November 21, 2025 • 15 mins
This week, we had Sussan Ley on 7am. But we weren’t alone. Sussan Ley was everywhere, speaking with everyone – about scrapping net zero, and inevitably, about her leadership.
So, did the media blitz work?
And what has chaos in the Coalition meant for the government while the press gallery has been looking the other way?
Today, Network Ten’s political editor Ashleigh Raper on the week in Canberra: Australia’s failed bid to host COP, the last ditch effort to pass new environment laws – and what 2026 would look like if Sussan Ley loses her job.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This week, we had Susan Lee on seven AM, but
we weren't alone. Susan Lee was everywhere speaking with everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, nobody was special. You weren't special. I wasn't special.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Actually Raper is the political editor at Channel ten. She
spoke to the leader of the opposition too, she did everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I've never quite seen a media blitz like it. Susan
Lee is the leader of the Opposition. She joins me. Now,
Susan Lee, welcome to Affective.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here in the studio with you, Susan Lee, thank you
for joining the Daily US.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's a pleasure. Susan Lee. Welcome to the show. Great
to be with you a few Good morning, he says,
nice to see you this morning. Everything okay, coom morning Karl.
You've got the lights on. It's fine.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Everything's fine here in Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm talking about my affordable energy plan everywhere I go,
and I'm asking the Prime Minister one simple question, Karl,
when our power price is going to come down?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So this was all about silly the plan.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Why they were ditching net zero, because they were trying
to balance, especially for the liberals here to say what
is this about? And they were obviously going down this
is all about affordable energy, which is a line that
will resonate with people. Our energy bills are high. But
the second part to it was this big question of
climate credibility for the Liberals and they say that their
(01:22):
plan will reduce emissions year on year, that's what they
want to do, but there are no targets.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That have abandoned targets. So there was that part, But
it was all about her.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Leadership, coming out as a strong leader, and this was
about shoring up her leadership as well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So did the media blitz work and what is the
chaos and the coalition meant for the government while the
press gallery has been looking the other way. I'm Daniel
James and you're listening to seven AM today Ashley Raper
on the Weekend Camera. Australia has failed to host cop
(02:01):
the last ditch effort the past new environment laws and
what twenty twenty six would look like if season Lee
loses her job. It's Saturday, November twenty two. Actually, let's
(02:21):
talk about Susan Lee's decision to get out on the
front foot. This week it was about net zero, but
it was also about her leadership. So what is she
dealing with right now? Inside the Liberal Party.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Look, you know, there was a very powerful image that
happened last week on the Wednesday ahead of that Liberal
Party room, and that image has been played over and
over again of the right faction coming together. There were
the three Liberal women at the front cincin number, Jibber Price,
Sarah Henderson, Jess Collins.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
There was Aus Taylor and Andrew.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Casety, you know, the two leadership aspirants, and that was
very very damaging to Susan Lee.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Then on Sunday, the day that the Coalition partyment was meeting.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And just how I just happened to do this lovely
sit down in the paper, this very soft piece. So
it was an interview, you know, when he tells everybody
that he loves The Devil Wears Prato. It's one of
his favorite movies. So this was all happening in the
background when you know, we know that the right is
agitating and they're happy they got their way on ditching
(03:26):
net zero.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But then you've also got the moderates here, and the
moderates we know within the Liberal Party are very very
upset about ditching net zero. So in terms of Susan.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Lee's leadership, you know, and this blitz. You know, I'm
not sure that it was that effective for her.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You've got to give it to us.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
She's gone out, she's absolutely given her a red, tackled
her head.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
On, but I'm not sure what she actually achieved here.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You mentioned the moderates are upset. Do they still have
Susan Lee's back?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
There weren't a lot of moderates out the week.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
A lot of moderates have regular spots in the media,
whether it's on Sky News or ABC on radio, and
they all pulled out. Mostly there were a few, but
Anne Rustin, who was really the Moderate leader now and
the Senate, she's a shadow Health minister.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
She did come.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Out on Monday and when there were rumors that maybe
the moderates had pulled their support from Susan Lee in
Andrew Hasey's favor, and she came out, So that's absolutely
not true.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
The Australian newspaper reported that some are rethinking their support
for Lee and want Andrew Hasty to run. Susan Lee's
office responded today with a statement issued on behalf of
two leading moderates that they continue to strongly support Susan's
leadership and that she will lead the party strongly to
the next election.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
At this stage, the moderates are still backing in Susan Lee,
but they are very hurt by this.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
What a more right wing replacement fair any better? Is
this about her? Or about where the country is at
right now, especially giving the support of one nation at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What we have been seeing with the Liberals federally, and
we're six months posts an election, there's always this soul
searching and trying to work out what they're doing. And
the right faction is very powerful in that room at
the moment because in the seats that have been lost
in those city seats, a lot of them were the
(05:26):
more moderate voices, so those voices aren't in the room.
