October 21, 2025 • 49 mins
Hey lifers!
First up, we address the reports that the future of the podcast is unknown.
Britt has a friend that received a message from someone they went on two dates with. If Britt hadn't seen it with her own eyes she would have said it was a fake story! Last week we told you about the ridiculous reason Keeshia and Delilah ended up at the vets and today we share the silliest reason your pet made you have a vet visit.
Halloween is around the corner. Do you get the treats for the kids or do you pretend you’re not home? Britt wants the kids to tap dance and Keeshia wants dog ‘trick and treating’ to start.
Victoria's Secret ditches ‘woke’ rebrand and returns to 'unapologetically sexy' roots.
Last week, the new and improved Victoria's Secret Fashion Show made its return to Brooklyn for the second year in a row. They have reversed their "woke" rebrand and they’re moving back to a more traditional, "sexy" image after a period of declining sales, after the reaction to the failure of its inclusivity-focused marketing.
In 2025 is woke branding dead or just being recalibrated?
We unpack how virtue signalling and brands undergoing impurity tests may have contributed to consumer fatigue. We speak about whether we still want advocacy for social justice issues in marketing and whether this ‘nostalgic’ return to advertising might have more to do with more conservative politics than anything else.
We speak about the notion of ‘go woke, go broke’ and the more recent American Eagle campaign with Sydney Sweeney and Carl’s Jr with Alis Earle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on cameragle Land.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life
un Cut. I forgot that's it. That's it, that's it,
and that's the podcast podcast over. I don't even know
what to say. Hi guys, and welcome back to another
episode of Life on Cut.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Brittany and.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Britt It was really nice to find out that the
podcast my job's finished.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I were all done from the Daily Mail.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, daily Mail broke the news podcast is finished over
see yeah, no, there's people right now listening to like,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So, guys, we have been receiving a lot of messages.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
There was a Daily Mail article that came out that
said the podcast is finished, Life.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Un Cut no more, not in so many words.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It wasn't that far off.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It wasn't that borough.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
No. I think they said something like lifeun Cut in limbo.
I think of some of the little in their quality journalism.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, we do like alliteration.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, but what we do want to say is we
have been receiving a lot of very panicked messages about
the future of the podcast. We have said before and
I don't want to say that the podcast is never
going to finish in the history of time.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But the podcast, I.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Promise you, is not going anywhere. The podcast is absolutely
fine and we'll be continuing on like normal. That's what
we want to assure every single listener. We love it
like it's going to take a lot for this podcast
to finish, trust me.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So Kishi, you still have a job. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I like that security.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The headline was the future of Brittany Hockley and Laura
Burns's Life Uncut podcast uncertain after they part ways with
AARN following six successful years.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Look, I mean, I just will promise you that the
podcast is staying as is. We will not be taking
this content from your ears. I assure you that anyway.
With that out of the way, one of my good friends,
I've got a few friends that single and dating, and
I just I love it for them and I hate
it for them at the same time because I just
want them to find their penguin. But since I've been
off the market, like I used to bring this shit right,
(02:02):
and since I've been off the market, I feel bad.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That I heavily lean on my friends.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But the stories that they are coming with are just
so good that I cannot bring them to the podcast,
And I want to preface this with we got a
message the other day. To be fair, it was only one,
but we got a message that says, can you guys
not shit on dating so much? Like it's really hard
and we want to you know, I want to be
able to find my penguin and I want to have
some hope. We want you to have hope too. You know,
(02:29):
I met Ben online dating. I met Jordan online dating. Kisha,
you met your partner online dating. My sister got married
off Tinder. Like online dating is also great, but it
would be remiss of us not to highlight the actual
terms as well.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But also it's kind of funny, like like if I
get it, I do. I genuinely do. And I think
when you're in it and you're actually living it, you're like,
I don't also need to be hearing just the horror
stories because like I.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Want to hear the hope as well.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
And I've always said that, you know, a lot of
people shit on online dating, but like you said, we
wouldn't have met our partners. But I also think that
it opens you up to a whole realm of people
that obviously you wouldn't meet otherwise. Which can be a
really really good thing because it can mean that you
will find people with similar values to you. And I
had this conversation on the weekend as well with a
friend who's dating, and she was like.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Like, where do I go?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Where do I actually go and meet these people? And
I was like, well, unless you're the type of person
that you know you've got a fish where the fish
are right, and unless you're the type of person who
wants to be going out drinking, I don't know if
that's like.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's where I tried to find people and look at
how it turned out.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But even then, even of course you're going to meet
people when you go out drinking, but that might not
be the kind of person you want to meet either.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yes, And so she was like, I drop my daughter
to school, I go to work. She works in a
pretty female dominated industry, and like, not exclusively, but mostly
it will be women.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And she's like, I go and.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I pick up from school and then I go home,
Like where am I supposed to meet people? And I
was like, online, that's like the best option that you
do have, it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is, and like we tell you the success stories.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I want you guys to have so much hope, and
I do want you to enjoy online dating. I mean,
you go through phases, right, You're crazy if you don't
have your highs on loasing online dating.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Remember the joke used.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
To be here for me, one of many jokes, but
it was how many times I downloaded and deleted Online Dating,
Like I'd be like, I'm back in the game, baby,
And after three days I was like, fucking deleted it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I was like, cannot face it. That's normal. It's normal
to have your highs and lows, so I want people
to have fun with it. You guys would be bored
shitless if we came on here and kept saying, hey, guys,
another success story, Like you don't want to hear that,
but you want to hear what I'm about to tell you.
So if I didn't see this off my friend's phone
in person, I would have said bullshit. Like if somebody
(04:44):
wrote this into the podcast as like there, I don't know,
just a story, a dating story, I would have said
it was made up. But I've seen it with my
own lives.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
And I just it's just hard for me to fathom
that this is where we're at.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So my friend was on this on the dating app.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
She'd met this guy and he was forty sustable, job,
seemed great. They were talking for two weeks online and
it was seemed great, right, so they met up for
a first date. First date went well, not like, not
that huge sparks, but not terrible enough to be like, yeah,
let's see each other again.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So a week went past and they had a second
date and they.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Weren't you know, like in between it's only a week
or so, you text once or twice whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So they went on the second day, which was also fine.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Again not like oh butterflies, this is the one, but
not terrible, not fireworks.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But you kind of go, well, maybe I should be
going for the slow burn.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
There was just not a lot there, but seemed like
a normal, nice enough guy. Anyway. She then had to.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Go overseas for two weeks, so just bad timing for
things when they're flowing. So she went overseas and on
the first day that she had left, he had messaged
and just said like, hey, how about a third date.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Come to my house. I'll cook a few whatever, And.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So she was like, I knew that obviously, that's the
sexy time date, like that's and she said, I just
knew it that moment that it wasn't for me, Like
I wasn't excited by it, I didn't want to I
didn't see a future with him, no part of me
wanted to go whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And so she just didn't write back. She just was like,
do I owe him something? Like we've been on two dates?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I just breathed in then, because I'm like, you could
have replied, but sure continue.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So she figured that out, so because she's a really
good person, but she just got overseas and she she
thought about it for a day or two, and then
she got busy with her family and friends. Two weeks
went past, and she'd realized, wow, it's been two weeks.
I probably should have messaged him, like two dates in
and so she felt bad, like originally she thought two dates,
I probably don't need to. She slept on it for
a fortnight and then she came back and she was like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
She wrote, Hey, I'm so sorry for the delay.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I've been overseas with my family and time just got
away from me and I just want to say that
you're a really great guy and I had a lot
of fun with you, and you know, I just don't
see a connection, and I just don't see it going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
She's like a really nice breakup message. She did apologize
that she had taken two weeks to respond, and she,
by all accounts I think, did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Nothing. He blanks her. He blanks her for two weeks,
blanks her. She moves on with a life. It's a month.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
A month goes past, and this has just happened on
the weekend, so a month has gone past. She just
thinks it's done. And then she gets a message from him.
I'm just going to play it for you because it's
a voice message.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So one month we need to disguise this. No, you
don't need to disguise this.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You absolutely did not need to disguise this. So no
communication for a month.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
She'd send a lovely breakup message, and this is what
she gets back.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Fuck off, that's not real. That is not what a
forty year old man said.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ten seconds of far in response to a breakup message.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He's a forty year old man, imagine being back.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But I was thinking that we were going down to
disguise his voice was like, you can't really out people's
voice on the podcast without them knowing about it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
When you go to we have to disguise it. I'm sorry,
I think it's the funniest thing that I have ever seen.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Did she send one back?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I said, please let it?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I said, please let one rip back. You need to
far back, and she's like, I can't bring myself.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So I was like, a fucking him. She's like, what's
you gonna say? Show all these friends I fighted.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I was like, man, he's a child.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That's incredible in the worst way.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But imagine being that butt hurt You've been literally yeah,
pun intended, but hurt. The far after that the hammorrhots.
Imagine just like.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
That is insane, that is mad.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
How do you?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
How do you after two dates? You're still thinking about
this after four weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I'm just going to formulate the best response. Let me
think about it for a month, and that's what you
come up with.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I wonder if he had conversations with his friends and
it was like a group decisions, like a bit of
a deliberation.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And they were like, what's the funniest thing that you
turn back?
Speaker 7 (09:17):
It is pretty fun but the funniest pretty funny, but
it's intane. The funniest thing it's on WhatsApp, so's he
knows she's seen it with the blue ticks.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Anyway, that's the that's the response. And I just thought
I was in hysterics.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I could not breathe, and I said, I'm so sorry,
I'm laughing. I was like, because I know this is
grim for you, that this is what the dating. And
she thought it was funny as well.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Funny but like you're like, come on, I just.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Think I'm speechless.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I know it's hard to believe. And this is what
I mean. If somebody wrote this into the podcast, There's
no way. I was like, there's no ways. And forty
year old man's farting at you in response to a
breakoup message. That's just not happening. But it truly did happen.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But I just think, like all he's done is reiterate
that she made the right decision. Dred, Like, all you've
done is be like, oh cool, I'm going to double down.
Do you think you'd feel that way if the response
was immediate or do you think it's weirder that there
was a month in between.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's so straight. I almost get it. I hate that
I'm going to say this I almost get it. If
she sent the message in him and just farted back,
like I would have been like, okay, psycho, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But the fact that he's sat on it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
For a month and he's formulated this brilliant, thought provoking response.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it's because it goes from being immature to
both immature.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And pathetic, because you're like, why are you still thinking
about that after a month's time?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Ben?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I told Ben this morning because I was just I
was just so funny to me. I told Ben, and
I played it to him and he laughed. He's like,
it can't be real, and.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I said, no, it is. I've seen it on her
like this is.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
A very close friend, and I was like, I saw
it on her phone.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I saw the whole message shape.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And Ben's like, it's just weird that a guy would
be thinking about this after a month, after two days
you didn't even hook up, like you didn't even leave together.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's kind of that thing when you're messaging back and
forth with someone and it's like one two one two
one too, it's really quick, and then all of a
sudden they take hours and hours to reply, and so
in your head you're like, well, I'm also going to
take hours and hours to reply, and so he in
his head, he's like, she's taken two weeks to respond
to me at all, I'm going to take a month.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I need to be longer so that it looks less desperate.
