April 18, 2025 • 15 mins
At one point during this term of government, Indigenous affairs dominated national debate. Politicians, pundits and the public couldn't stop talking about it.
But since the Voice referendum failed, it’s become something of a taboo. Labor is eager to move on, while the Coalition is more focused on scoring points than offering a plan.
Now, with the election weeks away, there are glimpses of what might come next. Labor says it’s about delivering jobs. The Coalition says it’s about cutting waste.
Today, contributor for The Saturday Paper, Ben Abbatangelo, on what the major parties are really offering – and what it all means for First Nations people around the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM.
At one point during this term of government, Indigenous affairs
dominated national debate. Politicians, pundits in the public couldn't stop
talking about it. But after the Voice referendum failed, it
(00:21):
became something of a taboo. Labor is keen to move
on and the Coalition is focused on scoring points, not
offering a plan. Now, with the election weeks away, there
are glimpses of what might come next. Labour says it's
all about delivering jobs. The Coalition says it's all about
cutting waste. Today contributor for the Saturday Paper, Ben Abbotangelo
(00:45):
or what the major parties are really offering and what
it all means for First Nations people around the country.
It's Saturday, April nineteen been. Indigenous affairs has more or
(01:05):
less formed by the way side since the referendum. What
since do you get from both sides as to how
they rate it as a priority at this election?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, I mean to answer this, I just go straight
to their election platform.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So if we think back to the.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Prior election, you know, Labor was really forthright with their
policy platform, specifically for Indigenous affairs. It started with their
commitment to implement the Ullerra Statement from the Heart in full.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners that the land
on which we meet, I pay my respect to their elders, past,
present and emerging, and on behalf of the Australian Labor Party,
I commit to the Ularus Statement from the Heart and.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hole work towards closing the gap. Abolish the punitive community
development program, improve housing, invest in First Nations management of
land and waters, strengthen First Nations economic and job opportunities,
and get rid of the private tires, cash list, debit
cub So their platform ahead of the last election was
really forthright, really transparent, and if you don't go into
(02:09):
the detail of it, a neutral observer would look at
it as pretty aspirational. Now ahead of this election, if
you go to Labour's platform, Indigenous affairs, Aboriginal people, just
anything to do with that portfolio is completely missing. There
is nothing on the flip side of that.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
The coalition's approach to Indigenous affairs is much like yesteryear.
It is consistent with I suppose how they approached the referendum,
and that is from my vantage point or analysis, is
to punish our Aboriginal people.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
We have serious allegations of both corrupt and criminal behavior.
Yes they are denied, but we need to ensure that
this is taxpayers money that is being spent appropriately.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And if you look at the coalition's plan, it is
you know, under taking a full audit of government programs
and expenditure into indigenous affairs.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And isn't it refreshing though as well to have Peter
Dutton as the alternative Prime Minister of this country and
Senator justinternam for jimber Price as the alternative Minister for
Indigenous Australians for the first time standing up and saying
if we get elected to government Andrew, we will demand accountability.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's launching a Royal Commission into sexual abuse in Indigenous communities,
which is again not to actually tackle the challenges that
many of our communities face, but it is to demonize them.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yes, that individualist type language that was applied to Aboriginal
communities in the leader to the intervention itself, and it
seems that since the referendums failure, that that rhetoric has
come back for political gain. We spoke to the Minister
for Indigenous Australians Melanderi McCarthy after the terrible result for
(03:56):
the Closing the Gap report that came out earlier this year,
she talked about Labour's new mantra, which is jobs, Jobs, Jobs.
