The Bromance The World Needs - Jimmy & Nath - No Filter

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to A Mother and Me a podcast. Mama
Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. You're listening
to No Filter, and my name's Mia Freedmen. There's a

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lot of bad news about men around at the moment.
You may have noticed, not all men, of course, but
some men, men who are violent towards women, Men like
Andrew Tate, who are infecting the minds of boys and
young men with viral poison about women and about what
it means to be a man. He's gross. I love men.

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I love the man I'm married, and the men I
gave birth to, and the men I work with, and
the men who are my friends and my relatives. And
as the mother of sons, I've always scanned the horizon
for good men, and there are plenty out there, most
of them, in fact, They just don't tend to get
the same kind of attention as the shitty ones, which

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is why today you're going to meet two great men.
They work together, they're best friends, and they're not hay
Mish and Andy, although they have been compared to them.
Jimmy Smith and Nathan Roy are radio hosts and podcasters,
and they're also a brand called Jimmy and Nath. Jimmy's
thirty four, Nath is thirty one, and they could not

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be more different in some ways. Jimmy struggles with his
mental health and Nath is like a Golden retriever in
human form, always wagging his tail. Jimmy has blown up
romantic partnerships in the past due to battles with addiction,
which is something he's working on. Nath is happily married.
In other ways, though, the ways that really count, they

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are strikingly similar, and this is a conversation about friendship
and communication and what it looks like to be a
good man. They're very funny blokes, Jimmy and Nath, and
they like to make people laugh and they like to
make each other laugh. So when we sat down together
in person in the No Filter studio here at Mum
and MEA, I expected that we would be talking about

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their careers and their successes and matship and the ways
that they're using their platform and their audience. They have
half a million followers just on Instagram and they use
those platforms to discuss some really important things. What I
didn't expect was some tears and vulnerability, and well it
was a love story, or in other words, maybe a bromance.

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So in a way, their romance is a romantic comedy.
A romantic comedy. Did I just invent a new genre?
But in the spirit of all good romantic comedies, it
was not love at first sight. Let's do this. Jimmy Nath,
Jimmy Nath, Hello, tell me how did you meet?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I hated Nathan.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
This is the best story. We love getting asked to
like a rom com Yeah, like hated me. I mean
it's probably best to be described from your yes.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I grew up in gunder Windy in the country, moved
to Brisbane, lived in America. For me, it came out
to Brisbane. Never pursued media, but had a lot of
friends that like, you should do it, should do it.
One of my closest friends moved to Sydney said just
come down with me, stay for twelve months, try and
get into the industry. So I end up at Nova
on the Street Team. I meet Nath and just instantly
hated him.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
We were you also on the street team? What is
the street team? Explained For those who don't know what
a street team.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
So the street team is every radio show has one,
and it's when they go out and they're the guys
who wear the branding of the station and they're handing
out the Coca Cola or the movie tickets.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
We still exist street teams.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I think COVID killed it.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
No, they still exist. So when we're at Nova, we
were called the cast Novas. They've had a rebrand. Really,
they're now called the Supernovas, which is very clever.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
So you hated him? Why how old were you both?
First of all, I.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Would have been twenty one one.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, I would twenty three twenty four. So I met.
I remember we were in the car park in Sydney
and Piedmont where the station still is, and I remember
like people had talked to me about Nathan, and I
just remember this big guy walking towards him. His hair
was a lot more blonder then and he was.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Just like high overcombed Jimmy do I good fining, meet you,
Welcome to Sydney.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Just so much energy and they still have and I
don't have that level of I'm got a very pick
and choose.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yes, I get that many times A.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Tattook Golden retriever, but without tattoos.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I just didn't have anyone like that in my life,
that really big energy guy. And I was like, I
just never gonna like this guy anyway, Warm me down.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
What was your impression?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
My impression of everybody when I first meet them is
how lovely are they? Which is nice, it is until
you know, I realized that some people aren't who I
thought they were straight away.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's very golden retreat.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's very golden retriever. If you have like a little
shiny toy in your hand out, we'll run towards you.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And I mean that was the same with Jim. Every
time there was a new person that came on, I
wanted them to feel a part of the family because
we had we had built as corny as it sounds,
we had built a little family that we would you know,
we would work together with and then we'd kind of
go out with because we were in those years. We
were you know, we were going out buying a goon
bag and you know that was it a now fifteen
dollars an hour. And then same thing to Jim was

