When the goal posts keep moving - Uncut with Tony Armstrong - Life Uncut

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey guys, and I'll welcome back to another episode of
Life Uncut. I'm Brittany and I'm here today with a
super famous Dancing with the Stars contestant, Laura Bird.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi everybody, Hi, I am a dancer.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Now that's what I do. I dance and night's all
the time.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I dance from the minute I wake up in the morning,
I danced until the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I dance around the office. Thank you so much for
making time. Thank you to coming to the podcast today.
You are so look.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I mean, I did have to stop my very busy
dancing schedule to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, the announcement's out, so this is obviously a Tuesday.
This is dropping. But last Thursday it came to light
that you have not been doing Ninja Warrior, but you
having fact been training very hard for Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
To be fair, there was a part of me that
was a little bit like, oh, Ninja Warrior would be fun.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Nah, you wouldn't last a day. No, I wouldn't even
last the first hurdle.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I wouldn't even make it over the first jump over
the phone pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Have you seen that videos of like seven, three or
four or five year old kids that are running and
doing hurdles, and the video is like, watch this seven
times and look at a different kid every time. And
have you seen it? They start running in they're all
tripping over. That's you.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's what you would be like. No, but now we
need to find that and put it ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'll find it. Everyone's gonna be like what I will find.
It is so funny, and I promise you will watch
this video and repeat a hundred times. Well that's just me.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
But at dancing that was my saying. Oh, I thought
we thought we were saying it Ninja Warrior. No, if
you did Ninja Warrior.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
That would have been you. But I think you're gonna
be really good at dancing with the stuff. No you
die Sean and video snips. You are sexy, little premanded.
I have gotten pretty fit. That's the one thing that
I've gotten out of this.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So we I don't even know what to start so
much dance from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
How could I even put into words what I've been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Everyone you all know that I've been bred crumbing, that
I've been training for something like the last five weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I kind of signed up.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think it was five, Yeah, It must have been
five weeks ago, just before we went away to rock Hampton.
I was dancing in the garage in rock Hampton because
I just learnt the first few steps of the jive.
So doing like an absolute dog's breakfast of it.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, at least you've got Matt at home to train with,
because if people might not remember them two years ago,
three years ago, Matt did Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, no, no, no, he's not training with me unfortunately. No,
he's like the dancing widow. Now he's got the kids
twenty four to seven. So you know, when Matt did
it two years ago and Lola was a newborn, if
I was home with the kids and he was leaving
for like eight hour training days. This is payback because
he at the moment has been having to do the
lion's share of the parenting whilst I'm off being twinkletoes.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Whilst you're off getting down and jiggy with it. Oh
oh no, that's wrong, You're not getting down getting jiggy.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And also like we have to be so careful because
everyone's gonna be like, oh, what's happening with Laura's dance partner,
what's going on there?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
It is always a bit of a vibe, not with you,
but a vibe and a theme with Dancing the Stars,
isn't it. I think it's more in the American series,
But there's always like this contraver of an affair, or
someone hooks up with someone, or there's so much chemistry
on stage it has to be real.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I would like to have it on the record that
my dance partner pot.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Contradance my da dance Neil My. Your dance partner's name
is Danil.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
My dance partner, Danil is almost two decades younger than me.
So apart from the fast food is here, he's six.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Sixteen. You can't do that moves at sixteen.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
He's twenty one. He's twenty one, so hit sixteen years
younger than me.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
So I could have literally given birthday hand. Not that
there would ever even if it was Jason Momoa, like,
there would never be a thing like I I adore my.
I love Matt too much. It's not that just doesn't
even enter my psyche, but the fact that he's so young.
Matt was like, thank God, you're partner with him. I
don't even have to worry about your rubbing your body
up and down him all day, so you have to
pick him up from school on the training I picked
him up from tafe and then I take him to

(03:57):
training because he can't drive yet.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You know he's gonna listen to this and be like, fuck,
you don't know. We're so lovely, You're great. We're just
taking the piss he's I've met him. He's lovely. He's
a lovely dance partner.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So this is his first season doing Dancing with the Stars,
but the dancing verg Yeah, he's a dancing version. He's
never ever danced before. No, He's like he's like Australian champion.
He was like some crazy award winning multi Accolade dance person.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
He's got the fire in his belly, doesn't he Yeah,
and so much confidence.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Like if you said to him, how do you think
you're gonna go, He's like, oh yeah, We're gonna win
a mirror Ball.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I'm like, you haven in mid dance yet he has. No.
I saw a snippet, a tiny little snippet, because I
peeked in on one of your sessions.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I think it was because I text you SA same
same same.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
You guys actually look really good. Well, We're going produce
a Keisha and I are going some of the radio
crew are going, we're gonna go to your first night
to cheer you on. And I'm gonna take my own
scorecard and like just write a tin on it.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
And if Todd mckennie gives me like a four, just
hold the ten over the top of it, be like.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Fuck your DoD. I'll be that person, you know how.
I when you're at the football and someone runs on
streaking and like everyone runs around trying to catch them,
that's me. I'll be running around with the scorecard and
everyone's like, get her off with your face melting off.
I'm hoping my face isn't melting off by that.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay, So, as you guys know, BRIT's been doing the
skin cancer treatment. But she arrived today and she was like,
I think my eyelashes have been seated off.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I wish I could laugh harder.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's true they have. They're gone, mainly the bottom ones.
But a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Your face looks so ball at the moment, very crusty,
very bald, do you know what?

Speaker 1 (05:36):
No, But well, I'm just thinking a way to say
it because I am very, very proud to be posting
on like my face bit and what's happening. And I'm
not worried about my looks in the sense of what's
happening at the moment, because I know it's for a
good cause. But this morning I did look in the
mirror and I was like, wow, I just hate myself
right now because my eyelashes and my face is so

(05:59):
swollen and you look at stopping this is what we're
working with today. Okay, yeah, it's really cracked and scabby
and it's painful. And once I've realized that some of
the lashes are gone, it was a real life point
and I was like, I actually just I mean, I'm
still rocking. I'm still living my life like normals, still
coming to work, and I don't care enough to like
hide away like a witch. But this morning I definitely

(06:21):
looked at myself and I was like, Okay, it's three
weeks deep and I don't want to look at myself
in a mirror at the moment, but I know we're
in a week or two it'll be better. But I
I hate myself right now. We laugh about it, but
you look beautiful. Stop it. We can laugh.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I know we will be peop laughing, are gone at you,
but like you look beautiful, and also you should be
so proud of because I think a lot of people,
you know, especially when it's your face, like it's so
easy to be embarrassed and then to be like, I'm
not going to share this, but I'm so proud of
you for sharing it and for putting all the photos
up there, like you know, the good, the bad, and
that not as beautiful as what you know normally you
would look like, but I'm so glad that you're sharing

(06:55):
all parts of it because the visibility is so important,
and we all know that the conversations around skin cancer
is so important. So as much as we take the
piss out of you now, i'm very very proud if he's.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Out of myself, but it's yeah, the truth is, yeah,
I don't want to ak myself right now. But on
a more serious note, if anyone actually has recommendations for
a LASH serum that works, like none of it, you know,
like there's so much stuff that doesn't work, but like, okay,
I've got no extensions, I have pointy little finger. I'm
burnt off by this chemo cream because I think I
want a bit hectic under the eyes. I need a

