Some Big Changes Are Coming Next Year! And Unpacking "I Slept With 100 Men In One Day".

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It's Laura and Keeshia today for the last Tuesday episode of the year (or maybe ever...)!
Britt is over in Romania visiting Ben but she'll be back on Thursday for Ask Uncut.

Christmas is really freaking soon and Laura is banking on the local RSL meat raffle to make up for her disorganised state! Laura and the family had a blast at the carols and met her new girl crush Emma Memma.
If you’re an iPhone person, do you stick to even or odd numbered iPhones or are you just updating it whenever you feel you need? 

We have some big changes coming to next year! We speak through the results of our last survey and how we are mixing things up next year! 

There's a documentary that is going viral on youtube at the moment titled "I Slept With 100 Men In One Day". It follows Onlyfans star Lily Phillips and the aftermath of Lily's challenge where she is quite distraught after completing the challenge. 
We speak about the complexity of these types of conversations when so much has been done to shift the narrative of sex work and highlight how platforms like onlyfans can be empowering, when the reality of this situation blurs those lines.
We ask:

• Why is it that this documentary made us feel uncomfortable?
• Whether the stunts continue to become more and more outrageous to keep attention and subscribers?
• If the concern for her wellbeing is faux care/ shame dressed up in a different costume?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
welcome back to another episode of Life. I'm Cut, I'm Laura.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Keisha filling in for brit today because she's
off visiting her lover, her fiance Ben in Romania.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I mean, we do have another episode this week before
we are actually technically on holidays, but Bridge just like
she took an extra day, which I feel like you
deserve if you're doing a long distance relationships.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
She was like, I'm traveling and You're like, you're not traveling.
By then she's like, yeah, I am, I'm on a plane.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
She's like, wo, when you're eating cinnamon scrolls, I can
see it on Instagram. I know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
She looks like she's having a magical like winter Christmas,
which is very cool. But she will be back here
to do ask on cut on Thursday, and then we
also have our year in review coming out on Christmas Eve,
and because we are suckers for punishment, we will also
have a brand new episode per week before we come
back from the summer break. Do we Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
What are they? Which ones? You're recording?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
One with Matt? She's how you find out I did
speak with Matt about it. Last week you will be
a recording an ask Gun cut with Matti, is recording
an episode with Sherry, and also maybe an ask Gun
cut with Ben, So that will all be coming brand
new tiar ears over the summer break.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
This might be a really good time to ask you
what exactly am I recording with Matt or for everybody
listening now, if you have any questions that you want
me to ask my husband, you know, like seven year itch,
is that a thing? Whatever it looks like, send them
to us in the DMS, and I will ask him
and we will answer them on this recording that is
apparently going to happen in the future. Also, I mean,
I know that everybody knows this and it shouldn't come

(01:42):
as a surprise because I think that there's been a
lot of gearing up to it thus far. But Christmas
is next Wednesday, everyone, next Wednesday. I just checked it
again in my calendar to make sure that I wasn't lying.
It is literally eight days away. If you're listening to
this on Tuesday. Did that just blow me?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Just blow your balls off?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'n't even got my boyfriend's present yet, haven't.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yet forgot my kids presence, yet Santa has been lazy
this year.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Every year, I feel as though you get to this
point of the year and we all say, like, look, honestly,
I'm crawling to the finish line. Like I really feel
as though I'm army commandoing right now to the finish line.
But knowing that it's only eight days away causes me
more stress than I anticipated, because that means that I've
got a lot to do in that period of time
and I'm not even the one hosting Christmas. You're hosting Christmas,

(02:28):
surely it feels worse.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm so sorry to anyone who also hadn't checked
their calendar and had kind of just not really put
a timeline on how close the proximity of Christmas was.
But I was sitting at the airport today. I literally
flew in this morning for this record from the Gold Coast,
and I was just looking at my calendar trying to
figure out when was the next meat raffle at the
local RSL club so that I could win myself. I

(02:52):
am That's what I was doing at six am at
the airport this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I love how much trust you put in the fact
that you're going to have like good luck syndrome and
lucky girl syndrome. Sorry that you're actually going to be
the one who wins the ham?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Is that what happens? Lucky girls?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
A raffle ticket doesn't guarante I know, but have to
order one, Laura, I know.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But last year we won our pork and our ham
from the meat raffle at the local RSL, so I
had my heart set on it because it came in
very handy. We host and we have to feed a
lot of Kimmi very hammy. I thought, this year, that's it.
We're going to go every time that there is a
meat raffle until we've won our hams. But I realized
I left it too late and there's no more meat raffles.

(03:32):
So I have to go and buy the ham this year.
And that's real. Anyway, I've got that.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I'm pretty sure that you should have already ordered it
because you might get lucky. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
How were the carols last night? They looked lit the carols?
It was so good. Nobody does the carols like the
surface Paradise Paige. To say that I am paid Nana
is good. It's the truth. I went to the Bondai Ones.
I went to the Paddington Ones. We are like Carol.
I can't say Carol sluts because my kids are involved.
Do get around when it comes to the Carols. And

(04:02):
the Surface Paradise ones are so good. They even ended
with the eight o'clock fireworks. The kids it was like
they'd gone to Utopia. So when you're at the Carrols,
they obviously have like the back of house area where
everyone has their kind of like tents to get ready in,
and they had.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Green rooms the Carrols.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
They had like little green rooms for the Carols. And
the girls were in their little green rooms and a
little tent next to us was Emma Memma, and they
just sat there so completely enthralled. And Emma Watkins is
she I don't think like she's not like a normal human.
She's literally like Sunshine personified. The way she speaks, the

(04:39):
way she is, it's not just a stage thing like
it is actually her. She is the most lovely person.
It's like she floats. She doesn't even walk, she just
floats down the road.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
You got a girl crash on Mmmo.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think I'm in love with Emma Memmo.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I was gonna say we should have her on the podcast,
but maybe that will get a bit strange. What I
also love about that is that they do eight o'clock fireworks.
Idding with one of my friends yesterday, and I've realized
that for New Years this year, I don't really care
about the whole midnight thing. We got to spend New
Years together last year, actually, you and I did at
your house.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
You left early. What time were you there too?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
You were there to twin now we came back, yeah,
and we watched the fireworks altogether. I'm so glad it
was such a memorable experience. But I've actually realized that
this year, I think I'm just going to do the
nine o'clock ones.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I mean, it doesn't say much for us, does it.
If you've gotten to the stage of life where you're like,
I reckon, I'll reach the nine o'clock ones, and then
I think I'll just go to bed.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I couldn't bring the new year in a better way
than getting nine hours of solid rem sleep in true
Keisha style.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And you always want to kick off a new year, right,
you know. The thing is, though, like when you're in
your twenties or when you're younger, maybe also sometimes I
think for some people who are single as well, that
there's this like real feeling of like I don't want
to miss out on something, so you want to plan
a big New Year's. But I do feel like every
single time I have planned a New Year's it has
been a disappoint It's never met up to the expectation

