June 26, 2025 • 15 mins
When US President Donald Trump ordered strikes on Iranian nuclear sites, the world watched for a response. But in Australia, there was silence. It took a day before Prime Minister Anthony Albanese or Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong addressed the media.
When they did, they backed the US, tentatively, while calling for calm. For Albanese, a leader who once opposed the Iraq war, it’s a moment that reveals how far Labor has travelled on foreign policy and how little resistance that shift is meeting inside his own party.
But while Labor falls in line, the Coalition are thrashing their way to a new identity. This week, Opposition Leader Sussan Ley made her first major pitch to the public – signalling where she wants to take her divided party.
Today, columnist for The Monthly and Inside Story, Karen Middleton, on war, politics and the calculations driving both major parties.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM.
When Donald Trump ordered strikes on Iranian nucleosides, the world
watched for a response, but in Australia there was silence.
It took a day before the Prime Minister or Foreign
Minister addressed the media. When they did, they backed the
(00:23):
US cautiously while calling for khm for Anthony Alberanezi wants
a vocal opponent of the Iraq war. His position shows
how far labor has shifted on foreign policy and how
little pushed back there is within his own party. But
while Labor falls in line, the coalition are thrashing their
way to a new identity. Today calumnists for the Monthly
(00:44):
and Inside Story Karen Middleton on war politics and the
calculations driving both major parties. It's Friday, June twenty seven. Karen,
thanks for joining us. On Sunday, Donald Trump announced that
(01:05):
the US had bombed three nuclear sites in Iran. This
was a significant moment, a dramatic escalation in the war
in the Middle East, and yet we didn't actually hear
directly from our government about this until the following day.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What was that the world has long agreed that Iran
cannot be allowed to get a nuclear weapon and we
support action to prevent that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That is what this is. Well, it's hard to know
exactly because the government isn't really willing to say, but
what we have gleaned from what the government said on
Monday was that it seems that they weren't alerted to
this and that that may have been part of the
reason that they didn't want to come out to definitively
(01:52):
on the Sunday until they fully understood what was going on.
Just a follow up, so.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It was your government's leaved prior to the at table.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
This is unilateral action taken by the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
PM Human Breath, This.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Was unilateral action taken by the United States.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They issued a written statement that was just attributed to
a government spokesperson. So that was interesting in itself on
the Sunday because they didn't even attribute it to a
spokesperson for the Prime Minister or the Defense Minister, and
that had noted that Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile program
had been a threat to international peace and security, noted
(02:30):
the US President's statement that now is the time for peace,
called the security situation in the region highly volatile and
called for de escalation, dialogue and diplomacy.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Had Iran complied with the very reasonable requests that were made,
including by the IAEA, then circumstances would have been different.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
It was seen very much as not being a specific
endorsement of the app and I think the only answer
I can give to that question is that they really
weren't kept in the loop and they wanted to make
sure they had all the information before they spoke out
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
There have been many in the security community who have
alleged that Trump breaks the international law in ordering these
strokes on Iran, and yet the governments decided to intensively
support those strokes. If you put this in the context
of Albany's's political history he stands on the Iraq War,
for example, how do you think at all squares well?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He certainly was a strong opponent of Australia's engagement in
the war in Iraq.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
In two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
He gave a speech in the Parliament on the twentieth
of March two thousand and three opposing that engagement.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
He called it an unjust war.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He said we shouldn't be revisiting crusades, because that's how
this war was being perceived in the international community, was
worried about Australia's reputation, and he noted that it had
the conflict of the invasion, had no UN backing. So
it was a pretty strong speech at the time, and
he particularly singled out the fact that there was a
(04:08):
preemptive strike. He said, Iraq doesn't represent a threat to Australia.
We are with this decision supporting a preemptive strike, which
changes forever the way that international politics works, and he
referred to it as an outrage that Australia should not
be part of. So there was no mincing words back then.
Now people change their views over time. He's now the
(04:31):
Prime Minister, which puts him in a completely different position
and this is a different conflict, some would argue, but
there are parallels being drawn to that situation in Iraq
in terms of the intelligence, whether in fact there was
an imminent threat to Israel and whether it was justified
onto international law on that basis.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Are there people inside the Federal Labor Party who would
be pushing back against Albani's he's approaching this moment.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, yes, there are certainly people on the parties left,
certainly outside the Parliamentary Party.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
That are pushing back.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
We've heard the lights of Doub Cameron, who's a former
left wing Labor senator. He has been critical of the
government's willingness to endorse the US stripe.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And we've also heard from Ed Hughestt.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
He is well known as a prominent Muslim in the
federal government and he has spoken out with concerns, particularly
about Israel's strike against Iran and whether that was appropriate
and justifiable, and then the subsequent role of.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
The United States.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So there are voices both inside the government and inside
the Labor Party more broadly that are starting to.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Caution against this.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But it's also important to remember that Anthony Albinezi, after
that election victory in May, has got huge authority in
the Labor Party now, so he is very much calling
the shots in terms of policy positions.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
After the break Susan Lee's energy crisis.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Today will be my first address as federal leader of
the Liberal Party to the National Press Club, and it
will not be my last.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Karen. This week, the opposition leader Susan Lee gave her
first address to the Press Club as leader of the coalition.
