February 20, 2024 • 52 mins
Lifers, today's episode was wildly entertaining and so much fun!
We got to sit down with one of the world's most successful porn stars, Angela White! And she's home grown!
We spoke about Angela's first experiences in the porn industry and how it impacted her education in gender studies.
We chat:
- If orgasms are real in porn
- Boundaries in sex work
- The 'rules' in porn
- How to give blow jobs, dirty talk and start back door experiences
- Adult entertainment terminology - dp, tp and air tight (don't worry we didn't know what they were either)
- OnlyFans and whether the money is as lucrative as we think
- Angela's most viral moment
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders
past and present.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was
recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back
to another episode of Life Uncut.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and boy, do we have a
killer episode for you today. It is hot, it is saucy,
and it is sexy. It's a porn episode. We're talking
to the Queen of porn, Angela White. She's Ossie, she's homegrown.
She's got ten million follows on Instagram, She's won a
multitude of porn awards. She's in the top zero point
(00:46):
zero one percent on Only Fans.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I genuinely really loved this chat.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So Angela White is literally one of the biggest porn
stars in the entire world. Currently, she is inducted into
the Avian Hall of Fame. She has won wait for it,
sixty nine Avian Awards thus far.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That's Adult Video Network awards.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And also, she was just an incredible delight to speak to.
One of the things that I wanted to touch on
before we let you know what's in the episode, what's
in the conversation, because we really did ask Angela every
question that I have ever had that I wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
To ask an adult porn star. We got to ask that, Yeah,
like do you actually come.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Angela's experience of the porn industry is a very, very
positive one. It is sexually liberating and she loves what
she does for a job. And I know, over the
years we have spoken about the dark side of the
porn industry. We've spoken about how women have been degraded,
how women have been used within the porn industry, and
that is not Angela's experience. And I think one of
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the things I took from this where I so deeply
respected her and the way that she approaches her business
is her ability to set boundaries and the fact that
she is so educated in what she does. And it
was one of the big things that she spoke about
is this idea that Angela has never put herself into
a situation or a position sexually that she didn't feel
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she was ready for or wanted to do, and it
was because of her very strong boundaries around what she
will and won't do when it comes to the sex
and adult industry, Like everyone's.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Watched porn at some point. Right, I had so many
questions and I got so excited. I thought I could
ask this person anything I've ever wanted to know about porn.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
What do I want to know?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And the first thing that came to my head is
are you really coming? That's what I wanted to know, Like,
are you guys really orgasming or is it just an act?
And it's an interesting answer.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, And she talks about like the theatrics of it, right,
like the theatrics of the porn industry and how you
are creating entertainment. We also asked her the best techniques
for different types of sex acts. We talked about kinks
and fetish's. Angela White is, like we said, one of
the very very top echelons when it comes to only fans,
and she talks about the different kinks and the different
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requests that she's received through that platform. Honestly, she is
an incredibly open book. There was not one question that
Angela wasn't prepared to answer. And for so many of us,
porn is an industry that over the years, we've had.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To make up our own opinions on.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Right, I think so many people have a different type
of bias when it comes to this type of work.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Some people are more liberal, more accepting of it. Other
people have.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Their own thoughts and opinions on it. And I would
dare say that no matter where you sit on that scale,
Angela will challenge your opinions on the porn industry.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
She's intelligent, she's wonderful, and she was an absolute delight
to talk to you. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I
hope you guys do too. Now, this is our first
time having an adult entertainer on the podcast, and I'm
very excited about it. I feel like we literally shot
straight to the top where we didn't get anyone. We
got the one, the only, Angela White.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, thank you so much for having me. I feel
honored to be your first. I'm taking your virginity.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh my god, virginity gone.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We just started this and we were like, what's your
accidently unfiltered story, what's your most embarrassing thing? And Angela's
response to that was nothing makes me embarrassed anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, I think it really does have to do with
my job, because we are so free at work. You know,
I'm naked on the internet. My gaping asshole is out
there for everyone to see. So I feel like I
just don't get embarrassed about anything anymore. The question I
get asked a lot that I'm always stumped with is
what's the funniest thing that's ever happened to you on set?
(04:19):
And I'm like, ah, I don't know, nothing funny happens,
because I guess some people would be embarrassed or think
it's funny if someone queefs, or if there's like a
bodily noise while you're having sex, and it's so normalized
in my industry that nothing that funny happens. The only
thing I can think of is there was one scene
that I was doing. I was fucking myself with a
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dildo and the director said something funny and it actually
shot out of my pussy and hit the camera operator.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
In the head.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It was one of those rubber ones, so they're not
super heavy, so it was just a funny moment. But
those are the kinds of things I guess it happened
on set.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But so question before we get into it. I mean
in my intro that I said adult entertainer, but colloquially
the term is porn star. How do you feel about
that term and how do people in the industry feel
about that term? Does that have like a derogatory connotation
to it? Or are you happy just to say porn star?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Oh yeah, I'm happy to be known as a porn star.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Absolutely, So how did you become a porn star?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay, let's be serious.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That was serious, but I'll say it in a nicer way.
Did you always grow up in a sex positive environment?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
What was your upbringing like?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Because one of the questions I always have when I
see somebody in the porn industry is I feel like
it's such an extreme jump for so many people.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is it sort of like that slow burn? Or how
do you get there?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Well to your first question, in terms of how I
grew up, it was a mixed bag in terms of
whether it was a sex positive environment. So at home
it was sex positive. My mum was very open with
me about what sex was. In fact, she gave me
a copy of the High Report when I came of
age so that I could learn how to masturbate, because
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it's actually difficult when you're first learning your body to
know how to make yourself orgasm. So that was an
amazing resource for me to learn how other women make
themselves come. So my home life was very open and
very sex positive. But then as I started to express
my sexuality during my high school years, I was criticized
for the way that I expressed and explored it, so
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it was not sex positive in high school. This was
way before slut walks, way before women were really starting
to embrace their sexuality openly. So it was a tough
time for me in high school. And that was actually
kind of what led me on the journey into porn
because pornography was the first place where I saw women
being celebrated for expressing their sexuality. And I was very
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explorative when I was young. I wanted to have sex
with men and women, and I just wanted to try everything.
I was just so fascinated with sex and so excited
to try things, and you know, my peers weren't.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Very happy about that. Yeah, how do you like?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean and talking about like friend relationships, because I
would assume that growing up through school, people would have
an impression as to who you are, and then when
you're like, cool, I'm trying this thing, I'm going to
get into porn I'm doing XYZ, people would have such
a strong feeling about her, or they would have such
a strong expectation as to who they thought you were
going to be. How did you navigate that period of
your life.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
On the one hand, my close friends, they as soon
as I said I wanted to get into porn, they
got it. They understood who I am, and ye like, Okay,
that's obvious, that's that's your future. But I mean kids
are mean, like, if they have any opportunity to criticize
you about anything, they're going to do it. And at
the time, sexuality was a great way to criticize someone,
(07:44):
I guess. But when I finally got into pornographa actually
way as slow as eighteen obviously, But I was in
my last year of high school when I turned eighteen,
So I flew to America and shot my first scenes
while still in high school. So came back as magazine
and DVDs were being released with my content. So that
was really interesting experience seeing how my peers reacted to that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So you were technically you were of legal age, you
were eighteen, but you were technically.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Still in school. Yes, that's wow. What was the reaction
like that?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
At school and with teachers, because I mean, I think
the thing that makes me feel uncomfortable about that is
in fact that, because you were technically still finishing school,
your teachers could have been watching that.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That actually never crossed my mind when I was doing it.
I actually one of my teachers helped me a lot,
a female teacher. I'd never seen my asshole. I didn't
know what assholes were supposed to look like. I'd never
really looked at them, even though I had watched porn
and one of my first magazines. The spread just had
me completely spread open, and I was like, Oh, that's that.
(08:51):
That's what my asshole looks like. Is that normal? I
had no idea, and now I realized it was I
guess inappropriate at the time, but one of the female
teachers was happy to look for me and was like, oh, yeah,
it's totally normal. At the time, it was really helpful
because I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I mean, my question around this is like, how do
you make that transition, especially at eighteen, when you're like,
this is something I wanted to try, I wanted to
get into. It seems like listening to the story, it
seems like such an extreme version of getting into it.
You know, I would have thought, Hi, I did something webcamed,
and then I did this, and then like, you know,
I met a local producer and then but like flying
to the States and doing something that seems quite a
(09:29):
full on and immersive experience for your very first time
in porn, Like, what was your reaction to that, and
how did that opportunity even present itself?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It was all me. I saw pornography at fourteen and
immediately wanted to do it. Obviously, I waited till I
was eighteen to get involved in the industry. But I
had those four years to research what I wanted to do,
which companies I wanted to shoot for, how I could
do it safely, how I could contact them. So I
had four years of researching what my first steps would
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be to get into the en industry. I think that
was really helpful for me.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Did your parents at the time know that you were
going to do that or is that something you felt
like you couldn't tell them.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's not that I couldn't tell them, It's just that
I was young and I was very open with my
mom about my sexuality and things that I was exploring,
but I didn't tell her that until I turned eighteen.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, in terms of you said that you found like
safe ways in which to get into the industry, because
I think it has over time been shrouded with women
who have been underprivileged or have been kind of been
made to move into it out of circumstances. How did
you ensure that you were working with production companies that
were safe? How did you ensure that you were protecting yourself?
(10:40):
And I guess more broadly, what was your experience in
those first few years when you were so young.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It was a lot harder back then. Actually, it's much
easier now because you can contact other performers via social
media and ask about their experiences, or listen to performers
on podcasts and they can talk about the companies they've
had great experiences with. For me, back then, social media
wasn't big, so I literally just had to get access
to pornography, read the magazines, read the interviews in the magazines.
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And one of the things that helped me choose the
first company that I worked with was they were working
with a lot of international models, So it was clear
that they were willing to fly international models around the
world to shoot them. And these models kept coming back
again and again and again. The rationale for me was like, well,
they wouldn't keep coming back and shooting for this company
if they weren't an ethical company or fun to shoot with.
(11:31):
So that was how I chose the first company that
I worked with. And then back in those days, I mean,
I've been in the industry for twenty years now, it
was an old school disc that I sent them with
a handwritten letter, snail mail. You're like, fly me over.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So you went to this is what I found fascinating.
But you went to university and you studied gender studies. Yeah,
talk to us a little bit about that and why
you didn't tell your peers that you were in porn.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
So the reason I ended up studying at the University
of Melbourne and focusing on gender studies and sex and
sexuality was because when I got into porn, it felt
so liberating, empowering. It felt so great to be in
this space where I could finally express and explore my
sexuality in a safe place with peers that would support me.
(12:19):
So I was having the time of my life. But
when I would speak to other people that were in
the industry, they would ask questions like don't you feel
degraded and that it was a confusing question to me,
because what are you talking about. I'm doing what I love.