(06:02):
or the hope that I had for the night and
what the night could be. And then you're always left
so late. It's like three o'clock in the morning, you
can't get a fucking taxi, you can't get home. You're
walking four kilometers through the city to just to try
and get to your house.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You've kissed this random dude, you didn't even lie, and
you're like, you're not even slightly attractive to me. But
it's midnight. I don't just want to be standing here
while everyone else is in the couple's kissing.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
But good if you're a random dude, though, get out there,
get amongst it. You might get lucky. Well, look, coming
home this morning, I so I left the Carols. I
woke up at four point thirty this morning in the
Gold Coast. I got on the very first flight out
of the Gold Coast and into Sydney, and I fell
asleep on the plane, and I, in true Lawa fashion,
I fell asleep with my mouth wide open like this.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I have seen you cash flies on planes before.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
In the first row with my head against the window,
and there was a spare seat in between us, and
then the as le seat. There was a man sitting
there and he was, you know, he was just said,
mining his own business, doing his own thing. And a
couple of times I like, you know, when you're so tired,
and then you might hit a bit of turbulence or
something's moved and your head just goes bong and you.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Do the full head help yourself to being awake.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
It's almost like you get like momentary whiplash because you
bang your head forward and back. So I did that
a couple of times, and I looked around, really startled,
and I looked and he would then look at me,
and I'd go back to sleep. And we come into
land in Sydney and everyone's getting their stuff and whatnot,
and he turns around, he looks at me and he goes,
excuse me, do you have a podcast?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I thought he was gonna say, excuse me, were you
on stage with Eminimma? Last night.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
He was like, do you have a podcast. I was like, yeah,
it's called Life on Cut. He's like, yeah, I mean
you're I mean your discussion group. My wife listens to
your podcast every day. I was like, oh, please tell
her that I slept with my mouth open to this
entire flight. I'm so sorry. Also with my shoes off
on my foot on the seat. What a fucking grub.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Okay, So you know how you just said the emine Memma,
She's like, sunshine, she fly, You're sleepy, tired, chaos consistently,
It's not just a performance for the podcast, it is
actually who you are. So at least it was on
brand true.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
So Mmma floats and I'm dragging myself across the ground.
Told me I wasn't allowed to say it last week,
but I'm gonna say it anyway. You know the scene,
you know the scene people.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Say to us that we sometimes are too careful of
what we think.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Are going to get as canceled with this one. Actually
want you know the scene from Forest Gump where the
guy has had his legs blown off and he's dragging
himself through the forest. That's how I feel at the moment,
And is that going to get me canceled.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Maybe you're on your own here. This is an active
decision that you have made. You've chosen to put this
in here, You're on your own.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I wish you the best of las.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Anyway, something going on in my life is that I
have finally, after over two years, decided to get myself
a brand new phone. I having problems. If you ask Apple,
I was not having any problems because they traded it
in and there was nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
The battery was fine. Apple knows the battery wasn't fine.
They do it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
They did get into trouble at one point for doing that.
But I had an iPhone twelve. Okay, so we're now
up to the iPhone sixteen, and I've realized that there
was this really strange thing in my mind and it
was the first time I've ever noticed that I kind
of partook in a bit of like allegiance with a
certain strange thing. And I've realized that I am dedicated

(09:31):
and I am loyal to the even numbered iPhones.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
What do you mean, oh, iPhone sixteen? Is there? What
number we aret?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Now?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
We're at sixteen now, so I've now got a sixteen,
But I've realized that over the course of however long
I've had an iPhone, which would have to be god,
I don't know, maybe fourteen years or like to at
least twelve years now, I've only ever had even numbered iPhones.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Mine's an iPhone fourteen pro Okay, are you also the
type of person who hasn't alleged because I've seen this
with certain things where a lot of people, when they
have their TV volume, they will have to have it
on either an even or an odd number, and whatever
they are like.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Loyal to, they stick to that. A lot of people
have it for even numbers. And I'm not usually that
type of person who gets hung up on little details
like that, but I simply refused to switch to an
odd numbered iPhone.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I don't think it's that. I think it's the fact that,
like an iPhone has about a two year bandwidth, right,
or like eighteen months or whatever, and so by the
time you're ready to get one, you're just back on
an even number. Right, there's a new one that comes out,
because there's a new one that comes out almost every year.
I don't know enough about iPhones, but I've had this
one for way too long now. And it's also dying.
And if we're gonna complain about iPhones, the real thing

(10:40):
we should be complaining about is a new photo update
that everyone hates.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Who did that? Who did that? Everyone in the world hates.
I have not seen one single post about people going, oh,
I actually really like that. It's now scattered as anything,
and I can't work out how the folders work. What
do you guys doing, I've remained loyal to you. I
realized that I I skipped the fourteen, but then the
idea of going to a fifteen to me just felt

(11:05):
I felt really uncomfortable. I felt dirty, I felt like
I was switching to a different team, and I just
didn't do it. I just held out with iPhone twelve
for so long that I have to charge it three
times a day, and the camera didn't work. I couldn't
zoom because one of the cameras I dropped it in
a crack.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Which is a real hurdle for someone who works in
like an audio medium where you actually need your phone
and actually need a camera. But case she really persevered
for so long. I did, but it was because of
this weird loyalty thing.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'm realizing that maybe this is a bit strange, and
I thought that maybe this would be relatable to people,
but perhaps I am on my own.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think it is particularly niche.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Also, sorry to all the Samsung and Google phone.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think it's particularly niche. However, I'm sure there's somebody
else out there who's going to reflect and be like,
oh yeah, I only also stuck to an even number.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
You know where we had this conversation. We had this
conversation earlier in the year when we spoke about big
laptop purchases and I said that I would never make
a purchase of three hundred dollars on a phone that's
a laptop, pero, and you told me I was crazy,
and the internet was on my side.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I also told you that that was a particularly niche
conversation and it ended up making international news. So like,
I'm cool to be wrong. I'm fine with that. But
the one thing we're not wrong about is the fucking
photo app because everyone is raging about it at the moment,
and I just wonder who the person was that worked
on the back end of that, that worked on like
the IT infrastructure, And when this looks good, yep, they're

