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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders
past and present.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was
recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.
I'm Brittany.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now I'm Laura.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I have a question for you. Wow, straight out of
the gate.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We're not just going to have any like little nuh hello?
Catch up?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Do you have a toenail like a little tonel?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Like, does your little toe have a fully formed toenail?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, it's tiny, way because look look at this shit.
What is that?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
That's rank? That's your question.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I have tiny, little fat toes, so like my toes tiny. Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
The reason I'm asking this is because I think that
there is a portion of the popular out there whose
little toe has been Yeah, it's just been beaten so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's had such a hard life.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
My little toe has had such a hard life that
the toenail.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Literally doesn't grow anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
And I mean if you've been following along to the
pod for a while, you would know, or socials whatever
I've just gotten back from Bali, I got a foot
massage and I got my toenails done while I was there.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I know you got you know you did not. I'm
calling bullshit. Get a refund because those toes have not
been done. Case you look at that toe. Look at
this beat. Wait wait, look she's trying to toes over
in Hinde.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Stop looking stoop shaming me for my toes.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, the man was there and he was this lovely
Balinese guy similar age massaging my feet, and even he
every so often made this look like he was rebulsed,
and I was like, ah, that's I.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Reckon, it's paying you pretend like you're enjoying it. Firstly,
what happened to your feet? Because you said you got
them done, They're not done. This is the fucking effects
of the milky foot thing.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Like I got them done and then literally days later
they're still shedding.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's because you don't wear shoes anyways. Also a problem.
I feel like when we were made, like however we're
made by spontaneous combustion, God, whatever, when we were made,
I feel like he put us together and he starts
from the top down and by the time he gets
to the little toe. I feel like it's the last
thing he puts on the body and he's just got
nothing left. He's like I've run out of juice. So
you get this tiny, little smidgy toe. That's what I

(02:23):
think happens. I have like little chizzo stubs thanks to
the big bank. Yours are not churio. Yours are more
like a German sausage, Like they're long and skinny.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
That last one is like a little what's that small
little potato? What's that type of potato? It's a chat potato?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, how was Barley harther than with your foot experience?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
So this was my very first holiday with our kids.
I went to Bali for seven days without my children,
just with my sister and like one star from Tony Mate,
I mean we worked. I feel like I have to
justify myself every time.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
But you also don't like even if you went away
without work, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Now, how dare you, as a mother have a life
and enjoy yourself without your children? How sacrilege? It was amazing.
I missed my kids so much, like so so much.
It was weird enough to side back. I am coming
to you today from Bali. No I'm back. I'm back
in the studio. I miss them so much. But it
also made me realize how much I don't like other

(03:21):
people's children.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Is that a terrible thing to say? I think that's standard.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I love my kids. I don't think they're perfect. I'm
not like someone who's like, my kids are amazing. Everyone
else's kids suck.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
You do tell me every day that your kids are
basically in mensa the genius, But no.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I think when they're your own children, you just have
such a different level of patience for their shit, right,
Like when they're your kids, you're like, Okay, I can
deal with this because I created you.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
You are my.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
DNA, and I am responsible for whatever it is that
you do, and because you have to yeah, and you
can just inside your body, there's a great level of
patience and everything else. And I guess, like I've said
this before, but I have. I was never someone who
was particularly maternal, Like I never had this overwhelming like
I want to be a mom, I want to have babies.
But when I had kids, I was like, oh my god,

(04:06):
I love being a mom and everything changed about my life.
But when I'm away from my children and I have
to be around other people's kids. Kids who I am
I have no connection with. I'm talking like strangers, kids
on planes and stuff. I realized that my patience for
other people's children is very low, which is not fair
because I would hope that some people are more patient
with my children, but I just don't have it for

(04:26):
other people's kids.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
But I think there's a really small special subgroup of
people in the world, like the child cares and teachers.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, daycare workers, that's it, Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
That actually enjoy other people's kids. Otherwise, I don't think
you're a minority like I think. I think the minority
is people that froth other people's kids.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, So I say this because so we flew to Bali.
Oh dear, we flewp Balle. We flew Jetstar. It's a
small seat for six hours, and directly behind me there
was like a six year old boy and he had
brought plato on the plane. He was flying with his dad,
but maybe he was like five, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
He was young.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
He was flying with his dad. His dad was in
the middle seat, and then he had his other brother
who was a little bit older, on the other seat
next to him, like next to his dad, and the
kid had put the tray table down and was playing
with Plato, but was like banging, that's banging the trade.
I don't know if you could hear that from Afar,
but he was. He was really making a pancake. He

(05:22):
was really getting into the Plato making, which meant that
my a pancake. My entire seat on the plane was
reverberating the entire time, and every time he'd bang his
little fists onto the tray table, my seat would go
bud blud bud, and so I waited. I tolerated this
for a good twenty five minutes until eventually I turned
around and I was like, look, I'm really sorry to

(05:44):
the day.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, from parent to parent, I'm gonna parent down with you.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I was like, could you maybe ask him not to
bang on the seat, and the dad goes, you don't
bang on the seat.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That was what I got.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Anyway, two seconds later, bang bang bang, and I had
this moment where I was like, fuck you for your
shitty parenting because he wasn't like the kid was obviously
occupied and it wasn't affecting the dart. The dad just
like he just went into coast mode and just let
it affect everyone else.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
And I was like, how do you So did you
turn around again?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, and said it again, but this time to the
kid directly, which stop your little shit.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I turned around.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And I and I said it exactly how I would
say it to my own children. I turned around and
I was like, can you please stop hitting the seat
or you're in that naughty corner? Yeah, and tastu.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah. He stopped for real five minutes then he started.
Yet it hits different when like, remember when you're a kid,
you know what you can push with your parents, but
when another parent disciplined you, it's cooked. You're like, you
listen because it just hits different totally.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
But it just reinforces how much your own kids don't
listen to you. No, no, To be fair, this child
didn't listen to me either, So it was very similar
to parenting my own children.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
So what do you do? Just let him kick you.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, for for five and a half hours, he kicked
the back of my seat. Now, actually he kicked it
for about three hours and then he had a sleep,
He had a nap, He wore himself.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I I'm not good at confrontation, but I also have
really thin patients on a plane and for six hours
on that tiny jet star seat, I would have lost it.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I ended up turning around, I think, in total, about
four or five times to say can you please stop
hitting this?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Or I would have asked me you stop hitting the
seat if there was another seat.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
And three of those times was directed at the dad
and twice to the kid, which I think is an
excessive amount of time to have to ask someone to
stop hitting your seat.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
The dad couldn't care less.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
He did not give a single not one single fuck.
Was he by himself, no mum, was traveling on his own.
He had already checked out of his life. Like you know,
if you have telling if you've got a border plane
with your two kids and you're not co parenting and
you're got to do one hundred percent of it yourself.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
He was like, I do not care.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
You cannot ask me to do anything right now. I
am not listening. I am surviving. And I think I
should have had more patience for him.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
You know what, he was traveling alone with his kids. Yeah,
I feel sorry for him. So he was probably just
like fucking small pos to pay like chicken cop this
for six hours?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Do you know what?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
That was the worst. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
They started with the two worst part, my feet and
my playing troop.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
The rest of that troop was bringing to people all
they want.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was amazing, It was so amazing. But you know what,
this isn't about me. This is about you because I
read a Daily Mail article that you are going through
a heartbreaking period in your relationship. Actually, I will read
you the headline. Daily Mail wrote a really beautiful article
about britt This is the article Brittany Hockley reveals heartbreaking

(08:25):
news about new Swiss soccer boyfriend Benjamin Zerrust.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Bejaminam Benmin Benjamin don't have to go and your head
like goes like a little peacock. Sorry, what is the
heartbreaking news? Okay, I read this. I don't know you
told me. It's that makes it sound like someone's dying.
I saw this yesterday and I was like, fuck, did
you guys break up? And you didn't tell me?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like I thought something bad had actually probably.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Something that would happen, like yeah, I just would go
into like the depths of depression and you'd have to
come pull me out and you'd be like, what happened.
I'd be like I didn't want to tell you. No,
that's a lie.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You would just send me a text and then you
wouldn't answer your phone.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's what would happen.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Brittany likes to be really dramatic in text message and
then she puts it on do not disturb and doesn't
answer because.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's I can't. I told you, I don't. You guys
don't believe me. I don't deal with this stuff very well,
and I want to tell anyone anything, so when I
have to, it's like I dropped the bomb and then
run away. So I can't deal with you know.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But you do it in the most dramatic way possible.
You'll be like, hey, so Jordan broke up with me.
I'm super depressed and I you know, my life is
not going to go on and then you then you
don't answer.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's like, fuck, that is not completely I broke up
with him, no.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Chaking.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yes, I do drop a bomb and run and then
I pretend I don't exist anymore because that's how I
deal with my problems. Okay, it's not healthy. I don't
recommend it.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, and we've done a lot, We've done four years
of self help on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
But it hasn't really helped. Well, hang on, what was
the Brittany self? What is the heartbreak? I've told me it.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Actually, I think we didn't read it, so we could
be broken up or dying, and you just stop reading.
Brittany's going through something really bad. I'll just check out here.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Because I knew it wasn't true.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
This could have been the worst moment of my life.
You're not gonna tell you now. I'm gonna make you
read it another date. You'll have to read read it.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Do you know what you say? This could be the
worst moment of your life. You look pretty good. You're
not gonna see him for three months? I'm not, you know,
to be honest, the article was anti climat Dick one hundred, like,
you're not gonna see him for three months. I'm like, June,
you'll be fine, You're gonna be okay.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's actually thirteen weeks.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
How do you feel heartbreaknant? As the article said, no to.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
This is the longest we would have gone in the
last we would have been together fourteen months by the
time I see him. But in the last year, this
is the longest. It is a long time, like thirteen
weeks to then only see each other for two weeks
at a time. It's a long time, most heartbreaking moment,
clickbait headline for sure, like I'm gonna live, but it

