July 24, 2025 • 42 mins
Today’s guest is not only the most searched porn star globally, she is also by far our most viewed guest on youtube. Maybe people google Angela White expecting something else and they end up on our youtube channel instead!
Angela White is back on home soil fresh off winning two PornHub Awards in May, including taking home the crown again for the Most Popular Female Performer Award for 2025– the biggest award a female adult star can win.
We were lucky enough to speak with Angela back in February of 2024. Our episode was titled Everything You've Ever Wanted to Ask The World's Biggest Pornstar!
In that episode we spoke about:
- If orgasms are real in porn
- Boundaries in sex work
- The 'rules' in porn
- How to give blow jobs, dirty talk and start back door experiences
- OnlyFans and whether the money is as lucrative as we think
- Angela's most viral moment
Today we wanted to speak with Angela about the trajectory of the porn industry and how the landscape may or may not be changing with advancements in things like AI.
We chat:
- How Angela chooses other performers to work with
- Angela’s favourite type of porn
- How people respond to Angela when they see her in person
- Whether creators need to keep pushing the boundaries and setting ‘new records’ on onlyfans to be successful
- The one fantasy Angela would love to fulfil that she hasn’t been able to
- Porn following trends
- How AI is going to change the porn
- Whether creators could make more or less with the introduction of AI
- Are we sold a ‘get rich quick’ lie with certain types of onlyfans content?
- How much work is onlyfans?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on Cama regle Land.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life
un Cut. I'm Brittany and I'm Laura, and today we
have a repeat offender. We have had our guest on
the podcast before. She is a friend of Life on Cut.
Not only is she the most searched porn star globally,
but she is by far our most viewed guest on YouTube.
And now I think the reason for that is I
(00:32):
think a lot of people YouTube or google Angela White
looking for something very different and my Life on Cut,
they might end up on Life on Cut. But it's
been about eighteen months since we've had you on the podcast, Angela,
but you're back home on Aussie soil after winning two
Pornhub Awards in May, taking home the crown again for
Most Popular Female Performer Award in twenty twenty five, which
(00:53):
is the biggest award you can have in your industry.
And now, if you guys missed it, about eighteen months ago,
we did do an episode with you about everything you've
ever wanted to ask a porn star, and we're going
to link that in the show notes because it is
worth a listen.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh my god, go back and listen to it, because
it was like an eye opener for us and I
feel like, oh, this podcast, we've had many conversations about sex,
but if you've ever been curious, Angela was very forthcoming
and gave all of the information about the behind the scenes.
And also I think for me that episode, there was
so much in it around destigmatizing the work that you've
chosen and like how you got into the industry, and
(01:27):
I think people have a perception around something that they
don't know the ins and the outset, which I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So definitely go back and listen to that, because we
are going to scoot across a lot of the stuff
we covered in that episode, but we do want to
catch up with you on what's been happening in the
last eighteen months, and we want to talk about the
trajectory of porn and the industry with the introduction of
AI and the extreme growth of AI. It seems to
be taking over the world right now and the porn
industry is not excluded. So Angela, welcome to the podcast again.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thank you so much for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's great welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I mean, last time we asked you if you have
an actually unfiltered story. And your response to that was
that nothing is embarrassing when you work in the industry
that you work in.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, I know, I was trying to think of a story.
I really was trying to rack my brain and I
just can't think of anything. I think in the industry
we have a very different relationship with our bodies and
with bodily fluids. Like things that other people might find embarrassing,
we just don't.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You did tell a story that is worth the lison
and I listened to it again a couple of days
ago and I was laughing out loud. But you did
tell a story like, whilst it's not embarrassing, some people
might find it. You said you were masturbating with a
big dildo and then you laughed so hard that you
squeezed it out and it like flung across and hit
the director.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, in the head.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
So I mean, it's not really it's a funny story.
It's not embarrassing. But also it shows the power of
your vulvox.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
You reach keelvic floor. That's what you've got. That is
what that is right there.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I mean, when you laugh, you really do at least
my abs are squeezing, and my pelvic floor is squeezing
every time I laugh.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
When I laugh now I wet myself, so.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I get bad stage of pregnancy. So I envy your
power for congratulations. Actually it must be nice.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
How different this conversation. There were two worlds are right
now that I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
No, you know what something we spoke about last time,
But I found it really interesting and it was how
I guess like your rules have changed over the course
of your career. How there were things at the beginning
of your career that you were like, I'm never going
to do that. You were saying that you started off
doing only girl and girl, and then it kind of
evolved into things that you felt more comfortable about. You
explored different options and different things. Has anything changed in
(03:32):
the last eighteen months from when we last spoke to
things that you find yourself doing now that eighteen months
ago you would have been like, I don't know if
I'm going to do that.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Not really in the past eighteen months. I think at
this point in my career, I've pretty much.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Explored most things.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I want to say everything, because there are still some
things I don't want to do. But yeah, I think
I've explored everything that I want to explore.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Is there any stuff that you've done now that you're like, actually,
I won't do that again.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Hmmm, that's a good question. Not really.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I mean, so depending on who I work with, the
chemistry is either really hot or maybe not so much
so there Sometimes I'll work with a performer that I'm like,
like so excited to work with them again, Or I'll
work with someone where we just don't have the same
kind of chemistry or vibe So'll be like, mmm, I
won't have them like at the top of my list
(04:24):
to shoot with again. But there's not really any specific
acts that I'm like that are off the table that
I've done that I've enjoyed in the past.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do you do a vibe check with somebody new? Like
when you know you're gonna perform, do you do you know,
like when you start dating someone, you're like, let's go
for coffee first and feel it out. Do you meet them?
What's a vibe check look like?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
For Paunsy, we don't meet each other, although sometimes that
can happen at like an industry event, So we go
to industry parties and you'll meet somebody that you haven't
worked with before and kind of do the vibe check there.
But the way I do it is I do market research,
which just involves me looking at their work and seeing
how they interact with other performers. So if I like
(05:04):
the way they have sex, I like the way they
engage in full play, then I'll be like, Okay, that's
someone that I want to work with.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And do you get to choose everyone that you work with? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Like in that point of you're the best way the
world I know, But have you always been able to
sort of be like, Okay, I'm not doing this unless
it's this person, or I'm not doing this if it's
that personally.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Do you have that level of control at all stages?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
At all stages you have. You absolutely have a choice.
You can absolutely say no. But the thing is, at
the start of your career, you haven't worked with anybody
totally don't know what you don't like. Yeah, you want
to work with everybody, so you can kind of see
who you vibe with, see who enjoy working with, and
then you can kind of cull the list down. But yeah, absolutely,
performers always have a choice whether they want to work
(05:46):
with someone or not.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So what has been going on for you in the
last eighteen months. Last time we spoke to you, you had
just launched your and production company. You were very busy
and you were very entrepreneurial. Are you still focusing on
that now or are you taking a step away from
that and going back into performing what's like your key
focus of the moment.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
So I've always even with my production company, I've always
been performing. That is my that is my passion, that
is my love. So that's always at the forefront of
what I'm doing. But in the last eighteen months, I
did produce and direct a really big.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Movie called Fuck Angela. Where are we swearing on?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh yeah, okay, last time you talked about your buttle?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Okay, you can swear well.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
The title of the movie is literally fuck Angela, getting
straight down to what I wanted in this movie. But
it was an early two thousands throwback movie. So it
was really my love letter to my favorite era and
genre of porn, which is early two thousands gonzo.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
When you say a movie like, are we talking like
feature length? Like how long is a movie?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Like feature length movie.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I released it.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Not only did I release it on DVD, but because
it was a throwback. I released it on VHS.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Wow, I love whow How are people watching this on VHS?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Is anyone you will have one?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Will still have VCRs.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's kind of like there's been a resurgence as well,
especially when it comes to physical media and the kind
of nostalgic return to the early two thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I remember the day when you'd have to go into
like Video Easy or Blockbuster and they'd be like that
sordid section in the corner.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
You'd see everyone I see who was walking down there.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That was the only way that.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
He did curtains was like literally it was like horror
kids porn.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So it kind of like went from soft porn to
slightly more hard porn the more you got into the corner.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But also no one ever just went and got a
porn video that also have to cover it up. It's
like when you started buying condoms to chocolate and like
cover it like you get a com and cover the porn.
What's when you say two thousands is your favorite era
of porn? What was that era?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
It was just really heavily focused on gonzo porn, which
is my favorite kind of porn. So gonzo porn is
all sex porn really, So it's really ditching the script,
ditching any artifice, and getting straight to the performers and
focusing on the chemistry between them. So instead of making
them dress up and pretend to be a plumber and
a lonely housewife, it's just like getting performers together that
(08:01):
you know have really hot chemistry and letting them fuck
how exactly how they.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Want to fuck.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So no storyline as such, no story not coming to
fix the pooll.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What do you find is the most popular type of
porn that people are searching.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I think it's so varied, to be honest, I think
that the Internet has democratized porn, and I think that
there's a niche for it, like there's a Yeah, everybody
has their own niche, there's a market for everybody.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
What's it like?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I mean, it must be such a surreal experience being one.
I mean, you're the most searched person in terms of
the world of porn. People would recognize you on the street.
But then I would dare say that so many people.
