Anonymous Online Trolls, Let The Unmasking Begin!

Hey Lifers!

Laura’s baby is taking a stand/protesting to Matt disclosing her name on his podcast. If you’ve had a baby, did you and your partner agree on whether to share the name/s publicly before the baby was born?

Britt has entered a new career - being a professional dancer! Dancing with the stars has aired and our twinkle toes tore up the dance floor! We share some BTS of Dancing with the Stars and Britt finally gets the answer to whether Osher knew that she was going to be dumped on Bach 8 years ago!

Two stories came out over the weekend that both surrounded the unveiling of the identities of online trolls/cyber bullies. Indy Clinton has received a 64 page document from a private investigator that includes the names and details about some of her relentless trolls. A couple in Ireland have successfully sued the formally anonymous owner of ‘tattle life,’ an online gossip cesspit and had his identity released.

So with the advancements in technology that make online anonymity harder, do you think trolls would stop and think twice if they thought there was the risk that their identity would be exposed?

Should influencers release the identities of their online trolls if they have concrete proof that they’re the ones responsible for years worth of bullying?

Do you think tech companies like meta or tiktok have more of a responsibility to not allow people to be anonymous?

We discuss whether these trolls being exposed would do potentially more harm than good or whether it’s a consequence for their own behaviour. We chat about precedents, how trolling affects both Britt and Laura and whether we think these stories will shift the dial at all.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm Laura, I'm Brittany.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
And today we decided to wear team uniforms. Unfortunately, he
shouldn't get the memo, you guys.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Look like you're the cow. I had bad eyesight. I
would just be floating heads.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
If you are watching this on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yesterday, Brittan I had a discussion in the car where
I said I don't think I suit beige.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, I regret that because I didn't know you copy
my outfits. I was like, you can wear beige, you
do it, do anything. I was like, we've got the
same coloring. Look at me. So I turned up in
my outfit the other day that Laura did compliment last
time I wore this, she.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Goes, that's a really cute set.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, Laura today in a full beige matching outfit.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I just want to fee you. No.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I went into Dish and I bought I just nothing
fits me anymore, Guys, that fits. I really have like
every single winter item that I would have worn last year.
I'm just over the cusp. None of the pants do up.
Nothing's comfortable, even the things it's stretched. Like everything that
had an elastic size waistband is now a little bit
too tight.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Don't you just pull it down under the belly.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
But they're still too tight, Like my ass has grown.
Everything's grown.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
My ass and my boobs are growing faster than my
stomach to be fair. Also so my nipples. My nipples
are so fucking long.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Do they get bigger every time?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
They're just well, I think they get longer so the
baby can find them, you know, phone helm as. Also
I learned something. I was talking to my sister in law.
Sorry to start this off with pregnancy shit. I know
no one cares, but I'll just make it brief. I
think everyone cares about the size of a nipple. So
I was talking to my sister in law, who also
has three kids, and I was saying, how the baby

(01:42):
is upside down, So the baby's breach currently, which is
I mean, it's fine, There's still plenty of time for
it to spend. And she was saying, oh, don't worry
about it. Like when you've had your third kid, your
womb is so stretched. She's like, when I went to
the obstetrician, the obstetrician told me that the baby can
fully stand.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Up at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
So I'm just imagining Poppy head up near my heart
and feet down at the bottom of my servax and
just standing.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Up, just planking in the womb. It's weird that you
already referred to it with a name, Like have we
spoken about that on the podcast?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Everyone, So when we were away in Bali, I beat it. Yeah,
when we were away in Bali. If you only listen
to the podcasts and you don't follow socials, you might
have missed it. We talked about how Matt and I
had picked a name on like a previous episode, and
we beat it out because like, I just assumed that
that's one of those things that you talk to your
partner about and you make sure if you're like, you know,
telling everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Nation he dogs your child, he dogs the kid.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
So it turns out that on two doting dads, Matt
he just needed a headline. He's just kind of casually
was like, oh, yeah, we're tossing up between two names,
Poppy and Penny, and Ash said he didn't like Penny
as much as Poppy, and so Matt was like, yeah,
us too, We're going with Poppy.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
And that was the whole conversation, he fully docks.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
So one day your child's standing up in the womb
is protesting you get me out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
But I think we've changed the middle name.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Don't dogs that as well?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Keep something a secret, now get us a headlines. We
were we were going to call her Poppy Bell Johnson.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
That is cute, though, Pop and Marley and Laula had
picked the middle name because they really like Disney. But
we're not going to tell her that. But we think
we're going to change the middle name just to really.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Bell does sound a lot like a flower, it doesn't
They like flowers called bells Google, I think that they're
both a flower.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, no, they're called No. One cares to the Mission
Bells or the Californian Poppy.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Sweet.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
You're good as long as the middle name is of
California or Mission or Mission don't know, you're good.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Something we do need to talk about, which is far
more exciting, is.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
D d career. I do have a new career. I
am going on tour as a dancer.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
You were amazing, Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
You always have to say that you always have to
be my biggest of all. You don't have to be
there have been times in you haven't my marriage to Ben.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
When I met Ben, No, the marriage was so sorry don't. Yeah,
when I hoped up with Ben. Yeah it was the
early days years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, we'll just scoop us.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
I was not supportive of you, just not, and I'm
still willing to stand by that.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah all loll caino. Actually, there's a whole lot list
of things you guys haven't been supportive of.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
We do love you though, so much, nice comfortely.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
So BRIT's on Dancing with the Stars currently, and it's
such like nice full circle thing. I feel like, so
Matt did it first, then I purely did it in
protest so that I could you have some time to myself.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
And then now Britt.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Has trailed along.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
But you you are by far the best, Like it
is insane how good you are at this. And like
Keisha and I went and watched a couple of the
shows in real life and kind of everything was pre recorded.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't ef we're allowed to say that.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, yeah, I think it's all out there because you
post about it at the time. So the way it's
done is it is recorded in advance with a live audience.
Because a lot of people have been writing saying I
thought it was live. It is like you were dancing.
Everything is like you get one shot. The live audience
is there, they can put their votes in the judges
score you, but the end of the show will be

(05:07):
a live audience vote. Like when we're talking about finale
deciding the winner that is live to Australia.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, so what you mean is is like it's filmed live,
it just doesn't show on air live. And like with
the finale, I don't know if your season's the same,
but when we did it, they film multiple endings, so
they film if there's a possibility that you're going to win.
They did the same thing with I'm a Celebrity with
the last three contestants. Every contestant does like a WHOA,
I won, but you actually don't find out until the

