October 28, 2025 • 49 mins
Hey Lifers and happy Halloween!
Britt really put in the effort this year but we can’t work out if she’s Gandalf or God.
Do you celebrate Halloween now or did you as a kid? We share some stories from our childhood about Halloween.
Britt has had a beauty mishap and Keeshia has gone wagatha mode to try and figure out which neighbour stole her bin.
Is it just sex or is there emotion? When it comes to cheating, is physical or emotional worse?
Lily Allen has dropped the break up album of all time that has us feeling like we are reading her diary. In it, she shares how her and her husband David Harbour (of Stranger Things fame) had an unconventional arrangement where he could have sex with other people, as long as it was ‘discreet’ and ‘paid for with strangers’. Lily later found out through snooping that David had been having an affair where they in fact, played tennis!
Today we wanted to unpack one particular line in her new music “is it just sex or is there emotion” and speak about how men and women seem to view emotional vs physical cheating differently.
Researchers asked what kind of betrayal, emotional or physical, would hurt more. They found that on average, men report feeling more distress over physical infidelity whereas women more often said that emotional betrayal, when a partner develops feelings or emotional closeness with someone else, was more painful.
Lily described the tracks as being "inspired by" what happened in her marriage, she says they are "not gospel" and that it’s “a mixture of fact and fiction.” We share how we feel about the woman who has been ‘outed’ in this and whether you can share so much that exposes other people without being clear on what’s real and what has been made up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
welcome back to another spooky episode of Live on Cut.
I'm Britney. Oh Kisha. Actually I can't look at you, Brittany.
(00:23):
She looks like gamb Off. Okay, this is how Halloween episode.
Keisha's here. Laura's vomitoria leads to Keisha is barely here
because she's pas a virus for like four months and
she almost didn't make it in today. Yeah, I'm sorry,
I do. Actually I am asking for a little bit
of grace today.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
If I'm not laughing as much as possible, it's not
because Brittany is less funny today. It's actually just because
I'm struggling. When I laugh, I tend to cough, so
I'm kind of trying to pull the reins in. But
you know that I absolutely love Halloween. It is like
my favorite thing that happens throughout the year that I
actually get involved with.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I like to decorate for last year, I.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Wore my spooky ghost buns. Laura thought I was coming
from the Handmaid's Tale. You did.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, so last year, like we didn't dress up or anything,
but Kei she did her hair in some little buns
and she had like little ghost things on them, and
Kesh was a bit upset that. I think quote you said,
put in more effort, Brittany, and so as your boss.
As your boss, I took that constructive criticism on board.
And if you guys put in every effort today, you don't.
I just ate my own hair, this costume. If you
(01:25):
guys haven't gone on to YouTube, please do, because then
you'll see what we're talking about. I have delivered for Keisha.
I have delivered. I don't know what I am. I
don't know if I'm Gandalf. Someone asked me if I
was God.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You are wearing an all white outfit, so it kind
of does lean into the god vibes.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's a wizard Gandalf or God.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What I'm liking the most is that the mustache isn't
hanging down, It's hanging out, like what is it like
a veranda Laura?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
But look at when I laugh or breathe.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like did you celebrate Halloween as a kid?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Was it? Like? Kind off the table? So where have
we moved on from my costume? Is it? Oh? Sorry?
I just thought you'd give me a like a rating
or be impressed or something.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Sorry, I am very impressed. It actually is absolutely hilarious.
But like I said, I'm trying not to laugh too much.
But as I walked in the room, I was behind
the wall and I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
See you, And you said, who goes there? What on
earth is she talking about? Because I do lean in,
I'm method act, so yeah, I have leaned into it.
I am going to spoiler. This is going to come
off in about ten minutes. There is no way this
can stay off. And we have a huge interview with
someone very famous straight after this, and I cannot a
be wearing this. Could you imagine? I think she love
(02:38):
it or we were interviewing, I'm so excited, Like I am.
It's one of those what is my life things that
I'm having at the moment. But I A, I cannot
be in this costume. B I think it might be
leaving some kind of a rash. No, I think it's
like it's like I'm getting a mustache rush. So it's
a disaster. Anyway, you look fantastic. I appreciate the efforts
(02:59):
so much.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Also, of all of the hair colors you've ever had,
Gray's never been one of them, so it really brings
out your eyes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I do fight my grays, that's why. But no, okaish
to answer your question, we weren't an overly big Halloween family.
Now cast your minds back. I am thirty early to
mid late thirties, and so when we were kids, it
wasn't a huge thing yet, and we were in like
a smaller town. There weren't that many streets like streets,
or that many houses that contributed like that wanted to
(03:29):
be a part of it, and so it was just
a bit creepy, like there'd just be one random house
and you'd be like, who's actually in there? Like, who's
that person that's like come in? Kids? So I think
my parents were a bit like and I always remember
my mum saying this, it's too American. Yes, she used
to say that statement all the time as kids, but
I think now it's like everyone does it now.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well everyone also says like it's American, it's commercialized, And
I'm like, yeah, but what in our life isn't.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So is Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Valentine's Day's arguably more like at least the treats for
Halloween are pretty cheap. Actually, that's not true. I went
to the grocery store yesterday and stocked up. They have
really got cost of living.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
No, do you know what it is? It's like weddings.
You know, when you get married or you have a party.
The second you say wedding, everything's more. It's the same
for Valentine's Day, Christmas, Easter, like chocolate's more at Easter
because it's Easter. They slap like a holiday price tag
on stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm so sorry, seriously, but I think the reason I'm
so into Halloween as an adult is because now that
I'm an adult, I have free will and I'm able
to make choices for myself. Because when I was a kid,
I've kind of got some like really bad memories around
Halloween because you.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Were the one that went to that creepy house.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, no, I went to public schools my whole life.
But when I started school, my family weren't religious, and
then my dad found God while we actually and my
mum while we were at school.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So what age when they you were you when they
were like born.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Again, Probably about seven or something like that. Anyway, my
dad he's the type of person who when he gets
into something, he like really gets into something. To be fair,
he really doesn't like he's got conviction.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He really follows through.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Still now like thirty years later, yep, yep, still completely
follows through. But that meant that we weren't allowed to
do anything that had anything to do.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
With witchcraft or wizardry.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So in October at my primary school, they used to
like do Halloween crafts and arts and like decorate the room.
And whenever everyone was doing that, my dad said that
I had to sit outside and do math.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Oh my god, do you want to know something so funny?
It was the opposite. My parents made me do the
same thing, but when it was scripture like Bible studies,
like they said they didn't want you to be a
part of that. Yeah, they took us out of that,
and we would do the same thing. You'd go to
the library and you have to do homework on math
(05:46):
or read. And that was because like my parents, I
don't know, I guess you'd call them agnostic a theists,
But there we are. We are non believers. Having said that,
I'm baptized, like we're baptized. It was a weird thing.
He just baptized your kids, then you didn't have to.
So we were in scripture. And then if you guys
have little kids in the car right now, turn it off.
We're going to talk about some stuff. So this is
(06:08):
your spoiler. Blood at ARG three two one, they just
started saying that to my brother and a few of
us that like they there was one that was just
an extreme teacher. It was like, you're going to hell
for doing this, this and this. You can't. They were
like against Christmas and things like that. They were sort
of outing the Easter bunny and things like that. You know,
(06:28):
like it was just my My parents were like, this
is not what you're supposed to be learning. This person
is extreme and I'm taking you out. Especially when they
said my brother was going to hell. Mom was like,
that's it. She also talks out at gymnastics. But that's
another story. She said gymnastics was too scared. I was.
She did. She's like, there's no more Bible and you
better believe you're not going back to gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I wonder how they deal with it now, Like I
wonder how I mean, teachers and stuff address it, because
I guess we've become a lot more accepting of different
religions and different cultures and like the things that you
can do for different holidays and that kind of thing.
I wonder how they I don't know. If you're a teacher,
I would actually.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Love to know.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Do you still do things like Halloween crafts? Do you
still do things like Christmas? Do you also celebrate other
like minority religions and do things to celebrate their holidays
at your school too?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, my I think they do. I think what they
do now is they celebrate everyone. My sister Sherry and
her daughter, So my little niece, Maya Mayer is half
Indian and so at she's only one. She turned one
like a month or two ago, but at her preschool
they celebrate all the days, and so the Indian day
(07:40):
of celebration is called Duali, and so if for though
she's only one, they had like a Duali Day and
they got to like celebrate. They get like a little
Indian cuisine and it's really cute. And even though they're
only one, they're starting to introduce those things at that age,
and I think that's really cool. So any kids from
from anywhere get to like have their special day, and
I think it's really cool. So I can only imagine
(08:01):
if they're doing that at preschool. That's what's carried into
school now, but I don't think there would be I
think you would be hard pushed to find a teacher
at a public school now that's allowed to tell kids
they're going to hell.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Like fut I think you'd be hard pushed to find
a parent who's able to say that their kid has
to sit outside and do math.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I know, so then you're okay, let's just like unpack
that a little bit, caish. This is crazy. So what
would happen if your dad saw you with me? Now?
You'd be grounded.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think Dad's kind of let that ship sail. I
think I'm a bit of a lost cause in his mind.
If he had any idea.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
He's got no fucking clue if he had to be saved,
Like if he had any idea.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What I've spoken about on this podcast, he would probably
he would actually have a heart attack, Like I.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Think it would genuinely put him into a coma. Not
even what you've spoken about, just the life. People have
just been reckless. You've been living your best life since
I met you.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So and weirdly enough, I don't really use math anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So so here's a question what happened then? Because I
can only imagine you would have been like you must
have been eight nine ten when like Harry Potter and
suff came out. Did you have to bypass? Is that?
That's a touchy subject.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's a touchy subject, mostly because my grandparents purchased the
books for my brother and my dad burnt them in the.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Fire, shut the front door. I can't, I actually can't.
I didn't John, you got given Harry Potter or my
brother did? And Dad, Oh my god, in front of you?
It was a cold winter. Did they do this in
front of you? Yeah? I thought you knew that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I thought that that's why you were leading us down
that track.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I knew were bad. I got goosebumps. Yeah, we didn't
go and watch that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I didn't watch the Harry Potter films until I was
like a later teenager. I really missed out.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
On some good cultural moments. You didn't try to expel
to save the books? Is that in the wrong time,
like read the room?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I didn't know what the spells were.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I hadn't read them. We were allowed to watch TV
and stuff. I'm really getting into this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, And to be fair, this isn't just a part
of the church.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
This was just my Dad's.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Interpretation of it, Like, there were plenty of other families
that we went to church with that watched all different
kinds of shows and partook in whatever they wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You didn't be left out like I felt it so
left out with us. Now they're doing an addition at no.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm algebra at ten.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I mean, when they die a world was like on
the Harry Potter train, you're like Harry, who you Meanwhile
you're at home, locked under the stairs.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Ah, lots too unpack.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's funny, you know. You hear all these people say
that when there's extreme parenting either way, you always hear
that those kids end up rebelling and or doing the
opposite of whatever their childhood was. And I think that
probably from twenty eight on was when you really hear
your rebel period. I think you're like, I'm going to
show you dud.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, potentially, Like, I don't know. There's also some things
that I've thought about only in the last probably year
and a half.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
To be real, I'm sorry I stopped right there. I
can't have such a serious conversation with you with this on,
Like I feel like you're you're unpacking your heart here
and your trauma, and I'm looking like this, let me
take it off. A has come on. I'm probably gonna
get some kind of a disease from Oh my god,
bridge stripping, why men have feel better? Do you have
(11:11):
another one that's a headman? That's just good? Oh yeah,
I've got the heart one. Oh yeah, have that? Okay,
now that you've changed.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I've actually only kind of really started to unpack this
in the last probably year and a half. Like I
spent a lot of my twenties being quite resentful of
anything to do with religion, Like it made me quite
angry about some of the the things that I was
told kind of came from religion that I've later found
out don't necessarily. I'm talking about things like the gay
(11:41):
marriage plebiscite and all that kind of thing, where I
was just angry about a lot of you know, maybe
what I missed out on or that kind of thing.