Either you'd have people who want to come up to
you and be like, oh my god, I love you,
but then you'd also have people who are like there's
an angel white, I'm with my wife, can't say why
I love her? Like, how does that usually go for
(08:48):
you in a public setting?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
It all variations. It's all variations.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
I mean, there are people that come up to me
and we'll ask for a photo, and I also get
the people that kind of do more of a double take.
And it's not necessary only that they're with their partner,
it's just that they're potentially a little bit shy to
come up because in real life. Well also by coming
up to me, they are admitting that they watch porn,
which I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but
there is so much shame around sex and even watching
(09:14):
porn in our society that they might feel a little
awkward about coming up. And basically if they say I'm
your fan, they're basically saying I've seen you naked and
I've masturbated to you.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Essentially, that's their internal monolog in the room when somebody
comes up to say, yes, like I've jacked off to you.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah, it doesn't bother me. I mean that's what I
want you to do with my content. Yeah, that's the
compliment to me exactly. Yeah, so you just won these
huge awards. One of them is being the most popular.
What is the criteria for that? Is it literally just
being the most searched person?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Or has it got to do with your performances, trying
new things, pushing boundaries? What is the actual voting criteria?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
So for the porn Hub awards, those are based on data,
so that's on searches and comments and basically all data driven.
For awards like the Avian Performer of the Year, which
I've also won, that's different. That's more based on the
body of work, based on your performance, on your marketability,
so there's different criteria. So for the porn Hub most
(10:12):
search it's literally I'm the most searched porn staff for
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Congrass, thank you, that's so amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
How do you how do you find in terms of it?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And I know we spoke about a little bit last
time OnlyFans, which is obviously brought in a whole new
wave of exposure to the porn industry, but also it's
made more accessible for some people to tap into it.
I think there's also become a real competition element, well
at least a competition element that we now see in
terms of mainstream media trying to set these huge records
for like the most amount of people in the shortest
(10:41):
amount of time. What's your perception on I guess like
the trying to set records or like the competition element
that comes now with the porn industry, and I guess
more so the fact that things have to be pushed
crazier and crazier in order to get those headlines.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Oh okay, to get the headlined, sure, okay.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I mean when the news outlets want clicks, they want
a headline that's about men scandalous or quite impactful.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But you can have a successful career without ever getting
a headline.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I think that the most important thing is to create
content that you really enjoy, to create content that you
find fun. And that's going to be different for every creator.
So for me, like my focus is always genuine connection.
So even when I do group scenes, for example, I
choose an amount of men that I can actually make
sure that I'm connecting with each one of them. But
that's I mean, that's a personal choice. Now in terms
(11:35):
of like the record setting and like the really big numbers,
if that's what those creators find really fun and enjoyable,
then I think more power to them. If people are
doing that just for the headlines, I don't know if
that's a great idea. And I would say to anyone
thinking that they have to do something crazy to be successful, that's.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Absolutely not true.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You can have an incredibly successful career just by doing
what you love, whatever that may be.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Have you seen, you know, with the surge of accessibility
to porn and only fans and social media creators creating
this content, have you seen a surge over the last
couple of years of people that want to get into
the porn industry because of I guess the highlight reel
that we might be seeing from some people online, Like,
has it increased the number of people that want to
be adult performers.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I don't know that it has. There's always been people
that want to get into the industry. If anything, there's
so much money to be made on only fans, I
feel like there could be less people coming into the
studio system.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, they're entering through a different way now, I guess.
I mean it's every single industry has its own version
of it. I talk about like in media terms, there
used to be a traditional route for radio right people
would come, they would work as producers, they'd work their
way out through network stations. Now you go on reality
TV shows and you end up getting radio shows that
there's other and I guess like there have been new
(12:55):
ways of entry points into different industries, and I feel
like Only Fans has potentially made it more accessible for
some people. Whereas like taking a very traditional route and
being at the mercy or being someone who has to
be cast in something like you have directors and other
people who are the ones in control of that situation,
(13:15):
especially when you're just starting out. But potentially Only Fans
gives younger creators or newer creators the ability to dictate
how they want to create.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
That well, I think Only Fans has really empowered creators
in that, Like all these creators are now basically producers
and directors as well, so they're casting their own collapse,
They're deciding on the location, on the wardrobe, on how
long they want to shoot for what kind of content
they want to create. So I do think Only Fans
has empowered performers to even just be more creative and
(13:43):
bring their own sexual visions to life.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We did see some teasers with you and Blue Eyed
Kayla Jade. I don't know if you're allowed to say,
what's going on there? Are we going to see a
collab there?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
We just did an interview so far, so that was but.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
A realize as in like this time it was a
face to face one was it face to face podcast?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So I'm very excited for that to come out of.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Okay, so watch this space maybe for a club or
I would love to Okay, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right, well you had it hit first.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
What do you think in terms of when you say, like,
there's nothing now that you haven't done that you wouldn't
as in like in terms of things that you've tried,
you're like, I've kind of tried everything. When you feel
like that in your career, where do you go to
from there? Like what's next in terms of the things
that you want to be creating the type of content
that you find the most fulfilling, and also like what
is it that's like the next big project?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Oh, I'm always excited to shoot with new people and
kind of build chemistry with new performers. I guess the
one thing that I haven't done that I have spoken
about that I love to do. It's a very unrealistic dream,
but I would love to shoot a scene in space.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We were going to ask you, Yeah, we're so interested
in that. No talk to us about that. Where did
the space fantasy.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Come from, Katie Perry wasn't.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
No, No, I've had it from you.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
I've had this space as for a very long time.
The idea of having sex in zero gravity is just unbelievable, and.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They've been training for it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah. I did the zero gravity experience with zero G
which was absolutely amazing. And I don't know if you
saw my little reel with the water droplets, because I mean,
the money shot in space is just going to be
crazy because the COM's gonna like end up in little
round droplets that's going to be able to float around
and floating.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Around in space like man.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know you had pack man used to go and eat.
But then, so have you spoken to them logistically about
if it is possible, like Ken, sex in zero gravity,
now that you've experienced it, do you think that you
would be able to control it and have that experience?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
You would need to have some sort of harness because
you float away from each other basically, and if the
man thrusts into you, if it's a boys girl g yes, exactly,
So you'd have to have some kind of harness to
keep you together.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Can you do it in terms of when you say
you've done training and you've gone an experience like the
zero gravity that we have here, can you create a
sex scene in that like? Would that be logistically possible?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Logistically it would be tough because on those parabolic flights
you only really get thirty seconds of micro gravity at
a time, So you've got thirty you'd have thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
To get you pumped in.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That's a real quickie, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
It's a real quickie, and then you have like a
prestent a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Of like regular gravity again and then another thirty seconds
of microgravity.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So it would be tough to shoot a scene.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Also, a lot of these companies have contracts with NASA,
and NASA's not going to because it's the.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Same It doesn't want to look at how many clicks
I get. God damn it, NASA get on board.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So is it is it possible?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Then?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Do you think there is a way you're going to
be able to do it? I don't mean just like
physically do it, but is there a company that would
facilitate this?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Look, it's not impossible, but I kind of need a
billionaire to be interested.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
In creating, and he loves space.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
If we are going to populate Mars or any of
these space stations, we really need to have research into
sexuality in space, in microgravity, in different or even Martian gravity,
all these different environments, because reproduction is going to be
more complicated in these situations.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I love that now you can pitch this as like,
I'm just here for humanity, guys and help.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
No ulterior motive. I'm completely selfless. I just want to
help science.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Have you reached out to seriously? Like, I don't feel
like it's necessarily something that someone like Elon Musk would
poo pooh. You know, I feel like there's a big
part of him that might He's pretty crazy and he's
pretty forward. He also owns like half.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Space SpaceX isn't there? Don't doesn't he have a contract
with that? I have no idea how it does.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I can't say that I'm literate on the Elon Musk
spaces he reached out.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Sliding into his dams. He responds to a lot of
people on Twitter, Okay, watch this space angela.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
You mentioned something before, and I find this really fascinating
because we see it in fashion, we see it in
literally every other industry when things come back around in cycles.
And you talked about how your favorite is from, you know,
the bygone era of porn.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Do you find that.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Porn itself has like a cyclical sort of you know,
what was once in fashion comes back in fashion. Maybe
it's in terms of not just the type of porn,
but it could be in terms of like the look
or the style. Does it have that sort of repetitive
kind of cycle.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yes, And it's also influenced by mainstream culture as well.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
So for example, like if there's a popular TV show,
there's going to be a triple X parody of it.
Even now, like in the mainstream culture, we've got like
a nostalgic throwback to the early two thousands, and so
that was my perfect moment to bring to do my
love letter to my favorite era of pornography.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
And then of course we have.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Our own little niches that for a while there, it
was the Fox sesst stuff, the step the step sister
stuff that I feel like is waning that's not as
big of a trend, but for a while there that
was a huge trend.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Is it a trend because people are curious about it,
or is it a trend because people genuinely deeply have
those fantasies themselves.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Look, I can't I don't know for sure, but my
just opinion is that it's just about the taboo, Like
it's just another taboo to.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Tappen, Yeah, because I I mean, like, it's interesting to
me that that became something that was so fixated on
and it's like, surely there aren't that many people.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
In the world who actually want to fuck their stepsister.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Like are they I don't know, or their stepdad or
they're like that's because like some of that uhs obviously,
like everyone has kinks and if it lives in a
fantasy world, then like it's fine.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But that's when it kind of like tips into like, well,
is it a fantasy because it's a real thought or
is it a fantasy because it's a fantasy.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I think it's a fantasy because it's a fantasy. I
think if you look at a lot of the tropes
of porn, porn is just like it's naughty, you know.