But that is about the most desperate thing you could
ever send.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In return, I thought of, like, I'll show her the
fact that there are.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Like forty year old people, they have jobs.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You could be friends with someone who thinks that it's
a good idea to like imagine finding out that your
friend who's forty that thinks it's a good idea to
send a fart voice I know. I feel like the
only good thing about this is that she'll be able
to use it as like a dating horror story. Well
shodn that, Like she could add that to her profile though,
you know, like, I'll know you're the one when you
don't take a month to send me a voice note
(11:51):
for a fart, because that actually happens.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's one of the funniest dating stories I've heard in
a really long time. So please, Like we're always going
to say online dating is amazing, but if you have
these stories, you need to sell them to us, because
we are never going to stop talking about them.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
With something else that I absolutely love that people sent
through was last week Britt and I told Laura the
story about the very dramatic and very sad thirty six
hours that I spent with Delilah when I thought that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
She had a tumor growing from within her.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Gum that turned out to actually be a dreadlock that
had launched itself onto her gum somehow calcified and become firm.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You need to see the photos, though, because people laugh.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And they're like, how did you mistake a dreadlock for
a mass, But you really did it almost like emulsified
and melted into her gum.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I actually had a VET messaged me as well and
be like, I can see where the confusion was. However,
most people were like, I can see where the confusion
was if you're just looking at a photo. I don't
know how the VET didn't actually investigate more on that later.
We'll get to that a later time. I'm to come
back to that. Yes, so we actually asked you guys,
what silly thing did you end up at the vets for.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Some of them had me in hysterics. He ate a
dead bat. I had to take it to a facility
so they could test its brain for viruses.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What's the end? Was there a virus?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, it's COVID two.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Boen.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I thought my dog was going blind.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Seven hundred dollars to tell me he had dust in
his eye.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
We're not laughing at the illnesses here, but they're fine.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Of course, all the dead bat as it turns out,
so I thought my puppy ate a sock. Five hundred
dollars later, I found the sock tucked under the rug.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Okay, this one, Delilah has been guilty of this. You
guys will know because I've told you about it. My
border collie had a really bad limp. Turns out he
fakes it to get attention. Eight hundred dollars later.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Dude, remember when Delilah did that? Recently?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I took it to the vet. I also sent it
to doctor Chris Brown. I sent whole I'm sorry, doctor Chris.
I sent twelve minutes of video footage of her. She
wouldn't go up and down the stairs, she couldn't get
into bed, she wouldn't get in the lounge.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Took it to the vet.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
She ran on in there and got a tree to
run out. I was like, what so like sometimes they'd
do this for attention. I was like, this stick has
more attention than Kim Kardashi yet.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Than anything you've ever known.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
We had our eight year old dog to sex because
he had a lump on his balls.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It turns out it was just a Maussie bike.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
My dog strained her tail from wagging it too much.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
This one was a bit sad. I thought my dog
was having a seizure. I rushed him to the vet.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Turned out he'd been asleep too long and his legs
just had pins and needles.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Maybe that's what Delilah had. Maybe it wasn't attention, you'd just.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Been sleeping too long.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Oh oh, this is funny. This is something that I
think Buster would do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Laura's Buster his red rocket got stuck outside of his penis.
I'm pretty sure I don't want a defamation case from Buster,
but I'm pretty sure Buster's penis has gotten stuck before.
Nest lived with Laura a long time. You reckon his
penis got stuck. Yeah, and it was an expensive vet trip.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It was a horny boy. You don't know how you
get that back in.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You have not seen a dog's penis more than Buster's penis.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
It's always our I feel like Laura's not here to
defend him, and I don't want Busted to be embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You know. The funniest thing is because he's only got
three legs. In photos, the leg can't even block it.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's just on display. It's just like it's just there.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
This one was my dog ate an entire box of
essential oils. I no, that would make it so see
do you reckon they were calm?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Do you reckon it calms? The more do you reckon
that they fart smell like peppermint poison?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Instead of what am I doing staging? The dog just
walks around farting and it's fine. What are those diffuses?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's just coming out of the dog instead.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, last one, and I am guilty of this as well.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm a vet nurse and a lot of.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
People bring their dogs in for ticks, but they're actually nipples.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
This one came in a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I found out that apparently male dogs also have like nipples.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I thought that the female men have nipples. Why wouldn't
That is the dumbest thing you've ever said.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I've always just thought that no female dogs in the
London do not scoot through this.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
How did you not know that a male dog has nipples?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Do women dogs have women dogs? Well, female dogs have
more or do they have the same amount.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Don't try and ask smart questions to flex from what
you just did.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
At the time of the year that it is.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Are you walking around in a lot of houses have
their Halloween decorations up?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You know what? A few?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
My area is pretty I'm in bond I and there
are some areas that like smash it. My street like
has I think two houses currently?
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Really?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Okay, So I've moved to the Inner West, which is
more like family zone, and there are heaps of houses
decorated with Halloween stuff and I absolutely love it. You
guys mocked me last year because I came with my
ghost spooky buns. I'm thinking I'm going to do a
bit of a version of that next week, an elevated
version of ghost Spooky Buns. If you need an easy
hairstyle for your child, I will send you the link
to how to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think, do you know, I think the podcast is
going to commit. I think we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Okay, We're gonna do a Halloween episode, I think so.
So I've come up with a bit of a different idea. Obviously,
I'm a new mum, but to a dog, and my
dog can do lots of very good tricks.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Now, I've never really been the type of person who.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Has like treats for kids that are doing trick or treating,
just because usually it gets.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
To the day and I kind of forget about it.
And also I'm not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Really I'm just not really the type of person who
wants heaps of people knocking at my front door. But
I think this year, because all the houses are getting involved,
I'm gonna do it. I think I'm gonna buy lots
of like chocolates and little individually.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Wrapped things terrible for the environment, but play on.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Oh I'm terrible. I like close the blinds to pretend
I'm not home.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I like stop drop and roll by the lounge and
I'm like, don't move, don'll know you're here.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So I'm wondering.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know, a lot of people these days we're talking
about the fact that our pets are actually our children,
and some people roll their eyes at that. But I'm
realizing that there's a gap in the market and it's
for dog trick and treating.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Hear me out.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Dogs get dressed up, Dogs go to the houses that
are decorated.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Dogs do a trick for a treat. Okay, you know,
but do you think it's brilliant?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, very dog Halloween. It's exclusionary of the of the
huge cat No, I mean the human children.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Like you can bring whatever pet you have. Okay, you
can bring a goal fish for all like care. I
think that we've been excluding the pets so far too long,
and I think the pets are actually the ones who
do the tricks and.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Therefore deserve the treat. A lot of pets dress up.
I just don't think they be made to do tricks.
But here is where it bothers me. Halloween. I can
guarantee you kids are not doing tricks for treats.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But it's like Christmas.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Kids disassociate it with presents, like there's no meaning behind
anything anymore, and people forget that you used to have
to do like kids spoke, so you know that it's
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's the threat of a trick. It's trick or treat.
If you don't give me a treat, I will come
and play a trick on you.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Oh, I thought it's too a trick. Do a backflip
fucking tap dance for me?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Tap dance maybe earn your violet crumble.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But I yeah, okay, this is where we're going. You've
got your idea of making dogs do tricks.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Fuck it, kids, tap dance for.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Me, or you're not getting a chocolate if you need
to be doing a trick to earn your treat.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
For sure, you guys might have.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Last Wednesday we saw a new and improved quote. Some
people don't think it is a new had improved. Victoria's
Secrets runway show come back for the second year in
a row. So they've had a bit of a hiatus
since like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, took a couple of
years off and they're back. And now they are back
with some of the og angels again. So we've got
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Alexandra Ambrosio, Adriana Lima, and Jasmine Tuks. Now Jasmine Tuks
she is an og angel, but she actually opened this
year's Victoria's Secret Show and she's heavily pregnant. I think
she must be eight months, like she's nine there you go,
she's nine months, Like she's literally about to pop. She
opened the show and she was smoke soho hot. But
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we had some new additions as well, So we had
Angel Reese. Now I don't know if you guys know
who Angel Reese is, but she is one of the
best players in the WNBA, like the Women's Basketball League.
I actually watched a docco on her not that long ago,
and she's she's brilliant. She's beautiful and brilliant, but she's
an athlete. And we had Iris Law, which is Fod
Law's daughter. So there's a lot of people saying Neppo baby,
(20:03):
but she's also a beautiful model and Sonny Lee. Now,
Victoria's Secrets has reversed its woke branding. So back in
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, we did see and we discussed
it on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Back then, we did see them. I guess I want
to almost.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Say, adhere to societal pressures to have a show that
was more diverse and more inclusive and for want.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Of a better word, more woke.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But the reaction to this show wasn't quite what they
had hoped, and they just saw marketing absolutely plummet, which
is why we saw them take a break for a
couple of years. So now Victoria's Secret is back, and
it has reversed its woke branding and has gone back
to its more traditional sexy image that it had many
many years ago. And there's been a lot of reactions
off the back of it that are going both ways.
(20:48):
And I say this because Keishra and I we even
had different reactions when we were talking about this. Originally
I sent some reels to Keishare on Instagram and I
sent reels like, wow.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Ah, look at this show. Look at these women.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
They are incredible, Like they're beautiful. The fashion, how extravagant
it was. It was back to being over the top
and high end glamour. And Keisha said, I don't even
want to open it. You're like, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
To look at it. And we had vastly differing reactions.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
To be honest, when I saw them, I just didn't
have any emotion.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I didn't care. I didn't feel the need to look
at it. I didn't feel the need to swipe through
the photos. And I think it's probably because, like being honest,
going back to the whole twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, when
it was initially taken off, because there were so many
allegations of sexual harassment, even sexual assault.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
There was so much misogyny. That was when the company was.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Under the leadership of Leslie Wexner and Ed Razik.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
We actually spoke about this on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I feel like it must have been just before the
show actually came back last year, and we talked about
this whole you know, how are they going to come back?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Can they actually rebrand from what they used to be?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
For me, I don't think I can actually get past
the fact that so many people had issues with diet.
Could I had issues with their own body image that
I think directly stemmed from Victoria's Secret And whether that's
you know, me being a little bit bitter towards them, probably,
but just think that, you know, they went from being
this whole fantasy super sexy, and then because the way
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that culture was moving and people were saying, we're really
tired of this, was tired of the male gaze, were
tired of this hyper sexualization of women. Alongside the fact
that we found out there was so much harassment happening
behind the scenes, them then pivoting and trying to like
really tone down the sexiness of the brand, and they
went into like athleisure, they went into plain colored pajamas,
(22:37):
and they really pulled it back, and they had kind
of more normies, you know, walking the runway rather than
these supermodels.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I wasn't surprised that a lot of people were like.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
This is virtue signaling and this is woke washing, Like
you're pretending like you care about these things. You're pretending
like you care about diversity. You fucking don't you actually
care about sales, and you think that this is the
way the culture's going.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Prized when that change and the whole pullback of this sexy,
luxurious style of branding actually resulted in a lot less
market sales.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, but I have a few things I want to
say to that.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Firstly, the question of can a brand recover and do
we hold a brand accountable? When there were certain people
in charge, there were so many problematic things happening behind
the scenes when it was under their leadership, and it's
not anymore. It's been revamped this new leadership. Hillary super
became CEO in late twenty twenty four, and it's under
her that they've pivoted back to this unapologetically sexy Victoria's
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secrets runway show, which we will get into. So for
me personally, I can happily look at that brand now
under new leadership. I can attribute a time under a
certain leadership and not necessarily carry those thoughts through for
the brand because I can understand that there were two
problematic men behind the scenes. Then now there's a woman,
so I can happily relook at a brand and say, hey,
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they're taking a new direction. I'm not going to just
hold on to that association of what they were. Secondly,
in terms of woke washing, this is where I start
to get a little bit of a I mean, and
they're gonna be who they disagree with me. But it's
pretty problematic for me when we pile on a brand,
for example, and I'm not just using Victoria's secrets, like
it happens all the time. Society piles on a brand
(24:17):
and says be better, have change, be more inclusive. We
want to see it. We're sick of seeing this shit.