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being like, okay, he's a little bit quiet, but I
was like, I'll break those walls down I will see
the real hymn. He also had a top knot, which
I didn't love at the time when I first met him.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Choice, Yeah, I've had a lot of hairst It was
the first.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Bit of feedback I've ever given him was let's lose
the top knot and then you did shaved it off.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
They went to shaved head. Yeah, I've had shaved head,
bleached blonde hair, I've had it all.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's the one time you ever listened to me twelve
years ago.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
How did you become mates?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
What are the sign posts of mate chip between two guys.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
The thing that really actually impressed me with Nath was,
I think because I had an interest in media at
the time, that was why I moved to Sea. I
had never really met anyone in my life that had
the work ethic that Nath did. I was super impressed.
I was like, this guy constantly shows up, he's finishing
his law degree, he would do anything. I was like, Wow,
I was really impressed by that. But I was also
taken back because in this industry, I feel a lot

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of times people had taken advantage of and Nathan was
being taken advantage of. He was doing everything at that
business like for everyone, and I was like, and I
just remember we having a beer once and I was like,
what do you want to do though, and he's like,
I want to be on air, like I want to
have a show.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And I was like, I think I first said ah,
bit of this, bit of that.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, like all of it, and You're like, I remember you, like,
I want to do one because you had the community
show with Coxy. You're done as part of it.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So my degree was media communications and law, and as
part of the media communication side, had to go and
do an internship. And my dream was always to be
on Getaway. I always want to be on Getaway. I
used to watch Jewels Laden and I was like that
guy goes to like Thailand and like swims in pools
and gets paid. I was like, let me be that.
And then we had to do an internship. And one
of my other best friends, my Jimmy. Before Jimmy, he

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had sent me a thing online for nov they were
looking for an intern like unpaid internship, and I was like,
how good is this? Went for it didn't get it
and I was like, oh okay, and then so I
went I applied for this one two I.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Didn't get the unpaid intern.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Did you get it? That didn't get it?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
What a brutal blow, But it is because I mean
that's how we all started in media.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Absolutely, and then some of the didn't get it me.
So I was like, well, stuff these I'm going to
go to two r DJ, which was a Burwood community
station that only broadcast to the Burwood Library Niche audience.
This is without a word of a lie. At one
point we when I did a show there, there was
only four people listening and three of those people were
called Betty. Three of the four people will called Betty

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in the library.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
What did that teach you?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Humility? Yeah, humility being the big one, but also the
importance of when you do get the foot in the door,
although it was a you know, a creaky old door
at the back of like a I think it was
like a church or something in Burwood, to just do
everything you can to make that the best product possible,
because I mean, we were playing CDs. We couldn't go
to ads at any point, so you just had to

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talk or you had to be okay just loading the cassette.
And that's where it started.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
So what year was this that you guys started to Become.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Mates twenty fourteen, fourteen.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, when we you first on air.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Together September twenty sixth, twenty fifteen. I know because my
dad made a mug.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
In every creative partnership, you do fall into roles in
terms of who does what heavy lifting and what you
each contribute, and sometimes that's unwritten and just works itself out.
How did you navigate that at the beginning? Who was
doing what well?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean to go back to the very very start
and the naming of the show was, you know, the
first official decision that we had to make. To answer
your question me, like the roles that we developed, we
just fell into them because we came up from two
different sides of the business. But that first decision, when
we're at two IDJ, we were sitting there doing this
drive show with June looking through the window and she

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told us that we were laughing too much, that needed
to be more serious. That was the first ever air check.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
We got was from June was very serious.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
That Our first ever talk break, and we do have
it somewhere was to decide what do we call the show?
Is it called Nathan Jimmy because it had been Nathan
Coxy or do we call it Jimmy naighth and true
story in that exact moment, live on the air. Because
we couldn't go to ads, couldn't do anything. Jimmy downloaded
one of those love Calculator apps and typed in Jimmy
and nath and then typed in Nathan. Jimmy Nathan Jimmy

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came up like four percent compatibility Jimmy eighth ninety eight
point nine percent. So we're like, that's the show. That's
how we name Wow.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a beautiful ourighin story. Love Calculator. Tell me about
how your friendship has developed in parallel to your working relationship.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I mean, at times it's made it easier and at
times it's made it difficult.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Start with it easier.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Easy stuff is we've grown up a lot, you know,
in the last ten twelve years or whatever with each other.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
How are you both now thirty one?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I'm thirty four.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, so it's been around ten years years. Happy anniversary,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Where's the case.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think there's beauty in having my best friend around
as much as I do. As I've gotten older, and
you know, friends have gotten into relationships, marriages, kids, et cetera.
You know more work responsibilities. I don't see my friends
as much as I grow older, I know that every
day I'm still going to see my best mate. You know,
we have work, and my dad always said to me,

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find a job you love. You'll never work a day
in your life. That's fucking wrong. There are days where
this is hard, like hard work.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
For someone who hasn't listened to your show, can you
describe it how it is now?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
It's escape isn't really joy joy. I think when we
started it it was just we wanted to make each
other laugh. That was probably because we had that common
like stuff that we found funny. And then from that
we discover that, you know, people have this real sense
of joy and escape ism and I found out to
have depression and anxiety. It's something I've had in my
whole life, but I found that out through the journey

