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Laura had a surprise baby shower and both Britt and Keeshia were terrible friends and missed it!
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If you’re in the dating world it’s likely that you’ve got an opinion on dating apps. It’s likely that that opinion is “I hate them and I’m exhausted by them”. But would you hand over the reins to AI to try and find your person? We are joined by our friend and colleague Claire, described as ‘one of our many single friends’ who has joined the AI dating app. We speak about what it’s like and the unusual way that the app gets you to go on dates. Do you know someone who likes both hiking and the idea of having a dog??

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• Can you talk ‘transparently’ about weight loss medication if you’re being paid?
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• Does this destigmatise weight loss medication?
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Cut.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm Laura.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Brittany.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm Brittany.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hey, I am so sorry.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Oh yeah, we'll here.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Excuse now, Tisha, and I missed your surprise baby shower
on the weekend.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Okay, so do you know I'm not annoyed, It's okay.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
It was also your birthday weekend, so I'm very sorry
that my other friends hijacked the weekend that was your
birthday as well.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Were about to have our own party and they were like, sorry,
this is Laura's weekend, so we were like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Also, also, I know that this would have been my sister,
not because she she wouldn't have known it was your
birthday that weekend, but she is such an early planner,
so she would have planned this like two months ago.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
She planned this before you were pregnant, Laura.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
She planned it so long ago that I don't know
if you saw it. And we have a joint calendar
like it's called time Dree.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
We all use it and all the.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Subscribes if anyone wants a joint work or family calendar.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
And we vibed it two years ago when we started
Let's go again. It's great.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
So she sent it so long ago, and I knew
that it was going to be like I had to
put it in our calendar so that Britain. I knew
not to do other things on that day. So I lied,
and I told you that Britain and I had booked
in something that wasn't pregnancy safe so that we could
like exclude you from it.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
When you go into an infrared sauna or something.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
It was a complete light. We were never going to that.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
But I was like, oh, Britt, we've got that spa
booked in. You know that smart ey and imagine, I'm
so sorry Laurie, you can't come because you're pregnant. But
then we both ended up being away for our birthdays.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Anyway, Sorry, that's okay, don't want I did feel She yeah,
you should.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
She did it. She did it. She's like why. I
looked around the room and I was like, why are
my best friends? I was there?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I just hid so well a surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Okay, so I've never ever had a surprise anything before. Firstly,
I was had a surprise pregnancy multiple time.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
What more do you want? Apart from the pregnancies.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
No, I've never had a surprise.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, I don't know how did I feel.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Actually, when I first found out that I was pregnant
with Marley, I sat on the floor and cried, so
that didn't at least I had a different reaction to
this surprise. So I've never had a surprise party. I've
never had a surprise anything. And I was so adamant.
Like about two months ago, my sister in law Kate said,
are we going to have a baby shower? And I
was like, no, why would we have a baby shower.

(02:32):
It's the third one. We've showered all the babies. No
one cares, No one cares. I was like, no one
will even come anyway. She was like, please, we at
least we need to go and have like a girl's
lunch or do something. And I was like, absolutely not.
There is no need. It is so much effort and
no one needs to. I think once you've had two kids,
you've kind of hit peak baby showers.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
You don't need anything else.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Also, because you're having another girl, so if you're having
a boy, yeah, then sympathia wbule to come.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I need some zippies, but I was like, absolutely not anyway.
So Kate Matt's sister, she has three kids, and she
really like she latched on. She was like, you don't understand, Laura.
Your life is over. Your life is going to be fucked.
And I was like, can you I know you've mean
this with well wishes, but I was like just garing
me now.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
She's like, we need to hold awake for you, and
that is what the party will be.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
So on the weekend, Matt had kind of only told
me a couple of days ago. He was like, oh,
you know, we're going out for lunch together. And I
was like, oh, okay, cute and he's like, yeah, like
a date lunch. You and I pre baby coming. We
need to spend some time together. And we just had
a very normal Saturday, so we're like, we went to
the farmer's markets with the kids and we had to
be at lunch by twelve thirty, right, So I knew

(03:41):
he had this booking. It was eleven fifty and we
were still at the farmer's markets, running around with the kids,
eating pancakes and stuff, and I was like, oh, we
should get home. I probably need about fifteen minutes to
get ready for this lunch. So we get home and
I go to Matt. I was like, oh, how dressy,
Like do I need to dress up for lunch? Because
he hadn't really.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Me what we were doing or anything, and he was like, nah, baby,
just cas is lunch? Just cas just cas. Shall I
just put to havy ons on.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I frekiated your sparkly shoes that Lola loves on.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Guys, you know what my foot wear is like At
the moment, I put on like the daggiest pair of
like sandal slides. The rest of it was relatively fine,
but it wasn't what you would wear that your baby shower.
I wasn't wearing like a pretty baby shower dress. I
just had to see through top on a black bra
and some pants.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I think you're cute. Thanks, Thanks.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
It was understated, and I think at eight months, slides
are okay as well.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
We're gonna let We're gonna let.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
It all slide, We're gonna tides have turned.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's more it's more the case that like a little
bit of preparation would have been nice.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Like I had fifteen minutes I got ready.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Girls would know, girls would know to say, like, oh,
it's gonna be a little bit dressier, like they would
give you some indication.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes, yeah, your girlfriend would say, just wear a nice dress.
So we're gonna have lunch fans dress.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
You know, you're gonna get to go again into the baby.
That was like, just be cash, So I did.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
And I walk in to this rest and I don't
know if my processing to actually I do know, my
processing time is a bit delayed at the moment. I
think the pregnancy has really got to me with the
repeat storytelling and everything that I've been doing lately. So
I walk in and we start walking towards the table,
and then I see one of my girlfriends.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
But mind you, she's been living in New York for
the past years.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I've not seen her for an entire year, Sarah, and
you know, she's one of my closest friends. And I
see her, but she's on the floor, like I can
see her through a gap in the tables. And that's
when I called triple zero, and I was like, why
is Sarah on the ground?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
And my brain was like, what's going on? Why is
Sarah on the floor?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And then as I got closer, everyone jumped out and
screamed surprised, but my brain was still.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Like, why is Sarah on the floor? Really has slowed down?

