November 7, 2023 • 50 mins
Joining the podcast today is the newest official member to the Life Uncut family Sam Fischer!
Sam just finished touring around the country and opening our live shows! Not only is he just the BEST & we genuinely have so much love for him but he's also hilarious and a real 'heart' person who shares so openly and makes everyone around him feel safe enough to be vulnerable themselves. Something we learnt about Sam along the tour is that he had a really interesting start to the music world & a complex relationship with his family.
We chat:
- Having a song as big as 'This City' catapult him into the spotlight and then the pandemic hitting
- The pressure to follow up on that success
- Navigating a really complex relationship with his dad
- What led to him eventually cutting contact
- Whether his bad relationship with his dad has affected his want to have kids of his own
- How men can be really self conscious about hair loss/going bald
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lifeun Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
were never seeded. We pay our respects to their elders
past and present.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. Hi, guys, and
welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and we have a banger episode today.
I'm so excited to bring this to you. It's one
of our newest Life on.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cut family members.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And the reason I say that is because it is
Sam Fisher who just came on our national live show
tour with us. He opened every single show He's sung
in the middle of the show. If you guys came
to the tour, you'll know how incredible he was. And
he really has become a part of our family. We
truly truly love him and think he's incredible and this
interview with him today is going to really really surprise
(00:55):
you about the thing Sam opens up about.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If you don't know who Sam Fisher is, here is
the man behind this song.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
The said He's gonna bring Mum, The said he's gonna
love me, live me alone, the said He's got me
jesus uch.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's been a govern months it's about.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like the thing that Sam speaks about in this episode,
and what I was so grateful to him for being
so vulnerable about is him sharing his relationship with his dad.
Sam speaks about his dad being a narcissist, it being
an incredibly toxic relationship, and it's been something that he
has had to come to terms with throughout his adult life.
(01:34):
Sam no longer has a relationship with his father, So
I feel like this is the type of conversation where
if you are somebody who has been navigating challenging relationships
with your parents, you will get so much out of this.
But I think it was really incredible the way he
speaks about when he became an adult and how he
had agency and choice and was able to choose himself
(01:56):
over the toxic relationship with his parents, how valuable that
was to him. Actually, I was on his TikTok the
other day and he has also written some songs around
his relationships with his parents, and I just wanted to
play you a little bit of that here to kind
of set the context of what it is that we're
going to be talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The fight of us.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I'm not that close to my parents. They're on away
from doing all right, joke about I fair as a child,
our force a smile when someone else why but no,
I'm all can't seem to cry and I can't cold
them when the scared who have kids who have my
(02:37):
dad's eyes to say, look at me like you did
all my life. You can't choose your parents, but I'm
better off with the mine.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We also obviously touched on his ridiculous amount of success,
but not just the success, the roads to success and
how it hasn't all been smooth sailing. There's been some
really big highs, been some really big lows, and a
few sort of I want to call them, like behind
the scenes moments that he has had with people that
managed him on his journey, And I feel like it's
(03:10):
one of those evening things where you're like, I wouldn't
have picked that. I wouldn't have thought you would have
had to have gone through that to get where you
are today.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I found it a really fascinating chat.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And one thing he actually touched on was baldness, was
going bald then getting a hair transplant and what that
means and how the stigma attached to that for not
only for a man, but somebody that's also in the
public eye.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Sam is currently on his publicity tour for his new
debut album, which is I Love You Please Don't Hate Me.
We have heard it. It is brilliant and we will
put all the links to that in the show notes
as well. But let's get into the chat.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Sam Fisher finally, Welcome to Life on Cut. I feel
like it's been a long time, hummy.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I was wondering when I was going to get the invite.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I mean, it has taken us to the end of
the tour to find a measly hour.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I played five shows with you guys, six six shows.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah he's counting though, who's counting? Well, seven shows total.
But you didn't really keep it a secret that you
wanted to come on every day. You were like, hey,
you guys want to do the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Now that you know what, you don't get to whasel
out of it because everybody tells us they're embarrassing stories.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, okay. So I had to be a reminder of
this by my guitarist Martin Sweet mart So.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Martin's also on tour with us. He comes to every show.
Martin is like, is.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
The Robinson Batman? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
He is?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He really is.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He's also like kind of like your pa, he's like
your tool organizer at the moment.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
To a daddy, he is my everything. He's my husband,
he's my dad, he's my son.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Do without what you will.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Because we were thinking about like, oh God, like what embarrassing?
So am I going to tell him? He was like, Paris,
you have to tell the Paris story. And I had forgotten,
but clearly it's etched in his mind. Prep Basically, the
golden rule when you're on tour is nobody and you
guys will know this well, but no one shits in
the dressing room.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, which did happen to Life un Cup podcast, The
Mystery Pooh?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeahs. So one thing about me for your audience is
that before every show, and probably you guys do, like
you get butterflies, and you get like a little anxious,
little like excited whatever that manifests for me into like
needing to take it up. Okay, sure, so I know
what's going on inside me. I probably need to drink
Malcolm boocher or like eat macium cheese fer feral awful.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Awful hang from the depths of hell.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah. So we're in Paris on tour and we were
literally like three minutes from going on stage, and I
was like, oh, Marto, like I gotta take it up.
He was like, oh my god, bro okay, fine go.
So I run back. Can't find the bathrooms. There's a
bathroom in the dressing room. Okay, here we go and
breaking the roll I'm gonna take a ship comes out quick,
(05:41):
and I'm like, okay, thank you God, like this show's
gonna be great. I feel light and I look around
for toilet paper and none there and I'm like, oh,
in Paris, like it's bid Day Central, there's no bidet,
you know what I mean. So I text mart and
I'm like, hey, I know we're about gone, but there's
no toilet paper. And he was like okay, so what
(06:04):
do you want me to do about it? And I
was like I kind of need you to find me
some toilet.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I get some dude, please come wipe my ass for me,
wipe my bomb.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So he is like running around trying to find it.
He can't find anything. He finds like kitchen roll, which
is horrific, and I.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Was like, man, like, it's like sand paper.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like sand was like I guess, and he's like, okay, Well,
the option is you either wipe your ass with kitchen
roll or you run up to the restaurant that's above
the venue.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Hang on, just going back in time, what we had
like two minutes left?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
To your face?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Oh wait, we definitely didn't go on on time.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Also, I just need to stop you there. You actually
had to weigh those options up, like you wouldn't wipe
your ass with kitchen roll because you're such a fucking diva.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
No that you were.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, all right, continue, continue.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But it's really painful, Laura. The next time you take
a ship, wipe your ears with kitchen roll. Okay, she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Even use toilet pape, she doesn't have toilet paper.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
In a house.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I just walk over to the shower. So Sam goes
on stage with the bleeding butt.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Right, So no, Actually what I did was, oh well,
I also had to open the door for Martin to
give if it gets or not. And I like open
it a little bit and he's like what is this.
He's like, we're gonna smell it on the stage treasure
room anyway, So I was like, oh my god, find
(07:26):
with like a shitty ass. I like run up to
the restaurant and I'm like having dinner and I'm like fuck,
and so then I.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You would rather put your pants on with ship on them,
go up two flights to a restaurant to find something.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't know how you ship. I don't know if
you have, like ship?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
You ship?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Do you ship?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Sam? Don't you turn this on me? You ship? And
then put your pants back on.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And then amazing, dumpy and my cheeks close over my whole.
I don't know about you, but.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You princess, rather than use kitchen roll.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, but see then I did use kitchen roll. I
just did, so I like, run upstairs, wife, I'm like, okay,
great shows five minutes into it, come back down. We
might as well have evacuated the venue. It was everyone,
and it was kind of another like who took a ship?
Because everyone and we were the opening band, my friend Ash.
(08:27):
Everyone is like, yeah, you didn't what happened? Like who's sick?
I was like, like.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I think a small animal crawl.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Didn't anyone ever find out that you were actually the culprit?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah? Because Marden was like it was Sam. He's just
I was surprising tell the story on stage. So that
was pretty rough.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Literally on your butt.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I'm glad that you have perceived through it. And
it's these moments in life that make us better people.
You know, they built us the character building, they built
us into the person that we're becoming.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I got through with a bleeding butt and it's fine
of you.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Let's cut to the serious stuff. How have you enjoyed
touring with life un cut?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It has been better than a bleeding butthole? Oh wow,
the bar was low? I kidding, it has been incredible.
We've had I feel like we've had the best time.
It's wild that we've only done was the fifth shown,
but we've been onto it for like a month.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
This is why he goes if it feels like it's flying.
We've done two shows, No, we've done seven.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I would really like that to be the review, Like
I really want someone to publish that in the Telegraph
with like three stars, not five, but like three stars
and says better than a bleeding buttthole. That's what I
think the title of this episode should be. That's how
I feel about it. Okay, I want to know I
mean a bit of a backstory. Obviously, you have had
monumental success with this set has got to break Maha
and it's a song that everybody knows it's a household song.
(09:49):
But I feel like not many people or especially our listeners,
might not know your story as to who you are,
where you came from, how you got into music. Can
you give us a little rundown, like the highlight reel
of where you grew up, like what your childhood was
like and how you got into music.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, I think I got into music just out of
like sheer delusion and like arrogance. I was like I
saw someone playing the violin when I was like three,
and I was like, I want to do that. That
was like the gateway in And then we lived out
in Grossvale Encourageong and I went to Hill's Grammar, which
is like in Bulham Hills, which was like an hour away,
and my dad only had like three albums in the car.
(10:28):
It was like a sundance rock compilation album, Whitney Houston's
The Bodyguard Soundtrack and Michael Jackson History Part Two. So
that was what I grew up on for the first
seven eight years of my life. It was those three albums.
And then my mum used to listen to like Enya.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Oh I still love Anya. I haven't thought of Enya
in like twenty years years.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It's amazing, like a flow. Yeah. So that was it.
I was obsessed with it. And then I started writing
songs at like twelve because my parents for like Christmas
bought me a Human Nature album. That was the first
album I'd ever got, and I like rinsed it. I
listened to the whole thing over and over and over,
(11:08):
learned every word to every song, and I was like, Okay,
done with this, want another album. They were like tough shit.
I was like what, but I want new music. And
so I started writing songs so that I could listen
to more songs.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Do you remember your first song?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Used to have that? Would you ever put that down
and record?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I would love to hear what a twelve year old
song was like what you were singing?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It was well, wake up and it was about waking up.
Its about being waking. I'm kidding. It was literally like
physically waking up. The chorus was like the girls is
like wake up, wake up. You know the mornings here,
wake up, wake up? You know this Sunshine's clay, wake up,
wake up? You know? The nat is through wake up,
(11:51):
wake up.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I mean a twelve rold who hasn't had too many
complex things happened to them. That's a fucking banger of
a june that could go on like a kid's.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Nurse, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
No, but you could adapt.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That to make it a kid song.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
No, adapt it for an adult song. Adults have to
wake up too.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh yeah, I love this. Your parents both are doctors,
and then they created an incredibly creative human who maybe
didn't take the path in which they planned for them.