I get to have sex with these incredible people all around.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
The world and get paid.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, this is incredible for me. And it was those
questions that led me down this rabbit hole of where
are these arguments coming from? And a lot of them
were coming from anti sex work feminist arguments, and I
wanted to learn more about that, and that's why I
ended up going down the route of gender studies and
studying some of those. I mean, obviously not all feminists
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or anti sex were there's a lot of feminists that
are sex positive, and so just learning those arguments so
I could understand where those opinions were coming from was
really important for me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And then the choice not to talk about what you
did with your colleagues, your peers.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Oh yes, I just I wanted to be able to.
I mean, I did study under Sheila Jeffries, who is
an anti sex work feminist, and I wanted to hear
her arguments without anyone kind of making an assumption that
I was going to disagree or agree, Like, I just
wanted to hear what she had to say, and I
wanted to understand her arguments with an open mind. I
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really did want to go in there with an open
mind and understand where the negative arguments were coming from.
And I also I just wanted to study like a
normal student. I didn't want all the students there. This
was at a time when my profile was a lot
smaller as well. I just wanted to be treated like
a regular student.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It's so interesting to know that you sat underneath someone
who had very confis views to you and was like, Okay,
I'm open minded to this. I'm open minded to your viewpoints,
and they want to understand why you feel the way
that you feel of an industry that you haven't necessarily
worked in at all.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
What did you take away from that?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I mean, Sheila is a little bit in an extreme
case because she actually thinks penetrative sex is rape, you know,
So it's yeah, yeah, so look, I might be butching
her arguments slightly, but I remember taking away that from
her lecture. Yeah, and that you know, you should become
a political lesbian. So I was like, Okay, that's, you know,
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on the extreme end. For me, I think it was
good for me to learn the different ends of the spectrum,
and I think it really made me very balanced in
the way that I see pornography, because when I first started,
I was like, everything's incredible, it's liberating, it's the best
thing I could ever do, like, and just seeing the
other side being like, okay, So there are situations where
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maybe companies might not act ethically, or maybe women aren't
setting up their boundaries strongly enough to create an environment
where they feel safe. So it just balanced out my
view on the industry.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
But I think it's incredible to have the flip side
of it, because you know, and more and more people
who have experienced your experience are speaking positively about it
and saying, well, not everyone who's working within the industry
are doing so under duress. Not everyone who's working the
industry is doing so because they have no other options
in life. And I think it reframes the balance between
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the two because there will be people who have made
those decisions because maybe they didn't have other options. But
then there's people who are doing it and it is
a very much consenting and like liberating choice for them
in terms of like your benchmark now for okay, what
you will and won't do, what you're comfortable with what
makes you uncomfortable?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Has that grown over time?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Like did you walk into the porn industry and go, cool,
I'm only going to do this kind of porn and
then you're like, oh, I guess I'll do this, and
then it kind of just evolves.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's a porn snowball. You're like, all of a sudden,
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I actually did girl girl only for eight years. Really. Yeah,
So I've really throughout my entire career, I've really had
very strong boundaries about what I will and won't do.
And it's just always based on this fuck yer principle.
So if someone asked me, would you like to do
this kind of scene and it isn't an immediate fuck year,
then it's a no.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I have to be enthusiastically consenting to whatever the scene
type is or whatever the act is, or otherwise it's
just absolutely a no, I'm not ready.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Has that ever impacted you negatively in terms of career opportunities,
because that's amazing. So I think that that's something that
people are fearful of, Like when you want to make
it in an industry, it doesn't matter what industry is,
some people feel fearful to say no to opportunities, and
that's when you can get yourself into situations where you
do things you're not comfortable with. No what made you
do it, but you're doing it because you're fearful of
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what the no might bring versus you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, the Internet means there's a space for everyone. There's
a space for every niche, there's a space for every
body type, and there's a space for what you want
to do. So for me, I was very successful only
doing Girl Girl. I didn't need to do boy Girl.
It just so happens that I got eight years into
my career and I started thinking about boy Girl and
it was the first time that when I thought about it,
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I didn't have some sort of niggling like, oh, I
don't know which is not a fuck Yeah, eight years
in I thought about boy Girl and I was like
fuck Yeah. It just was just a moment where I
felt comfortable. Was the transitional period in my life. It
was actually just after I'd graduated from the University of Melbourne.
I was like, I want to try something new, and
I started thinking about it and I was like, yeah,
this is the right time.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I was really excited about doing this interview because there's
so many questions that I had, even just me about
when you watch porn, those questions growing up that you're like,
the only way I'm ever going to know this is
if I sit down and speak to a porn star.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So I'm frothing this.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Do you actually orgasm for real in these situations or
is it just like I'm literally here to act, I've
got my scene, I'm going to going to go through
the motions.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
For me, it's sometimes, and it really depends on the
environment that the director creates. So if we're shooting a
gonzo scene, which is an all sex, non scripted scene,
which means I'm able to do basically whatever I want
with my on screen partner, that is very conducive to
real orgasms. That is when we're able to connect and
(18:24):
really have authentic sex as if the camera wasn't there.
But if I've been booked for a scene where it's
going to be heavily directed, and sometimes in heavily directed scenes,
the director is not only telling you which positions to
go into, they're telling you when, and they're telling you when.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
To orgasms, So they're literally like okay, doggy for ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Flip yet longer, always longer five.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Seconds, no way, But are they behind the screen going
like in three to one where missionary in five four three.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Where doggy not quite like that? But yes, because of
course she's not going to come right.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah. I mean it's hard when a man in the
corner is like, okay, come for us now.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Like that and he's not even involved in the scene.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, And some directors say we need an orgasm in
every position, but that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Also sounds like half of the people I ever slept with,
they're like, Okay, come baby.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Come down. I'm like, nowhere near a babe. Like, it's
not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I would like to know it, Like, how does it
impact your dating life in the real world? Do you
only date people who work in the entertainment industry? Do
people get jealous? Like how do you navigate your real
life dating alongside your on screen romances.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
It's a lot easier for me to date within the
industry or in entertainment in general, because I think people
in the entertainment industry get it a little bit more.
But I'm always open to dating outside. It's just it's
hard to understand the industry when you're not in it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, and I guess like so many people, and it
lives on such a scale, but there is so much bias,
you know, and there are so many preconceived ideas about it.
And so even if if you think that you show
up to this space quite liberal thinking, I think unless
you've actually worked in it and you understand the nuances,
you're always gonna have some feelings of like, oh but
what about that scene or what about this thing? You know,
(20:12):
there's always gonna be a question mark somewhere in your mind,
and it's so hard to overcome that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
In total, Well, I don't think the question will always
be there because there are a lot of performers that
do have partners that are not in the industry, that
are not performers themselves. And so I think over time
you can Even if you're not in it and you
haven't done it, I mean, you're not going to understand
it one hundred percent. Yeah, but being around it long enough,
you're going to understand like the differences and the boundaries
(20:38):
and you know, porn sex versus real life sex and
what the dynamics are. So there, it's possible.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yes, Yeah, both think it just comes down to the
person the individual you're going to date.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And I mean I dated.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Someone once that didn't want me to kiss somebody in
a scene, in an acting scene because they were like,
I feel like that's cheating.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I'm not happy with it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So if if that individual, they might respect your job
and understand its work, but still not be comfortable with
watching you fuck someone else all the time. And that
just comes down to the person. So have you ever
dated outside I have? Yeah, yeah, I have, and it
has worked. It has worked, So I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It is about the individual person and their comfort levels and.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, and the insecurity levels.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
You know, it leads to a lot of people out.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, I can goodly imagine.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You have a very interesting story about how you got
into well, how do I put this? Knowing how well
you could do anal? How did you discover this? Because
I would love to know the ins and outs of
how you get to a place where you're like, well,
didn't know my body could do that.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
But thing being well, yeah, originally I was not going
to do anal and porn. I did not think that
my butt could do what it clearly can do if
you've seen.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well done, because mine absolutely fucking comes well you say that.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It's not going it's a one way street.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That fair enough. Everybody's body is different. But it was
during a webcam show that I learned that my buttthole
is quite magical.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I was a magical uniform, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I was just I was doing a one on one
show and I slid one finger in my arse and
it felt good, so I thought, well, just slip in
a second, and then a third went in really easy
in the full and I was so relaxed, and then
suddenly I had my whole fist in my arm.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
You're like, how do we get here? Like I'm shouldered deep,
like there's no coming back.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm like okay, wow, Like, as long as I'm in
an environment where I feel safe and relaxed, and obviously
I was in my bedroom at home, I'm doing this
webcam show, so it was a very safe, relaxing environment.
I was like, Wow, my butthole can open up. And
that's the moment that I was like with my hand
and my butt, I was like, I can take porn
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sized ditcks in my butt. I can.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I can also love it. That's the moment where you
have this little light bulb. You're like, oh, here, we
are in this compromising position and then I know what
I'm in for.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, once you've recorded something and it's out there forever,
especially if you're kind of discovering it when you're on screen.
Have you ever done anything where you've then courned around
and been like, oh, maybe I wish I hadn't done that,
Or have you always felt as you've kind of moved
along this process that you're like, Okay, I feel really
confident and happy with the decisions I've made, and there's
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been no regrets.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
So I don't regret anything. And there's nothing that I've
done that I thought I wish I hadn't done that.
But there's things that I've done that I'm like, Okay,
I've learned, I don't want to do that again. And
that's been about exploring my boundaries on camera, and it's
been great being a director and producer because all of
my first I directed and produced myself. So I directed
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my first DP, my first an Or, my first Blowbank,
my first gang Bang, my first double anal. So I'm
in control. I'm so double penetration. So I was. I'm
glad you asked, because we in the industry, we have
all these this terminology that we use that I guess
regular people don't. So if I ever say something the
DP penetration, Yeah, so that's one in the pussy and
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one in the butt, and then you can do I've
done t P, which is triple penetration.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Mouth.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
No, that's air tight. Oh god, more that air tight
going in. So triple would be two in the vagina
and one in the butt or two in the butt
and one.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
How do they come at you like that?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah? The hardest part is the bodies, because the male
bodies have to.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Get to people got bodies.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
So okay.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Question when you in a quote unquote normal job, like
you're at work at a hospital and you've got your
pay grades and you tick the boxes and you're like,
I can be paid more now because I've done this.
Is it the same in the porn industry where if
you are performing, if you're going from DP to treat TP, yes, yeah,
time whatever, HAIRT If you're going up the pay grades
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and then you go into gang bangs and you're going
too anal like from vaginal to anal. These all reasons
where you go to a production and you say, if
I'm doing triple, I'm getting paid more.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
If I'm doing ANAL, I'm getting paid more. Of course,
more labor the more. Hey, I love this.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm loving the moment where you're like, I have my
fist in my backside and I get paid more for this.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You're like, I this is I've unlocked. I've unlocked any level.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know. In my whole career, it's never been about money.
It's always been about what I'm excited to do. And
that's the thing, Like when I'm directing the scene, it's
not like I'm paying myself more for these acts, like
you're only the joint. Definitely, if I'm working for another
company and I'm doing anal, anal requires more labor time.