Speaker 3 (05:42):
It there?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
It took me so fucking long to process what was happening.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
No, now days later, are you aware of what happens?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think Sarah's still on the floor. What someone think
of Sarah?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Anyway, when jumped out, they're like, surprise, hang on, did
Sarah come from New York for your baby?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Because that makes us fresh.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
No, she'ld just come home. But one of my girlfriends
traveled up from Shoha. It was like a three hour
train ride.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I just rub it in, Laura run in. I was
more worried about the New Yorker.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So anyway, like all surprise, surprise, but you know how
you see those like idyllic birthday or whatever surprise videos
and like the person's instantly.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Like, oh my god, overwhelmed with love and excitement, like
my engagement video.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yes like that, and we all just instantly like snapped
into gear right and my brain.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Was working at full speed, full throttle back then.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Everyone afterwards was like, are you angry because it took
me so long to respond.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
You were you a little bit? We were like I
really didn't want to surprise. You're like, oh three or alone.
No no, no.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I was like, I was very excited. It was very sweet.
It was like the sweetest thing that's ever been done.
But my sister Kate, my sister in law, and then
one of my girlfriends, Kaya organized the whole thing, And honestly,
I'm just completely shocked that that many people, for that
length of time were able to keep it a secret.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's beyond me.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
It really cute, It looked really cute. Everyone's been so
excited for so long. Because we've all been in the
group chat. Obviously we've seen the Takeisha and I have
seen the photos. But I mean, I felt bad. I
couldn't make it because it was also my birthday weekend.
I didn't get a surprise punny, but I felt bad.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
But I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Seeing it that you had a really amazing so surprised,
Like they hit and miss though you're either a surprise
person or you're not, Like you either detest them and
you want to know and be a control freaking like
everything that's happening, or you love them.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I don't hate them, don't get me wrong, I freaking
loved it. I had the absolute best day. Like I
could not be more grateful for all the organization that
went into it.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
But I would have had just as much fun had
I known.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
And I just would have looked better and I would
have looked hot up.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, anyway, look, guys, last week we were talking about something.
I think I stuck my foot in this a little bit,
so I made the comment, Actually, maybe we'll just repeat
back to it because I can't remember exactly what I said,
but it was something about screen savers, and I was
calling out people who use themselves on their own screen savers.
It came off the back because I've recently done that
little update thing where you can have a rotating face,

(08:02):
and so I've changed my screen savers so it rotates.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Between the girls.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And then I mentioned that some people have screen savers
of themselves, and I apparently had very strong opinions on it.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I would say that this is a kin to people who.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Have themselves as their own screen savers, because it's likely
that was you as well.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Let me just let me just check up.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
No, I always have me, but I have me and
Ben from the wedding.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Y's so cute if it's a couple photo.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
But like you know, when someone's just like gotten hot
and then they have a bikini photo of themselves, or.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
One has their own bikini photo on their phone. Yes,
no they don't. People aren't doing that. If you do it,
change it now.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I just want to apologize. I didn't mean to bully anyone.
And also I think we triggered.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
A couple of people. You triggered me.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
You used to bully me because I have screensaver of
me and Delilah at the beach, Never just because I
had no clothes on.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Just because you're in a bikinis. I'm naked, So okay,
what I'm think Delilah was swimming. You could even say
I'm that's also not true. Guys.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
What I'm talking about is when people use themselves as greensaver,
but they do it amongst other things that feel like
a prop so like for example, and what I said
basically is, you know, if you're like, been on this
beautiful holiday and it's like a sick bikini photo, but
there's a sunset, but you really just you look hot,
So then you use it under the guise if it's
a sunset photo, but actually you're just a hot person
on your own screensaver.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't feel as strongly about it as you do
I think it's okay. I think it's okay to have
yourself and a sunset as a silhouette or a hot
bikini photo.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Whatever. Okay. Well, we received a few comments.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Actually, we received so many dms from people who felt
personally victimized.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Here are some of them.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I used to be friends with a girl who had
a rotating photos of just herself as her warm baper.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, ver much.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
If it's rotating, if you're in a carousel of yourself,
it's too much.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And I always thought it was really weird.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Someone else roight, Oh my god, I feel personally attacked.
I literally have a sunset photo of me in a
bikini in bouquette.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh lovely, you got me. I looked hot and I'm
changing it now.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I used to use pictures of myself as my screensaver
when I was twenty one. That's okay, finding.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Out who you are and you need your confidence. I
think that that's okay, and you're twenty one. You're never
going to be hotter again.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Oh my god, I've just listened to this on the
podcast and I am changing it immediately. I wanted to
put a maternity photo of myself in my bump. But
then now I think that that's weird.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
No, that's not weird.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Okay, why technically you're not the only person, because neither if.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
You have Delilah or if someone into the background of
your puquete sunset photo, you're not the only one either.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I think a maternity bump is different because it's a
temporary moment in time.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
You know, it's like an it's an experience you're not
gonna have.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Your bikini body is a temporary moment in time too.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
It's not always going to be like that. She just
doesn't know it. Maybe she does go it. Hold on
to that, queen.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think like with a baby bump, because usually once
the baby's born, you update it.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Wait till I get pregnant. I'm going to bring in
framed photos and put them on the life bookshelf. Yours
is literally just rotating baby bump photos. It'll go up
on the shrine.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
And there was actually someone who wrote that it gives
the same vibe as people who have professional photos of
themselves on their bedroom wall.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Do you remember those?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Do you remember?