Was that the case for you, Like, did your parents
think that you would move into being academic, especially because
that's where they've come from.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, my mum now says that she would have
loved me to be a doctor. I'm not smart enough
to be a doctor. First of all, I don't know
how I'm that child. But my dad really wanted me
to be a tennis player. And I think his biggest
heartbreak with me was that I was just not good
enough and he hated that, and he hated that I
(12:44):
was doing music. But music was and I was always
in my family, Like my mom's very very musical, and
my little brother's very very talented as well, really musical.
I think they were happy with me being in the
arts doing music, focusing on that when I was growing up,
and then when it got really serious, it was kind
of the oh, like this is actually what you want
(13:06):
to do? Are you sure? Really? My mom was always
championing me, and my dad was awful to me about it,
just a very like toxic human in general. But I
don't know, I feel like every artist has that kind
of push and pull with their family. So I left
Australia for like personal reasons, Like I knew music was
it for me, but my family was going through a lot,
and I thought it was me and so I took
(13:29):
myself out of it and I went to college in Boston.
I went to the Berkeley College Music and like did
that and then songwriting happened there.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And this is the same university that John Mayo went
through as well, So this is like a very highly
regarded and did you have scholarship for this at the time.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, I got a scholarship. Otherwise I wouldn't have
been able to hold it. It's so expensive. I did that,
and a music degree is a music degree wherever you go.
But the people that I got to meet there were incredible,
and like I met Marto there.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
So you're almost paying for the networking.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Kind of Berkeley is amazing. It's great, and I'm very
grateful for it. Don't do me. I don't know. I
think when you get out, like Billie Eilish didn't go
to music school.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, you know what I mean, It's almost like you
can go through these formal educations and you think that
you're going to get spat out with some sort of surety,
and it just doesn't.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's the type of industry where it happens for some
people and it doesn't happen for others. And going through
formal education is not the thing that's going to make
you a superstar totally.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So I moved out to LA in like two thousand
and fourteen, and I just hustled really hard. I had
no money, and I was like lying to my mum
back home being like I'm killing LA. Everything's great while
I'm like sleeping on captures and in my car and stuff.
And I basically would like do cash jobs. So there
(14:47):
was like a meat pie stoor, like an Australian meat
pie shop in downtown LA and I was like a
delivery bray and got paid in cash. So I did
that and with the money that I made there. I
would go to shows and clubs and pubs, and if
anyone said they were remotely in the music industry, I'll
be like, let's hang. I would always get their contact
schedule a meeting with them. It would be like a meal,
so like a lunch or breakfast or dinner, and that
(15:08):
would be how I ate each day. Smart, you know,
I was like, they're going to put on the company,
Like great, if we could.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Make our business meeting a five course deck station or
pizza hut. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But also at this time, why did you feel like
you had to tell your parents that you're killing it?
Like was there not a time where you could say, Okay,
things are rough and I'm working through this and I'm
still working towards my goal. But you really felt like
you had to put on a front for that.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I mean, my mom was going through a heart
and my mom's incredible, but she was going through a
hard time. Like my parents were getting divorced and my
dad was completely out of the picture. We never really
had the family environment where you could kind of like
lean on each other like that, Like I don't think
we started saying I love you to each other until
(15:56):
my dad left and then things got very very real.
We just seen a sick together, they'll get through this
a couple of years and whatever. And then I don't know,
it was like five years of just like hell familiar hell.
I don't know. I didn't want Mum to worry, like
I didn't want anyone to worry. And I think I
really pissed off a lot of people when I left
Australia to go to the US, and I think a
lot of people felt like I was leaving my family behind,
(16:17):
I was going to waste Mum's money, and even my
older brother was furious with me. We've only really like
mended things in the last year or two. I don't know.
I felt I just kind of wanted to protect them
from my like bullshit, and because I always thought I
was kind of the reason why the family dynamic was rough,
I also like it's terrible, But I think proving people
(16:38):
wrong is something that really drives me in life. And
I was embarrassed of struggling that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You told everyone you were going to go and be
this big success and a yeah, and you don't want
to be like I'm delivering pies.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, you don't want to be the bird on your parents.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And like big respect in that hustle. But if I
had said to my mum, like I'm out in LA
and I'm delivering prize and I'm babysitting and I'm sleeping
on couches and in my car and my friend's guy
I didn't have a car, I feel like should have
been like come home. Yeah, And like coming home wasn't
an option for me because it wasn't really like a home.
To go back to.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
This idea of when you wrote This City and how
it got absolutely just catapulted. It was such a household song,
but it's a song that you wrote years prior, and
it was because of social media that that whole dynamic
change and that it kind of became what it was.
Can you talk us through what that period was like
and if you're going from like delivering pies and sleeping
(17:38):
on couches to being like, what the fuck is this
happening on TikTok?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah? I didn't know what TikTok was when This City
took off on it. It was the weirdest thing. So
I signed a record deal in like two thy sixteen.
I wrote This City in twenty seventeen, and that first
record deal was horrible, like insanely abusive of the guy
I was signed to used to call me fat a lot,
(18:03):
used to make fun of my hair. I was so
stressed my hair started falling out. I got a hair
transplant because it was my biggest insecurity. Like my wedding photos,
it's like hard to look at them because I've got
like this big bold spot and shit.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And so he was telling you this because he thought
you needed to change to be more marketable or what
was or was he just a horrible person?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean, you know, he's got his issues. I think
it was a power play. I think it was manipulation,
you know, ways for him to get artists to do
what he wanted them to do instead of what they
wanted to do. And it was like ten months of that.
Every meeting we had would be in his car and
he would drive down the PCH which is like the
coastline of California in Malibu. Because it was in his car,
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he could dictate when it started and when it ended,
and so there were times when it would just be
like his barrage of just like negativity and it's hard
and like I didn't have any music out and in
my head I'm going, well, there's no reason why I
have a record deal because I haven't had any success.
I have no music out this guys taking a chance
on me, so I'm just gonna like Green and Beara.
(19:02):
And then it just got really bad. And I wrote
This City towards the end of that deal, and I
like begged my managers to get him to drop me,
and thankfully he did. The best thing he ever did
for me was drop me. But you know, when I
wrote this City and I send it in like, the
response I got was it's pretty does it? It's pretty period?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Like damn, not much belief in it in the.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Sou And then my manager at the time said, it's
a good song, but it's nothing special. And I have
posted those emails. Ll Well.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I actually love that because it really sends a message,
drives home to people that if you believe in yourself
in something and you are really proud of something, it
doesn't matter what other people think. And this is completely unrelated,
but I always love this example of JK. Rowling in
Harry Potter and she wrote those series of books and No.
One twelve publishers laughed in her face and was like,
(19:53):
it's absolutely rubbish. No one's going to take it. But
she's like, I knew it was a good book. She
kept going this with the biggest book of all time,
and I've done. It's the same for artists when they
they know something is great, you can't necessarily go and listen.
When someone goes it's a piece of shit, you're like, well,
imagine if you just took that advice and thought, oh cool,
it's pretty, I'll better start again.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
What's crazy is that that song really didn't come out,
like because I was at a position mentally where like
I had lost myself, like I didn't know what was good,
what wasn't good. I just had no idea, And so
getting that response, I was like, oh well, but I
like singing it. So I would sing it at shows
and it was the one song people kept being like,
what is that song? Where can I find it? I'm like,
it's not out, like I don't know, and so I
(20:33):
get dropped. And then six months later I put out
this EP called not a Hobby and originally this City
wasn't on it, and my friend Kenny Bless Kenny, he
said to me I played in the EP, and he
was like, where's this city? And I was like, I
don't know if I want to put that out, like
no one like liked it, And he's like, what are
you talking about? It's the only song people remember.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
The one, but where do you?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I think it's one thing to say that you know,
it's amazing when you have this belief and you know
it's and you keep going. But I think that often
when you're told something's not good, you believe that it's
not good. You believe that you're not good. How do
you find the resilience and also the determination to keep
going when you have all these people who are in
power telling you that you don't have what it takes.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, delusion. No, I mean, I'm very lucky to have
an amazing partner. She was my rock so the whole thing,
and she's right about everything. And I don't know, like
Aaron and her whole family just had this very strange,
like blind faith in me. I don't understand it. I
(21:37):
was like, you're really backing like this foreign artist dude
who's like dating your daughter.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
What it's interesting that you're saying they don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
The first thing I thought of then was I think
it's pretty normal for like a normal, loving, tight knit
family to have that kind of blind faith and support. Yeah,
And I feel like, maybe we know that you didn't
necessarily have that, so when you got given that from
somebody else, you couldn't understand why on earth they were
But it's because they were like, cool, you're part of
our family.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Now we love you, and.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like go get you drink.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah. There were just so many kind of things that happened,
Like when This City came out, I'd been dropped, I
was independent, and it was basically like I'd written two
hundred songs in the year that I was signed there
and I hadn't put any of them out. And I
think as artists, validation is a big thing for us,
Like when people say like, hey, that was a great episode,
or like hey the live show is like changing my life.
(22:32):
It feels good. It just totally it does. It's totally
human reaction to be like great, oh, keep going, you know,
I'll keep going. And so Kenny saying like did you
have to put that song in the AP? I was like, okay,
So there was a song, the song that This City replaced.
This is so cringe, but wake up. It was called
(22:56):
the motherfucking liar song was it, and it was like, yeah,
mother fucking it was cooler, but yeah, I took that
off and put this City on and it was the
fourth single of my four song EP, and I thought,
I'm gonna put this out and I'm just gonna be
a songwriter, which is amazing and like, you know, songwriters incredible.
It was never gonna be enough for me, but like
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that was cool with me, and it came out. And
when it came out, the release got like bungled and
my distributor like uploaded it two days late. We got
no playlisting, but Lewis Capaldi and Megan Trainer posted it
and then oh it was wild and like fast forward
a bunch. Like in the first year it did four
million streams, and I was toughed. I was lately, I've
(23:38):
got four million streams, and then the second year it
did two hundred million.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So what happened. You're someone who didn't know what TikTok was,
and all of a sudden, you're a trending sound on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, okay. So it was March of twenty nineteen and
I'm sitting around in my little shitty apartment and I
get this message from a creed and they lead the
fourth He's still he's massive on TikTok and it's this message.