(07:25):
good lash serum. I need these to grow.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Do you actually think that stuff works, the chemo or the.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Lash the lash serum apparently, yeah, you don't know. I've
got a question.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
If it works so well, then why can't ball people
just shove it all over their head and grow hair.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Keisha's she's literally in the background, like in the morning.
She's like me, I mean, oh, that's grim.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Keisha just said that there's studies that have come out
to say that lash serum has made some people go blind.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
So we're not promoting it. What you're saying is I'm
never gonna have lashes again. No, their crawback soon, babe.
Nick Cycle? Yeah yeah yeah, Nick Cycle a period.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Doy Okay, look back to Dancing with the Stars for
two seconds and then we can move on to other
more important things.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Stand to the Star.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
We are pre recording this episode, like the intro of
this episode, so this is we're doing this on Friday.
Normally we keep our interests fresh, we do it on
the Monday morning. It comes out on the Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
But Laura's are really high and superstar now, so we
have to try and fit into her sketch.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
But I'm a dancer, no god if you know, but
she's a glitterable I am after the mirror ball. My
very first colm is Tuesday night, So if you're listening
to this on the day that this drops, I will
be somewhere dancing the drive at in Homebush. That's where
I think it's being filmed. Do you feel petrified? Okay, great, that.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Was I was gonna say nervous, but Petrifried's a great term.
Don't think I've ever been so scared in my life.
And what about are you scared about not doing the dance? Well,
you're scared about being voted out first, you're scared about
doing it in front of people.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know, Like, what's the I really don't want to
be voted out first because that's just embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
At least second can run the batch.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I remember when I went on The Bachelor, I was like,
as long as I'm not the first, if I'm on
the second.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Night, somewhere in the middle, so I can hide amongst it.
You know, I'm okay with being average. I don't want
to be really really bad, So first would probably be
a bit disappointing, but you know what, if it ends
up being first.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
We can all laugh about it in a couple of
weeks time. There's no way you're first. I've seen your moves. No,
I could be.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm up against like Paulini and Bloody Pa. Do you
remember what was that movie that were you all Alabrand
looking for Ala Brandy. I saw her the other day
and then I got like you know when you see
a celebrity in real life and you get a bit
of like starstruck.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I was like, oh my god, it's peare I watched
your movie in school. I watched it when I was
like sixteen.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
She also looks exactly the same, like she hasn't aged
at all.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
It's really weird. I thought that when I looked at
the cast photos, like only fifty, how do you look
like you're still twenty five? Is she now? No idea?
She's probably gonna listen to this and like, I'm thirty.
She was quite young when she filmed that. Well she
was supposed to be at school. Yeah, but you know,
s you can be thirty film school. Okay, after this
face peel, I reckon, I can play like a ten

(10:04):
year old any cartin agents out there, I have just
extended my age range.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
So Tuesday night we've got the competition. That'll be my
first one, and I'm dancing the jive.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh that's the super fun really fast.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
So the reason why I'm nervous is not because I'm
not so much nervous.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
That I'm gonna get out first.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
If it happens, it happens, there's not much I can
do about it except dance better.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
But no blame an injury if you're out first. Say
I have rolled my ankle always, Yeah, it's not you.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, it's not the ability, it's something there was something
sort of hurdle I had to overcome. No, the reason
why I'm nervous is because I have to think so
much about the steps because the steps are so fast,
Whereas if I make a mistake in the jive, there's
no time to make get up. Yeah, So it's like
the mistakes are so obvious, whereas if you make a
mistake in a slower dance, you can just kind of
like do something with your arm, make it look like

(10:56):
to do it. So if I had a waltz or
something first, I think I would be better off. And
everyone keep saying like, oh God, it must be so
good to learn a new skill, and I was.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Like, it is, but I'll probably never use the jive again.
I'm gonna say it's not really a transferable skill. When
you're out at a nightclub high kicks. Sorry, when you're
out at a nightclub maybe last time you went to
a nightclub, I reckon one day, I've got nightclubbing in
me again. You know what you do. And I'm going
to say this probably not necessary for the pod. But
Ben is coming in three weeks and he's made a request.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
We're going to go to a nightclub.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
He's requested that all of our group of friends go
out for drinks. And then he's like, maybe we could
go to a club. And I didn't have the heart
to tell him that we're all eighty year old. Inside,
I was like, sure, babes, I'll get the group.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Together for the club. In my head, I was like,
did you even know where the club is anymore?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Where do people go?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Did you realize at that point in time that you
were dating a twenty year old?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
You were like, oh my god, that's right. My boyfriend
is twenty No, he's thirty one, but he just I
guess he's probably normal. We are just not We're like
old salt. We're all old solt.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
No, I think we're normal. I just have two kids
and I just drink rose at home.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Produce a Kisha might I was trying to do the math,
ask her where to go? Well, yeah, produce the cause
you might know. But what I was going to say
is I was doing the math. I was like, Okay,
I'll book us all a restaurant, and I was doing
the math of who could come, and I was doing
the partners. And then I was like, looks like Kesha
might have a partner now, so I added a plus
one in for the new potential. We're not sure yet
because we have knowd the conversation. I'm sorry, are we
talking about this on the podcast? Well, obviously Laura hasn't

(12:17):
listened to Thursday's episode that I didn't listen. I've been
so busy, dare thing. I didn't even listen to my
own pocket. Oh my god, no racial announcements all around.
We sort of announced it, but we didn't. The conversation
is Laura, you could actually chime in on this. Laura
is not biased because she doesn't know the conversation. Do
you have? I really should listen to my own podcast?
Do you have to have the conversation. When you're in

(12:39):
a relationship and you're dating Dereck, you have to have
the conversation that you're exclusive or not or is it
implied slash.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I've learned from experience it is never fucking implied. It
is never implied. If you think it's implied at someone
out of the two.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Of them still and I've left that the hard way.
Mena dam never implied. That was exactly what my commas
never but he She's like, I think it's just it's
you know, it is what it is, And I'm like, no,
it's not. No communication is key.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Let's not go with snoke signals when it comes to
fidelity and monogamy.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Let's just ask the question.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Do you know why people don't want to ask the
question because they're scared of the answer. That's why people
don't like to say are we exclusive? For fear of
knowing that you're not exclusive and the answer being no.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I also think some people have a fear of maybe
you're more on board than the other person is. So
sometimes people are like, I don't want to do it first.
I don't want to say, hey, do you want to
go steady? If they're like, I'm still rock on the boat,
you know, or my analogies are on file, like.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Rocking the boat just mean like you're getting in trouble,
like you're making.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Pressure to do an opposite of steady, and it was rocking.
That's where my brain went. So basically, what I meant
is like one person might be more ready than the other,
and I think that sometimes that's why people get scared
of having the convoy. But Keisha's got a hand up
in the corner. You don't have to put your hand up.
It's because Keish doesn't have a microphone at the moment.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Come on it, okay, pollar opposite foot and I've got
a couple of messages about this after episode went live
on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Glad that someone listened to it.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
That was.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
When you said, like you have to have the conversation.
That's because you dated trash people.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I've also dated trash people where I've felt the need
to have the conversation.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Oh, I didn't realize that they were trash until until
a year later when I thought we were exclusive and
we weren't.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
She assumed exactly.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
And in the past I've been exactly the same where
I've been like, no, I have to have the conversation
because otherwise you might be fucking someone else. And I
don't know about it this time. I don't have any
anxiety about it, Like I just it is what it is,
and like I don't have any insecurities about where I stand,
Like I'm calling him, I'm calling him.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Him if he's your boyfriend. Must be nice, Must be nice. Also,
you know what they say, assume is it? Assume makes
an ass of you and me? Something like that.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
That's today's social video.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Do you and Matt have to have the conversation after
the batch?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
We literally had the conversation on TV, on National TV,
in front of everyone. It was the most solidifying moment
of my life because I was like, you can't back
out of this one, motherfucker. Can I tell you guys,
you can't say you didn't know that we have in
a monogamous relationship after this one, like all the exes did.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Can you? Yeah? I mean it also can just be cute.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
You can just literally be like, okay, mother friend, I'm
so don't do that. I think so funny what I
did one time, You're gonna die. You were going to.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Rap dad levitating up to the sky. This is in
the ground. As I'm saying, this is a part of me.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
That is my internal monologue is like, stop at Brittany,
But I'm not going to tell you anyway.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Please please, I will tell you to stop like a eyebrows,
I mean eyelashes all the back.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Wait all I can think. I literally looked in the
mirror this morning. I was like, thank god I locked
Ben down when I did like a giant thumb. Oh
just like your trashy ex boyfriends. What I was gonna
say is I was dating this guy a couple of
years ago, and I quite liked him, and we had
had a history, like we'd known each other for a
long time, but don't ever known each other as friends.