It's like there's cheating fantasies, fantasies about having sex with
your boss. So you're secretary, or having sex with the
plumber while your husband is out.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
It's all these naughty a cold play.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, I think it's just like you know, we want
to have these little naughty fantasies, and so paorn just
figured out, oh there's another one that we can tap into,
and people liked it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I mean, we did want to speak to you about
AI and the way I affecting the porn industry. We
are seeing deep faked AI generated, fully synthetic actors and actresses.
How have you seen, as someone that's so deeply integrated
in the industry, how have you seen AI affect the industry?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Well, I think that pornography is very uniquely positioned to
take advantage of AI, especially performers that have already built
a brand like I myself have already had my entire
body scanned. I did that in twenty twenty one, and
I've been working with a team to have my body
rigged so that I can wear a motion capture suit
and make my digital double move or you can actually
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program it with a computer and have my body move.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So when you say you've had your body scanned, you
mean to create a realistic AI version?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yes, So that then I will have a digital double
that can work when I'm not working, because there's only
so much I can do as one person.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Is it realistic enough what you have created thus far
that people would not be able to tell the difference,
or is it pretty evident that one is the real
you and one is AIU.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
It's very close, but like it's not ready to launch
in my opinion, right, but it is.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
It's looking very close.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean, this is an interesting way in terms of
how it can be used for the positive because I
think a lot of the times we hear about ai
especially deep fakes, and we hear about the negative side
of it, how like people's images are being taken, and
I know that there are rules and regulations that are
coming out around it, But it is kind of chicken
or the egg in these situations. A lot when new
technology is developed, the legislation doesn't catch up fast enough.
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So often it's like not until deep fakes are already
being circulated that then government some policies go, oh, that
that's going to affect people negatively. But it's so interesting
to hear how you speak about it being a positive
thing potentially in the world of porn.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean there's only so many scenes.
I can only be on one set at one time.
My digital double could do any porn scene at any time.
Any fan could just program my body to do a
scene while I'm potentially just sitting at home.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Does that Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
But I also think like if you can give that
license to someone to have full complete control over your
digital body, like even just saying that, I could be
sitting at home and someone could program it to do
whatever they want to it.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Well, no, there's always limits even with like if you're
talking to chat GPT, they put limits on what kinds
of conversations you can have. So you can't just make
a digital double say or do absolutely anything you want.
You'd program it to be able.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
To have its boundaries exactly. And then if you are
doing that, would you be making more money less money
in terms of like per job. So obviously overall you're
able to earn more because you can be in a
hundred places at once, But if you were going to license,
if you were going to go into a physical scene,
or you're going to go and license your AI body,
what would you charge out more?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
So I own my scan, so I don't know. I
mean Obviously this is all sort of in the future.
We're not quite there yet.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But I don't think we're far off, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, I guess we'll see what happens. But in terms
of licensing, I'm not sure whether I would how I
would license my digital double at this point because I'm
very much I love to have control of my image,
so I'm going to be very careful.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
About how I use this digital double.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And also, like I would say, in terms of like
performers having their bodies scanned by companies that then own
their image.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, that's a little problematic.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yell, because then that company is going to own your image.
In the AI space, it's hard to answer the question
will I make more money this way or that way,
because we're not quite there yet.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Is it something that exists? So what are like the
parameters for in terms of porn hub at the moment?
So is it possible for there to be deep fakes
at the moment that are circulated online that the person
doesn't know exists, you.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
I can't really speak on deep fakes because I do
want to differentiate because deep fakes are not part of
the porn industry. Because deep fakes, just like I always
had an issue when people say revenge porn because that
kind of content isn't pornography, because pornography, as I define
it is consensual content made by adults for adults, and
revenge porn is something I don't know what we're going
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to call it, but it's revenge sexual assault material.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I don't know what, but it's not pornography.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a something good point. Actually, yeah, it definitely should
have a different name.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, because it's not it's not something that's created by
the pornography industry. For you know, it's not consensual exactly
so and same with deep fakes.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That's not content.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So do you think that maybe the murky line is
is because it can all exist in the same place,
so it's possible for it to be uploaded if safe
for it, for example Pornhub, and I also don't know
enough about it, so I don't want to say anything
that may be technically incorrect. But on one hand, it
is a platform where you can find very consensual, highly
creative content that's been made from people who love their
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jobs and love the industry. But you can also find
things on there that probably maybe shouldn't be living on
that platform as well.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Actually not anymore because Pornhub. Yeah, porn Hub changed their
policies I believe in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, and
so now you have to be a registered performer to
be able to upload content, right.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Right, so not amateur in the same way as what
I used to look like. That's really interesting because I mean,
obviously those changes had to come into effect to protect people,
but I didn't realize it was something that had been upheld.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You know, have you seen any AI generated images of
you already that you were not in control of.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Oh yeah, they're awful.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
No, I mean awful is and they don't not really
I mean me, but I'm like, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I just watch did that anyway?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, exactly. It's scary because even just I'm just thinking
of one this is nothing to do with sex, but
just how crazily real AI is.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
There was this model that's gone viral just at Wimbledon recently.
She was at all the events. She was like a
beautiful fashion model and she was watching the matches and
it was insane and she grew by like one hundred
and fifty thousand followers over Wimbledon, she had really famous
professional athletes from around the world message, you know, wanting
to date her, and then it came out that she's
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just Ai. She doesn't exist, She's completely fague.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But it's also why it's one of the interesting things,
because I think people talk about this space of like
AI coming into porn, but a lot of porn, especially
the porn that you do, is all about human connections,
So it's like that's the one thing that can't be
replicated in the same way, I do think it raises
concerns and you hit the nail on the head when
it comes to who owns an image, and that's probably
the thing that hasn't been nailed down or drilled down
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yet because I feel like a lot of people, maybe
not even realizing, could sign that right away for an
immediate offer.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
That feels really amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Not knowing what the long term sacrifice may be of
doing that or making that decision early on in a career,
especially when AI is still so embryonic in every industry.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
As someone that's so multifaceted in the industry that you
are a performer, you have only fans, but you also
produce your own content, like you have multiple funnels of income.
If you're happy to tell us, what do you think
is the most profitable for you as someone that has
their finger in so many.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Parts, It's easy.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's only fans, only fans, by far by, fear by
far Because you got into it quite late, didn't you. You
joined fans?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah, yes, well I had an only fans account in
twenty the end of twenty seventeen and started twenty eighteen,
so I had one quite early, but I wasn't really
utilizing it. I was uploading a photo every now and again,
not not really fully into it. But then when COVID
hit and I could no longer be on set and
everybody was at home and there was no other way
to really interact with fans, only fans blew up as
a platform, and that's when I really started to engage
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in any fans.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
What do you enjoy doing more?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Even though only fans may be more of an income asset,
What is the type of content that you enjoy doing.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I love both.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I love both studio work and only fans. I mean
with only fans, I create all sorts of content for it,
So I create the same kind of content that I
would for studios, so very highly produced content. But then
I also produce more amateur POV and solo content, more.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Day to day, unfiltered, more realistic kind of content.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
How much of that is personalized because I know with
only fans it's obviously like a little bit more of
a personal accessibility, which obviously you have control over. You
allow people in as much as you want or you
are able to set those boundaries. How much of the
work that you do on there is that personalization aspect
quite a.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Lot actually, I mean it actually depends on my schedule,
depending on how much I'm shooting that week or that month.