But it's only been in the last probably year and
a half that I've actually realized that some of the
values that I got from the church itself and from
that type of upbringing are actually incredible, and it really
has made me shift gears on the way that I
(12:02):
view religion. In total, Like, there was a big part,
probably almost a decade, where I really pushed back on
the establishment of religion, and I still have issues with that,
but I just thought it was also corrupt and it
was all, you know, people trying to take money from
vulnerable people and preach these messages and they didn't necessarily
(12:22):
live up to them in their own lives and that
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And like, don't get me wrong, that exists.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
There will be, you know, circumstances where that exists in
every single religion. It's not specific to the one I
grew up with. But yeah, I've also come to realize
that some of the values, particularly around community and like
turning up for people and having a village and being
there to support each other, those types of values were
probably more important to be brought up with than what
you know, doing Halloween nots and crafts. So like, I
(12:47):
just want to kind of put that in as the counter.
I don't want anyone who's listening to this, who maybe
even had a similar upbringing or they're putting that similar
upbringing on to their children now to be like, well,
hang on, you've only said the negative side of it.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I don't feel like I missed out.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
On anything, and if anything, I think that some of
those values have like kind of been cemented in me
that have been really important as an adult. And yeah,
now I can dress up for Halloween as much as
I want. And I also got Little Bonnie, my six
month old Australian shepherd, a costume to wear. So I've
got a little Halloween bag for us to take to
the park for all of the treats for the dogs
(13:22):
on Halloween.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Did you think people going to treat their dog at
the path? Like people gonna like, what are you going
to try and beg for dog treats? Like plan?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Like is this going to go down or the dog
park that I've started going to now most people have
treats because they're training their dogs and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So I think we're just.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Gonna have like a lineup of dogs getting treats for
the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Oh my god, I think you've got big expectations for
what is going to happen at your local dog bike.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
God, Bonnie a little pumpkin costume.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's very so cute. I got Delilah one, but it
was too small, you know those ones from Timu that
look she was fashiamed by the vet we've been working
on that just passhames by. Everyone sick of it, just
sick of it. Let it live a best life, Let
it eat a night shows with me. Hey, just this
is so dumb. I almost almost fucking did the worst
(14:13):
thing ever to my face accidentally. So I love makeup,
beauty stuff whatever, you know. I like my skincare. I
like to like your skincare. I love my skin.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You have never seen a single human being as you
walk into Britney's bathroom. There's no countertop, It's just shoducs.
Like You've never seen someone with as many skincare or
hair care products in your life.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, I love a product. I do, and I think
it's important to keep your skin on its toes. So
like sometimes I mix and match products. Anyway, that's not
always about I got a pr package. So sometimes occasionally
something will turn up at your house from a brand
that has had your address for some other reason, and
it doesn't happen much anymore. But I got this little
package sent to me with a few different new beauty
(14:59):
products to try, like just little tidbits and some nail
scissors and just like some little stuff. But in there.
It was a an eyebrow brush. Oh yeah, yeah. And
now I usually try to get my eyebrows laminated and
wax and like maintained, but to be honest, I probably
do it a third of the time I'm supposed to,
so like I end up letting them grow out. They
(15:19):
are like wooly mammoths. Months go past and then I
remember and then I go in. Anyway, in it was
a little eyebrow brush. And the thing was like a
brow shaper, that was what it was called. So it's
like a razor or. Was it like one of the
spoolies that you used to brush a mark. Well, it
was a spooly it was, but I thought it was
a spooly sorry shaper. And so thank god it was
(15:47):
a sunny day. And now let me tell you why
the sun is important. I was like, yes, shape are brilliant.
I had never seen an at home razor blade. So anyway,
I get this thing out. I just did look at it.
I read the name, got it out. It's got like
a long handle, and so I picked it up and
I was in my laund room, and my laund room
has like a beautiful big mirror right near the window.
(16:09):
And it gets it's the only place that gets natural lights.
So like any video you've ever seen at my house,
he's done in this one natural light corner. Otherwise I
live in a dungeon, and so it's not something you
need to look in the mirror for. And I only
looked at the last minute, so it's like slow emotion.
I'm bringing the spool up to my eyebrow and I
could have just walked around and done it. And as
I went to look in the mirror and it was
(16:30):
just touching my in front of my eye, the sun
and this is why it's so important. The sun shone
in and bounced off the raizor blade into the mirror,
and like I could see the light, and it was
like it's like divine intervention. It was like ah. And
just as the razor blade touched the corner of my eyebrow,
I realized what was happening, and I stopped. And now
(16:52):
I've lost maybe two little hairs, that is it. But
I Keisha nearly wiped my entire eyebrows off. What the fuck? Browshaper?
Browshaper needs to be more specific. It needs to be
called brow brow razor blade. It's a it was a
razor blade, Like, how did I not even see that?
Did you not feel like the tension? Though? Yeah, only
(17:13):
when it touched me, But it touched me at the
exact same time, Like I could have taken my eyeball out,
Like I came in real hot with that thing. I
was like, imagine if I was just walking around comb
in my brows.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I want to defend you, but I kind of think
I might be on the packaging of the.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Product shape for this shaper though, like m it was ambiguous.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I feel like most people would probably read what it
says on the box before they go in.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't know how to use it, but I just
don't know if we should be sending racers around willingly.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That reminds me of because I love a bit of
a beauty DIY at home situation, mostly because I'm a
tight ass, but also secondly because I don't like the
time it takes to get things done and like to
drive to the appointments and I'm just a bit impatient
and that's a you know, personality flaw. But one time
I die, and I die my eyebrows at home freakqu
(18:00):
Like probably every three weeks or so.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You have offered to die. Mind before, where is this?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, you've got dark hair when you're blonde. You've got
to be really careful because sometimes it will say like
light brown on the packet that she is not light brown.
That is like one shade off of being jet black.
And it says on the packet to leave it on
for like ten minutes. I leave mine on for ninety
seconds and.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They're still quite dark. So this is the first time
that I.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Used this particular one that claimed it was light brown.
I ended up having absolute slugs of eyebrows.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
For like two weeks. I had to put foundation on
them to.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Try and like lighten them down so bad.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
He's giving on Carrie Delavin that's hot. It was not hot.
That we was too dark and too thick.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And also I needed to learn to like less is
more when it comes to die.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I really slapped it on.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Thinking it wouldn't be sucked up by my skin as
much as it was. So it wasn't just the head
that was dyeing. It was also the skin in the
shape around them. It looked so bad photo of that.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because you can't do anything about either, you have to commit.
You're like, well, these are just on for a while.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, I just had to try and use Knceala.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
What would I have actually done? I know you have
fake eyelashes, A stick on browser thing, you would have probably,
I mean, we've got to stick.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
On merkans now, So maybe it's Kim Kardashian's next thing.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It's sex stick on brow. You just would have worn
you wig the whole episode today, we're asking the question
that Lily Allen has been asking. Is it just sex
or is their emotion? Now, you guys might have seen
Lily Allen has just dropped her seventh studio album. It's
called West End Girl. But a bit of background on
(19:36):
Lily Allen in case you haven't been following along the
last couple of years. So Lily got married to David Harbor. Now,
David Harbor was an actor from Stranger Things. I think
that's what he is the most known for. That's the
only thing I know him for. So in twenty nineteen
they got married, she moved to New York and they
by all accounts, you know, it looks like she got
her happy ever after. But four years later, so just
(19:58):
in December of twenty twenty four, so just December gone.
It sort of came out quite explosively that they'd broken up,
and not just broken up, that he had cheated on her.
And you'll remember Keish but I think we even spoke
about it here. But it wasn't just cheating. Lily kind
of said she went on a bit of a detective
mission on Raya, the dating app, to try and figure
(20:20):
out who he was cheating with.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, so this is because David and Lily actually initially
met on Raya, and so apparently this is like a
source to the Daily Mail, but someone who was apparently
close with Lily said that she was going onto the
dating app.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
She created a profile so that she could.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
See what other women were on there, and then she
was cross referencing it with who David was following on
Instagram and trying to work out, you know, who he
might have been seeing or who he might have been
talking to from Raya. And I know a lot of
people would be like, wow, that's crazy, but like, I've
been there before, Lily, and I actually know what it's
like to be in the headspace of being like who
(20:55):
possibly could be next? Like it's such an unhealthy place
to be.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And that's even the thing before we get into the
wild ride that is this new album. It's like an xpoze.
But even just going back to that last year, it's
insane that someone you love and that you're married to
can make you feel so crazy to go and do that,
because so many people's first thought around that time was like,
you know, okay, crazy lady, like get alive. But there's
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a reason a woman feels like they need to do that,
Like there is something that is driving you to figure
it out, and then once you get in it, it's
really hard to get out of it. Like once you
get into the trying to go through the phone or
linking things or looking at their follow account, why is
he liking this is? Where was he last night? Like
it sends you insane, and I think they're in this
new album.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I'm not sure if you guys have all listened to
it or not, but she's being very honest in it.
There are things in here that I'm like, Wow, I
don't know if I would be able to admit in
real time that that was my own behavior. And I'm
really I quite like the fact that she's going there
like it is beyond vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It is so completely honest.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
When I was listening to this, I kind of felt
as though I was like reading someone's or listening and
eavesdropping in on a conversation between two very close friends
that I wasn't supposed to be listening to.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's exactly that, isn't it cash just like her diary
because the way she's written it is a story from
the first song on the album until the end. All
the way tells the story from the start of their
marriage and relationship when they got together through to the end.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, and it's also being reported that she wrote and
recorded this album in just ten days.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It's giving. Ten days. It's giving.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I'm vomiting out every single emotion that I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's giving. I've made a fucking decision right now, and
I'm going to do it, and I don't want to
think about.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It how I regret it later, So let's just do
it now. Well, I mean, this is like quite chaotic headspace,
but we wanted to run through some of the songs
that are on the album, some of the lyrics from them,
so that we can talk about this, is it just
sex or is it emotion? So the album actually begins
with Lily falling in love, moving to New York, as
Britz said, with her two daughters and setting up a
home in a nice little rental nearest, sweet little school.
(22:58):
But the first signs of trouble kind of began when
she was cast in that West End play. The lyrics
go on to say, that's when your demeanor started to change.