There's a lot of there's a process that we go
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through to clean out and prepare for anal. So more
labor time equals more money. And for me, I always said, like,
you're not paying me extra for anal, You're paying me
not to eat because I love eating.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, yeah, totally yeah for that pre care in the aftercare,
what about only fans? Because that has completely changed the
landscape of adult entertainment.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
How has it been different for you?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And when it very first came out, Like, was there
a process of jumping on board, or did you see
it instantly as like, Okay, this is another avenue for
me to be able to work but also earn an income,
but also you know, explore this industry in a different way.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
It was really COVID that got me on OnlyFans and
I was in my house, not able to shoot how
I usually do, and I was like, what can I do?
I still want to express my sexuality and be able
to earn a living. And I thought, okay, I had
already opened I had an Only Fans, but I wasn't
really I wasn't really using it. I was updating it
very sporadically. And so OnlyFans was great during the pandemic
(26:25):
because I could just work from home and do my
little shows just solo masturbation, and still earn money and
still have a way to connect with my fans.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Which was great. And you're in the top zero point
zero one percent.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So I'm fascinated, and you do not have to answer
this if you don't want to. But we see a
lot of big people come out and saying I'm in
the top zero point zero one point one percent. I
earned seven million dollars in two months whatever, what does
the finances look like for you?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
In terms of that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You don't have to give us a dollar value, but
is it what we're seeing. Is it as lucrative as
what we're seeing.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yes, some of those numbers are absolutely realistic. Not everybody
in the top zero point zero one percent is making
seven million dollars in two months, but it's really good money.
It's really amazing, and it's definitely changed the entire porn
industry because it's empowered performers to be their own boss.
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Every performer is now a content creator, so they're owning
their own content, which they can use later on down
the track for a passive income. They get to use
that for the rest of their lives to earn money.
It's been really incredible, life changing money for a lot
of people, and that makes the porn industry a better
place too, because there's less people going into the porn
industry for financial reasons because you can just do your
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own only fans. So now people in porn are like, Oh,
I'm here because I really, really, really freaking want to
be here.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Do you think, because I think it's almost like this
surefire way of making money is the way it's been sold.
People think if they started only fans, they're going to
make a lot of money very very quickly. And I
guess the trouble then that some people might run into
is that they're getting into the industry for the reasons
they're getting into it because it's you know, they think
that they're going to be making tens of thousands of
dollars almost instantly, versus the love of the industry.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well, just because somebody says they're in the top zero
point zero one percent doesn't mean that money came easily. Yeah,
there's a lot of work that goes into that. I
think that people that already have a public profile, so
I had already built up my name and brand within
the industry before I got onto OnlyFans, it's I'll say easier,
it's not easy. It's easier for me to earn money
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on only fans because I've already built up that fan
base that I from social media that I can push
towards my only fans. If you already have built up
a brand and a name, then you can take your
fans with you to another platform. If you're starting with
with no brand, you're going to have to build that
brand up so it's not like a get rich quick scheme.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, it's the same as like, I mean, you know,
the comparable is like starting an Instagram account and thinking
that you're instantly going to have hundreds of thousands of followers. Like,
it's the same thing about growing this audience bace around.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
What's your offering, Well, it's a business, you've got to
build it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
What is more lucrative the porn industry or only fans
for you, only fans, you're like, by far, by far?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
What impact has that had on the adult entertainment industry
in terms of like a traditional sense, because back in
the day when it was production houses and it was bigger,
larger scales, shoots, and now people are able to do
it in their own homes or have more agency over
their work. Has that had a flow on effect in
terms of how porn is produced?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well, I will say to the start of your question,
when porn became more easily accessible, that was actually really
bad for the adult industry because piracy and torrenting meant
that there was less money for the industry, which also
meant less money for performers. The great thing about only
fans is it's behind a paywall, so now fans need
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to pay if they want access to the content. So
I think Only Fans has been really positive in that sense.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, that's so interesting. What would be some of the
weirdest requests that you get on Only Fans?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I will say, nothing's weird to me anymore. Nothing, nothing's weird.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
But I will say I find weird. Okay, what requests
that you get would I find weird? On any fits?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I get requests for absolutely everything from foot fetish stuff
to shrinking fetishes drinking. So there are people that like
the idea of being shrunk. So for example, I'll give
them like.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Like put in the oven, like a little packet of
chips that shrink.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Usually not in the oven, it's usually a potion. You know,
I give you a little lemonade and I've put a
little magic potion in there, and you drink it. You
don't know what's happening, and then suddenly you start to
shrink and you become a little tiny. This is a.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
What was that movie that was around when we were
all kids, and they shrink? That is like, that's a
fetish that's been like instilled in people from that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I thought about that, but I think you might be right.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So people, So this isn't just like a couple of people.
This is a proper fish that people want to think
that they're a.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Tiny little yeah thing.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, and then you have sex not no, okay, So
they want all different things there, all unique. So some
just want to play hide and seek, so they're like
the idea of like I.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Need everything, I need so much more, so.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
They're like I'm a giant test. So usually when I
do these custom videos, or when I used to do
it on webcam, what I would do is I'd give
them the potion and then i'd take the webcam or
the camera and I'd slowly put it down on the
floor so it looks like I'm growing that they're shrinking.
So I don't slowly put it down on the floor,
so they're really tiny, and then they're looking up at me,
so I look like a giant test. And then we'd
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play hide and go seek, so I'd be in my
heels and i'd kind of stomp around look for them.
And then some want to be picked up and put
in your pocket, just carried around with you, or like
put in your cleavage and.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Listen, there your vagina.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Right now, it's.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Everyone, everyone's out and then there are some people that
actually go a step further and they like vore so
they're like the idea of being eaten by you. So
so I mean it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I guess it's like the list of things that people
can enjoy is like whatever your imagination could come up,
like it's literally limitless, and I think I know, but
it's so fascinating to me, and I think it is.
It's truly incredible to get to a point where nothing
where you're like, that's cool, let's do this, you know, like,
and I'm sure that there's some requests that you get
where you're like, you know what, that'sside something I feel
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comfortable doing.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But that's right, you do you boom.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But I think it's very very cool to have such
little shame, stigma, judgment, because that's the biggest thing, especially
when it comes to kings. Most people are so embarrassed
to ask for the things that get them off because
it is seen as being like embarrassing or shameful, and
it's it's a very cool and the rooting place to
be where you are, and even to see that in
the way that you speak and the way that you
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explain it it's very very very nice.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
What in addition to that, what are some of the
things that you have put a boundary out and you've
said that request is too.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Far anything illegalation? Yeah, I mean, as long as it's
fun and concern I'm open to two different fantasies, even
some like consensual non consent fantasies, Like I personally like
those as fantasies. Obviously, I don't think that your fantasies
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have to be politically correct. I think as long as
it's happening between consenting adults, then.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, what is sex like for you outside of work?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And I say that because you know, you hear chefs
that cook all day and they go home and they
don't want to cook anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
They don't want to cook for their family. They're like,
why would I want to do that? Done that all day?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Does that take away the magic of you for sex
in your real life with a partner when you have
been having sex on camera all day?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
No, that's no. I love sex. The thing is, I
will say that my sex life off camera is much
more intimate because I'm finally able to so when we're
on set, we have to open up for the light.
We have to open up for the camera so you
can see the penetration. So when I'm not having sex
on camera, I love to be really close to someone,
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wrap my legs around them, wrap my around them, like
just be really really close, which I can't always be
in porn. So I would say, if anything, it's increased
my intimacy offset.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Do you have people that come to you and ask
for advice, often in terms of not just how to
get into the industry, but also like how to have
better sex themselves?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, I do get Every time I go to a convention,
almost every fan has some question to ask about, whether
it's like how do I perform this sexual act or
how do I become closer with my partner? So I
try to create a safe environment for my fans to
be able to ask me those questions, just like I
try to create a safe environment for my fans to
share their fantasies that maybe they don't feel comfortable sharing
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with other people in their lives.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Especially with sex, because I think we just expect people
to be good at it, But it's like anything, you
get better at it when you learn what you're doing,
what someone likes. Everyone likes different things. I go back
to like, being in your twenties, you kind of would
just be like, Oh, they're good at it or they're
bad at it. It was like something that you're expected
to have this like natural affinity for I would love
to know in terms of like tips, tricks, things that
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you recommend. Maybe there's a few that we can throw
at you. Okay, if somebody was like, where do I
start with a blowjob? What would be your number one
that you're like, this is how this is the top tier. Yeah,
these are the rules and regulations when it comes to
finessing the blowjob.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Obviously, with any sex act, communication is key, asking in
a sexy way what your partner likes, or as you're
going down and doing it, being like do you like that?
Do you want it faster? Slower? Just adding communication in
a sexy way.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Even though she said that, I was like, I was like,
I do.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I do.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So I think that's the number one for it. But
that's any sex act. That's the number one thing is
communication and then oh lots of spit for a blowjob.
I think going nice and slow is good. Don't always
like look at porn like sometimes we're giving like very
aggressive deep threading blowjobs. This is theatrical blowjobs. I think
going nice and slow and sensual is really nice, and
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then building up top throating if you want to. But honestly,
I think deep throating looks incredible in pornography. I actually
don't think it's like the greatest feeling for every guy
or the girl.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Or the girls. Yeah, or like spear in the back.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Some things that you watch on porn are theatrical because
there is that debate around, well, is it changing the
way that people think sex is supposed to be, especially
for like young people who watch porn, and then they're like,
maybe that's how I'm supposed to behave in the bedroom.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Like what would be your advice to that? Because first,
the young people should not be watching porn. Yeah, it's
for adults. It's made by adults for adults. So that's
the first thing. And it's just like any kind of media,
Like if a kid's watching an action film, it's easy
for parents to explain to them, Okay, this car that's
jumping over a bridge, this is not how we drive.
We don't watch The Fast and Furious to learn how
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to drive. We don't watch porn to learn how to
have sex, like it is in the end entertainment, and
there are things in porn that are real sex, but
depending on the kind of scene that you're shooting, it'll
be could be more theatrical.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, And I find this so interesting because when I
say young people, I don't necessarily mean I don't mean
kids like my long term boyfriend, and that was my
you know, one of two sexual partners at the time,
so I didn't really I didn't have much comparison. He
watched so much porn, Like I'm talking, he would masturbate
six times a day because you watch porn all the
time level, which I didn't know at the time that
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that was what was going on. We lived together, but
the sex was always as though he was trying to
have sex, like we were in a porno and it sucked.
Like the sex for me was not good because there
was no intimacy. It was rough, but it was also
it was type of porn that he liked, but it
certainly wasn't the type of porn that I like. And
I think that sometimes some people can think if they
don't have the experience, like that's how it's supposed to be.
