September 11, 2025 • 16 mins
Indigenous leaders across the country have welcomed Victoria’s treaty.
The legislation will enshrine a democratically elected body for First Peoples, called Gellung Warl, that will be consulted on laws and policies affecting Indigenous communities.
Now there are calls for other states and territories to use the Victorian example as a model to establish their own treaties.
But there’s also pushback – with critics calling it costly and divisive in claims that echo The Voice debate – and with state and territory leaders across the country abandoning previous promises and commitments.
Today, writer and 7am co-host Daniel James on whether Victoria’s treaty marks a turning point or an anomaly.
This is part two of a two-part episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is part two of a two part episode. If
you haven't already, you can go back and listen to
Victoria's historic treaty that's in your feed now. Indigenous leaders
across the country have welcomed Victoria's first Treaty. The legislation
will enshrine a democratically elected body for First peoples called
(00:20):
Gillingwall that will be consulted on laws and policies affecting
Indigenous communities and now there are calls for other states
and territories to use the Victorian example as a model
to establish their own treaties. But there's also predictably pushback,
with critics calling it costly and divisive in claims that
echo the voice debate, and state and territory leaders across
(00:41):
the country are walking away from previous promises and commitments. Today,
writer and seven AM co host Daniel James, who was
also one of the authors of the europe Commission, reports
on whether Victoria's treaty marks a turning point or an anomaly.
Daniel Australia's first Treaty was introduced into parliament this week
(01:03):
in Victoria. How significant is this moment?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, it's the only time in the history of the
entire country that our treaty has been introduced into a
state or federal parliament. It has been in the back
of decades of work, but in a formal sense, in
terms of the actual process of getting this treaty to
this point, It's been at least six years. It has
(01:28):
survived two elections, it has gone through a pandemic, it
has gone through a very divisive referendum. But despite all that,
the First People Assembly, in its two iterations, have gotten
us to this point and it is a It was
a remarkable day for everyone that has either paid close
(01:49):
interest to this or been involved in it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It didn't take long though, for criticism to appear in
some media outlets.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
This treaty legislation is a slap in the face to
the majority Victorians who less than two years ago voted
no to Labour's Voice to Parliament, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
On Sky we heard people start to say that the
Victorian government is quote pandering to a minority and.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
As usual, Victoria is way out in front in another
example of pandering to a minority in favor of the majority.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Singling out in particular things like the changes to the
curriculum that will be introduced and changes to place names.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Have a look at this barry Yip Primary. Now you
say it apparently bar ray Yip. Now you've got Cuym
Primary in Pakenham. It's pronounced kuyim. You've got Mini.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Did you expect that kind of commentary?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, it's sadly predictable because it's pretty much or they've
really gotten their kit in terms of being able to
attack processes like this. They are ostensibly a bunch of
One Creek ponies.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
When it comes.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
To the idea of the first Nations people here being
a minority. Yes, we are a minority, but we are
a minority that we're here for fifty thousand years, and
when colonialism came here, we're a minority that had our
land stolen, our waterways desecrated. We were the result of
(03:16):
policies of eradication, both formal and informal. We were the
victims of massacres. We were the victims of disease and
alcohol that was brought here. The tremendous wealth that was
created in this place through things like the gold Rush.
Oboriginal people never saw, even though it was the plundering
of their land that resulted in that the billions of
(03:36):
dollars that have been generated through our waterways and land
and skies. We've never seen a cent of We were
deprived of our rights, and so yes, we are a minority,
but we also are the first peoples of this place,
and this treaty and the truth telling process you work
before it is a reckoning of that, and it shows
(03:59):
a state that is mature enough and bold enough to
be able to deal with these particular issues in a
mature and forensic but also incredibly nuanced way. And so
the response from sections of the media was entirely predictable,
trying to conflate it with things like the referendum, which
(04:19):
is a completely different thing. This is it, this is
what's happening, and if people want to conflate that with
the referendum result for political purposes, then we'll wave to
them as we go over the hill and down the road.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We even heard some voices saying that this treaty should
be put to a state referendum, much like the voice.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
What this shows is that the elites in this society
don't care what you think, they don't care how you vote.