I was like, hey, bro, like, I don't know if
this is you or not, but She've got no fault
(24:09):
of yeah. I was like, and he was like, I
think this is your song. And I don't know if
you know of this new app called TikTok, but it's
the biggest song on this app. And I was like,
and I said, what are you thinking about? The streams
had started going from like a thousand a day to
like ten thousand to thirty thousand, and we couldn't figure
(24:30):
out why. And I was like, it's just a great song.
Everyone loves it. But on the YouTube video I was
getting comments that were like hear from TikTok and so
my head, I'm like Kasha, like Kesha must have said.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Something, oh Kesh TikTok.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
On the back, you know what I mean. I had
no idea what was going on, And.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Well I knew Laura didn't understand what you were like,
what are you talking about? Had the TikTok?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So I was like, okay, so I download TikTok and like,
I click on this link he'd sent me and the
sound had three hundred thousand videos on it. Didn't know
what that meant, but I was like, oh my god,
and I called my manager and I was like, bro,
like it's happening. It's going on, or something's happening, and
I was like but at the same time, I was like,
I've gone viral and no one knows it's me, and
(25:21):
no one knows the song title. Well, like what the
fuck am I supposed to do? And so we at
the time, only major label artists could have songs on TikTok,
so I was independent. I was like, how are we
going to do this? We had to like beg them
to put just like the chorus up and just hope
it went viral again. And then it did, and like
it was this crazy chain of events, like this city
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was gone nuts on TikTok and then Lewis ca Pality
messages me on Instagram and he's like, hey, come open
for me on my US tour.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I was like, oh my god, So I did that,
and like he's the homie and he really like put
me in front of the whole industry. And then you know,
the day after the final show of the tour, this
city got its first playlist just pop rising on Spotify,
and then it was on that for like six months,
and then later it was wild. So Aaron and I
got married June first, and Aaron sing's backgrounds for me
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and get married in first. June second, we fly out
to DC to start to with Lewis, and then June
like thirteen, we got our first playlist, and on June fifteen,
I flied in New York for label meetings and then
it was just like it was on Mannik for a
long time, and I got the taste of the new
like it boy for a second. And then fast forward
(26:31):
to like March of twenty twenty, and I booked Ellen
and Corden and Kimmel and the Nile Horn tour around
the US and all these like crazy amazing things are happening,
and the pandemic answered it at all.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh my gosh, what was like the whole world was
at your fingertips and it was starting because you were
booking all these things and people were knowing you and
you were going viral. And then I mean, we know
that when the pandemic happened, we know what happened your life. Yeah,
but it's sort of I don't want to say crumbled,
that's the wrong word, but it got put on pause
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your momentum, which I think a lot of artists need
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's really important.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Your momentum was stopped in its track totally.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
What is it like, though, when you become known for
one massive hit and then there's this pressure that you've
got to keep chasing and keep achieving that next huge hit,
Like what is that like for you?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I don't know. I love being the guy that sings
this City, love that, but I think like there's so
much more to me, and I think a hit nowadays
is so it's interesting because the landscape has totally changed.
I definitely felt a lot of pressure to deliver a
follow up, and like, you know, I was lucky to
have what other people say with Emi Lovado, I don't know,
(27:47):
I think this City being the most like organic hit
or whatever. There was no trend. It was just people
like the song and we're using it for their videos,
and I don't know. I think that kind of pressure
is self inflicted and I try not to do that
to myself because I know that it was like a
(28:07):
one in a million thing that happened. I think for me,
I would just like the opportunity to tour like I
would love those touring opportunities to come back to me.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Would you want us to open for you on your tour?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, I'm ready, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Like I'll do it like a stand up piece, or
like a comedy or like a sex thing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I'll happily tell a story about creeping myself again. It's fine. Yeah,
it's like me do that has the opening.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
To Sam's opened a punch a pillow into.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
The vagina, it gets stuck there as well.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So this City was written about your experience being in
La Can you, and I mean for anyone who doesn't
know the lyrics, this city is going to break my heart.
This city is going to love me and leave me alone.
I think when I first heard it and didn't pay
attention to the lyrics, I thought it was a love song.
And then when I actually listened to it properly and
paid attention to what you were saying it your relationship
(29:01):
with the place and how it was affecting you. Can
you talk us through that time in your life.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So at that time, I was coming to the end
of my first record deal and I was miserable and
I had just gone to this like EP release party
in silver Lake, which anyone who doesn't know, it's kind
of like the new Town I guess of LA, but
it's like Newtown on like so many steroids. And I
rocked up in clothes I thought were cool and I
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got there and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I'm not cool.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'm not cool, I don't belong here what And then
I just kind of left, like very like discouraged. And
the next morning I didn't want to go to the session.
I was like pissed off. I just want to like
stay home and get high and like not be inside
my mind. And Aaron was like, get the hell out
(29:49):
of the house, go write music, and so I did
and I got the studio. I was in a foul mood.
Just everything was bad, Like I had no money, I
was signed to this guy that was just treating me
like crab. Yeah, just things were falling apart everywhere and
it was affecting everything, my friendships, my relationship, just like
(30:10):
my own self worth. Like it was that, like it
was just piss poor. And yeah, I got there and
I have a voice member of the session and the
guys I was writing it with Jimmy Robbins and Jackson Morgan.
They were writing this kind of other thing over the
like the City Cords, and I'm sitting there writing like
I haven't sell you the only Baby in Crowded, and
it's like it gives me chills, like listening to the
(30:30):
voice moment because it's I sit there and then I go, hey, guys,
I really like the guitar part, but I don't love
what you're writing. But I did write this, and then
we started writing the City, and I don't know. It
was one of those things where like I knew it
was a good song, but at the time, I think
I didn't care about anything. I think I was so
(30:50):
low and this City was almost like my cry for help.
I don't know, maybe the label will hear it and
be like, oh, he's like not doing okay. They didn't. Oh,
so it was like, fine.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Like I've booked you in for your hair transplants, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I was like we were in the lift the other
day and you were like, I got to go and
get my hair stuff, and you touched on it that
you had hair that I want to know because we
have a lot of questions that come in from like
we had one literally the other week. I think we
underestimate what a point of self conscious like hair can
be for men. It's kind of like what weight is
for women, or what skin can be for you when
(31:26):
you were like I think I'm fucking boulding. What did
that do to your self confidence?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Shattered it? Hair is everything to men. I don't think
it's talked about enough. I think that it's like not commonplace.
When I started losing my hair, and I started losing
it in my mid twenties, I didn't think anything of
it until someone pointed it out. And the way it
was pointed out was so brutal, like someone was making
fun of me. It hurt, Like it hurts even like
(31:54):
thinking about it, but like it just it's such a
blow to your self confidence. I don't have my hair
stuff in now. Why I'm wearing my hat? I am
so afraid of the public seeing my like bald head.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's so interesting to me because I think that for
so long it's been a point of something that people
feel okay to make a joke about because it's not
talked about how much it is actually an insecurity And
so then you just have to be like, yeah, ah,
fucking funny. I don't care. I don't I don't feel
self conscious about this, but I actually think it's so
fucking cool and refreshing to hear you speak about it
and be honest and not be like there's no secrecy
(32:27):
around the fact that it's something that was an insecurity
that you went and did something about it, which so
many people do, but they do it under the guys
of like, huh, just a miraculously group guys so thick
and luscious.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Now I paid too much.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
About it, But what do.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You mean you don't have your hair stuff in now
if you've got a hair transplant. So did a hair
transplant work or do you have to put extra stuff
in the transplant?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
So it worked and to a point like I'm probably
going to have to get a second one. It's not
like full thickness, thickness lushious, you know what I mean?
So I use these things called fibers, and like topic is.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I've seen that as recently you would never fucking believe them,
like Sam showing me that before and then and I
was like, I'm shook.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It to my care send me the phose if you
want to include it in the episode. You totally can
like before and after of it. In general, like insecurity
when it comes to like men's bodies that isn't talked
about that much. I think women have it way worse
in the media and stuff like being a female entertainer, performer,
artist is I really feel for you guys When that's
howt of being pointing out to me and I was
(33:29):
being called fat as well, it was just I was like, Okay, well,
I find like I got to a point where I
finally had the means to do something about it, and
so I did, and like really like I paid too
much money to keep it silent. I was like, this
is like I'm going to tell people. And like the
response I got when I was like, hey, guys, like
I'm having a hair transplant was beautiful, Like so many
men were like thank you for talking about this, and
(33:51):
it's so not everyone has hair, and like bolding.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Is so totally and like people get botox, get rid
of wrinkles, people get hair transplants to get hair, Like
it's it's just part and past.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
The work I've had done and I don't know, it's
just I support her, encourage it. I think like do
what you need to do to feel good, and like
that's it.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Sam, you.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean we touched on it earlier and it felt
too premature to get into it. But when you've spent
all your life working towards a goal that you're really
proud of and that you want to be able to
share it with the people who should be proud of you,
like your parents, and be able to say like, fuck,
look I've come to LA and now look what I'm doing,
Like look at this and look at all the things
they've achieved. That you have a fractured relationship with your parents,
(34:36):
how did you navigate that part? Were you able to
share it not just with your mum, but were you
able to share your successes with your dad as well?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
No? No, I think I got to a point where
I didn't want to anymore with my dad. My mom absolutely,
she's always really happy. So she doesn't understand it all
what I do, but she's really happy for me.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Laura's dad thinks we have a odd book, So how's
your pord book going?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Did we get that?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah? Well, Mom, like I think she felt like she
had to like really step it up, so she learned
everything she could about ed cheering. Now she knows absolutely
everything about Ed Seeran's career and so well, I'm like, well, adjacent, close,
but one day you'll get to me. But no, I
think with my dad, my dad came from a very
(35:24):
strange family. He always said to us that he was
like the black sheepe of his family. And I think,
I don't know. I don't know why he had an
issue with me, you know, apparent coin to my mom.
He didn't pick me up till I was two. He
like had a huge issue with me being like a
flamboyant guy and I was in musical theater, but I
(35:44):
was also this athlete, and so he was like an athlete,
like cool, let's do that. And then when I was like, no,
I don't want to do that new music, he kind
of I don't know, he just like stopped engaging with
me and was very like quick to anger and would
make fun of me forocusing on music and playing violin,
and he just wasn't a champion at all for me.
(36:05):
And so no, I don't share any any of it
with him. We didn't talk for years, and then he
heard the city on the radio in Canada, because he
lives in Canada now. And he messaged me from an
anonymous Facebook profile and he just said, just heard you
on the radio in Canada. It looks like this music
thing's working out.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Oh And I was like cool, did you respond?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, that's the thing. It's so messed up. But like
I in my head was like okay, like he's still
your dad, like respond. And it wasn't until probably like
five years ago when I cut him off. That was
me choosing myself.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
It must feel like well, and it was. It must.