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That's my reference for sex.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I think there's also a communication problem there, and I
think that maybe in general people have a hard time
still talking to their partners about sex because if he
was communicating with you and asking you do you like this,
baby like, and you can be like, no, stop it,
it's about it full off, like if there's no communication
(38:08):
there as well, like it's not I mean, he has
to be aware enough to ask you what you like,
and you have to be confident enough to be truthful
in the answer, and maybe during the moment in the
sex it's not the easiest to have that conversation, but
maybe having a moment before or after sex to talk about,
like what feels good for your body would really help
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in those moments, because I mean, there are some things
that are done in poem that potentially could feel great
for you, but other things, I mean, everybody is different
as well.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
One of the questions we get a lot from our
listeners is dirty talk and if it's something that a
lot of people aren't comfortable with, and when they are,
it's pretty limited, like it's very standardized, like yeah, baby
like that, fuck me?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, how do you suggest people start to bring that
dirty talk in?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
And what are some examples of things that are just
like easy to put out there from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I think the easiest way to start with dirty talk
is just to describe in a sexy way what's happening
or what you want to happen. So like, if you're
having penetrated sex, just talk about how it feels like
your cock feels so good inside my pussy. Go a
little slower, oh my gosh, yes, right there, suck on
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my tits while you do it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
This is why you need people who have actually got
the experience, because anytime we've ever spoken about dirty talk,
you and iyebr it wear like.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Do it like this? Like not as I do, do
as I say. Speak yourself. I'm pretty good. I think
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Well. I think the other thing that's really important is
it has to feel natural to you. Yeah, don't copy
and paste what you hear in port unless that's kind
of how you feel and that's what you want. You
really need to be in the moment thinking about your body,
what you want, what your partner likes. Don't write a script.
Just be in the moment and be like, yes, I
love how you're touching me like that. Will you pull
my hair please? Whatever it is? Hey, you might start
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talking dirty to them, and they might start just talking
dirty back in ways that you never imagined they do it, so,
I think, and that's another thing about communication. It's all
about being in the moment and seeing how your partner reacts,
and if they're reacting in a great way, keep doing
what you're doing, but also making it authentic to you.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
One thing I'm interested in is, I mean, the last
couple of years, we've seen this movement with a me
too movement?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
What is that like in your industry?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
When you know we're hearing in talking about people that
are crossing boundaries?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
What is that like in your industry?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Is it something you experience when normal people crossing boundaries?
For you, the boundary starts at sex, Like your job
is to be having sex and having those Yeah, those
really close connections with people. Is it something your industry
has experienced And have you ever experienced something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I've been really fortunate that I've never experienced something like
that personally. But the industry had our own me too
movement at the same time as the mainstream industry did,
so there were a lot of people that were weeded
out of the industry that were doing unethical things and
as a result of that, more and more mainstream companies
have now implemented a consent boundary checklist before we actually
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shoot the scene, right before. So I'm a contract star
for Brawsers, which is the biggest porn company in the world,
and before we actually shoot any part of the sex,
the talent sit down with a talent liaison and we
go through an extensive checklist of sex acts and we
mark yes, no, and then there's a little spot for clarification.
So it goes through everything from kissing to hair pulling,
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to nipple pinching, penetrative sex object insertion, pegging, rimming. The
list is endless and we say yes, no or clarification.
So we might say yes to choking, but light what.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Happens in the instances though, where you're doing it alongside
someone and they have overstepped. So even if you say okay, yeah,
I'm fine with light choking, but maybe in the moment
someone has gotten carried away with the role that they're playing,
what happens?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Is there a stop down? Like how does that get navigated?
Speaker 4 (42:05):
So that's why we have the talent liaison on set,
so they're watching the scene and if any point anyone
oversteps a boundary where we've said no on the checklist,
then they're there to step in cut and like make
sure everyone's okay. It's never actually happened to me personally,
but they're there as a safety guard to make sure.
And then also performers on set have the right at
any moment to call cut any moment.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And that's standard with all of the production.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
That's standard. Okay, So at any moment if you're uncomfortable,
even if you need a water break or you're getting
a cramp, whatever it might be, while you need to
stop for a moment, God, you're going hard.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
If I haven't cramped in a long time, I need
to up the ante.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
But yeah, what would be your recommendation if there's someone
who wants to get into the industry, And I mean
I know that we have only fans and there's so
much more accessible information on online, but for someone who's
done it and navigated themselves, what would be your recommendation
for the safest way to explore the adult industry?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I think exploring it on your own first before you
start working with any mainstream companies is a great idea.
So starting an only fans or starting a porn hub
channel and just directing your own scenes and creating your
own content first so that then you can kind of
know what your boundaries are before you're even getting onto
a mainstream porn set. I think you learn a lot
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through self producing and directing, And for me, the biggest
thing that made me a better performer was actually editing
my own scenes, like looking back and seeing where my
placement was for my leg for example, like just a
couple of inches moving your knee forward, can let the
light in, let the camera see the penetration. These things
really help you become a better performer.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
As someone that has literally tried everything, it's in some capacity.
What's your favorite position and the quickest way for you
to orgasm?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Oh, the quickest is probably Okay, I'm gonna put it
out here. I love edging, so a quick orgasm for
me is not ideal. I love to edge and just
like really build it up so I can have a
really hard orgasm. If I really just want to get
it done, then penetration with a vibe on my clit
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is the quickest. So mission on your own, well, on
my own, yeah, that is the absolute quickest. But if
I want to be really quick with a partner, then
missionary penetrative sex and a vibe on my clit. That's amazing.
But I think my favorite is either going to be
missionary or cowgirl, so that I can have close missionary
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a close cowgirl so I have clteral stimulation at the
same time as penetration. That's the best for me.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
What's mean the most like of all this is probably
hard for you to pin down, but like, of all
the experiences that you've had, I'm sure you have one
or two where you were like, that was fucking insane.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
What would that be feet.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
In terms of porn, in terms of porn, in terms
of I mean, we don't have to go into your
personal life, but like moments in your sexual experiences where
you were like, fucking didn't know my body could do that,
or that was truly another level that I reached, and
I'm glad we went.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
There because when she put a fist in her ars.
Top three for.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
Me in terms of sexual experiences that the first one
is going to be the scene with Manuel where I cried,
which has been covered across a lot of media. You
can find it by searching Angela White. It was emotional
after cream pie. So it was.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Fucking love that We're not going mad cream Pie the diner.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
It was covered in the New York Post. In Melmac,
there's a lot of there's been a lot of coverage
on Vice. It was my most viral scene and it
was a very intimate scene with Manuel. We'd worked together
a lot and we just built such incredible chemistry and
the scene was just so beautiful. It felt so romantic
and wonderful. And then afterwards I was just overcome with
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these emotions that I just cried in his arms. It
was like the aftercare of the scene. And it was recorded,
so I just put it up there online.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
But do people have the wrong impression of what that was?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Did it go viral?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Okay, right, No, So there wasn't any interpretation of that
being like that you were sad. It was an interpretation
of like, this was magical.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah, it was a magical, magical moment. In fact, that's
one of the most magical sex experiences that I've ever
had in my life, on or off camera. Just then
the second is actually another crygasm that I had that
was off camera, which I had been on cameras.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Is like I laughasm that I laugh afterwards do you Yeah,
way to kill the mood.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Like what you crying? Also, I would debate that that
also is a bit of a mood killer.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
You're like the stopping because it feels it's a.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
It's a release.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah, it's like you've you've had like an orgasm. You've
had that kind of orgasm can be like a full
body artist too. But then to cry as well afterwards,
it's just like it just feels so good.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Okay, So what was the second one? Then when you're
like I'm in my crygasm era, it was actually.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
My first gang bang. When I did my first gang bang,
that was the first time that I really like, I
was watching that back and I was like, oh my god,
I'm a porn star. Like it was like that was
the first moment that I was like, oh wow, I'm
really I'm doing it.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I'm really living.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And in my first gang bang, I went hard. I
did double penetration, I did triple penetration. I did I mean,
I did everything. It was yeah, double anal double badge.
It was hard, and I was like, wow, I am
I'm killing it. I'm like, this is it. If anal
iterate is something that you're like really enjoying and love
exploring anyway, I wouldn't bother. But if it's something that
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you really enjoy, then you can explore.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
What is the tips and advice for someone who wants
to get into it? Because we kind of skewed it around,
we did oral dirty talk and now were it anal? Okay,
what are the tips?
Speaker 4 (47:41):
It's all about being relaxed.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
It really very uptid. Yeah, okay, so very stressed.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I'm really stressed, so glad I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm pretty anal.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, you come about it, yeah, yeah, you just your
asshole is clenched.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yeah. And your asshole and your jaw are connected. So
if you're clenching your.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Jaw, that is so interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
So you need to have a completely relaxed, relaxed your jaw.
I also recommend the best way to do anal is
to do it on your own first, because having any
external pressure of somebody wanting to get in there or
be involved, it's just not conducive to like full relaxation.
I think anal place should begin on your own, and
I think starts small, and sometimes you have to go
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small for a while before you're ready to even take
a second finger, and there's no shame in that.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
It takes too walks, try and put it in. It's
not going in walks away.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
But this is the thing, if you're the person that
says I can't do it, there's always people who will
like you just haven't tried this one thing.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Try it a bit more, and then you can finally
get there.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah, I'm not necessarily into the whole idea of just
keep trying, like if it's not something like not everybody
has to be into anal sex totally.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Look, if you're.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Curious on your own, slowly you start by the out,
don't even slip a finger in, just play with your spokes,
just circle the outside, put pressure on it. And if
you like that sense, then you could explore lubing up
a fingertip and just putting in it. But if you
do all these things and you're just like, it doesn't
feel good, why why pursue it?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
It's well, then I guess in that case, you're pursuing
it for someone else. You're not pursuing it for yourself,
which is the whole problem with how a lot of
people experience sex in the first place.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, angela last question and we're gonna let you go
because otherwise we'll keep you here.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
A last question, do you think everybody every woman can squirt?
Because this is like one of those myths, right, like
some people like I can never do it. Then you
hear people say I believe every single person can do
it if you.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Just know the right techniques. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (49:34):
So? I think everybody is different, and I think that
that's just again lumping more pressure on women to do
theatrical sex acts. Like no, some women can, some women can't.
I think we can leave it at that. I mean, sure,
if you're interested in trying, there are plenty of techniques
that you can do to see if you can squirt.
But yeah, I think everybody is different.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
So well, I have thoroughly enjoyed this chat. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I'm really invested in every single thing that you said
I could. Like I said before, I could talk to
you for a hour that I find it really fascinating.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
So thank you so much for being so open.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Literally, no, I genuinely, like we laugh and we joke
a lot, but we mean it. Thank you for being
so open because not a lot of people are, and
I think it makes a really big difference to helping
the stigma, to helping people and especially women, realize that
liking sex doesn't make you a slut wanting to have
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you know, like this.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Is what we're taught being a slot.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
No, but that's but that's the word slut has always
when you're a teenager, had this really horrible negative connotation
to it, like that was the word that if you
wanted to be nasty to someone at school when you
were kids, that was what you said to them. Where
at the end of the day, we like sex as
much as everyone else. And I think you're doing a
lot for the industry.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I think overarchingly, especially when we were young. It's changed
so much now and it depends on the industry that
you're in. It depends culturally where you're from. But like
enjoying sex and being verbal about it, like talking about it,
especially as a woman, is shameful.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It's like, well, don't do that, because you know people
will get an impression of who you are. And it's
very interesting to hear someone speak about the adult entertainment
industry but speak about it from a place of liberation,
not from a place of oppression, which is what so
many people have been led down the path of believing
that that's.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
What it entails.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
I'm going to dirty talk so hard with benin suck
my tea.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
We're in long distance doesn't do it, So we're doing
good day.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Thank you so much for having me. It's been an
absolute pleasure everyone.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and boy, do we have a
killer episode for you today. It is hot, it is saucy,
and it is sexy. It's a porn episode. We're talking
to the Queen of porn, Angela White. She's Ossie, she's homegrown.