Speaker 4 (11:00):
But then, though, like those professional photo shoots, they used
to be in the middle of the shopping center and
you could get them taken and they would have the
feather boa and the clip on pearl earrings.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
They're called a glamour show. No, yeah, I was a thing.
Oh wait, I had.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Them done as a kid, which now in retrospect fucking bizarre.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
But that hasn't been around for like twenty five years.
So no one's. No one I would know in our
generation has a glamour shoot photo of themselves printed on
their wall.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
But there is someone I know who has a glamour
shoot photo of her and her boyfriend husband.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
In France Australian front of the Loop on their wall.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, they go back to the bully.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
In so the last few years, I feel like I've
really let the team down, Laura, I've let you down.
I fell in love, I got taken off the dating scene,
and I no longer have my finger on the pulse
and I'm no longer able to bring the stories that
I used to be able to bring, Like sit on your.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Face, guy, Meet Raffle, I miss meet Raffle. Where is he?
How is he?

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Probably still Meet Raffling?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Who else was there? Sit on my fa meat Raffle,
I mean there.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Are loads the guy that asked me tod then didn't eat.
The guy that asked me to dinner then tell you
lost his wallet.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
We need to go back torough the archives and go
and try and fighlight reel. No my disaster date.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, of all the names of all the dating characters
that we had that we gave you over.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
The years, Yeah, Meat, raffles, Sit and my Face Guy
were the standout.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
They were peak. They were peak dating days. Yeah, they
live on forever.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
But I am very lucky. So one of our friends
and work colleagues, Claire. She works behind the scenes for podcasting,
so we get to see it most days when we
go into radio podcasting and I see her all the time.
She came to the wedding like she's a very good
friend of ours. But I'm living vicariously through her now.
I don't want to, I don't want to highlight it
too much. But she is one of my only single friends.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
She is our resident single person, so she has become
like the residents.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
She comes to me and tells me all the stuff
that's going on and the issues and asked advice. And
then I'm just like poor Claire, like I pull information
from her because I want to Live by Kerosene.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I want to know what's going on in the world.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
But I discovered through Claire this new dating app that
I hadn't even heard of. When I say you, it's
not like it didn't come out two weeks ago, but
it's pretty fresh and it's an AI dating app.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I don't know if you've heard about it.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
It's called a Marta. It's an app that is basically
fueled by AI. So like you sign up, you tell
it a few prompts, you create like a little avatar
chatbot that's for you, and then it pulls information from you.
It's like what do you like to do?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Who are you? What are you looking for? And instead
of I guess you.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Normally going on too a dating app and writing prompts
like you standing in the dating world now. It then
creates your profile and then based off AI, so you
don't swipe based off AI, it goes and.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Just finds you people and presents them with you. If
it thinks you're a match. Now it has these like
really weird features.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Do you say yes, you think that that's a match?
You actually can't talk to the person. AI sets you
up on a date. You don't even get to pick
where you're going. It just like makes like AI does everything.
It's like a dating I guess it's like a dating
concierge in a way sets up the date, and then
an hour or two hours before the date, it unlocks
and you're allowed to start talking.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think it's fucking wild.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
My thing about this, though, is to me, it's like
it's outsourcing your dating life to AI. But I think
so many people relying on chat GPT in general now
that it's like, now you don't even have to do
any of the heavy lifting, no banter, no chats, no
pre organization, no swiping, Just tell chat gpt that you're
looking for a man and it'll find one for you.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Now now no one even has to find a venue
to go to Like, you don't do anything.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
The person doesn't need to book a restaurant. They might
be absolutely useless. I don't know. I don't know how
I feel about this.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Also is irrelevant how I feel about this, because we
have Claire here to tell us exactly how she feels
about this. So okay, Claire, welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
Really nice introduction as the only standing single person left
that you know in Sydney.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
That was exaggerating. I have well too, there's another one great,
I have a few. Does that make you feel better?
Not really? Yeah? Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Firstly, it has been one of the cornerstones of what
Life on Cut was originally built on, and that was
like fucking chaotic dating stories and then all of a
sudden we talked about this recently where we revisited like
people's worst first date in stories like and it was
very it was very funny. The life has came through
with some great content, but we know it's the cesspool
that it was when we left, like.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
We know that it's still the same, it's worse, if anything.
What going downhill?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
What is?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Explain Amata to me from how you've experienced it so far. Okay,
So I'm new to this app. I might have been
on one date from it, but loads of my friends
are on it and they've all recommended it as being
something really good, saves time, way better than the other
dating apps.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I thought I'd give it a go. I have not
had the best experience.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
I think it has the concept to be good. Like
I hate small talk.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm really time poor. I work a lot.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
If I could outsource that great if it could find
me the love of my life. Perfect, But it doesn't
seem to do that. It seems to just kind of
regurgitate everyone who's on the app to you without really
sense checking or finding many details from it. And it
seems to ask you a few little questions to try
and draw our information from you, and then it hangs
on to it.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So for giving an example of what that would look like.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
So if it's like, oh, hey, here's we think is
the match, what could be that common link that Amata
has decided is a good match for you, for the
strong foundation of a really long term relationship.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Well, the key thing.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
I think it thinks I want is someone who has
always open to having a dog.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Clare's AI bot presents a people and he's like, hey,
Frank has a dog.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
We think you'd be the perfect match.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
Or it's like Frank may not have a dog yet,
but he is interesting interested in getting one in future.
I think you'd be a great match. I'm like, that
is not the only requirement. Just because one time I
said I liked a dog, that does not mean that's
the foundation. I will not go out with anyone who
does not have a dog.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Like to sorry, does Frank have a job, do you
have hobbies?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
How old is Frank?