So the brand does it, and then we say, oh,
but you don't mean it. You're not doing it well enough,
like you don't want You're only doing this because we
told you to. What did you want the brand to
do because you've said to them be better and be
more inclusive. So they do it, and then you say
(24:38):
it's not good enough. And that's where my problem comes,
because you can't push and demand change and then it happens,
and then you still fuck them off like it doesn't
work like that. There has to be a level where
you're like, oh, cool, okay, so they're trying. Maybe they
haven't nailed it, but at least they're working in the
same direction. The problem is now because we push back
on that as a society and said bullshit, I.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Don't mean it. You avoided that brand, they're marketing plummeted.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They're sales plummeted. So they're now like, fuck you, we'll
go back to the way we used to be. We tried,
it didn't work. We're gonna go back to this unapologetically
sexy pulling away from wokeism but still being inclusive marketing.
And I think, I mean it's early days, because it's
the show's only just happened. I think they're gonna see
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sales skyrocket.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I think that you know, I probably have to hold
my hand up and say that I would be someone
who's guilty of doing what you just said, Like for me,
I was like, this feels so inauthentic, though, like, stop
pretending to be something, Stop pretending to have the morals
of something that you don't have, just because you think
it's going to convert into sales.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
But I think they're.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Better that they pretend kish it because at least but
then then they're making how does change happen? If change
doesn't happen, so you want the change, you can't then
say don't pretend. Isn't it better that as a society, everyone,
whether they believe it or not, at least it's happening.
And from the outset, we're seeing these campaigns in windows,
we're seeing them on TV. That is ten times better
than for me than saying no, just be honest, show
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us how fucked you are, Like that's not going to
change anything.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I think it's more so because I think that they're
doing it as a way to misguide you or mislead
you so that they can still get your sales.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like for me, it feels misleading.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, we live in a consumerism environment.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yes, and it turns out we actually might be at
a point of consumer fatigue, which is what we wanted
to talk about. Today and whether this is not actually
specific just to Victoria's secret. We're seeing it happen amongst
quite a few different brands. But are we at the
point now where we are so exhausted from this purity
culture and brands sharing their social justice messages or you know,
(26:40):
having values that we may or may not align with
and us needing to figure out which side of politics
they sit on. Are we so exhausted from that that
it's actually quite refreshing to turn back to this more
nostalgic sex cells type of advertising, or are we kind
of pushing the feminism needle back in the opposite direction now?
Like you said, Britt, this show, it wasn't like they
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completely went back to just being the skinny white haven't
eaten in three weeks, potentially has had plastic surgery, supermodels.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
They did still tick quite a lot of the diversity boxes.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Like you said, they had a nine month pregnant Jasmine
Ticks open the show. They also had their first professional
athletes get their wings, so there was like you said,
Angel Reese, but there was also Sunny Lee and now
she is a gymnast. They had a trans model in
Alex Consani, and there were models of all different sizes,
all different skin tones. You know, I think that they
still did a good job of representing different categories of people,
(27:33):
and I'm not going to criticize them for that.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
They also had multiple angels. Funny that we call them angels,
but it was cute. They had multiple angels in their
mid forties. So it wasn't just ages either.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
YEA.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Now, in terms of the actual lingerie, that's really where
we've seen the biggest change. We've got the double push
up bras back, We've got more bling, we've got really
sexy garment, huge wings, elaborate show, and that was very,
very deliberate. Hilary Super who became the CEO last year,
she came out saying that this rebrand is going to
focus on very sexy. It is unapologetically sexy, and it's
(28:06):
kind of led Brittan I to asking the question, is
woke branding dead or is it just being recalibrated.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I listened to a really interesting reel from a creator
called Karl's J Soda. She actually has a master's on
beauty standards, AI and culture.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We'll link that too because it's a fascinating look.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This whole video actually went for three minutes, so I've
cut it down just to save a little bit of time.
But she actually made a comment in it in her
caption that said, We've spent years watching brands and institutions
embraced diversity, not as something meaningful, but as something performative.
Inclusion became a marketing strategy. Now, interestingly, this video was
actually from August and it was in response to Sydney
Sweeney in the American Eagle campaign. But it's really interesting
(28:44):
to me that it is so relevant right now.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
The era of the woke rebrand is over. This consumer
exhaustion is a combination of years of surface level branding
that talks down to real people. The work industrial complex
started as a response to the two thousand sixteen Black
Lives Matter movement and broken to mainstream around twenty twenty
during the pandemic. With so much civil unrest and the
unsettling rise of cancel culture, the capital class believed that
(29:09):
brands needed to embrace social justice issues and pushed progressive
ideology to maintain their market share. And in their defense,
this was backed by consumer research which showed the next
generation would only purchase from brands that aligned with their values.
But the truth of business always remained that people rely
on brands to solve their problems, not to preach about
ideology and serve up everything with a sided guilt. This
era of wokeness encouraged delusions, turning marketing into activism and
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activism into a spectator sport. It rewarded outrage, mop think,
and performative victimhood, and the result was a new arm
of cancel culture. Zalots emerged, hijacking comment threads and canceling
brands for every possible misstep. Everything from the Internet itself
to our purchased choices and who we chose to associate
with was subject to an ideological purity test. The problem
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with that being the horizon kept shifting, which meant you
could not be ideologically pure enough, and the result consumers fatigue.
People are exhausted by it. What workness did culturally is
tell people don't bother, don't try to be fit, to
be beautiful, to be excellent, because it was elitist and exclusionary.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I think she's brilliant. I love the way she articulates it.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I could not have I mean, yeah, I couldn't have
even read it better myself, Like I could have read
her words, she articulates it really really well, and I
think it just goes back, like on a really dumb
down level, goes back to what I said at the start,
where it's like a brand can do something and it's
still not good enough. And that's exactly what she has
said in a smart way. She's saying, like, you've pushed
the brands on this with the woke cancel culture. You've
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said be better, you said, do more, you said, we
don't want to associate with you unless you're you know,
you have these ideologies where you're contributing to our better world.
Then they do it and it's still not enough. We
still want to continue canceling them. And I think that
we have one hundred percent hit consumer fatigue. We talk
about it ourselves in our friendship circles. We're exhausted by it.
(30:53):
The last couple of years, for a multitude of reasons,
in society has seen like the highest level of this
care culture that we've ever seen, and this constant attacking
of people online, whether you're a brand, whether you're an influencer,
whether you are an everyday person, and it doesn't matter
what level of brand you wear either. It's not just
the victorious secrets of the world. It was like small
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independent brands too. The problem is there is a part
of us that doesn't want to just look at the
same mundane, normal every day. There's a part of us
that wants to look at a bit of a fantasy,
unachievable world as much as we want to look at
the regular every day. And I say that because you
think of shows like the Kardashians. The Kardashians are the
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most famous people in the world, the entire family, every
single one of them. What they deliver every single week
for the last I don't know what it's been sixteen
years or something that their show has been going. There's
a reason that they are so popular and so famous,
and it's because they are so unrelatable and unachievable, and
they live a life that you can only like, you
can't fathom, you cannot imagine what it would be like
(31:55):
to even have one day in their life. And there
is a part of us as a society that wants
that we want to see how the other half live,
and we want to have these fantasies, and you want
to have something in a way to I guess be
striving for and working for and bettering yourself. But I
do think that we got sick as a society of
just like Kylie said, not having something to strive for
(32:18):
or work for or be inspired by.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
In a way, I understand what you mean by this
whole like aspirational thing, and I think I probably sit
a little bit more halfway with the whole accountability versus
impurity test, you know, Like, I do agree with the
fact that if a brand, especially a small business, was
coming out saying we're trying to you know, focus on
our cub and footprint, We're trying to like be environmental,
the next question would likely be, well, what are you
(32:42):
doing about something else?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
You know, like?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And I do feel as though there was that level
of like, you could never be doing anything good.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Enough, and so people kind of stopped trying.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
They just got to the point where it was so
exhausting to keep on trying to do the right thing.
I think for me, I do want to live a
bit more halfway. If I find out that some big
brand has really big issues with the way it treats
women or the way it you know, uses slave labor,
I want them to be accountable for that, and I
want them to be canceled for that, and I don't
want that to go away, but I do tend to
(33:11):
agree that I think these things kind of did get
to a bit of a saturation point where I rolled
my eyes, going, oh gosh, this brand is now wrapping
themselves in a rainbow and pretending, you know what I mean,
Like it just felt inauthentic, and it felt as though
they were just kind of trying to slap their brand
on any type of social justice cause for the sake
of it, you know, whether it not be related to
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what they actually did, or whether they actually didn't embody
those values. You know, I really I became exhausted by
it the most when I found out that the values
of the company didn't align with what their marketing was
saying that they were. And that probably goes all the
way back to Victoria's Secret. But I wanted to bring
two examples to you. One of a brand this year
that is being described as go Go broke.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So Jaguar a couple of months ago came out with this.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Ad that felt quite disjointed from any of their previous
mine marketing, so it focused on it focused on social
justice issues that had to do with gender identity, and
electric cars, and like the ad felt very strange in
comparison to what Jaguar had brought out before, and it
caused uproar in their traditional customers. I want you to
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think about the type of person who was more than
likely to purchase a.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Luxury car being a Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Now their sales have gone down by ninety seven percent.
It is not just because of the ad, though they
did face a significant pushback because of this ad. However,
they've stopped making those type like older production models of
the cars and they're going to focus more onto like
electric cars. So it's hard to actually get data as
to whether it was a case of go WoT go
(34:44):
broke or whether it was just the.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Fact that they've had this halting production.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And you mentioned American Eagle before in Sydney Sweeney, and
she's an interesting example because she brought in a million
new customers for American Eagle. Her jacket in that campaign
sought out in a day, her gene sold out in
a week. Unequivocally, it was a brilliant marketing campaign. And
now you guys will remember the controversy around that because
a lot of people are saying there were themes of
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genetic superiority and this white beauty norm because she is
a stunning blondhaired, blue eyed woman and they use the
puns with jeans and gens. We don't need to rehash
at the whole world was talking about it. I'm not
convinced that their success in marketing was because they used
Sidney Sweeney. I think their success in this product and
this ad was off the fact that it was so controversial,
(35:33):
and we know that controversy sells. We know that with
on every level, from a small business to an online
influencer to a company like this. Once you get people talking,
they say like, any publicity is good publicity, and I
think she was a really good representation of that.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, we're even seeing this pushback, Like I know, Alex
Earl was part of the Carl's Junior Burger's commercials and
they've been traditionally very very sexy, and there were comments
on the new one of that saying things like, oh,
finally we've got a hot girl eating burgers back on
our screens, Like finally we are going back to this
traditional marketing that is just meant to be very good
looking people that we aspire to either be like or
(36:10):
be with.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And we're not saying that that's right too.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Like, No, I don't think that this is happening as
a coincidence.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I think it is very very much happening because Donald
Trump is back in power.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
We're seeing these conservative values touted.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
You know, all of the DEI and the LGBTIQ plus riots.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Being withdrawn from America.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
We've seen a lot of companies over there stop doing
their pride celebrations. We've also seen a push into like
this nationalist style of advertising. I'm not sure if you
guys have seen these types of things on TikTok or Instagram,
but because of the tariffs that Donald Trump imposed, a
lot of American companies are coming out with this national
messaging of we are American, born, bred, made here, spend
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with us because we are American, and that is superior.
