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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's one question Grace Tame gets asked all the time
and her answer is always the same.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
For the record, I'm never going into politics.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
For the last four years, I've been asked repeatedly, to
the point where I've got a T shirt printed that
just has no I'm not going into politics written in
paint over Parliament House.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Like many younger Australians, She's disillusioned with the two party system,
which she says only serves a dwindling minority of wealthy
players rather than the general public. But as Australia prepares
to head into an election where jen Z and Millennial's
outnumber baby boomers for the first time, she thinks it's
a chance to move beyond the two party games.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
The political system is in the state that it is
because it has been corrupted by exorbitant wealth for too long.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That's the major problem. And I don't think it's much
deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It really is about the money from Schwartz Media.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven AM Today, twenty twenty one.
Australian of the Year and director of the Grace Tame Foundation.
Grace Tame on advocating for change outside of politics and
why this election is a chance to fix democracy. It's
Thursday May one. Grace, welcome back to seven AM. Thanks
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for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So I wanted to start by talking about the AFL
Grand Final in Perfect twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Set the scene for me.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, the Western Bulldogs were playing Melbourne Demons. Demons haven't
been in a Grand Final for since the sixties.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I think Melbourne fans celebrate relax because the drought.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's over, and we were embracing the day.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I was dressed head to toe in a demon outfit
with little horns in my hand.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Had preeding Trent Blue for Reddin Blue.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Years.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
There were a lot of WA politicians in the room,
including then Governor Kim Beasley, letter of Labor Party in
Howard years, and he was telling me that I should
go into politics and that to be successful I would.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Need to join one of the major parties.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And whilst the conversation that I had with him was
probably about twenty minutes long, and we covered a lot
of different topics and he was a very nice man
to me and I quite enjoyed talking to him, but
I did disagree with him that to make change that
you need to be aligned to one of the major parties.
I think successive governments have let the people down, especially
in recent years, the housing crisis, cost of living crisis.
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We're in a pretty dire situation and a lot of
people are putting their heads in sand, and they're enabled
to put their heads in sin.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I think because we have week leadership.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay, so Kim Beasley obviously wasn't able to convince you
to enter politics, and there is obviously power in advocating
for change outside of.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The political system.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Can you tell me a little bit more about how
you see your role as an advocate.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I see my role as an advocate is to support
those who don't have a voice, and whilst they can't
advocate for everyone or for particular communities, I'm an advocate
of that community, you know, whether it's the survivors of
child sexual abuse that I stand alongside.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Or fellow autistic people.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Advocacy is about awareness raising as well and educating people
and encouraging people to do their part because we all
have the capacity to be an advocate. I think whether
it we're just advocating for ourselves on a day to
day basis, or we're advocating for other members of the community.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And you mentioned all the way in which you see
the political system failing because our politicians they are by
a much not representative of the community as a whole.
So how much do you think that impacts the outcomes
that we get from them.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, politicians are supposed to be representing the people.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
They're supposed to be representing their constituents.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
But because there's so much power at stake in that machine,
and policy and decision makers influence how big businesses are
able to operate and how much revenue they're able to make,
the big corporations put so much pressure on politicians.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And they give them money. They give them money.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I mean, one of the reasons that we have so
much corruption, or that the machine itself is so corruptible,
is because politicians.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
They need money to run their election campaigns. It's a huge,
huge thing. You can make or break your next government
in an election, Campaig.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So it's worth it in politicians eyes to spend a
lot of money targeting people who otherwise are disengaged or
who are sitting on the fence and who are swing voters.
And if we didn't have so much disengagement, if we
didn't have so much political apathy, it might be less
of an incentive for politicians to take big sums of
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money from the corporations who can afford to donate it.
And so really you get political parties who bend in
a certain direction because that's where the money is coming from.