(12:25):
gonna not be able to find anything they want at
any point in time, but I reckon that they'll enjoy
spending more time in the photo app.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think it's reminiscent of someone who's had a to
do list for like the last six months, right, and
they've had to have it done by Christmas.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like it's been on their with And they finally were.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Like, it cut across that hall and they went, I
fully forgot. I completely forgot about that entire thing that
I was supposed to do, So I'm just I'm just
gonna do this is what we're doing. And they just
basically said, just remove any of the formatting that were previously.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Used, but also remove any of the formatting that actually
makes intuitive sense.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, do chreckon. That person got fired. I feel like
if there's any redundancy that should have happened, it's probably
the person who did the photo update. But talking of restructuring,
also off the back of that, speaking about how no
one likes the restructure, we have some big changes coming
in twenty twenty five to Life Uncut, and I know

(13:15):
that it's one of those situations where people don't necessarily
like change when it very first happens, which is why
we wanted to give you guys as much warning about
this as possible, and also to kind of explain the
reasons why we're making these adjustments to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
You guys will probably remember a couple of months ago,
we did a quite a big survey around what it
is that you're enjoying about the pod, what it is
that you're not enjoying as much, all the changes that
you would like to make.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
To be honest, I was really flatted and I was
so touched by the amount of people that went out
of their way. It only took a couple of minutes
to fill out the survey, but we just asked you
to do it like you didn't get anything out of
it other than having your say, And we got over
four thy five hundred responses, which was such a huge
data set that enabled us to really know what was
going on. You know, what you guys were liking the most.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
The structural changes that we're making, and at the moment,
like you guys don't necessarily know this, but we work
every Sunday in order to be able to bring you
the Tuesday episode, so we record it on Monday morning,
but in order to have everything prepped and ready to go,
we have to do that on a Sunday. So the
changes that we're also making aren't just because they're structural
changes that will work for you, but they are also
changes that will allow us to have longevity and to

(14:21):
be able to keep creating the podcast, because I know,
like at the moment, it's really hard for everyone to
show up every single Sunday Sunday afternoon from three o'clock.
We're all back on our laptops and working into the evening,
and we want to be able to have not just
an amazing product, but also have the life balance that
goes along with that, especially now, because we have the
ability to create that structure and we're making these changes anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
And in order to do that, we knew that we
would have to change the days that we were dropping
content because we want things to be as up to
date as they possibly can be. So next year, we
are going to still have the three episodes that we
currently drop, but they're going to drop on different days.
So we are going to drop an episode on a Monday,
on a Wednesday, and on a Friday morning. And we've

(15:04):
decided to switch up the order of the episodes. Because
it came in very loud and clear that ask gun
Cut was your favorite episode pretty unanimously. I think it
was over seventy percent of people that was their favorite episode.
So we're gonna give that to you first thing Monday morning,
so you can go into your whatever your Monday looks like.
If you get a bit of Monday itis, hopefully it
will be alleviated a little bit by having something that

(15:25):
you like listening to. We are going to drop what
is currently on a Tuesday on a Wednesday, so that's
the personal life catchart where Britain lur will talk about
what's going on in their life. We often talk about
something that's going on in the news, things that we
find funny.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Like it's basically this episode will be happening on a
Wednesday now, so we're just shifting it one day.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
And then the interview based episode, where we talk to
someone who might be an expert in the field or
a topic that we've really wanted to unpack, or someone
who has a really interesting and incredible story, someone that
you just love and think is really funny. Those interviews
are going to drop on a Friday, so you can
go into your weekend having a bit more of a
like deep and meaningful conversation to listen to.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
The feedback that we were having was dropping on a Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday just meant that so much content was coming out
and a lot of you didn't have time to actually
listen to all of it. So these changes have been
really considered, and we've spent a lot of time sort
of fleshing out what is the best thing for the
way in which we structure life on Cut and for ourselves,
and we're so excited for what twenty twenty five is
going to bring.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
So these changes will be starting, So your first Monday
Ask Gun Cut will be starting on the twentieth of January.
That's when we're coming back from our Christmas break. But
as I said at the start of this, you'll actually
have some brand new content to listen to over the
summer as well. Speaking of kind of schedule changes, can
I do accidentally unfiltered? Now? Can we just jump into it?
Because I saw this TikTok. It's an American woman who

(16:45):
I don't want to assume age, but I would say
that she would be roughly sixty five, and the caption
on TikTok says, my grammy finally decided to download a
dating app, and this is how it's going. And she's
sitting there showing her granddaughter how her dating app is going,
and this is what she said.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Hello, Gary, nice to meet you. I love the picture
of you on the swing. Looks like fun and I
love to swing too. So I said that yesterday and
then today I mean read it and I go, oh
my gosh. So this is what I said back to
I said, Hi, Gary, I just I just saw that

(17:25):
I I labeled myself as a swinger. So sorry, I
am not a swinger the topolice opposite. To be honest
with you, I apologize for my bad choice of words,
and I hope this this goes Oh it should have been.

(17:46):
Does does not deter you from reaching out to me?
Have a wonderful e.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I don't know what's weird, whether the fact that she
was like, I'm sorry, I labeled myself a swinger, or
she reply by saying I like to swing too. What
seventy year old lady wants to sit on a swing
and swing?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
She just said, I like the photo of your swing,
you know, I like to swing to you look adventurous,
I don't know, and just picturing those ones in Bali,
you know how they've got those massive, big swings that
you can go on.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's not so much about the picture, it's about the reply.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Do you know what is something that's so embarrassing that
I didn't understand? And this is be going back. It'd
have to be like between six and eight years ago.
I reckon, you don't want to hinge how you can
select your political like who you vote for, whether you're
conservative or your liberal. So before I knew what the

(18:39):
actual word liberal meant, which is progressive, which is what
every other country in the world calls their progressive party.
Here in Australia, our more conservative party is called the
Liberal Party, and so I used to think that it
meant that they voted for the Liberal.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Imagine how many people you would have rite swiped because
you were like, our political views don't alarm.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Myself as a left leaning queen, and I just would
have been like, no, oh gosh, we're never going to
get along, because I also used to think that I
wanted someone who had the same political views as me,
and I used to just left left left. Turns out
it could have been my dreamman.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
No.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
But the thing is is, I think for a lot
of people in Australia who maybe don't know the difference
of that either. Maybe they are actually liberal and you
gotta run the risk this is true. They're Australian, like
we're using Australian terminology. I know that obviously it means
different things in different places, but you would assume that
most the people who were putting that in if they're
Australian maybe are actually liberal. Doesn't say much because there

