December 4, 2025 • 47 mins
Today we’re sitting down with someone who went from aspiring acting and hospo shifts to viral content creator and comedy queen. Maddy MacRae is someone whose face and skits are likely familiar to you. She’s grown a following of 3 million people collectively across social media. Today we wanted to talk to Maddy about how she carved out her own path in acting, what some of the realities of content creation are like and the ever evolving goal posts of content that had her living in an airport for a week!
We chat:
- How Maddy got the career she has and the commercials that led her there
- What her first viral video wants
- The law of detachment and how it impacted Maddy’s life
- The one reality TV show Maddy would love to do
- Content fatigue and being in a period of burnout
- The contrast of having an amazing job but the loneliness and isolation that comes from it
- The current dating scene
- The post that Maddy really regrets
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany
and I'm Keisha, and today we have a very special
guest in studio. In person. I could reach out and
almost touch that, but I won't because I've had a
(00:21):
bit of gash relately, so that could be awkward. How
to put our guests off as much as possible for me?
Someone You, guys, if you don't know, you would have
seen her face. Mattie McCrae. Mattie mcray has over three
million followers across social media. She was an aspiring actress
and I did ask her if I could use the
term aspiring before I said it. But she has been
(00:44):
in home Away before, so we can say actress that
has turned into a viral content creator. And I have
followed along your dating videos for a very long time,
and I feel like I saw you at the very beginning.
I feel like you popped up on my feed many
many years ago when you weren't that big and I
was like that chick's fucking funny, and then all of
a sudden you blew up. But welcome to the podcast, Maddie.
(01:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Thanks for having me say like it's on brand because
I immediately think of what the stomach does videos and
all the skits that.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You I've done a gastro video. Actually, that's good. I'll
write that down.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Write that down. Credit, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, start every episode by asking our guests for their
most embarrassing story.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We call it an accidentally unfiltered Do you have one? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I have two that you can pick from. Okay, love
this one is like, well, because I figured that I
just want to like share something embarrassing, so we like
break the ice, right, So had a story and I
have like a sex slash piess.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Story cent both can I love a quef story? I queped?
I did dance with the stars this, yes you did,
and I spoke about on the podcast. But like my
poor dance partner was doing this move where my groin
was in his face and I accidentally queped in his face.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes, so this, Okay, let me share this story because
it's similar. It's not really a story, it's just kind
of a fact about me that I can't do pilates
or yoga because I will queef every time. I don't
know what it is, is it really loud. Yeah, is
it tight or is it loose? Because that air is
falling out of me.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know what, I don't know if we're allowed to
comment on that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, So I was just it was just a fact
about me, is that I can't do yoga apolates because
whenever I do like down dog, you know, three leg
a dog. Yeah, this mightbe happened to you when you
were dancing. So you're in down dog, you lift your
leg and then you go into like a warrior two
post and it's meant to be serene and send. Everyone's
having a nice time doing yoga and I will just
break the silence with an nice queen.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But it's to be expected right as women.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, I think, so I'm embarrassed. So I don't do
yoga a polarates.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I was about to ask.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You because a lot of like brand things, especially if
they're local, there are a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Of them, Like you know, there are health something or other.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They'll put a pilates or a yoga class in there
to go alongside their brand.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I never go. I never go. It's like I'm busy.
It's something you can train yourself to do, you know,
Like I think because when you think about it, quefing
is like, well, you're sucking the airing. So I think
when you're doing your three leggers, you've got to be
like bearing down and like push it out.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I feel like it would be one of those things.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The more effort you put into it, the more thought
you give it, the harder it will be to a voice.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, and then I'll just be more embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You just be manifestingef by it. Okay, So we'll just
never exercise again.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So when it comes to like influencer events, I avoid
boat parties because you can't leave, and pilarates.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Boat parties the same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
If they invite me to a boat party, Sorry, it's
a no. That was just like that Spider Man thing.
You know, all the Spider Man's are pointing to each other.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That was all of us. Yeah, partly because if anything
that you can't get out of, it's like I'm not
doing it. I like an Irish goodbye. Sometimes I've asked
it if there are water taxis that can take me,
and I think that's not the question to ask the brand.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Hypothetically, if I wanted to get off.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The Yeah, I mean it's a fun experience, but like
when you don't know anyone, when you don't know what
the vibe is, if you can't leave, I don't want
to be there.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so watch your sex one.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Oh yeah, so my pissed story one time. I peech
uring sex is so embarrassing. Many years ago, I met
up with a guy during COVID. We're not meant to,
but I did. And this was kind of like me
freshly single, you know, trying to be in my messy
girl single era, and he met.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Actually single at the start of COVID. Yeah, rough, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
We broke up in twenty twenty. It was right, yeah,
And so like I couldn't date. I couldn't, you know.
And I've been in relationships for like two back to
back four year relationships, so I'd been like locked in
for eight years. So I was like, I it's oh,
I got to get you know, I got to get
out there. I got to fox some people. So I
met up with this guy that i'd met on a
McDonald's commercial. I met him on a commercial, actually, and
why did.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You point at me like I met my people?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You're like no, Because we were talking about acting work
and I was like, hey, yeah, I got acting work
and I met a guy and I went back command yeah,
and I pissed in his band anyway, So he messages
me a pin to meet up with him, and I
I put the location in my maps and I drove
off to meet him. And it turned out to be
(05:05):
his van parked at a beach with like thea's back
of it like opened up to the ocean, which I
think he intended it to be romantic, but it's too public. No,
not even that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I just feel like that's when you're like seventeen eighteen,
Like I don't know, yeah, you don't really want to
be crocking up to some guy's van. I want him
to have a rental and a bed sheet exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
But you know, I was like I wasn't going to
judge him because it was COVID so maybe you know
living situations, cause he lives. I don't know, he was
living in his van. So we sat there for a
little bit and it was a bit awkward, and he
pulled out a guitar and sang at me, well, I
want to say, like an hour and a half, two hours.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Dude, I feel like that's the embarrassing thing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How does someone do that for an hour to two hours?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
By one hour in he's asking me for requests and
he's like pulling up the corps and I just.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Put his hat around for money.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Maybe he could have, but see I'm freshly single. I
was like scared to make the move. So I was
waiting for him to make the move and I'm sitting
there being like, put the fucking guitar down. Please, let's
get into the back of the event. Eventually we do,
but mind you were at a event. There's no bathroom.
We've been there for an hour and a half, two hours,
my god, having a bit.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You've been trying to hold the queef in.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, exactly, no down dog in the back of the
man please. But you know, eventually we start getting busy
in the back of his man and he grabs me
and you're just wait and I had to play it
off in him.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Did you say you squirted?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I was like, Wow, that guitar really work. Oh yeah,
that's baby.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Got the worst confirmation for something that he should not
have been doing.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He was like, I was like, this.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Is the best because I should serenade all my ladies
like this. I'm still single, living in his ben Have
you seen the Barbie movie that scene with Ken, That's it.
That's what happened to me. And then I pissed in
his vent.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
At the beach.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
His job was beach and I never saw him again.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So did that Macis commercial launch your career or yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Totally? Yeah, I'm such a busy booked actor.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well you are. I mean you are everywhere at the moment.
I feel like you're doing absolute wonders online. What was
life like before that? Like? Did you always want to
be an actor and entertainer? Who were you before you
sort of met the world?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The world? Yeah, and they met me and my poo dress,
because yeah, that's what I do, Like I said gastros
On Brand. No, I was trying to be an actor
like you said, aspiring actor was the correct term. I
went to drama school, I did all those things, tried
to be in commercials. I wasn't a Macus commercial. I
was an Amy lady once you.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Know the insurance Yeah, with the Yeah, I didn't sing
it you could a guy from the vand could he could?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah? So I did a couple of commercials before COVID,
but I was working in retail. But it didn't really happen.
I didn't really get representation. I was really for me
to try and get work. And it's actually why I
dyed my hair red, because I'm actually naturally blonde, and
then it's kind of become my thing, like, yeah, my
signature look right to be a redhead. But because I
(08:11):
thought I would walk into casting rooms and everyone would
just be blonde. I think Australian, I don't know, So
I dyed my hair red hoping that would help me
get more work, and I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It does make you stand out, though.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yes, it has become my best accessory and I love
it and I've kept it now, not for the acting sense,
but because I think it really suits me. But yeah,
the acting work never came. And then COVID happened. Unto Lockdown,
I had a relationship breakup, so I was alone a
lot at home, like we all were, and I was
bored and I was scrolling on TikTok, so I thought
I would make one just for fun. I didn't know
(08:44):
it could be a job. And then yeah, six months later,
I'd quit my retail job and I've been doing it
full time ever since, which is kind of crazy. And
then yeah, I have had a really big year where
all of this kind of acting adjacent jobs have come up,
which has been great.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, that's more likely for it to come up when
you have three million followers, as it is when you're
in a Mac's commercial. But do you remember what your
first skit was?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, well my first like super viral skit, Yeah, which
is my stomach videos. I still make them. It was fantastic. Yeah,
there was like playing a single slice of bread in
the stomach before a big night of drinking.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think that's what I remember.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, it had like twenty I think twenty.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, you know, you know, every for those point at
home only because I'm an aspiring actor as well, but
every like production company director, everyone says right like, hey,
you want to be an actor, go create it for yourself.
I love that you were like, I'll show them. I'll
be a slice of bread. You could make your dream role.
And You're like, I'm going to fucking be a slice bread.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah that's depth, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Character the thing that I love so much about your videos,
And I've actually wondered about this from the perspective of
someone who knows.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Slightly more about the editing world.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You play every character in all of your skits, And genuinely,
there have been times where I've looked at your videos
and I'm like, how does she do that? Does she
have a green screen? Like how does she make this
all work? And I was wondering whether you would divulge
the secrets the bts of actually how you do create
your content.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, like as in the multiple of me in one shot.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, like does it take you seven hours to film?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You think it would, but it actually does it. It
doesn't take that long. I use cap cut. I don't
even use a green screen.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I use cup cut. Yeah, I just have sponsored by.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There's a masking and a background removal tool in cap cut. Okay,
have you ever tried background and removal?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No? Well, if you ever did, like.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
A green screen style video where you wanted like a
photo behind you, there's a tool in cap cut where
you can just remove a background.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
That's all I do.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I just like set up a tripod and film two
versions of me side by side and just take it out. Yeah,
just remove the background of one of them, and then
there's two of me.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
We've been to the moon before, but here we are
like blown away. I mean did we go to the moon?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But if you're asking Kim katass Oh, I find that
really interesting. And so how do you actually think about
all of the skin that you do? You know, do
you kind of write them out for yourself or do
you just do it improv do they kind of happen
as you're going.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I do script it, yeah, just because I'd like to
have the correct reaction of the other characters. But all
of my ideas, I just write them down and I
do a lot of personification. So whenever there's a scenario
in my life or something that sparked an idea, I'm like,
how can I do that? I recently had an idea
about mercury and retrograde, so I'm like, how could I
play Mercury, who's like going into a box that's retrograde?