Speaker 6 (16:46):
And the other thing it really thinks I like, which
is true? I like hiking, So it's always like this
guy loves hiking.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I'm like, yeah, okay, but again it's not the only
it doesn't have a dog the dog? Does he hike
with the dog?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I like it on premise, but I also understand that,
like when you kind of like hand over your dating
like the NW once of your dating life to a
chat GPD robot, it is always going to try and
find what are like those obvious common links, because I mean,
and I guess maybe as things get more intelligent, and
as that software develops, it may genuinely become more intuitive
and be able to better match people.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
So then, okay, so prevent it presents you with Frank
Frank likes to hike and likes a dog. Are you
then able to chat further with your bot to discover
more about Frank?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Or is what they've presented you like? You say yes
or no?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Can you then say, hey, what else does Frank like
to do? Can you get more from it if you
need to? Or is it like he's his profile, he
loves dogs and he loves the outdoors.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yes or no.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
Well, I've been testing this theory because sometimes I've noticed
it will hide certain things. So if it doesn't say
anything on there about Frank, it like, if it doesn't
say on there about what kind of relationship Frank is
looking for, which is a key thing for me to
be looking for someone who's looking for a long term relationship,
like I'm not looking for fuck boys. If it doesn't
say anything there, I'll ask it and it will then go, oh, yes,

(18:02):
Frank is looking for something casual. Well, you've hidden that
from me because you know I'm not aligned to it.
So actually my AI is tricking me into going on
dates of people who aren't.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Suping ghasline, even by your AI.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But that seems so counterintuitive.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I wonder if it's a benefit to the dating platform
to try and have them like, try and have people
gone as many dates as possible, because obviously it is
still success by numbers, right, you need people to be
going on these dates to have a successful outcome. But
it seems counterintuitive to match someone for something fundamental like
that someone who says I'm looking for a relationship and
someone's like, I'm looking for casual. That to me is

(18:35):
like a horrific mismatch in trying to put two people together.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
And the fact that they're hiding it from you as well.
It feels like you're being tricked by both the man
and the AI and then yourself.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
It's also interesting to think though, because I was under
the impression that it's not an endless stream of prospects,
so like it gives you like three or four or
something at a time and then it stops. So if
it's only giving you a couple and then it stops
that you make it to decision, it's crazy. Then if
it's only going to give you three to make them
people that are actually not aligned with what you.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Want, maybe it just shows that there's that many men
in I mean Sydney.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Species relationship casual to just keep a cash, don't want
to anything serious, and then so you match. How does
it create your date spot?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Does it ask you for like where your location is
so it can create something in the middle, or like
how does that work?

Speaker 6 (19:23):
When you first sign up, you say where you would
be open to going on dates in, so it's like
Central Sydney or Eastern suburbs. So you pick your locations
and then once you agree to go on a date,
it will pick one that aligns with what the other
person has picked as well, and then it picks the
venue itself, so you don't play any part in it.
And for me, I had heard my friends had all
been sent to like really cute wine bars and cute
little cocktail bars, and you meet. It tells you you're

(19:45):
meeting for a drink, so it assigns what you're doing. Yeah,
but the only one I went on, I got sent
to an American bar and grill.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
And if you don't want to go to something like that,
can you change it? You Like, that is not suitablecause
it doesn't tell you the details. It just confirms the time,
confirms the spot in the It sends you the details
just before.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
This gives me anxiety. So you've been set up. She
went to a bar and okay, so you get to
the bar and grill. Go to the bar and grill
for a drink.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
It tells you when you show up that you're meant
to just go to the front of desk and just
say that you're here for the AI date. I was like,
that was already quite embarrassing. Even though I'm on this podcast,
I'm fiercely private when it comes to dating. I definitely
don't want everyone to know what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
But also who wants to go watch to someone and
say I am he for the AI date?

Speaker 6 (20:26):
Like there's got to be a bitter way to do that.
But when I arrived, there were like six people in
front of me. It was pouring with rain, and I
was trying to get in the door, and I saw
the front of house and he saw me, and he
just looked at me and went, you come forward, Oh,
go ahead of the six other people waiting in line,
and he pointed, your date is here.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
To the other side of the restaurant were a.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Man who I've never met is stood up waiting for.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Me to joy Why cod Like you put a red
flag on your head like a siren, and you here
to make you walk through the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
So then everyone in the restaurant and everyone I pushed
in front of with my early access knew.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
That I was on a first date with a stranger.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
I felt very very self conscious of it as well,
Like everyone around you knows that you're suddenly on this
first date. Say you know, everyone loves to listen to
someone of us. I do it myself. You know, it
is interesting to people watch, but you definitely don't want
it when it's you because you're very self conscious. And
because this wasn't a romantic spot to go for a
drink and you're not in a private corner where you
can get to know each other, You're just it was
a very busy restaurant. We were the only people there

(21:31):
on a date. It was completely packed with club music
playing around you. And also it was a restaurant where
you weren't allowed to meet for just a drink. You
had to have dinner. So I had to have two
dinners that day.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Oh, that's so annoying.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That seems like a real That seems like a real
mismanagement of the app as well, because also if you
end up on this date and you're not vibing the
person and you had to order a meal, you're not
able to exit yourself whenever you want to leave.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
That seems like it's a really kind of that seems
like a floor. And then okay, who paid paid?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Okay, that was nice, which, yes, that was very nice.
You have tried all the apps and there's guys, I
was on every single app. I was paid subscriptions on apps.
There's nothing wrong with it. It is literally how we
date right now, and each app gives you something different,
which is why it's why I was on all the apps.
It's not necessarily to be people used to shame like
it used to be back in the day. It was
like shameful if you paid for subscriptions. But I was like,

(22:22):
I have to subscribe. I've exhausted every single person. There
is no one left in my area.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I had to pay for super Ikes. I was like,
I want to Superiking. Okay, what two dollars? Okay, I'll
do it. I'll do it. I mean, my love is
worth five three for one.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
But it's like each app brings you something different, and
I very much think they used to have different things.
Like when I was on them, Tinder was the known
hookup app and like less serious, but if you really
knew you wanted a relationship, you'd go on Bumble or
there was just always that general feeling. I'm assuming that
it's still there. How do you find it compares to