It's not that it feels like it is.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He came back into your life when it suited him
because you were successful and maybe you were something that
he could quote unquote be proud of and brag about
now because you weren't a struggling artist and you were
someone that, you know, if he heard you on the radio,
it's a bit of a flex, you know, to other
people in his life.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I mean, you know, he just had an issue with me.
I don't know what it was. He has a very
different relationship with my brothers or he had. My brothers
don't speak to my mother. But he basically to get
like real intense when my parents' relationship broke down. I
had just moved to England. I was on my gap year.
I'd been there for three weeks and I found out,
you know, he'd had this big affair and just everything
(37:25):
was like fucked. And the day after I found out,
he calls me and I saw the phone ringing, and
I was like, okay, hear him out. He's still your dad,
like you.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Know, people make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Whatever, and I pick up the phone and I was like,
fuck you, you ruined us, and he goes, well, Sammy,
I wasn't gonna say this, but if you hadn't been
doing all these extra curricular things taking your mom away
from me, maybe we could have spent more time together
and worked relationship. And I was like, he's saying that
(38:03):
me like playing sport and doing music, like drove you
to fucking other women and doing all this. And he
was like, well, I didn't say that, you said that,
but wow. And I was like wow. And I was
eighteen at the time, and it just like I spiraled
so heavy.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
But even so, even when you go through these periods
like unbelievably complex relationships with parents, often so many of
us who have experienced challenging times with their parents still
want to forgive, you still want to work through it,
because like, coming to the ultimate decision to cut your
parent off is such a fucking huge decision. And I
(38:41):
say this because like, I have people in my life
who I love deally who have no relationship with some
of their parents, and coming to that decision takes years
of unchanged behavior by them, And it also takes you
becoming an adult yourself and realizing that you can choose yourself.
When was it that you decided and how did you decide? Okay,
(39:01):
I'm nothing's going to change here. I'm done.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Five years ago on my birthday, I which is July fifth,
So happy birthday.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I mean that was ages ago.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Okay, we missed it.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I'll never miss it again.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah. It was on my birthday and Aaron had organized
this like great staycation in downtown LA and we were
going to like the Shawn Mendes show, and we were
just having drinks on the roof with a bunch of
friends and I get this text from my dad saying, Hey, Sammy,
I've had a stroke. And I was like, oh my god,
and I responded straight away, and we hadn't talked in
(39:43):
a long time. I responded straight away, and I was like,
oh my god, Dad, Like are you okay? Like where
are you? Where do I need to fly? Like I'll
go in a fly straight away, and he goes, well,
I would have hoped your older brother would have told you,
but I was in hospital for two months, and then
I was in physical therapy for seven months. And I
was like, so, you had a stroke nine months ago
(40:04):
and you're deciding to tell me today on your birthday birthday?
He said something like you know, you wouldn't have cared
anyway or some shit, and like all just like very
like hurtful, passive aggressive things, and I kind of took
a step back and I was like holy and I
had like kind of a just a fucking breakdown because
I was like, this dude used his stroke to like
(40:27):
emotionally manipulate me again. And I responded straight away and
like it was the most just maniacal, like sociopathic bullshit.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Do you think your dad is a narcissistic And I say, oh,
yeah yeah, and like textbook Well, I say this because
we're literally about to do an episode. We've just done
one on narcissism in romantic relationships. But I think we
so underestimate how impactful narcissism with a parent can be,
and then you know the teachings of dealing with narcissism
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is that you need to separate yourself from them because
you're never going to be able to achieve a harmonious relationship.
But that's almost impossible when it's your parents unless you
make the decision to completely cut contact with them.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
That happened that year, and then a couple other things happened,
like he on my little brother's birthday, he messaged me,
I'm also the only one I have two brothers, I'm
the only kid that he has the phone number of.
So he messaged me to ask if I would pass
on a happy birthday message to Gabe, and Gabe cut
them off straight away when he left, and I was like, no,
(41:33):
I'm not going to do that, Like that would be
traumatic for Gabe. So no. And then on my older
brother's birthday, he texted me to say, hey, can you
say happy birthday to Nick? And I was like also no.
I was like you don't. You don't say your birthday
to me, but you asked me to say every birthday
to my brothers. And then I went to his Facebook
wall and on his header picture it was a photo
of him with my brothers. And on his wall there
(41:56):
were two posts and it was a happy birthday message
to my older brother and a happy Birthday message to
my younger brother. And I was like, I don't exist
to this dude, and I'm the only one who has
kept him in contact, and like, just over it. And
so a couple months later in it was Christmas and
I was in DC, Northern Virginia with Aaron's family, and
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he messaged me saying, like, have a good Christmas or something,
and I was like, I responded and I said thanks Dad,
and he goes, oh, it's nice of you to respond
for once, and I was like, you know what, And
so I sent him this whole Aaron, she really like
helped me. She's amazing with words. She crafted this really
(42:40):
a direct message of our relationship as it stands right
now is just totally self serving. And I don't know
what you want from me because it's clearly not a relationship,
because if you did want a relationship, it would be
more than two texts a year, and those two texts
being say, happy birth thirty brothers. And I was like, mate,
(43:00):
like seek help, seek, a therapist. But as for us,
like we're done. I said to him, you know, you
chose yourself ten years ago, and I am now choosing
me because life is too hard, it's too short, and
for me, like chosen, family is everything, and I have
(43:21):
incredible friends who I can lean on. And I think
the whole blood is thick and the water thing is
weird for me.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
It's what we get taught though, right like, And it's
a great idea if you come from a household where
your relationships are strong and they're built on foundations of
love and respect and mutual love and respect. Just because
you are the child if someone doesn't mean that you
are not worthy of the same respect in which you're
expected to give to your parents. But I just wanted
to say, like, I appreciate so much you sharing that
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part of your life, because I think as kids who
don't have relationships with their parents, there can be a
lot of not that's a shame or guilt, but like
a lot of people think, well, you might grow up
to regret it, or you might change your mind when
time runs out. But it takes such a strong sense
of self and such a strong sense of self preservation
to be hurt over and over and over again by
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your parents, and then make the decision that you're going
to cut them from your life because it's an abusive relationships.
There's this constant expectation that maybe they will change, so
I'll give them more chances, And it takes so much
strength to make that choice, and very few people do.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Do you feel like your complex relationship with your dad
has impacted your desire to have children or impacted the
way you go into a relationship Now, I don't say
go into it like you're going into any one, your
relationship in general with your wife Erin.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, I think I get anxiety whenever I like say
something or do something that reminds me of my dad,
And it's like a subconscious thing where like I'll say
something it's like shivers and we're, oh my god, that
sounded like him. I think in a way talking to
Maddie about this, like, I think in a way, it
motivates you to be the dad that you wish you
had had. And you know, Aaron and I one day
(45:09):
the plan is to have kids. I think, who knows,
but I'm excited about it, Like I definitely am nervous
that you know history will repeat itself in the I
don't know, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
But there is no part of you that would ever be.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I even like your dad, you know, I just you
know the things my dad said to me when I
was like six. So I have four nephews and a niece,
and they're just like the light of our world. And
two of them are six. And seeing a six year
old and seeing how innocent they are and how like
sweet and just like wide eyed at the world, the
(45:44):
thought of saying or like yelling at them or bullying
them is so feels so deeply evil. Oh my god,
I get like really like frustrated with it, especially when
I drink gin. I get the gin crazies. And we
were talking about it once that was like, but it
(46:07):
just I don't know. So yeah, like I'm excited to
have kids. I think, I hope I'll be a good dad.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
It's not scared you off them. It's motivating to be better.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
It's not scared me. Look like Aaron is the one
who has to have the kids. Like it's when she says, hey,
let's have kids, like say, okay, let's do it, let's
do it.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I mean, it's so true, though, what you said this
idea that like people repeat behavior, but when you're so
conscious of the behavior, you go the complete opposite end
of the spectrum. And for Matt, and that's kind of
who I was alluding to. Matt doesn't have a relationship
with his dad. Some people might know that, some people
might be surprised by that, but it made him be
a fucking amazing dad because he had the same revelation.
(46:45):
He was like, I just don't understand, now that I
have my own how it could have ever been the
way that it was. It makes no sense. And so yeah,
I don't think you ever have to worry that it's
gonna something's gonna just click in you and you're gonna go, Okay.
You know, I have this pent up nacissis and that's
just been waiting to unleash itself totally.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah. No, oh my god, My narcissism comes out every
day at my job.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
So no, that's just called being an extrovert.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
That's not narcissism.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
They're very different.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
It's just been a performer, right like, and so many performers,
so many people I know, actors, singers, podcasters, people on
stage are very different to who they are off stage,
Like some of the biggest personalities I know are not
that big off the stage, sure, and so I think
it's something that it's not necessarily narcissism or cockiness, but
it's a part of your character totally.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
But I think for me, like the whole thing with
my dad, the really tough part is it's really affected
just any relationship that I have with any men who
are in positions of authority in my life. And it's
been this pattern. So like my dad, the first guy
I was sawn to, the last manager I had, Like,
(47:54):
there have been all these men in my life who
have put me into this headspace where I have to
really try and get their approval and it's just been
so detrimental, and so I have a hard time connecting to.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Other men like validation seeking kind of.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, I almost feel like a code switch sometimes when
I'm around guys that I'm not totally comfortable with.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
What do you mean code switch?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I don't know. If you talk to like a guy
who's very like bloky, that sometimes makes me a little
uncomfortable and so I'll get blokey with them. And that's
what I mean by like code switching. I'm like I
can hang, I can talk sport, I can talk.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Like I'm a manly, masculine guy.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Like it's so toxic. None of my close friends are
like that at all, and it's only when I'm in Also,
like business people like you know, like you.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Can feel yourself be a chameleon.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Who absolutely it's a weird thing that I do and
I wish I didn't, but like, it's just being comfortable people.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
It's a protection mechanism that people use, right, Like it
keeps you safe, and it's something that you learn as
a kid. This is a lot of therapy speak, but
if you're someone who has been in a relationship with
someone where you're frightened or you're feel intimidated, it is
a literal a coping mechanism to become the most likable
version that they will like. And then you learn to
do that in other areas of your life and it
serves you well, it works, and so then you take
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that into your adulthood. And it takes someone who's done
a lot of work on themselves to get to a
point where they even recognize that they're doing that when
they're in different social situations. Most of us just look
at it and go yeah, I'm a social chameleon, but
actually it's just someone who doesn't know who they are
in their core right totally.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, and that was a long term.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
Who are you? Sam?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Who's Sam Fisher the.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Guy that sings This City?
Speaker 5 (49:34):
Sam? We absolutely love you.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
You are now an official part of the Life Uncut
family and I feel like you're going to be stuck
with us for the rest of eternity.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I love your new album is dropping December one. What's
it called?