You said that I'd have to audition, and I said
that you're deranged.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, she's basically saying like I'm Lily Allen.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I interpreted it that way. I interpreted it that this
was kind of him almost like putting her down a
little bit and making her a little bit smaller than
perhaps what she was, because she went on to be
nominated for the plays that she was in, like and
by all accounts it sounds as though she was absolutely phenomenal.
So that was my interpretation of those lyrics.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, she goes on later in the album to sort
of start to give the gospel their sex life. So
there are lyrics in the third track sleepwaloking been no
romance since we weard why aren't we fucking baby? Yeah,
that's what you said, but you let me think it
was me in my head and nothing to do with
them girls in your bed. That's brilliant lyrics, but she's
pretty much been like you gas lit me when you
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were going to fuck someone else, so's she's one hundred
percent outed that he has been cheating, and.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That becomes very apparent. In the fourth track, it is
labeled Tennis. She speaks about this mysterious woman called Madeline
in the impact that that particular woman is having on
their relationship. The lyrics go, and by the way, the
reason that we can't include all of this as the
actual lyrics is because we don't want to get done
for copyright. So that's why I've written. I are reading
about the lyrics say, I can't get my head around
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how you've been playing tennis. If it was just sex,
I wouldn't be jealous, you won't play with me? And
who the fuck is Madeline?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Okay, I loved this one. I love this you know
why because this opens up such a big conversation for
people and women everywhere, men as well, But like, let's
be real, just more women are going to relate to
this story Tennis. She's upset that he's playing tennis. Now,
it's not that he's playing tennis, but she's upset that
the cheating has gone to something physical. In the sporting arena,
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not just physical. What Lily unpacks further on is that
they very evidently had an open relationship. They had an agreement,
and we know this because she speaks about it in
her diary that she's released.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
To the world.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
She speaks ou about the fact that they had these
rules where it was supposed to be in a hotel room.
She said, it's supposed to be paid. I'm assuming it
means you can have like escorted, paid sex with someone
that you don't know. She says that they have to
be a stranger. She alludes to it being She's okay
with an open relationship as long as they followed these
very strict rules. Wasn't supposed to be anything emotional, wasn't
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supposed to be anything in public, and was supposed to
be very discreet. And so tennis is where she's upset
because she knows he's physically going out and hanging out
outside of those confined four walls. He's doing things with
her that a normal couple would do, like ie playing tennis.
So this leads us to the million dollar question that
is so different between men and women? But what is
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worse the emotional cheating or the physical cheating. Obviously they're
both bad, but in this instance, David's done both.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
In the song, after Britt is talking about tennis, it's
called Madeline, Lily sings, how long has it been going on?
Is it just sex or is their emotion? He told
me it would stay in hotel rooms, never be out
in the open. Why would I trust anything that comes
out of his mouth? And there has been a little
bit more, I guess, reporting on the fact that Lily
has come out and said that these stories that she's
(26:15):
singing about, they are not necessarily one hundred percent true.
Like she said that some of it's fact and some
of it is fiction, and maybe this is a bit
of an amalgamation of her own experiences and other people's experiences,
which I think both of us think is a little
bit murky and muddy water when it comes to saying
things that seem this honest where there are real people involved.
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But we'll get into that a little bit later. Some
of the other lyrics, there's this part of the song
where it almost sounds as though it's like a back
and forth of a conversation, and she speaks it, and
so she is playing the character that we assume is
based on her. She's also playing the character that is
based on this Madeleine girl, and they almost have like
a conversation back and forth lyrics from Lily's side of
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things or the character that Lily says she's playing is
I'm not convinced that he didn't fuck you in our house.
We had an arrangement be discreet and don't be blatant.
There had to be payment, it had to be with strangers.
But you're not a stranger, Madeline.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Then Madeleine kind of responds in this and it has
been reported that these are potentially actual real text message
exchanges that happened between Lily and what has ended up
being this woman called Nicole. But we'll get onto that later.
So she replied with our relationship has only ever been
about sex. I can promise you that that this is
not an emotional connection. We don't speak outside of the
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time we spend together, and whenever he talks about you,
it is with utmost respect. I hate that you are
in so much pain right now. I really don't want
to be the cause of any upset. He told me
that you were aware that this was going on and
that he had your full consent. If he's lying about that,
then please tell me, because I have my own feelings
about dishonesty. Lies are not something I want to get
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caught up with. You can reach out to me at
any time, by the way, if you need any more details,
or if you just want to vent or anything. Love
and life, Madeleine.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
There's a last thing you want to hear from your
husband's mistress, is he speaks about you so much respect? Well,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I had this kind of two ways that I think
you can interpret this because this woman who has been
described as Madeleine in the songs.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
The real version of hers.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
The internet does what the internet does, and they've ended
up finding out who supposedly is. It's apparently a thirty
four year old costume designer named Natalie Tippett.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
She worked on a film with David in twenty twenty one.
It's called We Have a Ghost. And so she's kind
of been hounded by the press now and like a
lot of people are like, what's true, and she's basically
gone on to say, look, I have a two and
a half year old daughter. This is really full on
having this much attention and from the message exchange that
was in the song. It kind of sounds as though
he might have misled her into thinking that Lily actually
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did know about.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Their sexual relationship. Look, by all accounts, yes, I'm going
to assume that she went into it thinking she wasn't
doing anything wrong. A lot of people haven't open relationship,
but they did have an open relationship, but it wasn't
a kind of open relationship that David let her believe.
So I'm not blaming this woman at all. I just
think the last thing you want to hear is someone saying,
you know, when he was fucking me, he did speak
about you with respect, And I know she means well
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by that, but that must cut so deep. I'm not
blaming any of these women here. I'm just I'm absolutely
blaming David. But it does open up and bring us
back to this conversation and from the people that I've
had this conversation with in my real life. It very
much differs if you're a male or a female, and
there are actually some stats around it, but the way
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that different sexes look at emotional cheating and physical cheating,
which one hurts more and which one is seemingly worse,
is very very different, and Lily is obviously evidently far
more hurt by the fact that in their infidelity, it
was the fact that he was hanging out with her
and doing more than just sex. Like the sex is
one thing, but having a connection with someone like that
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is so much worse. And I have to admit, I
think I feel exactly the same if my partner was
cheating with a stranger and had sex right now. And
I know we've had these conversations briefly before, and I
know it doesn't sit right with everyone, and everyone's different,
and that's okay. Hypothetically, if my if I found out
my partner had cheated, had had sex with someone on
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a drunken night out, didn't know who it was, was
so apologetic, like I wouldn't even know how to find them,
no contact with them, stranger. And then I found out
that my partner was going and hanging out with somebody
and playing tennis and having coffee and having all these.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Does the tennis particularly hit you differently?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, my tennis player, So if you fucking go on playing, No,
But it's like it is okay. It was Ben, And
I found Ben was going and playing football and like
hanging out and they were like wrestling on the grass
and like having these moments and copies that's for me,
that's worse. I'm like, it's not just sex, there's feelings,
and there's can memories and experiences, and you're creating these connections.
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Like that's so much worse for me. Yeah, I feel
exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
There's actually been quite a few studies done asking this
exact question, and none of them are like super robust studies,
but all of the results seemed to kind of mirror
each other. So there was one study that found that
about sixty percent of people think emotional chreating is as
bad or worse than physical cheating. But like you said,
there did seem to be a little bit of a
gender divide. So while everyone will kind of view infidelity
(31:22):
differently and what constitutes an emotional affair, I think we
all have kind of different lines in the sand, But
on average, men reported feeling more distressed over physical infidelity.
So there was a study published in the Journal of
Evolution and Human Behavior where researchers ask college students to
imagine their partner having sex with someone else or falling
in love with someone else, and a majority of men
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said that the physical betrayal would upset them more. But
in contrast, women in those same studies most often said
that it was the emotional betrayal, So when a partner
would develop feelings for someone else rather than just having
sex with them, that they would find that to be
more painful. And so, yeah, based on these studies, I
kind of think that I fit into the norm for women,
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you know, like I personally would find an emotional affair
harder to kind of get over.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And I do wonder why that might be.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It might be because I think that there's more of
an investment, and I think that there's more time, more consideration.
There's potentially like a longer period of that time that
the betrayal has been happening as well, whereas a physical
infidelity can be a moment in time. And I don't know,
I can't really work out why that doesn't feel as
jarring for me.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It depends, right, I'm only talking about physical cheating. If
it was like a one off with someone you don't know.
Of course, it's bad if it's been someone that've been
physically having an affair with for months or a year
or whatever. But that's also because that's when these two
become entwined like, the second you elongate a physical relationship,
you're going to come parts of the emotional relationship. We're
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going to come into it as well. And a lot
of these women in the study went on to say
the reason that they're more upset by emotional and fidelities
because they feel like it means their partner's alread left
a relationship anyway. So I guess it's not just the
fact that they've connected with someone, it's the jarring pain
of well, they're not even here anymore, Like you're not
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in the relationship if you are connecting with someone else
in there your go to person. And you know, we
love a pole caish, but I would love to poll
you guys, because every time we speak about cheating, it
is so divisive, and of course it's divisive. There are
so many shades of grain a relationship. It depends on
your situation, what they've done, who's done what, How long
are you okay with it? You know, there's no such
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thing as black and white cheating. And every time we
speak about it, we get an army of people come
and say they support what we've said. We an army
people come and say, like, absolutely not, how would you
can doin that, and that's so fine, Like we're not
here to yuck anyone's yum and tell you how to
run your relationship. But I don't think you can put
a blanket statement on it. But I would love to
know just to see if we get the same results
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as these studies about like, if you're a woman, what
is worse for you emotional cheating or physical cheating? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I also the way that I kind of interpreted Lily's album,
to me, it felt as though it was someone who
initially had a set of guidelines and boundaries for their
relationship that was eventually eroded. And I think it would
be pretty classic of a relationship between a narcissistic person
and someone who was gradually having their self esteem chipped
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away out. Now there is additional context to this. I
read that, you know, Lily had written about in her
memoir that in her previous marriage she actually had cheated
on her husband with female sex workers, and so that
was also, you know, coincided with her journey to do
with drugs and alcohol, and she's been sober for five
years now, So to me, I kind of read the
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album that she initially went into the marriage with a
certain set of like, this is what we agree to,
and then over time those things seemed to kind.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Of get further and further away from what she wanted.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I could be projecting, but that was how I felt
about a lot of the things that she was saying
in this relationship. I was like, Oh, I remember being
with an arcissistic person, and I remember thinking that I
would never do those things, and then six months down
the track, you end up kind of going like, what
the fuck am I doing? I'm looking up people's Instagram
accounts to see if he's followed them and whether they're
may be sleeping together right now. Like to me, that
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was how I kind of felt about her relationship. But
the last question I have for you, Britt, has to
do with, like, I know, we asked the question a
lot of like who gets to tell a story? But
I do find it a little bit concerning that Lily
has kind of come out and said like, oh, this
isn't necessarily completely a true story about my own relationship
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when the people who were involved are so easily identifiable,
and it's pretty damning.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Well she said, look, she said, it's a bit of
fact and a bit of fiction spring put in and
she hasn't really definitively said which is what and what
is which. She has also said that it is inspired
by her life. I agree with you as much as
I'm like fuck rite at Dawn Lily like.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I love that she is taking control of her story
and he's like fuck you. The problem I have, and
where I think it gets really dangerous, is if you're
sprinkling a lot of mistruths in there alongside some pretty
explosive truths. It's not ideal for the people involved, because
we know what a public pylon can be like. And
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if somebody hasn't done something but they're being led to believe,
the public's being led to believe they have, I just
don't think that that is a very fair place to
put them, because who are we to then say what's
real and what's not in this story? In this very long,
sad diary entry.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I also think it's interesting that I was reading quite
a few of the comments on her Instagram page, and
most of them were like along the lines of what
an amazing day for everyone except for David Harbor, or
like it would all be like all of this except
for David Harbor, or I've never hated a man that
I didn't know in the way that I hate David Harbor.