She's got ten million follows on Instagram, She's won a
multitude of porn awards. She's in the top zero point
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zero one percent on Only Fans.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I genuinely really loved this chat.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So Angela White is literally one of the biggest porn
stars in the entire world. Currently, she is inducted into
the Avian Hall of Fame. She has won wait for it,
sixty nine Avian Awards thus far.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That's Adult Video Network awards.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And also, she was just an incredible delight to speak to.
One of the things that I wanted to touch on
before we let you know what's in the episode, what's
in the conversation, because we really did ask Angela every
question that I have ever had that I wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
To ask an adult porn star. We got to ask that, Yeah,
like do you actually come.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Angela's experience of the porn industry is a very, very
positive one. It is sexually liberating and she loves what
she does for a job. And I know, over the
years we have spoken about the dark side of the
porn industry. We've spoken about how women have been degraded,
how women have been used within the porn industry, and
that is not Angela's experience. And I think one of
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the things I took from this where I so deeply
respected her and the way that she approaches her business
is her ability to set boundaries and the fact that
she is so educated in what she does. And it
was one of the big things that she spoke about
is this idea that Angela has never put herself into
a situation or a position sexually that she didn't feel
(02:03):
she was ready for or wanted to do, and it
was because of her very strong boundaries around what she
will and won't do when it comes to the sex
and adult industry, Like everyone's.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Watched porn at some point. Right, I had so many
questions and I got so excited. I thought I could
ask this person anything I've ever wanted to know about porn.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
What do I want to know?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And the first thing that came to my head is
are you really coming? That's what I wanted to know, Like,
are you guys really orgasming or is it just an act?
And it's an interesting answer.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, And she talks about like the theatrics of it, right,
like the theatrics of the porn industry and how you
are creating entertainment. We also asked her the best techniques
for different types of sex acts. We talked about kinks
and fetish's. Angela White is, like we said, one of
the very very top echelons when it comes to only fans,
and she talks about the different kinks and the different
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requests that she's received through that platform. Honestly, she is
an incredibly open book. There was not one question that
Angela wasn't prepared to answer. And for so many of us,
porn is an industry that over the years, we've had.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To make up our own opinions on.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Right, I think so many people have a different type
of bias when it comes to this type of work.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Some people are more liberal, more accepting of it. Other
people have.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Their own thoughts and opinions on it. And I would
dare say that no matter where you sit on that scale,
Angela will challenge your opinions on the porn industry.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
She's intelligent, she's wonderful, and she was an absolute delight
to talk to you. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I
hope you guys do too. Now, this is our first
time having an adult entertainer on the podcast, and I'm
very excited about it. I feel like we literally shot
straight to the top where we didn't get anyone. We
got the one, the only, Angela White.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, thank you so much for having me. I feel
honored to be your first. I'm taking your virginity.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh my god, virginity gone.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We just started this and we were like, what's your
accidently unfiltered story, what's your most embarrassing thing? And Angela's
response to that was nothing makes me embarrassed anymore.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, I think it really does have to do with
my job, because we are so free at work. You know,
I'm naked on the internet. My gaping asshole is out
there for everyone to see. So I feel like I
just don't get embarrassed about anything anymore. The question I
get asked a lot that I'm always stumped with is
what's the funniest thing that's ever happened to you on set?
(04:19):
And I'm like, ah, I don't know, nothing funny happens,
because I guess some people would be embarrassed or think
it's funny if someone queefs, or if there's like a
bodily noise while you're having sex, and it's so normalized
in my industry that nothing that funny happens. The only
thing I can think of is there was one scene
that I was doing. I was fucking myself with a
(04:40):
dildo and the director said something funny and it actually
shot out of my pussy and hit the camera operator.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
In the head.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It was one of those rubber ones, so they're not
super heavy, so it was just a funny moment. But
those are the kinds of things I guess it happened
on set.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But so question before we get into it. I mean
in my intro that I said adult entertainer, but colloquially
the term is porn star. How do you feel about
that term and how do people in the industry feel
about that term? Does that have like a derogatory connotation
to it? Or are you happy just to say porn star?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Oh yeah, I'm happy to be known as a porn star.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Absolutely, So how did you become a porn star?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay, let's be serious.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That was serious, but I'll say it in a nicer way.
Did you always grow up in a sex positive environment?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
What was your upbringing like?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Because one of the questions I always have when I
see somebody in the porn industry is I feel like
it's such an extreme jump for so many people.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is it sort of like that slow burn? Or how
do you get there?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Well to your first question, in terms of how I
grew up, it was a mixed bag in terms of
whether it was a sex positive environment. So at home
it was sex positive. My mum was very open with
me about what sex was. In fact, she gave me
a copy of the High Report when I came of
age so that I could learn how to masturbate, because
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it's actually difficult when you're first learning your body to
know how to make yourself orgasm. So that was an
amazing resource for me to learn how other women make
themselves come. So my home life was very open and
very sex positive. But then as I started to express
my sexuality during my high school years, I was criticized
for the way that I expressed and explored it, so
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it was not sex positive in high school. This was
way before slut walks, way before women were really starting
to embrace their sexuality openly. So it was a tough
time for me in high school. And that was actually
kind of what led me on the journey into porn
because pornography was the first place where I saw women
being celebrated for expressing their sexuality. And I was very
(06:50):
explorative when I was young. I wanted to have sex
with men and women, and I just wanted to try everything.
I was just so fascinated with sex and so excited
to try things, and you know, my peers weren't.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Very happy about that. Yeah, how do you like?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean and talking about like friend relationships, because I
would assume that growing up through school, people would have
an impression as to who you are, and then when
you're like, cool, I'm trying this thing, I'm going to
get into porn I'm doing XYZ, people would have such
a strong feeling about her, or they would have such
a strong expectation as to who they thought you were
going to be. How did you navigate that period of
your life.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
On the one hand, my close friends, they as soon
as I said I wanted to get into porn, they
got it. They understood who I am, and ye like, Okay,
that's obvious, that's that's your future. But I mean kids
are mean, like, if they have any opportunity to criticize
you about anything, they're going to do it. And at
the time, sexuality was a great way to criticize someone,
(07:44):
I guess. But when I finally got into pornographa actually
way as slow as eighteen obviously, But I was in
my last year of high school when I turned eighteen,
So I flew to America and shot my first scenes
while still in high school. So came back as magazine
and DVDs were being released with my content. So that
was really interesting experience seeing how my peers reacted to that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So you were technically you were of legal age, you
were eighteen, but you were technically.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Still in school. Yes, that's wow. What was the reaction
like that?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
At school and with teachers, because I mean, I think
the thing that makes me feel uncomfortable about that is
in fact that, because you were technically still finishing school,
your teachers could have been watching that.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That actually never crossed my mind when I was doing it.
I actually one of my teachers helped me a lot,
a female teacher. I'd never seen my asshole. I didn't
know what assholes were supposed to look like. I'd never
really looked at them, even though I had watched porn
and one of my first magazines. The spread just had
me completely spread open, and I was like, Oh, that's that.
(08:51):
That's what my asshole looks like. Is that normal? I
had no idea, and now I realized it was I
guess inappropriate at the time, but one of the female
teachers was happy to look for me and was like, oh, yeah,
it's totally normal. At the time, it was really helpful
because I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I mean, my question around this is like, how do
you make that transition, especially at eighteen, when you're like,
this is something I wanted to try, I wanted to
get into. It seems like listening to the story, it
seems like such an extreme version of getting into it.
You know, I would have thought, Hi, I did something webcamed,
and then I did this, and then like, you know,
I met a local producer and then but like flying
to the States and doing something that seems quite a
(09:29):
full on and immersive experience for your very first time
in porn, Like, what was your reaction to that, and
how did that opportunity even present itself?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It was all me. I saw pornography at fourteen and
immediately wanted to do it. Obviously, I waited till I
was eighteen to get involved in the industry. But I
had those four years to research what I wanted to do,
which companies I wanted to shoot for, how I could
do it safely, how I could contact them. So I
had four years of researching what my first steps would
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be to get into the en industry. I think that
was really helpful for me.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Did your parents at the time know that you were
going to do that or is that something you felt
like you couldn't tell them.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's not that I couldn't tell them, It's just that
I was young and I was very open with my
mom about my sexuality and things that I was exploring,
but I didn't tell her that until I turned eighteen.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, in terms of you said that you found like
safe ways in which to get into the industry, because
I think it has over time been shrouded with women
who have been underprivileged or have been kind of been
made to move into it out of circumstances. How did
you ensure that you were working with production companies that
were safe? How did you ensure that you were protecting yourself?
(10:40):
And I guess more broadly, what was your experience in
those first few years when you were so young.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It was a lot harder back then. Actually, it's much
easier now because you can contact other performers via social
media and ask about their experiences, or listen to performers
on podcasts and they can talk about the companies they've
had great experiences with. For me, back then, social media
wasn't big, so I literally just had to get access
to pornography, read the magazines, read the interviews in the magazines.
(11:09):
And one of the things that helped me choose the
first company that I worked with was they were working
with a lot of international models, So it was clear
that they were willing to fly international models around the
world to shoot them. And these models kept coming back
again and again and again. The rationale for me was like, well,
they wouldn't keep coming back and shooting for this company
if they weren't an ethical company or fun to shoot with.
(11:31):
So that was how I chose the first company that
I worked with. And then back in those days, I mean,
I've been in the industry for twenty years now, it
was an old school disc that I sent them with
a handwritten letter, snail mail. You're like, fly me over.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So you went to this is what I found fascinating.
But you went to university and you studied gender studies. Yeah,
talk to us a little bit about that and why
you didn't tell your peers that you were in porn.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
So the reason I ended up studying at the University
of Melbourne and focusing on gender studies and sex and
sexuality was because when I got into porn, it felt
so liberating, empowering. It felt so great to be in
this space where I could finally express and explore my
sexuality in a safe place with peers that would support me.
(12:19):
So I was having the time of my life. But
when I would speak to other people that were in
the industry, they would ask questions like don't you feel
degraded and that it was a confusing question to me,
because what are you talking about. I'm doing what I love.
I get to have sex with these incredible people all around.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
The world and get paid.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, this is incredible for me. And it was those
questions that led me down this rabbit hole of where
are these arguments coming from? And a lot of them
were coming from anti sex work feminist arguments, and I
wanted to learn more about that, and that's why I
ended up going down the route of gender studies and
studying some of those. I mean, obviously not all feminists
(12:59):
or anti sex were there's a lot of feminists that
are sex positive, and so just learning those arguments so
I could understand where those opinions were coming from was
really important for me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And then the choice not to talk about what you
did with your colleagues, your peers.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Oh yes, I just I wanted to be able to.