(10:54):
is really sad and every time I leave him definitely
gets harder. We had a really amazing time, but every
single time I go on holiday, I don't know why.
I get really sick. Now apparently this is a science thing.
Heaps people wrote to me saying it's like literally science
behind it, saying that's t when your body finally can
get sick, because you're like, oh, I'm going to stop
for a second.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Pretty actually covid Is that actually true though?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, I had so many messages. I think it is.
I think there was some study with someone and some persons.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, so it was pretty accurate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
So I went over there a little bit unwell, like
I started to get a cult. But like one day
in I was great, it was gone, it was nothing.
I got three amazing days with Ben.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
He got three days off.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
We had three amazing days in Majorca and it was
just like everything I could have imagined, everything I wanted.
It was beautiful. Then we got back to Scotland and
I think I had COVID. I think I was. I
was basically sick the whole time. I know it doesn't
look like that. I probably only showed you guys one
story set actually showing how sick I was.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
But it was so shit.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
And then my sister got it. She's still bedridden. Sherry's
been been ridden for seven days. And apparently there's this
new strain of COVID going around the UK. I think
fucking happens in the UK.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
You didn't want to do a test, didn't want to check.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, it doesn't. I wasn't seeing anyone, and I was
sick anyway, Like I was just at home and seeing Ben,
and there's no point checking anymore. The flu's worse than
COVID these days, so they say. But I was just
really really unwell and that was most of my holiday, unfortunately,
but still it was. Ben didn't get sick, and he
told me he wouldn't. He's like, I've got this crazy immunity.
He's like a very rarely get sick. So whatever. But

(12:24):
I got a few days either side that were really
really good. The start was really good and the last
couple of days were really good. We just chilled and
all I can think is like when you're talking about
your holiday in Bali. I love Ben, but.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Scotland's not doing it for me anymore. I am not surprised.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's like it's worth it because I get to spend
my holiday with him, but it means that every holiday
of my entire life I'm in it's somewhere over there
now and I'm still cold and rainy.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
So how are you going to navigate this? Because, like
I mean, there's been lots of talk about going and
spending prolonged periods over there, Like if you are not
enjoying it as a place to be, how do you be.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I enjoy it because I'm with him and my sister
was there, but it's more just the idea. And I
guess if I was there for longer periods it sounds crazy,
but you'd be ducking over to Europe, like you can
be in Paris in like an hour on a plane
or an hour on a train. Like there are ways
to escape Scotland, of course, and Scotland's not all bad.
It's just that the weathers. You're never gonna enjoy it.
You're never gonna go swimming in the pool. They have

(13:21):
nice sunny days. But it's not like a hot summer, right,
so I would just have to escape. But I did
spend some time with my best friends over there slash
my only friends, Eugene, Alex and Eugene Ben's gay neighbors
from next door. If you're new to the podcast, they're
Ben's best friends in Scotland. Now they're my best friends
in Scotland. They're Oh, they listen to this, they'll be angry.
I've got to get it right.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Last time he said they're sixty five. They're sixty five?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Are they really?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Because last time he said that they were in their
sixties and they were offended.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So I no, I say seventy. It's Eugene's sixty fifth
birthday next week, so happy birthday, Eugene.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
And one of them is a psychic. Eugene's a psychic.
So just so you know, Eugene is a psychic. Las
time went over there, not last night, but like you know,
at Christmas time, she went over there and she saw
him and he said that Mitch and Mitch's boyfriend were
going to break up. And then literally three weeks after
Brick got back, they broke up. Yeah, it was a surprise.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
So Eugene was right. Yeah, I did tell Mitch Eugene
was a really famous psychic in Scotland and in the UK.
He used to like probably exaggeration, but he used to
work for like the FBI or something.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
He worked.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
You know how you might see true those true crime
documentaries where they bring psychics in sometimes when they're really
desperate to try and find a missing person.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
We've all see a medium.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, so he used to do that, and he used
to do rings for a lot of people. But he
also was a hospital worker, right, so he's very science
based but also besees things. Anyway, Yeah, he said about Mitch.
He was like, Mitch's going to break up with his partner,
and I was like, no, he's really happy, Like they've
been together for five years. That's not going to happen.
He's like, it's going to happen. It's going to happen
very soon. They're two different people and something, they're going

(14:52):
different directions and something's going to happen. And then they
broke up three weeks later or something crazy. But anyway,
this time we were having lunch and I didn't get
a reading because you know, I don't want to be
that annoying person.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
That's like, every time you see him, though, are you
like tell me what's gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Every time I see him, I look really deeply into
his eyes, waiting for him to like get it, receive information,
and tell me anyway, receive nothing. He didn't say anything.
I didn't ask him, and then he drove me to
the airport. They took me to the airport. So they
were driving me to the airport, and then just as
I was going to get it, I was like, you
do not have to ask. I was like, did anything
come through for me this trip? He's like, you're fucking
getting out of the car now. He's like, no, nothing

(15:28):
came through. I was like, okay, thanks, but we're sitting
at lunch and he just went, you guys can't see this,
but we're just eating and he went and he got
like this hit and he looked off for a second
and then he looked at me and he goes, oh,
Mitch's going to fall in love really soon. And I
was like, oh really, and he's like, yeah, he's going
to be in a relationship really soon. And I was
like that's great. And then he kept eating and it

(15:48):
and he went got another hit and he goes, huh,
and he already knows him. So he said that Mitch's
next partner is someone that he's already met and he
already knows. Why does he get so many visions about me?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
The vision about me for Fox too?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Think it's because he excuse me, what about me? I'm
the one there?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Do you think it's because he's gay?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like maybe they read there's gay people better. Maybe gay
mediums get different energies from different people. I don't know,
but Mitch comes through a lot with Eugene.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's very interesting. Do you know what?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
This just reminded me of something.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's completely off topic, But when I was away and
I didn't have my own children and Matt was parenting
completely solo parenting.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
That's a lie. He had his mum, but he was trying,
oh yeah, we know, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I sent him a lot of messages being like, I reckon,
we should have a third kid. I reckon, we should
just do it next years. All the time I was like,
I decided away. Yeah yeah, no, I know, And he wasn't.
So he's really against him. He was really against the idea.
He was like, that's having a newborn sounds like a
fucking terrible idea, and I was like, we should just

(16:49):
do it. We should just like, let's just have one.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
And now that you're back and you're sleep deprived again
and you got the kids, do you still think that, Yeah,
why where is this come from? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Maybe the last few, like they're shriveling up. I'm going
to head into early menopause soon, and they're like, let's
just go one more chance. Maybe let's hit it, let's go.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I just this part of me that's like, maybe we
should have one more hit.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I swear to God correct me if I'm wrong. I'm
like a crack addict. If it wasn't that long ago
that Matt was like, I want another kid, and you
were like, well, cowboy, yeah, how to turn tea bush?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Because he took he took it off the table. He
said no, and I'm like, don't say no.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
To me like that baby, you like a child, put
it in me.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
So now he's like no, he did right back, and
he wrote fuck me a newborn and I read that
as fuck me a newborn, like like I should do me.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, comma space a newborn? Question yeah, it said. No,
that's not what it is.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Punctuation is very important kids, Yeah, yeah, grammar is important.
But no, yeah, I think so. You still think that,
but not now, Like, don't go getting too crazy guys,
Like maybe like next year.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Oh no, this doesn't excite me. It gives me exciting.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
We have to talk about how it's gonna work. Anyway. Look,
I love that we've just had a little catch up.
I mean, we haven't seen each other for the last
two weeks, but also we had a week off the pod.
So for us, this is just as much of a
catch up, is what it sounds like to you guys.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, no, really, it's all real. We haven't heard it.
So I also got a uti over there. Awesome, but
I didn't get it until the last day.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Do you know why you got that sex? You were
having such dirty sex. It's not dirty, No, I know
it's not.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I take the back.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I've had very clean and hygienic I've had so many
UTIs in my last time. I've had a bladder infection
because it got so far up there.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Do you know what it is? It's because I don't
have sex for three months and then I have enough
sex to make up for the fact that I didn't
have sex for three months. That's why I get each hat.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Do you know how we had that conversation about how
your body knows when it wants it to stop. Your
body's literally like stop.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Now, please please, he's coming, please please, do not put
that to do No. So I got ETI on the
very last day, and I was on the day that
I was flying out. And when I say get it,
anyone that's listening has had yout You know, there's a
very particular feeling at the start when you get it.
I don't know if you remember, no tingling. It's the heaviness,
it's the well frequently I mean frequent you in but

(19:00):
I don't know how to explain it. It's like heavy inside,
It's really heavy and sensitive and this is like bearing down.
I don't know that's what I get. Anyway, I get
that as well, but that's just from my prolapse.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, same, same, that's my uterus after walking around.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
All that, I have to dug it back in sometimes.
So anyway, I could feel this feeling and I was like,
and for me, it, I mean for most people happens quickly,
but the last time, remember you guys, I told you
I had one in Bali, and within like five hours,
I was wean blood and I was in so much
pain and Ben had to go to the doctors. Anyway,
Ben was that training. I could feel that I was
getting this in a couple of hours. I was getting

(19:37):
on a plane for twenty five hours of flying, and
I thought, oh my god, if I get this on
the plane, because that's how fast it escalates. I was like,
I need to try and go to a pharmacist right
now before I get on this plane. I only had
an hour, so I messaged, of course, Alex and Eugene
next door, and I was like, hey, guys, I need
to I've just realized I need some medication before my
fly is any way you can take me because I

(19:58):
didn't have a car over there, like yeah, of course.
So they swung by, got all my staff and took
me to a pharmacy. Now Alex was like, oh, I'm
really bad at a Scottish accent, but I'm gonna try.
Everyone has written in saying, oh my god, Alex is
like Missus Doubtfire, and he is. He's exactly like Missus Doubtfire.
He looks like her. He sounds like her. So we
pull up and Eugene's like, I'm going to stay in

(20:20):
the car. You guys go in, Alex, take her in.
Take it to the pharmacy. It's like their local pharmacy,
because it's different in Scotland. You can't just go and
get Uti medication over the counter. And I didn't have time.
So I walk in and he's walking in with me
and he's like, what's the problem. I said, oh, I've
got a Uti. I just told them I don't care.
I was like, he's like, where would you?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I said to Alex, I've got a UTI and I
cannot get on a plane like this. And he's like,
no worries. And then he said, do you want me
to come in with you or do you want me
to st out here? And I said, well no, you
can come in. He's like, I don't want to embarrass you.
I said, you're not going to embarrass me, Like, of
course you can come in. So we walk in and
there's this tiny little pharmacy and there's about ten people
in there, scattered around, and we get to the counter