So it's almost like in a way they're in this
echo chamber and speaking to the moderates over the past
few weeks as they've worked out this net zero position,
they were very concerned. But the right faction right now
is very powerful and they are you know, it must
(05:47):
be said that they are undermining Susan Lee's leadership with
what they're doing and what they're saying. You know, they're
not willing to be good soldiers and toe the line,
which makes it very difficult for Susan Lee. But you
look at what's happening, you know, with Victoria and even
in New South Wales. In Victoria they rolled Brad Baton.
(06:09):
I stand continuously proud in the role that I've done
and the things that I've done for the community.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And they have a moderate leader in Jess Wilson.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
While I was so honored to be elected unopposed by
my Liberal party room yesterday Mark Speakman, who was the
New South Wales Liberal leader and opposition later he also
stepped down, but effectively was chapped as well.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I've had a difficult set of cards handed to me.
I've done my best with those, but I think now's
the time to hand over the baton.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Now they've installed Kelly Sloan as the Liberal leader.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
She's also a moderate.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's an incredible honor, huge responsibility when I don't take lightly.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm ready to.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Work for New South Wales and I thank my colleagues
for the faith and the trust that they're placed in me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Today.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
The big states in New South Wales and Victoria where
the federal Liberals lost seats six months ago at the election,
they're not looking to the right.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Coming up Australia has failed with the host of Global
Climate Summit. Actually, the press gallery has been focused on
the will they won't they of the coalition's climate policy
for weeks on end and rightly so, so what does
(07:28):
that meant for the government?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, they mean good time, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And this has also been the problem, you know with
the Liberals and the Coalition not really having their act
together right now or fighting amongst themselves that they're not
being an effective opposition really and they haven't been for
the past six months, which isn't good for democracy. And
so look, the government has had a pretty easy ride.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
They're very much in a honeymoon period. But you know,
we've got the.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Final sitting week of Parliament coming up and there are
some tough pieces of legislation that the government does want
to get through. So it might not be as smooth
sailing this last week for the government as they may
have hoped.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
What are they looking to achieve in this final week, Well.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
They really want to get the environmental protection laws through.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Now this has such been an although exiger that actually
predated the Albanese government in twenty twenty two, trying to
land these laws that really balances approval for developments, whether
it be a mining or housing, balancing that with protecting
the environment. They couldn't get it done in the last
term when Tanya Plibsek was the Environment Minister. Murray Watt's
(08:42):
now being installed as the Environment Minister and he has
one job to get these lulls through.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
At the end of the day, what I want to
make sure of is that the package of reforms that
we do pass through the Parliament and I'm very confident
that we will do achieve that balance. If that requires
tweaks here or there that I'm obviously open to hearing
from people, but that's the overarching goal that we're seeking.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
They do want to rush them through by the end
of parliament, but he has to do a deal.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Obviously, the government doesn't have the numbers in the Senate,
so they have to look to the Coalition or the Greens.