(16:02):
I like to think I'm pretty like cute in terms
of like I'm a romantic and I like to do
cute things. So we were sort of seeing each other
and Keisha, this is a really good for you to
listen to. We've been seeing each other to the point
where I was and we talked all the time on
the phone. He was a decent guy. He wasn't a
shit guy at all. He was really nice. He's still
to this day is. But I was like, oh, obviously

(16:23):
this is where this is going, like, you know, so
I wrote him a I wrote him one of those
things pack a day. Really sick for a week. I
know I've been really sick for weeks, and I'm because
I forgot I did this. I wrote him like this.
I got this piece of paper and I wrote at

(16:43):
the top and you know those like where you ask
a question and then it splits it's yes no, and
then you do a line and it splits, and then
you ask another question is yes no, and it goes yeah.
It's like a trick. It's a question tree that goes
down the page. I did this whole amazing tree and
it was so in depth and it was so cute,
and at the bottom it was to get to like
will you be my boyfriend? Kind of thing, like do
you want to go steady? And I just thought it

(17:03):
was gonna be an obvious yes, and I thought it
was a cute way to do it. Anyway, it was
a no. I'm still the day feel so awward thinking
about it. The good part was he didn't he didn't

(17:23):
do the tree circle, no one send it back to me.
He just called me it's like we need to have
a conversation and bless and I was like, oh, sorry,
I really misread the room. He's like, but that was
really a cute thing, and I appreciate he was so great.
He was like it was really sweet, and I was like,
totally fine, I do that to everyone. You're like, let's
pretend it never happened. But he was like, I'm just
not ready for a relationship. But like standard sydneyman, we.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Like, but you're ready to continue to keep sleeping with
me and treat me like I'm your girlfriend. That would
be great. Let's do that the next year until you
find someone better.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I think we did it like one more time and
then we both were like cool.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
The thing is when it is about you tell me
that you're not ready for a relationship until you start
dating someone else.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
In a month, you got married and had a kid.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
He got married, not a kid.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
Oh live on air right now, Keisha's current boyfriend that
we don't know just message her and said are we
having the conversation, which means he listened to Thursday's episode.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh my god, can you respond right now and say
do we need to? No, say do we need to
or is it assumed? Can you please? This is live content.
Keisha's getting a boyfriend live on air? Do it for
the team? Keisha?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Oh yeah, by it?

Speaker 1 (18:32):
No, that was too much.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Pretty anyway, let's mine your life. Let's mine your life
for as much content as possible.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Geisha, you bulled in. You don't get paid enough. He
should send him a photo of what's happening right now
and say we're talking about right now, record.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Us and we'll ask him for you just video and
you can send in the video.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, Hello, hello, potential boyfriend. Hi, his name's Toddler and
Hi Toddler. Rumor has it you must have heard the
conversation that Keisha and I had Onday's episode of Life Uncut,
because you did just message Keisha and ask if you
guys need to have the conversation. And the question is
do you think you need to have the conversation or
do you think it is assumed? And if it's assumed,

(19:12):
what are we assuming? Yeah? Yeah, can't wait for the answer.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Ha or he Welcome to the Life on Cut family.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Men must be so scared to enter this little world
of ours because like they know, all men know, Like
I'm lucky because Matt's locked in he already. I mean,
he shares enough of our bloody sex life on his
podcast now too. It's double whammy. But he's got four
years to make up for it and get back at me.
But like for you guys over the years, trying to
bring a man into the chaos that is us sharing

(19:41):
our life as podcast content, truly would be petrifying for
some man.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
You know what, You're lucky that Matt's quite well, he
is not quite. He's very open and he's very in
the media, and he loves that kind of a life.
But like the people I've dated or all very opposite,
they're very shy and they're very quiet. This is like,
imagine if you were a shy, quiet person coming into
this kind of a life.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Totally, it makes it very challenging to date. And I
know that because I know you've spoken about it loads before,
and I know that for a lot of people that
we've interviewed who live public lives.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I know when I say public lives.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Of course, we don't share everything about our lives on
the podcast, but we share things that might make other
people feel uncomfortable or awkward. You know, we'll talk about
sex and then some people would think, oh God, I
could never talk about that in an open setting.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, we also felt like that once time I'm going
to talk and then the dial it just shifts over time,
and then here we are and all of a sudden,
daily mails writing articles that the headline is Laura's big
fat Harry.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Vagina, and I'm fine with it anyway. We'll come back
to Keisha and whether she has a boyfriend or not.
Speaking of sharing too much and Matt getting me back
over the years for everything that I have been sharing
on this podcast. Molly May is like almost four. She
turns four in a couple of weeks time. And in
the four years of her life, she has never walked
in on us getting down and diberty.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Although three times she hasn't walked in.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I know she hasn't caught us in the act yet,
and it could be because it's quite infrequent.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
But she also sleeps in no bed.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So like, Molly gets up every single night at around
eleven o'clock and she goes from her bed and comes
and gets into our bed, and then we spend the
entire night with her kicking me in the tit for
the rest of it. So like it is surprising that
up until this point, and I know we joke all
the time that I don't have sex, but I do. Guys,
it happens. So up until this point in time, she's
never ever walked in on us. But Matt shared the

(21:26):
story on his podcast, so I feel like I need
to share my version of it. We were doing the
horizontal dance of love the other night, yeah, but us
naked in missionary position, which would mean Matt was on top,
no blanket, no nothing. I feel like I was being
semi vocal, but like not that vocal that it would
have woken her up, but vocal enough that she would
have been like, what are they?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
What game are they playing? Some husky breathing anyway, Yeah, nah,
big more than that. Oh, I was scary. It was scary.
It was pretty much you all.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So we're in the middle of it, this you know,
passionate love making session and all here is this and
it was like a cartoon. I heard the pita powder
and then as soon as I look to the right,
she just arrived like a tombstone, standing next to the bed.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Like how did you get that? So you was so
close to our faces.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I was like, this is gonna be traumatic for you
and cost you a lot in therapy when you're older. Anyway,
she was literally right next to my face and we
hadn't had time to do anything. We were just kind
of frozen in position.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
But do you know what, that's probably the best position
to be when you're sprung, because.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh, you just look like you're laying down in bed.
We like you're close and cuddly. Yeah, just having a
naked close cuddle. Yeah, or she would have been out
of sea with her dad's butt. Really and like the
side of my leg, it's not like.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
A sixty nine or how do you explain that? You
don't You really don't. I don't know what you do
for that. No, as we all know, I've seen it
before of my mom. Oh yeah, Laura did catch her mum,
that was true. Let's not visit revisit that anyway. So
it turned to it.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
She's like there right at my face, and like I said,
she gets into her bed every night. There's nothing that
you can do to deter her from getting into bed, right, Like,
that's just her. She as soon as she gets to
the bed, she climbs on in. And I turned to
her and she looked at us and she was a
bit like the fuck is going on here? And I
was like, oh, sweet here, maybe you should go back
to your own bed tonight. And she just looks us

(23:17):
as both and she goes, okay, Mummy, turns around and
walks straight out and.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Puts herself back to bed. And the fact that she
did that means she clocked something was different, because she
would always get in a bed kind of sense.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
She was like, I don't know what this is, but
I don't want to know, and then she didn't mention anything.
She kind of did. She said, you told me to
go back to my bed last night, and I was like, yes,
Mommy and Daddy were wrestling, having a wrestle. We were
having we were having a special adult tickle.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
She'd have told her you were like practicing the dance
or something.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh, I don't want her to get that impression. Then
imagine how much that's gonna affect her when she's older.
And she thinks that's what I was doing with my
dance teacher. But you think anyway, Daily Mail, stay the
fuck away from that headline.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Fuck me. Oh okay, guys, we've just gotten a live
update from Keisha's This is the most amazing content life
on Cut has ever had. Keisha's sent what we just
did before to Toddler own bless your soul. You've taken
one for the team, Keisha, and he's just responded with
please read out loud. This poor guy does not know
what he's in for. I think he does.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
He wrote, if I have a whole pass, I'm not
exercising it, so you're not making a mistake.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
To clarify Kysh's got that is basically you're basically engaged.
I think he's saying he's not.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's nothing going on with anyone else. He's trying to
cure he's exclusive.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, he's trying to say that you guys are locked down.
Oh my gosh, she's so embarrassed. I'm that's so cute.
We haven't known Keisha to have a boyfriend traumatized.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Can I also just put it out there we are
now hiring for somebody who is single, because we need
somebody single in our company at all times.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
At least, you know, Laura and I are on par
with our opinions. Yeah, yeah, and also the content that
we want. And he seems really nice. Yeah, Hi, Hi Tabloom, Welcome, Welcome,
to the family. All right, let's leave it because she's
died of embarrassment. Speaking of embarrassment, I've got a great
little accidentally unfiltered here.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh, it's been a while since we've done an accidently
unfiltered I love this in a while, but this one
came into email.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
All right, they're really in traditional format. Yeah, highlight uncut team.
I was out for drinks with my friend's night and
we all decided to do accidentally unfiltered and tell our
most embarrassing moments. And I begged me to riding with this.
Now I love that you guys have done this. So
a few years ago, I was living in my parents'
garage that we had turned into a bedroom. The sliding
door to the room had a doggy door, and my