(21:02):
and everything silent, because you know, when you're in entire
little pharmacy everyone's really quiet. Alex goes, oh, Michael, hold on, Michael,
we need some help. Britney here is from Australia.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
She's got a bun in.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
YOUTI and I was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Alex?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I was like, everyone in the thing turned around.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
It only came on this morning, but it's given them
lots of pain.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
And I was like, Alex, I was like, remember how
you just said you don't want to come in because
you want embarrass me. I was like, everyone in here doesn't.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Need to know.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I have you two. I. Then the lady at the
back turns around. Don't worry, Darland. I just picked up
my ut medication. She's like eighty. And I was like,
this is the worst moment of my life.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Do you know what is the worst moment of my life?
You're a Scottish accent. It's fucking awful.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
But I was like, this is an unnecessary moment. Then
it was so hard. It was like trying to get crack.
Not that I've ever tried to get cracked, but this
is how I imagine it was. Iron cracks probably easier it was.
I had to sit and I had to we allowed
a whole form with my whole history. I had to
sit in a private room. He wasn't going to give
it to me. He's like, I can't give you this,
and I'm like, please give me this medication. Oh my gosh,

(22:10):
she's about the weird blot and it was a nightmare. Anyway,
I got my medication, got on the plane, dealt within
five hours, got home and I just want to report
that has gone. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Okay, does that mean that we'll never have to listen
to that?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Wait? So, is that it?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
That's your number one update from Scotland.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
You just went away with the love of your life
and the story. Yes, but Ben still loved me when
I was at the depths of my despair and he
looked after me so like, I just feel like he's
my forever.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Oh, oh my god, it's so cute.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay. One other thing I will tell you. This absolutely
blew my mind and I can't believe I forgot until
right now.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
We really should make a list of the shit that
we're supposed to talk about, because we get to this
point where I do.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Make a list in my head. I was driving along
in Scotland and guess what I saw past me? Eleprecorn
close a life bun cut jumper. No, stop it in
Scotland's stop it?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Was it one of Ben's family members? No, it was
a stranger. And we were zipping past and she was
walking past, and I tried to wind the window down
really fast, but I was about fifty meters past at
this point and I yelled out really loudly, we love love.
And she turned around but I was too far away.
Then she was like, stop in Australia. She's like, someone
gave this away. I found it on the road and

(23:31):
then I told Sherry and she was like, I saw
a this is in Glasgow. She goes, I saw a
girl walking around Edinburgh with a life on cut jumper
as well. Can we got to two people in Scotland?

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Guys, this is just a promo. I know it's getting
Warman out, but our fucking life on cut jumpers are
so nice. Like the quality of them if so good.
If you haven't got yourself a life and cut jumper
yet there's still some available and like you know what,
it doesn't even matter if you don't like the podcast.
The quality of the jumpers of fucking litty City. I
was trying to say, then, and let me see it again.

(24:01):
I had a similar situation in Bali. So we were
waiting for Gojack and this is also like a reminder
of the live shows. But we were waiting for a
Gojack and the Gojack had pulled up. If you haven't
been to Bali, Gojack is kind of like the Uber
equivalent over there, right, and you can book a scooter
or you can book a car. Anyway, we were waiting
for a car to pick us up, and the car
had stopped. It was finishing off a trip, and then

(24:21):
it started again, but the trip hadn't finished, and so
we're on this tiny little one lane like going on
one direction and the cars coming down the road and
we can see it still full, so it hasn't finished
the drop off. Anyway, the people in the car wind
the window down and they were like, oh, we're so sorry.
We got the address wrong. Our addresses just a little
bit further. And then as they were in the middle
of the sentence, she was like.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Oh my god, it's life on cut.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
And the girl who was in the Gojack.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Was like, why so sorry? When we talk your Gojack.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
And she got out. It was so cute. She got out.
She stole your star, She stolent Uber she didn't give
it back. She stole my Gojack. She loved you, but
not enough to give you the uber back, which I
have a lot of respect for. She got out and
she was like, I'm coming to your Sydney live show.
So it was very cool. Running into life is in
BALI who are coming to the live shows?

Speaker 1 (25:06):
That is really cool.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And this is your reminder that if you don't have
your live show tickets yet, the shows start in two
weeks now. Our very first show is Adelaide and it's
going to be so much fun. And if you haven't
sent us, you're accidently unfiltered stories. You ask Guncut questions.
If you're coming to a live show, we want real
life content. You can remain anonymous.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
You shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
We would love to get you up on stage and
do it all together. But if you want to remain anonymous,
it's okay. Just come to the shows, get your tickets,
send us your content. At every single show, we've got
different guests coming. And if you've been following along on
Instagram on Life on Cut podcast, you will see that
we've been dropping. We've been bred caraming the guests along.
In Adelaide, we have Emily Weir and also Kelly Finlayson.

(25:47):
Now Emily, you guys might know her from home and away,
But the reason why I wanted and dancing with the stuff, Yeah,
she was like the runner up. She was fucking amazzing
with a salcer, also with her fantastic whipped you with
her tassel.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
She was so so my god, how did I not
think of this as if I'm not making you guys
do a dance off for the live show, fucking brilliant.
I will do the floss because I have forgotten my
sulcinering with Emily, and I will do some sort of
work in the background.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
So the reason why I wanted to get em on
the live show and I was so excited for us
to interview her is because we were doing like press
around dancing with the stars, and we were sitting in
the green room of like the Today Show. Right, and Emily,
she will stay out late, she will party as hard
as the rest of them. But when I say party,
she is completely sober. She doesn't drink, she doesn't do
any drugs.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
She is stone cold, soberrady, one eighty cleany, but not
a Meani. I liked Mark in our next jumper, which
you know, and we've spoken about sobriety quite a bit
on this podcast. We've done episodes on conscious sobriety before.
I was kind of shocked when Emily said, I can't
remember what we were doing.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Maybe it was like at one of the finals for
dancing and I was like running aroun with the bottle
of gin backstage and I was like on a swig
and she and she was very much like, no, I'm sober.
And it still struck me as like a bit of
a oh, like weird, yeah, weird. And I hate that
I had that reaction because I should know better, but
I did have this instant like, oh, you don't drink, Okay,
that's interesting. Anyway, the next day, when we were in

(27:18):
the green room of the day room, we were talking
about it, and Emily she said, you know, I never
would have achieved the things that I've achieved, and I
would never be where I am now in my career
or in my personal life if I hadn't stopped drinking.
And so I am so looking forward to having that conversation,
a broader conversation around that on stage, because I think
Emily is she's so she's honestly the life of the party.

(27:39):
She's so inspirational, and I think her approach to alcohol
is something that's very, very relatable to a lot of us.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
She's also such a breath of fresh air. She's got
so much energy, and she's so chatty and she's so happy.
She's just like one of those people that you love
to be around. So I'm super excited about that. But then,
speaking of inspiration, we also have Kelly Finlayson. You guys
might have heard the episode we did with Kelly a
little while ago. So Kelly is Adelaide based, and she

(28:06):
has been battling bowel cancer which spread to her lungs
stage four for quite a long time. She sort of
found out immediately after she was pregnant. She had it
when she was pregnant. So she's got a little girl,
and we're going to catch up with Kelly and talk
a lot about what that process is like where she's
at now because it was spreading and she was trying
some new alternative treatments. I know you guys loved that

(28:27):
episode so much. She's also the most positive and bright
and bubbly person as well. So Adelaide is gonna be
incredible I'm really looking forward to. Even if you haven't
listened to Kelly's story, you'll get enough of it at
the show. But if you have listened to it, there'll
be plenty of things that are new to follow on
from it as well.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
But yes, go and get your tickets. It's life on
cutpodcast dot com dot a you. There is a ticket
link page on the website and you can get tickets
to all the shows there. But Adelaide, you are our
number one baby, and we are coming for you in
two weeks. All right, it is time for Accidentally Unfiltered
And Britt has been pissing herself for the last twenty
five minutes about this one.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
But sometimes I wonder. Sometimes I find things funny and
I'm like, does anyone else funny? It'sunny? Are my sigo?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Hey, ladies, It's taken me a while to write this
one in it is a memory I'd rather forget. When
I was nineteen or twenty, I went through a weird
phase where my discharge stunk. I must have had BV
or something and just not known it. But I'm talking
really bad.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Obviously.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I was really self conscious and worried about it. As
it has never happened to me before.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
One day I was hanging out with this guy I
was in love with, and he grabbed my phone to
google something and my last search result came up. He
reads it out loud, Why does my vagina discharge stick?
Ha ha? He had a shocked look on his face,
And I tell you, my survival instincts kicked in. I said, oh,

(29:48):
ha ha, very funny, Michael, very funny for googling that Michael,
and acted unfazed as if our mutual friend Michael, who
is known as a jokester, had taken my phone.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
You're a good bat.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I think he believed me and it just got brushed
aside and never discussed again. But I tell you my
fight or flight kicked in.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Good lie, that's a solid like.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Michael the joke Stop. No, it is not Michael, the
jokes that took my phone and googled why does my
life for trying to dischouge stick? As a side note,
we got an update. There's a side note. I am
now twenty six and have been with the above mentioned
bloke for four years. We own properties together and live together,
and my discharge no longer stinks. My unsolicited advice to
listeners go to the doctors and delete your search history.

(30:32):
Happy ending, but the trauma lives on. Wow, but I reckon,
there'd be so many stories about when something when you've
googled someone and then you open your phone in that
person sees it. I feel like it happened to me
a couple of weeks ago. Actually, I just got a flashback.
I'll have to sit on that and think who it was.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I was at work. This is many, many many years
ago when I used to work an office and I
remember one of my colleagues opened something on his phone
and he'd been watching porn.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Just came as, I reckon, that's really common.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I reckon, that's really good. All so can I also
want to say getting BV is also common. Fucking everyone
has a stint of it at some point in their life.
Just go and get some antibiotics.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, but I think the moral of the story is
here is that like, if you get it, fine, but.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Go to the doctor.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
But the problem is is because nobody ever talks about it.
No one's ever like I've got back to gagonosis.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
When I was in my early twenties, I hadn't ever
had it. Oh fuck. It was the worst. I was like, what.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Vagina sty dead? And my boyfriend at the time was
a doctor and he was like, you have BV. And
now it turns out there's been research that's come out
that it's from them actually catch it from guys and
he was cheating on me. So you know what, that
doesn't checks out. That is some but yeah, so just
like go and get yourself checked because it's like, it's
not normal to smell that bad, and it's also shouldn't

(31:46):
be embarrassing, and it's so easy to treat, but it's
also so easy to ignore. I have one which I
think is cute, and it's the podcast related. I was
listening to your episode from quite a while ago where
you were talking about squirting on the way to school
pickup in the car. When I got and I started
walking through the school, I went to open my phone
and somehow managed to hit play on the podcast, and
it was right when Laura said, very loudly, well, it