(11:28):
Like I'm just like trying to figure out how I
can personify it and make it funny and like show
the expressions of these inanimate objects like a slice of bread.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What was it like when you were transitioning from like
a regular job, a stable income, knowing that like at
the end of the week, you've done this many hours,
this is how much money you're going to get to
going out on your own, because I think a lot
of people don't. Well they do now, but at the time,
content creation seemed unfathomable that you could make a living offer,
you could get an income, but you still don't know
(11:56):
what you were going to get. I don't know how
it was going to go, and you don't know when
it was going to end. What was that like transition
period life for you? Did you find it easy?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It was scary. I did have to take a leap
of faith, but I did actually wait to quit my
job until I was making the same amount from socials.
It's just there's a shift in like inconsistent income. You
just have to be good with money, which I'm grateful
for my parents but teaching me how to save and
not splurge. So I did. I was it was fine
for me, but I had saved some annual leave with
(12:23):
my retail job, so I actually took all of my
annual leave to kind of do the job, see if
I loved it, see if I could survive. And I've
been very lucky that I've never had to like be
too concerned about the next payment, and I've tried to
have like good savings. You have to be savvy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I also think you have to be the type of
person who's comfortable with the lack of stability.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, you know, like and that's kind of a whether
you're a or a B.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think that when you work in the world that
we do, opportunities can come and they can be great,
but also it can get dry, and you know, it
kind of comes and goes in waves. And sometimes I
think if you were the type of person who likes
to have that salary that you know comes in every
week and you can rely on that amount of money
being put into your bank account, it can be really
(13:07):
terrifying and you probably would be too stressed to actually
create good content. But I know that that was a
massive consideration for you, going from working like a full
salary job to actually taking a bit of this leap of.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Oh I didn't, Yeah, I did it for far too long.
I was an emergency radiographer, so I was working. Yeah,
I was working in a hospital when I started this podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I think I remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, Yeah, probably would have heard I saved lives and stuff.
I remember I did. I stayed far too long in
that hospital because I was petrified of not having money
or not knowing if it was going to come or
being taken away because I lived here in Sydney on
my own. I didn't have family here. If I couldn't
pay my rent, yeah, that's on me. No one was
(13:51):
going to sweep Yeah I was working with a serenade guy,
but no one was going to sweep in. And I
think I probably stayed at that hospital two years too long.
And I was like, you know what, I physically you
have to you have to sometimes just make the hard
decisions and jump straight in.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And look, you can't live your life this way. But
I think that sometimes when you leave space, the work
comes to you. There's like, you know, I love the
law of detachment, all of that stuff which I feel
like is happening to me in my acting world. But
I think that the moment that you take that leap
of faith and allow space for work to come to
you in a creative sense, it does come to you.
There's a book about it, Manifesting the Secret.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
What's the law of detachment? I want to hear.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
This law of detachment is when you stop wanting something
so hard it comes to you. Okay, you know that
saying when you're single, you would have got this a
lot BEFO when you were single is like the moment
you stop looking. But it was so true, and it's like, well,
I'm I'm lonely, so I'm looking. Even with my eyes closed,
I'm looking. But they always say that, like the moment
(14:50):
you stop looking, it follows you. So same in my
career senses as well. I was really for the last
two probably for the first two years of me doing
full time, I was still really trying to do acting,
and I was saying no to a lot of opportunities
because I wanted to be taken seriously as an actor.
I was always told in drama school that you shouldn't
do reality TV if you want to be an actor,
(15:12):
and I said no to a lot of opportunities for
that For that reason.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's also changed now. It used to be like.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That, I believe you and I agree with you. Yes,
I believe me. I believe you, So I mean I
agree with you. So I said no to a lot,
And then.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
What did you say no to? What reality options?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I was asked to go on The Amazing Race, and
then I did have I did have a dating show
reach out to me, which I said no to.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'd love to see you on those I would love to.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I would love to do The Bachelorette if it came back,
but it's it's gone now right, I don't have to whisper.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It, put it out there. I want to be the Bachelor.
I think it'll come back.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I wanted to. I would love to go on that show.
I think it would be really funk. But that I
was with an acting agent, and then I decided, you
know what, I actually hate this. I hate auditioning. I
hated setting up my camera to film a self tame.
I was like, I'm actually not having fun anymore with
the rejection. So I left my acting agent and I went,
you know what, I'm just gonna lean into socials and
just say yes to everything. And then that was late
(16:11):
last year, and then this year, like I've had so
many acting opportunities come to me. Because this is law
of detachment. The moment you stop like knocking at the door,
the door opens, which.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Interesting, Yeah, it's I don't want to say, oh maybe
it is. Maybe you can liken it to dating. You know,
when you women, particularly meet a guy and they're not
into you, you want them more. It's like it's when
there's that no Fox given attitude, you're playing hard to
get with your career. But I also think yeah, but
I also think it's like because you're focusing on things
that then make you happy and you're putting really good
(16:42):
positive energy into what you're doing, and then the rest
of the world notices. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And I think also like you care less on how
it how it comes to you, Like maybe I was
hoping for, you know, a three year part on Home
and Away, and that's all I wanted, right, it's not.
But let's say, but then once you like kind of
let go of that one specific dream, these other things
come to you that are slightly different, and you're like, oh,
(17:07):
that fulfills me in a way that I never thought
it could.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So funny you say that, because I feel like that's
where I'm at now, and I don't talk about it
a lot on here, but I'm auditioning all the time.
I always have. You know, we've done some tapes together. Okay,
I like reading the key she reads for me, because
I you know, that's what I wanted to do. I
went to the acting schools all in my twenties. But
I think we have the same oh you know my agent, Yeah,
we don't have the same agent, but you know, my
agent and I had the same thing the other day.
(17:31):
I used to be like, I will audition for anything,
get it to me. And then the other day she
had an inn somewhere with something and she messaged it
to me and she was like, you know, I know
the people there and redo this reading. And I looked
at it and I was like, I don't want it. Yeah,
I don't want it. I don't want it enough anymore
just to say yes to everything because and she's like,
what you were so keen and I said, yeah, but
(17:52):
I don't the role, the person, the messaging, the script.
I was like, I'm gonna say no. And I feel
like maybe I'm just at the beginning of what you say.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Good.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah. Yeah, I've just been like fuck it. And then
I just like I care less, which means like if
the opportunities don't come to me, I'm like, that's okay.
I'm going to survive, Like I love my job now.
It fulfills me creatively. And then when they do come
to me, which a couple of them have this.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Year, Yay, that's really exciting. So you got to see
stuff coming acting this year?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, So I did. I recorded an audiobooks earlier this year,
so that's already come out with Ryan Core and I
had such a crush on him when I was also.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
The ad you did about erotica, like audiobooks are so good,
so funny.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So I've been.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Working with Audible a lot and doing like audiobooks, and
I have a couple more kind of coming out that
I've just recently recorded with them. So voice acting is
and I never really thought that I'd be voice acting
and here we are on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Can I say something very controversial? I am such an
audiobook girl. You know the Court of Thorns and Bruises
that everyone became obsessed with. I tried to do that
in audiobook.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Did you do graphic audiobook? Though?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I don't know. I just listened on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I have sound effects saying a lot of brands and
now that this is it had sound effects of the
animals dye stuff, and I was like absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And then when they have sex scenes, you got all
the kissing sounds and the moaning.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I did not even get that fire. I was just
I was out on a walk. Yeah, I was like,
I it's.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Not for me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
No, that needs to be a visual. That kind of
stuff needs to be visual. That's a graphic audio book.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
You can get it where they just read the words
I neaged to dive DeFi you did pay extra?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Do you get content fatigue having to constantly come up
with ideas? And do you feel on that? I guess
do you feel the pressure to be like, oh, everyone
expects me to be producing this really good, funny stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yep all the time. I'm currently in a period of
burnout that I'm trying to just come out of. I
feel like I'm on a hamster wheel. Yeah, because i
feel like I love my job. It's amazing. I can't
get promoted.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
This is it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You know, what I'm doing is my job and it's
fulfilling me now. But I'm like, is this gonna fulfill
me forever?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Or will it last? For it? Will it last forever?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I also have like these unrelenting standards for myself where
I'm like, if it doesn't hit a certain number, like
the numbers is really hard because I need to stop
looking at them. But I mean it's in views, use, likes, engagement, shares, everything.
It's just kind of like if I don't hit that,
that I'm like, well it's over, and then I'm like, Okay,
well what's next my next viral hit? And I feel
like I can't take a break because I'm like, if
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I stop posting consistently, I'm going to lose it, and
I need to let go of that. But I definitely
feel like I'm on this content hamster wheel, and I
do have plenty of ideas, but my motivation and my
love for it at the moment is low.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I feel like we're all slaves to the algorithm, and
it's especially hard because they change the algorithm, they don't
tell you how. You're always trying to figure out what
ways you can try and make it work to your
advantage and what ways you know worked last time, and
if you do that again, sometimes it just doesn't work
for reasons that you literally can't figure out. How long
do those periods of content burnout kind of last for you?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean, I actually saw you post some of this.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I think you were recently on a trip to Paris,
and it was very lux and very nice, and then
you had some content come out in your stories a
couple of days later, just kind of it was a
really nice refreshing thing to kind of see where it was.
You know, I know that my life looks a certain way,
but just so you know, there's also this other side
to it, and it can be quite I don't want
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to say debilitating, it can be quite flattening though.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, well you're on all the time. And then
I Yeah, So this trip that you're talking about, I
went to Paris for a couple of brand trips and
I was there for three weeks, and I did share
the highlights. Obviously, I'm there with a brand and I
want to share the fun things that I was up to.
But I was actually struggling a lot mentally, and I
was like crying almost every day. So I shared like
a photo of me after the event, Like I shared
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like a side by side, which is the one you saw,
which was me at the event in this glitzy, beautiful
dress on a media while having the greatest time ever.
And then I shared the photo of me back in
the hotel like bawling because I'm just so overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
What is making you feel like that? Can you pinpoint it?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I did figure it out on this trip because I
went alone for three weeks, because you don't often get
to take a plus one with you, and I had
some time in between two of the jobs I was doing.
I had nine days by myself, and I just felt
really lonely. And I'm realizing that this job is really isolating,
especially me. I play everyone right, I don't need to
leave my.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
House, cap cut, I got cap cut. I can play
everyone right. I didn't play the bread, you play the boys.
I I don't care every yeah, the gastro play the ball.
And so I'm finding it really isolating.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And then I'm getting these beautiful, wonderful, amazing opportunities to travel,
and then they're just like, well, you do everything alone,
so you can go alone. And I just was like,
I was just really lonely. And you know, I went
to a breakup again earlier this year, and I was
just like, I'm sick of doing this by myself. And
so since I've gotten back, I've had to really invest
in the time that i'm not making content, seeing friends,
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seeing people that are important to me, because it's, yeah,
I'm on this content hamster wheel, and I'm just, yeah,
I'm feeling really lonely.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And sometimes the moments that actually highlight the fact I
don't want to say the fact that you're alone, but
it's the I used to feel same thing. You're in Paris,
you're in Europe, and you're like, cool, this would be
lovely to experience with someone and create a memory with someone.