So for example, like custom videos, I turn them on
and off depending on how much time I have.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
So I do offer custom videos.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
They are a little more expensive obviously because I can't
sell it yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Over and over again.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
So it's more profitable for me to do a solo
that I can sell to everyone than say a custom
solo that I sell to one person, which is why
I have to charge more. But I do quite a
lot of like quite personalized content, and even the content
that I do that I send in the DMS to everyone,
I still try and make it feel personalized, even if
I'm not saying a person's name. I try and make
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it very intimate, as if I speak into the lens,
as if I'm speaking to my fans, so that you know,
it feels more intimate, feels special, it feels like I
made it just for them.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What are some of the more unusual requests you've had
on OnlyFans?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I get requests for everything every niche.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Obviously, because I have big natural boobs, I do get
a lot of big natural tits fetish custom requests. So
it might even just be like oiling up my boobs
or you know, putting nipple clamps on and just just
boob focused stuff. But then I've got my feet guys
who want to see my my my toes suck.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So that is such an interesting niche to me because
it absolutely exists. I mean, there's wiki feet page out there,
Laura's talked about it for I have a Wiki feet page.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I did not set it up myself.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Guys someone on the internet money from it, though people.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Are on their rating.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, I get nothing, I get nothing, But I also
feel like it's see if.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
You're giving away your toes right now, which is okay.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Every time I'm like featured on the podcast and like
I've got my shoes off. My husband always screenshots it
sends to me and he's like free content, like we've
got mortgages, Like do something with this.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Do you think that there is room on Only Fans
and like, because we hear about it, but it's almost
like the things of myths and legends. So tell us
what tell us how it really is. Do you think
you could make a lot of money on Only Fans
as someone that's anonymous, so you don't know who you
but you're posting feet asking for a friend.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No, I feel like this is like for people who
are not familiar with the platform, Like, let me say
I'm one of them. I'm not familiar with the platform,
but I feel like that there's a lot of like
almost get rich schemes on there.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Well, that's why when I ask, because that's what we're
led to believe. We're led down the garden path that
like anyone can go on there and make money and
make content.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
It's unlikely.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, you'd have to have the most beautiful or the
most unique feet in the entire world.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Most people that are making big money on OnlyFans are
showing their face. Yeah, they have a personality to go
behind like that goes along with the photos just feet picks.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, you might make a little bit of money. You're
gonna get rich off it.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Is there anything that you've been asked to do on
only fans that you have had to say no to?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Tons of things, the most disgusting things. You can think
of those things. To give us an example, like something
that pops to mind, I.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Mean, are you sure you want to get an Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
How we?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I mean I always kind it interesting we talk about
the successibility now in terms of only fans, it's been
on one hand, it's celebrated.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
On one hand, it's demonized.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I think that that's probably the porn industry in general
in terms of how people view it. I loved when
we spoke last time and you spoke about how positive
it has been as an experience for you and how
much you have enjoyed it, because your story is very
much in the contrary to the stories that you often
hear when it comes to the porn industry in the
dark side of it. What would be your advice for
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someone who wants to get into doing only fans, who's
thought about it, who's you know, maybe even like started
or set up a page or whatever. How would you
say for someone who's young thinking about it to kind
of progress through this.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
The first thing I would say is that it is
a lot of work. Don't think that just because you're
gorgeous that you can take a few photos and you're
going to make a lot of money. You have to
build your social media presence, you have to market yourself,
you have to be on the platform constantly chatting with fans,
uploading content. There's so much that goes into a successful account.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
So if you think it's just going to be this.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Little side hustle you're going to put up some hot
picks and maybe some hot videos and make a ton
of money, that's just not how it's going to work. Look,
it can happen for some people if there's some scandal
surrounding them, but it's just so unlikely.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So if they do want to get into the industry,
whether it's only fans or studio porn, just know that
this is something that you should do because you're really
into the work. You're really excited about expressing and exploring
your sexuality on camera, and it's something that you'd want
to do. Even if you weren't making a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, because I feel like that there's probably people who
have kind of bought into the get rich quick scheme,
and there's probably a lot of content creators that live
on only fans who are doing that version. They're not
doing a lot of it, but they've put just an
online that like, well, okay, now there's explicit content of
you online.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Did you do it because you wanted to do it?
Or did you do it because you thought you were
going to make money off it?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And then you didn't make the money and now it's online,
So then you're left in this kind of gray area
of like, well, what do I do with this? Rather
than it being because this is an industry you absolutely
are driven by.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Well, when I started, there wasn't that much money in porn.
I didn't make a lot of money when I first started.
I did it because I really wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What would have been like a ballpark figure that you
would make at the beginning when you started for a
porn film, like for going and filming one of your
scenes or one of your movies.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Like a couple thousand bucks?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Because I think people think that maybe you'd be you'd
be making so much money, like twenty thirty forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
No. I did it because I loved it. It was
my passion. I wanted to do it, and I didn't
make money for many, many, many years, and I did
it just for the love of the game.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Did people find it hard to understand that in terms
of like or were your family and friends and stuff
pretty accepting in pretty like oh that's Angela because.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I would say that mix.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, I would say that if you're not making a
lot of money from it, but you are putting yourself
out there in a way that's like, you know, very
sexually explorative and also like has the voyeurism aspect where
anyone can go online and see it.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
People have opinions.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, it was definitely a mixed bag. There were people,
like you said, that were like, oh, well, that's Angela.
We always expected her to do that. But then people
were like, firstly, why would you do this whether.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
You're making money or not, because there was that there
still is this sort of idea that oh, you'd only
get into porn if you were traumatized or if you
had no any other options, and that just wasn't the case,
for me, it was something that I wanted to do.
But yeah, there are definitely people that will Why would
you do it if you're not making a ton of money?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
In terms of the creators that you work with? What
has been your experience? And I guess what I mean
is is like when you say people think, oh, you
have to have been traumatized or gone through some really
like fucked up family shit or something to want to
end up working in the porn industry. When you have
worked with other creators, what has been your assessment of
the porn industry?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
The same as every other industry that I've ever worked in,
Like I just like nobody looks at there's no studies
done on how many people have been traumatized that go
into like the legal profession.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, like become psychiatry, But like what do you.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Want to become a psychiatrist? Like what did you go
through that now you want to help others in that? No,
it's just it's the same as any other kind of workplace.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's so interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I mean, actually that is like there's lots of statstyle
that have come out around like people who work in
like psychology or therapists and just then have gotten into
the jobs because they've wanted to psychoanalyze, like what it
was their blueprint that their experience there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't want people to think we just scooted it
over that. Angela actually has such an interesting story about how,
I mean, how you got into the porn industry and
the why in the process, and we went into great
detail about that in our first episode eighteen months ago.
So guys, if you're interested, go and search that. We
talk so much about it and I loved it. Something
that I think a lot of people ask and want
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to know curious about is how you manage your relationships
in real life. A lot of people don't understand that
you might be able to have a monogamous relationship with
somebody and do what you do. Where are you at
now in your relationship status? And I guess what have
you navigated in the past when you're trying to manage
a very successful porn career and a beautiful intimate private relationship.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
I'm dating a couple of people right now, Okay, nice
I think you'll find every kind of relationship status in porn,
Like there are married couples in porn that are a
monogamous aside from when they're at work. And then there
are people that are polyamorous in the industry, and people
that are completely open, and people that just don't even
want a partner, that just want to be single and work.
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So I think that you can kind of build your
own relationship style in life, and I think in porn
you have to have partners that are willing.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
To be open to the fact that you are being
sexual with people at work.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Some people sort of dma kate work sex and home sex.
I don't so much because my aim in every porn
scene is to have genuine connection and chemistry with the
people that I'm working with. So I can't be like, oh,
don't worry, it means nothing at work, because I want
it to mean something at work. But I know other
people kind of have this thing where it's like, well,
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there's the work sex and then there's the home sex,
and that's how they come.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And they're different.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
They're very different.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
So in terms of that, though, how do your partners
and assume when you say you're dading a couple of people,
is polyamory something that is in okay?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So have you experienced.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Where there is jealousy where they're like, Okay, well, if
you're at work and you're telling me this means something
to you, then what does that mean for what we share?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Or is it something now?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
And I guess because you are so open about it
and it's not like anyone comes into a relationship.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
With you where it's a surprise.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, but like, do you find that sometimes it's still
rears its head or is.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
It everyone's you know, you're human.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Some people are going to be jealous at certain points,
but you just try and be empathetic to the person
and try and figure out, like where is that jealousy
coming from, Like what's the fear behind it? And try
and address that fear. Is it that maybe they're not
feeling like they're getting enough attention from me and so
it hurts to see me giving someone else's attention on screen?
Or am I not giving them enough time? Do they
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want more time with me? What is it that's actually
at the root of it? And so that's that's kind
of how I try and deal with it.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Do you date other people in the industry?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I try not to, but I am you are. I
try not to just because it makes things more complicated.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
It's been good for me to date people sort of
in the industry but not adjacent, right, because.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Then they understand the game, they understand what it's like on.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Set like a director or exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Then they get it, whereas people that aren't in the industry,
it is a lot more difficult for them to understand.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I can understand that it's or like, it's just more
of an education piece for them to kind of like
grapple with the cab. Well, what does your like I
go to work and I'm an accountant, what do you
you do during the day.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
What's a normal day of work?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, And I guess also when you are someone who's
not just got a nine to five job, when you
are working on OnlyFans and you talk about the level
of hours and commitment that that takes, it's like, how
do you separate your private life, your home life from
what is happening online when you kind of have to
always be online and be putting the hours in as well.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
How do you create those boundaries for yourself?
Speaker 5 (40:24):
I will admit I'm the worst person to ask because
I don't have a work life balance, but that yeah,
I'm just.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Actually okay with that because I love my work and.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
You're hustling for yourself. You got your own business exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
So.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And so when you say that you're dating a few people, now,
are you in an open RelA like, are you in
a relationship and dating or are you just seeing different
people freely?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
It's more of like it's not really fully labeled, but
sort of like an open relationship kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Okay, yeah, And any of the people that you date
now or have dated not.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
It's like what's their name and when.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
They But are they I guess shout out no, But
I guess it's like that game Doctor Get you know,
does he wear a hat? Does he wear glasses?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And I'm like, leave you.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Alone, no, because I think it's it. I think it's
a really interesting conversation, and I think a lot of
people are interested in how you manage it. Are any
of the people that you're dating simultaneously in the industry
and not in the industry? So, like anyone now on
your roster of lovers, situationships, partners, whatever they are, are they
not in the industry at the moment.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Most are in the industry. One is sort of not.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Angela even talk to me about ages about this. I
really do want to say, like, if you've come to
this episode but didn't listen to the first episode we
did with Angela, you absolutely have to because it was
all the nitty ready. It was everything from double penetration
to triple penetration, very triple of course, how could I
forget I got one?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
There's three holes, Like what Angela to double penetration?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
No, but we talked about everything and the nuance of that,
And I guess like from this perspective, if you came
into this episode, you'd probably be like, but why would
you not ask her those questions?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
So we have in the past, and we did the squirting,
we did the triple penetration, we did your education and
how you got into it. There are so many things
that we covered in that Do you really orgasm in sex?