I mean, I did study under Sheila Jeffries, who is
an anti sex work feminist, and I wanted to hear
her arguments without anyone kind of making an assumption that
I was going to disagree or agree, Like, I just
wanted to hear what she had to say, and I
wanted to understand her arguments with an open mind. I
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really did want to go in there with an open
mind and understand where the negative arguments were coming from.
And I also I just wanted to study like a
normal student. I didn't want all the students there. This
was at a time when my profile was a lot
smaller as well. I just wanted to be treated like
a regular student.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It's so interesting to know that you sat underneath someone
who had very confis views to you and was like, Okay,
I'm open minded to this. I'm open minded to your viewpoints,
and they want to understand why you feel the way
that you feel of an industry that you haven't necessarily
worked in at all.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
What did you take away from that?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I mean, Sheila is a little bit in an extreme
case because she actually thinks penetrative sex is rape, you know,
So it's yeah, yeah, so look, I might be butching
her arguments slightly, but I remember taking away that from
her lecture. Yeah, and that you know, you should become
a political lesbian. So I was like, Okay, that's, you know,
(14:34):
on the extreme end. For me, I think it was
good for me to learn the different ends of the spectrum,
and I think it really made me very balanced in
the way that I see pornography, because when I first started,
I was like, everything's incredible, it's liberating, it's the best
thing I could ever do, like, and just seeing the
other side being like, okay, So there are situations where
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maybe companies might not act ethically, or maybe women aren't
setting up their boundaries strongly enough to create an environment
where they feel safe. So it just balanced out my
view on the industry.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
But I think it's incredible to have the flip side
of it, because you know, and more and more people
who have experienced your experience are speaking positively about it
and saying, well, not everyone who's working within the industry
are doing so under duress. Not everyone who's working the
industry is doing so because they have no other options
in life. And I think it reframes the balance between
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the two because there will be people who have made
those decisions because maybe they didn't have other options. But
then there's people who are doing it and it is
a very much consenting and like liberating choice for them
in terms of like your benchmark now for okay, what
you will and won't do, what you're comfortable with what
makes you uncomfortable?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Has that grown over time?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Like did you walk into the porn industry and go, cool,
I'm only going to do this kind of porn and
then you're like, oh, I guess I'll do this, and
then it kind of just evolves.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's a porn snowball. You're like, all of a sudden,
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I actually did girl girl only for eight years. Really. Yeah,
So I've really throughout my entire career, I've really had
very strong boundaries about what I will and won't do.
And it's just always based on this fuck yer principle.
So if someone asked me, would you like to do
this kind of scene and it isn't an immediate fuck year,
then it's a no.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I have to be enthusiastically consenting to whatever the scene
type is or whatever the act is, or otherwise it's
just absolutely a no, I'm not ready.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Has that ever impacted you negatively in terms of career opportunities,
because that's amazing. So I think that that's something that
people are fearful of, Like when you want to make
it in an industry, it doesn't matter what industry is,
some people feel fearful to say no to opportunities, and
that's when you can get yourself into situations where you
do things you're not comfortable with. No what made you
do it, but you're doing it because you're fearful of
(16:53):
what the no might bring versus you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, the Internet means there's a space for everyone. There's
a space for every niche, there's a space for every
body type, and there's a space for what you want
to do. So for me, I was very successful only
doing Girl Girl. I didn't need to do boy Girl.
It just so happens that I got eight years into
my career and I started thinking about boy Girl and
it was the first time that when I thought about it,
(17:18):
I didn't have some sort of niggling like, oh, I
don't know which is not a fuck Yeah, eight years
in I thought about boy Girl and I was like
fuck Yeah. It just was just a moment where I
felt comfortable. Was the transitional period in my life. It
was actually just after I'd graduated from the University of Melbourne.
I was like, I want to try something new, and
I started thinking about it and I was like, yeah,
this is the right time.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I was really excited about doing this interview because there's
so many questions that I had, even just me about
when you watch porn, those questions growing up that you're like,
the only way I'm ever going to know this is
if I sit down and speak to a porn star.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So I'm frothing this.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Do you actually orgasm for real in these situations or
is it just like I'm literally here to act, I've
got my scene, I'm going to going to go through
the motions.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
For me, it's sometimes, and it really depends on the
environment that the director creates. So if we're shooting a
gonzo scene, which is an all sex, non scripted scene,
which means I'm able to do basically whatever I want
with my on screen partner, that is very conducive to
real orgasms. That is when we're able to connect and
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really have authentic sex as if the camera wasn't there.
But if I've been booked for a scene where it's
going to be heavily directed, and sometimes in heavily directed scenes,
the director is not only telling you which positions to
go into, they're telling you when, and they're telling you when.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
To orgasms, So they're literally like okay, doggy for ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Flip yet longer, always longer five.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Seconds, no way, But are they behind the screen going
like in three to one where missionary in five four three.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Where doggy not quite like that? But yes, because of
course she's not going to come right.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah. I mean it's hard when a man in the
corner is like, okay, come for us now.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Like that and he's not even involved in the scene.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, And some directors say we need an orgasm in
every position, but that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Also sounds like half of the people I ever slept with,
they're like, Okay, come baby.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Come down. I'm like, nowhere near a babe. Like, it's
not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I would like to know it, Like, how does it
impact your dating life in the real world? Do you
only date people who work in the entertainment industry? Do
people get jealous? Like how do you navigate your real
life dating alongside your on screen romances.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
It's a lot easier for me to date within the
industry or in entertainment in general, because I think people
in the entertainment industry get it a little bit more.
But I'm always open to dating outside. It's just it's
hard to understand the industry when you're not in it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, and I guess like so many people, and it
lives on such a scale, but there is so much bias,
you know, and there are so many preconceived ideas about it.
And so even if if you think that you show
up to this space quite liberal thinking, I think unless
you've actually worked in it and you understand the nuances,
you're always gonna have some feelings of like, oh but
what about that scene or what about this thing? You know,
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there's always gonna be a question mark somewhere in your mind,
and it's so hard to overcome that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
In total, Well, I don't think the question will always
be there because there are a lot of performers that
do have partners that are not in the industry, that
are not performers themselves. And so I think over time
you can Even if you're not in it and you
haven't done it, I mean, you're not going to understand
it one hundred percent. Yeah, but being around it long enough,
you're going to understand like the differences and the boundaries
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and you know, porn sex versus real life sex and
what the dynamics are. So there, it's possible.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yes, Yeah, both think it just comes down to the
person the individual you're going to date.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And I mean I dated.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Someone once that didn't want me to kiss somebody in
a scene, in an acting scene because they were like,
I feel like that's cheating.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I'm not happy with it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So if if that individual, they might respect your job
and understand its work, but still not be comfortable with
watching you fuck someone else all the time. And that
just comes down to the person. So have you ever
dated outside I have? Yeah, yeah, I have, and it
has worked. It has worked, So I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
It is about the individual person and their comfort levels and.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, and the insecurity levels.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
You know, it leads to a lot of people out.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, I can goodly imagine.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You have a very interesting story about how you got
into well, how do I put this? Knowing how well
you could do anal? How did you discover this? Because
I would love to know the ins and outs of
how you get to a place where you're like, well,
didn't know my body could do that.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
But thing being well, yeah, originally I was not going
to do anal and porn. I did not think that
my butt could do what it clearly can do if
you've seen.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well done, because mine absolutely fucking comes well you say that.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It's not going it's a one way street.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That fair enough. Everybody's body is different. But it was
during a webcam show that I learned that my buttthole
is quite magical.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I was a magical uniform, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I was just I was doing a one on one
show and I slid one finger in my arse and
it felt good, so I thought, well, just slip in
a second, and then a third went in really easy
in the full and I was so relaxed, and then
suddenly I had my whole fist in my arm.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
You're like, how do we get here? Like I'm shouldered deep,
like there's no coming back.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm like okay, wow, Like, as long as I'm in
an environment where I feel safe and relaxed, and obviously
I was in my bedroom at home, I'm doing this
webcam show, so it was a very safe, relaxing environment.
I was like, Wow, my butthole can open up. And
that's the moment that I was like with my hand
and my butt, I was like, I can take porn
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sized ditcks in my butt. I can.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I can also love it. That's the moment where you
have this little light bulb. You're like, oh, here, we
are in this compromising position and then I know what
I'm in for.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, once you've recorded something and it's out there forever,
especially if you're kind of discovering it when you're on screen.
Have you ever done anything where you've then courned around
and been like, oh, maybe I wish I hadn't done that,
Or have you always felt as you've kind of moved
along this process that you're like, Okay, I feel really
confident and happy with the decisions I've made, and there's
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been no regrets.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
So I don't regret anything. And there's nothing that I've
done that I thought I wish I hadn't done that.
But there's things that I've done that I'm like, Okay,
I've learned, I don't want to do that again. And
that's been about exploring my boundaries on camera, and it's
been great being a director and producer because all of
my first I directed and produced myself. So I directed
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my first DP, my first an Or, my first Blowbank,
my first gang Bang, my first double anal. So I'm
in control. I'm so double penetration. So I was. I'm
glad you asked, because we in the industry, we have
all these this terminology that we use that I guess
regular people don't. So if I ever say something the
DP penetration, Yeah, so that's one in the pussy and
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one in the butt, and then you can do I've
done t P, which is triple penetration.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Mouth.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
No, that's air tight. Oh god, more that air tight
going in. So triple would be two in the vagina
and one in the butt or two in the butt
and one.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
How do they come at you like that?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah? The hardest part is the bodies, because the male
bodies have to.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Get to people got bodies.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
So okay.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Question when you in a quote unquote normal job, like
you're at work at a hospital and you've got your
pay grades and you tick the boxes and you're like,
I can be paid more now because I've done this.
Is it the same in the porn industry where if
you are performing, if you're going from DP to treat TP, yes, yeah,
time whatever, HAIRT If you're going up the pay grades
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and then you go into gang bangs and you're going
too anal like from vaginal to anal. These all reasons
where you go to a production and you say, if
I'm doing triple, I'm getting paid more.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
If I'm doing ANAL, I'm getting paid more. Of course,
more labor the more. Hey, I love this.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm loving the moment where you're like, I have my
fist in my backside and I get paid more for this.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You're like, I this is I've unlocked. I've unlocked any level.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know. In my whole career, it's never been about money.
It's always been about what I'm excited to do. And
that's the thing, Like when I'm directing the scene, it's
not like I'm paying myself more for these acts, like
you're only the joint. Definitely, if I'm working for another
company and I'm doing anal, anal requires more labor time.
There's a lot of there's a process that we go
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through to clean out and prepare for anal. So more
labor time equals more money. And for me, I always said, like,
you're not paying me extra for anal, You're paying me
not to eat because I love eating.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, yeah, totally yeah for that pre care in the aftercare,
what about only fans? Because that has completely changed the
landscape of adult entertainment.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
How has it been different for you?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And when it very first came out, Like, was there
a process of jumping on board, or did you see
it instantly as like, Okay, this is another avenue for
me to be able to work but also earn an income,
but also you know, explore this industry in a different way.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
It was really COVID that got me on OnlyFans and
I was in my house, not able to shoot how
I usually do, and I was like, what can I do?
