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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on cameragle Land.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life
Fun Cut.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I'm Brittany, I'm Laura, and this is asking cut where
we answer You're deep, you're dark.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And you're burning question.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Laura's got a bit of a predicament herself today.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh I'm fine, it's not too much. You're actually so.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Far from it's the biggest lie you've ever told anyone.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's quarter past nine. I've been here since seven. Well,
like we've been here for over an hour and fifteen
minutes now, like all together with the whole team, and
all I've done is complain.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm cooping my name suggestion.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No ya complaining. But that's okay, it's what we're here for.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, we've just just gone through some last stuff. Guys.
I love your date.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You At one point, I'm like a sponge ill sponge
up your trauma and I'll go home and cry it out.
I leave alone, doesn't impact anyone.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Just sponge me up trauma.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You're at home crying in the shower about my trauma.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Ben's like, what's wrong baby?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
On the one thing though, that we have been discussing, Actually,
I've been discussing it.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Matt's very neutral, doesn't really give me much back.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So that's why I've kind of brought it to work
is I'm in an existential crisis about the baby name.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
At the baby. No, it's too fun, too late to
turn back.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Okay, you guys know, Poppy is the name that we
settled on, and I'm having second thoughts about Poppy, not
the child.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
The name very from I'm very confident on the baby.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm very I'm lacking in confidence now around the name.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
For what reason?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You think you've just said it to you.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Earlier. I think we just I think we blew out load.
I think that's why you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I've never understood, mind, you haven't had a pregnancy. I've
never understood people that call their baby that name it
so early on in the pregnancy, where they're like one
hundred percent sure, because I feel like you just don't
know what it's going to be like, or the vibe
or the energy. You say it too much without knowing
their personality. I don't know, but that's some of us,
not a mum.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, but I also kind of on the flip side
to that, I'm like, how do you look at a
baby and know what their name's going to be when
they're older, Like who looks at a baby and goes, David,
that's it, that's that baby.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't think it's when they're older. I think it's
just about the feeling they give you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Maybe potentially, but I've always picked a name prior because
I've always just kind of felt that a name resonated.
Like Lola, I picked it long before. Marley May we
picked that long before as well. It just kind of
like the name felt right, and Poppy felt right. And
now I'm not sure and I'm having real second thoughts
about it. I raised it with Matt the other day
and he didn't share my second thoughts, So I don't
know if I'm on my own with this one.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I don't know if I've gone back to the drawing board.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Do you have a backup? No?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, No.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I also don't suggest making it because I tried this
morning and I was shut down many times. I even
googled names that were similar to Lola and Marley May,
and I've gone into chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I do have a list if you're interested, Laura, but
I'm getting the vibe that you're not. You know, I
have chat GPT picky baby name Like, I've got to
put my foot down with chat GPT. It cannot be
what hey, mom, how is I named?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, there's something lacking in the sentimentality. The only reason
why I'm shutting it down is because, like, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I've already done the what names go with Marley and Law?
Like I've read that door, I've looked at them all. No,
I had, guys.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I even have a baby name app on my phone
which is like Tinder for baby names.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
What does it show you just the word or does
it show you kids that are named that.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
No, you just show you.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
People's you match.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We'd like it's like Tinder, Like you say yes, so
your partner also does it and says yes, and you
see what names you agree on. It's like tisser fun.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Okay, here's my vibe. Let's get into vibes. But if
you are pregnant you're looking for baby names. This is
something I use and I have used for all three
of our babies. It's an app called baby Name and
it's little yellow thing. It's got an egg on it
and it literally is Tinder for baby names. So you
sign up and you create an account, your partner signs up,
you link your accounts, and so then you just swipe
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around on baby names all day long, and then it
tells you whatever your combined matches are. It would work
great if Matt ever downloaded the app in the three
just one side in the six years of you know,
the duration that we've had children and been pregnant and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But he never has, so I just play it on.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
My own Audrey a lease like And then you can
also put the last aimen and you can put in
the middle names that you've chosen, if you chosen middle names,
so you can see what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It also gives you the.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Meaning of each name, like really like a really quick
synopsis in a couple of words. So if you like
a name, you swipe right on it. If you don't
like it, you swipe leth.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Have you like outswiped?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know how?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
On like Tinder you put one hundred common radius? Have
you like outswiped your baby name radius?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, Because there's more parameters you can put in place,
so you could be like, I really want a traditional
name name and you can tell yeah, so you can
tell it what you're looking for. So if you want
a traditional name, then it will only show you traditional names.
If you want like a unique name or a culturally
significant name, you know, you can look up like what
names are the most popular in Arabic, what names the
most popular French names?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
What you can put on Mine would just like because Marley.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And Lawl are a little bit old school but not traditional,
so I'm pretty open. I'm like contemporary names, but also
traditional names. Anyway, it's literally called baby names.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I kind of want to play, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I'm not pregnant.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, I definitely don't, and I reckon.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
We will end up calling her Poppy because I'm I'm
at capacity in my brain right now, so trying to
find any more names is too tricky. But also I
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Speaker 1 (05:51):
A couple of little few bits.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Great so husk argon oil. Yeah, chemists warehouse will worse
all the good places.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
My vibe.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
This week is a podcast episode.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Our episodes come out on the same day that No
Filter comes out, so it will be now last week's episode.