You've been looking into what that actually means. So what
did you find, Ben?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, well, you know, Labour's commitment to abolishing the CDP
has been years in the making. That's the Community Development Program,
which was introduced by the Coalition in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Donovan is one of about fifteen thousand people nationwide forced
into the Community Development Program. Participants lose payments if they
don't attend for twenty five hours each week.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What it meant under the scheme was that remote Indigenous
people were offered a really simple choice. It is find
a job in places where they're often were none or
in definitely do work for the doll five hours a day,
five days a week, forty six weeks a year, year
after year, with the majority of that income then being managed.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Through the cash List debit card.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And they were to work for an hourly rate of
eleven dollars twenty which was well below that minimum wage
of eighteen dollars twenty nine, so it is punitive. It
is racist, it is akin to modern slavery, and it
has been the subject of multiple class actions and every
report that has been commissioned has indicated that it has
(05:19):
just created misery within the communities that it is purportedly
designed to lift up. So I suppose to round this
little piece out. Daniel on the history of the scheme
is that when participants withdrew their labor, their income support
was withdrawn under the mantra of the time of no work,
no pay. So if people in the desert had to
(05:41):
drive four hundred kilometers to the nearest major city or
center for a hospital appointment, for a doctor's appointment, for
sorry business, and they didn't attend the standing around that
was forced upon them because there was nothing really to
do in these regions, their welfare would be docked and
the cascading effects on the families magnified.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
At least three hundred thousand penalties have been imposed in
two years, including for people away at medical appointments or funeral.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
In twenty seventeen, Labor First committed to abolish the CDP.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
When they're in opposition.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
The Community Development program put in place by the current
government in remote communities is discriminatory punitive and ineffectual and
a shortened Labor government will abolish the current CDP and
replace it with a new program.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That commitment firmed head of the last election campaign, and
in the wake of the defeated referendum, it was the
first major policy announcement that they introduced.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
As well as more remote housing, we're creating the new
Remote Jobs and Economic Development Program with three thousand new
jobs in remote Australia to build new skills and new
confidence within communities.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But what this Australian National Audit Office report has found
is that Labour's seven hundred and seven million dollar new
program Remote Jobs and Economic Development is basically comprising of
many of the same failures of yesteryear's. It is very
much aligned, at least from my perspective, Daniel, with a
lot of the neoliberal policy making that has dominated indigenous
(07:25):
affairs in yesteryear.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So tell me about that ben Labor replaced the CDP
with their own jobs program and now this audit report
has come out which assesses how effective their scheme is.
What did it say.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It spoke about the fact that when the program was
announced by Anthony Albanesi in February twenty twenty four that
the advice to the government to support that announcement was
just not clearly informed by evidence. Labour had promised to
develop a new program in partnership with First Nations people,
(07:57):
and on top of that, had spent the first two
years its term talking about the need to listen to
Aboriginal people in order to get better outcomes. But the
a ANDAO report found that the National Indigenous Australians Agency
hadn't actually established a governance structure to ensure that Indigenous
people were included in decision making until a month before
(08:20):
the Prime Minister announced the new program. So it's a
pretty scathing assessment. And if we were to think about
I suppose the expenditure items within the Indigenous Affairs portfolio,
this would have to be up there on the podium
as one of the most significant investments.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
The a and AO report, when you take it in full, speaks.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
To how this is another program that has largely been
conceived by bureaucrats top down and then hastily rushed together
and once again superimposed on these communities that I suppose
it really looking to bounce back from a couple of
decades of policies that have dispossessed, displaced and dehumanized.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
These communities.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Coming up after the break the Coalition's plans in Indigenous.
Speaker 9 (09:15):
Affairs Hi Ruby Jones. Here seven Am tells stories that
need to be told. Our journalism is founded on trust
and independence, and now we're increasing our coverage. Every Saturday
until the election will bring you an extra episode to
(09:36):
break down the biggest political moments of the week. If
you enjoy seven Am, the best way you can support
us is by making a contribution at seven am podcast
dot com dot are you forward slash support. Thanks for
listening and supporting our work.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Been The Coalition chalked up at Big Win with the
failure of the voice referredom. So what have we seen
since then? In terms of their vision for improving lives
of Aboriginal people.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
The headline from the Coalition is practical solutions. You know,
we want to ensure that we are pursuing practical solutions
to improve the lives of Indigenous people.
Speaker 10 (10:12):
My goal is the halt the pointless virtue signaling and
focus on the solutions that bring real change that changes
the lives of Australia's most vulnerable citizens, Solutions that give
them real lives.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I tried to probe Senator price On, I suppose you
know the coalitions what they mean when they talk about
practical solutions when it comes to Indigenous affairs, but she
never responded to those questions. She was clear that in
the sense that she believes, you know, Labour's new remote
jobs and Economic Development program is akin to a broken
(10:48):
election promise and that it's been hastily put together and
that there's still many missing pieces. She also said that
they're committed to encouraging economic independence for Indigenous Australians through
the private sector and ensuring that a mutual obligations program
does exist.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So these are basically announcements. Have they actually put any
policies out to back up some of these announcements to
create jobs for First Nations people to private sector, private enterprise,
What does that actually mean in a policy sense? Do
we have any idea what the meat is on the
bone here?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
There's no meat on the bone as far as I
can say, And this is what I've tried to probe.