(05:35):
night that it airs on TV whether you actually did
win or not.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, it's exactly the same thing. They film multiple endings again,
so no one on the show knows who won, and like,
no one's faking it when they say that, like, no
one actually knows. So you do your dances, you know
how you go week to week, but no one knows
what happens.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, and it is interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Because for all of those shows, I'm a celebrity, dancing, bachelor, bachelorette,
you can bet on them on sports bet and things
like that.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's different. You do know if you've won or not.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
They don't in the sense of when money is involved,
when you can bet on something, they can't rig the ending.
So a lot of people think these things are rigged,
and maybe they're you know, maybe they're pushed in a direction,
or they're encouraging an audience to go one way, or
we know there's manipulation and storylines in.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
All of those reality shows.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
But when it comes down to the actual finale in
the end and a winner, when there is money involved
in any capacity like sports bet, you can't fake it,
like they have a legal obligation. I thought it was
because they donated money. I thought it's because.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
There's like a big cash prize that they give to
a charity as well.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yes, right, okay, but if there's anything any money related
in any capacity, so whether it is a charitable donation
or whether it is sports bet and people are putting
money on it, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Interesting because that was something really interesting for me to
learn it, Like I've been in media for a long
time before I actually realized, because you know how everyone's like, oh,
it's also rigged. It's all set up from the start,
blah blah blah, like you know, they all know who's
going to win. And I found out that when there's
a lot of money involved in terms of like gifting
it same as I'm as elebe dancing was the same,
they can't do that. They actually have to go off

(07:10):
of the audience votes. It's like a legal obligation in
Australia that they have to do it based off of
what actually comes in as a winner.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
The way that they can curate a result though is
through the Edits so encouraging the people who are watching
to vote in certain ways based on the way people
are shown on the show, so they can they can
definitely massage it in a direction, but they can't manipulate
the votes once the votes come in. I mean, this
is kind of a bit of a blanket statement across
free to air TV in general. At the moment, reality

(07:37):
TV in Australia used to be live. It used to
be a huge event that you know, we would all
go home after school or after union whatever, you're doing work,
sit down at the family and watch the finales of
these massive shows, and they garnered enormous audiences in the millions.
That's just simply not the case anymore. The opportunity of
choice when it comes to like streaming and everything else

(07:58):
has meant that there's not as much money and free
to AIRTV. There's certainly not as much money in reality
and live TV, and live TV is so expensive to create,
so filming these multiple endings means that the production costs
can be reduced. And that's why I mean, even with
I'm a Celeb, I think they saved so much money
by doing multiple endings rather than having them over in

(08:18):
Africa for several more days.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
And it's not even just that, it's also it's quite fascinating,
but it's also the TV timeline schedule through a year,
so everybody knows when they want. When I say everybody,
every show or network or station they know when they
hope to have their show go live because it has
to go live against other networks. What arether shows they're
going to be up against? When is there a free
period in time slots for twelve weeks of TV? That

(08:44):
doesn't always coincide with having literally a Dancing with the
Star's Disney studio available to film, So there's a lot
of it's actually logistically so hard to film and air
shows like that, especially live, and I think that was
a big thing with dancing now. It was really hard
to find this spaces. You need all the studio spaces
for weeks for these couples to be practicing. You need

(09:04):
Disney studios to be free for all this time for
the production. It doesn't coincide with them when they want
things to air, and I now I'm in that world.
I totally understand it. But then I understand why it's
difficult for the audience to watch and understand because people
want live. People miss that, And I think it's really
cool to be live. If it would be live, it'd
be amazing, Like some of the things that did go

(09:25):
down on the show would have been amazing live.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
And you know that they're going to get edited out
and you know that they're not.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Going to make the cut, and I wish one day
we can talk about it, but we probably can't. But yeah,
so I think it's a fascinating look from the outside
in it the way that the TV world.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Works but what was that like for you watching the
episode and seeing because when you're doing it, it always feels
different when you actually get to watch it on screen.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I've been on a real rollercoaster with how I feel
about it. And I was messaging so craiging my Dan's
partner lives in Melbourne, so like we were texting. I
felt really good in the couple of days before I
did it, and I was like, Okay, I know this
inside out.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I've got it.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Then when I did it the dance on the night,
I was like, this is a disaster. Like I felt
like I missteps, It felt like I was slow, I
was out of time. And if you watched it, I
briefly mentioned this, but you get to do a practice run,
which is what a practice run for you, but it's
a full dress rehearsal. They have the lights going off

(10:25):
and they want you to feel what it's like so
that you can just nail it. They also need to
see what it's going to look like. And in the
dress rehearsal before I had so many disasters. I got
extra runs because my outfit kept coming off, my heel
was getting caught in my skirt. It was like ripping
it down to the ground. I couldn't get through the
dance without my skirt coming off because it just wasn't
made right, which is why they do it. And it
just rocked my confidence when I went out there, because

(10:47):
all I could think about was my clothes coming off
in the middle of the.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Death Can I tell you though, because I was there
and that whole experience was actually quite It was so
interesting to me because obviously we went to yours, Laura,
but yours was at a different venue. Going into Disney
Studios like a bit of behind the scenes. We were
walking to come and see you perform, and it was
all ticketed and you had to get all these things
checked off and blah blah blah. And as we're walking through,
I took a selfie of all of us to send

(11:13):
to you to be like, we're here, can't wait.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
To see you.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
The security came over to me and they were like,
you cannot take any photos here.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
You must remove that. They made me go into my recently.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Deleted and delete it from there as well, and I
was like, don't look at all the.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, keep scrolling pop.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
It was so strange, like the whole process behind TV
production was really different to when we went to go
and see Laura. But every single one of us that
were there to watch you, and all of the crowd
as well, because we were on the family and friend's side,
so we don't get to vote for who we want
to do well because it would be very biased for
obvious reasons. But we kind of got to speak to