And it doesn't mean you're not grateful, No, it's you're
obviously a very independent person. You don't need it. But
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that doesn't mean that you're exempt from having those feelings, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think you're also Sometimes until you're actually in the
isolated environment, you don't realize how much of a sense
of community you get from your day to day experiences,
like just going into a workplace and having other people there.
You have those five minute conversations, You have people that
you check in with, like when you start working for yourself.
And I went through a period of this too, because
I technically still do work for myself and now I
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get to work with some of my best friends.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And if we have periods where we'll have two.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Weeks away from the studio, sometimes it will be three
days before I've seen another person, Like it can be
really a strange feeling when you don't have that kind
of non forced contact with people as well, And I
think that it's particularly hard when you work in a
creative space, and you're expected to keep on having these
ideas and different things come to your head, and you're like,
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I have nothing interesting, nothing as interesting as it happened.
I have nothing to kind of bounce off of.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There's no muses going on.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You know, what do I draw from what's relatable about
my life? When I just totally my house?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
How have you? How have you found dating since your
profile has grown so much? If you found it, I
mean you're exposed to more people, so more people know
who you are, have accessibility to you in a way.
But I also wonder if it's made it a bit
more isolating because people think that all of a sudden,
you're so big that maybe you're unattainable. Yeah, did you
feel this as well?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Did you find Martins?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
That's pretty desperate.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Thing I used to worry about with Brier is that
a certain type of person might actually be attracted to
you because they think that they can get something from
you as well as in they would use you to
leverage their own part.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I actually I never felt that. I actually felt the opposite.
I felt like the less people wanted to date me. Yeah,
my profile grew, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Became unapproachable, unattainable because.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well they didn't realize that. All they would have had
to have done is looked twice at me, and I
would have been like they didn't they you know, because
I was I really I didn't care who somebody was.
I just wanted to meet somebody that I felt was
a match and felt right and have that connection. Because
I was on my own for ten years, I was
quite lonely. Yeah, but the number of people that would
say the opposite, They're like, oh, I just wouldn't have
messaged you, because.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, I feel like that does happen a little bit. Yeah,
I haven't found it like that difficult. But I mean recently,
I've had a guy send me a screenshot of a message.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
This is so wed I dated.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I went on a date with a guy two weeks ago,
and the message he sent me to end things with me,
by the way, a little rejection message that didn't send.
It didn't send to me, And I was like, can
you send me the screenshot of the message, And he
sent me the screenshot and he had saved me in
his phone as insta famous that was.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
My oh no, meet your name, And I.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Mean, look, he was rejecting me anyway, So I was like, well, whatever,
no loss. But I was like, oh oh.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Oh that's a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
It is.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But also I was like, really, even the fact she
thought it was okay to then screenshot, not even change
your name before his screenshot, he's crazy. Is his job?
He's a therapist. Shut, that's fuck. This is like a
what's that? Nobody wants this? Yeah, so inappropriate boundaries cross.
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Hang on, wasn't your therapist? No? No, no no.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He came back a week later and asked me to
take me out for dinner, and I was like bye,
so hang on, he dumped you, yes, didn't go you
by your name screenshot into famous.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Then came back.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Had you slept with him? No?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Okay, no, we'd had one date. It was you know,
it doesn't matter. Yeah, but I have found it like hard,
I guess because I'll either have someone who doesn't have
I dated a guy earlier this year who didn't have
social media, but he which I was mind it is
a green flag, but then he actually had no interest
in what I did. Yeah, okay, okay, this is my
whole life. I don't need you to be online but
(27:03):
I was like, do you want one day? I was like,
do you want to watch the videos that I made today?
And I was like, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You don't want it to be someone's whole life, but
they need to be interested and they need to understand
you should be obsessed with me that you want to
watch what I made. I'm funny, right, MA? Can I
ask there was some content that you made?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It have to be probably a year ago now, maybe
even longer. I think it was when you were over
in Rome in Paris and there was so much great
content coming out about the Italian guy.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
What he messaged me this morning?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, please please tell anyone who missed the story how
I unfolded.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Can you please share that story?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So last year I did a dating vlog series on
my TikTok called Dating twenty twenty four. The plot which
was me just saying yes to dates and I would
document me getting ready and then I would do like
a little debrief after and it was like my first
time actually sharing more about my life online rather than
just a skit. I went to Rome with Netflix for
the Emily in Paris Part two, the most recent season
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premiere nice and I got asked out on the streets
of Rome by this guy. And my initial response was
to say, no, I don't know, you know, I want
to date someone, but somebody asking me out in public.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I was like, that's Italians for you, though they're very forward. Yeah,
and it was.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He asked me out and I went out for coffee
with him, and I did end up going on two
dates with him, and it was like the most romantic
experience of my life. We weren't write for each other,
which I do still get messages from people being like,
go about Italy. We weren't the right fit. He was
a lot younger than me, but he was very, very
romantic and I think it's the European Italian in him.
(28:41):
And he would like deliver flowers to my hotel and
it was just, yeah, it was really cute. He left
me a note, So.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Why wasn't he right for you?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You know how, I hope he doesn't listen to this.
You know how you were just saying about the people
that want to maybe benefit off the fame.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
He was a singer and he was like keen to
interesting collab. Yeah, and he really he saw all the content.
He really loved it, and he loved it a little
bit too much, okay, And I was like, I feel
like you'd just be with me for the cloud.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I feel like also Netflix would have just they couldn't
have asked for better content.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Literally was the story of that season, and a lot
of people accuse me of lying, but I was like, no,
it was real.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I'm like his hashtag at right. I mean it was
better to promote the show.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It did a good job. It was like my Lizzie
Maguire moment. And he like wrote me a note at
the end. It was very sweet because his English wasn't great,
but he said that I was sparkling like Coca Cola,
and I love so.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Okay, what about like a rose That's a potential new
brand partnership there, I'm sparkling like Coca cola.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So his message you this morning? Do you want to
share that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I mean all it is is that he's seen a
billboard and he's like, I thought this was you. He's like, hey,
hope you're well I thought this was you. Oh that's nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I could go either way depending on what the billboard was. This, yeah,
is it like some like laxatives?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
This is the image she saw. He thinks that I'm
the girl in the pink.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I see it. Ah, it's a redhead. I think it's
only the hair. I can I get it. But I
think he's clutching. I think he wants to contact.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
That goes back to the whole signature look like, oh yeah,
okay it yeah. I think he's making excuses to talk
Maddie about this profile kind of situation. You recently bought
your first apartment and I remember you sharing a video
kind of showing everybody you know, saying like, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I'm excited to do this painting and to do this
and that. And I think it was a day or
two later I saw some content from you that I
really felt very very sorry for you, and I was like,
that must be an experience that was so scary for
someone to go through as a woman who was living
by herself.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Essentially.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
People had said that you'd shared this video and that
there were features of the apartment that they could identify,
and some people like used it to find out where
you live.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, how did you feel at that time?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And I guess like, did you have regret about sharing
this milestone?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Absolutely? Yeah, I shared a house tour. Yeah, I was
very excited, and I shared it at nighttime. I normally
post at night and then go to bed and just
let it do its thing. And I woke up the
next morning with I think I had like half a
million views and just everyone in the comment saying, delete this,
delete this video. I found your address.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's also so much worse when you've been asleep for
like ten hours. Yeah what damn, We've just been done
in that time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Mostly I feel like it was just women. My audience
is ninety percent women, so I think it was mostly
just people being like, hey, galie to so you know,
I found your address someone else could, how well. Look,
I felt really embarrassed because my apartment has some pretty
unique features. It has like these high ceilings with beams.
It has like these French windows, so it's not like
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your stocks. It's beautiful. I love it so much, and
I was so excited to share it.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
But you shouldn't be embarrassed, because the reason you don't
think about things like that is because you would have
the brain of someone who would do it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
No, And so yeah, I think it was like pretty,
and because it was an empty apartment, there was no
furniture in it. You could take a screenshot and you
could just Google reverse image search and find the address.
And then I'm still actually struggling with having the listing
taken down. They just want to take it down. I
don't know why. So I'm still actually trying to get
the listing.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
You actually can't. I've been trying to do the same thing.
They just don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They don't care enough.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Daily Mail's published britt and Laura's address.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Are you sitting?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah? They publish it, what yep?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And I think I did for Laura, she's got children.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's disgusting the actual invasion of privacy, especially for women,
especially like you guys who live alone alone. It makes
me so angry that they don't think it's a real
thing that women should be scared about.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I haven't spoken about this yet, but fuck it, here's
the time. But I bought a house with my husband.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I actually thought about this when you posted. Yeah, continue,
but I thought of me when.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You it's a very unique house that you beautiful. You
can tell the same thing. The second is a picture
of it. You know where it is. It was very
easy to find. I never was going to share that
I was going to move into that house. And everyone
knows I live alone, right because my husband lived in
another country. Everyone knows that I've never released where I live,
And so I bought that and I had that for
a couple of months, didn't say a word about it,
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didn't tell anyone, didn't post it, never was going to.
And then I started getting messages because a lot of
people are asking me, why aren't you living there? I
started getting messages from randoms saying, just letting you know
your real estates calling around, telling people your full name,
your full address, what you bought it for, just cold calling.
These are people, And it was real because I would say,
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can you tell me, like I tested them, can you
tell me the real estate that did it? And can
you tell me my exact address or are they just
giving a suburb? And she's like, no, your exact street number,
house number, everything, this is the phone number they called from. Like,
oh my yes, so they would just someone in Italy
messaged me saying, hey, this is weird, but your real
(33:57):
estate's calling people and giving them your address. And so
even though it was they were doing it, I was like,
I can't move into my house now I've got I
get death threats all the time. I have psychostalkers so scary,
and they still wouldn't take it down, still want to
take listen down, tried to get aggressive and gas light me,
and I was like, you motherfuckers have just.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Ruined this for me, So you're not going to live
there now?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Also, no, no, no, I'm not going to move there now,
and so I share. That's when I started to share
the house because I was like, well, I've got to
rent it out. I've got to rent it now. I
was like, I've got to make some money because I've
just bought it and now I can't move into it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I was angry. Yeah, they probably just thought it was
like a big flex that they helped you buy it, right,
because that's advertising them as a real estate agent.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, but I'm like, do you know what that does?
Is the juice really worth a squeeze to you? That
you would put safety at risk?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That's why I don't want you to feel embarrassed for it,
because even if you hadn't have done a video, even
like I could have, people can still find those things out.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's not really you to me.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I just felt silly because I'd never shared anything
like that, and I was like, I could have avoided
that if I just hadn't, because I don't normally share
that much about my life. And so then the moment
that I do that happens and I was like, oh,
so it's just really embarrassed. And then I'm like, fuck,
I have to renovate the whole place so that people
can't identify it. I have to film my videos in
a very narrow lens that people can't identify features of it,
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like I.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Could just put a background up me.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, you've got to get that green screen out. Apparently,
maybe I'm going to start green screening a different house.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Maybe it's hard that you have to do. You feel
unsafe there, you feel okay, you feel like you've got
it down in time, and.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think it's fine. I think most of the people
were just women trying to look out for me, which
I love. Nothing's happened, and I've been there six months now,
so I don't feel unsafe there at all, and I've
lived alone for like three four years now, so I've
been fine. I feel like I'm irrelevant enough that people
wouldn't want to find me because my comedy stuff is
(35:46):
just like yeah, haha, lololl follow.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Like, but you just need that one, right, weirdo?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, but just scar you.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
But I'm like, people don't realize it's just that.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Why No, it just takes one person. Yeah, it is scary.