All of the researchers found that mutual obligations and the
scheme that it sounds like the Coalition wants to revert
back to US costs five times as much per participant
as the mainstream Job Active program and twice as much
as the scheme it replaced, and as importantly that those
(11:42):
under mutual obligations also take longer to find work. So
it very much contradicts the narrative of efficiency that the
Coalition is running with and importantly also undermines their purported
commitment to practical solutions in alivation indigenous peoples, particularly in
remote and rural areas.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And I'll be.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Interested to get your perspective on this as well, Daniel,
but I think one key point is worth noting is
that there's a strategy behind I suppose putting Senator nappinginpro
Price as the de facto head of the government's magaspin
off of DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, and that
is to just position Indigenous affairs as a proxy, as
(12:25):
a battleground that they can wedge labor to. And the
expectation is that Senator Price will hold up Indigenous peoples
as a punching bag, and the Coalition party and it's
people who are out on the front line selling their message,
are able to just lay some cheap shots when it's
politically expedient and when they think, you know, it can
(12:47):
rally the base and be a motivated for their cause.
So that's kind of my lens on it, But I
know that you cover this heaps as well, Daniel. What's
your kind of take on the coalition stance for Indigenous affairs.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, the strategy just down line proved to be very
effective for them, and it was the strategy they used
using Aboriginal people basically as a punching bag pointing to
waste in programs and in remote communities. When you look
across the entirety of government and society, the waste that
happens in Aboriginal communities is minuscule as a comparison. But
(13:19):
I think you're right the Coalition opposition is trying to
wedge labor out because of their success during the referendum,
But so far, my reading opposite, they haven't really been
able to lay any punches yet. Given the multitude of
issues facing Indigenous Australia, things like incarceration rates, life expectancies,
(13:41):
suicide rates, ostensibly the failure of the closure and the
gape of gender, what sense do you have of whether
either side really has a plan to address this devastating reality.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I don't know if there is, if there's ever been
a plan.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I feel as though that when you interrogate the detail
of what has been proposed, you know, throughout the last
couple of decades, nothing that I've seen that has been
put forward I can see being significant in the schemes
of closing the gap or you know, emancipating Indigenous peoples
from you know, the chronic illness and disease, the hopelessness
(14:20):
that you know exists.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
In many of our communities.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It just feels like a kumbaya when the statistics continue
to show that mainstream communities continue to break away from
ours that you know, are very much stuck in the
recesses of a really violent past.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Ben, It's always very nourishing to talk with you. Thanks
for coming on seven Am again.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Thanks Daniel, always a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Seven Am was a daily show from Sports Media and
The Saturday Paper. It's made by Attigus Bastow, Shane Anderson,
Christine Gate, Eric Jensen, Ruby Jones, Sarah mcveee, Travis Evans,
zom Vecchio and me Daniel James. Our theme music is
by Ned Beckley and Josh Hogan of Envelope Portio. Thanks
(15:19):
for listening to seven AM. We'll see you Monday.
From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM.
At one point during this term of government, Indigenous affairs
dominated national debate. Politicians, pundits in the public couldn't stop
talking about it. But after the Voice referendum failed, it
(00:21):
became something of a taboo. Labor is keen to move
on and the Coalition is focused on scoring points, not
offering a plan. Now, with the election weeks away, there
are glimpses of what might come next. Labour says it's
all about delivering jobs. The Coalition says it's all about
cutting waste. Today contributor for the Saturday Paper, Ben Abbotangelo
(00:45):
or what the major parties are really offering and what
it all means for First Nations people around the country.
It's Saturday, April nineteen been. Indigenous affairs has more or
(01:05):
less formed by the way side since the referendum. What
since do you get from both sides as to how
they rate it as a priority at this election?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, I mean to answer this, I just go straight
to their election platform.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So if we think back to the.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Prior election, you know, Labor was really forthright with their
policy platform, specifically for Indigenous affairs. It started with their
commitment to implement the Ullerra Statement from the Heart in full.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners that the land
on which we meet, I pay my respect to their elders, past,
present and emerging, and on behalf of the Australian Labor Party,
I commit to the Ularus Statement from the Heart and.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hole work towards closing the gap. Abolish the punitive community
development program, improve housing, invest in First Nations management of
land and waters, strengthen First Nations economic and job opportunities,
and get rid of the private tires, cash list, debit
cub So their platform ahead of the last election was
really forthright, really transparent, and if you don't go into
(02:09):
the detail of it, a neutral observer would look at
it as pretty aspirational. Now ahead of this election, if
you go to Labour's platform, Indigenous affairs, Aboriginal people, just
anything to do with that portfolio is completely missing. There
is nothing on the flip side of that.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
The coalition's approach to Indigenous affairs is much like yesteryear.
It is consistent with I suppose how they approached the referendum,
and that is from my vantage point or analysis, is
to punish our Aboriginal people.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
We have serious allegations of both corrupt and criminal behavior.