So I don't think that these things are happening by coincidence.
I think that we are seeing a very deliberate shift
back to and I'm putting this in air Buddies nostalgia
of male gaze, conservative sexy advertising because we are, and
again air Buddies sick of what the last five years
(37:12):
did to us. So I think with all of this considered,
do you think that we have reached a point of
consumer exhaustion of social justice messaging and advocacy kind of
being or some people would say, push down our throats.
Do you think that woke branding is dead or do
you think that we are just kind of having a
shift in the way that it's being done.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I think woke branding is shifting, for sure. I think
there's an amalgamation now from being extreme and woke to
people saying, hey, you know what we see through it,
You're virtue signaling and we know why you're doing it.
And I think after four to five years of seeing
woke branding in cancel culture to the extreme, we are
going to see I really meet in the middle kind
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of marketing and branding where people are still going to
be inclusive like Victoria's Secrets was here, but they're not
going to pretend anymore because people can see straight through it.
And I think we went as a society, we went
too hard for too long, because I know so many
people in my life that have had enough. Every time
they see something or hear something, they'll send it, they'll
talk about it in our friendships groups and be like
(38:15):
fucking they're like, I've had enough of this stuff, Like,
let's just go back to being able to be literate
in what we consume and what we believe and make
your own independent choices instead of having things thrown down
our mouths and in our faces consistently online, which is
what we have seen for the last five years.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
How do you feel, I think most people, myself probably included,
we will feel a little bit refreshed, and we will
feel like a little bit relieved that this is not
the only type of marketing that is coming towards us.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It makes me slightly concerned that this.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Is because there are conservative powers that are kind of
ruling the world right now, because I think that we
could push the needle too far back into the other direction,
where we get back into these problematic areas of like
only having a certain type of hot, only having a
certain type of person that we aspire to be like,
and if.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You can't see it, you can't be it. So I
do kind of sit.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Halfway in between where I feel as though we need
a little bit of a recalibration because it did become exhausting,
but I don't want it to disappear entirely.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think Victoria's Secrets have nailed it. If the pendulum
swings too far left, it always comes back right, and
the same thing, if it goes too far right, it
comes back left. I think they've almost stopped in the middle.
And the reason I say that is they have managed
to produce this fantasy, aspirational, inspirational, very sexy show that
has also been so inclusive. It has had models in
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their mid forties, it has had pregnant models, people of color,
it has trans models, it has athletes. It's tick the
boxes without trying. At the end of the day, we
do want representation and inclusion, and I think we have
nailed that with The Victoria's Secret Show.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Because it shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Matter if a brand really means the messaging that they're
saying or they're just presenting the messaging, because at the
end of the day, we want to see it on
our screens. So if they're doing the job and the
everyday person who's looking up and seeing themselves represented, does
it really matter if they truly believe it.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
For me, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It's more important to see these people in our screens.
And I think Victoria's Secrets have done a really good
job of meeting in the middle, it's time for accidentally unfiltered.
So last year I went as ray Gun to my
friend's Halloween party. Beforehand, I was at my new friendship
group's house for pre drinks. I met my other friends
and family there and another friend's boyfriend for the very
(40:32):
first time. So she's gone to this new place. She's
obviously like trying to impress people.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Being ray Gun. They wanted me to dance.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I did the typical Raygun moves and then did the worm.
When I finished one of my worms, I went onto
my knees and a huge flat came out. It was
dead silent, and everyone just looked at me. To make
it worse, my friend filmed the whole dance and the
flat was included. I'm still best friends with them, so
lucky my moves must have worded them. He's so funny.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
But it makes me think when I was on Dancing
with the Stars, and I think I told you guys once,
I was doing a practice and it was silent and
just I just fart it quefed in Craig's face.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
My dance was like properly in his face as well.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh yeah, his head was down there and I quef.
I think what's worse it was the reverse worm.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
That it must be the worm, it must like do
something to you, like the air, but you're like sucking.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I think that in this situation, the thing that's worse
for them is the fact that it was filmed, because
you could kind of try and get away with it
and be like, no, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
It wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
There's actually like video evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
You're like, it was my knee on the ground, it
wasn't your farted. All right, let's do second, sweet keish
you want to start?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Do you know what I actually I know that this
is like a kind of against the rules. I'm so
hesitant to have a suck this week, and it's because
I have had such such a really good week. I
think the only suck I could say is that it's
felt very busy. We've had a lot going on, but
it's all been really good stuff. And so I want
to be very careful like complaining about that and saying
that you know that was my stuck, because it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Kind of wasn't. And my suite this.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Week is that I'm having kind of like a recalibration
of what feels really really important to me. And I've
had a lot of these moments throughout the week where
I've just been like, fuck, this is what life's about, Like,
this is it.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
This is the longest I've ever heard for you to
say you don't have a suck.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
This is a lot about Oh that's just my sweet
has been that. Like, I genuinely have had quite a
few of these moments in the past probably two weeks,
where I have I've been able to zoom out and
kind of acknowledge that this was a life that I
dreamt of, you know, I know that. And there are
some things that we got to interview Teddy Swims. That's
been a big thing for us for quite a long time.
(42:38):
Like there's been some really good professional things and things
that have seemed to be out of reach at one
stage where I've realized that now we're actually living it.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
But it's also been.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Really I guess you could say, basic things that I
am having the evaluation of the fact that that is
like where I get a lot of purpose out of life.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I had this moment a week.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Ago I posted about this where I was swim with Bonnie,
my new puppy, and Delilah and two of my really
really good friends on a Saturday morning, and I just
had this moment where I was like, this is a
life I dreamt of five years ago.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
If you had have said to me, what type of
life do you want to live? This is it?
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Like I've actually got these things in my life right
now that I spent so long wishing I had, and
I think that I can. I think everyone can be
guilty of this, but for some reason, I think that
I can be particularly guilty of it. I really don't
stop and smell the roses. I don't stop and acknowledge that,
you know, these things that I have right now are
what I always wanted. And so I'm trying to be
a lot more present in that and trying to acknowledge it.
(43:40):
And interestingly, they're not coming from the things that I
thought they would. They're not coming from the massive career
goals or getting to do something luxurious or really really cool.
They're coming from the smaller moments where I'm realizing that
all I actually ever wanted on a Saturday morning was
to go swimming with my dog.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
And that's been really hard for me. And I know
that this might be a little bit of.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
A like deep and meaningful, but it genuinely has been
kind of consuming me this week, and I've really been
thinking about how I can focus more of my attention
and my energy on those small moments and having like
a lot of gratitude for them.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Oh that must be nice.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
No, No, I was going to say, like we Kish
and I had this conversation in real life yesterday as well,
because I said to her, like I had the same
week where I thought, in my personal life, amy where
I want to be. No, of course, I'm so happy
I married the love of my life, but it's the
life I envisioned for myself. Wasn't seeing my husband every
three months and living day to day on my own?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
That wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
But I had the same thing yesterday where I said, fuck,
I am living a dream life for what I always
wanted for my career.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
And my suck this week, it's a good suck.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I just had the most awkward moment with when we
interviewed Teddy Swims right, so he was also a sweet
But when we interviewed Teddy and I, we walked out
to the lobby to meet them, and he came with
his entourage, so it was Teddy and he I had
all his PR team, marketing team and videographer and his
best friend and he travels with and there was like
an entourage, and at the forefront was his security guard.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
He was this very big, scary, intimidating man, like he
was hot. It was very good looking.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
He was hot, and he was actually also at his
backstage after party the other night, which lucky enough to
go to, Like, sorry, I have.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
To drop that.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
I was such a groupie. I was like, fuck, yes,
I'm going backstage anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I was like, do you know what, I'm going to
walk straight up to the security guard and introduce myself first,
you know, to put him at ease, and like didn't
even go to Teddy first because the security guard was first, right,
so I wasn't going to like push past him to
get to Teddy.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
I was like, I'm going to break the ice. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I went straight out to him with this big smile
on my face and put my hand out and I
was like Hi. I was like, I'm Brittany, nice to
meet you, put my hand out. I have never been
looked at the way that this security guard.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Looked at me. His hands did not move his.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Side he fucking touched me.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
He looked at me like I was pulling a gun
on him with my hand out, as if like, you
know how, you're not supposed to touch service dogs, you
know how, Like the rule is like drug dogs at
the airport, service dogs, you're not supposed to touch them
or distract them.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
That is, we're also not supposed to touch security.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, So my hand was out and it was the longest,
It felt like two minutes, and then we were just
staring at each other, and I was committed. I was like,
I don't want to make this any more awkward. But
I just held my hand out and we made eye
contact and I was like, who's gonna blink first? And
he looks me up and down, so angry, he says,
was so angry. He looked me up and down for
a couple of seconds and obviously deemed me not a threat,
(46:35):
put his hand out really quickly and gave it a shake.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Did he give you a shake?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I hugged most people in hugged.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
No.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
I got to the security guard last, so I had
kind of hugged everyone, And to be honest, I didn't
really didn't tell me a security guard I went to
I went sorry. I'd had five hugs before that. The
first one was out friend Thomas, who works for Warner Music.
He was security Teddy. I went to shake Teddy's hand,
and Teddy kind of indicated he was a hugger, which
I loved because I'm also a hugger.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, but this guy looks like the rock or how
were you confused?