It is the No Filter episode with Sally Hetworth. Sally
Hetworth is a best selling author like times a million.
You know, she's literally sold millions of copies.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Of her book.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
You guys spoke with Sally Hetworth. I think it must
have been about two or three years ago.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Which was longer than that. It was about four or
five years ago. Wow, Oh it was in your apartment. Yeah,
it was back before we filmed in the studio, so
it was at least four years.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Wow, I've loved Sally since I just think she's so
charismatic and so funny, and her writing's amazing, and since
you guys spoke with her, she's gone through a divorce
and so this episode with Kate Langbrook, it was one
of the most honest conversations about relationships I think I've
ever heard. Like, I know, authenticity is thrown around a
lot at the moment, but some of the things that
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Sally was saying are things.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That you just don't typically hear. You know.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They had an interesting arrangement for the first year of
their separation where they did that bird nesting where the
kids stay in the one house and the parents go
to the apartment and.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Back, so the parents change rather than the children.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
She spoke about, you know, not really ever planning to
re partner, and it kind of happened almost almost by accident,
but how she will probably not live with this partner
because she's just just her lifestyle has changed and what
she wants for her children has changed since she was
married for sixteen years. She spoke about getting back into
the dating scene, you know, after being in such a
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long term relationship, and I really really felt as though
it was one of the most honest conversations about breakups,
about divorce and about kind of rebuilding yourself, and had
this beautiful theme of leaning so heavily on her girlfriends
and how that group of girlfriends is all that will.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Get you through a breakup like that. It was.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, it was a really really interesting episode. I thought
Kate lane Brook was fantastic in it as well, and
she spoke about, you know, the ebbs and flows of
her twenty six years from getting that right, you know married.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You know, I've listened to part of it already. That episode,
it really is great, but it was like quite an
interesting listen after having the interview that did four years
ago now, because a lot of that conversation we had
with Sally, you know, go back into the episode.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It really was great.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But a lot of that conversation was around how the
support of her husband and the dynamic of their household
has allowed her to thrive in her career. And I
even remember Christian is his name, Christian Hetworth his Instagram handle.
It was something along the lines of the dirt from
which the Mighty Oak, Sally Hetworth grows and it was
because he was talking as though he's the one who
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runs and maintains the household while she's had this incredible
career and she's written articles about how he's the CEO
of the household, and so to have that dynamics, which
after so much of your public profile and conversation being
about how you have this unique dynamic in the household,
I think that would be a really hard thing to communicate.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I also think that she addressed that transition and kind
of the gender roles, you know, within their household. She
spoke about how it initially was and how things changed
because she only became a writer when she was when
she'd given Beth to her first child, So things change
a lot in their household, and obviously sounds as though
things changed again after you guys spoke with them. But yeah,
I just think it was I think there's so much
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conversation about relationships and advice, and none of this was advice.
It was just a very very honest, lived, yeah, description.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Of what it can feel like on what it truly
is like.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So I really liked how there was just nothing held
back because I think a lot of the time, especially
when there are kids involved, people can be so careful
of what they say because they never wanted to come
back and you know, impact their co parenting relationship or whatever.
And it's not like she through mud, not at all.
I just felt as though it was very honest. So
the podcast is no Filter with Kate Lungbrook. It is
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called How Sally Hepworth Survived Her Divorce.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah great, all right. My vibe is a podcast series.
It's called Liberty Lost. It is I think in the
top ten floating around still at the moment. But it's
a look behind the curtains into evangelical homes across America
and what it is is and this is still happening,
has been happening for a really long time. It is
an interview based, educational based podcast. But when you are
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from a very religious home in America and you would
fall pregnant unwed, and there were a lot of teen pregnancies,
they were sent away to a place called the god
Parent Home at Liberty University. And the idea is it
was sold to you to be like, okay, we can
take you and help you get through your pregnancy. You're
like hidden away so you know you're not frowned upon
in society people don't know that you got pregnant out
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of wedlock, And it was sold to these teenagers as
like you could go there and decide what you wanted
to do and you had a safe place to be
looked after until it was time to birth. But it
was so far from that. What they did inside this
home was basically brainwash them and force them into adoption.
To giving their babies up for adoption to other people.
It ended up just being like a real I mean,
it's just a money thing, right. They interviewed these girls.
(10:47):
Some of them ended up fighting and keeping their child,
but some of them didn't have a choice and got
really bullied into giving up their children. You're listening to
them tell their story firsthand, and their partners are there too,
like the young teen guys are there and talking about it,
and this one couple are saying like, we didn't want
to do it. She was like, I can't even see
the paper as I'm signing my baby away, and she's like,
(11:08):
I don't want to do it. I've told everyone I
can't see through my tears, and they said, you don't
need to be able to see, just sign it. And
then they're just taking these children and it is crazy
and such an insight into the fact that this is
still happening in places.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Around our time. Is it said it's set currently, it's.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Set, Well, it's now, like some of these women are
now thirty and forty, and it was happening when they
were like sixteen seventeen. It's not that long ago. But
they're speaking out now to fight against it because it's
still happening around the place, like the shame that they
are made to feel for having a child out of wedlock,
and the family dynamic that their families are sending them
there and forcing them to be there to the point
(11:43):
of like it's like captivity. They're not allowed phone calls,
they're not allowed outside, they're not allowed that everything is controlled.