(32:08):
really depends on how much liquid and what can be
defined as squirting, And it came out so loud through
my speaker right in the middle of the school pickup
when all of the parents were standing there waiting for
their small children. I fumbled with my phone, trying to
turn the volume down, but instead I hit the emergency
call on the home screen. I panicked turned my phone off.
Everyone was looking at me, and everybody heard that I

(32:29):
was listening to a podcast about squirting.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
To be fair, that was probably listening to Yeah if
their mums, I hope, so yeah? And is there not
you tell them about it?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Life one God, you live your best squirting life. Do
nothing to be ashamed of BV and a squirter. That
is so funny.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
What a way to round that episode out. Okay, well
should we talk about what the episode is about? Look yet?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
No? Now we shouldn't. We should have just ended here.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
No, look today, I'm really excited to bring you this episode.
And the reason I say excited is because this story
is a friend of mine, a friend I went to
school with, and she has a truly incredible story, and
she's so passionate and happy and vibrant and positive that
I just feel like I wanted the world to know
her story. So her name is Alison Wilcox. Alison and

(33:13):
her sister, Sally, are three years apart. Alison went to
school with my sister Sherry in the same year, and
I was in Sally's year, so like we all have
known each other a very long time. When Allison was
only eighteen years old, she was in a really bad
car accident where she nearly died and she was left
as a paraplegic. She has since over the years had

(33:37):
upwards of one hundred operations, all from these secondary conditions
from the accident. Like it's not like she how the
accident was done. She's just spent her whole life literally
since that day in hospital, six months at a time.
And her sister Sally, who I went to school with,
has just been like a savior for her. They're best friends,
they call each other's soulmates. Then they've really looked after

(33:57):
each other. I recently thought again about Ali's story because
I saw her on the project talking about this bucket
list that she's ticking off. She's decided to go and
travel the world tick a bucket list off because she
doesn't know how long she has to live. When the
time comes, she has decided to do voluntary euthanasia. So
she has decided that she will be in charge of
when her life ends, as opposed to letting her injuries

(34:20):
and her body decide whether you know someone or you
don't hearing somebody that's your age go through that, and
she was so happy and positive when she was talking
about it, and I just thought, I just want to
tell your story, like, let the world know how amazing
you are for me.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I mean, I loved speaking to Ali, and I think,
you know, you nailed it so well Britain saying that
she's so positive, which I think for a lot of people,
you think, how could you be so positive when you're
faced with such adversity. But Ali is the type of
person that I think she deals with tragedy with dark humor,
Like it's that whole anecdote of like if you don't laugh,
you cry. But I think one of the parts of

(34:54):
this conversation that's so interesting is Allie's speaking about euthanasia
and what she considers and wants to do with her
end of life, because it is such a complex topic,
and she's speaking about it from her own personal experiences,
but also touching on how that affects her family and
her parents and her sister. It's a really beautiful chat
and I think her story is just profoundly incredible.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Allie welcome to life on cut and I appreciate it. Well, Allie.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
It's always good to start at the bottom and then
work our way back up from there. We do a
thing at the start of every interview. It is called
an accidentally unfiltered story, your most embarrassing story, and I
hear you have a good one.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I'll get you to choose which one my first period
or a nude story.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
My first period, or we go both, but I reckon
go a nude story.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Okay, all right, I'm like, I don't know all my
male friends will listen to this. Within the first weeks
of being home from the hospital after my accident, all
my friends were around Port McCrorie and we used to
party a lot. So we hired a townhouse that was
up the road from my house, the two story townhouse.
So we're having a party there and I found out

(36:02):
they had a spa, which was just a hot spa,
so I was like, I need to get in there
would be good for my body. And I was dating
this Mexican guy at the time, and it was a
huge language barrier between us, and all he could say
was mummy and all I said was puppy.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
So we didn't really think, well, that was a great
connection you guys had.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, exactly, like this is good. So we went in
the spa, him and I and we pretty much skinny
dipped in the spa and I got out of the spar.
He lifted me out. He was great, Like all the
guys I've dated since my accident, they've just been really
carrying a kind so he would lifted me everywhere. So
he lifted me out of the spa. And when I
got out of the spar I realized I didn't know
how to dress myself. So I was so new to

(36:42):
my accident, and my mum would dress me for about
two three years, and I was like, fucka, how am
I going to put my money so on? How I'm
going to put my bra on?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I slipped my boobchoop dress over and then we went
back to the townhouse and he piggybacked me up to
the second floor and we sat on the veranda and
I was in my wheel and I don't know if
it was the wine or if it was dark, but
I started to roll and I didn't realize that there
was no railing on the brander. Oh my god, I

(37:11):
fell three meters off the veranda onto the concrete on
the ground. I rolled out into the road. As soon
as I hit the ground, my boob tube went up
and down and went around my stomach.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Alie, this is messed up.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Only people in this house party Allie and he was
at the top and he was screaming, mummy, mommy, and
I was like, good, my puppy helped me. We were
screaming so loudly that everyone in this house came out
and they were just saw me laying slats.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
On the ground nude. And I couldn't sit up or
do anything at that time. So my best friend raced
out and like lifted me into my wheelchair and I
was like, oh Holly, that's the worst.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
We can't love it, Ellie. This isn't a news story.
That's fux. That's the trauma. You were fell up a
bony onto the road.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I was laying on the ground. I was like, if
I ever become unemployed, I could be a leveler for
a builder. Gildish to pay me to go into the
houses and tell the wind the floor's not level.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Because you'll roll off.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah. After that, I was like, I need to date
someone where there's no language barrier.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I think the best part of this is laying on
the ground naked screaming mummy Poppy. That is incredible. It
is incredible. But now I need to hear the period
story because if it's almost as good as that one,
I don't know if you can top it.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
So I was a bitch to my mum when I
was fifteen. I got my period when I was pretty late,
so he's just surf a lot. So the first day
I got my period was after school, was like three pm,
and Mom was like, do you want me to help
you with anything? And I was like pretty much like
fuck off, leave me alone. So I put a tampon
in and then I went out to it and I
was like, drive me to the beach. You want to

(38:52):
go for a surf. So she drove me to the
beach and my boyfriend at the time was out Bodybody,
and I was like, cool, here's here, it would be
nice to see him. I feel like crap. So I
went out and I just caught away, stood up and
I felt something dropped between my legs and I just
looked down and there was the most inflated tample like

(39:15):
it looked like a marshmallow. Speaking on my surfboard. He
looked at me, he looked at that. He caught a
wave in never said anything too. And then I got
in the car to my mom and I explained to
what happened. She was like, how did that happen? And
I was like, well, aren't you just supposed to put
a tampon like in between your lips like a song.
You was like, no, you're supposed to put it.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Up like a hot dog dog, like a hot dog.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Literally, it was like a hot dog.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
It was just awful. And then I was like, I
should probably be nicer to my mom. She was like
offering to help me, and I was like, it's off.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
But it's also crazy that at fifteen, through your friends,
all through school or some signed a chat, you haven't
been taught how to put a tamp on.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
It on one And you're like, I feel like my
parents should have told me this at some point prior
tending to put a tampont in, But also like, how
did at no point of sex education or like schooling,
was there not a class where someone said, here is
a pad and this is a tampon. Just so that
we know that there's some consistency to the education that's
going out.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
And the more you actually picture and think about, like
pulling the lips apart and just horizontally putting tap And
it was so easy.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And everyone was saying how hard it was to put
them in when you first got your parents, and I
was like, oh, that was too busy.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
She's like, what's everyone talking?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
And that didn't raise any red flags.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
It must be loose or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh my god, that's so important. I mean, that's a
really important part of this story. So before your accident
at Tampon at eighteen, No, before at eighteen, you were
super active. You were an amazing I remember, like, you're
an amazing surfer. You served every single day. So tell
us a little bit about your life before the accident.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
So I was very lucky growing up, Mum and dad
living at home. They were both chef they both became
nurses when I was about twelve. It's a very caring environment.
I have an older sister who's four years older than me,
and we were both really active. I got into a
few sports when I was young, but nothing beat surfing.
So when I was about ten, I got into surfing

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competitively and I did it every day, and I've got
really good friendships from that. My house was across the
road from the beach, so I letter you could just
walk across the road every day and go for a surf.
And back then I could be at the beach from ten.
My parents would just let me go do whatever. In
Port we grew up in a really nice town, really
good community, so everyone was outside being active. Yeah, so

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I had a really good childhood.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Alie, how old were you when the accident happened.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I was six weeks after my eighteenth birthday.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Can you talk us through what happened that day, like,
what was the sequence of events.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, I was going on my first road trip with
friends out to Narrowbright. We're going to the races. So
we left on Friday and we're coming home on Sunday.
So we went to the races on the Saturday, and
then we left early on the Sunday to get home
for work and stuff on Monday. And Narraw Brays through
Welcome Mountain Ranges. So it's about a five hour drive

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west from Port McCrary.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
And they're really windy mountains, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, really windy and steep, and it's not trees and
stuff on them. It's just like cliffs. That drop off
started raining just a little bit, and then everyone was exhausted.
In the car. I was in the front seat, My
best friend was in the backseat, she's still my best
friend to this day. And then the driver she was
texting and driving. And back then I didn't think much

(42:32):
of it. I was eighteen. I didn't think that was
bad or anything. But she looked down at a text
message and then overcrackt to the car. And then we
rolled fourteen times off the mountain cliff embankment. And we're
still pretty far away from Port McCrary, like two hours,
so it was pretty rural area. So it took three

(42:54):
hours for an ambulance to come. But yeah, we rolled
fourteen times down the mountain.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And so what happened the bottom of the mountain. Had
you knocked yourself unconscious on the way down or were
you conscious the whole time?

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, so on the third roll, I got knocked out.
Oh my god. That I was thinking, Oh, this doesn't
happen to my friends or family, will be fine, or
just be being on the car, and I just envisioned
us getting out and seeing a small ding on the
front and being in trouble for crashing. So that's all
I thought, we were crashing that when we got to
the bottom, I became conscious and I couldn't breathe, and

(43:29):
I knew then that something was seriously wrong. I never
knew exactly how wrong, but when I couldn't breathe, I
was like, this is not good. Tim climbed over me
to get out of the car, and she kept saying
to me, come on, Ali, get out, get out, get out,
because there was fuel everywhere. I could feel fuel burning me.