(22:56):
the other apps.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Well, I feel that that still exists, so there is
still the one that's less serious and then maybe bumble,
then hinge.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
This new one.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
I mean, it's hard to tell if everyone on there
is looking for a serious relationship because I guess I
haven't got enough data from it. But the difference is
you always have to pay on this app, so you
have to both commit to the date and then you
pay before.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
You've even met.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
Okay, So the point of that, I guess is to
ensure that people come. But I heard at the start
you got to refund that back when you went to
the date, so that you got that back on food
or drink or whatever you're going there for.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
That is not true.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
You're just paying to go, You're paying for the setup.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, And I would say that that is and what
is what makes it slightly more problematic if the system
is matching you with people and hiding information that you
know is a mismatch, because that would be where the
kickback is coming from. So that initial payment, which you
might go to the restaurant, but they would also be
going back to the app, whatever percentage that is. So
it's in the app's best interest to try and match
as many people as possible, not necessarily because they are

(23:55):
the best match for them. And then I think that
that seems really deceiving and deceitful.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I also don't know how I feel about the idea
of and you just said it, Claire, but the idea
of it just streamlinds it. It's more time efficient.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm busy. I don't want to spend time on there.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm not convinced it's the right thing to do when
you're looking for somebody to date, Like I think there's
too much room for error.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I don't know. It's the one thing. I think it
needs a human connection.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
AI doesn't know who you are as a person, doesn't
get your personality traits. The idea of like handing that
over to a robot praying that one of the three
people it gives you is the right person, but not
being able to confirm it until two hours before the
forced dinner that you're supposed to go on.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
There's something that it's just it's not human enough for
me when you're trying to find that connection.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
I think it could get good, I reckon in a
year or so's time, if they were to do it better,
and they were to actually be using the intelligence that
AI has to be able to pick through a few
people weed out some people who aren't looking for a
serious relationship or who don't want a dog in their future.
You know, it could really help and then they could
give you a bit more time to get to know

(24:59):
that person just before you go on the date. It
doesn't need to be just two hours before to confirm
your attendance and say what time you're going to get there.
I think it could benefit people, and it could help
you find it much because it is hard to find people.
One more point about it costing money is that I
think it charges you different rates because I got changed
a different rate to go on a date than my
friend did, and I asked the AI whether that was
the case, and they were like, yes, we can sometimes

(25:21):
do it. I can't give you like details of what
other people are doing. That seems a bit dodgy as well.
But it's not like a set rate for everyone to
go on a date. It's probably assigned based on how
much energy or how much time you're putting in it.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
So you don't pay to sign up in general, you
pay per date per date.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Can we ask what fee that is per date?

Speaker 6 (25:36):
Well, for me, yeah, the fee was twenty five dollars. Okay,
for my friend it was fifteen.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Wow, you don't know why that is? No? Oh, I
don't know how I feel about that it got to
your bank account or was it clear earns more? I
wish that was the reason.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
It's like, But what I recommend it, I don't know.
For me, it hasn't been a great experience. But for
everyone else who recommended it to me, they've had a
much better experience from it, and they have met people
they have gone on a second date with, and they
have gone to really nice venues that they wouldn't have
known about otherwise. They've found like romantic spots that they
would also go to again. So I think they would
recommend it for me personally, I don't think it has

(26:11):
been helpful, all.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Right, a little bit of a change of pace here,
but something that we wanted to talk about, And you
guys might be familiar with it because it's been in
news quite a bit lately.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Is Serena Williams.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Now she's been speaking very openly about her experience of
using GLP ones. For anyone who doesn't know what that is,
you will know because it is ozebic or all of
the different variations of weight loss drugs.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Munjaro, WeGo V. There's like a bunch of different names.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
The reason why there has been some very mixed reactions
is it because it blurs the lines between weight loss
and I guess like transparency around weight loss medication and
celebrity endorsement. So last Thursday, this publicity announcement for Serena
was embarged into nine AM and it was first announced
in People, and she also went on the Today Show
to talk about her experience with the weight loss drug

(26:58):
have listened to this.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Well, a lot of people have been wondering got my
new fitness journey and what I've been doing. And I've
been really open about me being on GLP ones and
I thought it was really important just to come out
and say it. So I'm on a GLP one through
row dot Co. And for me, it was really just
about taking away that stigma of like, uh, is it
a lazy way? Is it a shortcut?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Like why would you do that?

Speaker 5 (27:21):
And so for me, like after having my first kid
with olympia and then you know, in particular after having
the second kid, I was never able to be at
a healthy weight that I could be at those my
joints or blood sugar levels. It was just always something
that I suffered with, and a lot of women actually
go through this, and I always said that I feel
like for me personally, I feel like, you know what,

(27:42):
after I had my kids, after I got a tad
bit older, like my body was actually missing something no
matter what I did. I literally was playing professional tennis,
and you can even see like sometimes I would. I
had had this really awesome documentary a few years ago,
and you can see in the documentary, my coach just
tell me you have to lose weight. You have lose Wait,
I'm playing professional tennis. I'm literally training five hours a day,

(28:05):
and I would always work my way to one point
at the scale and it would never go below that.
And so eventually I just you know, I saw my
friends using it and saw a lot of people on it,
and I have tried it and it actually worked.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
So the reason why this has been deemed is quite
controversial isn't because she's being transparent quote unquote around using
weight loss drugs. Firstly, I think people's reaction was like, Wow,
finally a celebrity actually speaking about this honestly and openly.
It was actually the fine print that was in the
press release. Now what came out is that their company
that she's representing and also is an ambassador for, is

(28:37):
a telehealth company called Row, as she said in that.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Interview, but she did just sneak it in. She's like,
I've been doing this this throweroad dot com.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
So Roe Roe being a telehealth company.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
The reason why that this is a little bit more
sinister is because her husband, so Serena Williams's husband Alexis o'hanian,
who is the co founder of Reddit, He is actually
an active member of the board of this company. So
there is a lot of monetary kickbacks and one can
only assume a multi multimillion dollar, multi level, multi year
ambassadorship that has come with speaking about this, we have

(29:09):
a few questions, but one thing I wanted to read
out is from The Guardian because I think that this
was written really well and it really unpacks kind of
the debate that we have been having internally because we
have really different feelings about this. So this was written
by Brian Arman Graham in the article Serena Williams built
her legacy on defiance, Why lend it to a zepic culture?