And I know that it's not my forever home. It's
just my you know, it's my first apartment now, So
if it ever became an issue, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Do you feel like the bar has been raised constantly
with what you've got to do in this attention economy?
And I mean that by like you spending a week
at an airport, you're like constantly trying You're constantly trying
to raise the bar. Do you feel that pressure? And
how did you end up in an airport from it?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That was a weird one, wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That I was approached by Changi Airport to do that,
so it wasn't a I feel like, yes, there is
pressure in the attention economy to always be coming up
with new ideas, new ways to go viral, So I
definitely feel that pressure. Changy had approached me to live
there for a week as a brand partnership, which was
kind of the craziest job ever and really cool.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Have you been to chinga airport?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Been?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I feel like I lived there with you. Yes, it was,
I feel like I have been. It was a very
intense job.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I know I was going live a lot and they
were pushing it out a lot because I think they
were really trying to push it. But it was kind
of like this concept about the terminal if you've seen
the movie with Tom Hanks, which I do love the film,
And they just wanted me live there and kind of
sharing my experience, which I didn't feel like I was
really living in an airport because there's a hotel there,
there were like rooftop polls and bars and restaurants, resorts
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is Singapore. Ian's actually traveled to Changy just to go there.
Like the percentage of travelers to non travelers is actually
really weird. You think that everyone's traveling someone know, they
just go there.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It's like a mall.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's like a cool place to have. Yeah, you just
go to the airport.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Do it feel weird because as soon as you enter
an airport, I feel like all the rules go Yeah
by the wayside, you can do whatever you want, yea
wearing whatever they.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Want, totally can be drinking.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
You can be eating dinner food at breakfast and no
one No one's there to judge.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
They're spoken rule that we're not. Is that how you
felt for a whole week?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, kind of it did. But I also I was
working a lot, like I was making a lot of content,
So I did really feel like I was there for
a job and like promoting the content, which you've all
seen because.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It was everywhere, everywhere, it was everywhere.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, but it was fun.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I liked it. What do you think people would be
surprise to know about you? That's a hard question, isn't it.
Content creators share a lot, you know. I think about
how much we share. I would be hard pressed to
come up.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
With something that I haven't shared the Well, yeah, i
think I've shared already a little bit. Just that I'm
lonely at the moment. I'm just going through a real
tough time doing this job. It's very isolating. I would
classify myself as an introvert, though I think that's surprising
you think online that i'd be extraverted. I do recharge
being alone, but now I've just had too much of it.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I think a lot of people are like that. A
lot of people, actors performers. People that come across to
the naked eye as extroverts are introverts. Those people that
need to then go home and like recharge on their own. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I mean it was interesting that you said when you
saw the post about the burnout, I had so many
creators reach out to me. I feel like we all
feel like we have to pretend that everything's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
It's because you're so lucky to do the job that
you do, so you're don't grateful. You can't feel like
you're ever going through something hard because there's always someone
going through something worse, which is true, yes, but that
doesn't take away from the feeling that you have.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Do you know what I also think is a problem
is that we don't I'm comparing this to a more
typical like I have a lot of friends who work
in marketing.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
For example, they will work.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
For a really long time on a big brief or
a concept or some type of marketing plan. They will
deliver the plan, and then they will have like the
post campaign reports talking about how it all when, what
they could do differently next time.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
That kind of thing. We don't have the post. We
only have the lead up.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
We have the stress and the anxiety of making something
that is going to be you know, to these standards
that it will go viral and we'll get all this
attention and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
And then as soon as you post it, what's next.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
What's happening next, what's the next one that you're doing,
what's the next thing that you're creating?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Like, who are you working with next?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Like I don't think we actually get the wine down
time because and again it kind of goes back to
this whole no salary.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
We've got to do the next.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Thing because otherwise we don't have money coming through it
or so it can be really really stressful.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah it has been, but I yeah, I'm trying to
navigate that still. But I agree with you. We don't
celebrate our wins enough. Like once once it's done and
you're like, okay, what's next, what's bigger?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
So how are you trying to meet your person? Are
you online? Dating? You slide into the DMS? You because
we've got a Facebook group that they match people with
love help me help it's rough out here. I don't
know are you online?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I am?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I mean like bumble and tin.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, I'm one of the dating apps I've been trying
to get on Rayer, but they won't let me in.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Had a husband there.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, okay, I have twelve referrals and they still won't
let me in.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
That doesn't like Sam.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
But I don't know they don't want me.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Maybe because I got married on there, I've got more pool.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I should send him the screenshot saying insta famous, Oh yeah,
let me in.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know what they've done. The problem is there's too
many people in there. I think that's what they've done.
They really opened it up because they got greedy.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Oh yeah, but don't give up. Yeah I am. I'm trying.
It's just I find it really interesting. I've been chatting
to a guy this week and I was talking to
my I saw my auntie yesterday and it's been six
days of us chatting and we haven't met up yet.
And I was like, I actually think it's been too long,
and she's like no, and I was like, yeah, I
actually think. And you know, talking about attention economy, I
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feel like our attention spans are so short that if
you don't meet immediately, we've lost interest. And now I
feel like Laura of detachment. I have to pretend I
don't care for me.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I think it's between a rock and a hard place
with this, because as women, you want to know someone
well enough that you feel comfortable and you feel safe.
But if you leave it too long, I feel as
though the pressure gets a bit too high. Of like, well,
now we feel like we actually know each other quite well,
so it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
End up being something good.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yes, we've spent all of this sun cost fallasy, We've
spent all of this time getting to know each other
before we've actually met in person.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
And sometimes you just meet people in person and the
ViBe's so different. Yeah, I don't know if it's pheromones,
it's it's not there. Yeah. You also just don't waste
You get to the point where you're so exhausted by it,
you're like, I don't want to waste two weeks of
my time talking with someone. Then when I meet you,
you're not it exactly. I reckon, three days is the sweet, right,
and just get straight to it. Coffee coffee, that's it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I've suggested it twice now and he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
When fucking I know, like, you're better than that.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, but I'm desperate now, so I'm like, come on,
no one else You've suggested coffee Toom twice, he's not it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I blocking delet. You can revisit it a later day.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
It's rough. It's rough. I feel like dating culture is.
It's really tough because like you just have another option.
Once you've swiped right on someone, there's someone else there,
you know.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, And that goes back to exactly the attention economy.
We do not like we find it so hard to
do anything hard, like anything that takes effort or commitment.
We don't want it because there's something so much easier
down the track. What would you advise would you give
to somebody that wants to get into content creation? It
is now the dream job now that young people like crazy, well,
young people know that, like wow, I can make a
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living from being exactly who I want to be online
is amazing. It is a tough industry, for sure. What
advice would you give?
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Just post the video, Just post it, don't ever think
of it, don't ever think it. Like you said, and
I know that we were saying that this was maybe
a negative thing that once you've posted it, you move on,
But it's true when it comes to content creation, don't
ever think it. Make the video, post it because as
soon as it's starting, even if it flops, just make
another one.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Did you struggle?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Though? And I've spoken to Ash, who is two doting
Dad's Matt's co hosts. You know that our pods obviously
have a lot of overlap. I spoke to him about
this a couple of years ago because he was just
like your regular guy with all of his friends on
Instagram and he worked a regular job. And then I
was like, what was it like for you posting the
first videos? Because it can be strange for the people
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that you actually know, like intimately, for them to be like,
what is this person now trying to.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Feel it is?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
And you've got you kind of got to get over
that hurt or then I mean, look, he's laughing now
like it's his whole career, it's your whole career.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
But only cringe because those people are doing what you
wish you could do when you don't do.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
There's also like a shift I feel of like when
they're trying to be an influencer to when they are
an influencer or a content creator however you want to
say it. And I also think it's quite funny. I
think about people on the Instagram stories when they're talking
to an audience. Do you know what, there's like a shift.
I had no followers at one point, and then all
of a sudden, I talk to my stories like they're
an audience. And I was like, when did that shift happen?
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When did I go from like a person with no
followers to all of a sudden talk.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Like, hey guys, hey guys, this is what I'm doing
to you.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, there's like a shift. Maybe you've been sliding and
asking me about Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Many questions about my outfit. It's from here, here and here.
You know, there's definitely a shift when I don't know
when that happens for people, but there's definitely like a
cringe factor that you have to avoid that people are
going to judge you.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
You have to get over it. You just have to
post the videos.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I still have, Well, not anymore, I guess because I
it's my full time job and I've been doing it
for a while. But I had people being like, so,
how are your little videos going How are your little
videos going on?
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Like if you saw my little bank account, you know
they're doing well.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
If you saw my pay trouble, did you see my
house tour that I had to take down.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
You know how I did that.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah, but they definitely I had people being like, oh
I saw your video you know when I still worked
in retail. Oh it was really cute. And you know,
I mean I don't hear from them anymore, but you know,
there's definitely a cringe factor that you have to get past.
I still have people who I my content creator friends.
I have one who only posts on TikTok because she
doesn't want to post on Instagram because their friends are there.
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And I was like, well, if they're not going to
support you, they're not your friends.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Firstly, that's wild. Yeah, she has like quite a large.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Following on TikTok as I just post it.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's different. It's different. Is I remember when I I
was in the hospital and I started a podcast. I
didn't want anyone to know. I remember the day. I
can remember the moment. I can still see every the
exact spot that I was when someone goes, did I
see that you had a podcast? And I went, what, No,
to be ridiculous that Schmidt Mey Cockley, that's a circumcisions.
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But I remember being mortified and then I thought, why
am I embarrassed for trying to do something.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Oh? I do because there was a time. Because if
it doesn't work and you failed, that's when you feel
like how embarrassing. Everyone knows I tried and fail. But
I just think people are going to judge you no
matter what you do. People are gonna judge if you
do it, and they're going to judge you if you
don't do it, So you may as well be doing it.
You may as well be doing what you want.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
And who's laughing out?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah exactly what, Maddie. Thank you so much for coming
on today. It was such a pleasure to talk to you.
I can't wait to the Gastro reel.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah. No, I'm gonna write that down, Gustro.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Isn't that just such a content thing?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
All of us have a notes at where all of
our ideas go down. I remember being out for dinner
with like some radio anounces a couple of years ago,
and something happened and they saw every single one of
us just be like hang on, and we all pulled
out our phones and I was like, we all suck.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
It's so hard to get your brain out of it.
It's like someone falls off and breaks their arm, and
you're like, breaks arm, what did you break? Call out?
What you're not calling that?