(25:37):
clothes were kept in baskets along the bottom shelf. Now,
I had a very lovely pink silicone vibrator, but it
didn't look like a dick. It was just like a
pink sort of stick like shape like a dick, like
a pink dick, but just like I guess, not real shape,
just like the pretty one.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
It was a pink stick.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, the pretty dildos. One afternoon I arrived home from
work to see my dad sitting in the backyard playing
fetch with my dog, throwing around my pink dial do.
My dog had obviously found it in a basket through
the doggy door. I was so mortified, but I had
to play it cool, so I decided to play with
both of them. Played throw the dog toy with Dad,

(26:15):
but then I had to yeat it over the fence
and be like, oops, lost the dog's toy. It was
the most embarrassing thing ever. And thank god my dad
never cluede onto it.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
She played fetch with her dad and then dog with
Big Dilda.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Imagine being the neighbor and finding a fucking dialdo in
your backyard.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Just do in the garden and you get you eat
it in the head with a dildo. It is so funny.
I love it so much.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I love the idea that you sat around with your
girlfriends and shared your acciently and filtered stories.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
What are good if?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I mean, if you're going out for dinner with your friends,
this is such a good little thing for you to
do this weekend or next weekend. Sit down and ask like,
what is your most embarrassing story? It'll give you the
best laugh and then write them in, and then make
sure you write them in because you know, we haven't
been doing many accidently unfilters this year, and I feel
like it's time to bring it back.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Baby or she also said, please keep me anonymous. Love
the podcast. Just so you know, everyone is anonymous. Everyone
never we don't even look at your profile. Sometimes we
just sometimes because sometimes we do. Oh you know, sometimes
when it's really funny, we have a look, but only
because we're like, I want to put a face to
queen the name of that person, but I want to
put a face in the name of this queen. Yes,
but we promise you will always be anonymous. But please

(27:24):
keep those coming in because I live for them.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
You can slide into the dams at Life on Cut podcast.
Well Tony Armstrong wears a lot of cats.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
He's a TV presenter, he's an XAFL player, he's an
assy heart throb. He's a podcast or with a new podcast,
The Pool Room, and if you'll listen to Australian media,
he's the next Bachelor. Tony, Welcome to Life on Cut.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
It's such a thrill to be here. Love the laundry.
List of things that I am particularly the one that
we all knows the most true, which is the bachelor.
One very happy with that one.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Can we either prove it or defunk it?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I mean, I know we've spoken about it before the
pick up, but just for everybody out there who's curious
or who's dying to know, will you ever be the
Bachelor or has it ever been on the table?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
No? Despite the weird nature of the job that I
guess we all do, I don't like people knowing weird
shit about me, and I can imagine that, like if
I was doing a dating show on TV, you know,
like that'd be too invasive for me. So no full
respect to people who do it.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But I'm not insulted. I was going to say, I
don't I know we were both on the batch. I
think I reckon he probably knows. I don't think he does.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
No, I do, But I guess the thing is like
for me, I couldn't like, Yeah, I mean, I'm awkward
enough as is, so I would find trying to be
vulnerable like that, properly vulnerable like that would be tough.
I would imagine, what was it.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like you say that you were awkward? I actually just
think that you're smarter. Than us, because you've been in
the media ring. I think like when we signed up
and did it, we had no idea of what to
expect because we were so fresh and so green. Now
looking back, if I knew what I knew and I
didn't think I'd get a husband out of it, I
certainly wouldn't be doing it.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Look, I think there's a lot of women out there
that'll be disappointed to hear that those rumors are fault
because I think there is. I know there is a
long line up for you, Tony, So how do you
know I was one of them at one Stay okay,
just to.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Make you really awkward while we start this, but to
make you even more awkward, we start every single chat
the same way with our guests, and that is an
accidentally unfiltered story, basically the most embarrassing thing that's ever
happened to you.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
It's very humanizing and we want you to bear your soul.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
So I've got a couple. I've got a laundry list,
but the first one that comes to mind right now.
I was lucky enough to be one of the hosts
of ABC's ninety f Birthday and like we did like
extravaganza type night up in Sydney and we were catching
up on zoom to like talk through how the night
would go and how the scripts was, and you know,

(29:52):
doing line reads and all that kind of stuff. And
I do wrecky TV for people who don't know, and like,
I am just so tired all the time. I know
that's a boring thing to say, but I'm so tired
all the time. Anyway, I was on this zoom right
with all the big wigs, and I've done this more
than once, but on this occasion, we were reading through

(30:13):
all of the script and I was here at home
on my couch like listening, and then I just fully,
fully fell asleep in the middle of this zoom and like,
my bosses and my boss's bosses are all in there,
and you know, normally if you fell asleep, there's someone
there who can Just so my phone is not I

(30:35):
don't know my phones on do not disturb. The only
way they can get to me is through the zoom.
I'm asleep. I can't hear the fucking zoom. I come
back and the script writers are in there, and then
at the end they go, oh, so what's the script like?
And I'm like, well, I fucking fell asleep to find

(30:55):
it was very And I've done it in interviews before
as well, where I've like, I take, say, I do
like a run of interviews for a show or something
like that. I used to have a noise canceling headphones
and I would just lie on my bed with my
phone here and just do the interviews like lying down.
And the amount of times I've fallen asleep in interviews

(31:17):
and then had to like be like, oh, sorry, you
broke up. What was that, like, you know, waking up
some Tony Tony? Are you there?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I really hope that we made through the whole episode
with you staying away. That would be your.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Dream, Like, oh my god. The other one, when I
was like sixteen, I was playing for my combined school
footy team, so like the kind of rep team, and
the coach of the side was a fellow called Ken Fletcher,
and he was a bomber's legend and I was so

(31:54):
nervous to meet him. We're in like a line, the
same way that you do when you're like cheap in
like an exam or something, and you know how sometimes
you'd write their name because you're copying the person I
introduced myself as the person in front of me, because
I was so nervous to meet this guy. I can't

(32:15):
remember his I can't remember the guy in front of
his name. He's like, I know your name's Tony. We
picked you, we know who you. I was like, Ken,
I've had a meltdown, sorry, mate, and I walked off. Also,
I don't want to be rude to Louis Plumbing, but
she's like a tennis commentator that we get on and
I think for ages she thought my name was Nick,

(32:37):
so at the end of our crosses she'd be like,
thanks Nick, and I'd just be like, because.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
You don't want to tell them. I hate that.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Well, I don't want to be rude as well, like
on TV and like correct someone right. Michael Roland would
love it. Every time he'd be like, and I'd just
be like. And then eventually I think someone told her,
because there was one day where she was like over
the top, he's thanks Tony, Yeah, great question.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You like, you're never going to be able to hide
the fact that you've been calling me Nick for six
months because no one knows my name.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
It does get to a point where you can't say anything.
I remember my old job. Someone called me Bridget and
I was new, so I didn't want to correct them,
and I was like, I'll just go with Bridget. I
was Bridget for three years.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I just was like, well, you never ever corrected them,
and nobody ever realized that was wrong.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, we got too deep. That's I'm like, I feel
like you know that your conflict.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Avoid it when you get to that point in your
career and people are still calling you by the wrong name.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Oh, like, I will happily eat the thing that I
lose to avoid throwing someone. You know, I'll like, well,
you know, if it matters to you, let's do that.
That's me. I'm scared of conflict.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Tony, tell us a little bit about what your childhood
was like. You grew up with your mum and she
was a single mom at the time.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Oh, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Where did you grow up all over?