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So she was screaming at me to get out, and
I couldn't even talk because I couldn't breathe. But I
was saying I can't move, I can't move, help me.
And then she ended up tearing all the cords in Hello,
So technically she shouldn't be able to walk. It's one
of those stories you hear with adrenaline. But she got
me out, gave me CPR, got me awake, so I

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kept going in and out of consciousness, stop breathing. So
she got me out of the car and then climbed
to the top of the mountain and screamed for help.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
And she did that with two torn quad muscles, which,
like you just said, physiologically, that should mean you are
not walking around, Like this is what he's connecting your
need to your hip. You should not be walking. But
she managed to climb a mountain and find help.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Wow, what happened to the driver?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
She was fine, She didn't get any serious injuries. I
think she was shocked. She just seemed really shocked at
the accident. I don't remember much of her. I think
they sat her away, but I remember Kim sitting next
to me when I was waiting for the ambulance, and
I had so much blood in my eyes. I kept
saying to her, you're bleeding, You're bleeding, but it was

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coming out of my brain through my eyes.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh my god, God. And why you said that? You
felt like, I mean, you couldn't breathe. What was happening
to your lungs at the time.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
So I broke all my ribs and they went through
my lungs. So I was slowly drowning in my own blood.
Oh my god, Elie, So I had like a leader
of blood in my lungs.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Were you in pain at that time or do you
sort of go past the pain threshold? Because you hear
sometimes people in these intense situations, they don't actually have
any comprehension of how bad it is.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I could feel the pain. That's what kept bringing me
out of my life. When I was unconscious. It kept
bringing me out, and the police officer didn't know what
to do with me because I would stop breathing. He
kept sitting me up, and every time I sat me up,
I felt my neck collapsed. Oh my god, I could
feel just pain all over my body. But he didn't
know what to do. He was the new police officer.

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He was the first one on the scene with all
emergency services, so I think he freaked out a bit.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
And so what happened when the emergency services arrived? What
did they do to you? How did they treat you?
And then how did you get out of there?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
So the ambulance came. I think as soon as they
saw me, they were like, yeah, we can't take you
to Port Base.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
God no, Port McCrory Base Hospital. If everyone is like
ports of retirement towns. I mean, I worked at that
hospital for ten years. It's equipped for low key emergencies,
but not something like this.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So they came and then as soon as they saw me.
They were like, we need to call a helicopter. So
the helicopter came from Newcastle. Their ambulance gave me a
green whistle and they had to lift me up the
hill and I was having the best time of life,
Like as soon as they came that kareema, so I
was like, this is great. Then it took about three
hours to get there from the ambulance, I think, and

(46:49):
I had a really lovely helicopter driver. I'm matty sure.
It was like a pasta. And then I had a
paramedic and they took me to roll not sure they
were supposed to stop at John Hunter, but their paramedic
said I would die if they stopped there because they
weren't equipped to do with me because it was that bad.
But usually you get trey yards to John Hunter. So

(47:11):
I was that bad that they just skipped that and
they ended up getting reprimanded for that. And like, I'm
pretty sure the paramedic loss is on in four days
or something.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I heard you speak about this. And the paramedic who
was flying the helicopter he made the decision that he
was like the Newcastle hospital is just not equipped enough
and he without the approval and against their wishes, he
took you to another better equipped hospital.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I remember them arguing. So it put me into like
an induced coma in the helicopter, but my pain kept
waken me out of that. And I remember a nurse
trying to get me off at John Hunter because that's
a refiel petrol there, and he was just like, no,
remember taking arguing about it.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I mean, it's such an incredible and also a huge
risk that he took in order to do that. I mean,
it's probably what saved your life, but also that's such
a personal risk for his own career, and also you know,
who knows what could have happened between that flight from
Newcastle to Sydney.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Exactly something happened. He had been so much trouble.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Allison, what's your relationship like now with your friend who
was driving the car? I asked this because you know,
at seventeen eighteen, like we all did stupid things when
we were driving, whether it be texting or driving too
fast or just not paying attention because we all think
are invincible. Have you got a relationship with that friend? Still?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
No, we don't talk anymore. I think at eighteen we
both didn't understand the consequences of what happened. Yeah, so
I didn't realize what my journey was and she didn't
realize what her journey would be, So she lost a license.
But I think our parents made the decision to cut

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contact for the both of us because I think for
her to see me in a wheelchair every day would
have been a lot for her. And then also the
first five years after spinal injury, you go through so
much mental health issues. So yeah, I think my parents
made this decision for us. We spoke a couple of times,
and she apologized, and she was really upset about her

(49:12):
It must be I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I can't imagine. I can't put myself in that position,
but it must be hard for you to hear that
a part of the reason you're not friends is because
she couldn't bear to look at you, like she couldn't
bear the grief.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
There must be a part of you that's like, how
the fuck do you think I.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Feel like I'm the one that's now in a wheelchair, Like,
suck it up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, there was a few things I wanted to do.
I was like, when I get home, I'll take her
up for lunch and I'll go to a place to stairs,
oh and just not be able to get in. And
I was like, okay, no, that's awful for both of us. Yeah. Yeah.
So at eighteen, like now, I don't have any anger

(49:54):
or I don't feel any emotions at all because I
know it wasn't out of maliciousness. And I see people
texting all the time. My friends still text and drive
and it's just that common, and I know it's such
a little mistake.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
It must infuriate you though, when it's your friends and
you're like, this is why I'm like I am now.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, yeah, can you talk us through? What were the
injuries that were sustained?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
I got fucked up. Yeah, so I broke nine vertebra
in my back from C three to T six. The
biggest one was a burst fracture at T four which
caused the spinal cord injury. So they set out a
complete spina cord injury, so that means my spinal cord
was fully squished. There's no blood in that section. And

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then I broke my collarbone my right hand. I popped
something behind my eye with it, That's why there was
so much blood. I broke my jaw. I lost a
lot of my tea broke on my ribs, punction lungs.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Was your brain okay? Like could you imagine that you'd
have a bleed on the brain or something, because it
sounds like.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, Well, when the car rolled, the car collapse dawned
to me. And for the first few months they thought
I had a brain injury because they kept coming in
and doing all the tests, but I was on a
lot of drugs. So then they ended up doing the
test six months after and it came back normal. But
then I think to myself the amount of times had
been under anesthetic and medications, like, there's got to be something,

(51:21):
yeah there.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, what did your recovery process look like? So when
you went into rehab and then for how long were
you in hospital? Like not just your recovery process, but
like how your family were able to support you through that,
Like what was that period like post the accident?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
So that was really difficult for my family. My best
friend Kim called Dad the night of the outset. The
cops didn't, she did, and he packed me one day's
worth of clothes because he thought he would be me
back the next day. So just no, and they drove
down at nine pm. We crashed at six pm. They
left sports at like nine or ten pm and got

(51:58):
there like three am, and I just remember looking at
my mom. I was on a ventilator by that point.
I remember looking at my mum as she walked through
the door and she just collapsed onto the ground and
she couldn't look at me, so she didn't come into
the room because I just looked awful, had blood. They
couldn't clean the blood off me for months because they
couldn't roll me or move me. And then Dad, he

(52:19):
was really proactive and like logistical about it, so he
came in and just started organizing everything. My sister flee
down the next day. We ended up spending a year
in hospital. I spent six months in acute spun Award
and then six months at Royal Rehab in Sydney.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Did you realize how bad it was before this moment
or when your mom walked in and she couldn't be
in the room or look at you. Was that a
moment where you were like, fuck, this must be worse
than I thought.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Well, you don't really understand unless you work in the
medical field. That's spinal God in dreamings forever, So I
was like, oh, yeah, I'll just do rehab and it'll
be fine. Yeah. So I never really understood any of
it until six months in when I wasn't getting better,
and like I had so many secondary complications from spinal
cording injury that I realized I was going to be

(53:12):
sick forever. So it wasn't until then I just thought
I'd be doing rehab like a broken leg.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah. How many surgeries have you now had as part
of your recovery process?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Probably over one hundred. So every year I lose function
in mums, and that due to spinal fluid that gets
caught on the scar tissue. It's got a SEARINGX that's
really Red's like three percent of people I could just
get it. So every I've become a quatriplated for a
few months and then they drain the fluid and that

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surgery is fifteen hours long.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
So just to be clear on that for those that
are listening. So Allison's situation is that she can't use
her legs and she's in a wheelchair. But because of
this condition, for a few months, you become a quad
you can't use your arms or anything. They drain it
and you get the use of your arms again. Correct, Yeah,
and then that is changing now in the future, they
can't do those operations anymore, is.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
That right, Yes, So each time that surgery happens, I
lose a bit more function, and each time they do it,
I get more and more complications from the surgery. So
last year I was in hospital for six months. They
did the surgery, but they couldn't close my back because
it just won't close anymore. So I had a giant
hole in my back for six months, and then I

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had a holy my spinal cord, so all my brain
fluid was leaking out, so my brain was sitting in
my neck for six months. And then your brain fluid
kills muscles when it touches it. So my trap in
my back dyed. All my muscles in my back died,
so they had to do like a full reconstructor surgery
on my back. That was six months in hospital laying

(54:53):
flat with a massive migrain and you could feel my
brain in my neck. That would happen again, except I
will end up passing away from it, probably get many
giitis or an infection after the six months, and they'll
just never be able to close back.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
So from the next time that that happens, That's what
they say, the next operation.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
So they put a shunt in every year, but because
I'm so active, it's just a really complicated secondary complicated,
like there's only one surgeon that can operate on it
in the world.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
They put a shunt in and then it slides out
or it breaks, so they have to put a new
shunt in. So when the next shunk fails, I'll just
lose function in my arms and then my brain.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Do you know what that looks like in terms of
time frame?

Speaker 3 (55:39):
So I usually could only get a year between surgeries.
The most I've had is like two years back. But
leave it and go and operate. I'll probably get like
three or four years. But once the shunk comes out,
it could either be a slow decline or a pasticline,
but it'll be very painful.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
And is that what you've decided you do? Have you
decided to do an operation again when it happens or
to not do no?

Speaker 3 (56:05):
So the doctor said they don't want to approad, so
they were there one to make the call as they
said it to me and just standing at the end
of the bed and Brad was sitting next to me
in Sally and they just looked horrified, But in my
brain I was like, thank god someone said it. I
would have felt like I failed if it was me
making the decision, but they made it for me. So

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I was like, finally I can be at peace and
not do medical stuff all the time.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Like you were almost relieved, and Brad is your partner,
You almost relieved that they were saying, don't choose. We're
telling you we can't operate anymore.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, and I could find some cowboy neurosurgeon that would
do it, but it would just go terribly. So the
best neurosurgeon for this in the world said no more. So. Yeah,
it was like a weight lifted off my shoulders.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Alison, how do you how do you even begin to
compartmentalize this? Going from being eighteen looking forward to having
all of you know, whatever the plans were for life
ahead of you, to then being given this diagnosis that
seems to just be compounding as the years go on.
How do you manage to maintain even a glimmer of positivity?