They've got their own ideology and they are going to
implement it. Anyway, and we've not only seen it with them.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You don't hear those types of comments about legislation in
other areas of Australian politics. So why do you think
that indigenous policy draw that kind of reaction Because I.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Think that people conflate the referendum result with actual political
mileage and gain to be had at the expensive First
Nations people, it's only with black veils that were asked
to have referendums to put it to the vote. Well,
this thing has survived to state elections, which was a
key platform for the Andrews Labor government and did have
(05:23):
bipartisan support from the National and Liberal parties before they
chickened out of it and saw an opportunity after referendum
to try and gain some sort of political capital out
of it. But I think the last referendum we had
in Victoria was around daylight saving So that's the that's
the kind of referendums we have at the state level
here in Vitoria. What would we have a referendum on
(05:46):
this And anyone saying that the government is planning to
have a referendum to enshrine this in the constitution of
the state, it's just either mistaken or they are lying
for political gain or for clickbait.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And during the voice debate, the Prime Minister he avoided
talking about a national treaty. He said, this is something
that's happening at the state and territory level. Victoria is
now the first, but what are we seeing in regards
to other states and territories.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
In terms of the treaty process, Victoria is years and
years ahead of what's happening in other states and territories.
We've seen attacks on treaty processes and truth telling processes
across the country, probably most brutally in Queensland, on which
there was a truth telling process that was established but
was torn down I think on the second day of
(06:36):
the christ of Fudy government in Queensland being in power.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The Prime Minister was warned on multiple occasions in the
last six months that if he continued down this path,
this is what would occur, this is.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The kind of division that would occur.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, I'm not going to make the same mistake as
the Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The Albaniza government spanned a tremendous amount of political capital
in its first term. On the referendum, they haven't been
wanting to go near Aboriginal affairs in a truth telling
or treaty sense since then. But I do note that
the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Melandarry McCarthy has been in
Victoria this week and she is making more and more
(07:17):
solid sort of pronouncements around a national truth telling process,
which is encouraging because there is a void at the
national level. It's a case of Victoria going out on
its own and trying to improve out comfort for people here.
But what we've done by going through that process is
(07:39):
showing to the rest of the country that this can
be done, and it can be done in a way
that is inclusive and in a way that is looking
more to the future now than to the past. We
have through the truth telling process here reckoned with our past.
We are now got our eyes firmly set on the future.
And that is what treaty is about, and that is
(08:00):
something that can be replicated at the national level if
the government chooses to do.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So coming up. Could the years of work in getting
to this moment all be undone. You mentioned Queensland where
the treaty process was axed after there was a change
in government. So is there a risk that if in
(08:28):
Victoria if Labor loses office, that the treaty could be undone,
especially given that the Liberal Party in Victoria is against it.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, the difference here is that the Treaty Legislation Bill
has been introduced into the Parliament. It will be passed
with the Parliament. The Nationals and Liberals here make up
a very small minority in terms of oppositions when it
comes to the numbers within the Parliament here, so it
will pass with the support of Greens and other minority
(08:57):
groups and so then it will have over a year
to run before the next election, in which case it
has the opportunity to ensrine itself in some of the
systems here, to raise its own awareness through the community.
But over the next twelve months and a bit, it's
going to be really hard to put the toothpaste back
(09:18):
into the tube once this is out there. From my understanding,
the opposition here says they still oppose the process, but
they haven't made a commitment or made any noises about
whether they would tear it down if they got into government.
Reading the situation here, it would be something that would
be seen as incredibly pointless and reckless to do, given
(09:41):
that there's been such a process in place for such
a long time, and it's not a platform that you
want to run on here in Victoria. If you want
to run on a platform orf we're going to tear
down Treaty, It's not going to get you too many votes.