Yes they are denied, but we need to ensure that
this is taxpayers money that is being spent appropriately.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And if you look at the coalition's plan, it is
you know, under taking a full audit of government programs
and expenditure into indigenous affairs.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And isn't it refreshing though as well to have Peter
Dutton as the alternative Prime Minister of this country and
Senator justinternam for jimber Price as the alternative Minister for
Indigenous Australians for the first time standing up and saying
if we get elected to government Andrew, we will demand accountability.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's launching a Royal Commission into sexual abuse in Indigenous communities,
which is again not to actually tackle the challenges that
many of our communities face, but it is to demonize them.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yes, that individualist type language that was applied to Aboriginal
communities in the leader to the intervention itself, and it
seems that since the referendums failure, that that rhetoric has
come back for political gain. We spoke to the Minister
for Indigenous Australians Melanderi McCarthy after the terrible result for
(03:56):
the Closing the Gap report that came out earlier this year,
she talked about Labour's new mantra, which is jobs, Jobs, Jobs.
You've been looking into what that actually means. So what
did you find, Ben?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, well, you know, Labour's commitment to abolishing the CDP
has been years in the making. That's the Community Development Program,
which was introduced by the Coalition in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Donovan is one of about fifteen thousand people nationwide forced
into the Community Development Program. Participants lose payments if they
don't attend for twenty five hours each week.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What it meant under the scheme was that remote Indigenous
people were offered a really simple choice. It is find
a job in places where they're often were none or
in definitely do work for the doll five hours a day,
five days a week, forty six weeks a year, year
after year, with the majority of that income then being managed.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Through the cash List debit card.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And they were to work for an hourly rate of
eleven dollars twenty which was well below that minimum wage
of eighteen dollars twenty nine, so it is punitive. It
is racist, it is akin to modern slavery, and it
has been the subject of multiple class actions and every
report that has been commissioned has indicated that it has
(05:19):
just created misery within the communities that it is purportedly
designed to lift up. So I suppose to round this
little piece out. Daniel on the history of the scheme
is that when participants withdrew their labor, their income support
was withdrawn under the mantra of the time of no work,
no pay. So if people in the desert had to
(05:41):
drive four hundred kilometers to the nearest major city or
center for a hospital appointment, for a doctor's appointment, for
sorry business, and they didn't attend the standing around that
was forced upon them because there was nothing really to
do in these regions, their welfare would be docked and
the cascading effects on the families magnified.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
At least three hundred thousand penalties have been imposed in
two years, including for people away at medical appointments or funeral.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
In twenty seventeen, Labor First committed to abolish the CDP.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
When they're in opposition.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
The Community Development program put in place by the current
government in remote communities is discriminatory punitive and ineffectual and
a shortened Labor government will abolish the current CDP and
replace it with a new program.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
That commitment firmed head of the last election campaign, and
in the wake of the defeated referendum, it was the
first major policy announcement that they introduced.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
As well as more remote housing, we're creating the new
Remote Jobs and Economic Development Program with three thousand new
jobs in remote Australia to build new skills and new
confidence within communities.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But what this Australian National Audit Office report has found
is that Labour's seven hundred and seven million dollar new
program Remote Jobs and Economic Development is basically comprising of
many of the same failures of yesteryear's. It is very
much aligned, at least from my perspective, Daniel, with a
lot of the neoliberal policy making that has dominated indigenous
(07:25):
affairs in yesteryear.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So tell me about that ben Labor replaced the CDP
with their own jobs program and now this audit report
has come out which assesses how effective their scheme is.
What did it say.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It spoke about the fact that when the program was
announced by Anthony Albanesi in February twenty twenty four that
the advice to the government to support that announcement was
just not clearly informed by evidence. Labour had promised to
develop a new program in partnership with First Nations people,
(07:57):
and on top of that, had spent the first two
years its term talking about the need to listen to
Aboriginal people in order to get better outcomes. But the
a ANDAO report found that the National Indigenous Australians Agency
hadn't actually established a governance structure to ensure that Indigenous
people were included in decision making until a month before
(08:20):
the Prime Minister announced the new program. So it's a
pretty scathing assessment. And if we were to think about
I suppose the expenditure items within the Indigenous Affairs portfolio,
this would have to be up there on the podium
as one of the most significant investments.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
The a and AO report, when you take it in full, speaks.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
To how this is another program that has largely been
conceived by bureaucrats top down and then hastily rushed together
and once again superimposed on these communities that I suppose
it really looking to bounce back from a couple of
decades of policies that have dispossessed, displaced and dehumanized.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
These communities.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Coming up after the break the Coalition's plans in Indigenous.