(57:18):
And I know that you are very stoic about this,
and you seem to have still so many things that
you're looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Yeah, so the first five years was really difficult. I
spent four years in hospital and I just like I
had a million things go wrong. I've had my bower move,
I've had a million blooder surgeries, like just a lot
of stuff do with a lot of chronic pain. So
as soon as I'm feeling well, I don't know what
it is, I just feel happy. Yeah, So the days

(57:46):
I'm feeling good, I have anxiety or depression. I don't
know why. I think it's like a coping like I
want to use the day I feel well. So yeah,
I'm not sure, and I always have something to look
forward to, and my support system's really huge.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Well, speaking of your support system, I mean, we'll come
back to what your future looks like and your plans,
because your plans sound amazing. But let's go back to Brad,
your partner. How long have you been with Brad and
how did you guys meet because we love a love
story here.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
So Brad was actually captain with Sherry at school. Yes, yeah,
and he was dating one of my best friends at
the time. He dated her for eight years and we
remained friends, been friends since we were twelve. We started
hanging out a lots about four years ago and I
got into jet skiing and he was like, oh, I

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could make your hoist to get on the JETSKO went
home to sell and I was like, this dude can
make me shit. Knew we how to make me the
caller stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I need to keep him around.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
He was like, yeah, she's like you should date him.
And then my aunt and my sister for like six months,
every day we're like, you need to date Brad. You
need to break Brade, and then yeah, I asked him
on a day and he said he's been waiting for that.
So it was really sweet.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I mean, what was it like for you when you
started dating again after having an accident. I would assume
that a lot of people might feel a bit insecure
or a bit worried about, you know, the complications that
come from even just the mobility side of things. Were
you ever worried or were you just like, let's do
this brand.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
As soon as they told me I couldn't walk again,
I called one of my friends and I said, do
you think I'll be able to do Doggie?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Probably if you just lay on your tummy right.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, I need to try.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
So I love that that was your first thought ali luck.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah, I think my wheelchair is a good deterrent to
fuck boys too.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
So every man I've dated up to my accident has
been the most caring human you could find. So I've
been quite lucky. But yeah, the first year, I just
went a bit wild. I was a bit worried I
wasn't gonna be attractive anymore, and I was like really insecure.
But as soon as I got home, guys that I
was with before, like, we're asking me on dates and stuff,

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So it was fine and I can still do doggie
so well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I mean that's a question that I think a lot
of people the dog you one not yeah, the doggie.
But the question a lot of people probably wonder with
somebody in your situation is like, I'm not sure exactly
where your feeling stops.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Is it from your waist down?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I have all feeling. So my injury actually is in
complete and it took me years to work it out.
But yeah, I lost my wheelchair virginity. When I was
still in hospital, I had a neck race on and
my hands in casts, and someone you and I both
know signed me out of hospital for the night and
we went to a hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
You need to tell me this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Thow me around on il Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
So someone we know came in, kidnapped you from the hospitals, signed,
fucked your brains out, put you back in the wheelchair,
willed you back. Yeah, that is that one of got
to be one of the best. Can't tell me this
is going to be the greed. I can't wait to
tell Sherry.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yeah. I'm like it was so good. The doctor's like,
what are you doing? Where are you going? I was like, oh,
I've just got to go shopping and thatics never came
back for the night. And then my doctor grounded me.
She's like, you're not llowed out again. I know what
you're up to, bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Let me go and do my things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I know what you're up to. You're like, yeah, I'm
being an eighteen year old, That's what I'm up to.
I love this because I think that often this, I mean,
we've spoken to many people in the past who have
been through disabilities and coming into disability from being fully
able bodied, and there is this like feeling of insecurity
or this feeling of like, how am I going to
date again? How am I going to love again? Like

(01:01:55):
and I think there has been many beautiful stories about
how people have overcome that. But but I love that
for you that that wasn't a barrier. And I think
that that's an amazing message because I think we get
fed this idea that it should be a barrier, and
I think a lot of it does come down to
your own perspective and your own feelings around yourself and
how how you perceive yourself rather than how other people

(01:02:18):
perceive you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
It hasn't slowed Alley Down's just fucking in the hospital.
I love.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
What's us chatting about this peladay with one of my friends.
And I don't think it's disability that dops you. I
think people that were insecure before it just heightens everything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yeah, and you were this confident, vibrant, active person and
nothing changed, Like you still do all the things you do.
You're still dating, you're still fucking, you're still surfing, you're
still traveling the world. Like your personality persona hasn't changed.
It's just made it a bit harder.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Well, I mean, do you feel like it's psychologically changed
anything for you? I mean, obviously it's changed loads of
things for you physically, but from like a psychological perspective.
Do you think it's had an impact on your personality
at all?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I was a brat before, and I am so much
more grateful soon as had my accident. I was best
friends with my parents and we had a really great relationship.
They passed away. Mom passed away when I was twenty
one and dad passed away four years ago. But from
eighteen until then we had a really great relationship. So

(01:03:26):
I think it's made me more grateful for things. Yeah,
and I don't get angry anymore. I think it's like
helped that a lot. I'm just really calm in all situations,
so most small things, trivial things, they're not issues to
me anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
What was that time, like, your family obviously looked after
you a lot, Sally and both of your parents, and
then your mom passed away. Is I think it was
only three or four years after the accident, Is that right? Yeah?
What was that like to have two out of three
of the people that literally looked after you pass away.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I think it was way bigger if I didn't have
my accident. Mum was my best friend for the first
four years. It was very lonely because I was that sick,
being in hospital all the time. All my friends still,
the world kept turning, but mums didn't. Hers stopped with me,
So it was very lonely after she passed, and I

(01:04:23):
had a sense of guilt after because you could just
see their stress that she was under. You could just
see as soon as I had my accident, she wasn't
the same person and it was a lot for them
to see me sick all the time. Yeah, so it
was really difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I'm so sorry you went through that, Alley. I think, Yeah,
I mean when I was listening to your story and
I think when you're a mom, my first thought was like,
I can't imagine what that would be like as a
mum to have to see their child suffering so much
and all you want to do is take the pain away.
And I'm so sorry that you had to go through
that with your family. But also it's truly beautiful that

(01:05:04):
it's something that brought you and your mum closer together
and that you were able to have that friendship with her.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah, I'm very lucky. I have a very good family.
Sally and I are inseparable. We can't go a day
without seeing each other or talking, so it's brought us
closer too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
And do you guys live together now or what you're
set up?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I'm going to sound like a freak. I lived in
her garage for a bit, try to save money to travel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Hang on, she know you were in the garage or
did you just like wheel in there and park and
you're like I'm done?

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
You like, yeah, try to kick me out. No, I
moved across the road and we both decided that was
too far away.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Oh that's back into the house.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
And Brad keeps saying it's like everybody loves Raymond, and
I'm like, it's the best thing ever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I actually love that and seeing your bond because I
try and put myself in that situation and I would
have done exactly the same thing as Sale has done.
And I love seeing how close you are and how
much you both mean to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Just Brad live with you now as well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Yeah, so let's talk about what life is going to
look like now. So you have been told that you
possibly have a few years left, which I cannot imagine,
but it seems like you've taken that in your stride
and you've made some really big life decisions on what
you're going to do for the future. What have you
decided to do with your remaining time?

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I am going to blow all my money, so he
sold I have, and I'm going to just travel for
the next two to three years. I fought my insurance
and got Brad paid as a carer. So now I'll
be able to go to any country I want and
he'll be able to care for me. So moving to

(01:06:42):
the USA for six months and then down to Mexico
three a few months, then to Canada. I want to
learn how to ski or snowboard, and they're going to
ship over my mountain bike to Whistler and then we're
going to go to Europe for a year or two years,
and I want to see everywhere the world. Where people
always ask me what's on your list? I'm like everything, Well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Think I said to you, what's on your bucket list?
There's like three hundred things. Yeah, and have you written
it all down?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Like, have you written down like an itemized bucket list
of the things that you want to do together?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
So I have like Morocco, Turkey, Croatia. It's mainly places
over experiences like I don't want to go skydiving and
stuff like that. I just want to explore the world.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
What impact does it have on your relationship with Brad
when you are so aware of your own mortality? And
I say this because you know, most of us have
no idea how much time we have with our partners,
whereas you have a much greater understanding of what and
how many years you have left. How does that affect
the two of you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
He's caused me morbid all the time because I make
jokes about it. We talk about youth and asia a lot.
I'm usually just joking about it. So he gets really upset.
The first six months after my surgeries last year, I
couldn't really bring it up without any getting up with sir.
But all of this happens because he never saw me
go through something so big. So I've only been dating

(01:08:07):
for two to three years and he wasn't that close.
You have to be family to really understand the impact
six months of hospital has. So after all that happened,
he was like, I understand why you are the way
you are because I can't sit still. I want to
do a million things. When I'm well, I just travel
three months the year. So it's like, okay, finally understand

(01:08:28):
that and he's on board with it. The start of
my surgeries last year, he said, for e very week
you're in here, we can go away for a month.
And he thought I'd only been there for two weeks,
and then I was in there for six months and
I'm like, well, you better keep this because you've promised it. So, yeah,
he's really on board with all of my plans Now.
Before he was on board and supportive, but he was

(01:08:51):
a workaholic. Now he's not a workaholic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Your priority shift.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah, do you feel like you guys don't fight or
argue or sweat the small stuff because of that, because
you know you've got this limited time that you're like,
why we like, let's not waste our breath.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah, he's like the loveliest person and so supportive. We
never fight. We're just happy to be hanging out together.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
You spoke about then and said you made jokes about euthanasia,
But I did listen to you talk about how your
dad actually signed some sort of documentation around euthanasia. Can
you talk me through what that was and what that
looked like for you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
So around year three, after my accident, my stomach stopped working,
so I hir like a nasal tube and they're like
we need to remove your whole stomach. And I was
so unwell, like to the points like nausey is the worst.
I just felt like I had a hangover without the
party book. Yeah, so it was pretty shit. So my

(01:09:47):
mum spoke about euthanasia a lot, and he signed me
up to Belgium and we actually had a date sets
And then Sally didn't know about it, but she saw
it on dad's computer and she ended up throwing computer
across the room and she was like, this is ridiculous.
So that was It was really difficult at that time
because I hadn't lived yet where now I feel like

(01:10:10):
I've been able to do everything I wanted. But then
I just I was like twenty one at the time,
and I was so unwell.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
I can't imagine what that was like for both of you,
but even a father, I can't imagine for your dad
to say, like to be brave enough to say I
love you enough that I will help you sign up
to let you go. I can't imagine and you coming
to terms with like I'm so tired and done with
this that I want to pass away. But I can't
imagine what your dad was going through that time, and
I also get I can sort of understand Sally's reaction

(01:10:40):
by being really selfish and being like, I don't want
to let you go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Yeah, I think my parents were just as worn down
as me by that point. And yeah, now that I
have a niece who I love so much, like she's
my favorite person in the world. Don't tell Sally, but
she'll probably with her. Yeah, I don't know how i'd
react if she was that unwell. I could not let

(01:11:05):
her do euthanasia, but then I couldn't let her live
like that. It would be the hardest.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Was it Sally's reaction that stopped you from going? Hey,
you said you had a date booked. Was it her
reaction that made you reconsider?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
No. There was this doctor in the port base. It
was an odd dude. I went in and I was like, look,
I'm going to kill myself. I can't keep being this sick.
And he was like, a cost to me will change
your life, It will revolutionize your life. And I was like,
I'm twenty one, I'm not getting a colost to me.

