May 20, 2025 • 16 mins
Thousands of children from South Korea have been adopted by Australian families over decades.
In many cases, these children were raised to believe they were orphans – and their adoptive families believed they were doing something loving and selfless by giving them a home.
But a much more sinister truth has been laid bare: South Korea’s own Truth and Reconciliation Commission exposed how many of those adoptions were built on falsified orphan records, and traced trafficking and forged documents back to the agencies involved.
Today, associate editor for The Saturday Paper, Martin McKenzie-Murray, on the trafficking of fake orphans, and whether Australia is finally ready to confront its role in the trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM.
Thousands of children from South Korea have been adopted by
Australian families over decades. In many cases, these children were
raised to believe they were orphans, and their adopted families
believed they were doing something loving and selfless by giving
(00:23):
them a home. But a much more sinister truth has
been laid bare by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in
South Korea. Today. Associate editor for The Saturday Paper, Martin
Mackenzie Murray on the trafficking of fake orphans and whether
Australia is finally ready to confront its part in the trade.
(00:47):
It's Wednesday, May twenty one. Mary. I want to start
by asking about every union that happened in Seoul back
in twenty ten in that room.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I have to be a little careful about divulging the
details because it's a very personal and sensitive issue to
this person. This person's our young woman, and there were
South Korean adoptee from the now scandalized Eastern Social Welfare
Society was the name of the adoption agency, and like
many of these adoptees, this woman had grown up in
(01:22):
Australian suburbia with an entirely invented biography. Those inventions were several,
but probably the most profound one was that she grew
up believing that she was an orphan. And so the
reunion is very far from a fairy tale, because, for one,
the young woman was reuniting with a mother she thought
(01:43):
was dead, and the mother on her side, she had
no idea that her daughter had been adopted out to Australia.
She was denied that bit of information was lied to
about it. So you have this meeting which is filled
with extended family, and neither party has mutual language, so
it's broken haltingly by a translator, which is insufficient to
(02:07):
get across the various confusions, and this sudden kind of
disclosure and unpackaging of all these liars that they had
believed for so many years. And so then they went
in their separate ways, and in fact they have not
seen each other since. And it's not a story that
we would typically, I think, concentrate or emphasize upon in
the media when we talk about adoption reunions. We like
(02:30):
those stories of the research and the happy outcome.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So how did it come to be that her entire
background was fabricated as an adoptee.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So from a few years ago there was a petition
in South Korea to submit Eastern Social Welfare Society the
adoption agency to investigation. For decades, South Korea has been
the largest exporter of children via intercountry adoption that peaked
in the middle of the nineteen eighties, and the Eastern
(03:02):
Adoption Agency was the largest in South Korea. And stories
started coming out as people were encountering discrepancies in their
own stories. You know, their adoption documents might comprise two pages,
really scant stuff, and it turns out upon scrutiny, filled
with lies and fabrications. So there were these discrepancies that
(03:25):
the children now adults wanted to unravel and in doing
so unraveled really quite sickening, repugnant abuses by this adoption agency.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
South Korea's Truth and Reconciliation Commission has announced the preliminary
results of a year's long investigation into overseas adoption involving
an estimated one hundred and fifty thousand babies over decades.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
In twenty twenty two, South Korea's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
turned its attention to these adoption malpractices. It found that
in a lot of cases, adopted children were declared as
orphans when in fact they were simply the children of
mothers that had been coerced into relinquishing their child. It
(04:10):
had found that the agency had facilitated huge numbers of
adoptions with very little procedural oversight, and it found that
a lot of information of these children had been lost
either through negligence or lost cynically, or that the biographical
data of these adopted children had been entirely falsified or fabricated.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Can you tell me about the story of Samara Kim?
Another South Korean adoptee that you spoke to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, she was another adoptee of the Eastern Adoption Agency.
She's also an academic that specializes in intercountry adoption practices.