He has turned off comments on every single one of
his Instagram posts, so I turned off my Instagram. He
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has like eight million followers, Like he's actually objectively a
bigger star than what she is. So I guess in
a way, she probably feels as though it's punching up
rather than punching down.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But yeah, like the only kind of problem.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I firstly, I loved the fact that this, to me,
it sounded so nostalgic, like it sounded like Lily Allen
from two decades ago in the music that I love
from her. But there was a little bit of gray
for me in the fact that these people are real people.
And if if you're not going to be explicit about
what is factual and what is a personal experience versus
what is just like creative license, I feel like that's
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a little bit danger.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You can just like label the song like Madeline truth
Tennis face, but.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Her name is actually in a cale.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah. Do you know. The last thing I want to
say is and I feel like, because I've been there
is I do feel for the other woman quote unquote,
if by all accounts what she's saying is true, which
I do. I believe that it's true. I have no
doubt that she truly believed it was just sex and
they were in a an open relationship. Literally was cool
with it. We have to take it face value in
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the song that you know, she's exchanged her texts and whatever,
that's what they've said has happened. The feeling of when
you find that out of being the other woman and
having ruined a relationship unintentionally is still the worst feeling.
And I say that because I was the other woman
for years but I didn't know it, and as we
were in an open relationship as well, but I didn't
know that either. I didn't know either of If you
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knew the podcast briefly, but you will remember I dated
somebody for a few years, two years, and I thought
they were my person, and it came out that they
had this whole double life. It was not an open relationship.
We had plans to marry and have kids and buy
our houses and you know, do all these wonderful things.
And then I found out that he was in another
relationship the whole time, but not only the whole time
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I had been with him. For about two years, and
she had been in for six years, so I was
the other woman. I came in after they had been
together for four years, and I had no idea, Like
I thought i'd met my penguin, and I'll never forget.
The pain was interchangeable. I couldn't figure out what was
hurting more. The pain that I felt of what I
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had imagined or what I had known or been led
to believe was one thing, that your relationship has ended
in like this horrific way, and that he had cheated
on me. But then when I realized it wasn't just
cheating on me, but I was that person for someone else,
so like I was the one that had ruined a
six year relationship, and whilst I didn't know it, that
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pain for me there was like a pendulum, like I
would just feel so sorry for myself and be like,
I can't believe he's done this to me while with me,
and then I'd be like, hang on a fucking second,
imagine this time's three because she's been with him for
six years, Like that's so much. And I remember having
to say to her and I'm so glad she believed me,
And that's why I want to give this woman the
benefit of dat. I remember just saying to her, like,
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I feel like I can't even I'm not allowed to
feel what I'm feeling because you're feeling it's so much
worse and you're you're like the main woman, like and
I kept saying the main woman. And she was so wonderful.
She was like, you can feel it too, because you
had your own life. She was really good. But that
maybe why I'm giving her a little bit of grace
in this situation is because I was like, fuck, I
have been there, and it just adds more spice.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Maybe you've actually kind of just like discovered why women
seem to feel more hurt by emotional affairs. Though maybe
it's actually because when you have an emotional connection with someone,
you have future plans, like you have the things that
you're talking about that you are going to connect on
in the future as well. It's not necessarily just a
past experience. Like maybe that's actually why we struggle so
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much with the concept of our partner falling in love
with someone else rather than just sleeping with them.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And you know what it is now we're just are
sitting in this it's a feeling like you had something
special and unique and a shared experience and realizing you didn't.
And I say that because there were things like he
and I had discussed our kids' names, and then when
her and I discovered this the other woman, they had
the same kids names picked out, everything was identical.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
It would make you feel so insignificant.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Oh, you're like, Oh. I remember saying to him, was
any of it real? I remember saying, did you actually
love me? And for some reason, that was the question
that all I wanted him to say was yes. And
I wanted him to say yes because I wanted to
feel like it wasn't a complete waste of time. And
even though his love, his idea of love is so
disturbed and so cooked, in that moment, I was like,
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just give me one semblance that the last two years
had something real in it. But that's why, because all
of a sudden, all of our shared experiences were taken
and they weren't mine anymore. They were with another woman.
And I'm going to assume now we just unpacked it
without meaning to you. That's why emotional is worse it
could be.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And actually, one of her last songs on the album,
these are some of the lyrics and this is what
will kind of end with.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
She said, don't come home.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I don't want you in my bed. Go to the
apartment in the West Village Instead. I found a shoe
box full of handwritten letters from broken heart women wishing
you could have been better, hundreds of trojans. You're so
fucking broken. How to get caught up in your double life?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well it is time for accidentally unfiltered. This might go
down right for some people, but obviously not for her. Okay,
So my mom bought me some fake sunflowers. I told
her I had no idea where I'd put them, but
I loved them, so I'll put them somewhere special and
send her a photo to let her know. So I
found a spot in the bathroom and took the picture,
sent them on and said how much I love them.
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I was about to fall asleep when I had that moment,
you know where something just hits you and you have
a memory, And I remembered I had left my giant
dildo trying on the bathrack right next to the sunflowers.
I had sent it to her. She I had sent
her a picture of my giant dick and flowers. She
simply replied, nice flowers, sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I love that you didn't address the fact that there
was actually something else in the picture, and she was
just like, we're both going to pretend that this hasn't
have I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Know what i'd prefer. I don't know if i'd prefer
just to pretend it didn't happen. I'd probably write back
to my mum and just say, well, wops, doll eat
that just crop it for you.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Know how some people, when you receive a photo, it
will automatically save to your camera roll. Yeah, I think
you'd have to go in and say please, just if
you're ever going if.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
You are one of those people, please crop. All right,
let's wrap suck and sweetkish.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
My suck this week is that actually it's probably a
suck from the past only three months so, and I
might have spoken about this here and there on the podcast,
but I really have been so unwell, like so unbelievably unwell.
And I actually ended up editing an episode that we
recorded in August, and in that episode I had to
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stop down and cough a lot. And so I know
that I've had this really horrible cough for at least
like two and a half to three months now, and yeah, anyway,
this is like such a classic if you're with someone
in the medical profession, you will relate to this so much.
Because for weeks, my partner had been away for work
here and there, like he's been back and forth quite
(44:05):
a lot, and so I'd been saying to him like,
this cough is really bad. It's really bad, it's really bad.
And this whole time he'd been like, you're right, You're right,
You'll be fine, Like it's just a cough, you know,
it's just a crozy by cough. You'll be sweet. And
I eventually saw him after about three weeks and he
put a stethoscope on my back.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
He turned in and he's like, ah, yeah, we need
to go to the pharmacy.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
And I was like, oh, okay, you know, and he
was like, you've actually gotten I think you sound like
you've got your money.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You were like actually relieved.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
You were like, yes, Like, I feel like you've been
guess ladding me for three weeks. Anyway, So I was
on antibodotics for a couple of weeks and things got
a little bit better, and they've kind of seemingly returned
to being quite bad again. So we think that I
might actually have hooping cough. And come to think of it,
I think that I have let my vaccine lapse. You
know how you're supposed to get it every five years.
(44:54):
I'm pretty sure I got it like six or seven
years ago, and I just wasn't really thinking about it,
and so I guess this is the result of when
you don't have it. And so yeah, we now think
that I've had hooping cough. And this cough just.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
It won't go away.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They call it like the one hundred day cough, and
it's been Yeah, it's been.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Awful, and you're going to get my booster tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Actually, I wonder if I can get the booster now
or if I'm gonna have the anybody don't not touch
it right now though, you'd just like six three deathbed.
So that is my overarching suck, and my suite is
that over the weekend I got to catch up with
some friends. So when I was living in Bendigo, I
made really close friends with two girls that live down there,
and they were just like they were really my life
(45:31):
raft over that COVID period where we were in the
horrendous Victorian lockdowns, and we became really close really quickly,
and I hadn't seen her for like two and a
bit years since her wedding, and her and her husband
came up and they stayed with me over the weekend.
And you know when you just have that beautiful feeling
of catching up with old friends that you haven't seen
for ages, but it also feels as though no time
(45:52):
has passed it all that. I had that feeling for
the whole weekend. So, yeah, that was a real nice suite.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
That's like you Yeah, Okay, my suck is I It's okay.
It was one of Laura's earrings. I'll just say it.
I dropped an earring down the drain. Oh no, and
it was one of Laura's earrings. But she might not
listen to this.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
It's going into Tony.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Can I please have a replace them? I know the girls,
So I'm gonna ask you. I'll hit her up from
a Yeah, wait, which drain did it go down? It
just don't a drain at my home. But I can't.
I tried to get it off. It's tired, it's not
I can't get a plumber to come and undo it.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I'll come and help. I've done this before. Have you
got like an spend drain. Yeah, it's got an s mate.
I'm di y Central. I'll come over with my steel
caps on just I won't need with your steel caps
I put I did put them on to the wall.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Over.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
My sweet is that I have managed to secure Oasis
tickets and yes, Kisha, you can come with me.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I know they're so hard to get. Yeah, actually we
got a good tick. My partner's going to faint when
he his Yeah, so Oasis is here. Oasis, Like, if
you guys are a bit younger listening, you probably don't care.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Interestingly connected to Lily Allen, she did come out and
shay that that thing that happened on a plane with
I think it was Liam p Yeah, Quobia might have
been moll, but they definitely hooked up when they shouldn't
have been. She found out later that he was actually
still married.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah. I mean they were like, at one point one
of the biggest bands in the world, and they were
I think they could have had any woman they wanted to.
I think they went through a phase of being very
desirable and they hate each other. Well, they're back because
they got Peter Motza, so they're brothers. They had a
big fooling out if you don't know hated each other.
No one really knows what or why, but no one
gives a fuck. They're back together for a two hoff.
(47:43):
They're obviously been Peter Wantza and everyone's like, whatever, we'll
pretend you guys like each other just to go. But
I'm absolutely thrilled. So we got tickets for next week.