I still want to express my sexuality and be able
to earn a living. And I thought, okay, I had
already opened I had an Only Fans, but I wasn't
really I wasn't really using it. I was updating it
very sporadically. And so OnlyFans was great during the pandemic
(26:25):
because I could just work from home and do my
little shows just solo masturbation, and still earn money and
still have a way to connect with my fans.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Which was great. And you're in the top zero point
zero one percent.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So I'm fascinated, and you do not have to answer
this if you don't want to. But we see a
lot of big people come out and saying I'm in
the top zero point zero one point one percent. I
earned seven million dollars in two months whatever, what does
the finances look like for you?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
In terms of that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You don't have to give us a dollar value, but
is it what we're seeing. Is it as lucrative as
what we're seeing.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yes, some of those numbers are absolutely realistic. Not everybody
in the top zero point zero one percent is making
seven million dollars in two months, but it's really good money.
It's really amazing, and it's definitely changed the entire porn
industry because it's empowered performers to be their own boss.
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Every performer is now a content creator, so they're owning
their own content, which they can use later on down
the track for a passive income. They get to use
that for the rest of their lives to earn money.
It's been really incredible, life changing money for a lot
of people, and that makes the porn industry a better
place too, because there's less people going into the porn
industry for financial reasons because you can just do your
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own only fans. So now people in porn are like, Oh,
I'm here because I really, really, really freaking want to
be here.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Do you think, because I think it's almost like this
surefire way of making money is the way it's been sold.
People think if they started only fans, they're going to
make a lot of money very very quickly. And I
guess the trouble then that some people might run into
is that they're getting into the industry for the reasons
they're getting into it because it's you know, they think
that they're going to be making tens of thousands of
dollars almost instantly, versus the love of the industry.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well, just because somebody says they're in the top zero
point zero one percent doesn't mean that money came easily. Yeah,
there's a lot of work that goes into that. I
think that people that already have a public profile, so
I had already built up my name and brand within
the industry before I got onto OnlyFans, it's I'll say easier,
it's not easy. It's easier for me to earn money
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on only fans because I've already built up that fan
base that I from social media that I can push
towards my only fans. If you already have built up
a brand and a name, then you can take your
fans with you to another platform. If you're starting with
with no brand, you're going to have to build that
brand up so it's not like a get rich quick scheme.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, it's the same as like, I mean, you know,
the comparable is like starting an Instagram account and thinking
that you're instantly going to have hundreds of thousands of followers. Like,
it's the same thing about growing this audience bace around.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
What's your offering, Well, it's a business, you've got to
build it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
What is more lucrative the porn industry or only fans
for you, only fans, you're like, by far, by far?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
What impact has that had on the adult entertainment industry
in terms of like a traditional sense, because back in
the day when it was production houses and it was bigger,
larger scales, shoots, and now people are able to do
it in their own homes or have more agency over
their work. Has that had a flow on effect in
terms of how porn is produced?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well, I will say to the start of your question,
when porn became more easily accessible, that was actually really
bad for the adult industry because piracy and torrenting meant
that there was less money for the industry, which also
meant less money for performers. The great thing about only
fans is it's behind a paywall, so now fans need
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to pay if they want access to the content. So
I think Only Fans has been really positive in that sense.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, that's so interesting. What would be some of the
weirdest requests that you get on Only Fans?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I will say, nothing's weird to me anymore. Nothing, nothing's weird.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
But I will say I find weird. Okay, what requests
that you get would I find weird? On any fits?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I get requests for absolutely everything from foot fetish stuff
to shrinking fetishes drinking. So there are people that like
the idea of being shrunk. So for example, I'll give
them like.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Like put in the oven, like a little packet of
chips that shrink.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Usually not in the oven, it's usually a potion. You know,
I give you a little lemonade and I've put a
little magic potion in there, and you drink it. You
don't know what's happening, and then suddenly you start to
shrink and you become a little tiny. This is a.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
What was that movie that was around when we were
all kids, and they shrink? That is like, that's a
fetish that's been like instilled in people from that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I thought about that, but I think you might be right.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So people, So this isn't just like a couple of people.
This is a proper fish that people want to think
that they're a.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Tiny little yeah thing.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, and then you have sex not no, okay, So
they want all different things there, all unique. So some
just want to play hide and seek, so they're like
the idea of like I.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Need everything, I need so much more, so.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
They're like I'm a giant test. So usually when I
do these custom videos, or when I used to do
it on webcam, what I would do is I'd give
them the potion and then i'd take the webcam or
the camera and I'd slowly put it down on the
floor so it looks like I'm growing that they're shrinking.
So I don't slowly put it down on the floor,
so they're really tiny, and then they're looking up at me,
so I look like a giant test. And then we'd
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play hide and go seek, so I'd be in my
heels and i'd kind of stomp around look for them.
And then some want to be picked up and put
in your pocket, just carried around with you, or like
put in your cleavage and.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Listen, there your vagina.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Right now, it's.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Everyone, everyone's out and then there are some people that
actually go a step further and they like vore so
they're like the idea of being eaten by you. So
so I mean it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I guess it's like the list of things that people
can enjoy is like whatever your imagination could come up,
like it's literally limitless, and I think I know, but
it's so fascinating to me, and I think it is.
It's truly incredible to get to a point where nothing
where you're like, that's cool, let's do this, you know, like,
and I'm sure that there's some requests that you get
where you're like, you know what, that'sside something I feel
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comfortable doing.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But that's right, you do you boom.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But I think it's very very cool to have such
little shame, stigma, judgment, because that's the biggest thing, especially
when it comes to kings. Most people are so embarrassed
to ask for the things that get them off because
it is seen as being like embarrassing or shameful, and
it's it's a very cool and the rooting place to
be where you are, and even to see that in
the way that you speak and the way that you
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explain it it's very very very nice.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
What in addition to that, what are some of the
things that you have put a boundary out and you've
said that request is too.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Far anything illegalation? Yeah, I mean, as long as it's
fun and concern I'm open to two different fantasies, even
some like consensual non consent fantasies, Like I personally like
those as fantasies. Obviously, I don't think that your fantasies
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have to be politically correct. I think as long as
it's happening between consenting adults, then.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, what is sex like for you outside of work?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And I say that because you know, you hear chefs
that cook all day and they go home and they
don't want to cook anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
They don't want to cook for their family. They're like,
why would I want to do that? Done that all day?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Does that take away the magic of you for sex
in your real life with a partner when you have
been having sex on camera all day?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
No, that's no. I love sex. The thing is, I
will say that my sex life off camera is much
more intimate because I'm finally able to so when we're
on set, we have to open up for the light.
We have to open up for the camera so you
can see the penetration. So when I'm not having sex
on camera, I love to be really close to someone,
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wrap my legs around them, wrap my around them, like
just be really really close, which I can't always be
in porn. So I would say, if anything, it's increased
my intimacy offset.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Do you have people that come to you and ask
for advice, often in terms of not just how to
get into the industry, but also like how to have
better sex themselves?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, I do get Every time I go to a convention,
almost every fan has some question to ask about, whether
it's like how do I perform this sexual act or
how do I become closer with my partner? So I
try to create a safe environment for my fans to
be able to ask me those questions, just like I
try to create a safe environment for my fans to
share their fantasies that maybe they don't feel comfortable sharing
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with other people in their lives.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Especially with sex, because I think we just expect people
to be good at it, But it's like anything, you
get better at it when you learn what you're doing,
what someone likes. Everyone likes different things. I go back
to like, being in your twenties, you kind of would
just be like, Oh, they're good at it or they're
bad at it. It was like something that you're expected
to have this like natural affinity for I would love
to know in terms of like tips, tricks, things that
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you recommend. Maybe there's a few that we can throw
at you. Okay, if somebody was like, where do I
start with a blowjob? What would be your number one
that you're like, this is how this is the top tier. Yeah,
these are the rules and regulations when it comes to
finessing the blowjob.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Obviously, with any sex act, communication is key, asking in
a sexy way what your partner likes, or as you're
going down and doing it, being like do you like that?
Do you want it faster? Slower? Just adding communication in
a sexy way.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Even though she said that, I was like, I was like,
I do.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I do.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So I think that's the number one for it. But
that's any sex act. That's the number one thing is
communication and then oh lots of spit for a blowjob.
I think going nice and slow is good. Don't always
like look at porn like sometimes we're giving like very
aggressive deep threading blowjobs. This is theatrical blowjobs. I think
going nice and slow and sensual is really nice, and
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then building up top throating if you want to. But honestly,
I think deep throating looks incredible in pornography. I actually
don't think it's like the greatest feeling for every guy
or the girl.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Or the girls. Yeah, or like spear in the back.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Some things that you watch on porn are theatrical because
there is that debate around, well, is it changing the
way that people think sex is supposed to be, especially
for like young people who watch porn, and then they're like,
maybe that's how I'm supposed to behave in the bedroom.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Like what would be your advice to that? Because first,
the young people should not be watching porn. Yeah, it's
for adults. It's made by adults for adults. So that's
the first thing. And it's just like any kind of media,
Like if a kid's watching an action film, it's easy
for parents to explain to them, Okay, this car that's
jumping over a bridge, this is not how we drive.
We don't watch The Fast and Furious to learn how
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to drive. We don't watch porn to learn how to
have sex, like it is in the end entertainment, and
there are things in porn that are real sex, but
depending on the kind of scene that you're shooting, it'll
be could be more theatrical.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, And I find this so interesting because when I
say young people, I don't necessarily mean I don't mean
kids like my long term boyfriend, and that was my
you know, one of two sexual partners at the time,
so I didn't really I didn't have much comparison. He
watched so much porn, Like I'm talking, he would masturbate
six times a day because you watch porn all the
time level, which I didn't know at the time that
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that was what was going on. We lived together, but
the sex was always as though he was trying to
have sex, like we were in a porno and it sucked.
Like the sex for me was not good because there
was no intimacy. It was rough, but it was also
it was type of porn that he liked, but it
certainly wasn't the type of porn that I like. And
I think that sometimes some people can think if they
don't have the experience, like that's how it's supposed to be.
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That's my reference for sex.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I think there's also a communication problem there, and I
think that maybe in general people have a hard time
still talking to their partners about sex because if he
was communicating with you and asking you do you like this,
baby like, and you can be like, no, stop it,
it's about it full off, like if there's no communication
(38:08):
there as well, like it's not I mean, he has
to be aware enough to ask you what you like,
and you have to be confident enough to be truthful
in the answer, and maybe during the moment in the
sex it's not the easiest to have that conversation, but
maybe having a moment before or after sex to talk about,
like what feels good for your body would really help
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in those moments, because I mean, there are some things
that are done in poem that potentially could feel great
for you, but other things, I mean, everybody is different
as well.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
One of the questions we get a lot from our
listeners is dirty talk and if it's something that a
lot of people aren't comfortable with, and when they are,
it's pretty limited, like it's very standardized, like yeah, baby
like that, fuck me?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, how do you suggest people start to bring that
dirty talk in?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
And what are some examples of things that are just
like easy to put out there from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I think the easiest way to start with dirty talk
is just to describe in a sexy way what's happening
or what you want to happen. So like, if you're
having penetrated sex, just talk about how it feels like
your cock feels so good inside my pussy. Go a
little slower, oh my gosh, yes, right there, suck on
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my tits while you do it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
This is why you need people who have actually got
the experience, because anytime we've ever spoken about dirty talk,
you and iyebr it wear like.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Do it like this? Like not as I do, do
as I say. Speak yourself. I'm pretty good. I think
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Well. I think the other thing that's really important is
it has to feel natural to you. Yeah, don't copy
and paste what you hear in port unless that's kind
of how you feel and that's what you want. You
really need to be in the moment thinking about your body,
what you want, what your partner likes. Don't write a script.