(11:48):
some of the other family and friends and all of
us were like, she did so well.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh my gosh, she was so good.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
And I was really confused because at the time I
could see that you were like you were a bit rattled.
I could say that you were a bit like, oh,
you know, I did it so much better in practice,
and I was like, what is she talking about.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
She's so good. It's different because you're not a professional
dance like me. Well, so you didn't get to see
the steps. Well, well, well I went.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I think it was like a week later because I
went to three of the filmings. Once I saw you
dance the second time, I don't know if I'm Lola,
I'm like giving a little bit away. I was blown away,
and I was like, oh, this makes sense why she
thought she was shit in.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
The first one.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
You also don't want to peak too early.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I went so as well, and she was so good, Like,
let's get that mirror, bor girlfriend, hast everyone tune in
Sunday nights. It's happening.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
So I did the dance, and I was hard on myself, right,
but I still knew that I did it like pretty well.
I put the energy and it wasn't any big mistakes.
I just knew there a few steps. But I also thought,
oh my god, it's night one, like it'll be nice,
but it'll be fine. How far out man? They came
down on me a lead balloon. Everyone else was pretty nice,
but I have listened to this.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
For me, you looked like you were drunk and lost
to the party. I'm afraid, darling. Every spin you weren't spotting.
There was very stiff. There was no hip action because
of that. It was too upright, and as Sean said,
your weight was too far back. You need to point
your feet in lifts, my darling, if you're going to
do them, you don't want to clumpy foot. But I

(13:12):
have to say I loved the amount of energy you
gave us and we can see the commitment that.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
But you got to laugh like.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I did, do a bit of a shit sandwich.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
He gave you a compliment at the very end, but
your face in that moment.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I know that you posted this and it was like
slowed down, But do you see being like totally yeah,
but I had If you watch it, if you haven't
watched it, have a look. I put that dance on
my Instagram. But I had so much fun, Like I
couldn't get the smile off my face. And that's what
I've got to remember going through this. I was going

(13:47):
to remember that at the time, I was having the
time of my life.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
I don't think there was anyone who had a better
time on Dancing with the Stars than Laura Burn though,
like that smile on.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Your face, it was a bit manic. I've never said anything,
even on your wedding day.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I seriously look like I to psychedelics when I was on.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Dancing because and you'll know, Laura, this is why, right
they tell you that, like if you think you're leaning
into the feeling, because you've got to feel the dance
if it's serious, it's serious, sexy, romantic, romantic, happy, whatever.
But they're like, you've got to do that feeling on
steroids to get it across on TV. It's like Ott,
but I think Laura took that a little too far.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
No, to be honest, And in my defense, I actually
did have the time in my life, and I think
the reason for that is because, I mean I probably
talked about it before. I was so in my head
when we did Bachelor, Like, I did not enjoy the
experience at all, even though now I look back on
it and I can see that there were so many
things about that experience that were just absolutely insane, so wonderful. Yeah,

(14:44):
I wish I could go back and do it again
and not have been so negative about it the whole time.
So obviously now easy to say that it was a
great outcome. But I really went into doing Dancing with
the Stars because I've only done the two reality shows
that I went into that experience and I was like,
I don't care what happens. I'm just here to have
a good time. I'm not a professional dancer. I don't

(15:05):
care if I suck, but I will care if I
am so hard on myself. And then I look back
on another experience and I didn't enjoy it because I
couldn't just like see the joy and the fun in it.
And it really changed my mindset around it, and I
had so much fun. And that was the one thing
I kept saying to you, Britt, I was like, please
just enjoy it, because you will regret not if you,
you know, six months time when it's all over and
you wake up and you're like, oh, that was so hard.

(15:27):
And I've kind of fucking hated that I didn't just
appreciate what it was in the time.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
No, I mean, I'm a bit of a reality TV
e vet now definitely done the rounds, So I think
it is anything else left?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I haven't it?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Come? You've got a prenovation show the block? Oh what
else is there?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Block?

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I've seen you put flat pack furniture together. You'd be terrible, naked, afraid.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Or naked it alone? What was on we were talking
about just before.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I have a lot of potential, Kisha, I have a
lot of potential. No, there's hips the stuff I haven't done.
I'm joking, but I also have done a lot of stuff.
I love reality I love it. But what I feel
like that has given me a gift because now I
genuinely don't care. I just go in and like, I
gave this show more than I've given it any other
show like it was completely unfiltered me. It was every

(16:13):
ounce of energy and dedication I could have. I think
I trained longer and harder than I don't want to
say that anyone in there, but I'm pretty sure I
did because I was still working full time jobs. Everyone
else had time off their work. But I just was like,
if I'm gonna do this, I'm just gonna leave it
all out there on the dance floor. I'm gonna leave
those sparkles and sequence out on the dance floor. And
I think that's just so good. I don't expect. I

(16:34):
wasn't expecting. I don't want anyone. Keisha and Laura are
obviously my biggest supports. They are possibly making me sound
better than I am. I don't want anyone to think
that I'm gonna go ahead and be a superstar. But
what I will say is like I fucking tried so hard.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
All I have to say is watch out, Bindi Irwin,
because next you're gonna be on like Strictly Dancing or
whatever it is in the state and take me.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
But Bob Irwin's on it now, like he's literally over there.
He just bypassed Australia. Your straight to America.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
It's on Sunday nights for anyone who wants to watch it,
and this coming Sunday because so Britt will't be on
every rotating week every second week to start with, because
they kind of split them into group A Group B.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's really edging us, I know, not.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
To get a bit more of the Brit.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
But Osha is on this week, and I really want
to see that as well.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I feel like I'm yeah, I feel I've really invested
in it. I really want to see Osha dance.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah. So interestingly, OSHA's partner is my partner's fiance, so
there's like a real competition. Like so funny. When we
first started dancing the training, Osha was in like down
the hallway from us, because you get put in studios,
but you're not supposed to speak to each other. You're
not supposed to look at each other. And we, like
Osha and I've seen each other loads over the years
he's been on the podcast, but I never really asked

(17:45):
him this. We ran into each other in the corridor
and I was like, look, we're gonna be working together
here for a little while. I was like, let's just
set the record straight. He goes here we go. I
was like, did you or did you not know? I
was like, I couldn't care less. I'm married, it's been
I don't care, but just let me know. And he said,
I swear to god, I didn't know. He didn't know

(18:06):
that I was gonna get dumped by the honey Badger
at the end, because it was there was a bit
of an assumption that like, there's no way the honey
Badger could have not told any of the production or.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
No, they didn't know. They didn't know. I don't even
think that his management knew anyway. Moving a lot a
big discussion we've been having here of the last couple
of days, and it is something that has been playing
out hugely across socials recently.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I'm sure you guys would have seen it.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
But it's a question would online trolls troll less if
they couldn't do it under a cloak of anonymity. This
comes off the back of Indy Clinton being handed a
sixty four page document that outlines all of the trolls
that have been harassing her for years.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and if you don't know who Indy Clinton is,
she is a huge content creator. She's got a really
big audience on TikTok, a couple of million. She is
really into the mum content. She got three little kids.
She won TikTok Content Creator of the Year in twenty
twenty three, she hosted last year, and she's very, very
big in that space.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, and I guess a little bit more contact on
her as well. Is like she was known as being
like this very unfiltered mummy blogger, just exposing She's very young,
she's only in her like, you know, mid twenties now,
and she had three babies back to back, and so
she had this like chaotic, unfiltered life that would play
out on TikTok. Now more recently she's come into the
headlines because she had some plastic surgery, she had a