Now Labor wants to go with the coalition. They feel
like that will be an easier path. It's a more
palatable path for business as well, and that's how the
government is selling that.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The Coalition has been in disarray, so they haven't been
great to negotiate with, and I think that's been problematic
with the government.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
This week though there has been movement.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The Levels have come out and said look, these are
our demands, this is what we want. We could land
a deal. The Greens would say, look, you should be
dealing with us, but they also want to extend it
and there's an inquiry that's pushed out to next year.
So look, a lot can happen in the last week
to get this deal done.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's unclear where that will actually happen, though.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
This week the Government finally conceded defeat the Turkey over
who will host the next cop summit. Why did the
government want the.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Job, Well, they wanted it for for a long time.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
They want it for a number of reasons, but it
was also a big with Pacific Nations and that was
a really key part of it because if you look
at strategically what the government is trying to do, and
you hear the government say this all the time, they
want Pacific Nations to turn to Australia as in their words,
their partner of choice rather than China, and that's about
(10:32):
influence and national security and military and through the Pacific
Islands climate change.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
They're at the front line. They're feeling the effect.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So it was a big with Pacific lines and that's
why Australia wanted it.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
They also wanted to.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Look like, you know, they were being proactive on climate change.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It would be big cree to get it also for
Adelaide as well.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
South Australian government really wanted it because of what it
does for the economy. Obviously would be cost to host
an event like that. So there's just been this standoff
now for such a long time and who was going
to blink first and Australia did. But they have got
a few things as a result in these negotiations, and
(11:15):
so Chris Bolan personally has had a bit of a win.
He still gets to be part of the negotiations and
he doesn't quite get the title, but he's basically like
the president. And also that there's the carve out that
there will be a special Pacific nation focus with a
leader's meeting.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
You mentioned the cost it was going to costs two
billion was one of the estimates that I saw. And
there's actually, you know, still a bit of speculation about
whether the cop is actually a good vehicle for addressing
climate action. Could you argue that the government maybe you've
also have dodged a bullet on this as well.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yes, and I think a lot of people will argue
about people withinside the.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Government and outside, and that's very much.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
What you've heard from the opposition that it's actually a
good thing. And I think people as well within the
government think, yeah, probably it's not a bad thing. We
look like we tried, we tried really hard, but then
we didn't actually have to pay. It's like you're offering
to do something and you're like, phew when you don't
when you don't actually have to do it. But and
(12:15):
this is something that the Greens are talking about. The
government has got a ways well, you know, without a
focus on what's happening with tossil fuels in Australia, those
sorts of things, so without it's a headache that they
now don't need to address by not hosting cop next year.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And actually we're coming to the end of the parliamentary year.
Twenty twenty five has also been an election year. There's
been a lot of things go down on federal politics.
How do you think the government will reflect on the
twenty twenty five that they've had and how do you
think they'll be feeling about twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Six, Well, you'd have to say it as a very
good year for the government. Look, they've just had this resounding,
amazing win in May and Anthony Otherneasy has always really
boasted about running just a discipline and methodical governments. But
it's also like, well, there's always questions around how bold
(13:07):
is this government, and I think those questions will start
coming out, you know when you look at.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But in terms of as well the Prime Minister, he's
done quite a bit of travel. He's had some problems,
you know in Pacific getting some deals through with Banawatu.
There's been success with Indonesia and Papua New Guinea. The
Donald Trump meeting in Washington has.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Gone really well.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So at the end of the year, I think obviously
the government will reflect that they've had a very good year.
And that's also been helped by the fact that the
opposition has been in such a mess. So it could
be different twenty twenty six. If the opposition does get
its act together seasonally, will probably last, you know, the
last living week. How long she lasts next year is
(13:55):
another big question. Very much changed the game. If somebody,
you say, Andrew Hasty becomes the leader of the opposition
and what then Anthony Albanezi will have to deal with
his Prime minister up against the opposition. So there are
a lot of unknowns next year. But twenty five they
have been able to sail through relatively unscathed.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
But there's always a honeymoon period.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
There's always a lot of goodwill to this government, but
it will dry up at some point.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, Ashley, goodwill to you and thank you for coming
on seven am.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Thank You.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
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(15:08):
great weekend.