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I Love You Please Don't Hate Me?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I love It's a great song. Also, you've just done
an amazing co lab with guys Sebastian as well, which
is amazing.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Congratulations. I hope that we get the first signed copy
you will. That was Yeah, that was I left that.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
That was so that you were were going to get
you guys merch.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
Yes, you're a legend.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Guys, go and listen to Sam all of his songs,
not just This City because he has a hundred different
bangers anywhere that you can literally get music, and don't
forget to get his album December one. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
Love for a Rob
Lifeun Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
were never seeded. We pay our respects to their elders
past and present.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. Hi, guys, and
welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and we have a banger episode today.
I'm so excited to bring this to you. It's one
of our newest Life on.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cut family members.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And the reason I say that is because it is
Sam Fisher who just came on our national live show
tour with us. He opened every single show He's sung
in the middle of the show. If you guys came
to the tour, you'll know how incredible he was. And
he really has become a part of our family. We
truly truly love him and think he's incredible and this
interview with him today is going to really really surprise
(00:55):
you about the thing Sam opens up about.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If you don't know who Sam Fisher is, here is
the man behind this song.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
The said He's gonna bring Mum, The said he's gonna
love me, live me alone, the said He's got me
jesus uch.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's been a govern months it's about.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like the thing that Sam speaks about in this episode,
and what I was so grateful to him for being
so vulnerable about is him sharing his relationship with his dad.
Sam speaks about his dad being a narcissist, it being
an incredibly toxic relationship, and it's been something that he
has had to come to terms with throughout his adult life.
(01:34):
Sam no longer has a relationship with his father, So
I feel like this is the type of conversation where
if you are somebody who has been navigating challenging relationships
with your parents, you will get so much out of this.
But I think it was really incredible the way he
speaks about when he became an adult and how he
had agency and choice and was able to choose himself
(01:56):
over the toxic relationship with his parents, how valuable that
was to him. Actually, I was on his TikTok the
other day and he has also written some songs around
his relationships with his parents, and I just wanted to
play you a little bit of that here to kind
of set the context of what it is that we're
going to be talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The fight of us.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I'm not that close to my parents. They're on away
from doing all right, joke about I fair as a child,
our force a smile when someone else why but no,
I'm all can't seem to cry and I can't cold
them when the scared who have kids who have my
(02:37):
dad's eyes to say, look at me like you did
all my life. You can't choose your parents, but I'm
better off with the mine.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We also obviously touched on his ridiculous amount of success,
but not just the success, the roads to success and
how it hasn't all been smooth sailing. There's been some
really big highs, been some really big lows, and a
few sort of I want to call them, like behind
the scenes moments that he has had with people that
managed him on his journey, And I feel like it's
(03:10):
one of those evening things where you're like, I wouldn't
have picked that. I wouldn't have thought you would have
had to have gone through that to get where you
are today.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I found it a really fascinating chat.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And one thing he actually touched on was baldness, was
going bald then getting a hair transplant and what that
means and how the stigma attached to that for not
only for a man, but somebody that's also in the
public eye.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Sam is currently on his publicity tour for his new
debut album, which is I Love You Please Don't Hate Me.
We have heard it. It is brilliant and we will
put all the links to that in the show notes
as well. But let's get into the chat.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Sam Fisher finally, Welcome to Life on Cut. I feel
like it's been a long time, hummy.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I was wondering when I was going to get the invite.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I mean, it has taken us to the end of
the tour to find a measly hour.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I played five shows with you guys, six six shows.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah he's counting though, who's counting? Well, seven shows total.
But you didn't really keep it a secret that you
wanted to come on every day. You were like, hey,
you guys want to do the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Now that you know what, you don't get to whasel
out of it because everybody tells us they're embarrassing stories.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, okay. So I had to be a reminder of
this by my guitarist Martin Sweet mart So.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Martin's also on tour with us. He comes to every show.
Martin is like, is.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
The Robinson Batman? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
He is?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He really is.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He's also like kind of like your pa, he's like
your tool organizer at the moment.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
To a daddy, he is my everything. He's my husband,
he's my dad, he's my son.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Do without what you will.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Because we were thinking about like, oh God, like what embarrassing?
So am I going to tell him? He was like, Paris,
you have to tell the Paris story. And I had forgotten,
but clearly it's etched in his mind. Prep Basically, the
golden rule when you're on tour is nobody and you
guys will know this well, but no one shits in
the dressing room.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, which did happen to Life un Cup podcast, The
Mystery Pooh?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeahs. So one thing about me for your audience is
that before every show, and probably you guys do, like
you get butterflies, and you get like a little anxious,
little like excited whatever that manifests for me into like
needing to take it up. Okay, sure, so I know
what's going on inside me. I probably need to drink
Malcolm boocher or like eat macium cheese fer feral awful.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Awful hang from the depths of hell.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah. So we're in Paris on tour and we were
literally like three minutes from going on stage, and I
was like, oh, Marto, like I gotta take it up.
He was like, oh my god, bro okay, fine go.
So I run back. Can't find the bathrooms. There's a
bathroom in the dressing room. Okay, here we go and
breaking the roll I'm gonna take a ship comes out quick,
(05:41):
and I'm like, okay, thank you God, like this show's
gonna be great. I feel light and I look around
for toilet paper and none there and I'm like, oh,
in Paris, like it's bid Day Central, there's no bidet,
you know what I mean. So I text mart and
I'm like, hey, I know we're about gone, but there's
no toilet paper. And he was like okay, so what
(06:04):
do you want me to do about it? And I
was like I kind of need you to find me
some toilet.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I get some dude, please come wipe my ass for me,
wipe my bomb.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So he is like running around trying to find it.
He can't find anything. He finds like kitchen roll, which
is horrific, and I.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Was like, man, like, it's like sand paper.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like sand was like I guess, and he's like, okay, Well,
the option is you either wipe your ass with kitchen
roll or you run up to the restaurant that's above
the venue.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Hang on, just going back in time, what we had
like two minutes left?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
To your face?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Oh wait, we definitely didn't go on on time.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Also, I just need to stop you there. You actually
had to weigh those options up, like you wouldn't wipe
your ass with kitchen roll because you're such a fucking diva.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
No that you were.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, all right, continue, continue.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But it's really painful, Laura. The next time you take
a ship, wipe your ears with kitchen roll. Okay, she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Even use toilet pape, she doesn't have toilet paper.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
In a house.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I just walk over to the shower. So Sam goes
on stage with the bleeding butt.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Right, So no, Actually what I did was, oh well,
I also had to open the door for Martin to
give if it gets or not. And I like open
it a little bit and he's like what is this.
He's like, we're gonna smell it on the stage treasure
room anyway, So I was like, oh my god, find
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with like a shitty ass. I like run up to
the restaurant and I'm like having dinner and I'm like fuck,
and so then I.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You would rather put your pants on with ship on them,
go up two flights to a restaurant to find something.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't know how you ship. I don't know if
you have, like ship?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
You ship?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Do you ship?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Sam? Don't you turn this on me? You ship? And
then put your pants back on.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And then amazing, dumpy and my cheeks close over my whole.
I don't know about you, but.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You princess, rather than use kitchen roll.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, but see then I did use kitchen roll. I
just did, so I like, run upstairs, wife, I'm like, okay,
great shows five minutes into it, come back down. We
might as well have evacuated the venue. It was everyone,
and it was kind of another like who took a ship?
Because everyone and we were the opening band, my friend Ash.
(08:27):
Everyone is like, yeah, you didn't what happened? Like who's sick?
I was like, like.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I think a small animal crawl.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Didn't anyone ever find out that you were actually the culprit?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah? Because Marden was like it was Sam. He's just
I was surprising tell the story on stage. So that
was pretty rough.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Literally on your butt.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I'm glad that you have perceived through it. And
it's these moments in life that make us better people.
You know, they built us the character building, they built
us into the person that we're becoming.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I got through with a bleeding butt and it's fine
of you.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Let's cut to the serious stuff. How have you enjoyed
touring with life un cut?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It has been better than a bleeding butthole? Oh wow,
the bar was low? I kidding, it has been incredible.
We've had I feel like we've had the best time.
It's wild that we've only done was the fifth shown,
but we've been onto it for like a month.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
This is why he goes if it feels like it's flying.
We've done two shows, No, we've done seven.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I would really like that to be the review, Like
I really want someone to publish that in the Telegraph
with like three stars, not five, but like three stars
and says better than a bleeding buttthole. That's what I
think the title of this episode should be. That's how
I feel about it. Okay, I want to know I
mean a bit of a backstory. Obviously, you have had
monumental success with this set has got to break Maha
and it's a song that everybody knows it's a household song.
(09:49):
But I feel like not many people or especially our listeners,
might not know your story as to who you are,
where you came from, how you got into music. Can
you give us a little rundown, like the highlight reel
of where you grew up, like what your childhood was
like and how you got into music.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, I think I got into music just out of
like sheer delusion and like arrogance. I was like I
saw someone playing the violin when I was like three,
and I was like, I want to do that. That
was like the gateway in And then we lived out
in Grossvale Encourageong and I went to Hill's Grammar, which
is like in Bulham Hills, which was like an hour away,
and my dad only had like three albums in the car.
(10:28):
It was like a sundance rock compilation album, Whitney Houston's
The Bodyguard Soundtrack and Michael Jackson History Part Two. So
that was what I grew up on for the first
seven eight years of my life. It was those three albums.
And then my mum used to listen to like Enya.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Oh I still love Anya. I haven't thought of Enya
in like twenty years years.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It's amazing, like a flow. Yeah. So that was it.
I was obsessed with it. And then I started writing
songs at like twelve because my parents for like Christmas
bought me a Human Nature album. That was the first
album I'd ever got, and I like rinsed it. I
listened to the whole thing over and over and over,
(11:08):
learned every word to every song, and I was like, Okay,
done with this, want another album. They were like tough shit.
I was like what, but I want new music. And
so I started writing songs so that I could listen
to more songs.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Do you remember your first song?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Used to have that? Would you ever put that down
and record?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I would love to hear what a twelve year old
song was like what you were singing?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It was well, wake up and it was about waking up.
Its about being waking. I'm kidding. It was literally like
physically waking up. The chorus was like the girls is
like wake up, wake up. You know the mornings here,
wake up, wake up? You know this Sunshine's clay, wake up,
wake up? You know? The nat is through wake up,
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wake up.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I mean a twelve rold who hasn't had too many
complex things happened to them. That's a fucking banger of
a june that could go on like a kid's.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Nurse, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
No, but you could adapt.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That to make it a kid song.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
No, adapt it for an adult song. Adults have to
wake up too.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh yeah, I love this. Your parents both are doctors,
and then they created an incredibly creative human who maybe
didn't take the path in which they planned for them.