(19:23):
nose job, and the Internet was really fucking angry about it,
and she ended up having to have some time off
socials because of how horrible the trolling was that she's received.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, we never even spoke about that aspect. But the
thing that I think is really important to note here
is too, is she was really open about that whole thing.
She documented the whole thing. It's not like she like
snuck away and tried to pretend nothing happened and said, oh,
I just use skincare, and you know, this is my Facebook.
She was really open and documented it and the trolling
she got off the back of it. People weren't angry

(19:53):
that she got plastic surgery as such. People were angry
because they didn't like her appearance. They thought she got
the wrong kind of nose job or there was so
brutally horrifically mean about her appearance.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
More so than anything, the commentary that she receives would
be unrelenting, like when you've got millions of followers. But
she said that people loved her when she was just
a hot mess, when she was the most depressed that
she's ever been, in the trenches of motherhood. And she said,
and now that she's coming out of that, she's got
time for herself. She's exercising, she's really proud of the
way she looks and her body. And then she's also

(20:27):
gone and had this plastic surgery done. She's like people
have started to hate her. That's how it feels online
that people hate that she's no longer suffering and that
she's enjoying the person that she is and stepping into
herself again. Now going back to this sixty four page report,
this is the outcome of enlisting a private investigator who
was spent three months getting the information of the trolls
who have been harassing her for some of the months,

(20:49):
some of them years. These trolls, and this is the problem, right,
Like we have an understanding or a thought that like
trolls just these people who sit in the basement writing
awful things who have really depressing, awful lives. But what
she's discovered is that it is quite a few mums
themselves who are doing this. A lot of these women
who are trolling her and have been harassing her for

(21:09):
years actually live in Melbourne. She said that she has
so much information around them that she knows the hospitals
that they were born in, She knows the names of
their gynecologists. Have a little listen to this.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I literally know every detail, down to your ABN and
down to where you gave birth at Francis Parry.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Hospital, even to your gynecologists.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Another beautiful troll of mine, you regret your evil eye
teto you got when you were eighteen.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
You know what I regret a tatoo I got when
I was eighteen two.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I have a moon, but I feel like with an
evil eye, it's meant to look after you.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
But I guess if you're trolling, it's not going to
do that.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
There's been a huge outpouring online from other influences who
have probably experienced very similar things but have never known
or been able to do anything about it because for
so long, these trolls and people who write horrible comments
have been able to get away with it because nobody
knows who their identity is the fact that she has.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Made the statement that she now has information of who
the trolls are, but she isn't going to release it
publicly has also caused quite a controversial stir online because
a lot of people are saying, well, why do they
deserve the anonymity now that you know, like they've spent
years trolling, you dos them put their information out? You know,
like as in like pay it back? Personally, I quite

(22:29):
like that she's taking the higher road, and she is
saying I'm going to take the higher road. It would
be quite contradictory of her to then go and dox
these people to two million people of her followers, like
that is going to cause an onslaught of people to
go to these whoever they are that she has said
that a lot of them are like mums from Melbourne
for example. Do I think she's going to do something
with this information. Absolutely, I think she is going to

(22:50):
take a private road. I'm sure she is going to
get her lawyers to send cease and desist to them privately.
I'm sure she's going to threaten legal action to them
privately in hopes that it stops. She hasn't on this
for no reason, but it will be interesting to see
if she ends up taking any of them to court. Personally,
I like that she isn't going to go and rinse
every single one of them. On to her two million followers.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Well, yeah, we all have kind of slightly different opinions
on this, and like I think we can get into
the conversations around like what are the consequences for being
a troll online? But the reason why we wanted to
talk about this We know that India's being covered quite
a bit in the last couple of days and I'm
sure a lot of you are across what has happened there.
But this has also come at the same time as
another very big movement in terms of online trolling. So

(23:33):
there is a website that up until recently I did
not even know exists, and then we talked about whether
or not we should even shine a light on it,
whether it was just pointing I guess like more eyes
towards a website that really is like not worth the
fucking space on the Internet that it takes up.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's the cesspit of the Internet.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
But it's called tattle or tattle Life.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So for those of you who don't know what tatle
life is, it's an online gossip forum and it has
literally aless threads featuring any influencer that you can think of.
There's a very big portion of it that's UK based.
But the reason why it was originally created is it
was created as a way to try and keep influencers
responsible in a very unregulated space. So for influencers who

(24:16):
were monetizing their content, maybe they were using their children
online in their content as well. It was a place
for kind of like vigilantes, I guess, to get together
and talk about the problematic nature of it. Now I
would say it's very much regressed from that. And because itself,
tadle Life is highly unregulated, it really is just a
cesspool of people's nasty comments and nasty trolling.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I just think we're even being too nice. It's fucking
disgusting and abysmal and should not exist. Like it is
the worst place you could go to on the internet.
It is horrific, it's malicious, it's fabricated, it's not real.
There's death threats, there's do scene and it has always
been run by one anonymous person. Don't know if it

(25:00):
was a man a woman, what they did, who they were,
their age.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Interestingly, the person who had been running it and creating
it was under the pseudonym of a female, and I
think because women also have this, like there's this expectation
that women are the ones who gossip, right, So it
just kind of made sense that it was a female
behind Tadle Life. The person who created it is actually
a man. His name is Bashton Durwood, and he himself
was an influencer and a content creator. He's the owner

(25:26):
of a company called Nest and Glow.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
He's a vegan and vegan like vegans, vegan vegan, but
vegans always really I should say always, they're not but
like you think that they're really good people and they're not.
He's the ultimate sorry vegans are He's the ultimate troll.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
The reason why his identity has become known is because
there is a couple in Ireland, Neil and Donna Sans
Now they have been the victims of this online trolling
and abuse because of Tattle four years. This has been
a three year court case that's finally resulted in not
just his identity being unmasked, but he's being charged with
three hundred thousand pound in payments towards him and also