Speaker 6 (33:50):
So?

Speaker 4 (33:51):
I was born at the old Royal Women's in Paddington,
I'm not sure if it's still there. Then grew up
sort of out West Sydney, so like Cabra matter Fairfield
if you know it, like past Paramatta spent some time
on the south coast of New South Wales and then
mum wanted do they call it a tree change? Is
it a tree change? If you move to the country,
it's a sea change.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't know what the inland version.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I think a tree change is when you, yeah, when
you're heading in for a bit more nature, let's go
with that.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yes, So mum, being a teacher, she asked for a
teaching transfer to within a half hour driving radius of
Aubery and we ended up in a little town called
Brocklesby that had literally like one hundred people living there,
which was wild. It was like a farming town, and
then went to boarding school at Assumption College. But yeah,

(34:39):
growing up it was particularly when we're in the country,
like after school, it would just be me. So I
got quite imaginative and just used to fuck around heaps
so much.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
When you say, just you che did you have no
friends because there weren't many people around, or did you
live so far away from everyone else in this tiny
town that no one could get to you?

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah? No, no, no, no, That's kind of what it was like.
So all the kids were on the farms around the town,
and then all my friends from school were in Aubrey.
So like after school I didn't really hang out with
other kids. It would be just mum and I and yeah,
like I had at the mint time. I used to

(35:21):
muck around heaps. I'd make bike jumps, I play the drums,
I'd watch Telly whatever. Yeah, I had a really good time.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
How old were you when your dad was out of
the picture and it was just you.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
And your mum?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
So I never met my dad until like two years ago.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Wow, and how old are you?

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah? I am thirty three years old and.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Feeling you are a young little spring chicken.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
That's where you are.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Thank you? Are we recording? Can we are?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
We can say that that can be the.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
So, yeah, it was just mum and I. But it
wasn't necessarily I guess something where obviously like I yearned
for a dad because you see it, but I also
never had it, so it wasn't like I lost something.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Also, I guess in your case, in terms of like identity,
understanding where you come from, having that sense of belonging
or familiarity, was there, I mean, not necessarily a longing
for your dad or for a father figure, because I
do think that, I mean for me, I would write
with a single mum as well, And I think that
your mom can really feel that cut for you. But
was there a sense of kind of wanting to know
a bit of where you came from and that was

(36:25):
like the driving force to meet your dad so many
years down the track, or was there another reason as
to why two years ago you decided to meet him.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah. No, that's a really good question. I just felt
like the time was right. I'd never really actively wanted to.
And then I don't know what it was that changed
in me, probably getting a bit long in the twos
and thinking about things like deeper things, I suppose, and
then I was like, oh, yeah, I mean it'd be cool,
Probably because I was thinking, you know, like if I

(36:52):
have kids, I want them to know you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Did you have access to your father whenever you wanted,
like you always knew to find him if he wanted,
or did that only come later?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Nah? So, like I didn't pursue it because you know,
I felt really loyal to Mum and I didn't want
to put her out despite the fact that she would
always be like if you ever want to know, out
of a sense of loyalty that even though that's not
being disloyed in yet, just like being young and not
really knowing how to navigate some of those tricky things

(37:27):
that life throws up.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
What was it like when you finally met Do you
end up having a relationship with him? And I guess
I'm curious for this because my mom didn't have a dad.
My mom's dad left very very which I think she
was two or three. She didn't remember him, and when
she was in her forties, she got curious and she
decided to meet him because she imagined it would be
this beautiful reunion and this is why he wasn't around.
And she just said it was just shit. She's like,

(37:49):
I wish I never met him. I wish I didn't
get that curiosity and just continue to live my life.
He didn't live up to what she had imagined. So
what was it like for you?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
I went into it kind of not expecting anything. We've
got a relationship, but yeah, like it was just fucking
weird to be honest, Like you're kind of like, you know,
you're looking at half of yourself. There's all like the
woe is Me feelings that go through, but like everyone's
got their shit. He had his shit. I think we're
getting there. I don't know where it'll get to I

(38:19):
like him, I'm fond of him, but I'm also I've
been burnt by him.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So yeah, absolutely from I mean, not so much about
your relationship with your dad by any means, but your
relationship I guess with yourself as well. Your dad is Indigenous,
and I guess growing up in a household and also
in a community where you visibly present as Indigenous but
maybe don't have a good link to your history, to
your culture.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
What was that like for you?

Speaker 4 (38:45):
I got so fucking good at spinning yarns, I bet
because you know, like kids are just so you just
don't ask. Yeah, yeah, that was just and I just
make shit up. So obviously that's like complex, right. As
I've gotten older, got more perspective on what it is,
and I guess that was part of the reason why
I did want to reach out. Well, I actually didn't

(39:06):
reach out, but like that was why I kind of
like opened myself up to wanting to connect. Was because
I had like imposter syndrome. But then it's like, well,
like this is also a black experience, right, Like it's
just my one versus someone who's grown up with knowledge,
with culture, with family, with community. Mine's just a different

(39:28):
version of that, Like, I'm not Robinson Cruzo, like with
colonization and displacement, all the fucking shit that's happened. My
story is one that is so common. So yeah, like
used to have imposter syndrome. Now I'm like comfortable with
who I am. I'm trying to be comfortable with who
I am and curious.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I suppose you're wildly successful. Now do you still feel
like you suffer from that? When you get a new gig,
or you're on a new TV show, or people are
putting pressure on you to speak about your upbringing and
your community, do you feel like that's still you're not
the person to be doing that, even though we all know,
of course you are.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's like I've got this platform, which
I'm so grateful for, so I kind of feel like
it's incumbent on me to be strong. But then I'm
also like, fuck, i am a bozo.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
But I love it. Do you think that?

Speaker 4 (40:21):
No? But I'm like, there are so many people who
are so much smarter, so much more research, so much
more adequate to talk on things. However, for one reason
or another, they don't get given the microphone. So I
like try to align myself with really good thinkers and
thinkers that I really respect and I know community respects,

(40:44):
and then I just try to echo what they say.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
We had a really great conversation with Taylor Gray when
it was Australia Day, and I loved speaking to her
because one of the things that she said was that
she feels as though there is so much responsibility on
her to represent an entire group of people. And then
she was like, but no white person walks into a
room and goes, I'm representing everyone. She's like, you get
to show up and just represent yourself, represent the fact

(41:07):
that you do a podcast, or you make jewelry or
whatever it is. She was like, but when you are
an Indigenous person, you walk into a room and people
expect you to speak for everyone. And she's like, and
it's such a wild expectation that everybody has, yeah, and responsibility,
but also one that's just so completely unfair. And I
think as well for you, because you are this very
respected voice in the media, but there are very few

(41:29):
extremely successful media personalities throo are also Indigenous that expectation
falls even harder on you.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Well, for sure, I'm really good mates with Brooke Boning
a bit. She and I talk about it to each other,
basically like moaning to each other. But it's really funny
you say that, because I was lucky enough to be
the first Indigenous person to commentate AFL on commercial radio.
And I remember in The Leader they made a big
thing about it. I did it for Triple, and they

(41:56):
made this huge thing about it because you know, it
was awesome for Triple to be like the ones who
did it. We were making history. And I just remember
the lead up being like, I can't fuck this up
because if I dopect. If I do, I'll put blackfellows back.
And this is with no disrespect to white commentators, but

(42:17):
they're not thinking exactly to your point. They're not thinking, well,
like I stuff this up, I'm going to fuck this
up for it. You know, it's not going to affect
the perception of a people. Whereas sometimes I worry that
worries a bit strong. But sometimes I think that I
can directly affect perception of Indigenous people just because of

(42:38):
the platform I've been given, Like I can literally make
people think and obviously the way the brain works worse,
Like I can make people think worse of Indigenous people
through my actions, which is a really cooked way to think, right,
Like you should just be worried about being a good person.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
I mean, the pressure of the responsibility. I've never quite
thought of it like that, that you've thought, I can't
be the one to fuck it up into people's perspective
for the worst. And something you just mentioned which just
struck me a little bit, as you said, like there
are people more intelligent than me that should be, you know,
having these conversations when the first thing I thought of
is I never would have thought that. I never would
have thought someone's not intelligent enough to have the conversation,