(19:36):
was no Labor Party on there. But now it's a risk.
The only thing I misinterpreted, like from memory when I
was on dating apps is I went through this period
and hear me out where I received a request from
several different profiles and this is over the duration of
about six months, so it wasn't just one time. So
I was receiving the request from guys asking me to

(19:58):
peg them, which I don't know what was in my
profile that would have given them the indication that I
liked pegging. The problem is is I didn't know what
pegging was. I had no idea. This is going back
like fifteen years ago, mind you, Like when I was
on the dating apps.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Was there like a photo waundry basket and a bunch
of pegs.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Do you know what pegging is?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, I know what pegging is, but I'm putting you
to this woman who was saying I like to swing too.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
No, there was nothing on there that would have implied
I just maybe it was a thing at the time,
maybe it was a trend. I don't know, but I
can count on well, I reckon. I got about five
requests for people asking me to peg them on dating
apps in a very short period of time, So after the.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Second one, you didn't think to do a read of
the room and ask the people around you.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Hey, I keep on getting this weird request wasn't because
of my dating app, though I don't think it was
actually because of my profile. The reason why I'm saying
it was in a situation where I didn't really know
what it was it was being asked of me is
because so the first few times they weren't even people
they would have like pegged I replied to or interacted with.

(21:02):
But then this one guy who I had been chatting
with for a little while was like, hey, would you
peg me? And I was like, I don't know what
that means, but was being really agreeable at the time
and was like sure. Then went to my girlfriend, Hey,
this is where I might have just been asked to
peg this guy? What does this mean? And she was like,
and then she explained it to me, and I was like,
I probably should unpack why I'm giving off pegging vibes.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
It is strange to me that so many if you
didn't have a photo.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Of a strap on.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Or a bunch of pegs on your profile, it is
strange to me that you could somehow give off the
vibe that you would be enthusiastic about pegging, like, I
don't know what that looks like, short of having photos
that kind of implied that you were into it.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I got asked a lot of times, and then I
started to think that maybe it was normal. Have you
ever been asked don't you? No? Nah? Just me, lucky me,
just you.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Did I not look as though I was athletic enough?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I think gets the broad shoulders on me. They really
gave up peg vives.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So I think I am constantly underestimated when playing sport
because I'm he just like I could peg you, dough.
Why wasn't I asked to peg? Did you not think
I had the hip mobility? Did you not think I
had the stamina? Because they do. This happens a lot
every single Tuesday afternoon. I am underestimated by the very
fit twenty three year old boys who we play against.

(22:25):
I have got two tries in the past few weeks
because they genuinely could see it in their eyes that
they looked at me and they went they got a
bit lazy, she's not able to she's fine, and you
don't need to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I can peg them like a queen. Fuck you.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I could have pegged you, well, I might checking the
accidentally and filtered that we were saying that I thought
was really funny because this is so something that would
happen to me. I was walking my dog with my
partner one morning, not long after accounts will pick up
you know the street ones where you can put all
of your stuff out on the street and they come
and collect it. There was a heap of games on
the side of the path, including Monopoly, which we didn't have.

(23:00):
I was stoked. I picked it up. I opened the
box and I checked that it had all of these pieces.
When a guy came running out of an apartment and shouted,
what are you doing. It turns out that they were
moving in and there was a moving truck parked right
outside fair Nah.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think that this is an easy mistake to make.
I genuinely do. And I also think like, if you're moving,
you don't just leave the games. You've got to like
that's kit that shit contained.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I feel as I've seen people put signs on their
things being like, we are moving, this is not free.
Please don't because people like me I love street furniture.
There is nothing that gets my dopamine higher than finding
a piece of furniture on the side of the road
that I'm like, I can fix that.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
There are two types of people right There are the
people who would just pass it by because they're just like,
not not for me. And then there are the people
that would make their partner stand there while they go
get the car yeah, or they will stand there while
someone goes and gets a vehicle appropriate to pick it up.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
There was this one time I was walking down to
the beach for a swim. This when I lived in
Bondai and there was such a good desk and I
said to my friend Daily, I was like, oh, look,
how good that desk is. I need a desk. I'm
in the market for a desk. I was about to
buy one that'll be perfect, and she said, we'll just
go for a quick swim and then i'll help you
on the way back up. I'll help you carry it
back to your house.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
You're like, nah, it'll be gone. It was, of course,
I lost.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
My chance at my free dream desk and I had.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
To pay for I still think about a chair that
once upon a time was in Bondai that I wanted
my boyfriend at the time to go and get a
car to bring it home. It was like a velvet
green chair and he was like, absolutely fucking not. He's like,
you can go get the car. So I like ran home,
got the car, came back gone because I was at
the time taking home a lot of street furniture and
he was like, no more.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Maybe they were actually just moving into the apartment.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Nah, it was just one loan chair out there ready
for Laura burn where real scabs.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Aren't we yep, But that's all right, take the girl
out of war and gone.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Something that we've been talking about in our group chat recently,
and it may or not be something that you have
seen and are also familiar with. There is a woman.
Her name is Lily Phillips. She's twenty three years old,
and she is an Only Fans creator and the reason
why she has become quite famous is because she has
set the enormous goal of sleeping with one thousand men
in twenty four hours. Now. This seems to be something

(25:16):
that is becoming more and more common. You guys might
remember Bonnie Blue. She was the very infamous Only Fans
creator who really made her mark by saying that she
was going to sleep with the schoolies boys.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
She had her visa revote and.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
There was so much absolute rage about that situation. But
it does seem as though that there is this increasing
sort of push for content that revolves around setting records
for the amount of men that you can sleep with
in a short period of time. We've spoken about only
Fans quite a few times on this podcast before, and
also we've interviewed Angela White, who is a prolific porn star,

(25:50):
and she even said that she makes the majority of
her income via Only Fans Now and it has been
an incredibly empowering platform for her where she has agency,
where she owns her own content, produces her own content,
and is able to make an income, you know, without
the same amount of effort that she has to for
her normal productions. But I guess this conversation around Lily
really comes back to a video, a documentary that's been