Will That is super exciting.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
I have some friends that went to the concert in
the UK and they just said it was like otherworldly,
like once in a lifetime type situation.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I was to say, I also have friends in the UK,
but it's not. Its Vogue Williams, and I just listened
to her podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's the parasocial relationship we have.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
So Vogue Ween said it was amazing. Yeah, she didn't
tell me that. She just said on the pot she
did tell you, your friend. She basically told me, well, that
is it from us today, guys.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
I would love to know what you thought about, particularly
the chat about Lily Allen and like, who firstly has
the right to kind of talk about these experiences, whether
it helps you or whether you think it's going to
be a little bit detrimental to her moving forward, And
what you think about emotional versus physical cheating.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Well, I feel like the question, the big question here
is we didn't say so. I'll tag it on now.
Is this revenge or is this therapeutic for her? You
know that it's maybe a bit of a b to
be maybe the same thing. Maybe revenge is therapeutic. Anyway,
go watch on YouTube. You'll see our costumes. Mine was
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This episode was recorded on cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
welcome back to another spooky episode of Live on Cut.
I'm Britney. Oh Kisha. Actually I can't look at you, Brittany.
(00:23):
She looks like gamb Off. Okay, this is how Halloween episode.
Keisha's here. Laura's vomitoria leads to Keisha is barely here
because she's pas a virus for like four months and
she almost didn't make it in today. Yeah, I'm sorry,
I do. Actually I am asking for a little bit
of grace today.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
If I'm not laughing as much as possible, it's not
because Brittany is less funny today. It's actually just because
I'm struggling. When I laugh, I tend to cough, so
I'm kind of trying to pull the reins in. But
you know that I absolutely love Halloween. It is like
my favorite thing that happens throughout the year that I
actually get involved with.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I like to decorate for last year, I.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Wore my spooky ghost buns. Laura thought I was coming
from the Handmaid's Tale. You did.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, so last year, like we didn't dress up or anything,
but Kei she did her hair in some little buns
and she had like little ghost things on them, and
Kesh was a bit upset that. I think quote you said,
put in more effort, Brittany, and so as your boss.
As your boss, I took that constructive criticism on board.
And if you guys put in every effort today, you don't.
I just ate my own hair, this costume. If you
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guys haven't gone on to YouTube, please do, because then
you'll see what we're talking about. I have delivered for Keisha.
I have delivered. I don't know what I am. I
don't know if I'm Gandalf. Someone asked me if I
was God.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You are wearing an all white outfit, so it kind
of does lean into the god vibes.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's a wizard Gandalf or God.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What I'm liking the most is that the mustache isn't
hanging down, It's hanging out, like what is it like
a veranda Laura?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
But look at when I laugh or breathe.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like did you celebrate Halloween as a kid?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Was it? Like? Kind off the table? So where have
we moved on from my costume? Is it? Oh? Sorry?
I just thought you'd give me a like a rating
or be impressed or something.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Sorry, I am very impressed. It actually is absolutely hilarious.
But like I said, I'm trying not to laugh too much.
But as I walked in the room, I was behind
the wall and I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
See you, And you said, who goes there? What on
earth is she talking about? Because I do lean in,
I'm method act, so yeah, I have leaned into it.
I am going to spoiler. This is going to come
off in about ten minutes. There is no way this
can stay off. And we have a huge interview with
someone very famous straight after this, and I cannot a
be wearing this. Could you imagine? I think she love
(02:38):
it or we were interviewing, I'm so excited, Like I am.
It's one of those what is my life things that
I'm having at the moment. But I A, I cannot
be in this costume. B I think it might be
leaving some kind of a rash. No, I think it's
like it's like I'm getting a mustache rush. So it's
a disaster. Anyway, you look fantastic. I appreciate the efforts
(02:59):
so much.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Also, of all of the hair colors you've ever had,
Gray's never been one of them, so it really brings
out your eyes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I do fight my grays, that's why. But no, okaish
to answer your question, we weren't an overly big Halloween family.
Now cast your minds back. I am thirty early to
mid late thirties, and so when we were kids, it
wasn't a huge thing yet, and we were in like
a smaller town. There weren't that many streets like streets,
or that many houses that contributed like that wanted to
(03:29):
be a part of it, and so it was just
a bit creepy, like there'd just be one random house
and you'd be like, who's actually in there? Like, who's
that person that's like come in? Kids? So I think
my parents were a bit like and I always remember
my mum saying this, it's too American. Yes, she used
to say that statement all the time as kids, but
I think now it's like everyone does it now.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well everyone also says like it's American, it's commercialized, And
I'm like, yeah, but what in our life isn't.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So is Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Valentine's Day's arguably more like at least the treats for
Halloween are pretty cheap. Actually, that's not true. I went
to the grocery store yesterday and stocked up. They have
really got cost of living.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
No, do you know what it is? It's like weddings.
You know, when you get married or you have a party.
The second you say wedding, everything's more. It's the same
for Valentine's Day, Christmas, Easter, like chocolate's more at Easter
because it's Easter. They slap like a holiday price tag
on stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm so sorry, seriously, but I think the reason I'm
so into Halloween as an adult is because now that
I'm an adult, I have free will and I'm able
to make choices for myself. Because when I was a kid,
I've kind of got some like really bad memories around
Halloween because you.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Were the one that went to that creepy house.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, no, I went to public schools my whole life.
But when I started school, my family weren't religious, and
then my dad found God while we actually and my
mum while we were at school.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So what age when they you were you when they
were like born.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Again, Probably about seven or something like that. Anyway, my
dad he's the type of person who when he gets
into something, he like really gets into something. To be fair,
he really doesn't like he's got conviction.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He really follows through.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Still now like thirty years later, yep, yep, still completely
follows through. But that meant that we weren't allowed to
do anything that had anything to do.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
With witchcraft or wizardry.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So in October at my primary school, they used to
like do Halloween crafts and arts and like decorate the room.
And whenever everyone was doing that, my dad said that
I had to sit outside and do math.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Oh my god, do you want to know something so funny?
It was the opposite. My parents made me do the
same thing, but when it was scripture like Bible studies,
like they said they didn't want you to be a
part of that. Yeah, they took us out of that,
and we would do the same thing. You'd go to
the library and you have to do homework on math
(05:46):
or read. And that was because like my parents, I
don't know, I guess you'd call them agnostic a theists,
But there we are. We are non believers. Having said that,
I'm baptized, like we're baptized. It was a weird thing.
He just baptized your kids, then you didn't have to.
So we were in scripture. And then if you guys
have little kids in the car right now, turn it off.
We're going to talk about some stuff. So this is
(06:08):
your spoiler. Blood at ARG three two one, they just
started saying that to my brother and a few of
us that like they there was one that was just
an extreme teacher. It was like, you're going to hell
for doing this, this and this. You can't. They were
like against Christmas and things like that. They were sort
of outing the Easter bunny and things like that. You know,
(06:28):
like it was just my My parents were like, this
is not what you're supposed to be learning. This person
is extreme and I'm taking you out. Especially when they
said my brother was going to hell. Mom was like,
that's it. She also talks out at gymnastics. But that's
another story. She said gymnastics was too scared. I was.
She did. She's like, there's no more Bible and you
better believe you're not going back to gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I wonder how they deal with it now, Like I
wonder how I mean, teachers and stuff address it, because
I guess we've become a lot more accepting of different
religions and different cultures and like the things that you
can do for different holidays and that kind of thing.
I wonder how they I don't know. If you're a teacher,
I would actually.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Love to know.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Do you still do things like Halloween crafts? Do you
still do things like Christmas? Do you also celebrate other
like minority religions and do things to celebrate their holidays
at your school too?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, my I think they do. I think what they
do now is they celebrate everyone. My sister Sherry and
her daughter, So my little niece, Maya Mayer is half
Indian and so at she's only one. She turned one
like a month or two ago, but at her preschool
they celebrate all the days, and so the Indian day
(07:40):
of celebration is called Duali, and so if for though
she's only one, they had like a Duali Day and
they got to like celebrate. They get like a little
Indian cuisine and it's really cute. And even though they're
only one, they're starting to introduce those things at that age,
and I think that's really cool. So any kids from
from anywhere get to like have their special day, and
I think it's really cool. So I can only imagine
(08:01):
if they're doing that at preschool. That's what's carried into
school now, but I don't think there would be I
think you would be hard pushed to find a teacher
at a public school now that's allowed to tell kids
they're going to hell.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Like fut I think you'd be hard pushed to find
a parent who's able to say that their kid has
to sit outside and do math.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I know, so then you're okay, let's just like unpack
that a little bit, caish. This is crazy. So what
would happen if your dad saw you with me? Now?
You'd be grounded.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think Dad's kind of let that ship sail. I
think I'm a bit of a lost cause in his mind.
If he had any idea.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
He's got no fucking clue if he had to be saved,
Like if he had any idea.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What I've spoken about on this podcast, he would probably
he would actually have a heart attack, Like I.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Think it would genuinely put him into a coma. Not
even what you've spoken about, just the life. People have
just been reckless. You've been living your best life since
I met you.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So and weirdly enough, I don't really use math anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So so here's a question what happened then? Because I
can only imagine you would have been like you must
have been eight nine ten when like Harry Potter and
suff came out. Did you have to bypass? Is that?
That's a touchy subject.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's a touchy subject, mostly because my grandparents purchased the
books for my brother and my dad burnt them in the.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Fire, shut the front door. I can't, I actually can't.
I didn't John, you got given Harry Potter or my
brother did? And Dad, Oh my god, in front of you?
It was a cold winter. Did they do this in
front of you? Yeah? I thought you knew that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I thought that that's why you were leading us down
that track.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I knew were bad. I got goosebumps. Yeah, we didn't
go and watch that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I didn't watch the Harry Potter films until I was
like a later teenager. I really missed out.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
On some good cultural moments. You didn't try to expel
to save the books? Is that in the wrong time,
like read the room?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I didn't know what the spells were.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I hadn't read them. We were allowed to watch TV
and stuff. I'm really getting into this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, And to be fair, this isn't just a part
of the church.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
This was just my Dad's.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Interpretation of it, Like, there were plenty of other families
that we went to church with that watched all different
kinds of shows and partook in whatever they wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You didn't be left out like I felt it so
left out with us. Now they're doing an addition at no.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm algebra at ten.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I mean, when they die a world was like on
the Harry Potter train, you're like Harry, who you Meanwhile
you're at home, locked under the stairs.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Ah, lots too unpack.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's funny, you know. You hear all these people say
that when there's extreme parenting either way, you always hear
that those kids end up rebelling and or doing the
opposite of whatever their childhood was. And I think that
probably from twenty eight on was when you really hear
your rebel period. I think you're like, I'm going to
show you dud.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, potentially, Like, I don't know. There's also some things
that I've thought about only in the last probably year
and a half.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
To be real, I'm sorry I stopped right there. I
can't have such a serious conversation with you with this on,
Like I feel like you're you're unpacking your heart here
and your trauma, and I'm looking like this, let me
take it off. A has come on. I'm probably gonna
get some kind of a disease from Oh my god,
bridge stripping, why men have feel better? Do you have
(11:11):
another one that's a headman? That's just good? Oh yeah,
I've got the heart one. Oh yeah, have that? Okay,
now that you've changed.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I've actually only kind of really started to unpack this
in the last probably year and a half. Like I
spent a lot of my twenties being quite resentful of
anything to do with religion, Like it made me quite
angry about some of the the things that I was
told kind of came from religion that I've later found
out don't necessarily. I'm talking about things like the gay
(11:41):
marriage plebiscite and all that kind of thing, where I
was just angry about a lot of you know, maybe
what I missed out on or that kind of thing.