She's authored several papers on this and is currently a
PhD candidate in it. She grew up believing she was
an orphan. She possessed a scant biography, as contained in
her adoption documents, but beyond this, the little biography she
(05:01):
had was in itself fabricated. She wasn't an orphan, and
in trying to get answers she said, when she realized
that so much of what she knew of her past
and the conditions of her adoption were invented through gross
negligence or even criminality, she now suffers this existential crisis.
(05:23):
I think she described it as like a jigsaw puzzle
which was never complete anyway, but the few pieces she
had for it she suddenly lost.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And Samara's doing a PhD on international adoption, as you said,
so what does she have to say about what's driving this?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Several things were driving it, and sort of depends on
which decade we're looking at.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
South Korean adoption began with mixed race and other orphans
following the nineteen fifty to fifty three Korean War, in
part to Korean favor with allies, especially the US.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
South Korea isn't unique in this, but after the Korean
War there was a increase in biracial babies born of
US soldiers, for instance. There was a kind of a
cultural suspicion of such babies. It invited embarrassment upon families
because it was seen to be kind of diluting kinship,
diluting strong Korean bloodlines. And I felt like there was
(06:14):
an appropriate analogy with the Irish Magdalene laundries. So in
South Korea, similarly to Ireland, we experienced it here in
Australia as well, to a lesser extent, was unwed mothers
or single mothers being ostracized, being considered sinful or spiritually corrupt,
and embarrassed or shamed or coerced into relinquishing their children.
(06:38):
And those children that were taken from their mothers, these
children are now given often falsified documentation and entirely invented pasts.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
So the fundamental cause of such a variety of occurrences
is that the state has turned a blind eye to
the continuous occurrence of these illegal and unlawful acts over
the decades, has not implemented any mechanism to control them.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
As time moved on into country adoption simply became incredibly profitable.
I was hesitant last week speaking to all these adoptees
to use this kind of bloodless phrase of supply and demand.
But there are two sides of inter country adoption. There's
the sending country and the receiving country, and there have
to be kind of cultural and political conditions to receive
(07:24):
children from other cultures. So Samara's contention is that what
drove a lot of Western adoption in Australian adoption was
a sense of kind of cultural superiority, and she felt
it laundered explicitly or often implicitly, a certain form of colonialism.
(07:45):
And I think it's still true today that the word
adoption is sort of haloed by ideas of benevolence.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Advocates say human rights abuses also need to be addressed
by the countries to which Korean adoptees were sent.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So a sense of Western superiority and even kind of
saviorism played a part in a process that was in fact,
in some cases not adoption but really human trafficking.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
After the break, how the Australian governments promised to investigate
fall short.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Mari.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Australia has adopted a lot of children from South Korea,
which is currently confronting the fraud and abuse that has
been part of that industry there. But you mentioned that
this goes beyond South Carea, so tell us about some
of the other countries Australians have adopted from.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Plenty of countries. One woman I spoke to Kimber she
was part of what was called the Julie Chew Ring
now the Juli Chew ring astonished Taiwan. At the time
that it was revealed, which is in the early nineteen eighties,
Julie Cheu was she presented herself as a lawyer, which
was another sort of fraudulence of hers She was a
(09:06):
legal secretary. In nineteen eighty two, her home was raided
after the exposure of a what was essentially a criminal
syndicate dedicated to the trafficking of babies, but it involved
doctors and midwives and lawyers, each acting corruptly to procure babies,
and there are stories today still suggesting that babies were
(09:27):
outright kidnapped from crowded markets, taken from their prams in
other cases, corrupted doctors and midwives, coercing mothers into relinquishing
their children, not telling them where they were going, falsifying
birth certificates. Believed there was at least twenty six so
called Julie Chew babies sent to Australia in the early
(09:48):
nineteen eighties, most of them to South Australia, and Kimber
was one of this cohort. Julia Cheu was sentenced initially
to life sentence, it was reduced to about six year
years but it begs the question what cultural and bureaucratic
conditions existed in Australia that an outright, flagrantly kind of
wicked criminal syndicate could be mistaken for a legitimate adoption agency.