Speaker 3 (47:01):
The ambulance you're writing down a content idea.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Thank you so much for coming on, and let's jump
in our Facebook discussion group. Everyone, let's do a hashtag
what is it? Maddie boyfriend gate?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Get my help who's slightly interested in social media but
not too interested?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Save me in your contact as Maddie links to.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
All of Maddie social media will be in our show
notes for anyone who doesn't already follow you so they
can follow a long Thanks so much for coming in.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Thanks guys,
This episode was recorded on cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany
and I'm Keisha, and today we have a very special
guest in studio. In person. I could reach out and
almost touch that, but I won't because I've had a
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bit of gash relately, so that could be awkward. How
to put our guests off as much as possible for me?
Someone You, guys, if you don't know, you would have
seen her face. Mattie McCrae. Mattie mcray has over three
million followers across social media. She was an aspiring actress
and I did ask her if I could use the
term aspiring before I said it. But she has been
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in home Away before, so we can say actress that
has turned into a viral content creator. And I have
followed along your dating videos for a very long time,
and I feel like I saw you at the very beginning.
I feel like you popped up on my feed many
many years ago when you weren't that big and I
was like that chick's fucking funny, and then all of
a sudden you blew up. But welcome to the podcast, Maddie.
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Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Thanks for having me say like it's on brand because
I immediately think of what the stomach does videos and
all the skits that.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You I've done a gastro video. Actually, that's good. I'll
write that down.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Write that down. Credit, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, start every episode by asking our guests for their
most embarrassing story.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
We call it an accidentally unfiltered Do you have one? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I have two that you can pick from. Okay, love
this one is like, well, because I figured that I
just want to like share something embarrassing, so we like
break the ice, right, So had a story and I
have like a sex slash piess.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Story cent both can I love a quef story? I queped?
I did dance with the stars this, yes you did,
and I spoke about on the podcast. But like my
poor dance partner was doing this move where my groin
was in his face and I accidentally queped in his face.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes, so this, Okay, let me share this story because
it's similar. It's not really a story, it's just kind
of a fact about me that I can't do pilates
or yoga because I will queef every time. I don't
know what it is, is it really loud. Yeah, is
it tight or is it loose? Because that air is
falling out of me.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know what, I don't know if we're allowed to
comment on that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, So I was just it was just a fact
about me, is that I can't do yoga apolates because
whenever I do like down dog, you know, three leg
a dog. Yeah, this mightbe happened to you when you
were dancing. So you're in down dog, you lift your
leg and then you go into like a warrior two
post and it's meant to be serene and send. Everyone's
having a nice time doing yoga and I will just
break the silence with an nice queen.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But it's to be expected right as women.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, I think, so I'm embarrassed. So I don't do
yoga a polarates.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I was about to ask.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You because a lot of like brand things, especially if
they're local, there are a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Of them, Like you know, there are health something or other.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They'll put a pilates or a yoga class in there
to go alongside their brand.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I never go. I never go. It's like I'm busy.
It's something you can train yourself to do, you know,
Like I think because when you think about it, quefing
is like, well, you're sucking the airing. So I think
when you're doing your three leggers, you've got to be
like bearing down and like push it out.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I feel like it would be one of those things.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The more effort you put into it, the more thought
you give it, the harder it will be to a voice.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, and then I'll just be more embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You just be manifestingef by it. Okay, So we'll just
never exercise again.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So when it comes to like influencer events, I avoid
boat parties because you can't leave, and pilarates.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Boat parties the same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
If they invite me to a boat party, Sorry, it's
a no. That was just like that Spider Man thing.
You know, all the Spider Man's are pointing to each other.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That was all of us. Yeah, partly because if anything
that you can't get out of, it's like I'm not
doing it. I like an Irish goodbye. Sometimes I've asked
it if there are water taxis that can take me,
and I think that's not the question to ask the brand.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Hypothetically, if I wanted to get off.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The Yeah, I mean it's a fun experience, but like
when you don't know anyone, when you don't know what
the vibe is, if you can't leave, I don't want
to be there.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so watch your sex one.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Oh yeah, so my pissed story one time. I peech
uring sex is so embarrassing. Many years ago, I met
up with a guy during COVID. We're not meant to,
but I did. And this was kind of like me
freshly single, you know, trying to be in my messy
girl single era, and he met.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Actually single at the start of COVID. Yeah, rough, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
We broke up in twenty twenty. It was right, yeah,
And so like I couldn't date. I couldn't, you know.
And I've been in relationships for like two back to
back four year relationships, so I'd been like locked in
for eight years. So I was like, I it's oh,
I got to get you know, I got to get
out there. I got to fox some people. So I
met up with this guy that i'd met on a
McDonald's commercial. I met him on a commercial, actually, and
why did.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You point at me like I met my people?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You're like no, Because we were talking about acting work
and I was like, hey, yeah, I got acting work
and I met a guy and I went back command yeah,
and I pissed in his band anyway, So he messages
me a pin to meet up with him, and I
I put the location in my maps and I drove
off to meet him. And it turned out to be
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his van parked at a beach with like thea's back
of it like opened up to the ocean, which I
think he intended it to be romantic, but it's too public. No,
not even that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I just feel like that's when you're like seventeen eighteen,
Like I don't know, yeah, you don't really want to
be crocking up to some guy's van. I want him
to have a rental and a bed sheet exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
But you know, I was like I wasn't going to
judge him because it was COVID so maybe you know
living situations, cause he lives. I don't know, he was
living in his van. So we sat there for a
little bit and it was a bit awkward, and he
pulled out a guitar and sang at me, well, I
want to say, like an hour and a half, two hours.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Dude, I feel like that's the embarrassing thing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How does someone do that for an hour to two hours?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
By one hour in he's asking me for requests and
he's like pulling up the corps and I just.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Put his hat around for money.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Maybe he could have, but see I'm freshly single. I
was like scared to make the move. So I was
waiting for him to make the move and I'm sitting
there being like, put the fucking guitar down. Please, let's
get into the back of the event. Eventually we do,
but mind you were at a event. There's no bathroom.
We've been there for an hour and a half, two hours,
my god, having a bit.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You've been trying to hold the queef in.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, exactly, no down dog in the back of the
man please. But you know, eventually we start getting busy
in the back of his man and he grabs me
and you're just wait and I had to play it
off in him.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Did you say you squirted?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I was like, Wow, that guitar really work. Oh yeah,
that's baby.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Got the worst confirmation for something that he should not
have been doing.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He was like, I was like, this.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Is the best because I should serenade all my ladies
like this. I'm still single, living in his ben Have
you seen the Barbie movie that scene with Ken, That's it.
That's what happened to me. And then I pissed in
his vent.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
At the beach.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
His job was beach and I never saw him again.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So did that Macis commercial launch your career or yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Totally? Yeah, I'm such a busy booked actor.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well you are. I mean you are everywhere at the moment.
I feel like you're doing absolute wonders online. What was
life like before that? Like? Did you always want to
be an actor and entertainer? Who were you before you
sort of met the world?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The world? Yeah, and they met me and my poo dress,
because yeah, that's what I do, Like I said gastros
On Brand. No, I was trying to be an actor
like you said, aspiring actor was the correct term. I
went to drama school, I did all those things, tried
to be in commercials. I wasn't a Macus commercial. I
was an Amy lady once you.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Know the insurance Yeah, with the Yeah, I didn't sing
it you could a guy from the vand could he could?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah? So I did a couple of commercials before COVID,
but I was working in retail. But it didn't really happen.
I didn't really get representation. I was really for me
to try and get work. And it's actually why I
dyed my hair red, because I'm actually naturally blonde, and
then it's kind of become my thing, like, yeah, my
signature look right to be a redhead. But because I
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thought I would walk into casting rooms and everyone would
just be blonde. I think Australian, I don't know, So
I dyed my hair red hoping that would help me
get more work, and I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It does make you stand out, though.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yes, it has become my best accessory and I love
it and I've kept it now, not for the acting sense,
but because I think it really suits me. But yeah,
the acting work never came. And then COVID happened. Unto Lockdown,
I had a relationship breakup, so I was alone a
lot at home, like we all were, and I was
bored and I was scrolling on TikTok, so I thought
I would make one just for fun. I didn't know
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it could be a job. And then yeah, six months later,
I'd quit my retail job and I've been doing it
full time ever since, which is kind of crazy. And
then yeah, I have had a really big year where
all of this kind of acting adjacent jobs have come up,
which has been great.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, that's more likely for it to come up when
you have three million followers, as it is when you're
in a Mac's commercial. But do you remember what your
first skit was?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, well my first like super viral skit, Yeah, which
is my stomach videos. I still make them. It was fantastic. Yeah,
there was like playing a single slice of bread in
the stomach before a big night of drinking.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think that's what I remember.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, it had like twenty I think twenty.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, you know, you know, every for those point at
home only because I'm an aspiring actor as well, but
every like production company director, everyone says right like, hey,
you want to be an actor, go create it for yourself.
I love that you were like, I'll show them. I'll
be a slice of bread. You could make your dream role.
And You're like, I'm going to fucking be a slice bread.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah that's depth, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Character the thing that I love so much about your videos,
And I've actually wondered about this from the perspective of
someone who knows.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Slightly more about the editing world.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You play every character in all of your skits, And genuinely,
there have been times where I've looked at your videos
and I'm like, how does she do that? Does she
have a green screen? Like how does she make this
all work? And I was wondering whether you would divulge
the secrets the bts of actually how you do create
your content.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, like as in the multiple of me in one shot.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, like does it take you seven hours to film?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You think it would, but it actually does it. It
doesn't take that long. I use cap cut. I don't
even use a green screen.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I use cup cut. Yeah, I just have sponsored by.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There's a masking and a background removal tool in cap cut. Okay,
have you ever tried background and removal?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No? Well, if you ever did, like.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
A green screen style video where you wanted like a
photo behind you, there's a tool in cap cut where
you can just remove a background.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
That's all I do.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I just like set up a tripod and film two
versions of me side by side and just take it out. Yeah,
just remove the background of one of them, and then
there's two of me.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
We've been to the moon before, but here we are
like blown away. I mean did we go to the moon?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But if you're asking Kim katass Oh, I find that
really interesting. And so how do you actually think about
all of the skin that you do? You know, do
you kind of write them out for yourself or do
you just do it improv do they kind of happen
as you're going.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I do script it, yeah, just because I'd like to
have the correct reaction of the other characters. But all
of my ideas, I just write them down and I
do a lot of personification. So whenever there's a scenario
in my life or something that sparked an idea, I'm like,
how can I do that? I recently had an idea
about mercury and retrograde, so I'm like, how could I
play Mercury, who's like going into a box that's retrograde?
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Like I'm just like trying to figure out how I
can personify it and make it funny and like show
the expressions of these inanimate objects like a slice of bread.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What was it like when you were transitioning from like
a regular job, a stable income, knowing that like at
the end of the week, you've done this many hours,
this is how much money you're going to get to
going out on your own, because I think a lot
of people don't. Well they do now, but at the time,
content creation seemed unfathomable that you could make a living offer,
you could get an income, but you still don't know
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what you were going to get. I don't know how
it was going to go, and you don't know when
it was going to end. What was that like transition
period life for you? Did you find it easy?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It was scary. I did have to take a leap
of faith, but I did actually wait to quit my
job until I was making the same amount from socials.