(01:11:42):
And I went home for a few weeks and this
is really disgusting. I started vomiting thown pieces so that
happened a lot. Yeah, and remember vomiting that and thinking
maybe this is freaking weird. Doctor's up to something. So
I ended up going down to Sydney. I didn't do
it at Port Based. I did at the spinal unit

(01:12:02):
and had my stomach removed and the next day I
felt fine. Wow, like it was just overnight, even after
a massive surgery. I felt better than I had in
four years by accident.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Is it because where your spinal cord was crushed, it
corresponds to so many different organs? Is that why there's
been this like ongoing complication.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
So my injury is high. I say it's around my
nipple level, but that was my nipple level when I
was eighteen, so it's a bit higher than it is now.
So it's above all your stomach, and it's also above
your autonomic nervous system. So my heart and blood pressure
is controlled lower than that level. So if I get constipated,

(01:12:49):
I can have a stroke. So that was one of
the things that it was like, you'll have a stroke
or you need a cost.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
To me, how do you feel about euthanasia? Now? I
know you said you had a date when you were younger,
but now that you know that there is a time
limit and you are going to deteriorate, and you can
tell us about some of the things that they did
say is going to happen to you. How do you
feel about euthanasia? Is it something you will relook at.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Yeah, so, my psych and I talk about it very often.
I'm okay with it now. I'm not okay with it
right now because I don't feel unwell and I still
have energy to do stuff, and I still have arm function.
But I know that in the next four or five
years it will be a decision that I would have
to make, and my family knows what my decision will be,

(01:13:35):
which will be I'm going to do euthanasia before I
suffer anymore. And yeah, it gets discussed a lot. I
think when you get into the position of even deciding euthanasia,
it's either go through hell and feel awful or that.
So it's a pretty easy decision and it's made for you.

(01:13:57):
Whereas if you're well and you're like, well, if I
died tomorrow, that's really sad, but it's sort of bleaker
either way. After suffering for so long the first five years,
I wouldn't want to do that again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
How does your sister Sally respond to that conversation now
when you talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Well, she's got to keep me as a vegetable in
her house. So hallie, I've made deals with my best
friends to try and break in and turn off my
life support. But yeah, she doesn't want it to happen,
and she'd be fine with it. She sees me stuffer

(01:14:35):
every day. I have really bad chronic pain to the
point like it's really debilitating, and she sees that every day.
So when it gets that point, should be fine. But yeah,
she would like to keep me in her house.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
What does it look like for euthanasia? And I asked
this because it's such a hot debate and I've heard
so many people talk about it. So many countries don't
allow voluntary euthanasia and some do. The ones that do
have this crazy prerequis it where you've you've got to
go through these psych tests and be of like a
stable state of mind to do it. Have you looked
into that enough now that you know how that would
look for you where you'd have to go? Can you

(01:15:09):
do that at home here in Australia?

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
No, you can't. My type of illness wouldn't allow it.
It would only be allowed for terminal cancer. I'm not
sure what the laws are in Queensland at the moment,
but I know Melbourne passed it for terminal cancer like
stage four cancer, so I'd have to do old overseas,
and the place where i'd do that would be Belgium.
They've got very loose euthanatial laws, so I'm not sure

(01:15:35):
if it's like that now, but when we're looking into it,
if you had anxiety or depression, you can get euthanase there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Which is that is I mean that is crazy to
me because I feel like that is something that you
can come out of, whereas your condition is different. You've
been scientifically medically given a deterioration, Whereas it's pretty crazy
to think you can go in and say I don't
feel great today.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
There was one story I read in a Facebook group
about it. This lady her mom passed away and the
grief was too bad, so she got euthanized.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
I feel like that is why often it is such
a hugely debated and controversial conversation, because I think it
is such a permanent solution, and if it is a
permanent solution to an impermanent state, then that is why
I think people feel so so strongly about it. But
I think anyone who has seen a family member suffer,

(01:16:28):
anyone who's seen a family member just waiting to pass away,
can understand like that that's not a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Way to proviy it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
It's terrificic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
When I was watching Mum die, the death rattle everything
about that, and it just looks so painful, And when
they've become unresponsive, I'm like, what's the point of watching
them suffer for like a few days a week?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Yeah, And it's also frightening, you know, like you're you're
so sad for your family member, but also like it's petrified. Sorry,
it's really petrified. I you know, I did the same
thing with my grandfather, and you just you're like, what's
the point? It doesn't make sense. And I think that
that they're the instances that really when the debate and
the conversation around euthanasia comes up, that there is an

(01:17:12):
understanding there yea.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
In your head, how do you know when the timing
is going to be right for something like that? Like
what needs to be happening to you and in you
for you to decide, because it's also not I mean,
fuck Allie, I can't even imagine it, like the preparation
that you have to do, like you have to travel
over somewhere to do it, and not like you can
wake up and say today's the day. I feel like
it like this is Yeah, I can't fathom even asking

(01:17:35):
the question. I'm like, how do I even ask you
that question?

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I think once I get to a point where there's
no quality of life, then the decision will be made.
But until then, it'll be on the raid and it'll
be talked about. So I think the final decision when
there's no quality of life, and as you said, you
have to travel overseas for it, so it's going to

(01:18:00):
be such a drawn out process where obviously I'd prefer
to do it here with all my family and friends
around me. But yeah, so the process of just getting
overseas being that unwell, doing all the paperwork, Yes, it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Will be a lot, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
A lot of my family too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yeah, it'll be so much for your family. And I
also think that there must be some sort of comfort
in the fact that this is a conversation that has
been ongoing for a long time, even if that comfort
isn't brought to you know Sally or Brad now, but
knowing that it's not something that you made a decision
lightly on, it's something that you've really been considered about
in terms of how you want to live out your life. Als,

(01:18:40):
what's your number one? You have this beautiful bucket list,
and you have all these places that you're going to visit.
What's the most important thing to you over the next
couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Eight? Great Mexican food.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Honestly, there is no better.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Try not to get typhoid or no.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
The food in Mexico. You'll realize you've never had proper Mexican.
Like the Mexican that we do here is rubbish.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
If they make minced packet Mexican, I'll be really upset.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
How has that Because you've actually traveled a lot, You've
been to a lot of countries. Okay, two questions. What
are some things you wish people would know or like?
What has traveling been like? Is it just ten times
more difficult to do anything? You have to plan so
far ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Oh man, this trip that I've been planning. My insurance
company has been fighting me so much so just to
go overseas. They said they'd cover my medicare and then
last week they said they wouldn't. So going to the US,
you obviously need good medical insurance, but also booking hotels,

(01:19:43):
like you can't book a wheelchair accessible hotel online, you
need to email the hotel bookis don't legally have to
keep your room. So I five book a wheelchair accessible
hotel through them. I could rock up and not have
a roll in shower. So it's truly difficult. I've gotten
really good at like on airbm looking at zooming on
the windows and looking out to see if it's a

(01:20:03):
two story building or a one story building.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
So yeah, it takes like four hours to book one
hotel and then the airlines home. A wheelchair gets broken,
a lot jet starts paid me out twenty grand, so
far from breaking you. And sometimes I'm not even allowed
on the plane because you're only allowed two people disabilities
on the plane at once, so if they accidentally bought three,
you get kicked off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Yeah, it's a lot. When I first had accident, I
got home and I remember having a full mental breakdown
because I realized society wasn't built for me, the world
wasn't built for me, and From that point, I realized
how hard my life would be, but it's worth it,
Like I get a lot of joy and I feel

(01:20:48):
really proud of myself once I planned a really big
trip like this and I'm there and everything's going okay. Also,
you just need to roll with the punches, like sometimes
I can't after a few days because.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Sorry Brad hour.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Yeah, like Brad just carries me in there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
And who pays for Because this is a question I
was clocking in and I've worked in the hospital system.
I don't even know. When you have had fourteen years
of these operations and hundreds of operations, who's paying for them?
Do you have to pay for a certain amount or
does it government?

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
So it goes through the oh comprehensive insurance, So in
New South Wales, instead of getting conversation, go to the
government and then they decide what they'll pay for, so
all of it's covered. But I still probably spend ten
twenty grands just for medical curve, like I have to

(01:21:42):
pay for AMRI the other day, and as you know,
I had like six different places there are aremorrowing in
my back. It's just two thousand dollars. So like it's
all the little things that are. It's such an We're
very lucky in Australia. Oh, Medicare covers a lot. I'm
legally not allowed to get Medicare as it was from
a car accident. So I get a Medicare bill every year.

(01:22:04):
But they're pretty good. If I don't pay it, they sort.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Of let its lie. But it's just it's so incredibly
unfair and it's so discriminatory in itself that people who
are suffering with chronic pain and chronic illness from accidents
or from injury, that they are still out of pocket.
Because often these are people who are now no longer
able to work because of their injuries, and yet they
still have to fork out these insane amounts of money

(01:22:30):
to be able to live a life or to have
better mobility. It is such an unfair system. Even though
it is one of the better ones, it is still
not fair.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Yeah, Alie, what is something that you would want to
leave people? Like, what's a message right now that you
want people to know? It could be an affirmation, a
quote you live by, your biggest life lesson that you've
learned since going through this, Something that people can sit
there right now and will change the way they think
that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Big bish they've actually thought about it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Sally. I was just laughing because Sally always says when
people ask her that ten out of ten fun all
the time, and I'm like, Okay, that's a good one
to live by. No, if you could change something and
you're not happy, change it and do the things you enjoy.
Like if you're not happy with your job, get a
job you enjoy, or study something you really want to study.