What sort of tone did she strike?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
She made it very clear that she's a different leader
to Peter Dutton, and that was the underlying message of
the whole speech.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Really, I'm not Peter Dutton.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
This is a new Liberal leadership and I have different priorities.
She for example, started with an acknowledgment of traditional owners
when she spoke at the National Press Club, effectively making
a statement that she doesn't agree with the position that
was taken before.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
As leader of the federal Liberal Party, I will always
be honest, upfront with the Australian people. So let's be
honest and upfront about last month's election. We didn't just lose,
we got smashed, totally smashed.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
She was very honest about what happened to the Liberal
Party at the election.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
She talked about respect for the community.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Reflecting it and representing it in a more modern way.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
What we as the Liberal Party presented to the Australian
people was comprehensively rejected.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And she particularly singled out women and the collision's failure
to appeal to female voters.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
And she has advocated for a greater number.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Of female Liberal candidates, particularly in winnable seats, even if
that involves quotas. But she made the point that it's
the state divisions in the Liberal Party, because of the
way it is structured, that have the power to do that.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
The Liberal Party operates as a federated model, meaning that
each state division determines its own pre selection rules. If
some state divisions choose to implement quotas.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
If others don't, that's also fine. But what is not
fine is not having enough women.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So she's putting the onus on the state divisions to
make a choice about that. She also spoke about women
and children in the context of family violence and violence
against women.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
More broadly and interestingly, she.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Raised the issue of coercive control, and she suggested she
had some experience of that herself.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I understand the pain that comes with coercion and control
because I have felt that pain too. I understand what
it's like when you blame yourself for the actions of others,
because I have blamed myself too.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But when she was actually asked about that during the
question period at the press club, she didn't want to
say any more about it, and she was introducing herself
to the public as leader and her own personal history,
her background, which is a very interesting background, and I
think we'll hear a lot more about that, because people
don't really know her very well.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And her speech came ahead of the Liberal Party Room,
Shadow Ministry and Shadow Cabinet meeting to discuss the party's
reviews that have been established to try and grapple with
the election loss. What do we know about the scope
of these reviews and how the party is expecting to
use them to shape their future direction.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Well, we've got two reviews now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
She had previously announced what is a standard procedure really
after an election, which was a sort of rapid review
of what happened, and that will be conducted by former
Senator Nick Minshein and New South Wales Liberal minister and
in fact journalist prue Gaward. So they will produce a
(09:49):
report for the party in reasonably quick time, which she
says will be made public about what happened and what
needs to change.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
And then there'll be a second review which she's it's
going to look.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
More deeply at some of the challenges facing the Liberal
Party along the lines. I think of the kind of
thing she was raising about the need to appeal to
modern Australia, so its capabilities with technology, it's understanding of
the needs and wants of sections of the community that
perhaps if it's become disconnected from So that's a deeper
and wider review and will that will take longer and
(10:24):
we'll be interested to hear what that finds and what
that means for the future direction of the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So perhaps the biggest sticking point though for the coalition
as it tries to dust itself off, is the question
of energy policy. We know nuclear policy hurt the Liberal
Party at the last election in yet it was also
a major issue in the recent dissolution of the coalition
between the Nationals and the Liberals. So were they up
to when it comes to resolving their approach to energy.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, this is the really big challenge in a policy
sense for the Liberal Party and the whole coalition. Obviously,
through the election period they were advocating for nuclear energy
and that policy had been devised really as a mechanism
to get the Nationals to agree to a target of
net zero emissions by twenty fifty. The Nationals were very
(11:15):
reluctant to agree to that because of what they feared
was the impact on the fossil fuel industry. They agreed,
but they got their nuclear policy sort of in place,
and that allowed the coalition to argue that it was
going to extend the use of fossil fuels, but by
twenty fifty or twenty forty nine they could have nuclear
power in place and then emissions would immediately go to zero.