Was that the case for you, Like, did your parents
think that you would move into being academic, especially because
that's where they've come from.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, my mum now says that she would have
loved me to be a doctor. I'm not smart enough
to be a doctor. First of all, I don't know
how I'm that child. But my dad really wanted me
to be a tennis player. And I think his biggest
heartbreak with me was that I was just not good
enough and he hated that, and he hated that I
(12:44):
was doing music. But music was and I was always
in my family, Like my mom's very very musical, and
my little brother's very very talented as well, really musical.
I think they were happy with me being in the
arts doing music, focusing on that when I was growing up,
and then when it got really serious, it was kind
of the oh, like this is actually what you want
(13:06):
to do? Are you sure? Really? My mom was always
championing me, and my dad was awful to me about it,
just a very like toxic human in general. But I
don't know, I feel like every artist has that kind
of push and pull with their family. So I left
Australia for like personal reasons, Like I knew music was
it for me, but my family was going through a lot,
and I thought it was me and so I took
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myself out of it and I went to college in Boston.
I went to the Berkeley College Music and like did
that and then songwriting happened there.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And this is the same university that John Mayo went
through as well, So this is like a very highly
regarded and did you have scholarship for this at the time.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, I got a scholarship. Otherwise I wouldn't have
been able to hold it. It's so expensive. I did that,
and a music degree is a music degree wherever you go.
But the people that I got to meet there were incredible,
and like I met Marto there.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
So you're almost paying for the networking.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Kind of Berkeley is amazing. It's great, and I'm very
grateful for it. Don't do me. I don't know. I
think when you get out, like Billie Eilish didn't go
to music school.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, you know what I mean, It's almost like you
can go through these formal educations and you think that
you're going to get spat out with some sort of surety,
and it just doesn't.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's the type of industry where it happens for some
people and it doesn't happen for others. And going through
formal education is not the thing that's going to make
you a superstar totally.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So I moved out to LA in like two thousand
and fourteen, and I just hustled really hard. I had
no money, and I was like lying to my mum
back home being like I'm killing LA. Everything's great while
I'm like sleeping on captures and in my car and stuff.
And I basically would like do cash jobs. So there
(14:47):
was like a meat pie stoor, like an Australian meat
pie shop in downtown LA and I was like a
delivery bray and got paid in cash. So I did
that and with the money that I made there. I
would go to shows and clubs and pubs, and if
anyone said they were remotely in the music industry, I'll
be like, let's hang. I would always get their contact
schedule a meeting with them. It would be like a meal,
so like a lunch or breakfast or dinner, and that
(15:08):
would be how I ate each day. Smart, you know,
I was like, they're going to put on the company,
Like great, if we could.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Make our business meeting a five course deck station or
pizza hut. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But also at this time, why did you feel like
you had to tell your parents that you're killing it?
Like was there not a time where you could say, Okay,
things are rough and I'm working through this and I'm
still working towards my goal. But you really felt like
you had to put on a front for that.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I mean, my mom was going through a heart
and my mom's incredible, but she was going through a
hard time. Like my parents were getting divorced and my
dad was completely out of the picture. We never really
had the family environment where you could kind of like
lean on each other like that, Like I don't think
we started saying I love you to each other until
(15:56):
my dad left and then things got very very real.
We just seen a sick together, they'll get through this
a couple of years and whatever. And then I don't know,
it was like five years of just like hell familiar hell.
I don't know. I didn't want Mum to worry, like
I didn't want anyone to worry. And I think I
really pissed off a lot of people when I left
Australia to go to the US, and I think a
lot of people felt like I was leaving my family behind,
(16:17):
I was going to waste Mum's money, and even my
older brother was furious with me. We've only really like
mended things in the last year or two. I don't know.
I felt I just kind of wanted to protect them
from my like bullshit, and because I always thought I
was kind of the reason why the family dynamic was rough,
I also like it's terrible, But I think proving people
(16:38):
wrong is something that really drives me in life. And
I was embarrassed of struggling that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You told everyone you were going to go and be
this big success and a yeah, and you don't want
to be like I'm delivering pies.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, you don't want to be the bird on your parents.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And like big respect in that hustle. But if I
had said to my mum, like I'm out in LA
and I'm delivering prize and I'm babysitting and I'm sleeping
on couches and in my car and my friend's guy
I didn't have a car, I feel like should have
been like come home. Yeah, And like coming home wasn't
an option for me because it wasn't really like a home.
To go back to.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
This idea of when you wrote This City and how
it got absolutely just catapulted. It was such a household song,
but it's a song that you wrote years prior, and
it was because of social media that that whole dynamic
change and that it kind of became what it was.
Can you talk us through what that period was like
and if you're going from like delivering pies and sleeping
(17:38):
on couches to being like, what the fuck is this
happening on TikTok?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah? I didn't know what TikTok was when This City
took off on it. It was the weirdest thing. So
I signed a record deal in like two thy sixteen.
I wrote This City in twenty seventeen, and that first
record deal was horrible, like insanely abusive of the guy
I was signed to used to call me fat a lot,
(18:03):
used to make fun of my hair. I was so
stressed my hair started falling out. I got a hair
transplant because it was my biggest insecurity. Like my wedding photos,
it's like hard to look at them because I've got
like this big bold spot and shit.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And so he was telling you this because he thought
you needed to change to be more marketable or what
was or was he just a horrible person?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean, you know, he's got his issues. I think
it was a power play. I think it was manipulation,
you know, ways for him to get artists to do
what he wanted them to do instead of what they
wanted to do. And it was like ten months of that.
Every meeting we had would be in his car and
he would drive down the PCH which is like the
coastline of California in Malibu. Because it was in his car,
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he could dictate when it started and when it ended,
and so there were times when it would just be
like his barrage of just like negativity and it's hard
and like I didn't have any music out and in
my head I'm going, well, there's no reason why I
have a record deal because I haven't had any success.
I have no music out this guys taking a chance
on me, so I'm just gonna like Green and Beara.
(19:02):
And then it just got really bad. And I wrote
This City towards the end of that deal, and I
like begged my managers to get him to drop me,
and thankfully he did. The best thing he ever did
for me was drop me. But you know, when I
wrote this City and I send it in like, the
response I got was it's pretty does it? It's pretty period?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Like damn, not much belief in it in the.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Sou And then my manager at the time said, it's
a good song, but it's nothing special. And I have
posted those emails. Ll Well.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I actually love that because it really sends a message,
drives home to people that if you believe in yourself
in something and you are really proud of something, it
doesn't matter what other people think. And this is completely unrelated,
but I always love this example of JK. Rowling in
Harry Potter and she wrote those series of books and No.
One twelve publishers laughed in her face and was like,
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it's absolutely rubbish. No one's going to take it. But
she's like, I knew it was a good book. She
kept going this with the biggest book of all time,
and I've done. It's the same for artists when they
they know something is great, you can't necessarily go and listen.
When someone goes it's a piece of shit, you're like, well,
imagine if you just took that advice and thought, oh cool,
it's pretty, I'll better start again.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
What's crazy is that that song really didn't come out,
like because I was at a position mentally where like
I had lost myself, like I didn't know what was good,
what wasn't good. I just had no idea, And so
getting that response, I was like, oh well, but I
like singing it. So I would sing it at shows
and it was the one song people kept being like,
what is that song? Where can I find it? I'm like,
it's not out, like I don't know, and so I
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get dropped. And then six months later I put out
this EP called not a Hobby and originally this City
wasn't on it, and my friend Kenny Bless Kenny, he
said to me I played in the EP, and he
was like, where's this city? And I was like, I
don't know if I want to put that out, like
no one like liked it, And he's like, what are
you talking about? It's the only song people remember.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
The one, but where do you?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I think it's one thing to say that you know,
it's amazing when you have this belief and you know
it's and you keep going. But I think that often
when you're told something's not good, you believe that it's
not good. You believe that you're not good. How do
you find the resilience and also the determination to keep
going when you have all these people who are in
power telling you that you don't have what it takes.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, delusion. No, I mean, I'm very lucky to have
an amazing partner. She was my rock so the whole thing,
and she's right about everything. And I don't know, like
Aaron and her whole family just had this very strange,
like blind faith in me. I don't understand it. I
(21:37):
was like, you're really backing like this foreign artist dude
who's like dating your daughter.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
What it's interesting that you're saying they don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
The first thing I thought of then was I think
it's pretty normal for like a normal, loving, tight knit
family to have that kind of blind faith and support. Yeah,
And I feel like, maybe we know that you didn't
necessarily have that, so when you got given that from
somebody else, you couldn't understand why on earth they were
But it's because they were like, cool, you're part of
our family.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Now we love you, and.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like go get you drink.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah. There were just so many kind of things that happened,
Like when This City came out, I'd been dropped, I
was independent, and it was basically like I'd written two
hundred songs in the year that I was signed there
and I hadn't put any of them out. And I
think as artists, validation is a big thing for us,
Like when people say like, hey, that was a great episode,
or like hey the live show is like changing my life.
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It feels good. It just totally it does. It's totally
human reaction to be like great, oh, keep going, you know,
I'll keep going. And so Kenny saying like did you
have to put that song in the AP? I was like, okay,
So there was a song, the song that This City replaced.
This is so cringe, but wake up. It was called
(22:56):
the motherfucking liar song was it, and it was like, yeah,
mother fucking it was cooler, but yeah, I took that
off and put this City on and it was the
fourth single of my four song EP, and I thought,
I'm gonna put this out and I'm just gonna be
a songwriter, which is amazing and like, you know, songwriters incredible.
It was never gonna be enough for me, but like
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that was cool with me, and it came out. And
when it came out, the release got like bungled and
my distributor like uploaded it two days late. We got
no playlisting, but Lewis Capaldi and Megan Trainer posted it
and then oh it was wild and like fast forward
a bunch. Like in the first year it did four
million streams, and I was toughed. I was lately, I've
(23:38):
got four million streams, and then the second year it
did two hundred million.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So what happened. You're someone who didn't know what TikTok was,
and all of a sudden, you're a trending sound on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, okay. So it was March of twenty nineteen and
I'm sitting around in my little shitty apartment and I
get this message from a creed and they lead the
fourth He's still he's massive on TikTok and it's this message.
I was like, hey, bro, like, I don't know if
this is you or not, but She've got no fault
(24:09):
of yeah. I was like, and he was like, I
think this is your song. And I don't know if
you know of this new app called TikTok, but it's
the biggest song on this app. And I was like,
and I said, what are you thinking about? The streams
had started going from like a thousand a day to
like ten thousand to thirty thousand, and we couldn't figure
(24:30):
out why. And I was like, it's just a great song.