(10:15):
And that question, for the adoptees I was speaking to
this week, hasn't been adequately answered.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So has Australia begun to confront or reconcile with its
roll and all this is a player in the overseas
adoption industry.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So just prior to the federal election, the Albanese government
made a promise that it would begin an inquiry into
Australia's processing and reception of Korean South Korean adoptees should
it be a re elected But the problem here, according
to every adoptee that I spoke to, is that the
(10:51):
profundity of what happened and the profundity of australia negligence
to deal with outright criminal syndicates or countries that aren't signatories,
for instance, to the Hague Convention of nineteen ninety three
that helps govern into country adoption. The problem with undertaking
an inquiry like this by the Department itself is that
there's an obvious conflicted interest there. The other issue would
(11:14):
be that if it limited its attentions to South Korea,
you'd be losing a lot. I've just given it the
Julie Chew example for instance, but there are many others
from different countries.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So it's fair to say that adoptees are not confident
in terms of whether the inquiry is serious and related
to the outcomes that they desire.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh yes, definitely. Another adoptee I spoke to was Linnell Long,
who in the late nineties established the inter Country Adoptee
Voices Group. Her personal story was that she was brought
from Vietnam in nineteen seventy three, taken from a war
zone when she was five months old, and flown to
(11:54):
Melbourne straight into the care of abusive parents. Her adoption
was broken by the Lutheran chi and the Australian government
and she suffered many, many, many years of abuse. This
was ventilated in the Royal Commission in Institutionalized Child Sexual Abuse.
Her father was convicted for his abuse, and last year
(12:15):
she in fact received a letter from the Immigration Minister
which expressed sorrow and said that you accepted that there
was not a robust system in place when Linnell was adopted.
So Lenell's point is Well's first, It's very large one.
She believes that mostly into country adoption is unconscionable, and
that there are rarely conditions that would justify the removal
(12:37):
of a child from biological parents and their country of
origin and that culture. Linnell said for a long years
she described it as the adoption fog, And what she
meant by the adoption fog was her own internalization of
what she described as the myths of benevolence, so that
adoption was only ever a good thing and the adoptees
(13:00):
should only ever be infinitely grateful for it. And this
was internalized sort of so deeply. She says that any
deviation from a feeling of gratitude she could feel shame about. Now,
keep in mind that that kind of deep sense of
internalized gratitude extended to abusive parents, and so she said,
(13:23):
it took us some time to kind of liberate herself
from that sense of gratitude and to understand that adoption
in this case wasn't benevolent at all. One it facilitated
provision of a very vulnerable child into the hands of
abusive parents, and two, it spoke to a profound negligence
and bureaucratic failure on the behalf of the Australian government.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And finally, Marty, when you look at the regulation to
know so around adoption, has it gotten any better over time?
Do we know that?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
In some ways? Lenel Lung would would sort of passionately
say not. However, for instance, Australia is still dealing with
South Korea in adoptions. The only thing that's been removed
or shall I say, corrected in that sense, is that
we're not dealing with specifically the Eastern Adoption Agency Taiwan.
We still deal with nor A Taiwan signatories to this
(14:15):
ninety three Hague Convention. And I think, you know, you've
got political and potential legislative reform. But there's something else,
which I think is what I might call cultural reform,
which is that the way media contemplate these issues is
particularly narrow. I think we quite cynically pursue quote unquote
(14:37):
feel good stories to the exclusion of deeper and more
profound stories that are messier and more complicated but probably
truer to the experience. And something else that I was
discussing with Lenow is whether or not you know, in
all of these cases there is the persistence of the
word adoption to describe them when a more appropriate description
(14:58):
in most of these cases is human traffic. And I
wondered what would happen popularly or politically if sometime ago
we used the more appropriate description for it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Marty. Thank you for your reporting on this, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Thanks Matte.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Also in the news, the Nationals will not be forming
a coalition with the Liberal Party, ending a seventy nine
year partnership. Nationals leader David little Proud made the announcement
after discussions with the new Liberal leader Susan Lee over
the past week, citing nuclear energy as a major point
of disagreement for the two parties. And Foreign Minister Penny
(15:56):
Wong is visiting three Pacific island nations in our first
standalone own trip since the election. Senator Wong is visiting Vanawatu,
Tonga and Fiji, with a UN Climate Change Conference COP
thirty one near the top of her agenda. Australia is
hoping to co host the event next year, with Adelaide
proposed as the host city. I'm Daniel James seven am
(16:18):
will be back tomorrow
From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM.