(29:30):
Many saw Thursday's collective messaging not as candor, but as
advertorial personal struggle framed as stealth marketing in an era
when audiences are used to celebrities weaving mental health confessions
or fitness journeys into commercial deals, William's campaign was interpreted
less a's openness more a strategy brilliant.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't think that's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I do.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I don't think that that is a brilliant statement at all.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Why can't it be both?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
This is my question, because why can't it be an open,
honest conversation and advertising at the same time, Because I
truly believe that's what it is. She's openly advertising it,
but that doesn't mean that she didn't have the struggles
that goes along with it. It doesn't mean that she's not
being open about the fact that, hey, you know what,
I had kids, I couldn't lose weight after that. Like,

(30:18):
I think that is such a relatable piece of information,
and I know there are people out there, including like
you guys Keishan Laura, that think that maybe that relatability
is not necessarily an authentic relatability, but maybe it's a
marketing tactic that has pulled on emotional strings of women
that have had babies and can't lose weight.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I do feel that way, and I think that that's
why it blurs the line between transparency and exploitation, Because
while Serena Williams is not a relatable person to many
of us, which.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Is twenty three three times grand, she's a twenty three
times Grand champion.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I think that her lifestyle and one thing that I
really like about this that we are going to unpack
is that a I think it really does aid in
the destigmatization of the fact that weight and obesity even
are not issues of willpower, and they're.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Not issues of discipline.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Because Serena Williams, you'd be hard to find someone who
says that she wasn't a very disciplined person who had
a lot of willpower. But I do think that it
kind of it starts to cease or into a slightly
problematic area when you are using a deliberately emotional and
vulnerable thing that like a weight in general, is such
an emotional thing, connecting that to a story that so

(31:31):
many people can relate to in that you know, I've
had children and my body changed, and you know we've
been told for so long how to get your pre
baby body back and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
It really lends into.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
That type of culture where it's like, after I've had
a baby, I couldn't change my body. I needed to
go onto this thing. The only way I was able
to do this is through the thing that I'm now
financially profiting from.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
But that's where I think the line is blurred. So
I have a problem with this, and I don't have
a problem with this, And they're in sections personally, and
I know that we people that disagree with me. I
don't have a problem with a celebrity saying, hey, I
lost fourteen kilos and I didn't do it naturally.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I did it with a zenviic. Oh.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I think that that's brilliant. But I don't think they
should be getting monetary kicked back for that.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't have a problem that.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I think that is brilliant, that we are being authentic
and people are realizing, Oh, you know what. I don't
feel as bad because I am out grinding in the
gym for four hours a morning before my kids get
up because I'm desperate to lose weight and it's not moving.
But why can all these people do it? Like?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I think that that is a really great thing.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I think it is taking stigma away from people that
are using it, whether that is for you know, morbid
obesity or you're slightly overweight for whatever reason. We know
there is a huge amount of people that have health
issues off the back of being overweight. I'm not saying
Serena was overweight. She absolutely didn't look like she was
overweight in any capacity. But you can't be completely okay

(32:52):
with the fact that she's promoting something that you know
she's getting a kickback from. And then the question for
me then comes to, well, whose problem is that? Do
we just need to make sure we're more media literate
and say, like she has said that she's working for them.
We all know that her husband is on the board.
He's been on the board since twenty eighteen. We all
have that information. I don't think it's her responsibility or

(33:14):
can be blamed for promoting something and saying I'm being
paid for it. Then if we want to go and
use it, of course there is an advertising level there,
and responsibility might be the wrong word, but I think
as a consumer we still need to be made aware
that we're like, cool, we know she's getting paid for it,
we know she's used it. We know it's for this reason,
what do we want to do with that information?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
So this is where I disagree because I think we
can all And firstly, I think absolutely it's great that
someone like Serena Williams can be the face of a
weight loss drug where she's saying, hey, even I needed help,
So like, it's not about being lazy, it's not about
like corner cutting, It's about assistance. The problem for me
is is that this isn't about the actual drug itself.
It's about easing the accessibility to the drug. So the

(33:53):
fact that by saying, oh I got this through row Tallyhealth,
what she's actually saying in that is.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
It's really easy to access this.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
You don't have to go to your GP, you don't
have to have a face to face appointment. You can
just call up this telehealth program and that is how
you're going to be able to get a prescription. And
guess what, look at me, I've lost fourteen kilos. And
I think conflating that part of the accessibility of it
with also the monetary investment that she's receiving, and then
connecting that to the emotional piece. I mean, we all

(34:22):
know that celebrity endorsements are incredibly effective. It's the same
thing as influencer endorsements are incredibly effective. It's why brands
do it. I don't want to put the blame on
the consumer and be like, well, it's your fault if
you've just seen this and then you've run out the
door and gotten it. I think that's the reason why
celebrities are paid millions and millions of dollars to promote something,
because it sells, and because they are incredibly aspirational figures.

(34:45):
So I don't think it comes down to literacy. I
actually think it comes down to restrictions. This isn't the
first time that row Tellyhealth has done this. They did
a massive Super Bowl campaign with a male athlete whose
name I can't pull off the top of my head
right now, for a similar weight loss drug situation and
trying to show the accessibility of it. We have different
standards in Australia. You could not do this in Australia.