Everyone loves it. But on the YouTube video I was
getting comments that were like hear from TikTok and so
my head, I'm like Kasha, like Kesha must have said.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Something, oh Kesh TikTok.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
On the back, you know what I mean. I had
no idea what was going on, And.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Well I knew Laura didn't understand what you were like,
what are you talking about? Had the TikTok?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So I was like, okay, so I download TikTok and like,
I click on this link he'd sent me and the
sound had three hundred thousand videos on it. Didn't know
what that meant, but I was like, oh my god,
and I called my manager and I was like, bro,
like it's happening. It's going on, or something's happening, and
I was like but at the same time, I was like,
I've gone viral and no one knows it's me, and
(25:21):
no one knows the song title. Well, like what the
fuck am I supposed to do? And so we at
the time, only major label artists could have songs on TikTok,
so I was independent. I was like, how are we
going to do this? We had to like beg them
to put just like the chorus up and just hope
it went viral again. And then it did, and like
it was this crazy chain of events, like this city
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was gone nuts on TikTok and then Lewis ca Pality
messages me on Instagram and he's like, hey, come open
for me on my US tour.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I was like, oh my god, So I did that,
and like he's the homie and he really like put
me in front of the whole industry. And then you know,
the day after the final show of the tour, this
city got its first playlist just pop rising on Spotify,
and then it was on that for like six months,
and then later it was wild. So Aaron and I
got married June first, and Aaron sing's backgrounds for me
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and get married in first. June second, we fly out
to DC to start to with Lewis, and then June
like thirteen, we got our first playlist, and on June fifteen,
I flied in New York for label meetings and then
it was just like it was on Mannik for a
long time, and I got the taste of the new
like it boy for a second. And then fast forward
(26:31):
to like March of twenty twenty, and I booked Ellen
and Corden and Kimmel and the Nile Horn tour around
the US and all these like crazy amazing things are happening,
and the pandemic answered it at all.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh my gosh, what was like the whole world was
at your fingertips and it was starting because you were
booking all these things and people were knowing you and
you were going viral. And then I mean, we know
that when the pandemic happened, we know what happened your life. Yeah,
but it's sort of I don't want to say crumbled,
that's the wrong word, but it got put on pause
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your momentum, which I think a lot of artists need
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's really important.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Your momentum was stopped in its track totally.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
What is it like, though, when you become known for
one massive hit and then there's this pressure that you've
got to keep chasing and keep achieving that next huge hit,
Like what is that like for you?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I don't know. I love being the guy that sings
this City, love that, but I think like there's so
much more to me, and I think a hit nowadays
is so it's interesting because the landscape has totally changed.
I definitely felt a lot of pressure to deliver a
follow up, and like, you know, I was lucky to
have what other people say with Emi Lovado, I don't know,
(27:47):
I think this City being the most like organic hit
or whatever. There was no trend. It was just people
like the song and we're using it for their videos,
and I don't know. I think that kind of pressure
is self inflicted and I try not to do that
to myself because I know that it was like a
(28:07):
one in a million thing that happened. I think for me,
I would just like the opportunity to tour like I
would love those touring opportunities to come back to me.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Would you want us to open for you on your tour?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, I'm ready, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Like I'll do it like a stand up piece, or
like a comedy or like a sex thing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I'll happily tell a story about creeping myself again. It's fine. Yeah,
it's like me do that has the opening.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
To Sam's opened a punch a pillow into.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
The vagina, it gets stuck there as well.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So this City was written about your experience being in
La Can you, and I mean for anyone who doesn't
know the lyrics, this city is going to break my heart.
This city is going to love me and leave me alone.
I think when I first heard it and didn't pay
attention to the lyrics, I thought it was a love song.
And then when I actually listened to it properly and
paid attention to what you were saying it your relationship
(29:01):
with the place and how it was affecting you. Can
you talk us through that time in your life.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So at that time, I was coming to the end
of my first record deal and I was miserable and
I had just gone to this like EP release party
in silver Lake, which anyone who doesn't know, it's kind
of like the new Town I guess of LA, but
it's like Newtown on like so many steroids. And I
rocked up in clothes I thought were cool and I
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got there and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I'm not cool.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'm not cool, I don't belong here what And then
I just kind of left, like very like discouraged. And
the next morning I didn't want to go to the session.
I was like pissed off. I just want to like
stay home and get high and like not be inside
my mind. And Aaron was like, get the hell out
(29:49):
of the house, go write music, and so I did
and I got the studio. I was in a foul mood.
Just everything was bad, Like I had no money, I
was signed to this guy that was just treating me
like crab. Yeah, just things were falling apart everywhere and
it was affecting everything, my friendships, my relationship, just like
(30:10):
my own self worth. Like it was that, like it
was just piss poor. And yeah, I got there and
I have a voice member of the session and the
guys I was writing it with Jimmy Robbins and Jackson Morgan.
They were writing this kind of other thing over the
like the City Cords, and I'm sitting there writing like
I haven't sell you the only Baby in Crowded, and
it's like it gives me chills, like listening to the
(30:30):
voice moment because it's I sit there and then I go, hey, guys,
I really like the guitar part, but I don't love
what you're writing. But I did write this, and then
we started writing the City, and I don't know. It
was one of those things where like I knew it
was a good song, but at the time, I think
I didn't care about anything. I think I was so
(30:50):
low and this City was almost like my cry for help.
I don't know, maybe the label will hear it and
be like, oh, he's like not doing okay. They didn't. Oh,
so it was like, fine.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Like I've booked you in for your hair transplants, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I was like we were in the lift the other
day and you were like, I got to go and
get my hair stuff, and you touched on it that
you had hair that I want to know because we
have a lot of questions that come in from like
we had one literally the other week. I think we
underestimate what a point of self conscious like hair can
be for men. It's kind of like what weight is
for women, or what skin can be for you when
(31:26):
you were like I think I'm fucking boulding. What did
that do to your self confidence?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Shattered it? Hair is everything to men. I don't think
it's talked about enough. I think that it's like not commonplace.
When I started losing my hair, and I started losing
it in my mid twenties, I didn't think anything of
it until someone pointed it out. And the way it
was pointed out was so brutal, like someone was making
fun of me. It hurt, Like it hurts even like
(31:54):
thinking about it, but like it just it's such a
blow to your self confidence. I don't have my hair
stuff in now. Why I'm wearing my hat? I am
so afraid of the public seeing my like bald head.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's so interesting to me because I think that for
so long it's been a point of something that people
feel okay to make a joke about because it's not
talked about how much it is actually an insecurity And
so then you just have to be like, yeah, ah,
fucking funny. I don't care. I don't I don't feel
self conscious about this, but I actually think it's so
fucking cool and refreshing to hear you speak about it
and be honest and not be like there's no secrecy
(32:27):
around the fact that it's something that was an insecurity
that you went and did something about it, which so
many people do, but they do it under the guys
of like, huh, just a miraculously group guys so thick
and luscious.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Now I paid too much.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
About it, But what do.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You mean you don't have your hair stuff in now
if you've got a hair transplant. So did a hair
transplant work or do you have to put extra stuff
in the transplant?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
So it worked and to a point like I'm probably
going to have to get a second one. It's not
like full thickness, thickness lushious, you know what I mean?
So I use these things called fibers, and like topic is.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I've seen that as recently you would never fucking believe them,
like Sam showing me that before and then and I
was like, I'm shook.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It to my care send me the phose if you
want to include it in the episode. You totally can
like before and after of it. In general, like insecurity
when it comes to like men's bodies that isn't talked
about that much. I think women have it way worse
in the media and stuff like being a female entertainer, performer,
artist is I really feel for you guys When that's
howt of being pointing out to me and I was
(33:29):
being called fat as well, it was just I was like, Okay, well,
I find like I got to a point where I
finally had the means to do something about it, and
so I did, and like really like I paid too
much money to keep it silent. I was like, this
is like I'm going to tell people. And like the
response I got when I was like, hey, guys, like
I'm having a hair transplant was beautiful, Like so many
men were like thank you for talking about this, and
(33:51):
it's so not everyone has hair, and like bolding.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Is so totally and like people get botox, get rid
of wrinkles, people get hair transplants to get hair, Like
it's it's just part and past.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
The work I've had done and I don't know, it's
just I support her, encourage it. I think like do
what you need to do to feel good, and like
that's it.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Sam, you.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean we touched on it earlier and it felt
too premature to get into it. But when you've spent
all your life working towards a goal that you're really
proud of and that you want to be able to
share it with the people who should be proud of you,
like your parents, and be able to say like, fuck,
look I've come to LA and now look what I'm doing,
Like look at this and look at all the things
they've achieved. That you have a fractured relationship with your parents,
(34:36):
how did you navigate that part? Were you able to
share it not just with your mum, but were you
able to share your successes with your dad as well?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
No? No, I think I got to a point where
I didn't want to anymore with my dad. My mom absolutely,
she's always really happy. So she doesn't understand it all
what I do, but she's really happy for me.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Laura's dad thinks we have a odd book, So how's
your pord book going?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Did we get that?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah? Well, Mom, like I think she felt like she
had to like really step it up, so she learned
everything she could about ed cheering. Now she knows absolutely
everything about Ed Seeran's career and so well, I'm like, well, adjacent, close,
but one day you'll get to me. But no, I
think with my dad, my dad came from a very
(35:24):
strange family. He always said to us that he was
like the black sheepe of his family. And I think,
I don't know. I don't know why he had an
issue with me, you know, apparent coin to my mom.
He didn't pick me up till I was two. He
like had a huge issue with me being like a
flamboyant guy and I was in musical theater, but I
(35:44):
was also this athlete, and so he was like an athlete,
like cool, let's do that. And then when I was like, no,
I don't want to do that new music, he kind
of I don't know, he just like stopped engaging with
me and was very like quick to anger and would
make fun of me forocusing on music and playing violin,
and he just wasn't a champion at all for me.
(36:05):
And so no, I don't share any any of it
with him. We didn't talk for years, and then he
heard the city on the radio in Canada, because he
lives in Canada now. And he messaged me from an
anonymous Facebook profile and he just said, just heard you
on the radio in Canada. It looks like this music
thing's working out.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Oh And I was like cool, did you respond?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, that's the thing. It's so messed up. But like
I in my head was like okay, like he's still
your dad, like respond. And it wasn't until probably like
five years ago when I cut him off. That was
me choosing myself.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
It must feel like well, and it was. It must.
It's not that it feels like it is.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He came back into your life when it suited him
because you were successful and maybe you were something that
he could quote unquote be proud of and brag about
now because you weren't a struggling artist and you were
someone that, you know, if he heard you on the radio,
it's a bit of a flex, you know, to other
people in his life.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I mean, you know, he just had an issue with me.
I don't know what it was. He has a very
different relationship with my brothers or he had. My brothers
don't speak to my mother. But he basically to get
like real intense when my parents' relationship broke down. I
had just moved to England. I was on my gap year.