Thousands of children from South Korea have been adopted by
Australian families over decades. In many cases, these children were
raised to believe they were orphans, and their adopted families
believed they were doing something loving and selfless by giving
(00:23):
them a home. But a much more sinister truth has
been laid bare by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in
South Korea. Today. Associate editor for The Saturday Paper, Martin
Mackenzie Murray on the trafficking of fake orphans and whether
Australia is finally ready to confront its part in the trade.
(00:47):
It's Wednesday, May twenty one. Mary. I want to start
by asking about every union that happened in Seoul back
in twenty ten in that room.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I have to be a little careful about divulging the
details because it's a very personal and sensitive issue to
this person. This person's our young woman, and there were
South Korean adoptee from the now scandalized Eastern Social Welfare
Society was the name of the adoption agency, and like
many of these adoptees, this woman had grown up in
(01:22):
Australian suburbia with an entirely invented biography. Those inventions were several,
but probably the most profound one was that she grew
up believing that she was an orphan. And so the
reunion is very far from a fairy tale, because, for one,
the young woman was reuniting with a mother she thought
(01:43):
was dead, and the mother on her side, she had
no idea that her daughter had been adopted out to Australia.
She was denied that bit of information was lied to
about it. So you have this meeting which is filled
with extended family, and neither party has mutual language, so
it's broken haltingly by a translator, which is insufficient to
(02:07):
get across the various confusions, and this sudden kind of
disclosure and unpackaging of all these liars that they had
believed for so many years. And so then they went
in their separate ways, and in fact they have not
seen each other since. And it's not a story that
we would typically, I think, concentrate or emphasize upon in
the media when we talk about adoption reunions. We like
(02:30):
those stories of the research and the happy outcome.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So how did it come to be that her entire
background was fabricated as an adoptee.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So from a few years ago there was a petition
in South Korea to submit Eastern Social Welfare Society the
adoption agency to investigation. For decades, South Korea has been
the largest exporter of children via intercountry adoption that peaked
in the middle of the nineteen eighties, and the Eastern
(03:02):
Adoption Agency was the largest in South Korea. And stories
started coming out as people were encountering discrepancies in their
own stories. You know, their adoption documents might comprise two pages,
really scant stuff, and it turns out upon scrutiny, filled
with lies and fabrications. So there were these discrepancies that
(03:25):
the children now adults wanted to unravel and in doing
so unraveled really quite sickening, repugnant abuses by this adoption agency.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
South Korea's Truth and Reconciliation Commission has announced the preliminary
results of a year's long investigation into overseas adoption involving
an estimated one hundred and fifty thousand babies over decades.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
In twenty twenty two, South Korea's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
turned its attention to these adoption malpractices. It found that
in a lot of cases, adopted children were declared as
orphans when in fact they were simply the children of
mothers that had been coerced into relinquishing their child. It
(04:10):
had found that the agency had facilitated huge numbers of
adoptions with very little procedural oversight, and it found that
a lot of information of these children had been lost
either through negligence or lost cynically, or that the biographical
data of these adopted children had been entirely falsified or fabricated.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Can you tell me about the story of Samara Kim?
Another South Korean adoptee that you spoke to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, she was another adoptee of the Eastern Adoption Agency.
She's also an academic that specializes in intercountry adoption practices.
She's authored several papers on this and is currently a
PhD candidate in it. She grew up believing she was
an orphan. She possessed a scant biography, as contained in
her adoption documents, but beyond this, the little biography she
(05:01):
had was in itself fabricated. She wasn't an orphan, and
in trying to get answers she said, when she realized
that so much of what she knew of her past
and the conditions of her adoption were invented through gross
negligence or even criminality, she now suffers this existential crisis.