It's like baby trafficking sort of. So I found it
really fascinating to hear from them when they have the
lived experience. It's not just like it's our journalist has
gone and you know she's talking to these people firsthand,
the fathers and the mums, and yeah, it's a pretty
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eye opening. So it's called Liberty Lost. If anyone is
interested in it, I've just looked it up.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's by wondery.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
They always make really good. They make us. Yeah, yeah,
let's get into the questions. I have a crush on
my husband's brother perfect. I feel like we can end there.
Don't do it. That's a terrible ADDI okay. For context,
my husband and I live in Australia. Both of our
immediate families are overseas. We've been together for thirteen years,
married for eight, and share a two year old daughter,
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and I love him. We have our ups and downs
like normal couple. Right now, my brother in law is
visiting from overseas with his seven year old daughter and
they are staying with us for two weeks. His wife
will be joining him at a later part of the
holiday in another city, so we're not going to be
seeing her at all. Ever since dating my husband, every
time I see his brother, I just feel like I
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want to impress him. This is the first time he's
ever been to Australia, and I feel like the crush
is getting more intense. I even have this sexual fantasy
with him in my head. I feel horny and try
to put out the fire by banging my husband.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Instead, which is really good for hum.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I guess I can't no imagine if you told him imagine,
imagine if he knew. I know you wouldn't. I know
you wouldn't, but like, imagine You're like, which is really
good for him, and said, just imagine if he knew
that while you were fucking him, you're thinking of his brother.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I can't explain it, not that it will ever lead
to anything, but the fact I constantly want to impress
him drives me crazy. What should I do?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
You don't need to do anything. He's here for two weeks.
He's two weeks. You need to do nothing. That's my
only advice. Do not entertain this, do less, do less.
You know, it's just a crush, it's a fantasy, doesn't
need to be real.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just don't do anything at all. Over great, God, You've
got a.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Lot of people who could have a crush on I think, yeah, husbands.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But sometimes, isn't it Sometimes I think it's the taboo,
it's the naughtiness of it, like that's part of what
makes it sexy and hot as well. I don't think
you can separate the naughtiness from who he is as well,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Because it's like the forbidden fruit.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Everyone's the forbidden fruit's cheating. I think it's more than that.
Do you know what I think it is? You've been
married for thirteen years. He's probably reminds you of a
better version of your husband. And I say a better version,
because I'm sure they're very similar.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
They're brothers.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But you don't have the shit attached that you've had
for being married to someone for thirteen years. Like, of
course things get into a bit of a lull after
thirteen years, and you've got a kid, and you know
things are going to get boring, and you probably look
at him and he's like, he's like an upgrade. He's
like the exact version of your brother, but you don't
have all the stress attached.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But also I don't look I mean, obviously it's annoying
that you're having these thoughts, but I also don't see
it as this like wildly humongous problem. You've already said
you love your husband. You're never going to act on anything.
It's never going to lead to anything. The biggest inconvenience
here is that you have this like weird thing that
where you want to impress him and you want him
to like think that you're I don't know what you
want him to think.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's a I feel like that's a pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Thing for you to overcome in terms of like, don't
give it a lot of brain space.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
The more that you focus on it, the more you're
going to think about it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I think, don't be any different in your house to
what you normally are, obviously, like unless you walk around
naked normally, don't do that in front of him. But
he's only here for two weeks in a holiday. There
doesn't seem to be anything that you need to do
or explain. Just get through the next two weeks and
then crack on with your life and pretend like that
did not happen.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I would ask yourself, just out of curiosity, what would
you do if he was keen nothing? How do you know?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Maybe should tap it. I think there's very few people who.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Would willingly unravel their life like that in such an
absolutely catastrophic way. Like I think you only do that No, no,
I shouldn't say, I can say. I think you only
do that stuff when you're already unhappy in your marriage, obviously,
like things can happen in happy marriages as temptations.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
People make stupid decisions X y Z. But I think
that that.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Would be the stupidest response to having some sort of
crush that like I could wouldn't even be able to
comment on it.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well, do you know?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean like imagine having like how fickle and how
like lacking in any self control would you have to
be to act on those very like fleeting feelings.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I just think that Also, this isn't something new. She's
felt like this since day one. She felt like this
since for thirteen years and she started dating her husband.
Don't have him in your house then, like if you
actually don't think you can trust yourself, or if it
makes your relationship with your husband feel differently or whatever
it is, I would just not be putting myself in
that situation because this isn't something that's happened, like happened recently,
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or happened off the back of something, or you've grown
into it. You've literally said you had feelings from him
since day one.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
See that's where I interpreted this slightly differently. She said.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Ever since dating my husband, every time I see his brother,
I do feel like I want to impress him. But
this is the first time he's come to Australia and
I feel like the crush has gotten more intense, So
it definitely has shifted. I think like she's always probably
had a little bit of like a crush, like yeah,
but maybe not enough for her actually identified as a crush.