(26:13):
released that shows both sides of this record that she
is trying to set, and it really asked the question
whether or not only fans, the people who are on there,
are being forced to create content that is more and
more sensational in order to get the downloads and in
order to continue to make this revenue.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
So Josh Peters is the YouTube guy who actually created
this documentary. It was released a week ago and it
has nearly four million views. It was titled I Slept
With one Hundred Men in a Day and the documentary
is Josh speaking with Lily for the majority of it
and talking about, you know, how she got into OnlyFans.
So for a bit of context, she started only fans

(26:51):
when she was at UNI. She now has nine employees,
which is a pretty substantial team. Josh calls her a
businesswoman in the documentary. Parents have always known what she
has been up to and have always been across the
fact that she's creating this content and not the nitty
gritty details. But they are aware and they are still
very much in her life. She speaks with her mum

(27:11):
every day. The reason I wanted to bring that up
is because I think this documentary for me was really
interesting to examine the stereotypes that exist in terms of
the reasons why people get into sex work and compare
that with my own biases about what I think about
sex work and how the world views he as a
very shameful career. So the documentary starts with some conversations

(27:34):
between Josh and Lilly talking about her goal of sleeping
with one hundred men in the one day, and so
this is in training for this world record attempt that
she will be making shortly where she wants to sleep
with one thousand men in a day. They were talking
about her motivations, about her fantasies, about her early only
fans career, and how that has led her to the
point that she wants to kind of set herself these

(27:56):
challenges and film them for her only fans. And this
is what she had to say say ahead of the challenge.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, I guess the only thing I'm nervous for is
like for them to have a good time. I want
to make sure they enjoyed themselves and not don't come
away from it like I feel disgusted or that wasn't fun.
I think other people in the industry definitely look down
and me for doing this, but I think at the
end of the day, people forget there's also my fantasy
and this is also something that I'm really enjoying and

(28:23):
wants to and have wanted to do before I was
even in the industry.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Something that I found really interesting in the documentary was
actually the logistics of how they were organizing the one
hundred men that were going to be sleeping with Lily
on the day. I think it would it even generous
to say that it was disorganized as anything, and it
seemed to be done by people who who really didn't
necessarily understand that this could be a risk to her safety,

(28:51):
it could be a risk to their safety. It was
done by her assistance. They basically put a call out
on her only fans and had people submit their applic
that they wanted to be one of the one hundred
men who slept with Lily. They were to send a
photo of themselves alongside with their ID. And these were
the concerns that Josh Peters, the guy who created the documentary,

(29:11):
had about the way that they were selecting men.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
The whole thing I think I'm realizing is actually more
mental than we originally thought. There are one hundred men
turning up to have with her for five minutes each
in a single day. I mean, there's a decent chance
that one of them is going to be dangerous. One
of them might have a weapon, have a criminal record,
a few of them will have STIs. Just on a

(29:35):
basic statistic, you can know that a few of them
are going to have STIs. So let's just hope those
condoms are good ones.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Now, what was interesting about these hundred men that were
selected to be the men who were going to sleep
with Lily on this day is that on the day
of the actual I guess experiment or the challenge I
guess I could call it, quite a few of them
pulled out, And so the assistants who were organizing this
kind of ended up using a referral with the men
who were there, and they said, hey, you know, if

(30:02):
you had a good time and you have a friend,
do you reckon You could message them, send them where
we are, send them the Airbnb details, and get in
contact with us. Because we've had so many pull out
that in order to make this hundred men. We need
more men, we need more people, and so they were
recruiting kind of like on the spot.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, she was also saying that like the people who
were prioritized were people who had had their STI checks done,
but also getting to a point where they didn't have
enough people to actually fulfill that one hundred man goal
meant that they had to, I guess, be more lax
with how they found participants. Look, I mean, the reason
why we wanted to talk about this isn't so much

(30:41):
around the goal setting or this astronomical feat of trying
to sleep with X amount of people in a certain
amount of time. It's because of a specific part of
this interview that has gone very viral, and it's of
Lily reflecting on that one hundred men experience. She went
into it with such a positive look, She went into
it with such a conviction that she was going to

(31:03):
enjoy the experience, that the experience was a fantasy of hers.
And then the follow up interview really showed something that
felt quite dark in comparison. And just for some context,
if there are a couple of words that are muted
in this that's how the documentary had to publish the YouTube,
so it might just sound a little bit cut to you.
And each of the men logistically were to be given

(31:24):
five minutes to spend with Lily. So this is Lily
directly after they had completed the challenge of one hundred men.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Just one in, one out.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Like it feels intense, like more intense than you thought
it might.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Definitely.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
You know when I talked you last, like I was
not nervous. It was like the day before. I was like,
I'm so nervous, but it was good. It was more
I guess the interactions were like I'd have to stop them.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Earning and like.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
You'd have to stand on business and be like, I'm
so sorry you got to go, and like the awkward
interaction of like you feeling pressure to have to make
them come if like you haven't spent enough time with them,
and feeling like they didn't like you didn't give them
a good time because like they only got two minutes.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
And that, and that's what that's just making you feel emotional,
is that maybe you think you didn't give some guys
a good enough time today.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, And it's hard I think having the interactions with
them when they're like, well you're not going to make
me finish. I've come all this way like kind of
like guilt tripping me a little bit. I felt bad,
like some people just travel so far, like I didn't
want to give them a shit time and like come
away from this and be like, oh, that's it. I
think sometimes like feeling so like robotic, like by the

(33:00):
I think like the thirtieth you know, like when we're
getting on a bet, I've got like a routine of
like how we're going to do this, and like it
just sometimes you'd like disassociate and be like, you know,
like it's not like normal things at all. In my
head right now, I can think of like five six
guys tang guys that I remember, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
But it's just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's just weird, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Like if I didn't if I didn't have the videos,
I wouldn't have known I've done one hundred.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
You know, I think for anyone listening to that audio.
When I listened to it the first time, my very
first response was how devastating that sounded, and like it
makes me ask the question right. Often we can have fantasies.
Often we can think that something is going to be
a certain way, and then when we actually experience it ourselves,
the reality of a situation is very, very different from

(33:50):
what we thought it was going to be. But the
issue in this situation is almost that Lily can't change
her mind about it because it has been so public
She has set herself the goal of sleeping with a
thousand men. She has so many OnlyFans subscribers, This is
how she is now making her income, this is what
she has become known for. So it's kind of a

(34:10):
situation of pressure where she can't go back on the
goal that has been set. And it's very evident in
that piece of audio that Lily is quite distressed after
sleeping with one hundred men and that it wasn't necessarily
what she expected it was going to be, and it
was a lot harder than what she expected it to
be in her own words. But then she's gone on
to do many podcasts and to speak about it publicly,