(05:23):
I think she described it as like a jigsaw puzzle
which was never complete anyway, but the few pieces she
had for it she suddenly lost.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And Samara's doing a PhD on international adoption, as you said,
so what does she have to say about what's driving this?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Several things were driving it, and sort of depends on
which decade we're looking at.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
South Korean adoption began with mixed race and other orphans
following the nineteen fifty to fifty three Korean War, in
part to Korean favor with allies, especially the US.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
South Korea isn't unique in this, but after the Korean
War there was a increase in biracial babies born of
US soldiers, for instance. There was a kind of a
cultural suspicion of such babies. It invited embarrassment upon families
because it was seen to be kind of diluting kinship,
diluting strong Korean bloodlines. And I felt like there was
(06:14):
an appropriate analogy with the Irish Magdalene laundries. So in
South Korea, similarly to Ireland, we experienced it here in
Australia as well, to a lesser extent, was unwed mothers
or single mothers being ostracized, being considered sinful or spiritually corrupt,
and embarrassed or shamed or coerced into relinquishing their children.
(06:38):
And those children that were taken from their mothers, these
children are now given often falsified documentation and entirely invented pasts.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
So the fundamental cause of such a variety of occurrences
is that the state has turned a blind eye to
the continuous occurrence of these illegal and unlawful acts over
the decades, has not implemented any mechanism to control them.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
As time moved on into country adoption simply became incredibly profitable.
I was hesitant last week speaking to all these adoptees
to use this kind of bloodless phrase of supply and demand.
But there are two sides of inter country adoption. There's
the sending country and the receiving country, and there have
to be kind of cultural and political conditions to receive
(07:24):
children from other cultures. So Samara's contention is that what
drove a lot of Western adoption in Australian adoption was
a sense of kind of cultural superiority, and she felt
it laundered explicitly or often implicitly, a certain form of colonialism.
(07:45):
And I think it's still true today that the word
adoption is sort of haloed by ideas of benevolence.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Advocates say human rights abuses also need to be addressed
by the countries to which Korean adoptees were sent.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So a sense of Western superiority and even kind of
saviorism played a part in a process that was in fact,
in some cases not adoption but really human trafficking.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
After the break, how the Australian governments promised to investigate
fall short.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Mari.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Australia has adopted a lot of children from South Korea,
which is currently confronting the fraud and abuse that has
been part of that industry there. But you mentioned that
this goes beyond South Carea, so tell us about some
of the other countries Australians have adopted from.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Plenty of countries. One woman I spoke to Kimber she
was part of what was called the Julie Chew Ring
now the Juli Chew ring astonished Taiwan. At the time
that it was revealed, which is in the early nineteen eighties,
Julie Cheu was she presented herself as a lawyer, which
was another sort of fraudulence of hers She was a
(09:06):
legal secretary. In nineteen eighty two, her home was raided
after the exposure of a what was essentially a criminal
syndicate dedicated to the trafficking of babies, but it involved
doctors and midwives and lawyers, each acting corruptly to procure babies,
and there are stories today still suggesting that babies were
(09:27):
outright kidnapped from crowded markets, taken from their prams in
other cases, corrupted doctors and midwives, coercing mothers into relinquishing
their children, not telling them where they were going, falsifying
birth certificates. Believed there was at least twenty six so
called Julie Chew babies sent to Australia in the early
(09:48):
nineteen eighties, most of them to South Australia, and Kimber
was one of this cohort. Julia Cheu was sentenced initially
to life sentence, it was reduced to about six year
years but it begs the question what cultural and bureaucratic
conditions existed in Australia that an outright, flagrantly kind of
wicked criminal syndicate could be mistaken for a legitimate adoption agency.