Maybe it started off as like, you know, want to
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him to like think she was cool or like be.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Accept her or whatever that is.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And now it's morphed into something that's obviously nas taking
up too much brain space for her.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Nah, I mean, yes, it obviously has intensified from now
she's got a proper crush. But if you've made a
note of saying, I've been like this since I've met
him thirteen years ago, there's obviously always been something floating
around in the back of your head. But like you're
not going to do anything.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
But here's the hotter brother.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I bet you're Hondi and it's a fantasy. So can
ever tell anyone? Yeah, I don't ever know anyone.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Other than us.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Delete the message you sent us, But I can take
that shit to the grave and don't act on it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's advice.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's normal to it's normal to feel that about different people,
Like it's normal to have these these crushes when you're
in a relationship long time and to have fantasies to
think of other people when you have sex. We've spoken
about that so many times with professionals over the years,
Like we know that psychologically that's a normal human kind
of behavior. Probably tiny little bit less normal when it's
like a sibling or someone that is so close to
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your partner makes it a little bit more inappropriate. I
feel like in my head because there's so many people
you could have fantasies with, right, it doesn't have to
be your husband's brother. But there's nothing I mean, you're
not doing anything wrong because you're not acting on it.
It's just a feeling that you have. But if you
think that that he's going to keep intensifying, you need
to remove yourself from this situation.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
There's so much research that's been done on the more
you think about something, the more you focus on it,
the more those feelings grow. Like you actually like feed
the fuel to the fire of this, and having him
constantly in your house for two weeks, constantly auditing and
editing your behavior because you are like feeling as though
you want to impress him like that or just reinforces
what this crush is, and like it makes you have
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this like a little bit of chemistry and fixation on him.
I would guarantee that when he leaves and your life
goes back to normal, you're not seeing him daily.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You're not going to be thinking about him daily either.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Like I think that this is a fleeting feeling while
he's in your house. At all I can reiterate is what.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We've said since the beginning.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Fucking don't, don't talk about it, don't do it, don't
actnot legit.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Stick your head in the sand, have sex with your
husband the.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
End, and don't call out his name, all right?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Question number two.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I work in a professional field, and on the daily
I receive emails from people who address me at the
start of an email with just my first name.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
For example, the email writes Sally.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Then body of the email no good morning, no dear,
not even a damn high.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I want to know what people's thoughts are on this.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I know it's something small and probably insignificant, but I
find it just so rude and also condescending. It's not
hard to put a tiny greeting to ensure the rest
of the correspondence is pleasant. It actually happens so much
these days that I find myself responding to them in
the same way, or sometimes not even addressing them at all,
which is just crazy, considering that I don't even know
these people, and whatever we are talking about shouldn't warrant
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a rude interaction. I guess I'd just like to know
if people realize that this is something that does come
across as rude, or if I'm being overly dramatic and
it shouldn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Dun da da da, I think, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
This is a funny one. I think both. I think
maybe you're letting it get to you too much, but
it is also still rude. Yes, it also depends on
the context of the email, the time of day, who
you've been emailing, how often you've been emailing, Is it
just a reply, is it the first email of the day.
There's so many things here to consider. I don't think
you should let it bother you to the point that
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it is, and I don't think you need to change
and adapt your behavior to theirs. If you think that
it is rude, try not to be that kind of
a person. Like you can still write back with a
greeting and I hope you've been well, and you know,
hope you had a great weekend or whatever it is
you want to do. You don't have to change who
you are for them, But I don't want it to
ruin your day just because somebody says, like Sally, were
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you able to get this done today? Please send it
by three pm.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I think it's weird for someone if you don't know
the person, if you never had an interaction with them
ever at all. Ever, Like I mean, obviously we don't
know the industry that you work in, but I think
it's weird to send an email out of the blue
to someone that you've never met and not at least
say hi.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Seems very odd to me.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I also would probably I'd be so interested to know
is that everyone else's experience, because I looked through my
emails and obviously, like you know, across life on cart
and Tony May and just personal life like the rest
of the world, I receive a shit ton of the
emails a day, and I couldn't find one where I
hadn't had a previous interaction with that person where they
didn't say hi. If I've had a previous interaction with them,
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then I don't care. If they're trying to be efficient.
I don't take that personally, that's not on me. Everyone's busy,
everyone's getting two hundred emails a day, Everyone's trying to
get through those emails. And so I think if you've
had a previous interaction, efficiency is fine.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
If you've never had a previous interaction.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
If this is a brand new contact, just writing a
name and not writing a high seems kind of rude
to me. There is a bigger conversation here in terms
of like how women use language and emails and how
men use language and emails, and it's something that we've
discussed a little bit internally between us. I think as women,
we are more prone to do the fluffy stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
They're like, hi, lovely, how was your week?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Hand and hope you're well, and then get into the
context of the email, and I guess that it's like
this softening language that's almost expected by women to try
and like fluff out an email before you ask request
or oh, just touching base about this, or just wanted
to ask this.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You know, the word just we seem to use it
a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think the expectations put on by ourselves, none of
exact we know is a woman if we make this
direct statement, even if a man makes this exact same
direct statement, he'll be like, he's a businessman, he's efficient,
and we will get lumped with she's rude, she's a bitch,
she's got no bedside manner, you know, like and we
know that.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, I do agree, but I think that there is
a way of being efficient without its sounding rude. Like
I think it's fine to just say hi, the person's
name and then get into the context of the email.