(34:31):
to say that she actually did really enjoy the experience,
and also that she does still have the goal of
sleeping with a thousand men. I mean, we've spoken about
it heaves between the two of us, and also within
the Life Uncut chat that we have because on one hand,
we've had so many conversations about how only Fans can
be so empowering for some people, and how it has

(34:52):
been a really empowering platform for many sex workers. But
I also think it's important to talk about the gray
and to talk about the t when maybe it isn't empowering.
And I watched that video, and I watch that documentary,
and it makes me question whether or not this is
empowering for Lily, a twenty three year old Only Fans creator,
whether this is actually doing psychological harm in the long term,

(35:15):
or whether this is content that in ten twenty years time,
or even directly after she sleeps with this one thousand men,
that she's not actually going to enjoy.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I also feel a bit uncomfortable about even thinking about that,
because on one hand, she's twenty three years old, she
has agency, you know, she's not being pressured into this
by any external factors other than some that we may
get to that we think could be going on psychologically,
and so a part of me is just like, what's
my place to have an opinion on this, you know, absolutely,

(35:46):
And then the other part of me watches the documentary
and I was really really taken back by how much
I felt for her, and I was trying to understand
why that might be the case, and I was like, well,
she's not a victim. She's chosen to get herself into
this position. She said that this is her fantasy. But
it really did make me think about and I think

(36:06):
all of us may have been in a situation like
this before, where we've set ourselves a goal of you know,
we wanted to achieve something, and whether that be that
you want to run a marathon, or whether it be
that you want to do a certain thing for your
job or whatever it is, and you can find yourself
in the situation and you realize like, actually, this is
so not what I thought it was going to be.
But I can't back out now. I can't back out

(36:27):
because I've told people that I was going to achieve it.
In Lily's case, she has literally traded a certain subscription
fee telling people this is what I'm going to do.
And I think that the pressure of that would be
pretty overwhelming, because not only would she almost have to
hate saying the word face up to the fact that
maybe the experience wasn't what she thought, but there is

(36:48):
also a possibility that that was just her immediate reaction.
She was really exhausted. She was going at it quite
literally for fourteen hours. She'd had to have multiple showersout
the day. She was probably phys very very exhausted for sure,
And so I don't want to kind of go, well,
that's actually how she You know, we just got insight
into how she actually feels about it.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Well, because it kind of is like affirmation bias, right,
Like we already know that the industry, there is so
much dehumanizing that goes on. There is so much shame
that is like completely enshrouded in the sex industry, and
the pendulum is swinging. Like we have had many conversations
around how people don't just get into sex work because
they're impoverished, or because it is an absolute need, or

(37:30):
there's addiction issues, which I think used to be the
real mentality. People thought, surely people would only do this
for a job because they had to, And we know
that the mentality around that is changing and that there
are so many people who get into this work because
they want to. But I guess the big part of
this is seeing Lily so upset after setting herself this
goal and going through with the one hundred men, knowing

(37:51):
that she has the goal of a thousand. It's like,
is it affirmation bias that part of the documentary where
when you see her upset, You're like, Aha, I knew
you would regret this. You have confirmed to me that
the way I feel about what you're doing is correct.
Or is it actually, just like you said, kish, a
natural reaction to something that is akin to a marathon.

(38:13):
Many people who do wildly physical activities cry throughout doing
those physical activities or don't love doing them whilst they're
in the midst of that goal setting. And I want
to be really careful about making this comparison. I know
you laugh because I'm like, it sounds world's apart, But
just hear me out on the theory around this. It's
because when we were talking about this, when you first
said the name that you're about to say, I was like,

(38:35):
what are you talking about it?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
And then when you explained it, I was like, oh no,
I so get what you mean.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, all right, So hear me out ned Brockman recently.
He's going to be thrilled, but I'm talking about him
right now.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
He's going to be sleeping with a thousand men.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And he's certainly not no, but he recently I mean,
as you guys might be familiar with Ned Brockman, he's
an incredible, incredible man who has raised so much money
for homelessness by his man marathons. So he ran from
Perth to Bondai. He also recently did a new challenge
which was running one hundred kilometers a day for sixteen days. Ridiculous, right,

(39:10):
and all of Australia got behind him in doing this.
There were many many moments throughout his marathon where he
was crying, where he was swearing, where he looked very
displeased that he was doing it, and he absolutely continued on.
I think it's definitely a fast stretch to compare a
physical marathon to a sex marathon and like have those

(39:33):
things kind of like sit within the same realm or
the same even within the same hemisphere. But I guess
what I'm trying to say is that nobody questioned Ned
Brockman crying. Nobody was like, Aha, see you regret doing this,
you hate this. But that has been our natural reaction
to Lily doing this, seeing her crying on that documentary.
The instant reaction is to think Oh, my god, are

(39:56):
you going to regret this? Is this the worst decision
that you have made for yourself? And I guess it
is because there is an opportunity or there is a
possibility that she will. But it's also not our place
to have that fear for her because it is the
decision that she's making for herself.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I think also this is where we get into the
realm of concern trolling, where like faux concern. If you
look on Elily's Instagram, which I did last night, and
my god, I regret doing it. It was an absolute
cess pit. The shame being put onto her was quite
literally disgusting. There's an amount that no matter how primed
and prepped you were, no matter if you'd grown up

(40:31):
with this your entire life, I don't think we are
ever psychologically able to handle that amount of scrutiny from
the world. And I truly felt for her in that moment.
But I really I thought about this internally of why
I had this deep amount of concern for her, given that,
like you know, she has all of the things similar

(40:51):
to Ned, where she'd set herself, the challenge, she'd achieved,
the challenge that she went out there for she showed emotion,
but ned did too, you know, why did I feel
like it was different? And I got myself into a
little bit of a rabbit hole when when she said
that she felt like she dissociated. You know, she could
only really remember six of the men out of the hundred,
or six to ten of the men, And if she

(41:12):
didn't have the footage of that experience, she wouldn't have
really thought that it actually had occurred. And I did
go a little bit deep on this because I thought,
maybe that's why I feel so uncomfortable about it. Maybe
it's the fact that she feels as though to accomplish
this challenge she has to literally feel an outer body experience.
She doesn't want to feel physically connected to it herself.

(41:33):
And I did a bit of research and Stanford Medicine
said that between two and ten percent of the population
will experience the phenomenon known as dissociation during their lives,
but that dissociation usually occurs as a result of trauma, hypnosis,
or certain drugs. And this is where I thought, ooh,
maybe this is why I feel so deeply uncomfortable about this.