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I was just it was all happening in the moment.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
The pressure was high, and I know I have turned
him to be like hello, And the way this man
looked at me, I was like, you're not a hugger,
You're dead.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
And then yeah, then I just turned around and walked
Maybe that can be.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
When we got to when we got to the after
party and I was leaving, I saw him in the
corner and I waved and even smiled again.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
He just gave me nothing, and I was like, Okay,
it just does.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
My sweet was also work related this week, so I
got to interview Teddy, which you guys know is a
huge thing for me because he was like my wedding song,
et cetera, et cetera, a huge fan. But this week
I got to interview five absolute Hollywood heavyweights.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Arguably the most famous person in the world. Yeah, if
not one of top.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Five, I would have to say, yeah, you'd have to say,
but these were five, yeah, five Hollywood superstars, absolutely iconic people,
and I cannot wait to tell you about it. It
was not for the podcast, it was for something else,
but we are going to use whatever I can get
on the podcast, But it was it was a moment
where I sat there after it I just got goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
I was like, how have I I shouldn't say how
have I gotten here?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I've done eight hundred podcast episodes and literally hundreds.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Of interviews, so I know how I got here. I
worked hard for it.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
But there was a moment where I thought this little
girl from Port mccruorie, who was just a body border
that Like, I was like, I just interviewed these people
and this is amazing, and I felt I was really
proud of myself for getting where I had gotten and
the fact that I got to do it, and it
was just like it was cool. It was just a
really cool moment and I just can't wait to share
that with you guys.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, I'm excited as well. I want the audio so
that we can put it on the book.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life
un Cut. I forgot that's it. That's it, that's it,
and that's the podcast podcast over. I don't even know
what to say. Hi guys, and welcome back to another
episode of Life on Cut.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Brittany and.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Britt It was really nice to find out that the
podcast my job's finished.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I were all done from the Daily Mail.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, daily Mail broke the news podcast is finished over
see yeah, no, there's people right now listening to like,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So, guys, we have been receiving a lot of messages.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
There was a Daily Mail article that came out that
said the podcast is finished, Life.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Un Cut no more, not in so many words.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It wasn't that far off.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It wasn't that borough.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
No. I think they said something like lifeun Cut in limbo.
I think of some of the little in their quality journalism.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, we do like alliteration.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, but what we do want to say is we
have been receiving a lot of very panicked messages about
the future of the podcast. We have said before and
I don't want to say that the podcast is never
going to finish in the history of time.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But the podcast, I.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Promise you, is not going anywhere. The podcast is absolutely
fine and we'll be continuing on like normal. That's what
we want to assure every single listener. We love it
like it's going to take a lot for this podcast
to finish, trust me.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So Kishi, you still have a job. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I like that security.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The headline was the future of Brittany Hockley and Laura
Burns's Life Uncut podcast uncertain after they part ways with
AARN following six successful years.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Look, I mean, I just will promise you that the
podcast is staying as is. We will not be taking
this content from your ears. I assure you that anyway.
With that out of the way, one of my good friends,
I've got a few friends that single and dating, and
I just I love it for them and I hate
it for them at the same time because I just
want them to find their penguin. But since I've been
off the market, like I used to bring this shit right,
(02:02):
and since I've been off the market, I feel bad.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That I heavily lean on my friends.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But the stories that they are coming with are just
so good that I cannot bring them to the podcast,
And I want to preface this with we got a
message the other day. To be fair, it was only one,
but we got a message that says, can you guys
not shit on dating so much? Like it's really hard
and we want to you know, I want to be
able to find my penguin and I want to have
some hope. We want you to have hope too. You know,
(02:29):
I met Ben online dating. I met Jordan online dating. Kisha,
you met your partner online dating. My sister got married
off Tinder. Like online dating is also great, but it
would be remiss of us not to highlight the actual
terms as well.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But also it's kind of funny, like like if I
get it, I do. I genuinely do. And I think
when you're in it and you're actually living it, you're like,
I don't also need to be hearing just the horror
stories because like I.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Want to hear the hope as well.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
And I've always said that, you know, a lot of
people shit on online dating, but like you said, we
wouldn't have met our partners. But I also think that
it opens you up to a whole realm of people
that obviously you wouldn't meet otherwise. Which can be a
really really good thing because it can mean that you
will find people with similar values to you. And I
had this conversation on the weekend as well with a
friend who's dating, and she was like.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Like, where do I go?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Where do I actually go and meet these people? And
I was like, well, unless you're the type of person
that you know you've got a fish where the fish
are right, and unless you're the type of person who
wants to be going out drinking, I don't know if
that's like.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's where I tried to find people and look at
how it turned out.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But even then, even of course you're going to meet
people when you go out drinking, but that might not
be the kind of person you want to meet either.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yes, And so she was like, I drop my daughter
to school, I go to work. She works in a
pretty female dominated industry, and like, not exclusively, but mostly
it will be women.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And she's like, I go and.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I pick up from school and then I go home,
Like where am I supposed to meet people? And I
was like, online, that's like the best option that you
do have, it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is, and like we tell you the success stories.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I want you guys to have so much hope, and
I do want you to enjoy online dating. I mean,
you go through phases, right, You're crazy if you don't
have your highs on loasing online dating.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Remember the joke used.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
To be here for me, one of many jokes, but
it was how many times I downloaded and deleted Online Dating,
Like I'd be like, I'm back in the game, baby,
And after three days I was like, fucking deleted it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I was like, cannot face it. That's normal. It's normal
to have your highs and lows, so I want people
to have fun with it. You guys would be bored
shitless if we came on here and kept saying, hey, guys,
another success story, Like you don't want to hear that,
but you want to hear what I'm about to tell you.
So if I didn't see this off my friend's phone
in person, I would have said bullshit. Like if somebody
(04:44):
wrote this into the podcast as like there, I don't know,
just a story, a dating story, I would have said
it was made up. But I've seen it with my
own lives.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
And I just it's just hard for me to fathom
that this is where we're at.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So my friend was on this on the dating app.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
She'd met this guy and he was forty sustable, job,
seemed great. They were talking for two weeks online and
it was seemed great, right, so they met up for
a first date. First date went well, not like, not
that huge sparks, but not terrible enough to be like, yeah,
let's see each other again.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So a week went past and they had a second
date and they.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Weren't you know, like in between it's only a week
or so, you text once or twice whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So they went on the second day, which was also fine.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Again not like oh butterflies, this is the one, but
not terrible, not fireworks.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But you kind of go, well, maybe I should be
going for the slow burn.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
There was just not a lot there, but seemed like
a normal, nice enough guy. Anyway. She then had to.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Go overseas for two weeks, so just bad timing for
things when they're flowing. So she went overseas and on
the first day that she had left, he had messaged
and just said like, hey, how about a third date.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Come to my house. I'll cook a few whatever, And.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So she was like, I knew that obviously, that's the
sexy time date, like that's and she said, I just
knew it that moment that it wasn't for me, Like
I wasn't excited by it, I didn't want to I
didn't see a future with him, no part of me
wanted to go whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And so she just didn't write back. She just was like,
do I owe him something? Like we've been on two dates?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I just breathed in then, because I'm like, you could
have replied, but sure continue.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So she figured that out, so because she's a really
good person, but she just got overseas and she she
thought about it for a day or two, and then
she got busy with her family and friends. Two weeks
went past, and she'd realized, wow, it's been two weeks.
I probably should have messaged him, like two dates in
and so she felt bad, like originally she thought two dates,
I probably don't need to. She slept on it for
a fortnight and then she came back and she was like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
She wrote, Hey, I'm so sorry for the delay.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I've been overseas with my family and time just got
away from me and I just want to say that
you're a really great guy and I had a lot
of fun with you, and you know, I just don't
see a connection, and I just don't see it going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
She's like a really nice breakup message. She did apologize
that she had taken two weeks to respond, and she,
by all accounts I think, did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Nothing. He blanks her. He blanks her for two weeks,
blanks her. She moves on with a life. It's a month.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
A month goes past, and this has just happened on
the weekend, so a month has gone past. She just
thinks it's done. And then she gets a message from him.
I'm just going to play it for you because it's
a voice message.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So one month we need to disguise this. No, you
don't need to disguise this.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You absolutely did not need to disguise this. So no
communication for a month.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
She'd send a lovely breakup message, and this is what
she gets back.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Fuck off, that's not real. That is not what a
forty year old man said.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ten seconds of far in response to a breakup message.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He's a forty year old man, imagine being back.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But I was thinking that we were going down to
disguise his voice was like, you can't really out people's
voice on the podcast without them knowing about it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
When you go to we have to disguise it. I'm sorry,
I think it's the funniest thing that I have ever seen.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Did she send one back?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I said, please let it?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I said, please let one rip back. You need to
far back, and she's like, I can't bring myself.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So I was like, a fucking him. She's like, what's
you gonna say? Show all these friends I fighted.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I was like, man, he's a child.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That's incredible in the worst way.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But imagine being that butt hurt You've been literally yeah,
pun intended, but hurt. The far after that the hammorrhots.
Imagine just like.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
That is insane, that is mad.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
How do you?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
How do you after two dates? You're still thinking about
this after four weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I'm just going to formulate the best response. Let me
think about it for a month, and that's what you
come up with.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I wonder if he had conversations with his friends and
it was like a group decisions, like a bit of
a deliberation.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And they were like, what's the funniest thing that you
turn back?
Speaker 7 (09:17):
It is pretty fun but the funniest pretty funny, but
it's intane. The funniest thing it's on WhatsApp, so's he
knows she's seen it with the blue ticks.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Anyway, that's the that's the response. And I just thought
I was in hysterics.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I could not breathe, and I said, I'm so sorry,
I'm laughing. I was like, because I know this is
grim for you, that this is what the dating. And
she thought it was funny as well.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Funny but like you're like, come on, I just.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Think I'm speechless.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I know it's hard to believe. And this is what
I mean. If somebody wrote this into the podcast, There's
no way. I was like, there's no ways. And forty
year old man's farting at you in response to a
breakoup message. That's just not happening. But it truly did happen.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But I just think, like all he's done is reiterate
that she made the right decision. Dred, Like, all you've
done is be like, oh cool, I'm going to double down.
Do you think you'd feel that way if the response
was immediate or do you think it's weirder that there
was a month in between.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's so straight. I almost get it. I hate that
I'm going to say this I almost get it. If
she sent the message in him and just farted back,
like I would have been like, okay, psycho, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But the fact that he's sat on it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
For a month and he's formulated this brilliant, thought provoking response.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it's because it goes from being immature to
both immature.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And pathetic, because you're like, why are you still thinking
about that after a month's time?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Ben?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I told Ben this morning because I was just I
was just so funny to me. I told Ben, and
I played it to him and he laughed. He's like,
it can't be real, and.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I said, no, it is. I've seen it on her
like this is.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
A very close friend, and I was like, I saw
it on her phone.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I saw the whole message shape.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And Ben's like, it's just weird that a guy would
be thinking about this after a month, after two days
you didn't even hook up, like you didn't even leave together.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's kind of that thing when you're messaging back and
forth with someone and it's like one two one two
one too, it's really quick, and then all of a
sudden they take hours and hours to reply, and so
in your head you're like, well, I'm also going to
take hours and hours to reply, and so he in
his head, he's like, she's taken two weeks to respond
to me at all, I'm going to take a month.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I need to be longer so that it looks less desperate.
But that is about the most desperate thing you could
ever send.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In return, I thought of, like, I'll show her the
fact that there are.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Like forty year old people, they have jobs.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You could be friends with someone who thinks that it's
a good idea to like imagine finding out that your
friend who's forty that thinks it's a good idea to
send a fart voice I know. I feel like the
only good thing about this is that she'll be able
to use it as like a dating horror story. Well
shodn that, Like she could add that to her profile though,
you know, like, I'll know you're the one when you
don't take a month to send me a voice note
(11:51):
for a fart, because that actually happens.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's one of the funniest dating stories I've heard in
a really long time. So please, Like we're always going
to say online dating is amazing, but if you have
these stories, you need to sell them to us, because
we are never going to stop talking about them.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
With something else that I absolutely love that people sent
through was last week Britt and I told Laura the
story about the very dramatic and very sad thirty six
hours that I spent with Delilah when I thought that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
She had a tumor growing from within her.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Gum that turned out to actually be a dreadlock that
had launched itself onto her gum somehow calcified and become firm.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You need to see the photos, though, because people laugh.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And they're like, how did you mistake a dreadlock for
a mass, But you really did it almost like emulsified
and melted into her gum.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I actually had a VET messaged me as well and
be like, I can see where the confusion was. However,
most people were like, I can see where the confusion
was if you're just looking at a photo. I don't
know how the VET didn't actually investigate more on that later.