(11:37):
Of course, that wasn't acknowledging that the net zero target
is about the process. It's about phasing out fossil fuels
starting now.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
So that is still a live debate.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
We know that there are some prominent people in the
Nationals in particular, and a number in the Liberal Party
who don't support.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Net zero and want to jettison that policy.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Susan Lee has set up a working group, which she
spoke about at the Press Club. Interestingly, it's looking at
what she described as energy and emissions reduction, So she
is putting there on the table that emission's reduction has
to be part of the policy discussion.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
They will report to herself.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And to the National's leader, David little Proud, So that's
the immediate mechanism she will use to start this difficult
conversation in the party about where its policy should go
and how to manage the challenge of climate change.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
A lazy question. The finished off with Karen, where do
you think coalition will land on that issue?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
That is an excellent question.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I think it depends really how much authority Susan Lee retains.
We know she won the leadership very narrowly against Angus Taylor,
who's a more conservative Liberal from New South Wales. She's
lost a couple of her own votes in the party room.
With the changeover of the Senate that occurs on July one,
(13:00):
she's got not much of a majority. Now.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Nobody is saying they want to revisit the.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Leadership vote, but that is going to be in her
mind as she deals with this thorny.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Issue right up front.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
She clearly wants to embrace an energy policy that involves
emissions reduction, but she needs to make sure she has
the whole breadth of the party and indeed the Coalition
behind her.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
It wasn't something that was easy to resolve in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The last parliament and I don't reckon it's going to
be easy for her this time.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So I wish her the very best of love.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Karen, always great to speak with you. Thank you for
your time.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Thanks Daniel.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Also in the news today, the mother of murdered Nunga
yamage boy Cassius Turvey has told the Western Australian Supreme
Court that the killing has torn at the fabric or society.
Two men aged twenty four and twenty nine have been
convicted of Cassius Turvey's murder, with a third found guilty
of manslaughter after arming themselves with metal poles and heading
(14:11):
out to go quote hunting for kids. During the two
day sentencing, Michelle Turvey also said the community now lives
in fear and uncertainty and that if anyone thinks their
actions were not racially motivated, many Austrains would be left
scratching their heads. And senior Liberal Front bencher Angus Taylor
has declared he isn't in favor of gender quotas, saying
(14:32):
he doesn't think they're necessary. It follows Opposition leader Susan Lee,
who on Wednesday described herself as quote a xalat when
it comes to recruiting women to the party, but agnostic
when it came to quotas. Women make up less than
thirty percent of the Liberal Party compared to fifty six
percent of the Labor Party, who introduced a gender quota
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(15:18):
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From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM.
When Donald Trump ordered strikes on Iranian nucleosides, the world
watched for a response, but in Australia there was silence.
It took a day before the Prime Minister or Foreign
Minister addressed the media. When they did, they backed the
(00:23):
US cautiously while calling for khm for Anthony Alberanezi wants
a vocal opponent of the Iraq war. His position shows
how far labor has shifted on foreign policy and how
little pushed back there is within his own party. But
while Labor falls in line, the coalition are thrashing their
way to a new identity. Today calumnists for the Monthly
(00:44):
and Inside Story Karen Middleton on war politics and the
calculations driving both major parties. It's Friday, June twenty seven. Karen,
thanks for joining us. On Sunday, Donald Trump announced that
(01:05):
the US had bombed three nuclear sites in Iran. This
was a significant moment, a dramatic escalation in the war
in the Middle East, and yet we didn't actually hear
directly from our government about this until the following day.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What was that the world has long agreed that Iran
cannot be allowed to get a nuclear weapon and we
support action to prevent that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That is what this is. Well, it's hard to know
exactly because the government isn't really willing to say, but
what we have gleaned from what the government said on
Monday was that it seems that they weren't alerted to
this and that that may have been part of the
reason that they didn't want to come out to definitively
(01:52):
on the Sunday until they fully understood what was going on.
Just a follow up, so.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It was your government's leaved prior to the at table.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
This is unilateral action taken by the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
PM Human Breath, This.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Was unilateral action taken by the United States.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They issued a written statement that was just attributed to
a government spokesperson. So that was interesting in itself on
the Sunday because they didn't even attribute it to a
spokesperson for the Prime Minister or the Defense Minister, and
that had noted that Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile program
had been a threat to international peace and security, noted
(02:30):
the US President's statement that now is the time for peace,
called the security situation in the region highly volatile and
called for de escalation, dialogue and diplomacy.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Had Iran complied with the very reasonable requests that were made,
including by the IAEA, then circumstances would have been different.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
It was seen very much as not being a specific
endorsement of the app and I think the only answer
I can give to that question is that they really
weren't kept in the loop and they wanted to make
sure they had all the information before they spoke out
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
There have been many in the security community who have
alleged that Trump breaks the international law in ordering these
strokes on Iran, and yet the governments decided to intensively
support those strokes. If you put this in the context
of Albany's's political history he stands on the Iraq War,
for example, how do you think at all squares well?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He certainly was a strong opponent of Australia's engagement in
the war in Iraq.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
In two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
He gave a speech in the Parliament on the twentieth
of March two thousand and three opposing that engagement.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
He called it an unjust war.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He said we shouldn't be revisiting crusades, because that's how
this war was being perceived in the international community, was
worried about Australia's reputation, and he noted that it had
the conflict of the invasion, had no UN backing. So
it was a pretty strong speech at the time, and
he particularly singled out the fact that there was a
(04:08):
preemptive strike. He said, Iraq doesn't represent a threat to Australia.