(41:54):
She's obviously not under the influence of drugs, she's not
under hypnosis. Do I feel uncomfortable because I actually think
she could be causing quite serious psychological trauma to herself.
You know, she said that she has dissociated in the
experience and that she wants to times that experience by tenfold.
She wants to up it to one thousand men. Do
I see a young woman, someone who's twenty three years old,

(42:17):
making choices that I think could have very serious psychological
impacts for them long term. Maybe maybe that's why I
actually feel concerned for Lily, and I hope that that's
the case, because I don't think that we can ever
completely separate ourselves from the fact that, you know, most
of the trolling that was going on her Instagram was like, Wow,
I bet your parents are proud of you. There was
such slut shaming that I think we've all become somewhat

(42:40):
accustomed to as we were growing up, and you know,
we were told to worry about body counts, and we
were told to think of ourselves as pure and saving
ourselves for the right person. I don't think I can
ever fully remove myself from those messages, even though we
have spent so long really pushing the narrative in the
opposite direction.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, I'm trying to unpick it.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I guess I landed on the
fact that maybe Lily actually was involved in this experience
because she felt the pressure to live up to a
goal that she had created for herself, even though she
was putting herself through a lot of psychological stress. And
I don't think it would be normal if you didn't
have care for that. I don't think it would be
normal to see that and see how upset she was

(43:20):
and not feel as though you had some type of
sympathy for her that you know, she might not be
a victim in the sex industry how we typically used
to think of victims. But maybe she's a victim to
the algorithms now, maybe she's a victim to the fact
that we have to have more outrageous and out their
content to draw people in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Well, I guess the big question is is is this empowering?
That has always been the question around OnlyFans, and it
has really been like the thing that set it apart
in so many ways is that only Fans was and
is empowering. I think of creators like Bonnie Blue. I
know we've mentioned her a couple of times. She talks
about the experiences that she's had, and I've listened to

(44:01):
so many podcast episodes where she speaks around it being
something that she wants to do, she feels empowered by it,
she enjoys it. She has never outwardly or publicly at
least spoken in a negative way. And I think that
this is the first time where we have seen a
creator like this. Actually I take that back. It's the
second time that we have seen a creator like this

(44:21):
speak about an experience and show negative reactions to what
they've just gone through. And the other person that I
want to talk about very quickly is Lisa Sparks. So,
Lisa Sparks is the sex worker who has the record
for the most men slept with in a twenty four
hour period. In two thousand and four, she's slept with

(44:42):
nine hundred and nineteen men in one day. At a
sex industry event in Poland. Now, interestingly, Lisa, who was
in the industry for literally twenty five years, came out
and said, to be completely transparent with you all. This
event is the only thing I regret doing in my
twenty three plus years in the porn industry to this day.

(45:02):
This was also the only job that I agreed to
perform strictly for the money. I think that that is
such an interesting and important quote, because I think it's
fine to kind of think, Okay, well, look, she's she's
setting these parameters for herself, she's making these decisions. But
if those decisions are purely based on the fact that
she is now occurring a huge amount of subscribers and

(45:25):
is making millions and millions of dollars off the back
of it, I do question, like will money be enough
to resolve any sort of residual feeling of like I
didn't want to be doing this, but the money was
good enough.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And I also it kind of makes me question, like
removing the fact that we've said, you know, only fans
enabled empowerment of women, particularly in the sex industry, at
what point does someone step in, Because if these women
are working for themselves, there's no referee, there's no one
who's there to say we're going too far, like we've
actually pushed the boundaries too much, you're not cope with this,

(46:00):
And I wonder whether we've replaced that with the public
who were the subscribers, you know, I kind of equate
that pressure of the expectation to now being well, we
have things like AI porn a lot more accessibility to
this type of content, and therefore the goalposts do seem
to keep shifting. You know, with these creators that are

(46:22):
getting a lot of headlines and a lot of media attention,
it's because they're doing more and more outrageous things.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Also, I mean, we talk about people being victims to
an industry, and you brought up a really important point before, Keisha.
It's not being victims to the industry of being a
sex worker, and I really want to make that clear.
It's being a victim to content. It's being a victim
to having to push things further and further in order
to have the same impact, and that exists in all

(46:49):
aspects of content creation. I think about people like I mean,
I think that us, for example, speaking about our lives
or speaking about personal things and things that when we
very first started this podcast, we were like we would
never ever talk about. And then years and years down
the track, you get more comfortable, you become more familiar
with the platform, you become more familiar with your audience,

(47:12):
and that kind of the bar gets pushed further and further. Now,
I'm not saying that there's ever been a time where
I've shared something that I've regretted. I love sharing what
I share, but I also know that they could come
a time in the future where one of my kids
might say, hey, Mum, I really didn't like that you
shared that story about me when I was five, you know,
because now it's something that lives forever on the Internet

(47:35):
and I didn't ask you to share that. Like, that's
a possibility, and it is this question of, like, well,
where is the line and when does content and content
creation the snowball effect of it become too much.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
And I think that was my overall takeaway from the
whole documentary. I felt as though Lily does not have
control over that snowball, and that's my own personal opinion.
Other people might disagree, and I don't want for people
to misinterpret that as me kind of putting an element
of shame onto her. I really thought, Wow, I so

(48:07):
hope that the next business decision you make is that
you get a manager who genuinely, genuinely gives a fuck
about you and is willing to help you establish what
you are and aren't comfortable with. Because I felt as
though I saw the dissolving of boundaries. You know that
one particular thing that really stood out to me was
how much she cared about the experience of the men

(48:30):
that she was sleeping with.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Which is like such a for any woman who is
in their twenties. And I say, actually, it doesn't matter
what age you are, but I think about this from
when I was in my twenties, how much I cared
about making sure that the person I was with had
a good time above my own satisfaction.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
One hundred percent relate.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Like the things that I would have done in my twenties,
the things I did do, which I look back on
now and go, that would have been a straight up
fucking no. But I wanted him to have a good time,
and so I deprioritize my discomfort or my feelings of like,
oh that kind of makes me feel icky for his
pleasure and my worry, which echoes what you say in this, Keisha,

(49:12):
is that if this is going to be about money
or be about an experience, the boundaries have to be
so firm it's you come in, you get your one
and a half minutes, your five minutes, whatever it is,
because literally, I mean we've done the maths to sleep
with a thousand men in twenty four hours, each man
would have one minute and forty seconds. Like, that's a
boundary that has to be firm in order to reach
that goal. So it's almost as though they need someone