We've got far bigger issues in terms of the political
landscape here around crime and costally and things like that,
(10:02):
where there are far more votes to be mine as
an opposition than something like treaty.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And so once we see treaty in action, Daniel, how
do you think that the experience of First Nations people
in Victoria is going to change?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Probably the most meaningful change in terms of the broader
community will be through things like changes to the Victorian
school curriculum. We have a report now truths be told
through the Oral Justice Commission, which is now part of
the official public Record, which will be used as a
resource now to redevelop the curriculum to tell the true
(10:38):
history of this place. There's going to be an ongoing
truth telling process established, which means that we are able
to recognize patterns and speak truth to power on a
regular basis about what actually is happening here and how
the colonial project is still having detrimental impacts on First
(10:59):
Nations people. There will be the establishment of oversight institutions.
The treaty allows First Nations people for the first time
as equals with the Crown to negotiate, have input and
talk to laws and policies that will impact First Nations people.
(11:20):
So we're not retrofitting systems or policies or ideas. We
are there at the actual point that some of these
systems and policies are either reformed or created. There will
be renaming conventions across the state, and any sort of
public building or piece of land that is owned by
the state could be renamed after a process with First
(11:43):
Nations people to just get the flavor and language or
First Nations people back into this land after it's been
missing for so long, and there will be frameworks to
negotiate further treaties. I think the thing that people need
to realize is that the treaty itself is a leave, living,
breathing document. It's not something that is etched in stone.
Is a process that will continue to evolve as a
(12:07):
society and community evolves. So there's a whole truckload of
things ruby that will be part of this process. Over
the future generations. That will not only enrich the lives
of First Nations people, it will rich the lives of
the broader community. I think an important thing to also
note about the treaty too, is that there's no commercial
in confidence here. What you see in the treaty is
(12:30):
laid out for everyone to see. It is something that
has been negotiated between the First People's Assembly and the
Victorian government, and the treaty now is the document where
everyone could see that there are no hidden clauses, no
hidden agendas. People aren't coming after people's homes or real
estate or businesses. It is all laid out in black
(12:50):
and white there, I say in the treaty document itself.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And for people who have fought for decades to get
to this point, the weight of this moment must be heavy.
Do you think that there is a sense of pressure
now that this needs to deliver real change. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
If there's any concern about whether the First People, Suscemly
and Aboriginal people in Victoria will now rest on our
laurels that we now have this treaty process, I'm here
to ease your concerns around that. The weight of our
own history, the weight of the people who have fought
for things like this and that we've lost along the way.
(13:32):
The weight of their memory is something that will push
us forward far more than any sort of immediate political
dynamic in this state. I was actually surprised by how
much I was actually moved by this. It was something
that I intellectually was prepared for, something that I had
had a little bit of a role in bringing to
(13:54):
life in a very very very small way. But it
wasn't until a couple of hours after the whole thing
was introduced into the past that the gravity of what
has happened here kind of really hit me for the
first time. And what the treaty now does is recognize
that everyone that lives in this place that we call
Victoria now should have their own relationship with the land
(14:16):
and the customs here. Sure, our involvement Aboriginal people's relationship
with the land and its waterways and its skies is unique,
but there's now an opportunity now for every person that
is fortunate enough to live in this place to develop
their own relationship with the land and the waters at
the invitation of First Nations people. And if you want
(14:39):
to look at that in sort of practical ways. There
are whole communities in Victoria and particularly in Malbourne now
that from my point of view, I kind of see
that a court between between worlds that they don't belong
to one part of society. They are trying to find
their way towards acceptance and find a place of belonging
in this community. Well, without being too grandiose about it,
(15:04):
treaty is one pathway for people to find themselves in
this state and the place they live. That has been
looked after for when year by First Nations people, and
that can be done together with First Nations people.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, Daniel, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Thanks Raby.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Also in the news today, Victoria Police has changed its
position on people who may be helping missing suspected killer
Desmond Freeman, now saying those who come forward and admit
they helped him may not be charged with criminal offenses.
The fifty six year old has been on the run
for two weeks after allegedly shooting dead two police officers
in Poor Punker in Victoria. And American right wing influencer
(15:55):
and political ally of Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, has died
after being shot while speaking at a university campus in Utah.