I'd been there for three weeks and I found out,
you know, he'd had this big affair and just everything
(37:25):
was like fucked. And the day after I found out,
he calls me and I saw the phone ringing, and
I was like, okay, hear him out. He's still your dad,
like you.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Know, people make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Whatever, and I pick up the phone and I was like,
fuck you, you ruined us, and he goes, well, Sammy,
I wasn't gonna say this, but if you hadn't been
doing all these extra curricular things taking your mom away
from me, maybe we could have spent more time together
and worked relationship. And I was like, he's saying that
(38:03):
me like playing sport and doing music, like drove you
to fucking other women and doing all this. And he
was like, well, I didn't say that, you said that,
but wow. And I was like wow. And I was
eighteen at the time, and it just like I spiraled
so heavy.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
But even so, even when you go through these periods
like unbelievably complex relationships with parents, often so many of
us who have experienced challenging times with their parents still
want to forgive, you still want to work through it,
because like, coming to the ultimate decision to cut your
parent off is such a fucking huge decision. And I
(38:41):
say this because like, I have people in my life
who I love deally who have no relationship with some
of their parents, and coming to that decision takes years
of unchanged behavior by them, And it also takes you
becoming an adult yourself and realizing that you can choose yourself.
When was it that you decided and how did you decide? Okay,
(39:01):
I'm nothing's going to change here. I'm done.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Five years ago on my birthday, I which is July fifth,
So happy birthday.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I mean that was ages ago.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Okay, we missed it.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I'll never miss it again.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah. It was on my birthday and Aaron had organized
this like great staycation in downtown LA and we were
going to like the Shawn Mendes show, and we were
just having drinks on the roof with a bunch of
friends and I get this text from my dad saying, Hey, Sammy,
I've had a stroke. And I was like, oh my god,
and I responded straight away, and we hadn't talked in
(39:43):
a long time. I responded straight away, and I was like,
oh my god, Dad, Like are you okay? Like where
are you? Where do I need to fly? Like I'll
go in a fly straight away, and he goes, well,
I would have hoped your older brother would have told you,
but I was in hospital for two months, and then
I was in physical therapy for seven months. And I
was like, so, you had a stroke nine months ago
(40:04):
and you're deciding to tell me today on your birthday birthday?
He said something like you know, you wouldn't have cared
anyway or some shit, and like all just like very
like hurtful, passive aggressive things, and I kind of took
a step back and I was like holy and I
had like kind of a just a fucking breakdown because
I was like, this dude used his stroke to like
(40:27):
emotionally manipulate me again. And I responded straight away and
like it was the most just maniacal, like sociopathic bullshit.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Do you think your dad is a narcissistic And I say, oh,
yeah yeah, and like textbook Well, I say this because
we're literally about to do an episode. We've just done
one on narcissism in romantic relationships. But I think we
so underestimate how impactful narcissism with a parent can be,
and then you know the teachings of dealing with narcissism
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is that you need to separate yourself from them because
you're never going to be able to achieve a harmonious relationship.
But that's almost impossible when it's your parents unless you
make the decision to completely cut contact with them.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
That happened that year, and then a couple other things happened,
like he on my little brother's birthday, he messaged me,
I'm also the only one I have two brothers, I'm
the only kid that he has the phone number of.
So he messaged me to ask if I would pass
on a happy birthday message to Gabe, and Gabe cut
them off straight away when he left, and I was like, no,
(41:33):
I'm not going to do that, Like that would be
traumatic for Gabe. So no. And then on my older
brother's birthday, he texted me to say, hey, can you
say happy birthday to Nick? And I was like also no.
I was like you don't. You don't say your birthday
to me, but you asked me to say every birthday
to my brothers. And then I went to his Facebook
wall and on his header picture it was a photo
of him with my brothers. And on his wall there
(41:56):
were two posts and it was a happy birthday message
to my older brother and a happy Birthday message to
my younger brother. And I was like, I don't exist
to this dude, and I'm the only one who has
kept him in contact, and like, just over it. And
so a couple months later in it was Christmas and
I was in DC, Northern Virginia with Aaron's family, and
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he messaged me saying, like, have a good Christmas or something,
and I was like, I responded and I said thanks Dad,
and he goes, oh, it's nice of you to respond
for once, and I was like, you know what, And
so I sent him this whole Aaron, she really like
helped me. She's amazing with words. She crafted this really
(42:40):
a direct message of our relationship as it stands right
now is just totally self serving. And I don't know
what you want from me because it's clearly not a relationship,
because if you did want a relationship, it would be
more than two texts a year, and those two texts
being say, happy birth thirty brothers. And I was like, mate,
(43:00):
like seek help, seek, a therapist. But as for us,
like we're done. I said to him, you know, you
chose yourself ten years ago, and I am now choosing
me because life is too hard, it's too short, and
for me, like chosen, family is everything, and I have
(43:21):
incredible friends who I can lean on. And I think
the whole blood is thick and the water thing is
weird for me.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
It's what we get taught though, right like, And it's
a great idea if you come from a household where
your relationships are strong and they're built on foundations of
love and respect and mutual love and respect. Just because
you are the child if someone doesn't mean that you
are not worthy of the same respect in which you're
expected to give to your parents. But I just wanted
to say, like, I appreciate so much you sharing that
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part of your life, because I think as kids who
don't have relationships with their parents, there can be a
lot of not that's a shame or guilt, but like
a lot of people think, well, you might grow up
to regret it, or you might change your mind when
time runs out. But it takes such a strong sense
of self and such a strong sense of self preservation
to be hurt over and over and over again by
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your parents, and then make the decision that you're going
to cut them from your life because it's an abusive relationships.
There's this constant expectation that maybe they will change, so
I'll give them more chances, And it takes so much
strength to make that choice, and very few people do.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Do you feel like your complex relationship with your dad
has impacted your desire to have children or impacted the
way you go into a relationship Now, I don't say
go into it like you're going into any one, your
relationship in general with your wife Erin.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, I think I get anxiety whenever I like say
something or do something that reminds me of my dad,
And it's like a subconscious thing where like I'll say
something it's like shivers and we're, oh my god, that
sounded like him. I think in a way talking to
Maddie about this, like, I think in a way, it
motivates you to be the dad that you wish you
had had. And you know, Aaron and I one day
(45:09):
the plan is to have kids. I think, who knows,
but I'm excited about it, Like I definitely am nervous
that you know history will repeat itself in the I
don't know, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
But there is no part of you that would ever be.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I even like your dad, you know, I just you
know the things my dad said to me when I
was like six. So I have four nephews and a niece,
and they're just like the light of our world. And
two of them are six. And seeing a six year
old and seeing how innocent they are and how like
sweet and just like wide eyed at the world, the
(45:44):
thought of saying or like yelling at them or bullying
them is so feels so deeply evil. Oh my god,
I get like really like frustrated with it, especially when
I drink gin. I get the gin crazies. And we
were talking about it once that was like, but it
(46:07):
just I don't know. So yeah, like I'm excited to
have kids. I think, I hope I'll be a good dad.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
It's not scared you off them. It's motivating to be better.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
It's not scared me. Look like Aaron is the one
who has to have the kids. Like it's when she says, hey,
let's have kids, like say, okay, let's do it, let's
do it.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I mean, it's so true, though, what you said this
idea that like people repeat behavior, but when you're so
conscious of the behavior, you go the complete opposite end
of the spectrum. And for Matt, and that's kind of
who I was alluding to. Matt doesn't have a relationship
with his dad. Some people might know that, some people
might be surprised by that, but it made him be
a fucking amazing dad because he had the same revelation.
(46:45):
He was like, I just don't understand, now that I
have my own how it could have ever been the
way that it was. It makes no sense. And so yeah,
I don't think you ever have to worry that it's
gonna something's gonna just click in you and you're gonna go, Okay.
You know, I have this pent up nacissis and that's
just been waiting to unleash itself totally.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah. No, oh my god, My narcissism comes out every
day at my job.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
So no, that's just called being an extrovert.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
That's not narcissism.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
They're very different.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
It's just been a performer, right like, and so many performers,
so many people I know, actors, singers, podcasters, people on
stage are very different to who they are off stage,
Like some of the biggest personalities I know are not
that big off the stage, sure, and so I think
it's something that it's not necessarily narcissism or cockiness, but
it's a part of your character totally.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
But I think for me, like the whole thing with
my dad, the really tough part is it's really affected
just any relationship that I have with any men who
are in positions of authority in my life. And it's
been this pattern. So like my dad, the first guy
I was sawn to, the last manager I had, Like,
(47:54):
there have been all these men in my life who
have put me into this headspace where I have to
really try and get their approval and it's just been
so detrimental, and so I have a hard time connecting to.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Other men like validation seeking kind of.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, I almost feel like a code switch sometimes when
I'm around guys that I'm not totally comfortable with.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
What do you mean code switch?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I don't know. If you talk to like a guy
who's very like bloky, that sometimes makes me a little
uncomfortable and so I'll get blokey with them. And that's
what I mean by like code switching. I'm like I
can hang, I can talk sport, I can talk.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Like I'm a manly, masculine guy.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Like it's so toxic. None of my close friends are
like that at all, and it's only when I'm in Also,
like business people like you know, like you.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Can feel yourself be a chameleon.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Who absolutely it's a weird thing that I do and
I wish I didn't, but like, it's just being comfortable people.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
It's a protection mechanism that people use, right, Like it
keeps you safe, and it's something that you learn as
a kid. This is a lot of therapy speak, but
if you're someone who has been in a relationship with
someone where you're frightened or you're feel intimidated, it is
a literal a coping mechanism to become the most likable
version that they will like. And then you learn to
do that in other areas of your life and it
serves you well, it works, and so then you take
(49:11):
that into your adulthood. And it takes someone who's done
a lot of work on themselves to get to a
point where they even recognize that they're doing that when
they're in different social situations. Most of us just look
at it and go yeah, I'm a social chameleon, but
actually it's just someone who doesn't know who they are
in their core right totally.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, and that was a long term.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
Who are you? Sam?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Who's Sam Fisher the.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Guy that sings This City?
Speaker 5 (49:34):
Sam? We absolutely love you.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
You are now an official part of the Life Uncut
family and I feel like you're going to be stuck
with us for the rest of eternity.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I love your new album is dropping December one. What's
it called?
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I Love You Please Don't Hate Me?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I love It's a great song. Also, you've just done
an amazing co lab with guys Sebastian as well, which
is amazing.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Congratulations. I hope that we get the first signed copy
you will. That was Yeah, that was I left that.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
That was so that you were were going to get
you guys merch.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
Yes, you're a legend.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Guys, go and listen to Sam all of his songs,
not just This City because he has a hundred different
bangers anywhere that you can literally get music, and don't
forget to get his album December one. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
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