We are with this decision supporting a preemptive strike, which
changes forever the way that international politics works, and he
referred to it as an outrage that Australia should not
be part of. So there was no mincing words back then.
Now people change their views over time. He's now the
(04:31):
Prime Minister, which puts him in a completely different position
and this is a different conflict, some would argue, but
there are parallels being drawn to that situation in Iraq
in terms of the intelligence, whether in fact there was
an imminent threat to Israel and whether it was justified
onto international law on that basis.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Are there people inside the Federal Labor Party who would
be pushing back against Albani's he's approaching this moment.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, yes, there are certainly people on the parties left,
certainly outside the Parliamentary Party.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
That are pushing back.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
We've heard the lights of Doub Cameron, who's a former
left wing Labor senator. He has been critical of the
government's willingness to endorse the US stripe.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And we've also heard from Ed Hughestt.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
He is well known as a prominent Muslim in the
federal government and he has spoken out with concerns, particularly
about Israel's strike against Iran and whether that was appropriate
and justifiable, and then the subsequent role of.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
The United States.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So there are voices both inside the government and inside
the Labor Party more broadly that are starting to.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Caution against this.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But it's also important to remember that Anthony Albinezi, after
that election victory in May, has got huge authority in
the Labor Party now, so he is very much calling
the shots in terms of policy positions.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
After the break Susan Lee's energy crisis.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Today will be my first address as federal leader of
the Liberal Party to the National Press Club, and it
will not be my last.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Karen. This week, the opposition leader Susan Lee gave her
first address to the Press Club as leader of the coalition.
What sort of tone did she strike?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
She made it very clear that she's a different leader
to Peter Dutton, and that was the underlying message of
the whole speech.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Really, I'm not Peter Dutton.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
This is a new Liberal leadership and I have different priorities.
She for example, started with an acknowledgment of traditional owners
when she spoke at the National Press Club, effectively making
a statement that she doesn't agree with the position that
was taken before.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
As leader of the federal Liberal Party, I will always
be honest, upfront with the Australian people. So let's be
honest and upfront about last month's election. We didn't just lose,
we got smashed, totally smashed.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
She was very honest about what happened to the Liberal
Party at the election.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
She talked about respect for the community.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Reflecting it and representing it in a more modern way.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
What we as the Liberal Party presented to the Australian
people was comprehensively rejected.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And she particularly singled out women and the collision's failure
to appeal to female voters.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
And she has advocated for a greater number.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Of female Liberal candidates, particularly in winnable seats, even if
that involves quotas. But she made the point that it's
the state divisions in the Liberal Party, because of the
way it is structured, that have the power to do that.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
The Liberal Party operates as a federated model, meaning that
each state division determines its own pre selection rules. If
some state divisions choose to implement quotas.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
If others don't, that's also fine. But what is not
fine is not having enough women.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So she's putting the onus on the state divisions to
make a choice about that. She also spoke about women
and children in the context of family violence and violence
against women.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
More broadly and interestingly, she.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Raised the issue of coercive control, and she suggested she
had some experience of that herself.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I understand the pain that comes with coercion and control
because I have felt that pain too. I understand what
it's like when you blame yourself for the actions of others,
because I have blamed myself too.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But when she was actually asked about that during the
question period at the press club, she didn't want to
say any more about it, and she was introducing herself
to the public as leader and her own personal history,
her background, which is a very interesting background, and I
think we'll hear a lot more about that, because people
don't really know her very well.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And her speech came ahead of the Liberal Party Room,
Shadow Ministry and Shadow Cabinet meeting to discuss the party's
reviews that have been established to try and grapple with
the election loss. What do we know about the scope
of these reviews and how the party is expecting to
use them to shape their future direction.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Well, we've got two reviews now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
She had previously announced what is a standard procedure really
after an election, which was a sort of rapid review