I think we do it to ourselves in terms of
the fluffiness. But I mean, going back to this person's question,
it's the antithesis of that. She's saying that people are
not doing the fluffiness like she wants more fluffy. She
wants the fluff, which makes me think, maybe you're doing
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too much fluff. And I don't know if you need
to like moderate your or email sending. I don't think
you need to like, you know, be an asshole or
be rude, but I definitely think you shouldn't be personally
offended by people's efficiencies. I think it's just kind of
the way that the world is going because we do
so much communication by email now, and there's so many
that's being sent that I think a lot of people
just don't have time or can afford the level of
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niceties in their day to day.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I also think that these are people that she works
with on the daily. No stranger, for the first point
of contact is not saying the word high. No one is.
So I think this is people that you deal with daily,
and like, maybe it's a big building and there's always
emails going around. You know who they are, they know
who you are, you know what each other's roles are,
because she said she gets it daily from different people,
So there's not that many people in the world that
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are writing to you for the very first time without
saying hi.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Which makes me be like, I think it's okay if
it's someone you had a prior connection with, it's not
their first time. They're reaching out and they're just asking
for something to be done in that day, Like, brit
do you mind sending me the blah blah blahs that
to me is not personally rude And maybe I'm maybe.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I'm an asshole in emails, but I's reading she said,
which is crazy considering I don't know these people, so
I don't know whether she knows them or not. Is
it dependent on the relationship that you have with the person.
Do you think you need more fluff if you don't
know them?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
But I feel like i've over the years, I have
cut away at some of the fluff because it takes time,
it's not necessary. And does anyone care about someone writing
happy Monday at the start of the email?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Maybe I'm masshole. Please let me know, please don't.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
How do you end the emails though, that's another question.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Walmost you're a warmist, I'm the kindest, but if it's
someone that I know really well, I would never send
a kindest to one of you guys, because that would
just feel so strange.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I shine every email with warmist, and then usually I
need to wind it back. Usually I put a kiss.
I've got to stop doing that because I'm sending that
to a lot of people, an automatic kiss, warmost kiss.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
To people I know, I'm a kiss kiss and people
I don't know. So I might send like a hey,
can you do this? And I'm a kiss kiss, And
then to the people I don't know, I send a
squirret emoji, no water square no to people I don't
know I'm sending. I'm just trying to find an email.
I think I just write thanks. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm
a thanks Comma, Laura. Okay, is that too blunt?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Now? Once again? I used to say like kind regards,
but now it is fine. I think I mean at
least I thank them. Do this.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Thanks could be passag depends on the context, or I
write kindest.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
But that's when I really want something to be done.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I think this girl is perfectly within her right for
just simply requesting a high.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think a high is the bare fucking MIDI movement.
So do I you can? You can start with a greeting. Yeah,
all right, let's let's move around.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Here's one. Okay, here is an email, Laura.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Our records indicate that the attached invoice is now outstanding
as of two days. I've got to pay it. Please
organize payment, any queries, let me know kind regards. And
then their name is that Roote. No organized payment. But
it just said Laura. Didn't say high, just said Laura.
Our records indicate that you were now two days over.
They're not chasing me, they haven't. This is not Origin
who's calling me every day. This is just an invoice.
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I'll pay today.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Because they don't know you, so they don't need to
fluff around.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
They all I know. I think that person is like, Hi,
how's your day been?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
You might paying that invoice for me, thanks sweetie, kind
of like I think efficiencies is underrated.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
We should all be more efficient.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I caon, we've covered the email chat, all right, so
you can give an efficiency all right paragraphs question number three.
I think everyone's going to be on the same I
have the same answer here. Friend asked me not to
be pregnant for her wedding.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
No, that's you should definitely consider your pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I am just wondering if I could get any advice
on this situation that I have just been put in.