Just be in the moment and be like, yes, I
love how you're touching me like that. Will you pull
my hair please? Whatever it is? Hey, you might start
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talking dirty to them, and they might start just talking
dirty back in ways that you never imagined they do it, so,
I think, and that's another thing about communication. It's all
about being in the moment and seeing how your partner reacts,
and if they're reacting in a great way, keep doing
what you're doing, but also making it authentic to you.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
One thing I'm interested in is, I mean, the last
couple of years, we've seen this movement with a me
too movement?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
What is that like in your industry?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
When you know we're hearing in talking about people that
are crossing boundaries?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
What is that like in your industry?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Is it something you experience when normal people crossing boundaries?
For you, the boundary starts at sex, Like your job
is to be having sex and having those Yeah, those
really close connections with people. Is it something your industry
has experienced And have you ever experienced something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I've been really fortunate that I've never experienced something like
that personally. But the industry had our own me too
movement at the same time as the mainstream industry did,
so there were a lot of people that were weeded
out of the industry that were doing unethical things and
as a result of that, more and more mainstream companies
have now implemented a consent boundary checklist before we actually
(41:14):
shoot the scene, right before. So I'm a contract star
for Brawsers, which is the biggest porn company in the world,
and before we actually shoot any part of the sex,
the talent sit down with a talent liaison and we
go through an extensive checklist of sex acts and we
mark yes, no, and then there's a little spot for clarification.
So it goes through everything from kissing to hair pulling,
(41:38):
to nipple pinching, penetrative sex object insertion, pegging, rimming. The
list is endless and we say yes, no or clarification.
So we might say yes to choking, but light what.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Happens in the instances though, where you're doing it alongside
someone and they have overstepped. So even if you say okay, yeah,
I'm fine with light choking, but maybe in the moment
someone has gotten carried away with the role that they're playing,
what happens?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Is there a stop down? Like how does that get navigated?
Speaker 4 (42:05):
So that's why we have the talent liaison on set,
so they're watching the scene and if any point anyone
oversteps a boundary where we've said no on the checklist,
then they're there to step in cut and like make
sure everyone's okay. It's never actually happened to me personally,
but they're there as a safety guard to make sure.
And then also performers on set have the right at
any moment to call cut any moment.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And that's standard with all of the production.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
That's standard. Okay, So at any moment if you're uncomfortable,
even if you need a water break or you're getting
a cramp, whatever it might be, while you need to
stop for a moment, God, you're going hard.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
If I haven't cramped in a long time, I need
to up the ante.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
But yeah, what would be your recommendation if there's someone
who wants to get into the industry, And I mean
I know that we have only fans and there's so
much more accessible information on online, but for someone who's
done it and navigated themselves, what would be your recommendation
for the safest way to explore the adult industry?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I think exploring it on your own first before you
start working with any mainstream companies is a great idea.
So starting an only fans or starting a porn hub
channel and just directing your own scenes and creating your
own content first so that then you can kind of
know what your boundaries are before you're even getting onto
a mainstream porn set. I think you learn a lot
(43:20):
through self producing and directing, And for me, the biggest
thing that made me a better performer was actually editing
my own scenes, like looking back and seeing where my
placement was for my leg for example, like just a
couple of inches moving your knee forward, can let the
light in, let the camera see the penetration. These things
really help you become a better performer.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
As someone that has literally tried everything, it's in some capacity.
What's your favorite position and the quickest way for you
to orgasm?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Oh, the quickest is probably Okay, I'm gonna put it
out here. I love edging, so a quick orgasm for
me is not ideal. I love to edge and just
like really build it up so I can have a
really hard orgasm. If I really just want to get
it done, then penetration with a vibe on my clit
(44:11):
is the quickest. So mission on your own, well, on
my own, yeah, that is the absolute quickest. But if
I want to be really quick with a partner, then
missionary penetrative sex and a vibe on my clit. That's amazing.
But I think my favorite is either going to be
missionary or cowgirl, so that I can have close missionary
(44:32):
a close cowgirl so I have clteral stimulation at the
same time as penetration. That's the best for me.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
What's mean the most like of all this is probably
hard for you to pin down, but like, of all
the experiences that you've had, I'm sure you have one
or two where you were like, that was fucking insane.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
What would that be feet.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
In terms of porn, in terms of porn, in terms
of I mean, we don't have to go into your
personal life, but like moments in your sexual experiences where
you were like, fucking didn't know my body could do that,
or that was truly another level that I reached, and
I'm glad we went.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
There because when she put a fist in her ars.
Top three for.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
Me in terms of sexual experiences that the first one
is going to be the scene with Manuel where I cried,
which has been covered across a lot of media. You
can find it by searching Angela White. It was emotional
after cream pie. So it was.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Fucking love that We're not going mad cream Pie the diner.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
It was covered in the New York Post. In Melmac,
there's a lot of there's been a lot of coverage
on Vice. It was my most viral scene and it
was a very intimate scene with Manuel. We'd worked together
a lot and we just built such incredible chemistry and
the scene was just so beautiful. It felt so romantic
and wonderful. And then afterwards I was just overcome with
(45:49):
these emotions that I just cried in his arms. It
was like the aftercare of the scene. And it was recorded,
so I just put it up there online.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
But do people have the wrong impression of what that was?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Did it go viral?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Okay, right, No, So there wasn't any interpretation of that
being like that you were sad. It was an interpretation
of like, this was magical.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah, it was a magical, magical moment. In fact, that's
one of the most magical sex experiences that I've ever
had in my life, on or off camera. Just then
the second is actually another crygasm that I had that
was off camera, which I had been on cameras.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Is like I laughasm that I laugh afterwards do you Yeah,
way to kill the mood.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Like what you crying? Also, I would debate that that
also is a bit of a mood killer.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
You're like the stopping because it feels it's a.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
It's a release.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah, it's like you've you've had like an orgasm. You've
had that kind of orgasm can be like a full
body artist too. But then to cry as well afterwards,
it's just like it just feels so good.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Okay, So what was the second one? Then when you're
like I'm in my crygasm era, it was actually.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
My first gang bang. When I did my first gang bang,
that was the first time that I really like, I
was watching that back and I was like, oh my god,
I'm a porn star. Like it was like that was
the first moment that I was like, oh wow, I'm
really I'm doing it.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I'm really living.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And in my first gang bang, I went hard. I
did double penetration, I did triple penetration. I did I mean,
I did everything. It was yeah, double anal double badge.
It was hard, and I was like, wow, I am
I'm killing it. I'm like, this is it. If anal
iterate is something that you're like really enjoying and love
exploring anyway, I wouldn't bother. But if it's something that
(47:31):
you really enjoy, then you can explore.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
What is the tips and advice for someone who wants
to get into it? Because we kind of skewed it around,
we did oral dirty talk and now were it anal? Okay,
what are the tips?
Speaker 4 (47:41):
It's all about being relaxed.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
It really very uptid. Yeah, okay, so very stressed.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I'm really stressed, so glad I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm pretty anal.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, you come about it, yeah, yeah, you just your
asshole is clenched.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yeah. And your asshole and your jaw are connected. So
if you're clenching your.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Jaw, that is so interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
So you need to have a completely relaxed, relaxed your jaw.
I also recommend the best way to do anal is
to do it on your own first, because having any
external pressure of somebody wanting to get in there or
be involved, it's just not conducive to like full relaxation.
I think anal place should begin on your own, and
I think starts small, and sometimes you have to go
(48:23):
small for a while before you're ready to even take
a second finger, and there's no shame in that.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
It takes too walks, try and put it in. It's
not going in walks away.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
But this is the thing, if you're the person that
says I can't do it, there's always people who will
like you just haven't tried this one thing.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Try it a bit more, and then you can finally
get there.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah, I'm not necessarily into the whole idea of just
keep trying, like if it's not something like not everybody
has to be into anal sex totally.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Look, if you're.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Curious on your own, slowly you start by the out,
don't even slip a finger in, just play with your spokes,
just circle the outside, put pressure on it. And if
you like that sense, then you could explore lubing up
a fingertip and just putting in it. But if you
do all these things and you're just like, it doesn't
feel good, why why pursue it?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
It's well, then I guess in that case, you're pursuing
it for someone else. You're not pursuing it for yourself,
which is the whole problem with how a lot of
people experience sex in the first place.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, angela last question and we're gonna let you go
because otherwise we'll keep you here.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
A last question, do you think everybody every woman can squirt?
Because this is like one of those myths, right, like
some people like I can never do it. Then you
hear people say I believe every single person can do
it if you.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Just know the right techniques. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (49:34):
So? I think everybody is different, and I think that
that's just again lumping more pressure on women to do
theatrical sex acts. Like no, some women can, some women can't.
I think we can leave it at that. I mean, sure,
if you're interested in trying, there are plenty of techniques
that you can do to see if you can squirt.
But yeah, I think everybody is different.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
So well, I have thoroughly enjoyed this chat. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I'm really invested in every single thing that you said
I could. Like I said before, I could talk to
you for a hour that I find it really fascinating.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
So thank you so much for being so open.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Literally, no, I genuinely, like we laugh and we joke
a lot, but we mean it. Thank you for being
so open because not a lot of people are, and
I think it makes a really big difference to helping
the stigma, to helping people and especially women, realize that
liking sex doesn't make you a slut wanting to have
(50:32):
you know, like this.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Is what we're taught being a slot.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
No, but that's but that's the word slut has always
when you're a teenager, had this really horrible negative connotation
to it, like that was the word that if you
wanted to be nasty to someone at school when you
were kids, that was what you said to them. Where
at the end of the day, we like sex as
much as everyone else. And I think you're doing a
lot for the industry.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I think overarchingly, especially when we were young. It's changed
so much now and it depends on the industry that
you're in. It depends culturally where you're from. But like
enjoying sex and being verbal about it, like talking about it,
especially as a woman, is shameful.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It's like, well, don't do that, because you know people
will get an impression of who you are. And it's
very interesting to hear someone speak about the adult entertainment
industry but speak about it from a place of liberation,
not from a place of oppression, which is what so
many people have been led down the path of believing
that that's.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
What it entails.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
I'm going to dirty talk so hard with benin suck
my tea.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
We're in long distance doesn't do it, So we're doing
good day.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Thank you so much for having me. It's been an
absolute pleasure everyone.
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