of what happened, and that will be conducted by former
Senator Nick Minshein and New South Wales Liberal minister and
in fact journalist prue Gaward. So they will produce a
(09:49):
report for the party in reasonably quick time, which she
says will be made public about what happened and what
needs to change.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
And then there'll be a second review which she's it's
going to look.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
More deeply at some of the challenges facing the Liberal
Party along the lines. I think of the kind of
thing she was raising about the need to appeal to
modern Australia, so its capabilities with technology, it's understanding of
the needs and wants of sections of the community that
perhaps if it's become disconnected from So that's a deeper
and wider review and will that will take longer and
(10:24):
we'll be interested to hear what that finds and what
that means for the future direction of the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So perhaps the biggest sticking point though for the coalition
as it tries to dust itself off, is the question
of energy policy. We know nuclear policy hurt the Liberal
Party at the last election in yet it was also
a major issue in the recent dissolution of the coalition
between the Nationals and the Liberals. So were they up
to when it comes to resolving their approach to energy.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Well, this is the really big challenge in a policy
sense for the Liberal Party and the whole coalition. Obviously,
through the election period they were advocating for nuclear energy
and that policy had been devised really as a mechanism
to get the Nationals to agree to a target of
net zero emissions by twenty fifty. The Nationals were very
(11:15):
reluctant to agree to that because of what they feared
was the impact on the fossil fuel industry. They agreed,
but they got their nuclear policy sort of in place,
and that allowed the coalition to argue that it was
going to extend the use of fossil fuels, but by
twenty fifty or twenty forty nine they could have nuclear
power in place and then emissions would immediately go to zero.
(11:37):
Of course, that wasn't acknowledging that the net zero target
is about the process. It's about phasing out fossil fuels
starting now.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
So that is still a live debate.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
We know that there are some prominent people in the
Nationals in particular, and a number in the Liberal Party
who don't support.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Net zero and want to jettison that policy.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Susan Lee has set up a working group, which she
spoke about at the Press Club. Interestingly, it's looking at
what she described as energy and emissions reduction, So she
is putting there on the table that emission's reduction has
to be part of the policy discussion.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
They will report to herself.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And to the National's leader, David little Proud, So that's
the immediate mechanism she will use to start this difficult
conversation in the party about where its policy should go
and how to manage the challenge of climate change.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
A lazy question. The finished off with Karen, where do
you think coalition will land on that issue?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
That is an excellent question.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I think it depends really how much authority Susan Lee retains.
We know she won the leadership very narrowly against Angus Taylor,
who's a more conservative Liberal from New South Wales. She's
lost a couple of her own votes in the party room.
With the changeover of the Senate that occurs on July one,
(13:00):
she's got not much of a majority. Now.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Nobody is saying they want to revisit the.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Leadership vote, but that is going to be in her
mind as she deals with this thorny.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Issue right up front.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
She clearly wants to embrace an energy policy that involves
emissions reduction, but she needs to make sure she has
the whole breadth of the party and indeed the Coalition
behind her.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
It wasn't something that was easy to resolve in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The last parliament and I don't reckon it's going to
be easy for her this time.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So I wish her the very best of love.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Karen, always great to speak with you. Thank you for
your time.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Thanks Daniel.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Also in the news today, the mother of murdered Nunga
yamage boy Cassius Turvey has told the Western Australian Supreme
Court that the killing has torn at the fabric or society.
Two men aged twenty four and twenty nine have been
convicted of Cassius Turvey's murder, with a third found guilty
of manslaughter after arming themselves with metal poles and heading
(14:11):
out to go quote hunting for kids. During the two
day sentencing, Michelle Turvey also said the community now lives
in fear and uncertainty and that if anyone thinks their
actions were not racially motivated, many Austrains would be left
scratching their heads. And senior Liberal Front bencher Angus Taylor
has declared he isn't in favor of gender quotas, saying
(14:32):
he doesn't think they're necessary. It follows Opposition leader Susan Lee,
who on Wednesday described herself as quote a xalat when
it comes to recruiting women to the party, but agnostic
when it came to quotas. Women make up less than
thirty percent of the Liberal Party compared to fifty six
percent of the Labor Party, who introduced a gender quota
three decades ago. Seven AM's Daily show from Schwartz Media
(14:57):
in the Saturday paper. Is made by Attigus Base, Shane Anderson,
Chris Danngate, Eric Jensen, Ruby Jones, Sarah mcvee, Travis Evans,
zoltanfet Joe and Me, Daniel James. Our theme music is
by Ned Beckley and Josh Hogan of Envelope Audio. I's
been seven AM for this week. Thanks for listening and
(15:18):
have a great weekend.
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