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of radio as well. And part of this show that
we created, which I love, is that you know, life's
really hard, like it's hard. We just hope that whether
people tune in for one show or a podcast a
week a month, find us on the socials, whatever it
is just gives them a laugh, smile on their face.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's one of the one of the most difficult conversations
we ever had with the content director was about five
six years ago, and we sat down with him and
he was quite influential, and we were very nervous to
meet this guy. And we sat down with him and
he said to us, who you're targeting, what's the target
of Jimmy at who you're going after? Who's your demographic?
And we replied, everybody. We want everybody. Why I put

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one line in when we can throw a whole net
in And he goes stupid, who's your demographic? Is it
blokes like you? You're going after blokes? And we're like, no, no, no,
we want to go after everybody. We want to provide
content that can capture eight to eighty sorry about seven
and eighty one, but you know, we want to throw
that wide net out.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Tough stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
But we've never understood it just going after I mean,
the importance of demographics is there for sales, and I
get that side, but we've never understood the point in
creating contents solely, particularly in radio, which is accessible to everybody, solely,
you know, targeted at one particular area or one particular demographic,
when you know, we want to be number one overall,
so we try and balance our content to do so.

(12:30):
You know, we might talk about sport at one point,
and then we might you know, talk about gossip or
Taylor Swift or something to hit that you know, that
gen z area. There's so many different tweaks that we
make in our content to ensure that it is accessible
for everybody. And you have a.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Podcast as well, bloody hell, stop cutting my grass. What's
your podcast about?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, that's called Born Funny where we sit down long
form chat to funny people deep if we.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Catch up with that. Born Funny is about us catching
up with the world's funniest people and figuring out if
they were born funny or if it's something that they've
picked up and developed along the way. And it's not
just stand up comedians or comics or TV stars, it's athletes,
it's authors.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, it's it be funny to start with.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Most of the time we asked them at the start
of the podcast, do you think you were born funny?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
And do their whole life?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Ninety eight percent of the time they changed their answer
by the end.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
You mentioned before, Jimmy that you guys shared values. Can
you tell me what those values are.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I think work ethic is a big one, and I
know that was one of the first things jim brought up.
We met in an industry that we all passionate about
and something that we wanted to grow in and to
be a part of for hopefully a long time, and
we needed that other person to be, you know, a
cog in allowing us to achieve that, and we didn't
have that. So from the outset that was the number

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one thing that we shared. Do we like radio, yes,
Do we want to have a career in this yes?
Do we work hard? Yes? That was the initial three
foundations of Jimmy Nah, because I had done shows and
I worked on the street team with different people before
who were kind of like had one foot in, one
foot out. They're like, oh, yeah, this kind of works whatever,
but also like kind of like writing and doing TV
stuff and music, which is fine and that's great, but

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I needed somebody who was going to be like me
because I have no other skills, right, I can only
really talk talk and be creative. I don't I can't
play music, I can't act, I can't do any of
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Did you get your law degree?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
In the end, I did get law degree. It took
a very long time be lawyer. Oh I'd like to
think of myself as the lawyer of the gym.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Nation, which Snaith would stop saying in meetings on the
in house council for Jimmy days and being like, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I'm still One of my favorite jokes is let me
check with legal, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Also that I've never been to school, never ever been
to university.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
There's still people in our business that go like, take
him seriously, Oh yeah, And I'm like, no.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
When I ask you guys questions, you come back to
work all the time. But when I'm talking about values,
work ethic is one, but I'm thinking of other kinds
of values.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
A big thing Nathan and I on trying to empower
others and maybe give people who don't have a voice
the voice. And it's interesting when you say that, you
ask us those questions and we come back to work.
And something I've you know, and still trying to unravel
and do is we've put so much of ourselves into this.
I don't think Nathan and I know where Jimmy, James Smith,

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nath Nathan Roy begin and where it ends in terms
of work and life. It's so intertwined, which is difficult.
And I am somewhat jealous of Nay's relationship with his wife.
They met on the street team at Nova before Nath
and I met, and she has been with Nath over

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that journey and being able to see and navigate that.
And I've made terrible decisions in my own life that
haven't allowed me to have that, like what depression anxiety,
not knowing I've had it and knowing I've had it,
made terrible decisions with drugs and alcohol and trying to
self medicate that, hurting ex partners, cheating on them, making
terrible decisions. I wish I hadn't done those things, you know.