I really don't know how I should be feeling. A
bit of a backstory. I am a mum to a
beautiful one year old boy. At the start of the year,
my best friend got engaged and I have been asked
to be her bridesmaid, which I obviously said yes to. Recently,
the bride to be has asked me to make sure
that I am not pregnant for her wedding, which will
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be late next year. Now. She's asked me this because
she said the dresses that she has picked for the
bridal party won't go with a pregnancy so rude. I
am so conflicted, as we had a conversation at the
start of the year about my hopes to have a
second baby next year, so she does know this.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
She yelled that is this an acceptable thing to ask someone?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No, your friend's an asshole.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Your friend clearly doesn't have kids and obviously isn't thinking
about being pregnant herself, because if she did, she would
have a lot more empathy for your situation. I think
it is completely unreasonable. I deeply cannot believe how selfish
she is in saying this to you, even if it
was an off the cuff comment. The fact that you've
raised with her before that you're hoping to have a
baby next year, and then she's now asked you to
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not do.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That because it doesn't go with the dress.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, because it doesn't go with an aesthetic that she
wants for her wedding to know.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
It doesn't go with it, your friend the bride, She
doesn't go with pregnancy, that's what doesn't go.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I would be having a conversation with her and telling
her how deeply hurtful that was that she's prioritizing address
and an aesthetic for her wedding, over what you want
for your life and over what's important to you.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I wouldn't even have a conversation with her. I just
get pregnant. You don't have to have a conversation say hey,
just so you know, I'm thinking of getting pregnant. You
might have to change you dress fu like that.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Just get pregnant.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And if she doesn't want you to be part of
the Bible party, I wouldn't go to the wedding. Yeah,
Like that's the kind of person that she is.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I don't so much mean that you need to have
a conversation around whether you are or aren't going to
get pregnant. I mean so that she understands how deeply
problematic it is what she's asked. I think you're going
to say to her, no, I am going to have
a try and have a baby next year. I hope
I am pregnant at your wedding next year, Like that
would be my dream. And I want you to understand
how what you've asked of me is really inconsiderate and
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really upset me. I think it's more so a conversation
so that she realizes where she's crossed the boundaries.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, but sometimes I mean usually I'm the person that's like, yes,
have this conversation, communications everything. Sometimes I think far out
if we are at a place that we have I
have to explain why that is a problem to someone,
then it's too far gone. Like if you have to
sit down and say, hey, let me explain to you
why you telling me what I can and can't do
with my pregnancy is a problem, I'm like, there is
a mismatch in that relationship, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I had a situation and like one of my really
good friends, it turned out to be amazing because we
did have a conversation about it. So I was pregnant
when she asked me to be her bridesmaid, and she
wanted to get the dress because the dresses were a
specific dress that she really wanted and she was paying
for them, so it was really generous. But I was
like eight months pregnant at the time, and oh maybe
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I was less whatever. It was only going to be
a couple of months after having Maley. I'd never had
a baby before. I had no idea what size I
was going to be post having a baby, impossible to know,
and she was like, I need to buy the dress,
now what size? And I was like, I'm eight months
pregnant that I cannot tell you what size.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I do not know.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I don't know if I'm going to be a ten.
I don't know if I'm going to be twelve. I
don't know if I'm gonna be fourteen. I don't know
if I'm gonna be an eight. I've got no idea.
And we had a bit of a conversation about it,
and I was like, look, I feel like it's an
unfair amount of pressure that you're putting on me to
know what size I'm going to be two months postpartum.
I was like, I understand the dresses are really expensive.
I understand that you're paying for them, but you've chosen
a dress that makes it incredibly hard for me to
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know where I'm going to be in a couple of
months time.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
She was honestly amazing about it.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I expected her to be a little bit more like, well,
this is an inconvenience for me. She bought three different
dresses in three different sizes, and she organized it so
that whatever size I wasn't she was able to return them.
Like she went to such a length to make sure
that I felt comfortable, But that's I feel like that's what.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
A normal friend would do totally.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
But she only did that because we had the conversation.
You got to remember, she'd never had a baby herself before.
I mean, at the end of the day. And I
know that's not the case for everyone because we'd hear
so many Bridezilla stories. But like your wedding or your
friend's wedding should be about sharing the joy of their
relationship with the people they love the most. And if
that means that she has to change the idea of
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what she has for bridesmaid dress that she's chosen a
literal year and a half out from when the wedding is,
then she can get a grip and I think that
she can figure that out if that happens.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I just don't feel as nice about this one. I
just feel like she's not a good friend, Like she's.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Are obsessed with being the main character energy so much
these days that their whole wedding to them is like,
you know, the most important thing that will ever happen.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Completely agree with everything.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You guys are names.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I don't mind them making their wedding about them. It
is about them, that's not the problem here.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The problem is.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That your friend's child about you. That's the problem. The
problem's not making the wedding about you. It is about you, right,
But it's also about not making other people feel uncomfortable
at your wedding and not dictating who can and can't
do what with their life for your wedding.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Also, I would dare say and like, I know that
it's the case for most weddings that people aren't buying,
Like you know, that was really generous of you, brit
It was really generous of my girlfriend that she was
paying for them. But most most bridesmaids have to buy
their own wedding dress, so their own bridesmaid's dress. So
if that's the situation for you, you're being told to
limit your life. You can't have a baby because you
have to fit in this specific thing that she's asking
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you to for. She really does sound like an asshole,
But it's up to you whether you want to have
the conversation with her or not. But absolutely do not
limit your choices or your life because your friend has
been so unreasonable.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I would just go about your life like I would
still be the bridesmaid, but I would go about your
life trying to feel pregnant, and if you fall pregnant,
deal with it when it comes. Like if you tell
her that you're pregnant, and her reaction will be the
telltale sign of whether you're going to even go to
the wedding, whether you go and you're not a bridesmaid,
or whether it's all fine.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Interesting because I reckon it's easy to have a conversation
prior because for what point, Because I think that makes
it easier than if you are pregnant, by being like,
I really want to be pregnant next year, and she
might realize what she said was a real dickish thing
to say. She might not realize how much that impacted you.