We'll get to that a later time. I'm to come
back to that. Yes, so we actually asked you guys,
what silly thing did you end up at the vets for.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Some of them had me in hysterics. He ate a
dead bat. I had to take it to a facility
so they could test its brain for viruses.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What's the end? Was there a virus?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, it's COVID two.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Boen.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I thought my dog was going blind.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Seven hundred dollars to tell me he had dust in
his eye.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
We're not laughing at the illnesses here, but they're fine.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Of course, all the dead bat as it turns out,
so I thought my puppy ate a sock. Five hundred
dollars later, I found the sock tucked under the rug.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Okay, this one, Delilah has been guilty of this. You
guys will know because I've told you about it. My
border collie had a really bad limp. Turns out he
fakes it to get attention. Eight hundred dollars later.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Dude, remember when Delilah did that? Recently?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I took it to the vet. I also sent it
to doctor Chris Brown. I sent whole I'm sorry, doctor Chris.
I sent twelve minutes of video footage of her. She
wouldn't go up and down the stairs, she couldn't get
into bed, she wouldn't get in the lounge.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Took it to the vet.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
She ran on in there and got a tree to
run out. I was like, what so like sometimes they'd
do this for attention. I was like, this stick has
more attention than Kim Kardashi yet.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Than anything you've ever known.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
We had our eight year old dog to sex because
he had a lump on his balls.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It turns out it was just a Maussie bike.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
My dog strained her tail from wagging it too much.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
This one was a bit sad. I thought my dog
was having a seizure. I rushed him to the vet.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Turned out he'd been asleep too long and his legs
just had pins and needles.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Maybe that's what Delilah had. Maybe it wasn't attention, you'd just.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Been sleeping too long.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Oh oh, this is funny. This is something that I
think Buster would do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Laura's Buster his red rocket got stuck outside of his penis.
I'm pretty sure I don't want a defamation case from Buster,
but I'm pretty sure Buster's penis has gotten stuck before.
Nest lived with Laura a long time. You reckon his
penis got stuck. Yeah, and it was an expensive vet trip.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It was a horny boy. You don't know how you
get that back in.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You have not seen a dog's penis more than Buster's penis.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
It's always our I feel like Laura's not here to
defend him, and I don't want Busted to be embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You know. The funniest thing is because he's only got
three legs. In photos, the leg can't even block it.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's just on display. It's just like it's just there.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
This one was my dog ate an entire box of
essential oils. I no, that would make it so see
do you reckon they were calm?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Do you reckon it calms? The more do you reckon
that they fart smell like peppermint poison?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Instead of what am I doing staging? The dog just
walks around farting and it's fine. What are those diffuses?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's just coming out of the dog instead.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, last one, and I am guilty of this as well.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm a vet nurse and a lot of.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
People bring their dogs in for ticks, but they're actually nipples.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
This one came in a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I found out that apparently male dogs also have like nipples.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I thought that the female men have nipples. Why wouldn't
That is the dumbest thing you've ever said.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I've always just thought that no female dogs in the
London do not scoot through this.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
How did you not know that a male dog has nipples?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Do women dogs have women dogs? Well, female dogs have
more or do they have the same amount.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Don't try and ask smart questions to flex from what
you just did.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
At the time of the year that it is.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Are you walking around in a lot of houses have
their Halloween decorations up?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You know what? A few?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
My area is pretty I'm in bond I and there
are some areas that like smash it. My street like
has I think two houses currently?
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Really?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Okay, So I've moved to the Inner West, which is
more like family zone, and there are heaps of houses
decorated with Halloween stuff and I absolutely love it. You
guys mocked me last year because I came with my
ghost spooky buns. I'm thinking I'm going to do a
bit of a version of that next week, an elevated
version of ghost Spooky Buns. If you need an easy
hairstyle for your child, I will send you the link
to how to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think, do you know, I think the podcast is
going to commit. I think we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Okay, We're gonna do a Halloween episode, I think so.
So I've come up with a bit of a different idea. Obviously,
I'm a new mum, but to a dog, and my
dog can do lots of very good tricks.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Now, I've never really been the type of person who.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Has like treats for kids that are doing trick or treating,
just because usually it gets.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
To the day and I kind of forget about it.
And also I'm not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Really I'm just not really the type of person who
wants heaps of people knocking at my front door. But
I think this year, because all the houses are getting involved,
I'm gonna do it. I think I'm gonna buy lots
of like chocolates and little individually.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Wrapped things terrible for the environment, but play on.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Oh I'm terrible. I like close the blinds to pretend
I'm not home.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I like stop drop and roll by the lounge and
I'm like, don't move, don'll know you're here.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So I'm wondering.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know, a lot of people these days we're talking
about the fact that our pets are actually our children,
and some people roll their eyes at that. But I'm
realizing that there's a gap in the market and it's
for dog trick and treating.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Hear me out.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Dogs get dressed up, Dogs go to the houses that
are decorated.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Dogs do a trick for a treat. Okay, you know,
but do you think it's brilliant?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, very dog Halloween. It's exclusionary of the of the
huge cat No, I mean the human children.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Like you can bring whatever pet you have. Okay, you
can bring a goal fish for all like care. I
think that we've been excluding the pets so far too long,
and I think the pets are actually the ones who
do the tricks and.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Therefore deserve the treat. A lot of pets dress up.
I just don't think they be made to do tricks.
But here is where it bothers me. Halloween. I can
guarantee you kids are not doing tricks for treats.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But it's like Christmas.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Kids disassociate it with presents, like there's no meaning behind
anything anymore, and people forget that you used to have
to do like kids spoke, so you know that it's
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's the threat of a trick. It's trick or treat.
If you don't give me a treat, I will come
and play a trick on you.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Oh, I thought it's too a trick. Do a backflip
fucking tap dance for me?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Tap dance maybe earn your violet crumble.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But I yeah, okay, this is where we're going. You've
got your idea of making dogs do tricks.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Fuck it, kids, tap dance for.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Me, or you're not getting a chocolate if you need
to be doing a trick to earn your treat.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
For sure, you guys might have.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Last Wednesday we saw a new and improved quote. Some
people don't think it is a new had improved. Victoria's
Secrets runway show come back for the second year in
a row. So they've had a bit of a hiatus
since like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, took a couple of
years off and they're back. And now they are back
with some of the og angels again. So we've got
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Alexandra Ambrosio, Adriana Lima, and Jasmine Tuks. Now Jasmine Tuks
she is an og angel, but she actually opened this
year's Victoria's Secret Show and she's heavily pregnant. I think
she must be eight months, like she's nine there you go,
she's nine months, Like she's literally about to pop. She
opened the show and she was smoke soho hot. But
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we had some new additions as well, So we had
Angel Reese. Now I don't know if you guys know
who Angel Reese is, but she is one of the
best players in the WNBA, like the Women's Basketball League.
I actually watched a docco on her not that long ago,
and she's she's brilliant. She's beautiful and brilliant, but she's
an athlete. And we had Iris Law, which is Fod
Law's daughter. So there's a lot of people saying Neppo baby,
(20:03):
but she's also a beautiful model and Sonny Lee. Now,
Victoria's Secrets has reversed its woke branding. So back in
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, we did see and we discussed
it on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Back then, we did see them. I guess I want
to almost.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Say, adhere to societal pressures to have a show that
was more diverse and more inclusive and for want.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Of a better word, more woke.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But the reaction to this show wasn't quite what they
had hoped, and they just saw marketing absolutely plummet, which
is why we saw them take a break for a
couple of years. So now Victoria's Secret is back, and
it has reversed its woke branding and has gone back
to its more traditional sexy image that it had many
many years ago. And there's been a lot of reactions
off the back of it that are going both ways.
(20:48):
And I say this because Keishra and I we even
had different reactions when we were talking about this. Originally
I sent some reels to Keishare on Instagram and I
sent reels like, wow.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Ah, look at this show. Look at these women.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
They are incredible, Like they're beautiful. The fashion, how extravagant
it was. It was back to being over the top
and high end glamour. And Keisha said, I don't even
want to open it. You're like, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
To look at it. And we had vastly differing reactions.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
To be honest, when I saw them, I just didn't
have any emotion.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I didn't care. I didn't feel the need to look
at it. I didn't feel the need to swipe through
the photos. And I think it's probably because, like being honest,
going back to the whole twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, when
it was initially taken off, because there were so many
allegations of sexual harassment, even sexual assault.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
There was so much misogyny. That was when the company was.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Under the leadership of Leslie Wexner and Ed Razik.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
We actually spoke about this on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I feel like it must have been just before the
show actually came back last year, and we talked about
this whole you know, how are they going to come back?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Can they actually rebrand from what they used to be?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
For me, I don't think I can actually get past
the fact that so many people had issues with diet.
Could I had issues with their own body image that
I think directly stemmed from Victoria's Secret And whether that's
you know, me being a little bit bitter towards them, probably,
but just think that, you know, they went from being
this whole fantasy super sexy, and then because the way
(22:15):
that culture was moving and people were saying, we're really
tired of this, was tired of the male gaze, were
tired of this hyper sexualization of women. Alongside the fact
that we found out there was so much harassment happening
behind the scenes, them then pivoting and trying to like
really tone down the sexiness of the brand, and they
went into like athleisure, they went into plain colored pajamas,
(22:37):
and they really pulled it back, and they had kind
of more normies, you know, walking the runway rather than
these supermodels.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I wasn't surprised that a lot of people were like.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
This is virtue signaling and this is woke washing, Like
you're pretending like you care about these things. You're pretending
like you care about diversity. You fucking don't you actually
care about sales, and you think that this is the
way the culture's going.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Prized when that change and the whole pullback of this sexy,
luxurious style of branding actually resulted in a lot less
market sales.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, but I have a few things I want to
say to that.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Firstly, the question of can a brand recover and do
we hold a brand accountable? When there were certain people
in charge, there were so many problematic things happening behind
the scenes when it was under their leadership, and it's
not anymore. It's been revamped this new leadership. Hillary super
became CEO in late twenty twenty four, and it's under
her that they've pivoted back to this unapologetically sexy Victoria's
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secrets runway show, which we will get into. So for
me personally, I can happily look at that brand now
under new leadership. I can attribute a time under a
certain leadership and not necessarily carry those thoughts through for
the brand because I can understand that there were two
problematic men behind the scenes. Then now there's a woman,
so I can happily relook at a brand and say, hey,
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they're taking a new direction. I'm not going to just
hold on to that association of what they were. Secondly,
in terms of woke washing, this is where I start
to get a little bit of a I mean, and
they're gonna be who they disagree with me. But it's
pretty problematic for me when we pile on a brand,
for example, and I'm not just using Victoria's secrets, like
it happens all the time. Society piles on a brand
(24:17):
and says be better, have change, be more inclusive. We
want to see it. We're sick of seeing this shit.