(26:03):
paying all of their legal.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Fees, which is a huge amount of huge sum as well.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Now the king of anonymity has been unveiled and from
there it is going to filter down. And one of
the things that the judge said, a day of reckoning
will come for those behind tatle Life and for all
of those individuals who post it.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
On tatle life and contributed to it.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I love this and I think for anyone who follows
any type of influencer around the world. Over the weekend
there was this real collective strength in people posting. Whether
it was Australian people saying well done Indie, you're going
after these trolls, whether it was people from the UK
who had been quite literally abused because of this tatle
life website. They were all just coming out being like, good,

(26:43):
finally we are taking back.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
A little bit of power.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
There's a particular woman by the name of Carolyne hearns Now.
She was a victim of tattle Life, this UK based website.
She's fifty five years old. She's an aesthetician and beauty writer.
She's actually been labeled as Britain's most powerful beauty expert.
She's got a huge following. It's seven hundred and eighty
three thousand followers On Instagram. She posted a whole set
of stories about, you know, the unveiling of the person

(27:07):
behind taddle Life being this bastion deerwood guy. And it
was about seven minutes. So I've cut this down just
to save a little bit of time. But this is
what she had to say about the whole incident.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
If you have never frequented or been made aware of
that particular troll site, it was a hate filled demonic
I mean, you've never known the like. This isn't people
just saying she's a fat, ugly hoe. That's nothing. That's
like very twenty ten. This is systemic, persistent, consistent abuse,
death threats. You've never known anything like it. You wouldn't

(27:39):
think it existed had you not seen it with your
own eyes. I mean it was all fabrication. People would
literally go on there and go I used to work
with her, and she holds Satanic rituals in the basement
of her building in Carnby Street, and people go, oh,
my god, does she We should go and get the police,
we should stop her. Like you've ever had an office
in Carnby Street or a basement, or you've ever had
a Satanic rich Well, this is how ridiculous it was.

(28:03):
But then it took a twist and they started going
after children. They only took down the multi, multi double
digit page threads about deb the bow Babe the day
she died.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I mean, it's sick.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
And then they came after my family. They published my
mortgage deeds, They published private documents that you'd have to
go into a website to pay to download. They paid
to download them and then publish them. They posted pictures
of my granddaughter in my home. These people are vile
pieces of shit. The other thing is, if you've ever

(28:37):
been trolled, just take heart and know that it's always
someone more pathetic and sad than you will ever be.
And the proof is in the pudding because one of
the stupid bitches who trolled my family was someone we knew.
It was clearly by what she'd written, and she was
easily identifiable a mum from their school. And the reason
I'm telling you this is because she was the vicar's wife.

(28:58):
My point is, this isn't people overreacting to like a
just a basic troll website. What this site did was
take your life, strip it back to the carcass, put
every piece of your life online, dissect it to the
nth degree, slag you off in ways that you didn't
even know where possible. But know this, if there is
any way we can find out the posters, I will

(29:19):
happily out you. I don't give a shit. I will
go broke if I have to. If I know who
you are, and it's proven that you are who you are, baby,
your face is going on my socials. So I just
want to finish by saying a huge congratulations to Neil
and Donna Sands who took on Tattle and won whatever
they need. Help wise, I'm here, We're all here. You've
fucked with us all for too long. Those of us
with means. I'm happy to help them in any way

(29:41):
I can to bring you down. And anyone who's lived
on that troll site for years, I hope you are
shitting yourself. I hope you are. I hope you have
the rest of you had a lovely weekend, because I'm
going to sleep with bells on my toes.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Bless sir. And this is a good thing, right, She's
absolutely minted, this woman because she's so successful, and she's like,
fucking be afraid because I'm going to bring you down.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
This is the problem though, right, Like the thing is,
these are people who have the resources to do something
about it. And I think that that's something that Indy
Clinton has proven, Like she has the money, she has
the ability, she has the time, and she hired a
PI investigator for three fucking months to go after these people,
and she's able to do something about it, whereas for

(30:23):
so long, I think so many people just thought, oh, well,
we can say these things.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
It's my opinion, I get away with it.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah. And I think this is where the conversation becomes
even more interesting, is there's a lot of people that
are saying, well, you know, you're in the public eye.
You chose this life. This is part and parcel. You
shouldn't be so offended if someone has a difference in
opinion to you. That's not what this is. And Carolyn
really specified that there. She really honed down on exactly
what specifically Tattle is. It is not someone having a

(30:50):
difference in opinion. It is not just your average troll site,
which is bad enough, or your average troll comment. It
takes it to another level where they are out in
your addresses, your mortgage, personal details, your children, your grandchildren,
the schools they go to. There was one woman in
relation to Tattle who had only ever made five hundred

(31:11):
pound on Instagram, Like she wasn't an influence. That was
raking in millions of dollars, which is what the sole
purpose of title said. It was right, so that's like
a thousand australlion dollars. Ever, she was pregnant. She was
completely doxsed. She wrote to Tattle and she said, hey, like,
I'm scared for myself and my unborn child. I think
someone's going to break into my house and kill us.

(31:32):
She had to take a week off to deal with
the anxiety. Please take this thread down, saying where I live.
The people that are hating me in send me death threats,
and they didn't. And of course, if you're in the
public eye, you are always going to be open, and
you should welcome constructive criticism. You should welcome a different
sce in opinion. You should be able to have those
conversations if that's all it is. But this is not.

(31:52):
This is that on steroids.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
I just think what is so fascinating to me is
that for so long, and I've seen you guys both
with it independently and together through our work, people have
just been able to get away with whatever the fuck
they want to say online and they can have twelve
different Instagram accounts. It's completely anonymous, you can't trace it back,
and it's kind of just been to put your hands
in the air and go, oh, well, well, what can
we do. I love the fact that now, with technology

(32:17):
the way that it is, and people who have the
money and the resources, they're actually able to do something
about this, because it's just been such a consequence free,
awful thing that so many people have had to deal
with for years. And like Carolyn said, this is not
just oh you're an ugly person or I don't like
that outfit.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Which that does exist on there as well, And that's
not what we're talking. Like, we know that there are
forums out there that just says mean things, and like
I could not care less about that. It's not nice,
And I'm not saying that it's okay.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, you don't have to like my wedding dress. You
can tell me I look stuga whatever.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
But do you think that people would say as many
of these things, even like the whole vast range that
goes from just saying a mean comment to saying something
that is completely you know, illegal or doxing, you know
what I mean, there's a whole variety of things.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Do you think that they would do it if there
was a chance.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
That they could be caught out, that they could be
traced back to who they are, and that could be
exposed to the people in their lives, People would be
way more considerate with what they actually write.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
The reason why people are able to write whatever the
fuck they want with the level of venom is because
there's no consequences. And I think, you know, if there's
the possibility that's going to get sent to your work
or it's going to get sent to your family members,
like imagine finding out that your auntie spends her fucking
every second night on a website bitching about some influencer