But it's only been in the last probably year and
a half that I've actually realized that some of the
values that I got from the church itself and from
that type of upbringing are actually incredible, and it really
has made me shift gears on the way that I
(12:02):
view religion. In total, Like, there was a big part,
probably almost a decade, where I really pushed back on
the establishment of religion, and I still have issues with that,
but I just thought it was also corrupt and it
was all, you know, people trying to take money from
vulnerable people and preach these messages and they didn't necessarily
(12:22):
live up to them in their own lives and that
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And like, don't get me wrong, that exists.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
There will be, you know, circumstances where that exists in
every single religion. It's not specific to the one I
grew up with. But yeah, I've also come to realize
that some of the values, particularly around community and like
turning up for people and having a village and being
there to support each other, those types of values were
probably more important to be brought up with than what
you know, doing Halloween nots and crafts. So like, I
(12:47):
just want to kind of put that in as the counter.
I don't want anyone who's listening to this, who maybe
even had a similar upbringing or they're putting that similar
upbringing on to their children now to be like, well,
hang on, you've only said the negative side of it.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I don't feel like I missed out.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
On anything, and if anything, I think that some of
those values have like kind of been cemented in me
that have been really important as an adult. And yeah,
now I can dress up for Halloween as much as
I want. And I also got Little Bonnie, my six
month old Australian shepherd, a costume to wear. So I've
got a little Halloween bag for us to take to
the park for all of the treats for the dogs
(13:22):
on Halloween.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Did you think people going to treat their dog at
the path? Like people gonna like, what are you going
to try and beg for dog treats? Like plan?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Like is this going to go down or the dog
park that I've started going to now most people have
treats because they're training their dogs and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
So I think we're just.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Gonna have like a lineup of dogs getting treats for
the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Oh my god, I think you've got big expectations for
what is going to happen at your local dog bike.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
God, Bonnie a little pumpkin costume.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's very so cute. I got Delilah one, but it
was too small, you know those ones from Timu that
look she was fashiamed by the vet we've been working
on that just passhames by. Everyone sick of it, just
sick of it. Let it live a best life, Let
it eat a night shows with me. Hey, just this
is so dumb. I almost almost fucking did the worst
(14:13):
thing ever to my face accidentally. So I love makeup,
beauty stuff whatever, you know. I like my skincare. I
like to like your skincare. I love my skin.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You have never seen a single human being as you
walk into Britney's bathroom. There's no countertop, It's just shoducs.
Like You've never seen someone with as many skincare or
hair care products in your life.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, I love a product. I do, and I think
it's important to keep your skin on its toes. So
like sometimes I mix and match products. Anyway, that's not
always about I got a pr package. So sometimes occasionally
something will turn up at your house from a brand
that has had your address for some other reason, and
it doesn't happen much anymore. But I got this little
package sent to me with a few different new beauty
(14:59):
products to try, like just little tidbits and some nail
scissors and just like some little stuff. But in there.
It was a an eyebrow brush. Oh yeah, yeah. And
now I usually try to get my eyebrows laminated and
wax and like maintained, but to be honest, I probably
do it a third of the time I'm supposed to,
so like I end up letting them grow out. They
(15:19):
are like wooly mammoths. Months go past and then I
remember and then I go in. Anyway, in it was
a little eyebrow brush. And the thing was like a
brow shaper, that was what it was called. So it's
like a razor or. Was it like one of the
spoolies that you used to brush a mark. Well, it
was a spooly it was, but I thought it was
a spooly sorry shaper. And so thank god it was
(15:47):
a sunny day. And now let me tell you why
the sun is important. I was like, yes, shape are brilliant.
I had never seen an at home razor blade. So anyway,
I get this thing out. I just did look at it.
I read the name, got it out. It's got like
a long handle, and so I picked it up and
I was in my laund room, and my laund room
has like a beautiful big mirror right near the window.
(16:09):
And it gets it's the only place that gets natural lights.
So like any video you've ever seen at my house,
he's done in this one natural light corner. Otherwise I
live in a dungeon, and so it's not something you
need to look in the mirror for. And I only
looked at the last minute, so it's like slow emotion.
I'm bringing the spool up to my eyebrow and I
could have just walked around and done it. And as
I went to look in the mirror and it was
(16:30):
just touching my in front of my eye, the sun
and this is why it's so important. The sun shone
in and bounced off the raizor blade into the mirror,
and like I could see the light, and it was
like it's like divine intervention. It was like ah. And
just as the razor blade touched the corner of my eyebrow,
I realized what was happening, and I stopped. And now
(16:52):
I've lost maybe two little hairs, that is it. But
I Keisha nearly wiped my entire eyebrows off. What the fuck? Browshaper?
Browshaper needs to be more specific. It needs to be
called brow brow razor blade. It's a it was a
razor blade, Like, how did I not even see that?
Did you not feel like the tension? Though? Yeah, only
(17:13):
when it touched me, But it touched me at the
exact same time, Like I could have taken my eyeball out,
Like I came in real hot with that thing. I
was like, imagine if I was just walking around comb
in my brows.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I want to defend you, but I kind of think
I might be on the packaging of the.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Product shape for this shaper though, like m it was ambiguous.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I feel like most people would probably read what it
says on the box before they go in.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't know how to use it, but I just
don't know if we should be sending racers around willingly.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That reminds me of because I love a bit of
a beauty DIY at home situation, mostly because I'm a
tight ass, but also secondly because I don't like the
time it takes to get things done and like to
drive to the appointments and I'm just a bit impatient
and that's a you know, personality flaw. But one time
I die, and I die my eyebrows at home freakqu
(18:00):
Like probably every three weeks or so.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You have offered to die. Mind before, where is this?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, you've got dark hair when you're blonde. You've got
to be really careful because sometimes it will say like
light brown on the packet that she is not light brown.
That is like one shade off of being jet black.
And it says on the packet to leave it on
for like ten minutes. I leave mine on for ninety
seconds and.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They're still quite dark. So this is the first time
that I.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Used this particular one that claimed it was light brown.
I ended up having absolute slugs of eyebrows.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
For like two weeks. I had to put foundation on
them to.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Try and like lighten them down so bad.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
He's giving on Carrie Delavin that's hot. It was not hot.
That we was too dark and too thick.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And also I needed to learn to like less is
more when it comes to die.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I really slapped it on.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Thinking it wouldn't be sucked up by my skin as
much as it was. So it wasn't just the head
that was dyeing. It was also the skin in the
shape around them. It looked so bad photo of that.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because you can't do anything about either, you have to commit.
You're like, well, these are just on for a while.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, I just had to try and use Knceala.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
What would I have actually done? I know you have
fake eyelashes, A stick on browser thing, you would have probably,
I mean, we've got to stick.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
On merkans now, So maybe it's Kim Kardashian's next thing.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It's sex stick on brow. You just would have worn
you wig the whole episode today, we're asking the question
that Lily Allen has been asking. Is it just sex
or is their emotion? Now, you guys might have seen
Lily Allen has just dropped her seventh studio album. It's
called West End Girl. But a bit of background on
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Lily Allen in case you haven't been following along the
last couple of years. So Lily got married to David Harbor. Now,
David Harbor was an actor from Stranger Things. I think
that's what he is the most known for. That's the
only thing I know him for. So in twenty nineteen
they got married, she moved to New York and they
by all accounts, you know, it looks like she got
her happy ever after. But four years later, so just
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in December of twenty twenty four, so just December gone.
It sort of came out quite explosively that they'd broken up,
and not just broken up, that he had cheated on her.
And you'll remember Keish but I think we even spoke
about it here. But it wasn't just cheating. Lily kind
of said she went on a bit of a detective
mission on Raya, the dating app, to try and figure
(20:20):
out who he was cheating with.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, so this is because David and Lily actually initially
met on Raya, and so apparently this is like a
source to the Daily Mail, but someone who was apparently
close with Lily said that she was going onto the
dating app.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
She created a profile so that she could.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
See what other women were on there, and then she
was cross referencing it with who David was following on
Instagram and trying to work out, you know, who he
might have been seeing or who he might have been
talking to from Raya. And I know a lot of
people would be like, wow, that's crazy, but like, I've
been there before, Lily, and I actually know what it's
like to be in the headspace of being like who
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possibly could be next? Like it's such an unhealthy place
to be.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And that's even the thing before we get into the
wild ride that is this new album. It's like an xpoze.
But even just going back to that last year, it's
insane that someone you love and that you're married to
can make you feel so crazy to go and do that,
because so many people's first thought around that time was like,
you know, okay, crazy lady, like get alive. But there's
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a reason a woman feels like they need to do that,
Like there is something that is driving you to figure
it out, and then once you get in it, it's
really hard to get out of it. Like once you
get into the trying to go through the phone or
linking things or looking at their follow account, why is
he liking this is? Where was he last night? Like
it sends you insane, and I think they're in this
new album.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I'm not sure if you guys have all listened to
it or not, but she's being very honest in it.
There are things in here that I'm like, Wow, I
don't know if I would be able to admit in
real time that that was my own behavior. And I'm
really I quite like the fact that she's going there
like it is beyond vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It is so completely honest.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
When I was listening to this, I kind of felt
as though I was like reading someone's or listening and
eavesdropping in on a conversation between two very close friends
that I wasn't supposed to be listening to.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's exactly that, isn't it cash just like her diary
because the way she's written it is a story from
the first song on the album until the end. All
the way tells the story from the start of their
marriage and relationship when they got together through to the end.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, and it's also being reported that she wrote and
recorded this album in just ten days.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It's giving. Ten days. It's giving.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I'm vomiting out every single emotion that I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's giving. I've made a fucking decision right now, and
I'm going to do it, and I don't want to
think about.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It how I regret it later, So let's just do
it now. Well, I mean, this is like quite chaotic headspace,
but we wanted to run through some of the songs
that are on the album, some of the lyrics from them,
so that we can talk about this, is it just
sex or is it emotion? So the album actually begins
with Lily falling in love, moving to New York, as
Britz said, with her two daughters and setting up a
home in a nice little rental nearest, sweet little school.
(22:58):
But the first signs of trouble kind of began when
she was cast in that West End play. The lyrics
go on to say, that's when your demeanor started to change.
You said that I'd have to audition, and I said
that you're deranged.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, she's basically saying like I'm Lily Allen.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I interpreted it that way. I interpreted it that this
was kind of him almost like putting her down a
little bit and making her a little bit smaller than
perhaps what she was, because she went on to be
nominated for the plays that she was in, like and
by all accounts it sounds as though she was absolutely phenomenal.