That's we know that follow the money, and it therefore
is also a rigged game because you've got disproportionately morbidly
wealthy individuals, whether they're representatives of the colon gas lobby,
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and you've got major corporations as well, and they've embedded
themselves such that there is a lot to lose for
political parties. And I'm not excusing it, but that's just
the explanation.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And in this particular election, for the first time, gen Zata,
millennials will outnumber boomers as the biggest voting block. So
talk to me a bit about what you've made of
the two major parties' campaigns and the way they've tried
to appeal to young people.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Where to start.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
The policies themselves, I think don't go far enough to
address the problems at hand, whether it's cost of living
with the housing crisis, the housing crisis is the result
of decades upon decades of both major parties pulling the
wrong leaders to really benefit multiple property owners and landlords,
you know, wealthy investors and the younger generations who had
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nothing to do with it. Not only coughying it, but
we're being majorly gas lit. And you know, given these
sort of like crumbs of possible solutions, like you know,
having to make a five percent deposit instead of a
twenty percent deposit, but then you still whopping great mortgage
and you know, like the Coalition saying that elderly women
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and first known buyers can draw fifty grand from their
super which is really problematic and short sighted, and Labory
continuing to expand colon gas projects and we just can't
afford to.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Be dragging our heels on those things.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We get a huge revenue injection if we started by
actually applying the resource rent tax and seeing these fossil
fuel blooders actually.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Pay their fair share of tax. Because that's not happening.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
We're not doing that because there are benefits in the
short term of maintaining the status quo, and the young
people do actually understand it. I think we're not given
as much credit for understanding it. We're sick of being
told that, you know, if we just have you know,
less avocado on toast and less lat's, we will be
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able to save up. It's just actually mathematically correct. The
median house price is twelve the median salary where it
used to be about four.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Or five times, and you don't have to be a.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Mathematician to understand that the cost of not only housing
but the cost of living has gone up way out
of proportion to wages.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
After the break where Grace Team finds hope in politics.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
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Speaker 4 (09:00):
For coming to the pub. I'm one ahead of you,
but I usually am with me guests, so a little
bit of catching up to there.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
There's no pressure.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Although this is a zero alcohol beer, so.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
You are on the zero, which is fine. That's becoming
more socially accepted. It is in Australia, Grace.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
When you look at this election campaign, what have you
made of the way in which the major parties have
attempted to connect with younger voters.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh, incredibly patronizing.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Well, mister speaker, they are delulu with no sololu, mister
speak at they are completely delusion.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know, well, I think that obviously social media has
taken on a different role and everyone gets access to
each other on social media, including politicians, and there is
a need to keep up with the times.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
However, you know, releasing disc tracks, this.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Election campaign has officially kicked off into the next level.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The Liberal Party have released a di track. We're going
to listen to it together.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
You need the way it is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
The money was spending on groceries. I just want to
buy some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks. You can't
emend doing softball interviews. We're just talking cricket in here,
Prime Minister.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, what do you think of the Ashes campaign?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That these ladies had absolutely awesome to win the four
bit three, three.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And one, knowing that there's a lot of benefit in
just reaching people without having to communicate information or really
be strong in your messaging, and I think that's disappointing.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Bring them prices down. This is what we need because
our bow's gotta leave olbos, got to leave brings.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I mean, we know that historically low numbers of people
now vote for the major parties, not just young people,
you know, people in general. And I think both lay
About and the Coalition had their lowest ever primary votes
at the previous election. So if that trend does continue,
I mean, how do you look at what that might
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mean for political outcomes.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think that's a good thing because I think that
if we're able to restructure the governments such that we've
got more independence, a better mixture of political representatives that
reflect the mixture of values and priorities in our many
and diverse communities, that represent society as a whole, and
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they're able to hold the major parties to account, and
hopefully we would get less influence from vested interests who
don't have the best interest of the public at heart,
that are really interested in.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Growing their profits.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Because Robin Williams, who said that you know, people who
are running for office should really have all of their
donors on their clothing, like a NASCAR driver, you know,
or like.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
A VA supercar driver.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Like that's the major problem. And I don't think it's
I don't think it's much deeper than that. It really
is about the money. There's a reason why that both
the major parties came together to past legislation that would
limit the amount of donations that independence could receive, because
they know that it's a threat having more diversity and
more independence. They don't have as big as stronghold on
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the political system.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And we've spoken a little about how the political class
isn't representative of broader Australia. Do you have thoughts on
what it would take, how the political process might need
to change for there to be a more representative cohort
of Australians who might feel like they could or should
run for office. I mean someone like you, for example,
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What would it take to make that something that would
be actually appealing.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You can do anything. You can force me to do it.
I've been exploited enough in my life and that's not
a joke. I need to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I mean, I feel like perhaps I already know the
answer to this question, but do you have any optimism
that the political system can change, that it can become
more representative of Australia and therefore I suppose provide better
outcomes for people.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, I think that you have to be hopeful and
there is hope in a minority government that has representatives
from many in diverse backgrounds who can stand up for
all of the different issues that are affecting the every
day Australian.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Grace.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Thank you so much for your time, Thanks for having me.
Also in the news today, economists are predicting the Reserve
Bank will cut interest rates when it meets this month,
following the latest inflation figures. Data from the Australian Bureau
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of Statistics shows headline inflation has remained steady, but the
RBA's preferred measure of consumer prices has fallen within the
bank's target band for the first time in over three years. Yes,
and fewer than one in one hundred full time workers
on minimum wage can afford places to rent, according to
the latest rental affordability snap shot from Anglicare Australia. Anglicare
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surveyed fifty one thousand rental listings, finding only zero point
seven percent were affordable for a person earning a full
time minimum wage, and just zero point three percent were
affordable for a person on the age pension. I'm Ruby Jones.
This is seven am. Thanks for listening.