(33:34):
online who she doesn't know what a los are.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Imagine finding out your partner did.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
You would be so embarrassed to know these people.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
They are the people that's justus a dad. No, but
he's a dad and an influencer and a normal person
and a chef, and he makes money off it, and
he's a vegan and he's all fucking but I'm just
listening what he is. But that's what I'm saying. They're
the people that you don't expect, do you know. It's
like they often say, it's people in your world, your sphere,

(34:02):
or your realm that you might have worked with or
worked in the same spaces or have a similarity, and
similarity is in terms of like maybe you're all mothers,
Like it's other mothers trolling mothers. It's people in that world.
Do we think this is going to change anything? And
that is the big question. I would love to see
more people doing this, more people being able to take

(34:22):
action and find the funds to go down this track.
But this was the fact there's a three year lawsuit, Yeah,
with millions of dollars that people don't have, and like,
let's be honest, Laura and I have experienced this, like
Keisha said, We've experienced this so many times with completely fabricated,
malicious stories, Like there have been things written and said

(34:43):
about Laura and myself that we look at each other
and we're like, where did they even get that from?
And they're defaming They are horrific. Laura and I have
sought legal action before, we have sought counsel. We've spoken
to people saying, hey, like just so we know what
options can we have here, and like let's talk about it.
I know other people in this space, we all do
that are also doing the same thing simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Like this is.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Happening more and more, and I do hope that we
see a bigger change and maybe it will result in
some further legislation. Maybe it goes back down to Google
and Meta and everyone else that maybe has a bit
more responsibility on what they are allowing on their sites.
But I think it's a long way away.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I think the disappointing thing is I'm not convinced that
this will shift the dial I am excited by the
fact that, like Indie for example, she's clearly been very
affected by what she's experienced. I am excited for her
that this creates some sort of psychological piece for her, and.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
We've got your back, Indie.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, and she's able to I guess, get some sort
of solace. I don't think that it will shift the
dial across the board, because like companies like Meta, the
foundation of how they make income is to have as
many users on their site as possible. They do not
care if you have seventeen accounts one, two, three, four, five, six,
And it's actually of detriment for them to clean up

(35:55):
anonymous accounts because it then looks like the overall volume
of users on their accoun smaller, like on the platform
is smaller, and that then affects their bottom dollar. They
want to seem to have trillions and trillions and trillions
of users. So I mean, if they wanted to clean
up anonymouscounts, they could. If they wanted you to put
an ID or a you know, put some sort of
personal information to your accounts, they could do that. They

(36:17):
often argue the case that it could be then a
breach of privacy and then they're holding all this personal data.
They've got your data anyway, they have so much more data,
they'd TikTok.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Owns you totally. They have all your data.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
So like if you're using if you're using TikTok, if
you're using Instagram, them asking for a fucking copy of
your license and then a photo of you alongside. It
is not going to be the thing that saves you
from having your data stolen.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
It's already all there.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
But I don't think that it's going to shift the
dial hugely. What I do think it's going to do
is for those people who are influencers, who have the
funding and the means, and who are aggressively and horrifically trolled,
and who do experience things like doxing and things that
are highlight level trolling. I'm not talking about you're calling
someone a horrible names, but your high level trolling. It

(37:05):
will give them the confidence to know that there's something
they can do about it, because it shows them the
route that someone else has taken and the positive outcome
that that person has had. The question I have for
you guys, though, is what we've just discussed at the beginning.
Is it equivalent when an influencer who has millions of
followers millions and millions of eyeballs and a lot of
people who clearly back them. In the case of Indie,

(37:28):
find out who their trolls are and know that it's just,
you know, it's some mum who's got four kids, who
lives in suburban Australia, who is in a job that
doesn't fulfill them. Is it an equivalent sort of retribution
to post their image their face publicly on social media,
because what you're doing is you're sending your millions of

(37:49):
followers to that one person as a consequence for their actions,
but they don't have any ability to defend themselves. I'm
kind of laughing here because we've spoke about this before
we started recording an Eye quite differently to the two
of you, and I just want to make it really clear.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
And he's not doing that as you guys have said.
She's choosing to not release that information. And my immediate response.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Was fuck them, Fuck them.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Like they have caused so much harm that are actually done.
And this is not like you said, It's not like
one comment. This is relentless. This is like consistent abuse,
and I just wonder why the fuck they've been able
to get away with it for so long. And the
thing that you were just saying about meta that I
find really interesting is that we're talking about, you know,
this debate of what's a bigger priority of privacy or

(38:36):
whether we should have some type of like traceable accountability
on these social media platforms. We're talking about in terms
of influencers, we're talking about in terms of adults.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
This also extends to bullying of children.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Like and I, we're seeing the Australian government be like
front runners in bringing in this social media age of
sixteen that users have to be I would love to
see Australia be a front runner in going the effect
of cyber bullying are so horrific that it is a
bigger priority than what we think your privacy is on
these apps. We're actually going to bring in a system

(39:08):
that you have to have a traceable government ID attached
to these accounts, so that if you are the person
who is doing this, if you're the person who is
relentlessly bullying and attacking certain people online and sending horrendous
things and doing horrendous things, you're going to be held
criminally responsible for it. I know it's extreme, I would
support it to the ends of the Earth. I would

(39:30):
sign my name on any change dot org because.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
The effects on a few burner accounts I don't like.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
The effects of this stuff can be so severe, and
I think it's really beautiful that you guys both have
so much empathy for the trolls in this situation, especially
considering that you've experienced it.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I find it's not right. I don't have empathy for
the trolls. My thing is it's not black and white.
There are people that I post on my Instagram if
I think enough's enough or whatever, but I don't usually post.
I think it comes with its imitations. Quite often, I
will share a comment to my story that someone has
written publicly from their profile. It's already there for people

(40:08):
to see.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Right, But it's not doxing someone.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I'm not doxing them. They've said it, their profile is public.
Anyone can go and look at it. Sometimes and sometimes
I do it to laugh at it. I don't say
I'm like, hahaha, this is funny.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Whatever, but it's still rude.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
But when I have a problem with it is when
there are people with huge followings that are sharing private
conversations that are doxing people that might be not even
quite involved in whatever the issue was. They're like surrounding people.
They're people that are guilty by association, and when it's
quite malicious and aggressive and it's very intentionally, hey, like,