(35:05):
We can't even promote sunscreen as influencers quote unquote in
Australia because celebrity endorsements around things that should be pharmaceutically
or medically prescribed is really a gray area that I
think opens itself up for what happens is people go
doctor shopping. So if you haven't gotten the outcome that
you want from your doctor and they didn't prescribe you

(35:27):
that weight loss drug that you wanted, well don't worry.
Just call up this tell health company.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
They'll do it for you.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
And that's where I think the real problem lies. I
do think we're looking at this and conflating the two issues.
I think as a whole people are looking at it
without breaking it down and saying, you know, she absolutely
shouldn't be promoting that.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
She shouldn't be promoting the telehealth company. That's how I feel.
I feel like.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
It's okay for her to say, and it's good for
her to say she did it honestly with the zembic
or wegovi or whatever she used, whatever GLP one she used.
That's not the problem. The problem is exactly what you
just said, Laura. It's the Teleyhealth and that is because
there's no follow up. You don't get to talk to
a GP, you don't get to go through like full
medical histories, you don't actually know what is going to
come from it. You don't know if you're going to

(36:07):
be one of those people that has a really bad
reaction to it or a side effect to it, Like
you don't know those things, But it's the accessibility to
it for people without having the proper follow up care.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Interestingly, I don't know if you guys listen to this,
but The Daily Os did a three part investigation specifically
into weight loss medications in Australia. Very very eye opening,
and some of the practices of certain companies basically are
very much in line with what you're saying. They do
not provide what I would consider to be a standard
of care that I think most people would find appropriate.
But I do kind of almost want to flip this

(36:39):
in the Serena situation and talk about the accessibility and
maybe whether that's actually a good thing. So I think that,
you know, whenever we have these conversations about weight, it's
incredibly complex, and there are you know, eating disorder conversations,
and there's also like the effects of obesity on our economies,
the effects of obesity on people's health. But I learned

(37:00):
so much about this from Johan Hari's book Magic Pill.
We did an episode with him, and I think that
we fundamentally have a bit of a problem with people
losing weight very quickly, because historically we have seen weight
as something that you should be ashamed of, it's something
that you should feel bad about.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
And the only way that we've ever.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Really accepted weight loss is through struggle. It's through restriction,
it's through putting yourself through pain and suffering. And you know, interestingly,
that Biggest Loser documentary came out just last week where
we literally sat down and watched it on our TVs.
We watch people struggle through pain and restriction, so.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
That way humiliation.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
You know, there's just so much wrapped up in the
way that we view weight, and I think that it's
really hard to unpack that and undo that. And these
medications are giving us a fast track to people losing weight,
and I think that fundamentally, a lot of people do
still have a problem with that.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
They think it's a cheating way out.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
And so having someone like Serena Williams come out and say, actually,
there's so much more to this, like there is a
lot more psychology, there's a lot more in our environment
of processed food.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
It's not your fault that you've been put in this position.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
And even I needed assistance and I wonder if people
who might have a lot of complications associated with obesity
that might not have access to a doctor, or maybe
they have seen a specialist and their specialist for whatever
reason didn't think that it was an appropriate treatment for them.
I wonder if maybe increasing the access through a telehealth
company could be a good thing for them.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I think they have follow up. Well, this is the thing.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
I actually think that the problem is the way that
the telehealth companies are regulated. And from what I've heard about,
you know the situation in Australia, how unregulated they actually
can be. Well, I mean, you guys know, I just
called a good friend of mine who received weight loss
medication through an Australian telehealth company. The thing is is
that if you want to access something enough, you know

(38:56):
the things to say to be able to access it.
And the difference is is when you have to go
on sit in front of your GP. Firstly, you can't
doctor images, you can't change anything. You are the person
that you are, you are the weight that you are.
You walk into the GP, you have a face to
face you talk about all the reasons why you want
to go on a weight loss medication. My friend who
and Obviously this is a sample size of one, but
he very recently was prescribed through a telehealth Australian company.

(39:21):
He described the different techniques that can be used in
order to explain why it is that you need to
have this weight loss drug. You can also have the
telehealth meeting without your camera on and simply send through
a photo, so someone could send through a photo from
years before when they were bigger. You know, there's just
so many ways around it, and I do think it
lends itself to this shopping around to get the outcome

(39:42):
that you want as a patient, which is quite problematic,
I think I do. I mean, I know that Australia
is very different to the United States, and the United
States has such different rules for celebrity endorsements when it
comes to things like plastic surgery or pharmaceutical drugs. We
even had a similar conversation that was circul relating around
Vegan Trainer becoming the face of a breast implant surgery

(40:03):
and whether or not that was ethically okay. And I
think that this kind of sits within the same realm.
The reason that to me it feels icky. Even though
I would love I would love celebrities to start coming
out and being like, yeah, I lost weight because I'm
on a weight loss drug. I would love them to
be honest about it, because firstly, it sets an unrealistic
standard that they're not. But the reason why this one

(40:24):
feels icky is because it's not transparency, because you can't
be fully transparent if you're getting monetary kickback. If there
is a complication that goes wrong, if she does start
having side effects, if something is impacted, it is not
in Serena or her husband's best interest to come out
and say, hey, you know what, I got really bad
gastrointestinal problems or actually I ended up getting thyroid cancer

(40:47):
because I was on this weight loss drug for so long.
You know, there are a lot of I mean, there's
so much positive informations coming out about these, but there
are some really severe negative side effects that have been documented,
and I don't think that we would have that same
transparency when money is attached.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, I feel the same.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Most of the research at the moment actually says that
it changes the way that your reward center works. So
it's not just that you feel more full from food,
it's also that.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Food is less pleasurable.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
They're being used in addiction, alcoholism, PTSD treatment. Right now,
they're under clinical trials for treatment of those conditions because
of the way that it affects your reward center, and
with that can come very serious psychological consequences. You know,
if you're impacting the way that you experience pleasure, there
could be things like suicidal ideation. I think that, you know,
the question of duty of care is really really raised.