Or is it fake? It's a fascinating, fascinating interview. But
don't just go and listen to it, go and watch
it on YouTube. Both of these are going to be
on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Absolutely, Angela's alway, isn't that the absolute delight to have you?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We will have you back anytime.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Next time, we'll have some more sort of questions for you.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Yeah, I want to have a sexy one. Okay, we
can do that. Thank you so much for having me.
This episode was recorded on Cama regle Land.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life
un Cut. I'm Brittany and I'm Laura, and today we
have a repeat offender. We have had our guest on
the podcast before. She is a friend of Life on Cut.
Not only is she the most searched porn star globally,
but she is by far our most viewed guest on YouTube.
And now I think the reason for that is I
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think a lot of people YouTube or google Angela White
looking for something very different and my Life on Cut,
they might end up on Life on Cut. But it's
been about eighteen months since we've had you on the podcast, Angela,
but you're back home on Aussie soil after winning two
Pornhub Awards in May, taking home the crown again for
Most Popular Female Performer Award in twenty twenty five, which
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is the biggest award you can have in your industry.
And now, if you guys missed it, about eighteen months ago,
we did do an episode with you about everything you've
ever wanted to ask a porn star, and we're going
to link that in the show notes because it is
worth a listen.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh my god, go back and listen to it, because
it was like an eye opener for us and I
feel like, oh, this podcast, we've had many conversations about sex,
but if you've ever been curious, Angela was very forthcoming
and gave all of the information about the behind the scenes.
And also I think for me that episode, there was
so much in it around destigmatizing the work that you've
chosen and like how you got into the industry, and
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I think people have a perception around something that they
don't know the ins and the outset, which I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So definitely go back and listen to that, because we
are going to scoot across a lot of the stuff
we covered in that episode, but we do want to
catch up with you on what's been happening in the
last eighteen months, and we want to talk about the
trajectory of porn and the industry with the introduction of
AI and the extreme growth of AI. It seems to
be taking over the world right now and the porn
industry is not excluded. So Angela, welcome to the podcast again.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thank you so much for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's great welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I mean, last time we asked you if you have
an actually unfiltered story. And your response to that was
that nothing is embarrassing when you work in the industry
that you work in.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, I know, I was trying to think of a story.
I really was trying to rack my brain and I
just can't think of anything. I think in the industry
we have a very different relationship with our bodies and
with bodily fluids. Like things that other people might find embarrassing,
we just don't.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You did tell a story that is worth the lison
and I listened to it again a couple of days
ago and I was laughing out loud. But you did
tell a story like, whilst it's not embarrassing, some people
might find it. You said you were masturbating with a
big dildo and then you laughed so hard that you
squeezed it out and it like flung across and hit
the director.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, in the head.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
So I mean, it's not really it's a funny story.
It's not embarrassing. But also it shows the power of
your vulvox.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
You reach keelvic floor. That's what you've got. That is
what that is right there.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I mean, when you laugh, you really do at least
my abs are squeezing, and my pelvic floor is squeezing
every time I laugh.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
When I laugh now I wet myself, so.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I get bad stage of pregnancy. So I envy your
power for congratulations. Actually it must be nice.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
How different this conversation. There were two worlds are right
now that I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
No, you know what something we spoke about last time,
But I found it really interesting and it was how
I guess like your rules have changed over the course
of your career. How there were things at the beginning
of your career that you were like, I'm never going
to do that. You were saying that you started off
doing only girl and girl, and then it kind of
evolved into things that you felt more comfortable about. You
explored different options and different things. Has anything changed in
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the last eighteen months from when we last spoke to
things that you find yourself doing now that eighteen months
ago you would have been like, I don't know if
I'm going to do that.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Not really in the past eighteen months. I think at
this point in my career, I've pretty much.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Explored most things.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I want to say everything, because there are still some
things I don't want to do. But yeah, I think
I've explored everything that I want to explore.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Is there any stuff that you've done now that you're like, actually,
I won't do that again.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Hmmm, that's a good question. Not really.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I mean, so depending on who I work with, the
chemistry is either really hot or maybe not so much
so there Sometimes I'll work with a performer that I'm like,
like so excited to work with them again, Or I'll
work with someone where we just don't have the same
kind of chemistry or vibe So'll be like, mmm, I
won't have them like at the top of my list
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to shoot with again. But there's not really any specific
acts that I'm like that are off the table that
I've done that I've enjoyed in the past.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do you do a vibe check with somebody new? Like
when you know you're gonna perform, do you do you know,
like when you start dating someone, you're like, let's go
for coffee first and feel it out. Do you meet them?
What's a vibe check look like?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
For Paunsy, we don't meet each other, although sometimes that
can happen at like an industry event, So we go
to industry parties and you'll meet somebody that you haven't
worked with before and kind of do the vibe check there.
But the way I do it is I do market research,
which just involves me looking at their work and seeing
how they interact with other performers. So if I like
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the way they have sex, I like the way they
engage in full play, then I'll be like, Okay, that's
someone that I want to work with.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And do you get to choose everyone that you work with? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Like in that point of you're the best way the
world I know, But have you always been able to
sort of be like, Okay, I'm not doing this unless
it's this person, or I'm not doing this if it's
that personally.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Do you have that level of control at all stages?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
At all stages you have. You absolutely have a choice.
You can absolutely say no. But the thing is, at
the start of your career, you haven't worked with anybody
totally don't know what you don't like. Yeah, you want
to work with everybody, so you can kind of see
who you vibe with, see who enjoy working with, and
then you can kind of cull the list down. But yeah, absolutely,
performers always have a choice whether they want to work
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with someone or not.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So what has been going on for you in the
last eighteen months. Last time we spoke to you, you had
just launched your and production company. You were very busy
and you were very entrepreneurial. Are you still focusing on
that now or are you taking a step away from
that and going back into performing what's like your key
focus of the moment.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
So I've always even with my production company, I've always
been performing. That is my that is my passion, that
is my love. So that's always at the forefront of
what I'm doing. But in the last eighteen months, I
did produce and direct a really big.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Movie called Fuck Angela. Where are we swearing on?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh yeah, okay, last time you talked about your buttle?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Okay, you can swear well.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
The title of the movie is literally fuck Angela, getting
straight down to what I wanted in this movie. But
it was an early two thousands throwback movie. So it
was really my love letter to my favorite era and
genre of porn, which is early two thousands gonzo.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
When you say a movie like, are we talking like
feature length? Like how long is a movie?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Like feature length movie.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I released it.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Not only did I release it on DVD, but because
it was a throwback. I released it on VHS.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Wow, I love whow How are people watching this on VHS?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Is anyone you will have one?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Will still have VCRs.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's kind of like there's been a resurgence as well,
especially when it comes to physical media and the kind
of nostalgic return to the early two thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I remember the day when you'd have to go into
like Video Easy or Blockbuster and they'd be like that
sordid section in the corner.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
You'd see everyone I see who was walking down there.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That was the only way that.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
He did curtains was like literally it was like horror
kids porn.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So it kind of like went from soft porn to
slightly more hard porn the more you got into the corner.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But also no one ever just went and got a
porn video that also have to cover it up. It's
like when you started buying condoms to chocolate and like
cover it like you get a com and cover the porn.
What's when you say two thousands is your favorite era
of porn? What was that era?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
It was just really heavily focused on gonzo porn, which
is my favorite kind of porn. So gonzo porn is
all sex porn really, So it's really ditching the script,
ditching any artifice, and getting straight to the performers and
focusing on the chemistry between them. So instead of making
them dress up and pretend to be a plumber and
a lonely housewife, it's just like getting performers together that
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you know have really hot chemistry and letting them fuck
how exactly how they.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Want to fuck.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So no storyline as such, no story not coming to
fix the pooll.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What do you find is the most popular type of
porn that people are searching.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I think it's so varied, to be honest, I think
that the Internet has democratized porn, and I think that
there's a niche for it, like there's a Yeah, everybody
has their own niche, there's a market for everybody.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
What's it like?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I mean, it must be such a surreal experience being one.
I mean, you're the most searched person in terms of
the world of porn. People would recognize you on the street.
But then I would dare say that so many people.
Either you'd have people who want to come up to
you and be like, oh my god, I love you,
but then you'd also have people who are like there's
an angel white, I'm with my wife, can't say why
I love her? Like, how does that usually go for
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you in a public setting?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
It all variations. It's all variations.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
I mean, there are people that come up to me
and we'll ask for a photo, and I also get
the people that kind of do more of a double take.
And it's not necessary only that they're with their partner,
it's just that they're potentially a little bit shy to
come up because in real life. Well also by coming
up to me, they are admitting that they watch porn,
which I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but
there is so much shame around sex and even watching
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porn in our society that they might feel a little
awkward about coming up. And basically if they say I'm
your fan, they're basically saying I've seen you naked and
I've masturbated to you.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Essentially, that's their internal monolog in the room when somebody
comes up to say, yes, like I've jacked off to you.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah, it doesn't bother me. I mean that's what I
want you to do with my content. Yeah, that's the
compliment to me exactly. Yeah, so you just won these
huge awards. One of them is being the most popular.