It's just there's a shift in like inconsistent income. You
just have to be good with money, which I'm grateful
for my parents but teaching me how to save and
not splurge. So I did. I was it was fine
for me, but I had saved some annual leave with
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my retail job, so I actually took all of my
annual leave to kind of do the job, see if
I loved it, see if I could survive. And I've
been very lucky that I've never had to like be
too concerned about the next payment, and I've tried to
have like good savings. You have to be savvy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I also think you have to be the type of
person who's comfortable with the lack of stability.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, you know, like and that's kind of a whether
you're a or a B.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think that when you work in the world that
we do, opportunities can come and they can be great,
but also it can get dry, and you know, it
kind of comes and goes in waves. And sometimes I
think if you were the type of person who likes
to have that salary that you know comes in every
week and you can rely on that amount of money
being put into your bank account, it can be really
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terrifying and you probably would be too stressed to actually
create good content. But I know that that was a
massive consideration for you, going from working like a full
salary job to actually taking a bit of this leap of.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Oh I didn't, Yeah, I did it for far too long.
I was an emergency radiographer, so I was working. Yeah,
I was working in a hospital when I started this podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I think I remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, Yeah, probably would have heard I saved lives and stuff.
I remember I did. I stayed far too long in
that hospital because I was petrified of not having money
or not knowing if it was going to come or
being taken away because I lived here in Sydney on
my own. I didn't have family here. If I couldn't
pay my rent, yeah, that's on me. No one was
(13:51):
going to sweep Yeah I was working with a serenade guy,
but no one was going to sweep in. And I
think I probably stayed at that hospital two years too long.
And I was like, you know what, I physically you
have to you have to sometimes just make the hard
decisions and jump straight in.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And look, you can't live your life this way. But
I think that sometimes when you leave space, the work
comes to you. There's like, you know, I love the
law of detachment, all of that stuff which I feel
like is happening to me in my acting world. But
I think that the moment that you take that leap
of faith and allow space for work to come to
you in a creative sense, it does come to you.
There's a book about it, Manifesting the Secret.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
What's the law of detachment? I want to hear.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
This law of detachment is when you stop wanting something
so hard it comes to you. Okay, you know that
saying when you're single, you would have got this a
lot BEFO when you were single is like the moment
you stop looking. But it was so true, and it's like, well,
I'm I'm lonely, so I'm looking. Even with my eyes closed,
I'm looking. But they always say that, like the moment
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you stop looking, it follows you. So same in my
career senses as well. I was really for the last
two probably for the first two years of me doing
full time, I was still really trying to do acting,
and I was saying no to a lot of opportunities
because I wanted to be taken seriously as an actor.
I was always told in drama school that you shouldn't
do reality TV if you want to be an actor,
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and I said no to a lot of opportunities for
that For that reason.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's also changed now. It used to be like.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That, I believe you and I agree with you. Yes,
I believe me. I believe you, So I mean I
agree with you. So I said no to a lot,
And then.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
What did you say no to? What reality options?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I was asked to go on The Amazing Race, and
then I did have I did have a dating show
reach out to me, which I said no to.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'd love to see you on those I would love to.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I would love to do The Bachelorette if it came back,
but it's it's gone now right, I don't have to whisper.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It, put it out there. I want to be the Bachelor.
I think it'll come back.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I wanted to. I would love to go on that show.
I think it would be really funk. But that I
was with an acting agent, and then I decided, you
know what, I actually hate this. I hate auditioning. I
hated setting up my camera to film a self tame.
I was like, I'm actually not having fun anymore with
the rejection. So I left my acting agent and I went,
you know what, I'm just gonna lean into socials and
just say yes to everything. And then that was late
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last year, and then this year, like I've had so
many acting opportunities come to me. Because this is law
of detachment. The moment you stop like knocking at the door,
the door opens, which.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Interesting, Yeah, it's I don't want to say, oh maybe
it is. Maybe you can liken it to dating. You know,
when you women, particularly meet a guy and they're not
into you, you want them more. It's like it's when
there's that no Fox given attitude, you're playing hard to
get with your career. But I also think yeah, but
I also think it's like because you're focusing on things
that then make you happy and you're putting really good
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positive energy into what you're doing, and then the rest
of the world notices. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And I think also like you care less on how
it how it comes to you, Like maybe I was
hoping for, you know, a three year part on Home
and Away, and that's all I wanted, right, it's not.
But let's say, but then once you like kind of
let go of that one specific dream, these other things
come to you that are slightly different, and you're like, oh,
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that fulfills me in a way that I never thought
it could.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So funny you say that, because I feel like that's
where I'm at now, and I don't talk about it
a lot on here, but I'm auditioning all the time.
I always have. You know, we've done some tapes together. Okay,
I like reading the key she reads for me, because
I you know, that's what I wanted to do. I
went to the acting schools all in my twenties. But
I think we have the same oh you know my agent, Yeah,
we don't have the same agent, but you know, my
agent and I had the same thing the other day.
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I used to be like, I will audition for anything,
get it to me. And then the other day she
had an inn somewhere with something and she messaged it
to me and she was like, you know, I know
the people there and redo this reading. And I looked
at it and I was like, I don't want it. Yeah,
I don't want it. I don't want it enough anymore
just to say yes to everything because and she's like,
what you were so keen and I said, yeah, but
(17:52):
I don't the role, the person, the messaging, the script.
I was like, I'm gonna say no. And I feel
like maybe I'm just at the beginning of what you say.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Good.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah. Yeah, I've just been like fuck it. And then
I just like I care less, which means like if
the opportunities don't come to me, I'm like, that's okay.
I'm going to survive, Like I love my job now.
It fulfills me creatively. And then when they do come
to me, which a couple of them have this.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Year, Yay, that's really exciting. So you got to see
stuff coming acting this year?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, So I did. I recorded an audiobooks earlier this year,
so that's already come out with Ryan Core and I
had such a crush on him when I was also.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
The ad you did about erotica, like audiobooks are so good,
so funny.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So I've been.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Working with Audible a lot and doing like audiobooks, and
I have a couple more kind of coming out that
I've just recently recorded with them. So voice acting is
and I never really thought that I'd be voice acting
and here we are on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Can I say something very controversial? I am such an
audiobook girl. You know the Court of Thorns and Bruises
that everyone became obsessed with. I tried to do that
in audiobook.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Did you do graphic audiobook? Though?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I don't know. I just listened on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I have sound effects saying a lot of brands and
now that this is it had sound effects of the
animals dye stuff, and I was like absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And then when they have sex scenes, you got all
the kissing sounds and the moaning.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I did not even get that fire. I was just
I was out on a walk. Yeah, I was like,
I it's.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Not for me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
No, that needs to be a visual. That kind of
stuff needs to be visual. That's a graphic audio book.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
You can get it where they just read the words
I neaged to dive DeFi you did pay extra?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Do you get content fatigue having to constantly come up
with ideas? And do you feel on that? I guess
do you feel the pressure to be like, oh, everyone
expects me to be producing this really good, funny stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yep all the time. I'm currently in a period of
burnout that I'm trying to just come out of. I
feel like I'm on a hamster wheel. Yeah, because i
feel like I love my job. It's amazing. I can't
get promoted.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
This is it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You know, what I'm doing is my job and it's
fulfilling me now. But I'm like, is this gonna fulfill
me forever?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Or will it last? For it? Will it last forever?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I also have like these unrelenting standards for myself where
I'm like, if it doesn't hit a certain number, like
the numbers is really hard because I need to stop
looking at them. But I mean it's in views, use, likes, engagement, shares, everything.
It's just kind of like if I don't hit that,
that I'm like, well it's over, and then I'm like, Okay,
well what's next my next viral hit? And I feel
like I can't take a break because I'm like, if
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I stop posting consistently, I'm going to lose it, and
I need to let go of that. But I definitely
feel like I'm on this content hamster wheel, and I
do have plenty of ideas, but my motivation and my
love for it at the moment is low.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I feel like we're all slaves to the algorithm, and
it's especially hard because they change the algorithm, they don't
tell you how. You're always trying to figure out what
ways you can try and make it work to your
advantage and what ways you know worked last time, and
if you do that again, sometimes it just doesn't work
for reasons that you literally can't figure out. How long
do those periods of content burnout kind of last for you?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean, I actually saw you post some of this.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I think you were recently on a trip to Paris,
and it was very lux and very nice, and then
you had some content come out in your stories a
couple of days later, just kind of it was a
really nice refreshing thing to kind of see where it was.
You know, I know that my life looks a certain way,
but just so you know, there's also this other side
to it, and it can be quite I don't want
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to say debilitating, it can be quite flattening though.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, well you're on all the time. And then
I Yeah, So this trip that you're talking about, I
went to Paris for a couple of brand trips and
I was there for three weeks, and I did share
the highlights. Obviously, I'm there with a brand and I
want to share the fun things that I was up to.
But I was actually struggling a lot mentally, and I
was like crying almost every day. So I shared like
a photo of me after the event, Like I shared
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like a side by side, which is the one you saw,
which was me at the event in this glitzy, beautiful
dress on a media while having the greatest time ever.
And then I shared the photo of me back in
the hotel like bawling because I'm just so overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
What is making you feel like that? Can you pinpoint it?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I did figure it out on this trip because I
went alone for three weeks, because you don't often get
to take a plus one with you, and I had
some time in between two of the jobs I was doing.
I had nine days by myself, and I just felt
really lonely. And I'm realizing that this job is really isolating,
especially me. I play everyone right, I don't need to
leave my.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
House, cap cut, I got cap cut. I can play
everyone right. I didn't play the bread, you play the boys.
I I don't care every yeah, the gastro play the ball.
And so I'm finding it really isolating.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And then I'm getting these beautiful, wonderful, amazing opportunities to travel,
and then they're just like, well, you do everything alone,
so you can go alone. And I just was like,
I was just really lonely. And you know, I went
to a breakup again earlier this year, and I was
just like, I'm sick of doing this by myself. And
so since I've gotten back, I've had to really invest
in the time that i'm not making content, seeing friends,
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seeing people that are important to me, because it's, yeah,
I'm on this content hamster wheel, and I'm just, yeah,
I'm feeling really lonely.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And sometimes the moments that actually highlight the fact I
don't want to say the fact that you're alone, but
it's the I used to feel same thing. You're in Paris,
you're in Europe, and you're like, cool, this would be
lovely to experience with someone and create a memory with someone.
And it doesn't mean you're not grateful, No, it's you're
obviously a very independent person. You don't need it. But
(23:15):
that doesn't mean that you're exempt from having those feelings, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think you're also Sometimes until you're actually in the
isolated environment, you don't realize how much of a sense
of community you get from your day to day experiences,
like just going into a workplace and having other people there.
You have those five minute conversations, You have people that
you check in with, like when you start working for yourself.