And the thing is is you will something that's supposed
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to be really exciting you having a baby. You're going
to feel apprehension telling her, and it's going to take
away from something that will be really wonderful for you
when you are pregnant.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh God, we feel so differently about it for me,
but this is who I am. I get I'm quite
an anxious person with those conversations, confrontation. I don't want
to bring stress into my life unless I have to.
I don't think having this conversation is pointless. You don't
even know if you're going to be pregnant, Like, you
just don't know. So I'm like, well, I start these conversations. Now,
you've already told her you wanted to try. She's told
you how she feels.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Both of you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Go about your life and see what happens. But I
don't think you need to make it into something bigger
now when you actually don't know what, when, why, how,
and bring that stress onto you because you know that
anxiety of like when you have a friend or something
and there's that something's brewing, that anxiety of like do
I say something? Don't I say something? Now I've said
something's going to be awkward every time I see them, like,
I don't know. I just don't reckon. You need to
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invite that in unless it's not going to change anything
for you, You're not going to stop trying.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I actually think it creates more anxiety because now she's
got to buy the dress that she doesn't think.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Is going to fit her.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
She's participating and being active in all the wedding discussions
instead of being upfront about it and minimizing the impact
it has to the bride. Down the track when you're like, hey,
here's the thing I always said I was going to do,
and I actually didn't listen to you, but I know
I went along with everything anyway.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That's me feels like it could be an easy conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Now she can change the dress, or she can say no,
I don't want a pregnant person, and then you know
where you stand.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
You know, it's not a question mark.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
It's just a really easy conversation of like, I know
you asked for this, but I'm going to be pregnant
next year if the stars aligned.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, and if she says she doesn't wan to bring bridesmaids, fucker.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Totally one percent.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I definitely ago on that. My boyfriend doesn't have any money.
Could be a problem, could be fine, whatever, let's figure
it out. My partner and I are both nearing thirty.
We've been together for four years and currently we're living
together for two years. I've always known a rough figure
of his savings, and like vice versa. However, have recently
just discovered that those savings have significantly reduced. We grew
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up very differently, surrounding different finances and savings. They sound
like they have very different relationships with money. He has
lived out of home for ten years, has lived a
whole uni party life, grew up with a single mom,
had a bit of travel thrown in there, and I
lived out a home for twenty five years. I live
with both my parents prior to that and have always
been taught about savings, and I have also traveled a lot.
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I have always had a do not touch account and
have stuck to it and put money towards my future.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
House, travel, kids, etc.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
As that's really important to me, and I proudly have
six figures of saving. He has had a similar account. However,
he withdraws from it. I only recently rediscovered that his
total saving is a four figure number, which is a
lot lower than I expected. This obviously shocked me. I
feel like I'm making more of an effort to plan
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for our future. Can this work out? Will I resent
this and his inability to save even for our future together?
Is this something I can even have a say about?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I still personally always find it really unusual when couples
have been together for a long time and aren't privy
to each other's finances, Like that's just my personal I
understand people want to keep something secret or to themselves
and whatever else. And that's fine, but it always shocks
me when I'm like, you've been together so long and
you're working towards your future and you want to spend
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your life together, but you don't know what each other's
finances are, because I think a big part of working
towards the future is knowing what each other's finances are.
Is making the savings plan, is deciding do you want
to be buying a house, do you want to be
saving for a holiday? Like, what are you working towards
a future together? If you are working towards a future together.
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So I think that for me is the first part
where I'm like, it's interesting, you've only just discovered that
money is a huge reason for people to break up
in life. It's not the number one reason, but I
think it's up there in the top two to three reasons.
Finances are really tricky, and they can build a lot
of resentment if one person feels like that they are
bringing everything and providing everything, and it's okay if you
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earn very different incomes to your partner and they're still
contributing relative to the income and they're saving relatives, So
it might be less than you, but you know they're
putting the same percentage away. But it doesn't sound like
in this sense that you guys are doing the same thing.
It sounds like he's probably maybe a bit like, I
don't want to say, relying on you, but you're probably
a safety in it for him if he's still very
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frivolously spending his money. And that's okay at the end
of the day. He can do what he wants, but
you guys have to align on that because it is
a I think, a very huge problem. If my partner
was not working towards the same things as I am,
and he was expecting me to put the money away,
but he was just spending what he wants. It just
feels different for me, and I think that will be
a bit of a problem if you don't talk about
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it now.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, I have slightly different feelings.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I also have more questions, which I think you can
ask yourself if you're in this situation.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I think you have very.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Specifically shown two different models for how you've been able
to save money. Right, you're only thirty years old. He's
lived out a home for ten years, so since he
was twenty, he's been paying rent for ten years, he
has a single mum. He hasn't relied on his family
for the income or for the savings that he's created
for himself at all. It sounds like he's had a
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lot more expenses than what you have. You've only lived
out a home for five years. You have both parents
who have financially helped you, is what it sounds like
in this situation. So when you say, oh, I lived
out of home for five years, but I've traveled heaps,
I bet you weren't paying rent to your parents. That's
five years of working where you were able to save
your income and you weren't expected to spend it on
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like just living and figuring out finances and all that
sort of stuff. So you have to understand you have
an advantage here in terms of your total earnings and
savings and everything else. You said he lived at the
party lifestyle. It doesn't sound like he's still living the
party lifestyle. So I would question, Okay, well, what is
it that you guys are doing now that is ensuring
you're both working towards your future. It's okay to come
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into relationships with a different amount of money. Maybe he's
actually always had quite a significantly lower amount in savings
than you have. It's just this is the first time
you're hearing about it. You made assumptions about his financial
status potentially, or the question is is he being frivolous?