This week, we had Susan Lee on seven AM, but
we weren't alone. Susan Lee was everywhere speaking with everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, nobody was special. You weren't special. I wasn't special.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Actually Raper is the political editor at Channel ten. She
spoke to the leader of the opposition too, she did everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I've never quite seen a media blitz like it. Susan
Lee is the leader of the Opposition. She joins me. Now,
Susan Lee, welcome to Affective.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here in the studio with you, Susan Lee, thank you
for joining the Daily US.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's a pleasure. Susan Lee. Welcome to the show. Great
to be with you a few Good morning, he says,
nice to see you this morning. Everything okay, coom morning Karl.
You've got the lights on. It's fine.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Everything's fine here in Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm talking about my affordable energy plan everywhere I go,
and I'm asking the Prime Minister one simple question, Karl,
when our power price is going to come down?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So this was all about silly the plan.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Why they were ditching net zero, because they were trying
to balance, especially for the liberals here to say what
is this about? And they were obviously going down this
is all about affordable energy, which is a line that
will resonate with people. Our energy bills are high. But
the second part to it was this big question of
climate credibility for the Liberals and they say that their
(01:22):
plan will reduce emissions year on year, that's what they
want to do, but there are no targets.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That have abandoned targets. So there was that part, But
it was all about her.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Leadership, coming out as a strong leader, and this was
about shoring up her leadership as well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So did the media blitz work and what is the
chaos and the coalition meant for the government while the
press gallery has been looking the other way. I'm Daniel
James and you're listening to seven AM today Ashley Raper
on the Weekend Camera. Australia has failed to host cop
(02:01):
the last ditch effort the past new environment laws and
what twenty twenty six would look like if season Lee
loses her job. It's Saturday, November twenty two. Actually, let's
(02:21):
talk about Susan Lee's decision to get out on the
front foot. This week it was about net zero, but
it was also about her leadership. So what is she
dealing with right now? Inside the Liberal Party.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Look, you know, there was a very powerful image that
happened last week on the Wednesday ahead of that Liberal
Party room, and that image has been played over and
over again of the right faction coming together. There were
the three Liberal women at the front cincin number, Jibber Price,
Sarah Henderson, Jess Collins.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
There was Aus Taylor and Andrew.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Casety, you know, the two leadership aspirants, and that was
very very damaging to Susan Lee.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Then on Sunday, the day that the Coalition partyment was meeting.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And just how I just happened to do this lovely
sit down in the paper, this very soft piece. So
it was an interview, you know, when he tells everybody
that he loves The Devil Wears Prato. It's one of
his favorite movies. So this was all happening in the
background when you know, we know that the right is
agitating and they're happy they got their way on ditching
(03:26):
net zero.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But then you've also got the moderates here, and the
moderates we know within the Liberal Party are very very
upset about ditching net zero. So in terms of Susan.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Lee's leadership, you know, and this blitz. You know, I'm
not sure that it was that effective for her.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You've got to give it to us.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
She's gone out, she's absolutely given her a red, tackled
her head.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
On, but I'm not sure what she actually achieved here.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You mentioned the moderates are upset. Do they still have
Susan Lee's back?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
There weren't a lot of moderates out the week.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
A lot of moderates have regular spots in the media,
whether it's on Sky News or ABC on radio, and
they all pulled out. Mostly there were a few, but
Anne Rustin, who was really the Moderate leader now and
the Senate, she's a shadow Health minister.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
She did come.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Out on Monday and when there were rumors that maybe
the moderates had pulled their support from Susan Lee in
Andrew Hasey's favor, and she came out, So that's absolutely
not true.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
The Australian newspaper reported that some are rethinking their support
for Lee and want Andrew Hasty to run. Susan Lee's
office responded today with a statement issued on behalf of
two leading moderates that they continue to strongly support Susan's
leadership and that she will lead the party strongly to
the next election.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
At this stage, the moderates are still backing in Susan Lee,
but they are very hurt by this.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
What a more right wing replacement fair any better? Is
this about her? Or about where the country is at
right now, especially giving the support of one nation at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What we have been seeing with the Liberals federally, and
we're six months posts an election, there's always this soul
searching and trying to work out what they're doing. And
the right faction is very powerful in that room at
the moment because in the seats that have been lost
in those city seats, a lot of them were the
(05:26):
more moderate voices, so those voices aren't in the room.