And I went through a period of this too, because
I technically still do work for myself and now I
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get to work with some of my best friends.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And if we have periods where we'll have two.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Weeks away from the studio, sometimes it will be three
days before I've seen another person, Like it can be
really a strange feeling when you don't have that kind
of non forced contact with people as well, And I
think that it's particularly hard when you work in a
creative space, and you're expected to keep on having these
ideas and different things come to your head, and you're like,
(24:05):
I have nothing interesting, nothing as interesting as it happened.
I have nothing to kind of bounce off of.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There's no muses going on.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You know, what do I draw from what's relatable about
my life? When I just totally my house?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
How have you? How have you found dating since your
profile has grown so much? If you found it, I
mean you're exposed to more people, so more people know
who you are, have accessibility to you in a way.
But I also wonder if it's made it a bit
more isolating because people think that all of a sudden,
you're so big that maybe you're unattainable. Yeah, did you
feel this as well?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Did you find Martins?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
That's pretty desperate.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Thing I used to worry about with Brier is that
a certain type of person might actually be attracted to
you because they think that they can get something from
you as well as in they would use you to
leverage their own part.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I actually I never felt that. I actually felt the opposite.
I felt like the less people wanted to date me. Yeah,
my profile grew, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Became unapproachable, unattainable because.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well they didn't realize that. All they would have had
to have done is looked twice at me, and I
would have been like they didn't they you know, because
I was I really I didn't care who somebody was.
I just wanted to meet somebody that I felt was
a match and felt right and have that connection. Because
I was on my own for ten years, I was
quite lonely. Yeah, but the number of people that would
say the opposite, They're like, oh, I just wouldn't have
messaged you, because.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, I feel like that does happen a little bit. Yeah,
I haven't found it like that difficult. But I mean recently,
I've had a guy send me a screenshot of a message.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
This is so wed I dated.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I went on a date with a guy two weeks ago,
and the message he sent me to end things with me,
by the way, a little rejection message that didn't send.
It didn't send to me, And I was like, can
you send me the screenshot of the message, And he
sent me the screenshot and he had saved me in
his phone as insta famous that was.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
My oh no, meet your name, And I.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Mean, look, he was rejecting me anyway, So I was like, well, whatever,
no loss. But I was like, oh oh.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Oh that's a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
It is.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But also I was like, really, even the fact she
thought it was okay to then screenshot, not even change
your name before his screenshot, he's crazy. Is his job?
He's a therapist. Shut, that's fuck. This is like a
what's that? Nobody wants this? Yeah, so inappropriate boundaries cross.
(26:25):
Hang on, wasn't your therapist? No? No, no no.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He came back a week later and asked me to
take me out for dinner, and I was like bye,
so hang on, he dumped you, yes, didn't go you
by your name screenshot into famous.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Then came back.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Had you slept with him? No?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Okay, no, we'd had one date. It was you know,
it doesn't matter. Yeah, but I have found it like hard,
I guess because I'll either have someone who doesn't have
I dated a guy earlier this year who didn't have
social media, but he which I was mind it is
a green flag, but then he actually had no interest
in what I did. Yeah, okay, okay, this is my
whole life. I don't need you to be online but
(27:03):
I was like, do you want one day? I was like,
do you want to watch the videos that I made today?
And I was like, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You don't want it to be someone's whole life, but
they need to be interested and they need to understand
you should be obsessed with me that you want to
watch what I made. I'm funny, right, MA? Can I
ask there was some content that you made?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It have to be probably a year ago now, maybe
even longer. I think it was when you were over
in Rome in Paris and there was so much great
content coming out about the Italian guy.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
What he messaged me this morning?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, please please tell anyone who missed the story how
I unfolded.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Can you please share that story?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So last year I did a dating vlog series on
my TikTok called Dating twenty twenty four. The plot which
was me just saying yes to dates and I would
document me getting ready and then I would do like
a little debrief after and it was like my first
time actually sharing more about my life online rather than
just a skit. I went to Rome with Netflix for
the Emily in Paris Part two, the most recent season
(28:04):
premiere nice and I got asked out on the streets
of Rome by this guy. And my initial response was
to say, no, I don't know, you know, I want
to date someone, but somebody asking me out in public.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I was like, that's Italians for you, though they're very forward. Yeah,
and it was.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He asked me out and I went out for coffee
with him, and I did end up going on two
dates with him, and it was like the most romantic
experience of my life. We weren't write for each other,
which I do still get messages from people being like,
go about Italy. We weren't the right fit. He was
a lot younger than me, but he was very, very
romantic and I think it's the European Italian in him.
(28:41):
And he would like deliver flowers to my hotel and
it was just, yeah, it was really cute. He left
me a note, So.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Why wasn't he right for you?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You know how, I hope he doesn't listen to this.
You know how you were just saying about the people
that want to maybe benefit off the fame.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
He was a singer and he was like keen to
interesting collab. Yeah, and he really he saw all the content.
He really loved it, and he loved it a little
bit too much, okay, And I was like, I feel
like you'd just be with me for the cloud.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I feel like also Netflix would have just they couldn't
have asked for better content.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Literally was the story of that season, and a lot
of people accuse me of lying, but I was like, no,
it was real.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I'm like his hashtag at right. I mean it was
better to promote the show.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It did a good job. It was like my Lizzie
Maguire moment. And he like wrote me a note at
the end. It was very sweet because his English wasn't great,
but he said that I was sparkling like Coca Cola,
and I love so.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Okay, what about like a rose That's a potential new
brand partnership there, I'm sparkling like Coca cola.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So his message you this morning? Do you want to
share that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I mean all it is is that he's seen a
billboard and he's like, I thought this was you. He's like, hey,
hope you're well I thought this was you. Oh that's nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I could go either way depending on what the billboard was. This, yeah,
is it like some like laxatives?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
This is the image she saw. He thinks that I'm
the girl in the pink.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I see it. Ah, it's a redhead. I think it's
only the hair. I can I get it. But I
think he's clutching. I think he wants to contact.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
That goes back to the whole signature look like, oh yeah,
okay it yeah. I think he's making excuses to talk
Maddie about this profile kind of situation. You recently bought
your first apartment and I remember you sharing a video
kind of showing everybody you know, saying like, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I'm excited to do this painting and to do this
and that. And I think it was a day or
two later I saw some content from you that I
really felt very very sorry for you, and I was like,
that must be an experience that was so scary for
someone to go through as a woman who was living
by herself.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Essentially.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
People had said that you'd shared this video and that
there were features of the apartment that they could identify,
and some people like used it to find out where
you live.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, how did you feel at that time?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And I guess like, did you have regret about sharing
this milestone?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Absolutely? Yeah, I shared a house tour. Yeah, I was
very excited, and I shared it at nighttime. I normally
post at night and then go to bed and just
let it do its thing. And I woke up the
next morning with I think I had like half a
million views and just everyone in the comment saying, delete this,
delete this video. I found your address.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's also so much worse when you've been asleep for
like ten hours. Yeah what damn, We've just been done
in that time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Mostly I feel like it was just women. My audience
is ninety percent women, so I think it was mostly
just people being like, hey, galie to so you know,
I found your address someone else could, how well. Look,
I felt really embarrassed because my apartment has some pretty
unique features. It has like these high ceilings with beams.
It has like these French windows, so it's not like
(31:51):
your stocks. It's beautiful. I love it so much, and
I was so excited to share it.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
But you shouldn't be embarrassed, because the reason you don't
think about things like that is because you would have
the brain of someone who would do it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
No, And so yeah, I think it was like pretty,
and because it was an empty apartment, there was no
furniture in it. You could take a screenshot and you
could just Google reverse image search and find the address.
And then I'm still actually struggling with having the listing
taken down. They just want to take it down. I
don't know why. So I'm still actually trying to get
the listing.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
You actually can't. I've been trying to do the same thing.
They just don't care.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They don't care enough.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Daily Mail's published britt and Laura's address.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Are you sitting?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah? They publish it, what yep?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And I think I did for Laura, she's got children.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's disgusting the actual invasion of privacy, especially for women,
especially like you guys who live alone alone. It makes
me so angry that they don't think it's a real
thing that women should be scared about.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I haven't spoken about this yet, but fuck it, here's
the time. But I bought a house with my husband.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I actually thought about this when you posted. Yeah, continue,
but I thought of me when.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You it's a very unique house that you beautiful. You
can tell the same thing. The second is a picture
of it. You know where it is. It was very
easy to find. I never was going to share that
I was going to move into that house. And everyone
knows I live alone, right because my husband lived in
another country. Everyone knows that I've never released where I live,
And so I bought that and I had that for
a couple of months, didn't say a word about it,
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didn't tell anyone, didn't post it, never was going to.
And then I started getting messages because a lot of
people are asking me, why aren't you living there? I
started getting messages from randoms saying, just letting you know
your real estates calling around, telling people your full name,
your full address, what you bought it for, just cold calling.
These are people, And it was real because I would say,
(33:37):
can you tell me, like I tested them, can you
tell me the real estate that did it? And can
you tell me my exact address or are they just
giving a suburb? And she's like, no, your exact street number,
house number, everything, this is the phone number they called from. Like,
oh my yes, so they would just someone in Italy
messaged me saying, hey, this is weird, but your real
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estate's calling people and giving them your address. And so
even though it was they were doing it, I was like,
I can't move into my house now I've got I
get death threats all the time. I have psychostalkers so scary,
and they still wouldn't take it down, still want to
take listen down, tried to get aggressive and gas light me,
and I was like, you motherfuckers have just.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Ruined this for me, So you're not going to live
there now?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Also, no, no, no, I'm not going to move there now,
and so I share. That's when I started to share
the house because I was like, well, I've got to
rent it out. I've got to rent it now. I
was like, I've got to make some money because I've
just bought it and now I can't move into it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I was angry. Yeah, they probably just thought it was
like a big flex that they helped you buy it, right,
because that's advertising them as a real estate agent.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, but I'm like, do you know what that does?
Is the juice really worth a squeeze to you? That
you would put safety at risk?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That's why I don't want you to feel embarrassed for it,
because even if you hadn't have done a video, even
like I could have, people can still find those things out.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's not really you to me.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I just felt silly because I'd never shared anything
like that, and I was like, I could have avoided
that if I just hadn't, because I don't normally share
that much about my life. And so then the moment
that I do that happens and I was like, oh,
so it's just really embarrassed. And then I'm like, fuck,
I have to renovate the whole place so that people
can't identify it. I have to film my videos in
a very narrow lens that people can't identify features of it,
(35:13):
like I.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Could just put a background up me.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, you've got to get that green screen out. Apparently,
maybe I'm going to start green screening a different house.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Maybe it's hard that you have to do. You feel
unsafe there, you feel okay, you feel like you've got
it down in time, and.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think it's fine. I think most of the people
were just women trying to look out for me, which
I love. Nothing's happened, and I've been there six months now,
so I don't feel unsafe there at all, and I've
lived alone for like three four years now, so I've
been fine. I feel like I'm irrelevant enough that people
wouldn't want to find me because my comedy stuff is
(35:46):
just like yeah, haha, lololl follow.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Like, but you just need that one, right, weirdo?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, but just scar you.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
But I'm like, people don't realize it's just that.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Why No, it just takes one person. Yeah, it is scary.