So the brand does it, and then we say, oh,
but you don't mean it. You're not doing it well enough,
like you don't want You're only doing this because we
told you to. What did you want the brand to
do because you've said to them be better and be
more inclusive. So they do it, and then you say
(24:38):
it's not good enough. And that's where my problem comes,
because you can't push and demand change and then it happens,
and then you still fuck them off like it doesn't
work like that. There has to be a level where
you're like, oh, cool, okay, so they're trying. Maybe they
haven't nailed it, but at least they're working in the
same direction. The problem is now because we push back
on that as a society and said bullshit, I.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Don't mean it. You avoided that brand, they're marketing plummeted.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They're sales plummeted. So they're now like, fuck you, we'll
go back to the way we used to be. We tried,
it didn't work. We're gonna go back to this unapologetically
sexy pulling away from wokeism but still being inclusive marketing.
And I think, I mean it's early days, because it's
the show's only just happened. I think they're gonna see
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sales skyrocket.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I think that you know, I probably have to hold
my hand up and say that I would be someone
who's guilty of doing what you just said, Like for me,
I was like, this feels so inauthentic, though, like, stop
pretending to be something, Stop pretending to have the morals
of something that you don't have, just because you think
it's going to convert into sales.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
But I think they're.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Better that they pretend kish it because at least but
then then they're making how does change happen? If change
doesn't happen, so you want the change, you can't then
say don't pretend. Isn't it better that as a society, everyone,
whether they believe it or not, at least it's happening.
And from the outset, we're seeing these campaigns in windows,
we're seeing them on TV. That is ten times better
than for me than saying no, just be honest, show
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us how fucked you are, Like that's not going to
change anything.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I think it's more so because I think that they're
doing it as a way to misguide you or mislead
you so that they can still get your sales.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like for me, it feels misleading.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, we live in a consumerism environment.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yes, and it turns out we actually might be at
a point of consumer fatigue, which is what we wanted
to talk about. Today and whether this is not actually
specific just to Victoria's secret. We're seeing it happen amongst
quite a few different brands. But are we at the
point now where we are so exhausted from this purity
culture and brands sharing their social justice messages or you know,
(26:40):
having values that we may or may not align with
and us needing to figure out which side of politics
they sit on. Are we so exhausted from that that
it's actually quite refreshing to turn back to this more
nostalgic sex cells type of advertising, or are we kind
of pushing the feminism needle back in the opposite direction now?
Like you said, Britt, this show, it wasn't like they
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completely went back to just being the skinny white haven't
eaten in three weeks, potentially has had plastic surgery, supermodels.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
They did still tick quite a lot of the diversity boxes.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Like you said, they had a nine month pregnant Jasmine
Ticks open the show. They also had their first professional
athletes get their wings, so there was like you said,
Angel Reese, but there was also Sunny Lee and now
she is a gymnast. They had a trans model in
Alex Consani, and there were models of all different sizes,
all different skin tones. You know, I think that they
still did a good job of representing different categories of people,
(27:33):
and I'm not going to criticize them for that.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
They also had multiple angels. Funny that we call them angels,
but it was cute. They had multiple angels in their
mid forties. So it wasn't just ages either.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
YEA.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Now, in terms of the actual lingerie, that's really where
we've seen the biggest change. We've got the double push
up bras back, We've got more bling, we've got really
sexy garment, huge wings, elaborate show, and that was very,
very deliberate. Hilary Super who became the CEO last year,
she came out saying that this rebrand is going to
focus on very sexy. It is unapologetically sexy, and it's
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kind of led Brittan I to asking the question, is
woke branding dead or is it just being recalibrated.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I listened to a really interesting reel from a creator
called Karl's J Soda. She actually has a master's on
beauty standards, AI and culture.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We'll link that too because it's a fascinating look.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This whole video actually went for three minutes, so I've
cut it down just to save a little bit of time.
But she actually made a comment in it in her
caption that said, We've spent years watching brands and institutions
embraced diversity, not as something meaningful, but as something performative.
Inclusion became a marketing strategy. Now, interestingly, this video was
actually from August and it was in response to Sydney
Sweeney in the American Eagle campaign. But it's really interesting
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to me that it is so relevant right now.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
The era of the woke rebrand is over. This consumer
exhaustion is a combination of years of surface level branding
that talks down to real people. The work industrial complex
started as a response to the two thousand sixteen Black
Lives Matter movement and broken to mainstream around twenty twenty
during the pandemic. With so much civil unrest and the
unsettling rise of cancel culture, the capital class believed that
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brands needed to embrace social justice issues and pushed progressive
ideology to maintain their market share. And in their defense,
this was backed by consumer research which showed the next
generation would only purchase from brands that aligned with their values.
But the truth of business always remained that people rely
on brands to solve their problems, not to preach about
ideology and serve up everything with a sided guilt. This
era of wokeness encouraged delusions, turning marketing into activism and
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activism into a spectator sport. It rewarded outrage, mop think,
and performative victimhood, and the result was a new arm
of cancel culture. Zalots emerged, hijacking comment threads and canceling
brands for every possible misstep. Everything from the Internet itself
to our purchased choices and who we chose to associate
with was subject to an ideological purity test. The problem
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with that being the horizon kept shifting, which meant you
could not be ideologically pure enough, and the result consumers fatigue.
People are exhausted by it. What workness did culturally is
tell people don't bother, don't try to be fit, to
be beautiful, to be excellent, because it was elitist and exclusionary.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I think she's brilliant. I love the way she articulates it.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I could not have I mean, yeah, I couldn't have
even read it better myself, Like I could have read
her words, she articulates it really really well, and I
think it just goes back, like on a really dumb
down level, goes back to what I said at the start,
where it's like a brand can do something and it's
still not good enough. And that's exactly what she has
said in a smart way. She's saying, like, you've pushed
the brands on this with the woke cancel culture. You've
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said be better, you said, do more, you said, we
don't want to associate with you unless you're you know,
you have these ideologies where you're contributing to our better world.
Then they do it and it's still not enough. We
still want to continue canceling them. And I think that
we have one hundred percent hit consumer fatigue. We talk
about it ourselves in our friendship circles. We're exhausted by it.
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The last couple of years, for a multitude of reasons,
in society has seen like the highest level of this
care culture that we've ever seen, and this constant attacking
of people online, whether you're a brand, whether you're an influencer,
whether you are an everyday person, and it doesn't matter
what level of brand you wear either. It's not just
the victorious secrets of the world. It was like small
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independent brands too. The problem is there is a part
of us that doesn't want to just look at the
same mundane, normal every day. There's a part of us
that wants to look at a bit of a fantasy,
unachievable world as much as we want to look at
the regular every day. And I say that because you
think of shows like the Kardashians. The Kardashians are the
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most famous people in the world, the entire family, every
single one of them. What they deliver every single week
for the last I don't know what it's been sixteen
years or something that their show has been going. There's
a reason that they are so popular and so famous,
and it's because they are so unrelatable and unachievable, and
they live a life that you can only like, you
can't fathom, you cannot imagine what it would be like
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to even have one day in their life. And there
is a part of us as a society that wants
that we want to see how the other half live,
and we want to have these fantasies, and you want
to have something in a way to I guess be
striving for and working for and bettering yourself. But I
do think that we got sick as a society of
just like Kylie said, not having something to strive for
(32:18):
or work for or be inspired by.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
In a way, I understand what you mean by this
whole like aspirational thing, and I think I probably sit
a little bit more halfway with the whole accountability versus
impurity test, you know, Like, I do agree with the
fact that if a brand, especially a small business, was
coming out saying we're trying to you know, focus on
our cub and footprint, We're trying to like be environmental,
the next question would likely be, well, what are you
(32:42):
doing about something else?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
You know, like?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And I do feel as though there was that level
of like, you could never be doing anything good.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Enough, and so people kind of stopped trying.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
They just got to the point where it was so
exhausting to keep on trying to do the right thing.
I think for me, I do want to live a
bit more halfway. If I find out that some big
brand has really big issues with the way it treats
women or the way it you know, uses slave labor,
I want them to be accountable for that, and I
want them to be canceled for that, and I don't
want that to go away, but I do tend to
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agree that I think these things kind of did get
to a bit of a saturation point where I rolled
my eyes, going, oh gosh, this brand is now wrapping
themselves in a rainbow and pretending, you know what I mean,
Like it just felt inauthentic, and it felt as though
they were just kind of trying to slap their brand
on any type of social justice cause for the sake
of it, you know, whether it not be related to
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what they actually did, or whether they actually didn't embody
those values. You know, I really I became exhausted by
it the most when I found out that the values
of the company didn't align with what their marketing was
saying that they were. And that probably goes all the
way back to Victoria's Secret. But I wanted to bring
two examples to you. One of a brand this year
that is being described as go Go broke.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So Jaguar a couple of months ago came out with this.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Ad that felt quite disjointed from any of their previous
mine marketing, so it focused on it focused on social
justice issues that had to do with gender identity, and
electric cars, and like the ad felt very strange in
comparison to what Jaguar had brought out before, and it
caused uproar in their traditional customers. I want you to
(34:17):
think about the type of person who was more than
likely to purchase a.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Luxury car being a Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Now their sales have gone down by ninety seven percent.
It is not just because of the ad, though they
did face a significant pushback because of this ad. However,
they've stopped making those type like older production models of
the cars and they're going to focus more onto like
electric cars. So it's hard to actually get data as
to whether it was a case of go WoT go
(34:44):
broke or whether it was just the.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Fact that they've had this halting production.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And you mentioned American Eagle before in Sydney Sweeney, and
she's an interesting example because she brought in a million
new customers for American Eagle. Her jacket in that campaign
sought out in a day, her gene sold out in
a week. Unequivocally, it was a brilliant marketing campaign. And
now you guys will remember the controversy around that because
a lot of people are saying there were themes of
(35:08):
genetic superiority and this white beauty norm because she is
a stunning blondhaired, blue eyed woman and they use the
puns with jeans and gens. We don't need to rehash
at the whole world was talking about it. I'm not
convinced that their success in marketing was because they used
Sidney Sweeney. I think their success in this product and
this ad was off the fact that it was so controversial,
(35:33):
and we know that controversy sells. We know that with
on every level, from a small business to an online
influencer to a company like this. Once you get people talking,
they say like, any publicity is good publicity, and I
think she was a really good representation of that.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, we're even seeing this pushback, Like I know, Alex
Earl was part of the Carl's Junior Burger's commercials and
they've been traditionally very very sexy, and there were comments
on the new one of that saying things like, oh,
finally we've got a hot girl eating burgers back on
our screens, Like finally we are going back to this
traditional marketing that is just meant to be very good
looking people that we aspire to either be like or
(36:10):
be with.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And we're not saying that that's right too.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Like, No, I don't think that this is happening as
a coincidence.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I think it is very very much happening because Donald
Trump is back in power.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
We're seeing these conservative values touted.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
You know, all of the DEI and the LGBTIQ plus riots.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Being withdrawn from America.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
We've seen a lot of companies over there stop doing
their pride celebrations. We've also seen a push into like
this nationalist style of advertising. I'm not sure if you
guys have seen these types of things on TikTok or Instagram,
but because of the tariffs that Donald Trump imposed, a
lot of American companies are coming out with this national
messaging of we are American, born, bred, made here, spend
(36:49):
with us because we are American, and that is superior.