Speaker 9 (09:15):
Affairs Hi Ruby Jones. Here seven Am tells stories that
need to be told. Our journalism is founded on trust
and independence, and now we're increasing our coverage. Every Saturday
until the election will bring you an extra episode to
(09:36):
break down the biggest political moments of the week. If
you enjoy seven Am, the best way you can support
us is by making a contribution at seven am podcast
dot com dot are you forward slash support. Thanks for
listening and supporting our work.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Been The Coalition chalked up at Big Win with the
failure of the voice referredom. So what have we seen
since then? In terms of their vision for improving lives
of Aboriginal people.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
The headline from the Coalition is practical solutions. You know,
we want to ensure that we are pursuing practical solutions
to improve the lives of Indigenous people.
Speaker 10 (10:12):
My goal is the halt the pointless virtue signaling and
focus on the solutions that bring real change that changes
the lives of Australia's most vulnerable citizens, Solutions that give
them real lives.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I tried to probe Senator price On, I suppose you
know the coalitions what they mean when they talk about
practical solutions when it comes to Indigenous affairs, but she
never responded to those questions. She was clear that in
the sense that she believes, you know, Labour's new remote
jobs and Economic Development program is akin to a broken
(10:48):
election promise and that it's been hastily put together and
that there's still many missing pieces. She also said that
they're committed to encouraging economic independence for Indigenous Australians through
the private sector and ensuring that a mutual obligations program
does exist.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So these are basically announcements. Have they actually put any
policies out to back up some of these announcements to
create jobs for First Nations people to private sector, private enterprise,
What does that actually mean in a policy sense? Do
we have any idea what the meat is on the
bone here?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
There's no meat on the bone as far as I
can say, And this is what I've tried to probe.
All of the researchers found that mutual obligations and the
scheme that it sounds like the Coalition wants to revert
back to US costs five times as much per participant
as the mainstream Job Active program and twice as much
as the scheme it replaced, and as importantly that those
(11:42):
under mutual obligations also take longer to find work. So
it very much contradicts the narrative of efficiency that the
Coalition is running with and importantly also undermines their purported
commitment to practical solutions in alivation indigenous peoples, particularly in
remote and rural areas.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And I'll be.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Interested to get your perspective on this as well, Daniel,
but I think one key point is worth noting is
that there's a strategy behind I suppose putting Senator nappinginpro
Price as the de facto head of the government's magaspin
off of DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, and that
is to just position Indigenous affairs as a proxy, as
(12:25):
a battleground that they can wedge labor to. And the
expectation is that Senator Price will hold up Indigenous peoples
as a punching bag, and the Coalition party and it's
people who are out on the front line selling their message,
are able to just lay some cheap shots when it's
politically expedient and when they think, you know, it can
(12:47):
rally the base and be a motivated for their cause.
So that's kind of my lens on it, But I
know that you cover this heaps as well, Daniel. What's
your kind of take on the coalition stance for Indigenous affairs.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, the strategy just down line proved to be very
effective for them, and it was the strategy they used
using Aboriginal people basically as a punching bag pointing to
waste in programs and in remote communities. When you look
across the entirety of government and society, the waste that
happens in Aboriginal communities is minuscule as a comparison. But
(13:19):
I think you're right the Coalition opposition is trying to
wedge labor out because of their success during the referendum,
But so far, my reading opposite, they haven't really been
able to lay any punches yet. Given the multitude of
issues facing Indigenous Australia, things like incarceration rates, life expectancies,
(13:41):
suicide rates, ostensibly the failure of the closure and the
gape of gender, what sense do you have of whether
either side really has a plan to address this devastating reality.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I don't know if there is, if there's ever been
a plan.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I feel as though that when you interrogate the detail
of what has been proposed, you know, throughout the last
couple of decades, nothing that I've seen that has been
put forward I can see being significant in the schemes
of closing the gap or you know, emancipating Indigenous peoples
from you know, the chronic illness and disease, the hopelessness
(14:20):
that you know exists.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
In many of our communities.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It just feels like a kumbaya when the statistics continue
to show that mainstream communities continue to break away from
ours that you know, are very much stuck in the
recesses of a really violent past.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Ben, It's always very nourishing to talk with you. Thanks
for coming on seven Am again.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Thanks Daniel, always a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Seven Am was a daily show from Sports Media and
The Saturday Paper. It's made by Attigus Bastow, Shane Anderson,
Christine Gate, Eric Jensen, Ruby Jones, Sarah mcveee, Travis Evans,
zom Vecchio and me Daniel James. Our theme music is
by Ned Beckley and Josh Hogan of Envelope Portio. Thanks
(15:19):
for listening to seven AM. We'll see you Monday.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.