(01:23:20):
If you have the opportunity to do so, you should
do it. Don't let your own thoughts stop you. Your
life is your life. You don't have to do what
society thinks. As long as you're not hurting anyone else,
you can do whatever you want in this life.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Alice, when it comes to disability, what do you think
is the biggest misconceptions that people.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Hold that we can't do doggie, that's a wrap that
we're depressed. That would be the biggest one. Everyone always
thinks I should be depressed all the time, but it's
not the case. Sometimes I live a better life than
some of my friends. Why do you think that is
mental health?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I think, yeah, we cannot understaate, like what a resilient
person you are, and how for all the things that
you've been through that you can have the incredible mindset
that you do have. It's been a privilege to have
a chat with you today and for you to share
your story. But also, I don't think anyone should have
to listen to somebody's challenging story to be able to
appreciate the things that they have in their life that

(01:24:18):
are just not so bad. I don't think we should
have to draw those comparisons. No, but we do. But
I think that sometimes people do need that reality check.
And you know, I love that you say that there's
this understanding, all this thought that people who have a
disability are depressed, when it's simply just not the case.
And that's such an ablest view. It's people who take
for granted their own abilities and they think, well, if

(01:24:39):
I was like that, I would be depressed, and that
I think really minimizes the feelings and thoughts of people
who have to deal with disability every day.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Yeah, yeah, Allie, when you're off on your adventure, I
leave in a week today, probably right now I'll be
on my plot. So genuate a motherfuckers?

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Is that what you're saying to people? Because you did
have a I actually, well, I saw you how to
go in away party and you sort of said, like,
I realized there are some people I might not ever
see again.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
I've been cranking a few of my friends, telling them
that I got to delete everyone's numbers and I don't
want to talk to anyone, and they've been really sad
messaging me every day. Be friends, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I am so stoked for you, and I just hope
you have the best couple of years literally that you
can possibly have and enjoy every second. And there's going
to be some fucking tumultuous moments, I'm sure, but it
sounds like you've got a wondful trip plan. Well, you know,
we never finished an episode without our suck and our
sweet the highs and the lows. Lord, do you want
to kick it off with your suck?

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I feel like you're throwing it to me because you
are still.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
I could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
I'm yeah, bring it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Baby, Okay, Okay, Well I've only been back for one day,
so my suck can only be with the last day,
and my suck will be that just that. I'm super jetlagged.
I was up all night. I feel wired. I was
like you know, when you're lay there and you're like sleep, sleep,
you gotta go up before our sleep sleep. And I
was just like, I can't sleep well on the phone
to band on friend Sheridan. So my jet LAG's probably

(01:26:03):
worse than it's ever been. There, suck.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I don't relate to this. I'm like a fucking what's
the right word?

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
You wouldn't?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Can you tell me you're telling the story?

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I an anomaly. I don't really get jet lagged. I've
never experienced like a wide away in somnia jet lag.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
You get on a plane, you barely sat down, and
you're asleep. I've never seen anything like. It doesn't matter
what it is, how it is, what the position is.
You could have five dogs and kids next to you
and you get on and you pass out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, I could be on that plane where there was
the fighting dog and I would sleep the whole time.
I don't if you haven't seen that article, there was
a couple who got sat next to a dog that
farted the entire plane ride, and now they want a refund.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
I could have slept through that. I could sleep through anything.
What's the difference with the dog fighting and humans fighting?
Humans always fight on planes. You don't go and get
a refund and see the guy next to me farted.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
You would ask to move though, wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
I did?

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I have been sat on a plane with the person
in front kept faring anyway? Did I sat in their
fart for six hours? Sat breathing in their fart in
a little air conditioned tin can? So my wait, did
you say to sweet?

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
I'm sweet? My sweet was just geting home to little Delilah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Squidlet Burger, who produced a Keisha took care of for
the week.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Keisha had it for two weeks, and I still he
missed and producer Keisha looks after her like a bloody princess.
But I really missed her. So does that mean that
when she comes back, she's like, I not you again?
Pretty much?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
She has a take me back to Keisha's house.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
She doesn't know who her mum is. Yeah, we know
that Keisha breaks the rules with her. That's why Keisha
lets her do whatever she wants. I put these strict
rules on and Keisha's like she didn't like it, and
I'm like, she's a dot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Keisha's sitting here looking like she's been victimized. But I
did see you walk her without her thinking on at one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Point all the time. And Keisha takes her swimming every day,
so like she loves it. She's like she's on dog vak.
She lives her best life. Anyway, that was my sweet
Do you know what it is? And when you think
about it, Keisha's just the cool auntie. Yeah, she's one
hundred percent. I'm the disciplinarian and she's the Keisha's the
one that lets to do any.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Keisha's the cool drunk art that everyone wants to hang
out with. Okay, my suck for the wig is that Lola.
I am usually Lola's favorite, right that kid. She is
hardwired to me. I am like her soul and my
soul are conjoined. We do everything together. She is going
to attached many issues, but y yes, she is as
attached and she loves me and we are the same.

(01:28:20):
She's still pretty much hanging out of my womb. That's
how attached we are with.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
You, Hernia Herniated. No, with my pro labs. She's hanging
on to my pro lab still. She's trying to get
back in my womb.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
So I came home from this trip seven days, first
trip away from the kids, like decent trip, especially international trip.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
She didn't care.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
As soon as I was out of eyesight, she abandoned
me for Matt. She was like, oh, that parent's gone,
now I need to go to the next one, and
attached to them. She's literally hanging off Matt's uterus, waving
around off his testicles, trying to get back in there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
I think that's okay. She needs some independence.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
That's not independence. She has a new favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
No, but that's normal. And you always go through favors
with parents, especially girls. Favorite are usually the dad that's
like across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I know, and that's why I have held on to
being Lola's favorite for so long. And I know because
it was always the case, right Like Marley had a
transition when she was like two, she became Daddy became
the favorite, and Daddy's been the favorite ever since. But
Lola and I, I am the favorite. And I got
home and even last night when she was in the bar,
she's like, no, Daddy, do it, Daddy, do it? Go away, mummy,
Daddy do it. She didn't want me to put in

(01:29:27):
a bed nothing. Shouldn't you embrace her?

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
No, because you don't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
It makes me feel really sad. It makes me feel
really rejected. I came home and all I wanted. I
even bribed them with lollies and toys and stuff, and
she still was like, Daddy, open it, Daddy, do it.
I was like, you ungrateful little shit. I didn't say that.
I was like, come back to me here. I am
told me like, Daddy's gone away. You've locked him in
the basement.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
It's just mummy home now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Daddy went for a run and I was like, Daddy's
left you, He's gone now. He said he doesn't want
to be Daddy doesn't love you, Laura too far.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
I didn't say that period a. Look, we've spoken about.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
This my sweet for the week, though, is I mean
I just got back from a week in Bali. That
is my sweet for the week. Honestly, sometime that was
the rule.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I didn't know we could go from our sweep from
the last week. Obviously mine was sex with Ben. Yeah,
I would have hoped that that was I thought we
was starting just from yesterday. No, it's from the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Week prior, Like, I don't know, okay, sex Ben, one
day of Sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
And Delilah, sex with Ben and then coming home to
Las not sex with Delilah, sex with Ben Comma space,
and also seeing Dalilah grammar, okay, punctuation.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
All right, Look, my sweet for the week is I
felt really worried about going away and spending so much
time without the girls, And like I said earlier, I
do feel like I have to justify. You know, it
was for work, and it was a work trip and
we worked every single day. But that is what my
sweet was. It was so amazing to have serious quality
time to focus on getting through work for Tony May.

(01:30:56):
And also just like going with my sister, who's my
other business part Like, you know, my sister and I
are both business partners on Tony May and being able
to focus. And when you're a working mum and your
concentration is always split across parenting and working, you often
feel like you're not doing any job well right. You
feel like you're doing a shitty job at your work

(01:31:18):
and a shitty job at parenting and just a shitty job,
and that always leads you feeling a little bit defeated.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
I had a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Week where I actually felt like I did such a
fucking good job at my job for one week, And yeah, sure,
I had kind of like almost completely checked out of
parenting except for a few crazy ass facetimes. But I
think it's really important that as mums and as working mums,
we allow ourselves those opportunities to be able to tap
back into what's important to us alongside parenting, because I
think often dads can do it. I mean, I see

(01:31:46):
my sister's husband goes away on work trips quite a
bit because his job requires it, and I don't think
that we have the same expectations around the guilt that
we feel when it comes to a dad traveling for
work verse when a mum has to do it. Yeah,
I just I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
It was a really amazing What I'm hearing is every
month you need to go away from a week to BALI.
That's that's the message I'm geting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Anyway, guys, that is it from us. We will be
back on Thursday with our Ask Uncut. If you have
any amazing ask Guncut questions, any big, deep, juicy, saucy,
ah sexy dilemmas, we will answer them. Also, just a
little reminder, it is the podcast Awards coming up and
we would love it if you love the podcast to
go and jump into the show notes on today's episode,

(01:32:28):
there'll be a link there you can go and vote
for Life on Cut in the Listener's Choice award. And
we're begging you. No, we're not be cool cool we are.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Because we don't ever get nominated for anything. Yeah, and
we need to got that cuts so deep. I know
that we don't ever get a nomination in our category.
Like we try so hard, we just never get You
gotta laugh right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
No, because it doesn't matter. It's you know, that's all
the bureaucracy and the politics of matters.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
The Li's Choice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Is the only award that fucking matters. And that's why
you're like, guys, if you love the pod, go vote.
We would love you forever. And also, Britt will give
you a puppy. I know you say that every year.
People know I don't give them puppies. It's been four
years you've said we give puppies out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
And for the people who voted four times, eventually they
will receive four puppies. That's gonna be a real handful.
Nothing worse than no one's pupping this dog.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
But also you can vote from multiple emails, So if
you have a university email, if you have an old
school hot mail. Have you voted, ge Laura?

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Yeah, the more emails you vote from, the more puppies
you get.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
And that is from us guys. Yeah nah, but I
will Laura, that vote could be the decider.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
I'll vote now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
And from Tony mate, don't forget to your mum, Doy, Dad, Doe, dog,
two friends and shann love because.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
We love them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
If we lose by one vote, you're fine. What are
you gonna do this podcast with myself? Hey, guys, that's Brett.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Just Keisha's just waiting in the wings.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
She's like he no, Britt and Kisha Okay, bye by baby.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Can A the Company A.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
Thea al Bay, the

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