(40:41):
let's set out all my followers on this person. I
do have problems with that because I've been on the
receiving end of hate before, and I know what it
feels like. And I have a thick skin and I
get it all the time and I'm aware of it,
and I still know what it feels like. So there
is a part of me where if someone has just
written something that they don't agree with you, maybe it
is rude, and then your dogs in them and then

(41:01):
hundreds of thousands of people going to abuse that mum
in Melbourne of three, Like, I just know what it
feels like. So I think, if you don't have to
take that avenue all the time, don't tattle fucking docks,
every single one of them. That is a cess pit
and that is next level. So I don't care about that.
So it's not that I have sympathy for trolls, but
I am hyper aware of the consequences of a pylon
and a public cancelation.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, maybe my opinions on it has changed over the years.
When I was in the thick of the nastiness, which
was there was an old forum long before Tattle, and
it was called the Batch and Batchett Forum, and it
started off as a sleuthing site, but it really was
just pages and pages, hundreds of pages of horrible, horrible
comments about every single contestant on The Bachelor. It's really

(41:44):
prolific in the US. Obviously it probably doesn't exist in
Australia anymore. But it rattled me and it rattled my
mental health really badly. I since then and since I
kind of like got over that part of my life,
I didn't read it and feel dad or angry or anything.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I read it and I was like, wow, you and.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I I look, some people might think this is being harsh.
I read it and I was like, if you have
the capacity to spend your time talking in this way
about influencers who are out there living their life and
they're happy, and you're spending your time so obsessed watching
their stories, writing about their lives, trying to unpick the

(42:27):
things that you think you know about them, you are
a loser. Not only are you a loser, you have
a parasocial relationship. You might deny it, you might not
think it's a parasocial relationship, but you're obsessed with them,
and it's just a negative one.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
It's the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
You're a mega fan, just a weird, shitty one. And
to me, that is such a sad place to be.
And yeah, I kind of just feel sorry for them,
to be honest, I do.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
The problem is that's a really privileged I love that
you feel like that, and my skin's thick now, I
love that I feel like that.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
It's a very privilege.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's taken years, eight years to get to this place
of it not affecting my mental health and not caring.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Now it just a really genuine life.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
They both have a lot of grace in these situations,
whereas like, I'm probably not as far down that line
because I've only seen it affect people that I love.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I've only seen things written about the two.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
I mean, there's been few things written about me that
are completely fake as well, but I've.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Seen the harshness of it.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
And that's why I feel like I do sit a
little bit differently with this exposing the trolls, because I'm like,
there has to be consequences for them, and if there
is consequences for one of them, will that then set
the president? Is the threat of someone being exposed enough
to make people who were doing this stop?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
The threat isn't. No, I don't believe that. I don't
believe just the threat of like, oh my god, I
could be next probably excites them. They probably get off
on it.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I don't think that anyone's stopping at the moment.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
No, do you reckon that if Indy were to turn
around and go, well, these are the names and the
people and those people lost their jobs, their.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Family were ashamed of them. Yes. Do you then think
that people who are trolls would go, oh, that could
be me next.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I do think that if Indy actually did take that
stance and started to publicly show their faces, I do
think that that would have it would have an impact
for a period of time, because you know, like we
know with everything that happens in the media, it has
like a hype reaction. Everyone kind of like latches on
and it has a momentary impact and then everyone goes
back to the way that it was. My only thing, though,

(44:21):
is is that consequence? Does that consequence for those individuals
outweigh the overall good that that does, because I would
dare say that if Indy did expose the names of
these Melbourne mums who have been saying and doing horrible things,
they will lose their jobs, they will be affected. The
amount of trolling that they will receive. I actually think

(44:41):
it would have such severe psychological impacts on them and
they are not prepared for it because they've not had
years of growing into a social media space. They would
just fucking crumble under that.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, but then I think there are plenty of those
trolls that have contacted influencers jobs and lost their work.
They're contacting the per they work with, charities they work with,
They're taking away their livelihood. That's what happens on tattle.
It's what happens, not on title Like, there are definitely
people in Australia that contact people's work and trying to
get them to lose work. In that case, fucking yeah,
maybe you do have to lose your job if you're

(45:14):
causing other people to lose their job. Actions have to
have reactions and they have to have consequences. It's so
hard to say whether or not the good outways are
bad or the bad. Outways are good in terms of
having repercussions if you're out someone and what happens to them.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
There's also not a halfway punishment, no, which I acknowledge.
You know, it's kind of an all or nothing, which
is hard to kind of find peace with.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I guess I just yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Both of these stories coming out at exactly the same
time has given me a bit of gusto to be like,
maybe there is hope that cyber bullying will shift in
the future.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
And maybe I'm being a little bit.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Like glass too full in that kind of thought process,
but I've just seen this happen for so so, so long,
with so many people hurt and affected, including children, including
teenagers who have ended up taking their lives because of cyberbullying,
and I.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I just don't accept the fact that we go, oh, well, Meta.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Doesn't want to lose you know, users, so there's nothing
we can do about it. There's nothing that we can
do to stop these people causing more harm to other people.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
And the reality is is that for as long as
tech companies kind of wipe their hands to this, and
it becomes a problem that people have to individually pursue
either through lawyers or through private investigators. That is something
that only the elite and financially wealthy people are able
to put resources to. So for you know, people who
are making an average income on social media, or maybe

(46:33):
they're not even making an income on social media, they
just have some followers. For those people, there's nothing that
they can do about it, and so they just have
to cop the brunt of that trolling because there is
no consequences for that middle ground, which makes it a
really really unregulated space.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
You are not anonymous, and it's important for people to
know that. With the digital footprint and the advancement in
technology now, it's going to become so much easier to
find out who you are, like to get your data,
to get everything about you. Remember that every time you
want to go and write something on someone's profile, maybe
it's your burner account, whatever it is, you can be found.
And I think that is gonna start a whole new

(47:08):
movement of people influences across the world. They're gonna be like,
fuck it, I don't care anymore. I'm gonna also out you.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
All right, it is time for our suck and our
sweet of the week. Britt, what is your suck.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
My suck would have to be. We didn't really speak
about it, but I did go to New Zealand with
Ben on the weekend and it was like, incredible, my
suck would be. Maybe we'll talk about it next week.
But like how Ben is basically almost not gotten into
the last three countries that we've gone to within like
a week period. So he almost didn't get into Bali
for the wedding. Then he almost didn't get back into Australia,