(43:15):
because at the end of the day, it's your lived
experience and it's your story to share. And apart from that,
you're incredibly talented at everything that you do, and that
has nothing to do with you've been indigenous.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Let's cut that up too.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, we've got some of my light reels here. I
understand why it's frightening.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I mean, like, also going back, we're obviously going to
get into talking about footy very shortly.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
But you know, you come from a very different background.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's not like you came from a journalistic background and
then all of a sudden you're working in media and
being called up to do a whole bunch of different things,
and being asked to do breakfast media. It's like the
trajectory seemed to happen so quickly, and I'm sure it
wasn't an overnight thing for you. But I guess before
we get into how you made that transition between football
to media personality, i'd love to know a little bit

(43:57):
about your childhood football dreams, how you kind of navigated
that period of your life, and then what it was
like to transition into professional football.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Oh well, I used to sleep with a footy. I
was like that obsessed, right, Having no friends around after
school and stuff meant that I would just take the
footy and I'll just kick it at trees, kick it
at targets, you know, the ten thousand hours thing, like
I would have clocked fifty sixty thou Like, it was
wild and I loved it. And it's quite funny. I've

(44:27):
spoken about this before, but it's so true when you're
growing up. I think this has happened to all of us.
It's like try hard, work hard, and you'll get what
you want, you know, Like that's like the dream, right,
It's like you work hard at whatever it is, and
success will come your way. And what I found out
through footy was that that actually isn't always the case.
You know, you can bust a gut, you can scrap,

(44:50):
you can you know, move all over the country, you
can bust your ass, and it still might not be
good enough. But then the best thing that came out
of like all of that, out of footy not making
it not being good enough was I learned that it
will be okay, Like all of this could go away
tomorrow and I'd be fine. I mean, I'll probably have
to sell the house, I.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Have to make some adjustments to the spending.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Yeah, but I'd be fine. And so like that fear
of failure that can constrict people. You know, we all
know people who you see like you're like, come on, man,
like just do it, You're brilliant, just do the thing,
and they get in their own way. Like I'm lucky
that football gave me that fearlessness, but it was also hard.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I mean, how do you cope with that when you
have all these dreams and aspirations, when you're literally sleeping
with a football as a child, and then you make it.
I mean, you're good but then maybe just not quite
good enough, all right, Laura, What I mean is is
that there is an expectation that you need to be
even better. How do you deal and overcome that sense

(45:55):
of failure?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
So I got like really sad because football you get
so much feedback, both directly and indirectly, and when you're
not in like the senior side, you're getting indirect feedback
each week through non selection that you're literally not good enough.
Like we're all trying to play in the seniors, right,
and if you're not getting selected, what are they saying
you're not good enough? But then all week you're busting

(46:19):
your ass, busting your ass trying to play in the
senior team. And so I think over sort of eight
years of on a weekly basis being told you're not
good enough, but then your identity being so wrapped up
in what you do as well, it just took a
while for me to like realize that like sort of
what I do is not who I am. Necessarily, Still

(46:41):
work on that all the time, Still work on like
learning to like like myself, because I got like a
deep sort of kind of self loathing through the feedback
and footy and all that kind of shit, but yeah,
I'm getting that. It's good. It's hard.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Okay, So you got drafted to the Adelaide Crows in
I think tow thousand and seven. Then twenty twelve you
debut for the Sydney Swans and like, that's a team
you grew up supporting, which is pretty amazing. Surely that
is a bit of a confidence boost for you. What
was that time?

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Like, it was weird, it was like awesome, Like fuck,
running around kicking a footy, lift and weights, getting massages,
going for coffees, playing FIFA. It's fucking sick. I was
looking that good back then. I was fucking ripped six pack.
It's not great now, but back then, pooh. Anyway, it

(47:33):
was sick to work on something so hard and like
hone a craft, focus on getting really good at something
hyper specific. I found that really cool. But then there
was the other side of the coin, which was what
I just talked about with like the non selection. I've
used this analogy before, it I reckon it's a good one.
It was like I was having a shower with a
raincoat on, Like I was like doing it, but I

(47:56):
wasn't playing every week. I wasn't one of the main,
you know, like I was there, but it just wasn't
and like it happened so fast as well, Like I
finished boarding school on the Friday, got drafted on the Saturday,
moved to Adelaide on the Sunday, started on the Monday.
This might be hard for you to imagine, but I
was a pretty immature aheard, and they expected me to
be this hyper professional and I just I was just

(48:19):
growing up. Basically, I probably early days had a perception
of being a bit of a fucking idiot, which is
fair enough.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
You played alongside Adam Goods, and for everybody who knows
AFL you would know who Goods he is. But for
anybody who isn't aware, Goodsy is basically an AFL god.
But at the same time, he was racially villified, and
he ended up later on rejecting a place in the
Hall of Fame because of the racial abuse he experienced
on field.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
What was that like for you?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
One playing alongside him, but also at a time where
there was so much conversation around race, I got to.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Play with him. I was at the game when the
shit happened, and it was so fucked because you're, like,
we've spoken about race a little bit. But it's like,
this is fucking black Superman, right, and he's been racially
vilified in his workplace. Right, He's gone to work copped
racial abuse, he said something about it, and then we
decide that he's the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I mean, he was gaslit. He was told well, no,
you're not.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
By a country. It was really hard to watch. I'm
lucky enough to have a relationship with Goodsy. Actually i'll
show you something. So that's me as a kid with
Goodsy signing something for him. Yeah, and then getting to
play with him. My favorite memory ever was we were
playing Friday night footy against the Hawks. I did something sick.

(49:39):
I like got the ball half back, dodged someone hit
this like fifty meter bullet pass to Goodsy on the lead,
and I just remember it was like the only moment
when I was playing for him that I really like
soaked up. Because it was a Grand Final rematch, so
there's like eighty thousand people at the g couldn't hear shit,
and I just looked around. I was like a twelve
year old me kind of knew that this was going

(50:01):
to happen. At some point I would have lost my shit,
you know. So yeah, you're fucking cool getting to play
a goodsie. He's alleged even better person than he was
a footballer when he was an amazing football.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's interesting that you say that your twelve year old self,
if they could see what you achieved at that time,
that he would have lost his absolute mind, because I
think sometimes when we get to that point where we've
always dreamt of, the goalposts moved, and I hate I
mean not to use that as pun, but what I
mean is is that you can get to the place
that you've always dreamt of, and then your ambitions have
already moved forward, so you're not able to celebrate when

(50:33):
you get there. But I guess also for footballers, and
it's something that we hear from time to time, is
that when you come to almost the end of your career,
or in your case, maybe your career was shorter than
what you had expected it to be, that there's this
real identity shift, like who am I if I'm not
the best footballer, if I'm not still a professional athlete.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
And I like, it's so regimented as well, so you're
actually like living not a real life, not that what
I'm doing now is reel. It's fucking weird too. But
you're like told what to eat, you're prescribed your training,
you're told where to be, you're given a diary that's
filled for you. You almost like don't have autonomy, and

(51:16):
that obviously regiments you. Is that the right word that
programs you? And then you're told every decision you make
needs to be about being the best footballer you can be,
So do I eat that? Do I stay up and
watch that movie? Do I do this to? Every decision
you make should revolve around being the best sports person
you can be. And then when you come out of it,

(51:38):
I think a lot of people haven't tipped into the
other parts of their life because you're so inherently competitive
as well. You look around at all of your friends
and you've gone from like being so elite and so
pointy and at something, and then you come out with
like heaps of soft skills, but quite often no degree,

(51:59):
no tray, no work experience because you've been so focused
on football. And then you look at your friends and
if you're thirty odd, you know some of them are
like I don't know, junior partners or they've started their
own business, and you inherently are competitive, so you look
around and you go, oh fuck, I'm like eighteen, I'm
back at the State. So I think it hits a

(52:21):
lot of people really hard, and they go from being
the top dog, you know, So Ego takes a bruise,
a big one. I think I was in a way
lucky that I wasn't amazing, because I think I would
have struggled with the transition even more.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I mean, obviously you played professionally, but in your time,
did you experience anything like Adam Goods did?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Oh yeah, I mean, fuck, it's so cooked to say,
but I just like you see what happens like as
soon as someone calls it out. And as I've gotten older,
speaking like I'm seventy, as I'm mature, and particularly now
I realize that I've got this platform when it happens
to me, I call it not all the time, but

(53:01):
sometimes because I'm like, this is a great opportunity to
highlight that kind of no matter your perceived station in
the world, whatever the world might be, racist, stunkive a.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Fuck, you call it out in terms of your media career,
and so the and I've heard you speak about this before,
the backlash and the outrage and the racism is still there?