Police say about three thousand people had gathered to hear
the thirty one year old speak, who was answering a
question about mass shootings at the time.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
That he was shocked.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Charlie Kirk was the founder of the influential conservative youth
organization Turning Point USA. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am.
Thanks for listening.
This is part two of a two part episode. If
you haven't already, you can go back and listen to
Victoria's historic treaty that's in your feed now. Indigenous leaders
across the country have welcomed Victoria's first Treaty. The legislation
will enshrine a democratically elected body for First peoples called
(00:20):
Gillingwall that will be consulted on laws and policies affecting
Indigenous communities and now there are calls for other states
and territories to use the Victorian example as a model
to establish their own treaties. But there's also predictably pushback,
with critics calling it costly and divisive in claims that
echo the voice debate, and state and territory leaders across
(00:41):
the country are walking away from previous promises and commitments. Today,
writer and seven AM co host Daniel James, who was
also one of the authors of the europe Commission, reports
on whether Victoria's treaty marks a turning point or an anomaly.
Daniel Australia's first Treaty was introduced into parliament this week
(01:03):
in Victoria. How significant is this moment?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, it's the only time in the history of the
entire country that our treaty has been introduced into a
state or federal parliament. It has been in the back
of decades of work, but in a formal sense, in
terms of the actual process of getting this treaty to
this point, It's been at least six years. It has
(01:28):
survived two elections, it has gone through a pandemic, it
has gone through a very divisive referendum. But despite all that,
the First People Assembly, in its two iterations, have gotten
us to this point and it is a It was
a remarkable day for everyone that has either paid close
(01:49):
interest to this or been involved in it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It didn't take long though, for criticism to appear in
some media outlets.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
This treaty legislation is a slap in the face to
the majority Victorians who less than two years ago voted
no to Labour's Voice to Parliament, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
On Sky we heard people start to say that the
Victorian government is quote pandering to a minority and.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
As usual, Victoria is way out in front in another
example of pandering to a minority in favor of the majority.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Singling out in particular things like the changes to the
curriculum that will be introduced and changes to place names.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Have a look at this barry Yip Primary. Now you
say it apparently bar ray Yip. Now you've got Cuym
Primary in Pakenham. It's pronounced kuyim. You've got Mini.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Did you expect that kind of commentary?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, it's sadly predictable because it's pretty much or they've
really gotten their kit in terms of being able to
attack processes like this. They are ostensibly a bunch of
One Creek ponies.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
When it comes.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
To the idea of the first Nations people here being
a minority. Yes, we are a minority, but we are
a minority that we're here for fifty thousand years, and
when colonialism came here, we're a minority that had our
land stolen, our waterways desecrated. We were the result of
(03:16):
policies of eradication, both formal and informal. We were the
victims of massacres. We were the victims of disease and
alcohol that was brought here. The tremendous wealth that was
created in this place through things like the gold Rush.
Oboriginal people never saw, even though it was the plundering
of their land that resulted in that the billions of
(03:36):
dollars that have been generated through our waterways and land
and skies. We've never seen a cent of We were
deprived of our rights, and so yes, we are a minority,
but we also are the first peoples of this place,
and this treaty and the truth telling process you work
before it is a reckoning of that, and it shows
(03:59):
a state that is mature enough and bold enough to
be able to deal with these particular issues in a
mature and forensic but also incredibly nuanced way. And so
the response from sections of the media was entirely predictable,
trying to conflate it with things like the referendum, which
(04:19):
is a completely different thing. This is it, this is
what's happening, and if people want to conflate that with
the referendum result for political purposes, then we'll wave to
them as we go over the hill and down the road.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We even heard some voices saying that this treaty should
be put to a state referendum, much like the voice.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
What this shows is that the elites in this society
don't care what you think, they don't care how you vote.