(47:41):
and then we got stopped. He almost didn't get to
New Zealand. We almost canceled the whole trip. We had
to be on the phone to like border security because
of his visa shit that he feels out my head in.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You have to stop making him sound so incompetent.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
He was incompetent. He filled out the visa incorrectly. They
wouldn't let him into New Zealand. I know, but people
are gonna being like they're not they know I love
a child, No, they know I love him. He speaks
five languages. I praise him all the time. Can the
man fill out a visa form? Evidently not?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
But so my suck.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
When my suck was said, I was messaging Kisher at
the time live. I was like, I just need to
talk to someone right now because we're not getting to
New Zealand. The plane was like an hour. We were
boarding in an hour and we're at the desk. They're like, sorry,
your visa's not working. Takes three days to get it.
I was like, what's the problem anyway. Brit was like,
I'll see you when I get back from New Zealand
in three days. I was like, bye, man, No, it

(48:32):
worked out. What I will say is a lady at
the Quanta's desk that helped us. She like was amazing.
She got on the phone to New Zealand because.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
She got on the phone to the country.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
She did. She got on the phone to the New
Zealand visas because it's not a problem with him or
where he's from or what he's doing. He just ticks
the wrong boxes.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Like I think he just doesn't read it right.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Anyway. He said he was an Australian permanent resident that
was going on the trip. When coming back and they
were like, but you're manifesting it. But then when you
scan the passport, it knows that you're on an Australian residence.
So nothing matched they wouldn't approve it. So this lovely
contest worker was on the phone for ages and they
ended up like within minutes to go sorting and out
fixing a visa on the spot and like helping him in.

(49:12):
So that was both my suck and my suite simultaneously.
And I hope everyone knows that when a bag bent
out like this, it comes from love. Like he stresses
me out, but I couldn't love him more. So yeah,
that's my my suite will be just that somebody decided
to go above and beyond to help us and it
literally changed the next week of our life. So it's like,
that's a really cool thing.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Well we I feel like everyone in this the studio
has a bit of a suck this week as well.
So Nas, who we've spoken about a little bit, is
our video editor and she's also been a really good
friend of mine for like the last decade. Ness is
the reason why I have Buster. So that's how Buster
came into my life, and we lived together as co
parenting of Buster for a couple of years there as well.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
So did when you split you took three legs, you
took one.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
So she just keeps Buster's other leg on the mantelpiece,
you know, like we're like we always used to refer
to it like ness was Busty's adopted mom and then
I adopted him, and we just kind of like we
were the co parent mums that all lived together. And
then Nessa's partner moved in with us, and so Buster
had three mums for a period of there. But ness
is a very big advocate for rescue dogs, and this
week she had to put down Juni, and Junie is

(50:20):
Buster's like little bestie and just the most beautiful dog.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
And yeah, it's been.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Very very sad, very horrific time.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
It's been very sad, and also it's like off the
back of just like really sad animal news. Keisha also
had to do well in her family. They have a
beautiful Golden Retriever named Duke, and Duke also he was
put down in the last on K.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
I was about to say, Ness'll late it this so
you don't have to edit it, and now I'm like, no,
we can both.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
But it's also just I mean, you know, it's yeah,
and we are like such big dog lovers in this studio,
like every single one of us, and I think it's
like your family they are absolute family. Anyone who's had
to say goodbye to a pet because it was the
right time and the right thing to do for them,
like knows how incredibly hard it is. And yeah, because

(51:14):
you give you pictures. A bit hug tonight, that's right.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, I definitely like after Nessa's news yesterday and Duke's
news last week, I definitely hugged Delilah extra tigh last night.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
I did kids just now and then I look at
Busting and I'm like, you're getting old, buddy.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
It's ten and a half and he's real slow.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
So that to Delilahs over.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
A lot, poor bastard.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
You're a bit chunky, Delilah. So I want to put
you on diet.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I put Buster on a diet to try and I
was like, let's call back some years, buddy, but you
know said, I was.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Like, all right, let's get that heart back in check.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Where we're going to shed the He's really getting slow.
It makes me so sad.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
My sweet for the week is is that by the
time it comes out, which hasn't happened yet, but it's happening,
and I guess it's around her excitement for it. So
on Thursday, it is Mally's birthday. She's turning six. How
the fuck I have a six year old? Is just
I can't get my head around me. I feel like
it's also my birthday. It's like six years since I've
become a mom.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's the podcast birthday.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
It's also the podcast birthday. So well, actually in one
month's time. I think the podcast birthday is technically on
like the fifteenth of July. But it's been really sweet.
She's just so so excited. And I think this year
having a birthday, because it's her first year of school,
it kind of is a bit different because she really
understands the concept of having a birthday party and choosing
her friends that she wants to come, and like.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
She's the friends. That's so hard.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
They're pretty kind at school these days.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
They invite the whole class.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Not the whole class, but she's having like a lot
of the girls, like all the girls that she's it's
kind of like within her group of friends. Or she
goes to after school with they all are coming, so
like they're all invited. But yeah, I do feel like
birthday parties are way more inclusive now than what they
used to be. You can't give out invitations at school.
The invitations have to be sent on WhatsApp. You can't
like go and be like you get one, you don't
get one.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's much nicer. That used to be really brutal if
you didn't one around with their lips. Oh.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Also Christmas cards. Christmas cards are also not nice and
Christmas ban Christmas. I remember kids would bring Christmas cards
in and unless you're given a Christmas card to the
whole class, don't give out Christmas cards.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I'm still scarred. I was just trying to think.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
I was like, I don't remember never getting the invitation,
and now I'm like, oh, I was that wenker that
was invited to everything.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Maybe my school had that rule. Maybe ever because I
don't remember.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Maybe your mom was going behind your back being like
you invite All right, let's get out of here. Keep
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(53:50):
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Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, And I'm also so interested off the back of
this conversation that we've had today around online trolls and
everything else, I really would love to know.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Maybe we should poll it.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Do you think that if somebody has been anonymously trolling
someone online and they find out their identity, do you
think that they should and I'm talking about an influenced
specifically like Indy Clinton, do you think that they should
keep that person anonymous or do you think that actually
the consequence is if you're going to write the shit online,
then you have to face up that you said it.
You are the person, and here is your identity for

(54:22):
everyone to know. Do you think that that is a
fair punishment for the crime of being an asshole online?
I'd love to know people's opinions on that, because the
three of us can't seem to agree.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
And that's it from us, guys.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
You know, the drill Dog Tae friends and share the
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