Is he spending is he going out and playing roadblocks
or spending money on That's.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Just absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Like if he's not doing those things, then I would
say he is working towards your financial future. He just
didn't get the leg up that you got to get started,
and I think you guys can start now. You might
not be able to reprimand him for the fact that
you've got more money than he does, and you shouldn't
want to do that anyway, But what you can do
is have a conversation around Okay, we've been here there
for four years, we live together for two. I'm really
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proactive in terms of savings, what are you doing in
terms of savings, and how can we have something together
that we're mutually growing. But I do think that different
incomes can absolutely still be incredible relationships. I don't think
that money has to be a dividing factor, but you
do have to have open communication about it.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
No, it's the last sentence here, I'm making more of
an effort to plan for our future. Can this work?
Will I resent this and his inability to save even
for our future together? Is it something I can even
have a say about? I think the problem is. And
it's like I said, it doesn't matter if you have
different amounts of money, you know, earn different No couple
earns exactly the same amount to the dollar. It's just
not a thing. There's always going to be somebody that
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earns more. The difference here is how you work towards
your future. And if you think that you're making far
more of an effort to plan for the future and
he is not, it is an issue. Can I have
a say about it?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah? I think you can.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's your life partner. I think you absolutely should have
been talking about what you want to agree, Yeah, like
what you want in the future and how you're going
to get there together, Because when you sit down and
have that conversation, he might say, that's not that important
to me. I want to live in the now. I
want to spend my money on the holidays, and again
that is totally fine. But then it's up to you
to decide if you're in alignment for the same kind
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of a future.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, I totally agree. I think we do agree on this.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I just think I interpreted the middle part of this
question very differently. And I do not think that we
can disregard that if you've lived at home for five
additional years with a double income household, where you haven't
had to pay for stuff. And I also say this
as someone who grew up with a single mom. I
lived at home until I was twenty, and I was
paying for a shit ton. When I was living at home,
I worked a full time job. Yes, I wasn't paying
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my mum rent, but I paid for every single expense.
And from the day I moved out of home at
twenty years old, I have not received a single dollar
from anyone in my family.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
And that is really hard.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Whereas when you come from a family where if you
need a new car, mommy and daddy can help contribute,
or you need money because you want to go out
on the weekend, or you going to Europe and mummy
and daddy gave some money to you, like, that's a
very different financial situation, and there is. I don't want
to undermine what you have saved. You obviously are diligent,
but you can't extrapolate the fact that your parents have
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helped in that environment and that he hasn't had that
same opportunity.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, but he's still thirty. He's a grown man. He
knows how to save if he wants to. He knows
how to work towards the future if he wants to.
And I think that's where the conversation comes from.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
I think it's very much what you said about, like
it kind of depends on what he's been spending things on. Yeah,
you know, it's easy to have a savings account, and
I'm in this position. One of my parents helped me
pay off my hex step. You know, both of us
contributed to that because I didn't want to keep on
paying the inflation that was added to it.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That put me in such a good position.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Like, I think it depends on what he has.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Been spending the money on and why the savings account
isn't as healthy.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I think the only summary to this is making sure
you're on the right page. Now you're thirty years old,
You're not old. You've just entered your thirties. You're exiting
your twenties, which is like the years to be frivolous.
If you're going to be and like, so long as
you're on the same page now and working towards common
goals and have common things together when it comes to
your plan with money, then I think that there is
absolutely a great and viable relationship. It's only if you're
(42:31):
both heading in totally different directions and you one of
your cares and one of you doesn't that it's like, Okay,
that's not really something that's feasible long term, especially if
you want to get married and have kids and all
lots of stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Well, that is it from USK, guys.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
If you have any questions to ask Guncuts, lad on
into the DMS and.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
We'll answer them next week.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Everything is up on youtubees, So if you want to
watch these and like discuss it with your partner figure
out what you guys would do, go and find out
YouTube channel Life and Cut and you can watch them
all there.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I forgot to tell you guys, last week my partner
came home from work and he was like, a really
funny conversation today with someone that I work with. Turns
out his partner makes him watch the US Gun Cut
you juice to discuss it. He had no idea that
you know we were in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
He was just talking.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
They got to a conversation talking about podcasting, and he
was like, oh, I kind of only know this one
that my wife listens to. She puts it on the
TV and makes me like talk about it as well.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Although sometimes it's funny.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And then TOAs was like, hang on, what's the podcast called?
And it was Life on God.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, I thought it was really lovely. But they actually
do that in their in their relationship. Oh I love
that too. Well, guys, please.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Go and make your partner watch these.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
I remember mom day to Doctor Friends and Shad I
love you.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Guess we love them