What is the criteria for that? Is it literally just
being the most searched person?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Or has it got to do with your performances, trying
new things, pushing boundaries? What is the actual voting criteria?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
So for the porn Hub awards, those are based on data,
so that's on searches and comments and basically all data driven.
For awards like the Avian Performer of the Year, which
I've also won, that's different. That's more based on the
body of work, based on your performance, on your marketability,
so there's different criteria. So for the porn Hub most
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search it's literally I'm the most searched porn staff for
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Congrass, thank you, that's so amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
How do you how do you find in terms of it?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And I know we spoke about a little bit last
time OnlyFans, which is obviously brought in a whole new
wave of exposure to the porn industry, but also it's
made more accessible for some people to tap into it.
I think there's also become a real competition element, well
at least a competition element that we now see in
terms of mainstream media trying to set these huge records
for like the most amount of people in the shortest
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amount of time. What's your perception on I guess like
the trying to set records or like the competition element
that comes now with the porn industry, and I guess
more so the fact that things have to be pushed
crazier and crazier in order to get those headlines.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Oh okay, to get the headlined, sure, okay.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I mean when the news outlets want clicks, they want
a headline that's about men scandalous or quite impactful.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But you can have a successful career without ever getting
a headline.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I think that the most important thing is to create
content that you really enjoy, to create content that you
find fun. And that's going to be different for every creator.
So for me, like my focus is always genuine connection.
So even when I do group scenes, for example, I
choose an amount of men that I can actually make
sure that I'm connecting with each one of them. But
that's I mean, that's a personal choice. Now in terms
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of like the record setting and like the really big numbers,
if that's what those creators find really fun and enjoyable,
then I think more power to them. If people are
doing that just for the headlines, I don't know if
that's a great idea. And I would say to anyone
thinking that they have to do something crazy to be successful, that's.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Absolutely not true.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You can have an incredibly successful career just by doing
what you love, whatever that may be.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Have you seen, you know, with the surge of accessibility
to porn and only fans and social media creators creating
this content, have you seen a surge over the last
couple of years of people that want to get into
the porn industry because of I guess the highlight reel
that we might be seeing from some people online, Like,
has it increased the number of people that want to
be adult performers.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I don't know that it has. There's always been people
that want to get into the industry. If anything, there's
so much money to be made on only fans, I
feel like there could be less people coming into the
studio system.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, they're entering through a different way now, I guess.
I mean it's every single industry has its own version
of it. I talk about like in media terms, there
used to be a traditional route for radio right people
would come, they would work as producers, they'd work their
way out through network stations. Now you go on reality
TV shows and you end up getting radio shows that
there's other and I guess like there have been new
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ways of entry points into different industries, and I feel
like Only Fans has potentially made it more accessible for
some people. Whereas like taking a very traditional route and
being at the mercy or being someone who has to
be cast in something like you have directors and other
people who are the ones in control of that situation,
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especially when you're just starting out. But potentially Only Fans
gives younger creators or newer creators the ability to dictate
how they want to create.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
That well, I think Only Fans has really empowered creators
in that, Like all these creators are now basically producers
and directors as well, so they're casting their own collapse,
They're deciding on the location, on the wardrobe, on how
long they want to shoot for what kind of content
they want to create. So I do think Only Fans
has empowered performers to even just be more creative and
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bring their own sexual visions to life.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We did see some teasers with you and Blue Eyed
Kayla Jade. I don't know if you're allowed to say,
what's going on there? Are we going to see a
collab there?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
We just did an interview so far, so that was but.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
A realize as in like this time it was a
face to face one was it face to face podcast?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So I'm very excited for that to come out of.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Okay, so watch this space maybe for a club or
I would love to Okay, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right, well you had it hit first.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
What do you think in terms of when you say, like,
there's nothing now that you haven't done that you wouldn't
as in like in terms of things that you've tried,
you're like, I've kind of tried everything. When you feel
like that in your career, where do you go to
from there? Like what's next in terms of the things
that you want to be creating the type of content
that you find the most fulfilling, and also like what
is it that's like the next big project?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Oh, I'm always excited to shoot with new people and
kind of build chemistry with new performers. I guess the
one thing that I haven't done that I have spoken
about that I love to do. It's a very unrealistic dream,
but I would love to shoot a scene in space.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We were going to ask you, Yeah, we're so interested
in that. No talk to us about that. Where did
the space fantasy.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Come from, Katie Perry wasn't.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
No, No, I've had it from you.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
I've had this space as for a very long time.
The idea of having sex in zero gravity is just unbelievable, and.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They've been training for it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah. I did the zero gravity experience with zero G
which was absolutely amazing. And I don't know if you
saw my little reel with the water droplets, because I mean,
the money shot in space is just going to be
crazy because the COM's gonna like end up in little
round droplets that's going to be able to float around
and floating.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Around in space like man.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know you had pack man used to go and eat.
But then, so have you spoken to them logistically about
if it is possible, like Ken, sex in zero gravity,
now that you've experienced it, do you think that you
would be able to control it and have that experience?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
You would need to have some sort of harness because
you float away from each other basically, and if the
man thrusts into you, if it's a boys girl g yes, exactly,
So you'd have to have some kind of harness to
keep you together.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Can you do it in terms of when you say
you've done training and you've gone an experience like the
zero gravity that we have here, can you create a
sex scene in that like? Would that be logistically possible?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Logistically it would be tough because on those parabolic flights
you only really get thirty seconds of micro gravity at
a time, So you've got thirty you'd have thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
To get you pumped in.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That's a real quickie, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
It's a real quickie, and then you have like a
prestent a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Of like regular gravity again and then another thirty seconds
of microgravity.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So it would be tough to shoot a scene.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Also, a lot of these companies have contracts with NASA,
and NASA's not going to because it's the.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Same It doesn't want to look at how many clicks
I get. God damn it, NASA get on board.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So is it is it possible?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Then?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Do you think there is a way you're going to
be able to do it? I don't mean just like
physically do it, but is there a company that would
facilitate this?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Look, it's not impossible, but I kind of need a
billionaire to be interested.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
In creating, and he loves space.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
If we are going to populate Mars or any of
these space stations, we really need to have research into
sexuality in space, in microgravity, in different or even Martian gravity,
all these different environments, because reproduction is going to be
more complicated in these situations.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I love that now you can pitch this as like,
I'm just here for humanity, guys and help.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
No ulterior motive. I'm completely selfless. I just want to
help science.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Have you reached out to seriously? Like, I don't feel
like it's necessarily something that someone like Elon Musk would
poo pooh. You know, I feel like there's a big
part of him that might He's pretty crazy and he's
pretty forward. He also owns like half.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Space SpaceX isn't there? Don't doesn't he have a contract
with that? I have no idea how it does.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I can't say that I'm literate on the Elon Musk
spaces he reached out.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Sliding into his dams. He responds to a lot of
people on Twitter, Okay, watch this space angela.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
You mentioned something before, and I find this really fascinating
because we see it in fashion, we see it in
literally every other industry when things come back around in cycles.
And you talked about how your favorite is from, you know,
the bygone era of porn.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Do you find that.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Porn itself has like a cyclical sort of you know,
what was once in fashion comes back in fashion. Maybe
it's in terms of not just the type of porn,
but it could be in terms of like the look
or the style. Does it have that sort of repetitive
kind of cycle.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yes, And it's also influenced by mainstream culture as well.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
So for example, like if there's a popular TV show,
there's going to be a triple X parody of it.
Even now, like in the mainstream culture, we've got like
a nostalgic throwback to the early two thousands, and so
that was my perfect moment to bring to do my
love letter to my favorite era of pornography.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
And then of course we have.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Our own little niches that for a while there, it
was the Fox sesst stuff, the step the step sister
stuff that I feel like is waning that's not as
big of a trend, but for a while there that
was a huge trend.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Is it a trend because people are curious about it,
or is it a trend because people genuinely deeply have
those fantasies themselves.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Look, I can't I don't know for sure, but my
just opinion is that it's just about the taboo, Like
it's just another taboo to.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Tappen, Yeah, because I I mean, like, it's interesting to
me that that became something that was so fixated on
and it's like, surely there aren't that many people.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
In the world who actually want to fuck their stepsister.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Like are they I don't know, or their stepdad or
they're like that's because like some of that uhs obviously,
like everyone has kinks and if it lives in a
fantasy world, then like it's fine.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But that's when it kind of like tips into like, well,
is it a fantasy because it's a real thought or
is it a fantasy because it's a fantasy.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I think it's a fantasy because it's a fantasy. I
think if you look at a lot of the tropes
of porn, porn is just like it's naughty, you know.
It's like there's cheating fantasies, fantasies about having sex with
your boss. So you're secretary, or having sex with the
plumber while your husband is out.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
It's all these naughty a cold play.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, I think it's just like you know, we want
to have these little naughty fantasies, and so paorn just
figured out, oh there's another one that we can tap into,
and people liked it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I mean, we did want to speak to you about
AI and the way I affecting the porn industry. We
are seeing deep faked AI generated, fully synthetic actors and actresses.