So it's almost like in a way they're in this
echo chamber and speaking to the moderates over the past
few weeks as they've worked out this net zero position,
they were very concerned. But the right faction right now
is very powerful and they are you know, it must
(05:47):
be said that they are undermining Susan Lee's leadership with
what they're doing and what they're saying. You know, they're
not willing to be good soldiers and toe the line,
which makes it very difficult for Susan Lee. But you
look at what's happening, you know, with Victoria and even
in New South Wales. In Victoria they rolled Brad Baton.
(06:09):
I stand continuously proud in the role that I've done
and the things that I've done for the community.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And they have a moderate leader in Jess Wilson.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
While I was so honored to be elected unopposed by
my Liberal party room yesterday Mark Speakman, who was the
New South Wales Liberal leader and opposition later he also
stepped down, but effectively was chapped as well.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I've had a difficult set of cards handed to me.
I've done my best with those, but I think now's
the time to hand over the baton.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Now they've installed Kelly Sloan as the Liberal leader.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
She's also a moderate.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's an incredible honor, huge responsibility when I don't take lightly.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm ready to.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Work for New South Wales and I thank my colleagues
for the faith and the trust that they're placed in me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Today.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
The big states in New South Wales and Victoria where
the federal Liberals lost seats six months ago at the election,
they're not looking to the right.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Coming up Australia has failed with the host of Global
Climate Summit. Actually, the press gallery has been focused on
the will they won't they of the coalition's climate policy
for weeks on end and rightly so, so what does
(07:28):
that meant for the government?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, they mean good time, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And this has also been the problem, you know with
the Liberals and the Coalition not really having their act
together right now or fighting amongst themselves that they're not
being an effective opposition really and they haven't been for
the past six months, which isn't good for democracy. And
so look, the government has had a pretty easy ride.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
They're very much in a honeymoon period. But you know,
we've got the.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Final sitting week of Parliament coming up and there are
some tough pieces of legislation that the government does want
to get through. So it might not be as smooth
sailing this last week for the government as they may
have hoped.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
What are they looking to achieve in this final week, Well.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
They really want to get the environmental protection laws through.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Now this has such been an although exiger that actually
predated the Albanese government in twenty twenty two, trying to
land these laws that really balances approval for developments, whether
it be a mining or housing, balancing that with protecting
the environment. They couldn't get it done in the last
term when Tanya Plibsek was the Environment Minister. Murray Watt's
(08:42):
now being installed as the Environment Minister and he has
one job to get these lulls through.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
At the end of the day, what I want to
make sure of is that the package of reforms that
we do pass through the Parliament and I'm very confident
that we will do achieve that balance. If that requires
tweaks here or there that I'm obviously open to hearing
from people, but that's the overarching goal that we're seeking.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
They do want to rush them through by the end
of parliament, but he has to do a deal.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Obviously, the government doesn't have the numbers in the Senate,
so they have to look to the Coalition or the Greens.
Now Labor wants to go with the coalition. They feel
like that will be an easier path. It's a more
palatable path for business as well, and that's how the
government is selling that.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The Coalition has been in disarray, so they haven't been
great to negotiate with, and I think that's been problematic
with the government.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
This week though there has been movement.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The Levels have come out and said look, these are
our demands, this is what we want. We could land
a deal. The Greens would say, look, you should be
dealing with us, but they also want to extend it
and there's an inquiry that's pushed out to next year.