So that was my interpretation of those lyrics.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, she goes on later in the album to sort
of start to give the gospel their sex life. So
there are lyrics in the third track sleepwaloking been no
romance since we weard why aren't we fucking baby? Yeah,
that's what you said, but you let me think it
was me in my head and nothing to do with
them girls in your bed. That's brilliant lyrics, but she's
pretty much been like you gas lit me when you
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were going to fuck someone else, so's she's one hundred
percent outed that he has been cheating, and.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That becomes very apparent. In the fourth track, it is
labeled Tennis. She speaks about this mysterious woman called Madeline
in the impact that that particular woman is having on
their relationship. The lyrics go, and by the way, the
reason that we can't include all of this as the
actual lyrics is because we don't want to get done
for copyright. So that's why I've written. I are reading
about the lyrics say, I can't get my head around
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how you've been playing tennis. If it was just sex,
I wouldn't be jealous, you won't play with me? And
who the fuck is Madeline?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Okay, I loved this one. I love this you know
why because this opens up such a big conversation for
people and women everywhere, men as well, But like, let's
be real, just more women are going to relate to
this story Tennis. She's upset that he's playing tennis. Now,
it's not that he's playing tennis, but she's upset that
the cheating has gone to something physical. In the sporting arena,
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not just physical. What Lily unpacks further on is that
they very evidently had an open relationship. They had an agreement,
and we know this because she speaks about it in
her diary that she's released.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
To the world.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
She speaks ou about the fact that they had these
rules where it was supposed to be in a hotel room.
She said, it's supposed to be paid. I'm assuming it
means you can have like escorted, paid sex with someone
that you don't know. She says that they have to
be a stranger. She alludes to it being She's okay
with an open relationship as long as they followed these
very strict rules. Wasn't supposed to be anything emotional, wasn't
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supposed to be anything in public, and was supposed to
be very discreet. And so tennis is where she's upset
because she knows he's physically going out and hanging out
outside of those confined four walls. He's doing things with
her that a normal couple would do, like ie playing tennis.
So this leads us to the million dollar question that
is so different between men and women? But what is
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worse the emotional cheating or the physical cheating. Obviously they're
both bad, but in this instance, David's done both.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
In the song, after Britt is talking about tennis, it's
called Madeline, Lily sings, how long has it been going on?
Is it just sex or is their emotion? He told
me it would stay in hotel rooms, never be out
in the open. Why would I trust anything that comes
out of his mouth? And there has been a little
bit more, I guess, reporting on the fact that Lily
has come out and said that these stories that she's
(26:15):
singing about, they are not necessarily one hundred percent true.
Like she said that some of it's fact and some
of it is fiction, and maybe this is a bit
of an amalgamation of her own experiences and other people's experiences,
which I think both of us think is a little
bit murky and muddy water when it comes to saying
things that seem this honest where there are real people involved.
(26:37):
But we'll get into that a little bit later. Some
of the other lyrics, there's this part of the song
where it almost sounds as though it's like a back
and forth of a conversation, and she speaks it, and
so she is playing the character that we assume is
based on her. She's also playing the character that is
based on this Madeleine girl, and they almost have like
a conversation back and forth lyrics from Lily's side of
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things or the character that Lily says she's playing is
I'm not convinced that he didn't fuck you in our house.
We had an arrangement be discreet and don't be blatant.
There had to be payment, it had to be with strangers.
But you're not a stranger, Madeline.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Then Madeleine kind of responds in this and it has
been reported that these are potentially actual real text message
exchanges that happened between Lily and what has ended up
being this woman called Nicole. But we'll get onto that later.
So she replied with our relationship has only ever been
about sex. I can promise you that that this is
not an emotional connection. We don't speak outside of the
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time we spend together, and whenever he talks about you,
it is with utmost respect. I hate that you are
in so much pain right now. I really don't want
to be the cause of any upset. He told me
that you were aware that this was going on and
that he had your full consent. If he's lying about that,
then please tell me, because I have my own feelings
about dishonesty. Lies are not something I want to get
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caught up with. You can reach out to me at
any time, by the way, if you need any more details,
or if you just want to vent or anything. Love
and life, Madeleine.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
There's a last thing you want to hear from your
husband's mistress, is he speaks about you so much respect? Well,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I had this kind of two ways that I think
you can interpret this because this woman who has been
described as Madeleine in the songs.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
The real version of hers.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
The internet does what the internet does, and they've ended
up finding out who supposedly is. It's apparently a thirty
four year old costume designer named Natalie Tippett.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
She worked on a film with David in twenty twenty one.
It's called We Have a Ghost. And so she's kind
of been hounded by the press now and like a
lot of people are like, what's true, and she's basically
gone on to say, look, I have a two and
a half year old daughter. This is really full on
having this much attention and from the message exchange that
was in the song. It kind of sounds as though
he might have misled her into thinking that Lily actually
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did know about.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Their sexual relationship. Look, by all accounts, yes, I'm going
to assume that she went into it thinking she wasn't
doing anything wrong. A lot of people haven't open relationship,
but they did have an open relationship, but it wasn't
a kind of open relationship that David let her believe.
So I'm not blaming this woman at all. I just
think the last thing you want to hear is someone saying,
you know, when he was fucking me, he did speak
about you with respect, And I know she means well
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by that, but that must cut so deep. I'm not
blaming any of these women here. I'm just I'm absolutely
blaming David. But it does open up and bring us
back to this conversation and from the people that I've
had this conversation with in my real life. It very
much differs if you're a male or a female, and
there are actually some stats around it, but the way
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that different sexes look at emotional cheating and physical cheating,
which one hurts more and which one is seemingly worse,
is very very different, and Lily is obviously evidently far
more hurt by the fact that in their infidelity, it
was the fact that he was hanging out with her
and doing more than just sex. Like the sex is
one thing, but having a connection with someone like that
(29:55):
is so much worse. And I have to admit, I
think I feel exactly the same if my partner was
cheating with a stranger and had sex right now. And
I know we've had these conversations briefly before, and I
know it doesn't sit right with everyone, and everyone's different,
and that's okay. Hypothetically, if my if I found out
my partner had cheated, had had sex with someone on
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a drunken night out, didn't know who it was, was
so apologetic, like I wouldn't even know how to find them,
no contact with them, stranger. And then I found out
that my partner was going and hanging out with somebody
and playing tennis and having coffee and having all these.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Does the tennis particularly hit you differently?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, my tennis player, So if you fucking go on playing, No,
But it's like it is okay. It was Ben, And
I found Ben was going and playing football and like
hanging out and they were like wrestling on the grass
and like having these moments and copies that's for me,
that's worse. I'm like, it's not just sex, there's feelings,
and there's can memories and experiences, and you're creating these connections.
(30:56):
Like that's so much worse for me. Yeah, I feel
exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
There's actually been quite a few studies done asking this
exact question, and none of them are like super robust studies,
but all of the results seemed to kind of mirror
each other. So there was one study that found that
about sixty percent of people think emotional chreating is as
bad or worse than physical cheating. But like you said,
there did seem to be a little bit of a
gender divide. So while everyone will kind of view infidelity
(31:22):
differently and what constitutes an emotional affair, I think we
all have kind of different lines in the sand, But
on average, men reported feeling more distressed over physical infidelity.
So there was a study published in the Journal of
Evolution and Human Behavior where researchers ask college students to
imagine their partner having sex with someone else or falling
in love with someone else, and a majority of men
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said that the physical betrayal would upset them more. But
in contrast, women in those same studies most often said
that it was the emotional betrayal, So when a partner
would develop feelings for someone else rather than just having
sex with them, that they would find that to be
more painful. And so, yeah, based on these studies, I
kind of think that I fit into the norm for women,
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you know, like I personally would find an emotional affair
harder to kind of get over.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And I do wonder why that might be.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It might be because I think that there's more of
an investment, and I think that there's more time, more consideration.
There's potentially like a longer period of that time that
the betrayal has been happening as well, whereas a physical
infidelity can be a moment in time. And I don't know,
I can't really work out why that doesn't feel as
jarring for me.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It depends, right, I'm only talking about physical cheating. If
it was like a one off with someone you don't know.
Of course, it's bad if it's been someone that've been
physically having an affair with for months or a year
or whatever. But that's also because that's when these two
become entwined like, the second you elongate a physical relationship,
you're going to come parts of the emotional relationship. We're
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going to come into it as well. And a lot
of these women in the study went on to say
the reason that they're more upset by emotional and fidelities
because they feel like it means their partner's alread left
a relationship anyway. So I guess it's not just the
fact that they've connected with someone, it's the jarring pain
of well, they're not even here anymore, Like you're not
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in the relationship if you are connecting with someone else
in there your go to person. And you know, we
love a pole caish, but I would love to poll
you guys, because every time we speak about cheating, it
is so divisive, and of course it's divisive. There are
so many shades of grain a relationship. It depends on
your situation, what they've done, who's done what, How long
are you okay with it? You know, there's no such
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thing as black and white cheating. And every time we
speak about it, we get an army of people come
and say they support what we've said. We an army
people come and say, like, absolutely not, how would you
can doin that, and that's so fine, Like we're not
here to yuck anyone's yum and tell you how to
run your relationship. But I don't think you can put
a blanket statement on it. But I would love to
know just to see if we get the same results
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as these studies about like, if you're a woman, what
is worse for you emotional cheating or physical cheating? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I also the way that I kind of interpreted Lily's album,
to me, it felt as though it was someone who
initially had a set of guidelines and boundaries for their
relationship that was eventually eroded. And I think it would
be pretty classic of a relationship between a narcissistic person
and someone who was gradually having their self esteem chipped
(34:23):
away out. Now there is additional context to this. I
read that, you know, Lily had written about in her
memoir that in her previous marriage she actually had cheated
on her husband with female sex workers, and so that
was also, you know, coincided with her journey to do
with drugs and alcohol, and she's been sober for five
years now, So to me, I kind of read the
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album that she initially went into the marriage with a
certain set of like, this is what we agree to,
and then over time those things seemed to kind.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Of get further and further away from what she wanted.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I could be projecting, but that was how I felt
about a lot of the things that she was saying
in this relationship. I was like, Oh, I remember being
with an arcissistic person, and I remember thinking that I
would never do those things, and then six months down
the track, you end up kind of going like, what
the fuck am I doing? I'm looking up people's Instagram
accounts to see if he's followed them and whether they're
may be sleeping together right now. Like to me, that
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was how I kind of felt about her relationship. But
the last question I have for you, Britt, has to
do with, like, I know, we asked the question a
lot of like who gets to tell a story? But
I do find it a little bit concerning that Lily
has kind of come out and said like, oh, this
isn't necessarily completely a true story about my own relationship
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when the people who were involved are so easily identifiable,
and it's pretty damning.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Well she said, look, she said, it's a bit of
fact and a bit of fiction spring put in and
she hasn't really definitively said which is what and what
is which. She has also said that it is inspired
by her life. I agree with you as much as
I'm like fuck rite at Dawn Lily like.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I love that she is taking control of her story
and he's like fuck you. The problem I have, and
where I think it gets really dangerous, is if you're
sprinkling a lot of mistruths in there alongside some pretty
explosive truths. It's not ideal for the people involved, because
we know what a public pylon can be like. And
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if somebody hasn't done something but they're being led to believe,
the public's being led to believe they have, I just
don't think that that is a very fair place to
put them, because who are we to then say what's
real and what's not in this story? In this very long,
sad diary entry.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I also think it's interesting that I was reading quite
a few of the comments on her Instagram page, and
most of them were like along the lines of what
an amazing day for everyone except for David Harbor, or
like it would all be like all of this except
for David Harbor, or I've never hated a man that
I didn't know in the way that I hate David Harbor.