How have you seen, as someone that's so deeply integrated
in the industry, how have you seen AI affect the industry?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Well, I think that pornography is very uniquely positioned to
take advantage of AI, especially performers that have already built
a brand like I myself have already had my entire
body scanned. I did that in twenty twenty one, and
I've been working with a team to have my body
rigged so that I can wear a motion capture suit
and make my digital double move or you can actually
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program it with a computer and have my body move.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So when you say you've had your body scanned, you
mean to create a realistic AI version?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yes, So that then I will have a digital double
that can work when I'm not working, because there's only
so much I can do as one person.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Is it realistic enough what you have created thus far
that people would not be able to tell the difference,
or is it pretty evident that one is the real
you and one is AIU.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
It's very close, but like it's not ready to launch
in my opinion, right, but it is.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
It's looking very close.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean, this is an interesting way in terms of
how it can be used for the positive because I
think a lot of the times we hear about ai
especially deep fakes, and we hear about the negative side
of it, how like people's images are being taken, and
I know that there are rules and regulations that are
coming out around it, But it is kind of chicken
or the egg in these situations. A lot when new
technology is developed, the legislation doesn't catch up fast enough.
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So often it's like not until deep fakes are already
being circulated that then government some policies go, oh, that
that's going to affect people negatively. But it's so interesting
to hear how you speak about it being a positive
thing potentially in the world of porn.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean there's only so many scenes.
I can only be on one set at one time.
My digital double could do any porn scene at any time.
Any fan could just program my body to do a
scene while I'm potentially just sitting at home.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Does that Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
But I also think like if you can give that
license to someone to have full complete control over your
digital body, like even just saying that, I could be
sitting at home and someone could program it to do
whatever they want to it.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Well, no, there's always limits even with like if you're
talking to chat GPT, they put limits on what kinds
of conversations you can have. So you can't just make
a digital double say or do absolutely anything you want.
You'd program it to be able.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
To have its boundaries exactly. And then if you are
doing that, would you be making more money less money
in terms of like per job. So obviously overall you're
able to earn more because you can be in a
hundred places at once, But if you were going to license,
if you were going to go into a physical scene,
or you're going to go and license your AI body,
what would you charge out more?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
So I own my scan, so I don't know. I
mean Obviously this is all sort of in the future.
We're not quite there yet.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But I don't think we're far off, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, I guess we'll see what happens. But in terms
of licensing, I'm not sure whether I would how I
would license my digital double at this point because I'm
very much I love to have control of my image,
so I'm going to be very careful.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
About how I use this digital double.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And also, like I would say, in terms of like
performers having their bodies scanned by companies that then own
their image.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, that's a little problematic.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yell, because then that company is going to own your image.
In the AI space, it's hard to answer the question
will I make more money this way or that way,
because we're not quite there yet.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Is it something that exists? So what are like the
parameters for in terms of porn hub at the moment?
So is it possible for there to be deep fakes
at the moment that are circulated online that the person
doesn't know exists, you.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
I can't really speak on deep fakes because I do
want to differentiate because deep fakes are not part of
the porn industry. Because deep fakes, just like I always
had an issue when people say revenge porn because that
kind of content isn't pornography, because pornography, as I define
it is consensual content made by adults for adults, and
revenge porn is something I don't know what we're going
(24:41):
to call it, but it's revenge sexual assault material.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I don't know what, but it's not pornography.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a something good point. Actually, yeah, it definitely should
have a different name.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, because it's not it's not something that's created by
the pornography industry. For you know, it's not consensual exactly
so and same with deep fakes.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That's not content.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So do you think that maybe the murky line is
is because it can all exist in the same place,
so it's possible for it to be uploaded if safe
for it, for example Pornhub, and I also don't know
enough about it, so I don't want to say anything
that may be technically incorrect. But on one hand, it
is a platform where you can find very consensual, highly
creative content that's been made from people who love their
(25:22):
jobs and love the industry. But you can also find
things on there that probably maybe shouldn't be living on
that platform as well.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Actually not anymore because Pornhub. Yeah, porn Hub changed their
policies I believe in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, and
so now you have to be a registered performer to
be able to upload content, right.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Right, so not amateur in the same way as what
I used to look like. That's really interesting because I mean,
obviously those changes had to come into effect to protect people,
but I didn't realize it was something that had been upheld.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You know, have you seen any AI generated images of
you already that you were not in control of.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Oh yeah, they're awful.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
No, I mean awful is and they don't not really
I mean me, but I'm like, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I just watch did that anyway?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, exactly. It's scary because even just I'm just thinking
of one this is nothing to do with sex, but
just how crazily real AI is.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
There was this model that's gone viral just at Wimbledon recently.
She was at all the events. She was like a
beautiful fashion model and she was watching the matches and
it was insane and she grew by like one hundred
and fifty thousand followers over Wimbledon, she had really famous
professional athletes from around the world message, you know, wanting
to date her, and then it came out that she's
(26:40):
just Ai. She doesn't exist, She's completely fague.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But it's also why it's one of the interesting things,
because I think people talk about this space of like
AI coming into porn, but a lot of porn, especially
the porn that you do, is all about human connections,
So it's like that's the one thing that can't be
replicated in the same way, I do think it raises
concerns and you hit the nail on the head when
it comes to who owns an image, and that's probably
the thing that hasn't been nailed down or drilled down
(27:05):
yet because I feel like a lot of people, maybe
not even realizing, could sign that right away for an
immediate offer.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
That feels really amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Not knowing what the long term sacrifice may be of
doing that or making that decision early on in a career,
especially when AI is still so embryonic in every industry.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
As someone that's so multifaceted in the industry that you
are a performer, you have only fans, but you also
produce your own content, like you have multiple funnels of income.
If you're happy to tell us, what do you think
is the most profitable for you as someone that has
their finger in so many.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Parts, It's easy.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's only fans, only fans, by far by, fear by
far Because you got into it quite late, didn't you. You
joined fans?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah, yes, well I had an only fans account in
twenty the end of twenty seventeen and started twenty eighteen,
so I had one quite early, but I wasn't really
utilizing it. I was uploading a photo every now and again,
not not really fully into it. But then when COVID
hit and I could no longer be on set and
everybody was at home and there was no other way
to really interact with fans, only fans blew up as
a platform, and that's when I really started to engage
(28:11):
in any fans.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
What do you enjoy doing more?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Even though only fans may be more of an income asset,
What is the type of content that you enjoy doing.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I love both.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I love both studio work and only fans. I mean
with only fans, I create all sorts of content for it,
So I create the same kind of content that I
would for studios, so very highly produced content. But then
I also produce more amateur POV and solo content, more.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Day to day, unfiltered, more realistic kind of content.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
How much of that is personalized because I know with
only fans it's obviously like a little bit more of
a personal accessibility, which obviously you have control over. You
allow people in as much as you want or you
are able to set those boundaries. How much of the
work that you do on there is that personalization aspect
quite a.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Lot actually, I mean it actually depends on my schedule,
depending on how much I'm shooting that week or that month.
So for example, like custom videos, I turn them on
and off depending on how much time I have.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
So I do offer custom videos.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
They are a little more expensive obviously because I can't
sell it yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Over and over again.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
So it's more profitable for me to do a solo
that I can sell to everyone than say a custom
solo that I sell to one person, which is why
I have to charge more. But I do quite a
lot of like quite personalized content, and even the content
that I do that I send in the DMS to everyone,
I still try and make it feel personalized, even if
I'm not saying a person's name. I try and make
(29:39):
it very intimate, as if I speak into the lens,
as if I'm speaking to my fans, so that you know,
it feels more intimate, feels special, it feels like I
made it just for them.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What are some of the more unusual requests you've had
on OnlyFans?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I get requests for everything every niche.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Obviously, because I have big natural boobs, I do get
a lot of big natural tits fetish custom requests. So
it might even just be like oiling up my boobs
or you know, putting nipple clamps on and just just
boob focused stuff. But then I've got my feet guys
who want to see my my my toes suck.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So that is such an interesting niche to me because
it absolutely exists. I mean, there's wiki feet page out there,
Laura's talked about it for I have a Wiki feet page.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I did not set it up myself.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Guys someone on the internet money from it, though people.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Are on their rating.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, I get nothing, I get nothing, But I also
feel like it's see if.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
You're giving away your toes right now, which is okay.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Every time I'm like featured on the podcast and like
I've got my shoes off. My husband always screenshots it
sends to me and he's like free content, like we've
got mortgages, Like do something with this.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Do you think that there is room on Only Fans
and like, because we hear about it, but it's almost
like the things of myths and legends. So tell us
what tell us how it really is. Do you think
you could make a lot of money on Only Fans
as someone that's anonymous, so you don't know who you
but you're posting feet asking for a friend.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No, I feel like this is like for people who
are not familiar with the platform, Like, let me say
I'm one of them. I'm not familiar with the platform,
but I feel like that there's a lot of like
almost get rich schemes on there.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Well, that's why when I ask, because that's what we're
led to believe. We're led down the garden path that
like anyone can go on there and make money and
make content.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
It's unlikely.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, you'd have to have the most beautiful or the
most unique feet in the entire world.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Most people that are making big money on OnlyFans are
showing their face. Yeah, they have a personality to go
behind like that goes along with the photos just feet picks.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, you might make a little bit of money. You're
gonna get rich off it.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Is there anything that you've been asked to do on
only fans that you have had to say no to?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Tons of things, the most disgusting things. You can think
of those things. To give us an example, like something
that pops to mind, I.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Mean, are you sure you want to get an Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
How we?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I mean I always kind it interesting we talk about
the successibility now in terms of only fans, it's been
on one hand, it's celebrated.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
On one hand, it's demonized.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I think that that's probably the porn industry in general
in terms of how people view it. I loved when
we spoke last time and you spoke about how positive
it has been as an experience for you and how
much you have enjoyed it, because your story is very
much in the contrary to the stories that you often
hear when it comes to the porn industry in the
dark side of it. What would be your advice for
(32:34):
someone who wants to get into doing only fans, who's
thought about it, who's you know, maybe even like started
or set up a page or whatever. How would you
say for someone who's young thinking about it to kind
of progress through this.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
The first thing I would say is that it is
a lot of work. Don't think that just because you're
gorgeous that you can take a few photos and you're
going to make a lot of money. You have to
build your social media presence, you have to market yourself,
you have to be on the platform constantly chatting with fans,
uploading content. There's so much that goes into a successful account.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
So if you think it's just going to be this.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Little side hustle you're going to put up some hot
picks and maybe some hot videos and make a ton
of money, that's just not how it's going to work. Look,
it can happen for some people if there's some scandal
surrounding them, but it's just so unlikely.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So if they do want to get into the industry,
whether it's only fans or studio porn, just know that
this is something that you should do because you're really
into the work. You're really excited about expressing and exploring
your sexuality on camera, and it's something that you'd want
to do. Even if you weren't making a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, because I feel like that there's probably people who
have kind of bought into the get rich quick scheme,
and there's probably a lot of content creators that live
on only fans who are doing that version. They're not
doing a lot of it, but they've put just an
online that like, well, okay, now there's explicit content of
you online.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Did you do it because you wanted to do it?