(49:35):
there who it doesn't have to be Lily. Lily isn't
the one saying, hey, you need to leave now, because
that's almost too much pressure for someone who's already in
quite a vulnerable position to be able to exact those
sort of boundaries. It's crazy to me how unregulated it
is and how someone who is a creator can simply
be like, all right, everyone just rock up to this address,

(49:56):
because there are so many elements to it that are
really unsafe.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Contrasts this with the conversation that you guys had with
Angela White. Angela White had been in the sex industry
for quite a while before she started her Only Fence.
She now has her own production company where she is
the one making the rules. You know, she's the one
saying yes or no, but she also has the considerations
of things like her safety. She has her boundaries. They
are firm as anything. You know, her actual words were,

(50:22):
if it's not a fuck, yes, it's a no to me.
And I compare that to Lily, and I think that
their world's apart. And that's why I think I can
find Angela's work really empowering, and I can say, Wow,
that's amazing that you're doing this and you're making all
of this money from it. And I look at Lily
and I think you're in a potentially dangerous situation because

(50:43):
you don't have any of the infrastructure around you to
support you, to make sure that you're going to be okay.
And I mean that physically and psychologically.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, And I mean, like we said at the very beginning,
we toyed around whether we should have this conversation or not,
but we had been speaking about it quite a bit,
and we will, like you know, when something keeps coming up,
it's what makes us realize, Okay, yes, it's definitely something
we want to discuss. But the question was whether or
not talking about this in this light undoes all of

(51:11):
the really positive conversations that have kind of pushed the
pendulum into the area of like, Okay, well, look, sex
workers also have agency, they're not all victims, et cetera,
et cetera. But I do think it's really important to
talk about the full spectrum of this and there are
instances where it sits in the gray, and for us,
this was definitely one of those discussions that sat within

(51:32):
the gray. And I think most people who have seen
that part of this documentary and we will link everything
in the show notes would feel as uncomfortable as we
felt overararchingly in the question that we all keep coming
back to is is this version empowering for women? All Right?
It is time for us sucking us with Keisha Petit Petit?

(51:54):
What is your suck for the week? My suck for
the week is that every single year I forget that
this happens.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
My car insurance, my private health insurance, and my car
registration are due on the first week of January. So
what is already so bad? It's already such a financially
stressful time because it's like Christmas and you know, you
kind of spend up around the summer season, right, and
I am a good little saber like so it's not
like it's not like the money's not there. It's not

(52:22):
like I'm gonna have to you know, beg borrow and steal.
But I think just every time it comes around, I
have that same feeling of like, when are you going
to start learning to prep better?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Maybe that can be my news resolution. I mean, does
anyone ever follow through? By midnext year you realize you
haven't done it, and then that'll be perfect. What is
your sweet for the week?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
My sweet for the week. This might sound really lame
to so many people, but for the past three nights
in a row, I've got over ninety five percent sleep
score on my woop and it brings me so much joy.
I got nine hours of sleep last night, or right,
nine hours and two minutes.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Have you seen the thing that's going viral the moment?
The Project did a post on it, and it was
from a sleep expert who showed a picture of what
the human body looks like if you consistently have less
than six hours sleep for twenty years. It ain't good.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It ain't good.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It ain't good.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
And from all of my research into sleep, which is
actually quite extensive, I'll have you know that if you're
a woman, you need an extra hour of sleep to
what your male counterparts do, especially when you mention you
eight is it actually true?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I saw that post as well your extensive research. You
saw a couple of Instagram posts.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
No, I have listened to a lot of podcasts from
actual sleep experts, and I will say I feel fucking great. Okay.
I was really stressed last week because we had a
lot of work to do. We had a lot of
like before Britt went over to Romania, and I was
not sleeping very well because we were all quite stressed
and we were all kind of crawling to the finish line.
And now that she's gone, love you, Britt, But I've

(53:49):
been back to sleeping like an absolute log and it's
been fantastic.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Okay, Well, my stuck on the flip side is that
I was up at four twenty this morning to get
a plane to come here to do our recording.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Was that me to brag about getting nine hours of
sleep when you've had like three?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
No, I think it's aspirational, if anything. I look at
that and I'm like, wow, one day, one day, that
would be nice to look as fresh.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
You can come sleep at my house and I'll go
it up and do the midnight like.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Cuddles with Lola. Were you also fuck my husband?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Definitely?

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Not so much. It would be like what are you
doing out fucking Rose?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
But look, if I'm gonna be honest, My actual suck
this past week was that we had our last episode
with Mitch, which was so I mean, it was beautiful,
but it was really sad. You guys are very across
all of that, so I don't want to go into
it too much again, but that was definitely the low light.
The highlight of the week, however, was that we went
and we did the Carols in Surface Paradise And this
was my second year, Matt's third year, and honestly, it's

(54:50):
just I'm not being paid to say this. It is
the most special thing. And like the girls come out
on stage and sing little Song and Lola, so the
girls got to come out out onto the stage. There
is literally like twenty thousand people. It is crazy. I'm
sure it's not twenty thousand, but it is like if
I looked at the Life on Cut Live shows, which

(55:10):
was two and a half thousand, it would have been
six or seven times that. Like, it is insane. How
many people are there. The beach for as far as
you can see, is just back to back people and
the girls are on stage and we were singing we
wish you were Merry Christmas with the actual singers because
not the matter. Myself can sing. And Lola took the
microphone from me and she's like, wish you were merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
We wish give.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
A little rat rendition, dead pan, really serious, just yelling it,
we wish you were merry Christmas. And she just had
so much bravery. And I wasn't expecting it from her.
I was expecting it from Malei, but Marley was super shy,
she didn't want the microphone nearer, and Lola she fucking
stepped up to the plate. But what a cool memory.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
It's so cool. I was actually just thinking about the
Pink show that I went to this year and her
daughter comes out and sings a song. She's actually a
really really beautiful singer as well. She sings that Sunshine song.
She actually sings it on the record as well, and
it was so beautiful to see this, like mom daughter,
so cool kind of jewet situation. I was just thinking
about you singing with the girls on the sound the identical.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
You'd never know the difference anyway, guys, that is it
from us. Britta and I will be back on Thursday's
episode for ask gun Cut and if you want to
join in the discussion, group life and Cut Discussion group.
If you want to send your questions in for Ask
Gun Cut, send them on in.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
It might be getting answered by Matt and Laura or
Ben and Britt for the summer.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
And that is it from us.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
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