So look, a lot can happen in the last week
to get this deal done.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's unclear where that will actually happen, though.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
This week the Government finally conceded defeat the Turkey over
who will host the next cop summit. Why did the
government want the.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Job, Well, they wanted it for for a long time.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
They want it for a number of reasons, but it
was also a big with Pacific Nations and that was
a really key part of it because if you look
at strategically what the government is trying to do, and
you hear the government say this all the time, they
want Pacific Nations to turn to Australia as in their words,
their partner of choice rather than China, and that's about
(10:32):
influence and national security and military and through the Pacific
Islands climate change.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
They're at the front line. They're feeling the effect.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So it was a big with Pacific lines and that's
why Australia wanted it.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
They also wanted to.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Look like, you know, they were being proactive on climate change.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It would be big cree to get it also for
Adelaide as well.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
South Australian government really wanted it because of what it
does for the economy. Obviously would be cost to host
an event like that. So there's just been this standoff
now for such a long time and who was going
to blink first and Australia did. But they have got
a few things as a result in these negotiations, and
(11:15):
so Chris Bolan personally has had a bit of a win.
He still gets to be part of the negotiations and
he doesn't quite get the title, but he's basically like
the president. And also that there's the carve out that
there will be a special Pacific nation focus with a
leader's meeting.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
You mentioned the cost it was going to costs two
billion was one of the estimates that I saw. And
there's actually, you know, still a bit of speculation about
whether the cop is actually a good vehicle for addressing
climate action. Could you argue that the government maybe you've
also have dodged a bullet on this as well.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yes, and I think a lot of people will argue
about people withinside the.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Government and outside, and that's very much.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
What you've heard from the opposition that it's actually a
good thing. And I think people as well within the
government think, yeah, probably it's not a bad thing. We
look like we tried, we tried really hard, but then
we didn't actually have to pay. It's like you're offering
to do something and you're like, phew when you don't
when you don't actually have to do it. But and
(12:15):
this is something that the Greens are talking about. The
government has got a ways well, you know, without a
focus on what's happening with tossil fuels in Australia, those
sorts of things, so without it's a headache that they
now don't need to address by not hosting cop next year.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And actually we're coming to the end of the parliamentary year.
Twenty twenty five has also been an election year. There's
been a lot of things go down on federal politics.
How do you think the government will reflect on the
twenty twenty five that they've had and how do you
think they'll be feeling about twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Six, Well, you'd have to say it as a very
good year for the government. Look, they've just had this resounding,
amazing win in May and Anthony Otherneasy has always really
boasted about running just a discipline and methodical governments. But
it's also like, well, there's always questions around how bold
(13:07):
is this government, and I think those questions will start
coming out, you know when you look at.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But in terms of as well the Prime Minister, he's
done quite a bit of travel. He's had some problems,
you know in Pacific getting some deals through with Banawatu.
There's been success with Indonesia and Papua New Guinea. The
Donald Trump meeting in Washington has.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Gone really well.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So at the end of the year, I think obviously
the government will reflect that they've had a very good year.
And that's also been helped by the fact that the
opposition has been in such a mess. So it could
be different twenty twenty six. If the opposition does get
its act together seasonally, will probably last, you know, the
last living week. How long she lasts next year is
(13:55):
another big question. Very much changed the game. If somebody,
you say, Andrew Hasty becomes the leader of the opposition
and what then Anthony Albanezi will have to deal with
his Prime minister up against the opposition. So there are
a lot of unknowns next year. But twenty five they
have been able to sail through relatively unscathed.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
But there's always a honeymoon period.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
There's always a lot of goodwill to this government, but
it will dry up at some point.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, Ashley, goodwill to you and thank you for coming
on seven am.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Thank You.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Seven Am is a daily show from Solstice Media. It's
made by Atticus Basto, Ariel Richards, Chris Dangate, Ruby Jones,
Sarah McFee, Flavis Evans, zom Vecho and me Daniel James.
Our theme music is by Ned Beckley and Josh Horgan
of Envelope Potier. As always, thanks for listening, have a
(15:08):
great weekend.
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