So I don't think that these things are happening by coincidence.
I think that we are seeing a very deliberate shift
back to and I'm putting this in air Buddies nostalgia
of male gaze, conservative sexy advertising because we are, and
again air Buddies sick of what the last five years
(37:12):
did to us. So I think with all of this considered,
do you think that we have reached a point of
consumer exhaustion of social justice messaging and advocacy kind of
being or some people would say, push down our throats.
Do you think that woke branding is dead or do
you think that we are just kind of having a
shift in the way that it's being done.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I think woke branding is shifting, for sure. I think
there's an amalgamation now from being extreme and woke to
people saying, hey, you know what we see through it,
You're virtue signaling and we know why you're doing it.
And I think after four to five years of seeing
woke branding in cancel culture to the extreme, we are
going to see I really meet in the middle kind
(37:54):
of marketing and branding where people are still going to
be inclusive like Victoria's Secrets was here, but they're not
going to pretend anymore because people can see straight through it.
And I think we went as a society, we went
too hard for too long, because I know so many
people in my life that have had enough. Every time
they see something or hear something, they'll send it, they'll
talk about it in our friendships groups and be like
(38:15):
fucking they're like, I've had enough of this stuff, Like,
let's just go back to being able to be literate
in what we consume and what we believe and make
your own independent choices instead of having things thrown down
our mouths and in our faces consistently online, which is
what we have seen for the last five years.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
How do you feel, I think most people, myself probably included,
we will feel a little bit refreshed, and we will
feel like a little bit relieved that this is not
the only type of marketing that is coming towards us.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It makes me slightly concerned that this.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Is because there are conservative powers that are kind of
ruling the world right now, because I think that we
could push the needle too far back into the other direction,
where we get back into these problematic areas of like
only having a certain type of hot, only having a
certain type of person that we aspire to be like,
and if.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You can't see it, you can't be it. So I
do kind of sit.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Halfway in between where I feel as though we need
a little bit of a recalibration because it did become exhausting,
but I don't want it to disappear entirely.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think Victoria's Secrets have nailed it. If the pendulum
swings too far left, it always comes back right, and
the same thing, if it goes too far right, it
comes back left. I think they've almost stopped in the middle.
And the reason I say that is they have managed
to produce this fantasy, aspirational, inspirational, very sexy show that
has also been so inclusive. It has had models in
(39:36):
their mid forties, it has had pregnant models, people of color,
it has trans models, it has athletes. It's tick the
boxes without trying. At the end of the day, we
do want representation and inclusion, and I think we have
nailed that with The Victoria's Secret Show.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Because it shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Matter if a brand really means the messaging that they're
saying or they're just presenting the messaging, because at the
end of the day, we want to see it on
our screens. So if they're doing the job and the
everyday person who's looking up and seeing themselves represented, does
it really matter if they truly believe it.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
For me, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It's more important to see these people in our screens.
And I think Victoria's Secrets have done a really good
job of meeting in the middle, it's time for accidentally unfiltered.
So last year I went as ray Gun to my
friend's Halloween party. Beforehand, I was at my new friendship
group's house for pre drinks. I met my other friends
and family there and another friend's boyfriend for the very
(40:32):
first time. So she's gone to this new place. She's
obviously like trying to impress people.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Being ray Gun. They wanted me to dance.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I did the typical Raygun moves and then did the worm.
When I finished one of my worms, I went onto
my knees and a huge flat came out. It was
dead silent, and everyone just looked at me. To make
it worse, my friend filmed the whole dance and the
flat was included. I'm still best friends with them, so
lucky my moves must have worded them. He's so funny.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
But it makes me think when I was on Dancing
with the Stars, and I think I told you guys once,
I was doing a practice and it was silent and
just I just fart it quefed in Craig's face.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
My dance was like properly in his face as well.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh yeah, his head was down there and I quef.
I think what's worse it was the reverse worm.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
That it must be the worm, it must like do
something to you, like the air, but you're like sucking.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I think that in this situation, the thing that's worse
for them is the fact that it was filmed, because
you could kind of try and get away with it
and be like, no, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
It wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
There's actually like video evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
You're like, it was my knee on the ground, it
wasn't your farted. All right, let's do second, sweet keish
you want to start?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Do you know what I actually I know that this
is like a kind of against the rules. I'm so
hesitant to have a suck this week, and it's because
I have had such such a really good week. I
think the only suck I could say is that it's
felt very busy. We've had a lot going on, but
it's all been really good stuff. And so I want
to be very careful like complaining about that and saying
that you know that was my stuck, because it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Kind of wasn't. And my suite this.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Week is that I'm having kind of like a recalibration
of what feels really really important to me. And I've
had a lot of these moments throughout the week where
I've just been like, fuck, this is what life's about, Like,
this is it.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
This is the longest I've ever heard for you to
say you don't have a suck.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
This is a lot about Oh that's just my sweet
has been that. Like, I genuinely have had quite a
few of these moments in the past probably two weeks,
where I have I've been able to zoom out and
kind of acknowledge that this was a life that I
dreamt of, you know, I know that. And there are
some things that we got to interview Teddy Swims. That's
been a big thing for us for quite a long time.
(42:38):
Like there's been some really good professional things and things
that have seemed to be out of reach at one
stage where I've realized that now we're actually living it.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
But it's also been.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Really I guess you could say, basic things that I
am having the evaluation of the fact that that is
like where I get a lot of purpose out of life.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I had this moment a week.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Ago I posted about this where I was swim with Bonnie,
my new puppy, and Delilah and two of my really
really good friends on a Saturday morning, and I just
had this moment where I was like, this is a
life I dreamt of five years ago.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
If you had have said to me, what type of
life do you want to live? This is it?
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Like I've actually got these things in my life right
now that I spent so long wishing I had, and
I think that I can. I think everyone can be
guilty of this, but for some reason, I think that
I can be particularly guilty of it. I really don't
stop and smell the roses. I don't stop and acknowledge that,
you know, these things that I have right now are
what I always wanted. And so I'm trying to be
a lot more present in that and trying to acknowledge it.
(43:40):
And interestingly, they're not coming from the things that I
thought they would. They're not coming from the massive career
goals or getting to do something luxurious or really really cool.
They're coming from the smaller moments where I'm realizing that
all I actually ever wanted on a Saturday morning was
to go swimming with my dog.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
And that's been really hard for me. And I know
that this might be a little bit of.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
A like deep and meaningful, but it genuinely has been
kind of consuming me this week, and I've really been
thinking about how I can focus more of my attention
and my energy on those small moments and having like
a lot of gratitude for them.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Oh that must be nice.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
No, No, I was going to say, like we Kish
and I had this conversation in real life yesterday as well,
because I said to her, like I had the same
week where I thought, in my personal life, amy where
I want to be. No, of course, I'm so happy
I married the love of my life, but it's the
life I envisioned for myself. Wasn't seeing my husband every
three months and living day to day on my own?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
That wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
But I had the same thing yesterday where I said, fuck,
I am living a dream life for what I always
wanted for my career.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
And my suck this week, it's a good suck.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I just had the most awkward moment with when we
interviewed Teddy Swims right, so he was also a sweet
But when we interviewed Teddy and I, we walked out
to the lobby to meet them, and he came with
his entourage, so it was Teddy and he I had
all his PR team, marketing team and videographer and his
best friend and he travels with and there was like
an entourage, and at the forefront was his security guard.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
He was this very big, scary, intimidating man, like he
was hot. It was very good looking.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
He was hot, and he was actually also at his
backstage after party the other night, which lucky enough to
go to, Like, sorry, I have.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
To drop that.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
I was such a groupie. I was like, fuck, yes,
I'm going backstage anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I was like, do you know what, I'm going to
walk straight up to the security guard and introduce myself first,
you know, to put him at ease, and like didn't
even go to Teddy first because the security guard was first, right,
so I wasn't going to like push past him to
get to Teddy.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
I was like, I'm going to break the ice. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I went straight out to him with this big smile
on my face and put my hand out and I
was like Hi. I was like, I'm Brittany, nice to
meet you, put my hand out. I have never been
looked at the way that this security guard.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Looked at me. His hands did not move his.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Side he fucking touched me.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
He looked at me like I was pulling a gun
on him with my hand out, as if like, you
know how, you're not supposed to touch service dogs, you
know how, Like the rule is like drug dogs at
the airport, service dogs, you're not supposed to touch them
or distract them.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
That is, we're also not supposed to touch security.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, So my hand was out and it was the longest,
It felt like two minutes, and then we were just
staring at each other, and I was committed. I was like,
I don't want to make this any more awkward. But
I just held my hand out and we made eye
contact and I was like, who's gonna blink first? And
he looks me up and down, so angry, he says,
was so angry. He looked me up and down for
a couple of seconds and obviously deemed me not a threat,
(46:35):
put his hand out really quickly and gave it a shake.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Did he give you a shake?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I hugged most people in hugged.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
No.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
I got to the security guard last, so I had
kind of hugged everyone, And to be honest, I didn't
really didn't tell me a security guard I went to
I went sorry. I'd had five hugs before that. The
first one was out friend Thomas, who works for Warner Music.
He was security Teddy. I went to shake Teddy's hand,
and Teddy kind of indicated he was a hugger, which
I loved because I'm also a hugger.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, but this guy looks like the rock or how
were you confused?
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I was just it was all happening in the moment.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
The pressure was high, and I know I have turned
him to be like hello, And the way this man
looked at me, I was like, you're not a hugger,
You're dead.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
And then yeah, then I just turned around and walked
Maybe that can be.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
When we got to when we got to the after
party and I was leaving, I saw him in the
corner and I waved and even smiled again.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
He just gave me nothing, and I was like, Okay,
it just does.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
My sweet was also work related this week, so I
got to interview Teddy, which you guys know is a
huge thing for me because he was like my wedding song,
et cetera, et cetera, a huge fan. But this week
I got to interview five absolute Hollywood heavyweights.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Arguably the most famous person in the world. Yeah, if
not one of top.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Five, I would have to say, yeah, you'd have to say,
but these were five, yeah, five Hollywood superstars, absolutely iconic people,
and I cannot wait to tell you about it. It
was not for the podcast, it was for something else,
but we are going to use whatever I can get
on the podcast, But it was it was a moment
where I sat there after it I just got goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
I was like, how have I I shouldn't say how
have I gotten here?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I've done eight hundred podcast episodes and literally hundreds.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Of interviews, so I know how I got here. I
worked hard for it.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
But there was a moment where I thought this little
girl from Port mccruorie, who was just a body border
that Like, I was like, I just interviewed these people
and this is amazing, and I felt I was really
proud of myself for getting where I had gotten and
the fact that I got to do it, and it
was just like it was cool. It was just a
really cool moment and I just can't wait to share
that with you guys.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, I'm excited as well. I want the audio so
that we can put it on the book.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Get let's get out of here. Please keep sending your acciently.
I'm filter it's in and your ask on cuts everything.
Any funny story that you think we're gonna want to know,
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We would really appreciate that. And know the trip.
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