(41:36):
And in Johannhari's book Magic Peel, he did a survey
and found that forty seven percent of adult Americans said
that they would take these drugs if they were offered
to them. So, like, that is nearly half of the
adult population. And I just think that these drugs are coming.
They're coming in masses. They are going to be so

(41:58):
much more widely available, They're going to be more competitively priced.
Once they come off of Peyton, they're going to be
more accessible. And I liken it too kind of like
AI like, you can have as much resistance to this
personally as you, like, I just don't think you're going
to be able to make any change in the fact
that these things are going to impact our lives so much.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Oh yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
My only response My only response is that it's not
so much about it not coming and that we're all
sposed to stick our heads in the sand. It's that
I don't think that pharmaceuticals should have celebrity endorsements, and
in this case it's and I think they've gone about
it a really kind of sneaky way. Like we've established
it's not the weight loss drugs that has the celebrity endorsement,

(42:38):
per se. It's the access to the weight loss drugs
that has the celebrity endorsement. And so that to me,
I think blurs the line. It's like, I'm not telling
you to go out and get a weight loss drug,
but if you've been thinking about it, here's a really
quick and simple way to go and do it. All Right,
it is time for suck and sweet, our highlight and
our lowlat of the week.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Brinnany what's your suck My sucko of the week is?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
And this is actually I didn't really think about this,
but this is a very interesting time to the conversation
we just had. Delilah is a little bit overweight again.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
No, I know that we all made comments last week.
What has happened? Do you know what things are happening.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
She teeters, poor Delilah, she teeters a couple of kilos overweight.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's what the bet said she had. What Serena Williams
has been.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, I was like, we served one for dogs, but
she's got all these pekilos again. But I think she's
middle age now and they just I probably feed her.
We all feed her the same amount as we always
have when she was a couple of years younger, and
they burn. It's like us, like their metabolism slow down.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Everything changes.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
But she also has multiple people that look after her,
like obviously Keisha, but we have other dog walkers that
have her for a few days a week as well
when I'm at work.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
And I'm very guilty.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Of it, feeding at Nacho's on the table anyway, So.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
You're the only one who's guilty of it. I've spoken
to the other people.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
We're all like, no, we don't feed her more than
what she's her breakfast.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
No.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I fed her half her dinner the night before and
half in the morning.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Anyway, So she's overweight.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
So that's I've got to put her on diet, which
is really hard because she looks at me with his
eyes and I want to give.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I give a chip sometimes I am the corporate but
I can't.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I can't relate to this more because Buss has been
on a diet now for like almost six months.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
He's yeah, he's lost six kilos. Wow, he lost a lock. Well,
buses forty. No, he took another five. He was five kilos.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
He was forty two kilos and he's like right down.
But the vet was like, your dog is too fat.
And because he has his food or did you change it?
I cut his other leg off. Yeah, he took them off. No,
he's got one leg now because he's such a big dog,
forty two kilos with three legs. The vet was like,
he's getting old. He needs to be kept more underweight
because that will help him have a longer life. And

(44:39):
I was like, buddy, you're down to you're down to
one scoop and a big water.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And he was one scoop of dry food.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
He has one scoop of dry food and then he
has his veggies and stuff as well to bulk it
out with a little bit of rice. Yeah, but yeah,
it's not it's it feels like nowhere near enough. But
he's like the perfect weight now, So yeah, he doesn't.
He doesn't do a lot of exercise because he's old
and he's got three legs.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yeah, but that shows you much I feed Delilah. She
does so much exercise. Anyway, My sweet is as a
me problem, I'm working on it.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
There's this great Telly Health company in the state, so
you could give a call to it. I've actually just
booked in with them. It's super inscessible. I wonder if
dogs could take a zambo a corner cutting here, let's
not try.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
My sweet, My sweet is. It's baby Maya's first birthday today,
Happy Bay, Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So I will see her in a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
We're gonna have a little I don't know, I'll probably
make her cake with something, but I'm gonna fly up
and see her for a first birthday. But yeah, I
just feel like, I mean, you guys all know share
my sister Sharry. You know, baby Maya feels like yesterday
that she was born, like five weeks premiere. She's shot
straight out and now she's one. And I get like
what people say when they're like, oh, it just flies by,
It really does.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
So that's my sweet of the week. She's one.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Well, my suck of the week is Sunday's our soccer
day with Lola. Right, it's a it's a family packed
adventure day. I woke up on Sunday and I have
no idea why, but it happens to me like once
a month with this pregnancy. It's like the early day
of morning sickness Nausa comes back. So Sunday, I woke up,
sat up in bed and I was like, I feel weird,
got in the shower, and then I had this wave

(46:08):
of nausea. I think maybe I just sleep in a
weird angle and I have like a foot in my
liver for the entire night or something. But I felt
so sick, and then I started vomiting and I could
not stop vomiting for almost forty minutes and then still
had to pull myself together to get to soccer. So
you know, when like hear me out and I don't
know and where other people can relate to this. And
Matt is not an asshole, so like he is a
very supportive husband. But I think everyone has a bandwidth

(46:30):
for their empathy on sickness, right, And like, when you're pregnant,
you expect your partner to have nine months of unrelenting
empathy for the fact that you're like constantly in pain
and constantly uncomfortable and winging, and they it ebbs and flows.
Sometimes they have more, sometimes they have less, And he's
just so used to it now that he's like, Ah,
you vomited all the.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Time, That's fine.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
It becomes normal.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
It's normal.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
It's like if you get a one off sickness and
you're heaving, like it's, oh my god, I'm gonna look
after you.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
But it's like, oh, you do it all the time.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
It's become normalized for me now I've been doing this
for eight months.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
He literally was like so annoying. He's like, we need
to go. Can you stop anyway?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
So that was my suck and my suite for the
week is actually I feel like I had big swees.
I know we're not supposed to double up, but I
can't go past my baby shower. The baby shower I
never wanted that.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Now I'm so glad I had that we didn't go to.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
The only thing is is that I every time I
saw a Margarita tray come around, I was like.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Fuck, what I would do?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
What I would do for a Margie right now? So yeah,
that was my suite by far. It was just honestly
the best day. Having so many people that I adore
in a room together. It felt like it for like
a wedding because because we have like I have like
such like different groups of friends, but they all know
each other and everyone is friends. It kind of felt

(47:45):
like my hands again is what it felt like, except sober.
And there was no strip of bowls, which was weird
a shave, and.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
I didn't give you a lap dance.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I missed that. I did look forward to the lap dance.
I'm still waiting.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
You can give it to me today when you birth.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I'm going to give you a that's your push present,
stretch and sweet that you keep offering me.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
It's only one.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
It's a big one package, all right.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
That is it from USK guys. Let's get the hell
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