They've got their own ideology and they are going to
implement it. Anyway, and we've not only seen it with them.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You don't hear those types of comments about legislation in
other areas of Australian politics. So why do you think
that indigenous policy draw that kind of reaction Because I.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Think that people conflate the referendum result with actual political
mileage and gain to be had at the expensive First
Nations people, it's only with black veils that were asked
to have referendums to put it to the vote. Well,
this thing has survived to state elections, which was a
key platform for the Andrews Labor government and did have
(05:23):
bipartisan support from the National and Liberal parties before they
chickened out of it and saw an opportunity after referendum
to try and gain some sort of political capital out
of it. But I think the last referendum we had
in Victoria was around daylight saving So that's the that's
the kind of referendums we have at the state level
here in Vitoria. What would we have a referendum on
(05:46):
this And anyone saying that the government is planning to
have a referendum to enshrine this in the constitution of
the state, it's just either mistaken or they are lying
for political gain or for clickbait.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And during the voice debate, the Prime Minister he avoided
talking about a national treaty. He said, this is something
that's happening at the state and territory level. Victoria is
now the first, but what are we seeing in regards
to other states and territories.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
In terms of the treaty process, Victoria is years and
years ahead of what's happening in other states and territories.
We've seen attacks on treaty processes and truth telling processes
across the country, probably most brutally in Queensland, on which
there was a truth telling process that was established but
was torn down I think on the second day of
(06:36):
the christ of Fudy government in Queensland being in power.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The Prime Minister was warned on multiple occasions in the
last six months that if he continued down this path,
this is what would occur, this is.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The kind of division that would occur.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, I'm not going to make the same mistake as
the Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The Albaniza government spanned a tremendous amount of political capital
in its first term. On the referendum, they haven't been
wanting to go near Aboriginal affairs in a truth telling
or treaty sense since then. But I do note that
the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Melandarry McCarthy has been in
Victoria this week and she is making more and more
(07:17):
solid sort of pronouncements around a national truth telling process,
which is encouraging because there is a void at the
national level. It's a case of Victoria going out on
its own and trying to improve out comfort for people here.
But what we've done by going through that process is
(07:39):
showing to the rest of the country that this can
be done, and it can be done in a way
that is inclusive and in a way that is looking
more to the future now than to the past. We
have through the truth telling process here reckoned with our past.
We are now got our eyes firmly set on the future.
And that is what treaty is about, and that is
(08:00):
something that can be replicated at the national level if
the government chooses to do.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So coming up. Could the years of work in getting
to this moment all be undone. You mentioned Queensland where
the treaty process was axed after there was a change
in government. So is there a risk that if in
(08:28):
Victoria if Labor loses office, that the treaty could be undone,
especially given that the Liberal Party in Victoria is against it.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, the difference here is that the Treaty Legislation Bill
has been introduced into the Parliament. It will be passed
with the Parliament. The Nationals and Liberals here make up
a very small minority in terms of oppositions when it
comes to the numbers within the Parliament here, so it
will pass with the support of Greens and other minority
(08:57):
groups and so then it will have over a year
to run before the next election, in which case it
has the opportunity to ensrine itself in some of the
systems here, to raise its own awareness through the community.
But over the next twelve months and a bit, it's
going to be really hard to put the toothpaste back
(09:18):
into the tube once this is out there. From my understanding,
the opposition here says they still oppose the process, but
they haven't made a commitment or made any noises about
whether they would tear it down if they got into government.
Reading the situation here, it would be something that would
be seen as incredibly pointless and reckless to do, given
(09:41):
that there's been such a process in place for such
a long time, and it's not a platform that you
want to run on here in Victoria. If you want
to run on a platform orf we're going to tear
down Treaty, It's not going to get you too many votes.
We've got far bigger issues in terms of the political
landscape here around crime and costally and things like that,
(10:02):
where there are far more votes to be mine as
an opposition than something like treaty.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And so once we see treaty in action, Daniel, how
do you think that the experience of First Nations people
in Victoria is going to change?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Probably the most meaningful change in terms of the broader
community will be through things like changes to the Victorian
school curriculum. We have a report now truths be told
through the Oral Justice Commission, which is now part of
the official public Record, which will be used as a
resource now to redevelop the curriculum to tell the true
(10:38):
history of this place. There's going to be an ongoing
truth telling process established, which means that we are able
to recognize patterns and speak truth to power on a
regular basis about what actually is happening here and how
the colonial project is still having detrimental impacts on First
(10:59):
Nations people. There will be the establishment of oversight institutions.