Speaker 1 (53:23):
How do you deal with that in your own personal life?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
What I do so like I don't have my social
media apps on my phone. I log in via web
browser to then post something and then I'll leave them behind.
What I do when I go on to social media,
for instance, it's kind of like, you know, you put
the hard hat on, You've got the high vias, You're like,
fuck all right, anything anything could pop up online or

(53:46):
I don't look because I get smacked if I do,
and that's not worth it. And then the second thing
I think is like, well, why would you give air
or gas to like voices that you wouldn't go and
have a meal with, you know, Like I've got a
relationship with some of these people who want to have
a go at ya for whatever it is, So then
why would I let their opinion affect me? Like if

(54:09):
it's my best friend and my best friend goes mate, like,
then I'll listen. But then it's just some racist bigot.
They're a jerk, and that's on them.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Sometimes I think you can get caught up in being
trolled online. And what I mean by that is I
mean we've both experienced it for very, very very different reasons.
But I remember speaking to Tim Wall from Channel ten
Publicity and he kind of gave me the best advice.
He sort of said that if you were in real
life and somebody called something out at you from across
the street and called you horrible names, you'd cross the

(54:40):
street and you look at that person and think that
they were fucking crazy. But if someone does it in
your DMS, if someone slides into your messages on social media,
it hits so differently and we hold on to that
in such a way that we wouldn't if someone did
it in real life.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I don't know, but I.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Know that for me, it's what I've experienced that when
somebody has said something hurtful on social media, it has
hit me and hurt me so much more. It just
has a very different way to it.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Do you guys find that it's like really weird the
ones that get you? You like why that one? Like?
Why is that one got me feeling like shit?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I think it's because for me, it hits me in
a vulnerability that I hate that that person has perceived
me to be somebody who I'm not, or that I
don't think I am and I think that they've misunderstood me.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Oh for sure, it's not the place to go for nuance.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
It's not. And like, I think the other thing I
try to think about as well is like, whenever I'm
feeling like everyone hates me, I then remind myself that
people aren't thinking about us, like and then I like
get into myself. I'm like, how big is your fucking
ego to think.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Like anyone cares about you?

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Yeah? They like the three steps for me, get out
of yourself, dickhead.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
You made a transition from being a professional athlete to
a professional media personality. What was that transition like and
how did the opportunity even come up?

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Honestly? Serendipity fucking walk down the street. So I was
doing some work for a mentoring Condigenous mentoring organization, and
I walked in. I was like looking up some kids
and there was Chris Johnson, a former AFOL player won
three premierships at the Brisbane Lines when they were unbelievable.

(56:24):
Blackfellow as well. So I had a relationship with him.
We knew who each other were. He was doing commentary
for Indigenous Radio NRS, the AFL Indigenous broadcast which is
like community radio, right, And he just on a whim goes, oh,
would you like to maybe do some special comments? And
I was like, why not? And he had that weekend,
I walked into the box with a couple of fellows

(56:46):
did some special comments. I was, oh, don't mind that.
So I was getting paid like next to nothing to
do this, and for about a year and a half,
I'd do three games a week and practicing my broadcasting
broadcast to a lot of people. But it wasn't Broadway.
It wasn't even sort of one street back from Broadway.
It was probably a bit further than that. And then yeah,

(57:07):
Triple M got wind of it through Brian Taylor, so
I'll forever be grateful to him. I walked into a
meeting that I didn't realize was a job interview with
a fellow called Lee Simon who started commentary or football
broadcasting on FM radio. So he like, you know, jazzed
it up, made it entertainment rather than the old ABC stuff.

(57:27):
I didn't realize that I was getting interviewed by him,
and then I walked out, and basically two weekends later,
I was doing special comments on Triple M. And then
he goes, Tony, you didn't have the on field career
to be special comments. You need to learn how to call,
so do play by play stuff. So I taught myself
how to do that through the help of other people,
over and over and over again. I'd like to sit
on the couch, turn the volume down and commentate to TV.

(57:52):
They got good at it, good enough that Triple M
would give me a crack, and then Yokye Footy came along.
I had a chance to host that, and then ABC
like slid into my DMS.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
So you got that, Tony.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
That was when I used Facebook three years ago maybe,
and they said, hey, ba bah, I don't know if
you've seen, but there's a job going at ABC. You
think you'd be greatful it. I was like, because I
don't have like LinkedIn, I don't know how to I
don't know how to do all that shit. And then
basically from there everything's kind of snowball. But yeah, it
took like it was fairbit a grift has got into it.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Okay, So what are you up to now, Tony? Because
I heard a whisper that you might be off to
of all places, can't film festival.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yeah, I'm nipping off to Europe for a month, so
that'll be nice. Yeah, I'm just going along to I
watch a film. I'm like nervous. I get nervous, like
in a room of people, so I can't imagine what
it's going to be like. Like, I can't tell you
how scared I was, and this is not comparing one
to the other, but like walking the carpet at the Logis,

(58:51):
I was shit scared of everything and everyone. I can't
even imagine what this is going to be, like, I've
got anxiety already.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Do you think people realize when they're interviewing you that
you get nervous or do you think that it just
comes across as like being reserved and almost cool, calm
and collected.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Well, what's your perception.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I would never have thought of you as being nervous,
so that, to me, I mean, is surprising.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I think you really actually exude like a calm, shy confidence,
and I think that that's probably what's really endearing about you.
I think that's why people love you, because whilst you're
ridiculously popular and desired in the media, you don't really
give a fuck and you don't really want to talk
about yourself. And I think that really is why so
many people are drawn to you.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Ah, well, that's a massive compliment. I think I've gotten
better at being able to do the interview shit and
give of myself in an interview, but still like protect me,
if that makes sense. I think when I'm with my friends,
basically what everyone sees is me. I just try to
value my privacy as much as I can. Here I

(59:59):
am doing a w com interview. But you know what
I mean, It's like because I want to be genuine, right,
I don't want to be a charlatan or some fake
version of myself. However, I want to protect my core.
It's kind of funny not comparing myself to like nineties
film stars or anything like that. But remember like back then,
no one had access to these people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I was literally about to say, you're actually like Australia's
version of Keanu Reeves. Take that really like popular great
at what he does, but no one really knows anything
about him. He just keeps to himself and his I
don't know. I guess he's a bit of an enigma
that fucks off.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Probably watching Kirby Your Enthusiasm, that'd be a good guess.
And so like I think there's something really interesting in
like scarcity. It's also not a strategy either. It's just
I would feel quite uncomfortable if everyone knew fucking everything
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
You are speaking to the wrong people.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
No, no, but no like and everyone's different with that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I mean speaking about your privacy and look, I'm not
going to drill into your private life too much, but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
When was the last time you had sex?

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
A couple of red hot questions right there?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Okay, Know what I want to know is is what
is it like when you are a media personality where
you're trying to navigate dating and you're somebody who really
likes to keep your life private, but people obviously have
a public perception of who you are and you're one
of Australia's most desirable men.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
It's tricky, of course, and it kind of has only
gotten trickier. It's so funny. It's like I just I
just don't get it either, Like why people are kind
of like wanno like hang out or like hit me
up and all that kind of stuff. Like it's always
amusing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
You don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I mean, you don't get why people would see you
on TV and think I would like to date that guy.