(10:15):
And that question, for the adoptees I was speaking to
this week, hasn't been adequately answered.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So has Australia begun to confront or reconcile with its
roll and all this is a player in the overseas
adoption industry.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So just prior to the federal election, the Albanese government
made a promise that it would begin an inquiry into
Australia's processing and reception of Korean South Korean adoptees should
it be a re elected But the problem here, according
to every adoptee that I spoke to, is that the
(10:51):
profundity of what happened and the profundity of australia negligence
to deal with outright criminal syndicates or countries that aren't signatories,
for instance, to the Hague Convention of nineteen ninety three
that helps govern into country adoption. The problem with undertaking
an inquiry like this by the Department itself is that
there's an obvious conflicted interest there. The other issue would
(11:14):
be that if it limited its attentions to South Korea,
you'd be losing a lot. I've just given it the
Julie Chew example for instance, but there are many others
from different countries.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So it's fair to say that adoptees are not confident
in terms of whether the inquiry is serious and related
to the outcomes that they desire.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh yes, definitely. Another adoptee I spoke to was Linnell Long,
who in the late nineties established the inter Country Adoptee
Voices Group. Her personal story was that she was brought
from Vietnam in nineteen seventy three, taken from a war
zone when she was five months old, and flown to
(11:54):
Melbourne straight into the care of abusive parents. Her adoption
was broken by the Lutheran chi and the Australian government
and she suffered many, many, many years of abuse. This
was ventilated in the Royal Commission in Institutionalized Child Sexual Abuse.
Her father was convicted for his abuse, and last year
(12:15):
she in fact received a letter from the Immigration Minister
which expressed sorrow and said that you accepted that there
was not a robust system in place when Linnell was adopted.
So Lenell's point is Well's first, It's very large one.
She believes that mostly into country adoption is unconscionable, and
that there are rarely conditions that would justify the removal
(12:37):
of a child from biological parents and their country of
origin and that culture. Linnell said for a long years
she described it as the adoption fog, And what she
meant by the adoption fog was her own internalization of
what she described as the myths of benevolence, so that
adoption was only ever a good thing and the adoptees
(13:00):
should only ever be infinitely grateful for it. And this
was internalized sort of so deeply. She says that any
deviation from a feeling of gratitude she could feel shame about. Now,
keep in mind that that kind of deep sense of
internalized gratitude extended to abusive parents, and so she said,
(13:23):
it took us some time to kind of liberate herself
from that sense of gratitude and to understand that adoption
in this case wasn't benevolent at all. One it facilitated
provision of a very vulnerable child into the hands of
abusive parents, and two, it spoke to a profound negligence
and bureaucratic failure on the behalf of the Australian government.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And finally, Marty, when you look at the regulation to
know so around adoption, has it gotten any better over time?
Do we know that?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
In some ways? Lenel Lung would would sort of passionately
say not. However, for instance, Australia is still dealing with
South Korea in adoptions. The only thing that's been removed
or shall I say, corrected in that sense, is that
we're not dealing with specifically the Eastern Adoption Agency Taiwan.
We still deal with nor A Taiwan signatories to this
(14:15):
ninety three Hague Convention. And I think, you know, you've
got political and potential legislative reform. But there's something else,
which I think is what I might call cultural reform,
which is that the way media contemplate these issues is
particularly narrow. I think we quite cynically pursue quote unquote
(14:37):
feel good stories to the exclusion of deeper and more
profound stories that are messier and more complicated but probably
truer to the experience. And something else that I was
discussing with Lenow is whether or not you know, in
all of these cases there is the persistence of the
word adoption to describe them when a more appropriate description
(14:58):
in most of these cases is human traffic. And I
wondered what would happen popularly or politically if sometime ago
we used the more appropriate description for it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Marty. Thank you for your reporting on this, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Thanks Matte.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Also in the news, the Nationals will not be forming
a coalition with the Liberal Party, ending a seventy nine
year partnership. Nationals leader David little Proud made the announcement
after discussions with the new Liberal leader Susan Lee over
the past week, citing nuclear energy as a major point
of disagreement for the two parties. And Foreign Minister Penny
(15:56):
Wong is visiting three Pacific island nations in our first
standalone own trip since the election. Senator Wong is visiting Vanawatu,
Tonga and Fiji, with a UN Climate Change Conference COP
thirty one near the top of her agenda. Australia is
hoping to co host the event next year, with Adelaide
proposed as the host city. I'm Daniel James seven am
(16:18):
will be back tomorrow
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.