He has turned off comments on every single one of
his Instagram posts, so I turned off my Instagram. He
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has like eight million followers, Like he's actually objectively a
bigger star than what she is. So I guess in
a way, she probably feels as though it's punching up
rather than punching down.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But yeah, like the only kind of problem.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I firstly, I loved the fact that this, to me,
it sounded so nostalgic, like it sounded like Lily Allen
from two decades ago in the music that I love
from her. But there was a little bit of gray
for me in the fact that these people are real people.
And if if you're not going to be explicit about
what is factual and what is a personal experience versus
what is just like creative license, I feel like that's
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a little bit danger.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You can just like label the song like Madeline truth
Tennis face, but.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Her name is actually in a cale.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah. Do you know. The last thing I want to
say is and I feel like, because I've been there
is I do feel for the other woman quote unquote,
if by all accounts what she's saying is true, which
I do. I believe that it's true. I have no
doubt that she truly believed it was just sex and
they were in a an open relationship. Literally was cool
with it. We have to take it face value in
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the song that you know, she's exchanged her texts and whatever,
that's what they've said has happened. The feeling of when
you find that out of being the other woman and
having ruined a relationship unintentionally is still the worst feeling.
And I say that because I was the other woman
for years but I didn't know it, and as we
were in an open relationship as well, but I didn't
know that either. I didn't know either of If you
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knew the podcast briefly, but you will remember I dated
somebody for a few years, two years, and I thought
they were my person, and it came out that they
had this whole double life. It was not an open relationship.
We had plans to marry and have kids and buy
our houses and you know, do all these wonderful things.
And then I found out that he was in another
relationship the whole time, but not only the whole time
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I had been with him. For about two years, and
she had been in for six years, so I was
the other woman. I came in after they had been
together for four years, and I had no idea, Like
I thought i'd met my penguin, and I'll never forget.
The pain was interchangeable. I couldn't figure out what was
hurting more. The pain that I felt of what I
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had imagined or what I had known or been led
to believe was one thing, that your relationship has ended
in like this horrific way, and that he had cheated
on me. But then when I realized it wasn't just
cheating on me, but I was that person for someone else,
so like I was the one that had ruined a
six year relationship, and whilst I didn't know it, that
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pain for me there was like a pendulum, like I
would just feel so sorry for myself and be like,
I can't believe he's done this to me while with me,
and then I'd be like, hang on a fucking second,
imagine this time's three because she's been with him for
six years, Like that's so much. And I remember having
to say to her and I'm so glad she believed me,
And that's why I want to give this woman the
benefit of dat. I remember just saying to her, like,
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I feel like I can't even I'm not allowed to
feel what I'm feeling because you're feeling it's so much
worse and you're you're like the main woman, like and
I kept saying the main woman. And she was so wonderful.
She was like, you can feel it too, because you
had your own life. She was really good. But that
maybe why I'm giving her a little bit of grace
in this situation is because I was like, fuck, I
have been there, and it just adds more spice.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Maybe you've actually kind of just like discovered why women
seem to feel more hurt by emotional affairs. Though maybe
it's actually because when you have an emotional connection with someone,
you have future plans, like you have the things that
you're talking about that you are going to connect on
in the future as well. It's not necessarily just a
past experience. Like maybe that's actually why we struggle so
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much with the concept of our partner falling in love
with someone else rather than just sleeping with them.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And you know what it is now we're just are
sitting in this it's a feeling like you had something
special and unique and a shared experience and realizing you didn't.
And I say that because there were things like he
and I had discussed our kids' names, and then when
her and I discovered this the other woman, they had
the same kids names picked out, everything was identical.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
It would make you feel so insignificant.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Oh, you're like, Oh. I remember saying to him, was
any of it real? I remember saying, did you actually
love me? And for some reason, that was the question
that all I wanted him to say was yes. And
I wanted him to say yes because I wanted to
feel like it wasn't a complete waste of time. And
even though his love, his idea of love is so
disturbed and so cooked, in that moment, I was like,
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just give me one semblance that the last two years
had something real in it. But that's why, because all
of a sudden, all of our shared experiences were taken
and they weren't mine anymore. They were with another woman.
And I'm going to assume now we just unpacked it
without meaning to you. That's why emotional is worse it
could be.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And actually, one of her last songs on the album,
these are some of the lyrics and this is what
will kind of end with.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
She said, don't come home.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I don't want you in my bed. Go to the
apartment in the West Village Instead. I found a shoe
box full of handwritten letters from broken heart women wishing
you could have been better, hundreds of trojans. You're so
fucking broken. How to get caught up in your double life?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well it is time for accidentally unfiltered. This might go
down right for some people, but obviously not for her. Okay,
So my mom bought me some fake sunflowers. I told
her I had no idea where I'd put them, but
I loved them, so I'll put them somewhere special and
send her a photo to let her know. So I
found a spot in the bathroom and took the picture,
sent them on and said how much I love them.
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I was about to fall asleep when I had that moment,
you know where something just hits you and you have
a memory, And I remembered I had left my giant
dildo trying on the bathrack right next to the sunflowers.
I had sent it to her. She I had sent
her a picture of my giant dick and flowers. She
simply replied, nice flowers, sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I love that you didn't address the fact that there
was actually something else in the picture, and she was
just like, we're both going to pretend that this hasn't
have I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Know what i'd prefer. I don't know if i'd prefer
just to pretend it didn't happen. I'd probably write back
to my mum and just say, well, wops, doll eat
that just crop it for you.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Know how some people, when you receive a photo, it
will automatically save to your camera roll. Yeah, I think
you'd have to go in and say please, just if
you're ever going if.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
You are one of those people, please crop. All right,
let's wrap suck and sweetkish.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
My suck this week is that actually it's probably a
suck from the past only three months so, and I
might have spoken about this here and there on the podcast,
but I really have been so unwell, like so unbelievably unwell.
And I actually ended up editing an episode that we
recorded in August, and in that episode I had to
(43:44):
stop down and cough a lot. And so I know
that I've had this really horrible cough for at least
like two and a half to three months now, and yeah, anyway,
this is like such a classic if you're with someone
in the medical profession, you will relate to this so much.
Because for weeks, my partner had been away for work
here and there, like he's been back and forth quite
(44:05):
a lot, and so I'd been saying to him like,
this cough is really bad. It's really bad, it's really bad.
And this whole time he'd been like, you're right, You're right,
You'll be fine, Like it's just a cough, you know,
it's just a crozy by cough. You'll be sweet. And
I eventually saw him after about three weeks and he
put a stethoscope on my back.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
He turned in and he's like, ah, yeah, we need
to go to the pharmacy.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
And I was like, oh, okay, you know, and he
was like, you've actually gotten I think you sound like
you've got your money.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You were like actually relieved.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
You were like, yes, Like, I feel like you've been
guess ladding me for three weeks. Anyway, So I was
on antibodotics for a couple of weeks and things got
a little bit better, and they've kind of seemingly returned
to being quite bad again. So we think that I
might actually have hooping cough. And come to think of it,
I think that I have let my vaccine lapse. You
know how you're supposed to get it every five years.
(44:54):
I'm pretty sure I got it like six or seven
years ago, and I just wasn't really thinking about it,
and so I guess this is the result of when
you don't have it. And so yeah, we now think
that I've had hooping cough. And this cough just.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
It won't go away.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They call it like the one hundred day cough, and
it's been Yeah, it's been.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Awful, and you're going to get my booster tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Actually, I wonder if I can get the booster now
or if I'm gonna have the anybody don't not touch
it right now though, you'd just like six three deathbed.
So that is my overarching suck, and my suite is
that over the weekend I got to catch up with
some friends. So when I was living in Bendigo, I
made really close friends with two girls that live down there,
and they were just like they were really my life
(45:31):
raft over that COVID period where we were in the
horrendous Victorian lockdowns, and we became really close really quickly,
and I hadn't seen her for like two and a
bit years since her wedding, and her and her husband
came up and they stayed with me over the weekend.
And you know when you just have that beautiful feeling
of catching up with old friends that you haven't seen
for ages, but it also feels as though no time
(45:52):
has passed it all that. I had that feeling for
the whole weekend. So, yeah, that was a real nice suite.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
That's like you Yeah, Okay, my suck is I It's okay.
It was one of Laura's earrings. I'll just say it.
I dropped an earring down the drain. Oh no, and
it was one of Laura's earrings. But she might not
listen to this.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
It's going into Tony.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Can I please have a replace them? I know the girls,
So I'm gonna ask you. I'll hit her up from
a Yeah, wait, which drain did it go down? It
just don't a drain at my home. But I can't.
I tried to get it off. It's tired, it's not
I can't get a plumber to come and undo it.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I'll come and help. I've done this before. Have you
got like an spend drain. Yeah, it's got an s mate.
I'm di y Central. I'll come over with my steel
caps on just I won't need with your steel caps
I put I did put them on to the wall.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Over.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
My sweet is that I have managed to secure Oasis
tickets and yes, Kisha, you can come with me.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I know they're so hard to get. Yeah, actually we
got a good tick. My partner's going to faint when
he his Yeah, so Oasis is here. Oasis, Like, if
you guys are a bit younger listening, you probably don't care.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Interestingly connected to Lily Allen, she did come out and
shay that that thing that happened on a plane with
I think it was Liam p Yeah, Quobia might have
been moll, but they definitely hooked up when they shouldn't
have been. She found out later that he was actually
still married.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah. I mean they were like, at one point one
of the biggest bands in the world, and they were
I think they could have had any woman they wanted to.
I think they went through a phase of being very
desirable and they hate each other. Well, they're back because
they got Peter Motza, so they're brothers. They had a
big fooling out if you don't know hated each other.
No one really knows what or why, but no one
gives a fuck. They're back together for a two hoff.
(47:43):
They're obviously been Peter Wantza and everyone's like, whatever, we'll
pretend you guys like each other just to go. But
I'm absolutely thrilled. So we got tickets for next week.
Will That is super exciting.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
I have some friends that went to the concert in
the UK and they just said it was like otherworldly,
like once in a lifetime type situation.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I was to say, I also have friends in the UK,
but it's not. Its Vogue Williams, and I just listened
to her podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's the parasocial relationship we have.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
So Vogue Ween said it was amazing. Yeah, she didn't
tell me that. She just said on the pot she
did tell you, your friend. She basically told me, well, that
is it from us today, guys.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
I would love to know what you thought about, particularly
the chat about Lily Allen and like, who firstly has
the right to kind of talk about these experiences, whether
it helps you or whether you think it's going to
be a little bit detrimental to her moving forward, And
what you think about emotional versus physical cheating.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Well, I feel like the question, the big question here
is we didn't say so. I'll tag it on now.
Is this revenge or is this therapeutic for her? You
know that it's maybe a bit of a b to
be maybe the same thing. Maybe revenge is therapeutic. Anyway,
go watch on YouTube. You'll see our costumes. Mine was
turn out of ten. You made a lot of effort.
I did put a lot of effort in hit subscribe
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