The treaty allows First Nations people for the first time
as equals with the Crown to negotiate, have input and
talk to laws and policies that will impact First Nations people.
(11:20):
So we're not retrofitting systems or policies or ideas. We
are there at the actual point that some of these
systems and policies are either reformed or created. There will
be renaming conventions across the state, and any sort of
public building or piece of land that is owned by
the state could be renamed after a process with First
(11:43):
Nations people to just get the flavor and language or
First Nations people back into this land after it's been
missing for so long, and there will be frameworks to
negotiate further treaties. I think the thing that people need
to realize is that the treaty itself is a leave, living,
breathing document. It's not something that is etched in stone.
Is a process that will continue to evolve as a
(12:07):
society and community evolves. So there's a whole truckload of
things ruby that will be part of this process. Over
the future generations. That will not only enrich the lives
of First Nations people, it will rich the lives of
the broader community. I think an important thing to also
note about the treaty too, is that there's no commercial
in confidence here. What you see in the treaty is
(12:30):
laid out for everyone to see. It is something that
has been negotiated between the First People's Assembly and the
Victorian government, and the treaty now is the document where
everyone could see that there are no hidden clauses, no
hidden agendas. People aren't coming after people's homes or real
estate or businesses. It is all laid out in black
(12:50):
and white there, I say in the treaty document itself.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And for people who have fought for decades to get
to this point, the weight of this moment must be heavy.
Do you think that there is a sense of pressure
now that this needs to deliver real change. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
If there's any concern about whether the First People, Suscemly
and Aboriginal people in Victoria will now rest on our
laurels that we now have this treaty process, I'm here
to ease your concerns around that. The weight of our
own history, the weight of the people who have fought
for things like this and that we've lost along the way.
(13:32):
The weight of their memory is something that will push
us forward far more than any sort of immediate political
dynamic in this state. I was actually surprised by how
much I was actually moved by this. It was something
that I intellectually was prepared for, something that I had
had a little bit of a role in bringing to
(13:54):
life in a very very very small way. But it
wasn't until a couple of hours after the whole thing
was introduced into the past that the gravity of what
has happened here kind of really hit me for the
first time. And what the treaty now does is recognize
that everyone that lives in this place that we call
Victoria now should have their own relationship with the land
(14:16):
and the customs here. Sure, our involvement Aboriginal people's relationship
with the land and its waterways and its skies is unique,
but there's now an opportunity now for every person that
is fortunate enough to live in this place to develop
their own relationship with the land and the waters at
the invitation of First Nations people. And if you want
(14:39):
to look at that in sort of practical ways. There
are whole communities in Victoria and particularly in Malbourne now
that from my point of view, I kind of see
that a court between between worlds that they don't belong
to one part of society. They are trying to find
their way towards acceptance and find a place of belonging
in this community. Well, without being too grandiose about it,
(15:04):
treaty is one pathway for people to find themselves in
this state and the place they live. That has been
looked after for when year by First Nations people, and
that can be done together with First Nations people.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, Daniel, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Thanks Raby.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Also in the news today, Victoria Police has changed its
position on people who may be helping missing suspected killer
Desmond Freeman, now saying those who come forward and admit
they helped him may not be charged with criminal offenses.
The fifty six year old has been on the run
for two weeks after allegedly shooting dead two police officers
in Poor Punker in Victoria. And American right wing influencer
(15:55):
and political ally of Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, has died
after being shot while speaking at a university campus in Utah.
Police say about three thousand people had gathered to hear
the thirty one year old speak, who was answering a
question about mass shootings at the time.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
That he was shocked.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Charlie Kirk was the founder of the influential conservative youth
organization Turning Point USA. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am.
Thanks for listening.
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