And I know that it's not my forever home. It's
just my you know, it's my first apartment now, So
if it ever became an issue, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Do you feel like the bar has been raised constantly
with what you've got to do in this attention economy?
And I mean that by like you spending a week
at an airport, you're like constantly trying You're constantly trying
to raise the bar. Do you feel that pressure? And
how did you end up in an airport from it?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
That was a weird one, wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That I was approached by Changi Airport to do that,
so it wasn't a I feel like, yes, there is
pressure in the attention economy to always be coming up
with new ideas, new ways to go viral, So I
definitely feel that pressure. Changy had approached me to live
there for a week as a brand partnership, which was
kind of the craziest job ever and really cool.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Have you been to chinga airport?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Been?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I feel like I lived there with you. Yes, it was,
I feel like I have been. It was a very
intense job.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I know I was going live a lot and they
were pushing it out a lot because I think they
were really trying to push it. But it was kind
of like this concept about the terminal if you've seen
the movie with Tom Hanks, which I do love the film,
And they just wanted me live there and kind of
sharing my experience, which I didn't feel like I was
really living in an airport because there's a hotel there,
there were like rooftop polls and bars and restaurants, resorts
(37:11):
is Singapore. Ian's actually traveled to Changy just to go there.
Like the percentage of travelers to non travelers is actually
really weird. You think that everyone's traveling someone know, they
just go there.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It's like a mall.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's like a cool place to have. Yeah, you just
go to the airport.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Do it feel weird because as soon as you enter
an airport, I feel like all the rules go Yeah
by the wayside, you can do whatever you want, yea
wearing whatever they.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Want, totally can be drinking.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
You can be eating dinner food at breakfast and no
one No one's there to judge.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
They're spoken rule that we're not. Is that how you
felt for a whole week?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, kind of it did. But I also I was
working a lot, like I was making a lot of content,
So I did really feel like I was there for
a job and like promoting the content, which you've all
seen because.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It was everywhere, everywhere, it was everywhere.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, but it was fun.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I liked it. What do you think people would be
surprise to know about you? That's a hard question, isn't it.
Content creators share a lot, you know. I think about
how much we share. I would be hard pressed to
come up.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
With something that I haven't shared the Well, yeah, i
think I've shared already a little bit. Just that I'm
lonely at the moment. I'm just going through a real
tough time doing this job. It's very isolating. I would
classify myself as an introvert, though I think that's surprising
you think online that i'd be extraverted. I do recharge
being alone, but now I've just had too much of it.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I think a lot of people are like that. A
lot of people, actors performers. People that come across to
the naked eye as extroverts are introverts. Those people that
need to then go home and like recharge on their own. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I mean it was interesting that you said when you
saw the post about the burnout, I had so many
creators reach out to me. I feel like we all
feel like we have to pretend that everything's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
It's because you're so lucky to do the job that
you do, so you're don't grateful. You can't feel like
you're ever going through something hard because there's always someone
going through something worse, which is true, yes, but that
doesn't take away from the feeling that you have.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Do you know what I also think is a problem
is that we don't I'm comparing this to a more
typical like I have a lot of friends who work
in marketing.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
For example, they will work.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
For a really long time on a big brief or
a concept or some type of marketing plan. They will
deliver the plan, and then they will have like the
post campaign reports talking about how it all when, what
they could do differently next time.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
That kind of thing. We don't have the post. We
only have the lead up.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
We have the stress and the anxiety of making something
that is going to be you know, to these standards
that it will go viral and we'll get all this
attention and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
And then as soon as you post it, what's next.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
What's happening next, what's the next one that you're doing,
what's the next thing that you're creating?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Like, who are you working with next?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Like I don't think we actually get the wine down
time because and again it kind of goes back to
this whole no salary.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
We've got to do the next.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Thing because otherwise we don't have money coming through it
or so it can be really really stressful.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah it has been, but I yeah, I'm trying to
navigate that still. But I agree with you. We don't
celebrate our wins enough. Like once once it's done and
you're like, okay, what's next, what's bigger?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
So how are you trying to meet your person? Are
you online? Dating? You slide into the DMS? You because
we've got a Facebook group that they match people with
love help me help it's rough out here. I don't
know are you online?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I am?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I mean like bumble and tin.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, I'm one of the dating apps I've been trying
to get on Rayer, but they won't let me in.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Had a husband there.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, okay, I have twelve referrals and they still won't
let me in.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
That doesn't like Sam.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
But I don't know they don't want me.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Maybe because I got married on there, I've got more pool.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I should send him the screenshot saying insta famous, Oh yeah,
let me in.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know what they've done. The problem is there's too
many people in there. I think that's what they've done.
They really opened it up because they got greedy.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Oh yeah, but don't give up. Yeah I am. I'm trying.
It's just I find it really interesting. I've been chatting
to a guy this week and I was talking to
my I saw my auntie yesterday and it's been six
days of us chatting and we haven't met up yet.
And I was like, I actually think it's been too long,
and she's like no, and I was like, yeah, I
actually think. And you know, talking about attention economy, I
(41:18):
feel like our attention spans are so short that if
you don't meet immediately, we've lost interest. And now I
feel like Laura of detachment. I have to pretend I
don't care for me.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I think it's between a rock and a hard place
with this, because as women, you want to know someone
well enough that you feel comfortable and you feel safe.
But if you leave it too long, I feel as
though the pressure gets a bit too high. Of like, well,
now we feel like we actually know each other quite well,
so it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
End up being something good.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yes, we've spent all of this sun cost fallasy, We've
spent all of this time getting to know each other
before we've actually met in person.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
And sometimes you just meet people in person and the
ViBe's so different. Yeah, I don't know if it's pheromones,
it's it's not there. Yeah. You also just don't waste
You get to the point where you're so exhausted by it,
you're like, I don't want to waste two weeks of
my time talking with someone. Then when I meet you,
you're not it exactly. I reckon, three days is the sweet, right,
and just get straight to it. Coffee coffee, that's it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I've suggested it twice now and he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
When fucking I know, like, you're better than that.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, but I'm desperate now, so I'm like, come on,
no one else You've suggested coffee Toom twice, he's not it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I blocking delet. You can revisit it a later day.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
It's rough. It's rough. I feel like dating culture is.
It's really tough because like you just have another option.
Once you've swiped right on someone, there's someone else there,
you know.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, And that goes back to exactly the attention economy.
We do not like we find it so hard to
do anything hard, like anything that takes effort or commitment.
We don't want it because there's something so much easier
down the track. What would you advise would you give
to somebody that wants to get into content creation? It
is now the dream job now that young people like crazy, well,
young people know that, like wow, I can make a
(42:57):
living from being exactly who I want to be online
is amazing. It is a tough industry, for sure. What
advice would you give?
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Just post the video, Just post it, don't ever think
of it, don't ever think it. Like you said, and
I know that we were saying that this was maybe
a negative thing that once you've posted it, you move on,
But it's true when it comes to content creation, don't
ever think it. Make the video, post it because as
soon as it's starting, even if it flops, just make
another one.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Did you struggle?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Though? And I've spoken to Ash, who is two doting
Dad's Matt's co hosts. You know that our pods obviously
have a lot of overlap. I spoke to him about
this a couple of years ago because he was just
like your regular guy with all of his friends on
Instagram and he worked a regular job. And then I
was like, what was it like for you posting the
first videos? Because it can be strange for the people
(43:41):
that you actually know, like intimately, for them to be like,
what is this person now trying to.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Feel it is?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
And you've got you kind of got to get over
that hurt or then I mean, look, he's laughing now
like it's his whole career, it's your whole career.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
But only cringe because those people are doing what you
wish you could do when you don't do.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
There's also like a shift I feel of like when
they're trying to be an influencer to when they are
an influencer or a content creator however you want to
say it. And I also think it's quite funny. I
think about people on the Instagram stories when they're talking
to an audience. Do you know what, there's like a shift.
I had no followers at one point, and then all
of a sudden, I talk to my stories like they're
an audience. And I was like, when did that shift happen?
(44:20):
When did I go from like a person with no
followers to all of a sudden talk.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Like, hey guys, hey guys, this is what I'm doing
to you.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, there's like a shift. Maybe you've been sliding and
asking me about Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Many questions about my outfit. It's from here, here and here.
You know, there's definitely a shift when I don't know
when that happens for people, but there's definitely like a
cringe factor that you have to avoid that people are
going to judge you.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
You have to get over it. You just have to
post the videos.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I still have, Well, not anymore, I guess because I
it's my full time job and I've been doing it
for a while. But I had people being like, so,
how are your little videos going How are your little
videos going on?
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Like if you saw my little bank account, you know
they're doing well.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
If you saw my pay trouble, did you see my
house tour that I had to take down.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
You know how I did that.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah, but they definitely I had people being like, oh
I saw your video you know when I still worked
in retail. Oh it was really cute. And you know,
I mean I don't hear from them anymore, but you know,
there's definitely a cringe factor that you have to get past.
I still have people who I my content creator friends.
I have one who only posts on TikTok because she
doesn't want to post on Instagram because their friends are there.
(45:26):
And I was like, well, if they're not going to
support you, they're not your friends.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Firstly, that's wild. Yeah, she has like quite a large.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Following on TikTok as I just post it.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's different. It's different. Is I remember when I I
was in the hospital and I started a podcast. I
didn't want anyone to know. I remember the day. I
can remember the moment. I can still see every the
exact spot that I was when someone goes, did I
see that you had a podcast? And I went, what, No,
to be ridiculous that Schmidt Mey Cockley, that's a circumcisions.
(45:58):
But I remember being mortified and then I thought, why
am I embarrassed for trying to do something.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Oh? I do because there was a time. Because if
it doesn't work and you failed, that's when you feel
like how embarrassing. Everyone knows I tried and fail. But
I just think people are going to judge you no
matter what you do. People are gonna judge if you
do it, and they're going to judge you if you
don't do it, So you may as well be doing it.
You may as well be doing what you want.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
And who's laughing out?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah exactly what, Maddie. Thank you so much for coming
on today. It was such a pleasure to talk to you.
I can't wait to the Gastro reel.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah. No, I'm gonna write that down, Gustro.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Isn't that just such a content thing?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
All of us have a notes at where all of
our ideas go down. I remember being out for dinner
with like some radio anounces a couple of years ago,
and something happened and they saw every single one of
us just be like hang on, and we all pulled
out our phones and I was like, we all suck.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
It's so hard to get your brain out of it.
It's like someone falls off and breaks their arm, and
you're like, breaks arm, what did you break? Call out?
What you're not calling that?
Speaker 3 (47:01):
The ambulance you're writing down a content idea.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Thank you so much for coming on, and let's jump
in our Facebook discussion group. Everyone, let's do a hashtag
what is it? Maddie boyfriend gate?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Get my help who's slightly interested in social media but
not too interested?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Save me in your contact as Maddie links to.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
All of Maddie social media will be in our show
notes for anyone who doesn't already follow you so they
can follow a long Thanks so much for coming in.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Thanks guys,
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