Or did you do it because you thought you were
going to make money off it?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And then you didn't make the money and now it's online,
So then you're left in this kind of gray area
of like, well, what do I do with this? Rather
than it being because this is an industry you absolutely
are driven by.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Well, when I started, there wasn't that much money in porn.
I didn't make a lot of money when I first started.
I did it because I really wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What would have been like a ballpark figure that you
would make at the beginning when you started for a
porn film, like for going and filming one of your
scenes or one of your movies.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Like a couple thousand bucks?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Because I think people think that maybe you'd be you'd
be making so much money, like twenty thirty forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
No. I did it because I loved it. It was
my passion. I wanted to do it, and I didn't
make money for many, many, many years, and I did
it just for the love of the game.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Did people find it hard to understand that in terms
of like or were your family and friends and stuff
pretty accepting in pretty like oh that's Angela because.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I would say that mix.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, I would say that if you're not making a
lot of money from it, but you are putting yourself
out there in a way that's like, you know, very
sexually explorative and also like has the voyeurism aspect where
anyone can go online and see it.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
People have opinions.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, it was definitely a mixed bag. There were people,
like you said, that were like, oh, well, that's Angela.
We always expected her to do that. But then people
were like, firstly, why would you do this whether.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
You're making money or not, because there was that there
still is this sort of idea that oh, you'd only
get into porn if you were traumatized or if you
had no any other options, and that just wasn't the case,
for me, it was something that I wanted to do.
But yeah, there are definitely people that will Why would
you do it if you're not making a ton of money?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
In terms of the creators that you work with? What
has been your experience? And I guess what I mean
is is like when you say people think, oh, you
have to have been traumatized or gone through some really
like fucked up family shit or something to want to
end up working in the porn industry. When you have
worked with other creators, what has been your assessment of
the porn industry?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
The same as every other industry that I've ever worked in,
Like I just like nobody looks at there's no studies
done on how many people have been traumatized that go
into like the legal profession.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, like become psychiatry, But like what do you.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Want to become a psychiatrist? Like what did you go
through that now you want to help others in that? No,
it's just it's the same as any other kind of workplace.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's so interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I mean, actually that is like there's lots of statstyle
that have come out around like people who work in
like psychology or therapists and just then have gotten into
the jobs because they've wanted to psychoanalyze, like what it
was their blueprint that their experience there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't want people to think we just scooted it
over that. Angela actually has such an interesting story about how,
I mean, how you got into the porn industry and
the why in the process, and we went into great
detail about that in our first episode eighteen months ago.
So guys, if you're interested, go and search that. We
talk so much about it and I loved it. Something
that I think a lot of people ask and want
(36:59):
to know curious about is how you manage your relationships
in real life. A lot of people don't understand that
you might be able to have a monogamous relationship with
somebody and do what you do. Where are you at
now in your relationship status? And I guess what have
you navigated in the past when you're trying to manage
a very successful porn career and a beautiful intimate private relationship.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
I'm dating a couple of people right now, Okay, nice
I think you'll find every kind of relationship status in porn,
Like there are married couples in porn that are a
monogamous aside from when they're at work. And then there
are people that are polyamorous in the industry, and people
that are completely open, and people that just don't even
want a partner, that just want to be single and work.
(37:42):
So I think that you can kind of build your
own relationship style in life, and I think in porn
you have to have partners that are willing.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
To be open to the fact that you are being
sexual with people at work.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Some people sort of dma kate work sex and home sex.
I don't so much because my aim in every porn
scene is to have genuine connection and chemistry with the
people that I'm working with. So I can't be like, oh,
don't worry, it means nothing at work, because I want
it to mean something at work. But I know other
people kind of have this thing where it's like, well,
(38:18):
there's the work sex and then there's the home sex,
and that's how they come.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And they're different.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
They're very different.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
So in terms of that, though, how do your partners
and assume when you say you're dading a couple of people,
is polyamory something that is in okay?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So have you experienced.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Where there is jealousy where they're like, Okay, well, if
you're at work and you're telling me this means something
to you, then what does that mean for what we share?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Or is it something now?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
And I guess because you are so open about it
and it's not like anyone comes into a relationship.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
With you where it's a surprise.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, but like, do you find that sometimes it's still
rears its head or is.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
It everyone's you know, you're human.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Some people are going to be jealous at certain points,
but you just try and be empathetic to the person
and try and figure out, like where is that jealousy
coming from, Like what's the fear behind it? And try
and address that fear. Is it that maybe they're not
feeling like they're getting enough attention from me and so
it hurts to see me giving someone else's attention on screen?
Or am I not giving them enough time? Do they
(39:14):
want more time with me? What is it that's actually
at the root of it? And so that's that's kind
of how I try and deal with it.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Do you date other people in the industry?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I try not to, but I am you are. I
try not to just because it makes things more complicated.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
It's been good for me to date people sort of
in the industry but not adjacent, right, because.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Then they understand the game, they understand what it's like on.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Set like a director or exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Then they get it, whereas people that aren't in the industry,
it is a lot more difficult for them to understand.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I can understand that it's or like, it's just more
of an education piece for them to kind of like
grapple with the cab. Well, what does your like I
go to work and I'm an accountant, what do you
you do during the day.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
What's a normal day of work?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, And I guess also when you are someone who's
not just got a nine to five job, when you
are working on OnlyFans and you talk about the level
of hours and commitment that that takes, it's like, how
do you separate your private life, your home life from
what is happening online when you kind of have to
always be online and be putting the hours in as well.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
How do you create those boundaries for yourself?
Speaker 5 (40:24):
I will admit I'm the worst person to ask because
I don't have a work life balance, but that yeah,
I'm just.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Actually okay with that because I love my work and.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
You're hustling for yourself. You got your own business exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
So.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And so when you say that you're dating a few people, now,
are you in an open RelA like, are you in
a relationship and dating or are you just seeing different
people freely?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
It's more of like it's not really fully labeled, but
sort of like an open relationship kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Okay, yeah, And any of the people that you date
now or have dated not.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
It's like what's their name and when.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
They But are they I guess shout out no, But
I guess it's like that game Doctor Get you know,
does he wear a hat? Does he wear glasses?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And I'm like, leave you.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Alone, no, because I think it's it. I think it's
a really interesting conversation, and I think a lot of
people are interested in how you manage it. Are any
of the people that you're dating simultaneously in the industry
and not in the industry? So, like anyone now on
your roster of lovers, situationships, partners, whatever they are, are they
not in the industry at the moment.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Most are in the industry. One is sort of not.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Angela even talk to me about ages about this. I
really do want to say, like, if you've come to
this episode but didn't listen to the first episode we
did with Angela, you absolutely have to because it was
all the nitty ready. It was everything from double penetration
to triple penetration, very triple of course, how could I
forget I got one?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
There's three holes, Like what Angela to double penetration?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
No, but we talked about everything and the nuance of that,
And I guess like from this perspective, if you came
into this episode, you'd probably be like, but why would
you not ask her those questions?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
So we have in the past, and we did the squirting,
we did the triple penetration, we did your education and
how you got into it. There are so many things
that we covered in that Do you really orgasm in sex?
Or is it fake? It's a fascinating, fascinating interview. But
don't just go and listen to it, go and watch
it on YouTube. Both of these are going to be
on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Absolutely, Angela's alway, isn't that the absolute delight to have you?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We will have you back anytime.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Next time, we'll have some more sort of questions for you.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Yeah, I want to have a sexy one. Okay, we
can do that. Thank you so much for having me.
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