Speaker 7 (01:01:40):
It's always I love that I'm a fucking idiot, Like,
got to be careful, got to be mindful that everyone's
in it for the right reason, which.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I feel like is definitely something you'd have to think
about because I feel like you just literally took over
our screens all of a sudden.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Yeah, well, do you know what I think? Just to
sidebar quickly. I think it's because I started on News
Breakfast in the middle of the pandemic, so people watched
ABC News Breakfast in particular way more than they would
have normally, and everyone was at home, so they got
like seven years worth of normal watching in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Like ten months.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
So true, I'm just sorry I'm here again. Fucking here's
some sport, not COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Well, you just take it on a new venture. You've
got a new podcast called The Pool Room. Tell us
about that, Like I feel like, what aren't you taking
over right now? Tinder?

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Oh you just wait, you just wait. So The Poor
Room's basically kind of like ten minute stories told by me,
and they're kind of esoteric sporting tales that you probably
haven't heard, but they're amazing. Like I was loving doing
it because I was learning so much Like the first
one's about a Japanese marathon runner that went missing in

(01:02:50):
the Olympic Games in the marathon, like I was only
found years later.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Slow was he running to get lost in a marathon?
Don't think you've got lost?

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Glacier Glacier, Or like Voodoo and the Soccer Rouse and
how there was a curse over the soccer Rous done
by like a shaman and they didn't qualify for the
World Cup for like thirty three years, Like weird shit.
That is great for Like, if you're in the uber
on the way to the pub, and you want to
rip a yarn to everyone, slap that podcast in, listen

(01:03:20):
to it for ten minutes on your journey, and then
you'll be holding court in not time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
What happens though, when the podcast gets so popular that
everyone's listening to it and someone turns up and he's
like tries to drop a knowledge bomb, and everyone's like, mate,
I know you just listen to that all the way in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
That's kind of nirvana. I think, yeah, it's a fucking yes,
I know. You make up a little bit of a
tall tale, bit of a furfy and then someone who
doesn't know that it's come from you tells it back
to you. Yeah, boy, Like yeah, everyone loves that kind
of shit because it's like, yeah, short sport, but it's
human story is told through the prism.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
It's also sport that like someone like me who doesn't
froth sport would also be interested in listening to because
it's almost like they're coming to these mysteries of how
who done it? Kind of a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Tony, thank you so much for coming and for doing
the pod. You have been on our hit list for
a very very long time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
I'm sorry that it took me so long to come
and have a yarn, but that was really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
All Right, guys, it is time for our suck and
our sweet, our highlight and our low light of each
and every week.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
You can go first. I'm sure you've thought about it.
Lasia eyebrows. I'm an eyelash. Yeah, Mysuki said, I'm hate myself.
My suck is my suck for probably in all lot
of sty this week, last week, this week, next week
is probably gonna be my face because it is burning off.
It is very painful and it's all I can think
about all day because it's so it just hurts. But
also I don't want to scare anyone off from doing this.

(01:04:40):
It's not debilitating, it doesn't hurt enough that you can't
get on with your day. It's just that it's a
constant bit of a throb. So I don't want anyone
to be like, I'm never doing that treatment. It is
very manageable.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Also, let's be real, it is so one fine in
comparison to the alternate, which is having skin cancer. Like
I would choose this rudely for a good three week
period over the other the alternate option.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
My suite is I have booked some tickets up north
for a couple of weeks with my boyfriend. Band is coming.
As you guys know, I'm very excited because he hasn't
been here like I always go to him, and he's
only been to Australia once when I met him, and
that was on a football tour thing, so they were
very strict with all they could do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
The only thing that Ben saw at that time was
the inside of brids bedroom, so like you know, he
hasn't really seen Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Inside of Britain no, So I'm really excited to show
him Australia. And it's funny. I woke up this morning
and it's so funny because he's Swiss. I forget that
foreigners think this. But he sent me a video this
morning of some people playing football and kangaroos like playing
football and bouncing around on like obviously an anomaly, obviously

(01:05:46):
like a very rare occurrence for the kangaroos to be
playing on the pitch. And I forget that foreigners think
that stuff's normal. They think that you go walk down
the street in Sydney and there are kangaroos hopping around.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
And I don't think people actually think people walked down
to Sydney Street and that there's a bloody koala on
the Center Point tower.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
No, I think they do because all that stuff goes viral,
like one video goes viral, and they think it's normal.
But I had to say to him, look like they're
not everywhere, like we will see them, because I'm going
to take him to my hometown of Port mcquarie, and
they are everywhere there, like across from my house on
the golf courses. Kangaroos are everywhere in put go down
to Green Point, done stuff and they're literally everywhere. Yeah,
So I'm super ex that's my sweet and so I'm

(01:06:23):
super excited. I'm literally counting down the days. I think
it's three weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Well, I can't wait to actually meet him properly because
I've only met Ben Club only in passing at BRIT's
house when he was coming over for a booty call on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
The first yeah, the first second booty call. We are, Yeah,
I met him on a booty call.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
And now I can meet him as your booty boyfriend,
and we can go to the club and and I'm
going to be so experienced I'm going to burn a
hole in that dance flo Anyway, Okay, my sunk for
the week is that I am absolutely fucking wrecked. And
I know that that is not very exciting to listen to.
But when I tell you that the training schedule at
the moment for dancing is like twenty five to twenty

(01:07:01):
eight hours a week, that's just on top of my
normal work.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
So I've still been doing radio full time job like that,
thirty hours a week is a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, it's been mental so that I've still been doing radio.
I'm still doing podcasting. I haven't been into the Tony
May offices as much, but my sister is being doing
an absolute rockstar stellar job of like compensating for that
sort of work. But it's been a huge undertaking to
do this show. And I don't want to say that
that's the suck because it sounds like I'm not enjoying it.
I'm absolutely fucking loving it. I'm loving getting back into exercise,

(01:07:32):
I'm loving dancing. But I am truly exhausted. I have
found muscles in my body that I in my thirty
seven years of life never even knew it existed. But
I am looking forward to having abs in my forehead
by the time this intuition.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Do you think you'll stay on the fitness train after this?
Like you feel like you've gone to a point where
now yeah, because it's such hard work to start, so
now you started.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
And I know we joke about it, but I mean
I never really got back into fitness after having kids.
I would do like little random bursts of it, but
I never got back into any sort of consistent fitness.
It's so nice to be exercising again and feeling like
how invigorated you feel from that, and like how it feels. Yeah,
So even though I'm exhausted, on the flip side of
that is like I feel really.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Good I don't know, it's a weird oxymoron. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
My sweet for the week, though, is that it's all happening.
My sweet for the week is that we've had costume rehearsals,
that the show's been announced, that I can talk about
it finally, and I don't know how to be like, hey, guys,
I've got this really exciting announcement.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
But that's day two two.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I'm an influencer and I'm announcing something really soon.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
So I'm just excited that I can talk about it
because this has been this huge part of my life
that I've been doing for the past four weeks or
five weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Well, you better win because I put bets on sports
bet have you? Yeah? I dropped teap someone. How much
do I win?

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
How much would you win? If I win? We're not
paid much. I'm joking that I don't haven't even seen it.
I would put bets on you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I would think that if there is a sports bet running,
it would be considerable for me to win because it's
quite an unlikely occurrence.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
There would one hundred sports but the sports bet on
can you bet on yourself? Yeah? Queen? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
On that note, Hey guys, I hope that you loved
the episode. You can join in the discussion at Life
on Cut discussion group. You can also join us on
TikTok you know Instagram, all all the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Talking some more dances of your dancers and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, Life on Cut podcasts, We're going to be doing
TikTok dancers because we're dancers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Now I'm not, but I will shake my booty behind
you doing the drive. You'll be my backup dance.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
And that is it from us.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
You know the drill. Tell your mama, tell you down
around your dog. And I can't say it if I
don't say it, do you mom? Tell your dad? Tell
you mamma, tell your dad to tell my friends, tell
your dog and share the love to your mom, to
your dad, to you? What is it to your mom?

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Tell your.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Thanks? Case you, I've only said it five hundred times.
To you, mum, te your dad, tell you dog, tell
your friends and share a love because we love.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Even that sounded weird to me. I was like, are
you sure that's it? Don't you tell your dad, tell
your dog, tell your friends? Why would you tell your
dog before you tell your friends.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
We're not going to get the downloads from them? Are
we Delilah listeners? Have you seen that picture of the
headphones she protects me about. Tell your friends to fall
work anyway, We're gonna go h

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