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That's put it in a more difficult position now. And
the partner I have at the moment is amazing, and
I love Charlotte very much and I'm very hopeful of it.
And I'm still trying to work through that because there
are times where I'm doing things or saying things and
she's even looking at me, going that's a work that
there needs to be some sort of separation there.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
There needs to be a separation between what is the
Jimmy and a show and what is work and being
able to switch off and get away from.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
That and create boundaries for something that we've had to
learn as well.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
There hasn't been boundaries.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
More with Jimmy and nath and me after a short break.
Where's an example of where there hasn't been boundaries and
it's come back to bite you.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I'd say more recently, it's being on the phone and
still posting on a weekend and checking in on socials,
looking at an email. Because Nathan and I are friends,
We'll still want to talk about rugby league or something
like we're sports fans, but that conversation will bleed back
to work. And I've had conversations with many psychologists about

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this app Whatever our workplace is or whatever our work is,
our brain releases chemicals into the brain, right because it's like,
you know, if you're working onto a job site, once
you step onto that job site, ain actually flooded with
the chemicals. It's like we're on today, this is what
we're at right. So for Nathan and I, yes, there's
the studio and you could say stepping into there, but
opening my phone and posting some something on social media

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and opening the jim and eighth. Instagram is also flooding
my brain with that same chemical when I talk to
nath and it's about rugby league, but then it transitions
to he's like, did you see that email? So they
want us to do this thing. Chemical release into my
brain and I think I mentioned earlier, I don't have
as much battery as Naith does, and I will be
drained and I will come home and I will sit
next to my partner and I just have nothing to

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offer her, and it breaks my heart.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I listened to your podcast with doctor Sandra. I can't
remember her surname, and I wanted to bring this up,
and Jimmy provided the perfect leading there when she talks about,
you know, the draining of social battery, and the people
that drain your social battery are the ones that are
closest to you. We love each other the bits we
have best friends, but fuck, we drain each other so much.

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Me particularly because I am you know, apolloder gate constantly
and I'm you know, I love creating big things and
my like, you know, people do stupid things when they
have a few drinks on a weekend. My stupid thing
when I have a few drinks on a weekend is
to email some sort of brand and pitch them a
radio idea.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Oh, I.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Hear so like true story on my Honeymoon, on my
after the wedding on my honeymoon, which is only months ago.
Jim noses because they did on the show. We were
in Hamilton Island and I was sitting there with my
wife and we had, like, you know, a few bottles
of pino Noa. We're sitting there and I was on
my phone. She goes, what are you doing? And I
was just like, I've just and Taylor Swift was in town.
I was like, I've just come up with a great idea,
and she goes, are you fucking doing work? She goes,

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show me your phone And I had sent this huge
message about that long to Suzuki Australia True story after
a few bottles of red white, and I had pitched
them when Taylor Swift came to Sydney, because they've got
the Suzuki Swift, why don't we do a thing called
the Swift Lifts. And Jimmy and I could start a
convoy and get pick all these people up in Suzuki
Swift and drive them out to a Core Stadium and

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watch Taylor Swift and Meg's like, are you fucking kidding?
We are on our honeymoon, and we did do it
on the show and Suzuki left me on red for
a bit, but then they came back, which is nice.
But you can't turn that off exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I get that because that's me, right, and I exhaust people.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I drain people.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I drained. That's such a good way thinking of it.
I drain people's batteries. And then conversely, when you've got
someone that you love who vibrates at a different frequency,
like Jimmy and like everybody else in my life, that
drains my battery. That can drain my battery, absolutely, because
I get fed by being around people who are like me.

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But then also even I get tired of me, I
drain my own battery.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I don't know about you, I absolutely do. And that's
why I mean ginspekes so well about it, for I'm
so lucky you talk about the reason, you know, while
we are so close and we have values that we share,
but because we have values that we don't share, that
improves me as a human as well. Like what so
the ability to put up boundaries and step back. Not
everything needs to be a big thing. You don't need

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to reach out to everybody. You can be okay when
Suzuki leaves you on Red and not being like the
show is fucked. No one's into us. No one wants
to do a Taylor Swift idea because that's I'm either
all up here or if it doesn't happen, it's doom
and gloom.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's all over, which is where you live a lot
of the time. Yes, in doom and gloom. And then
anxiety is different to being up because I also have that.
That's awful. Anxiety is awful.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
We had a lunch in the calendar last week week
before and team was due. Jared is here today, Nay,
everyone in our team and so we pre recorded the
Friday night show so we could go to this lunch.
It was just Sony. We love Sony. It was celebrating
some of the work we've done with their artists. I'm
going to sit down and have a nice lunch, boozy lunch,
talk about some ideas. I woke up Friday morning. My

(20:57):
left hand shakes so badly when I'm anxious and just
could not get out of bed, could not get out
of bed, and it's the worst fucking feeling. And it
was even worse because I'd burnt myself two weeks with
so much. We'd had so many events, so many things
with the show, all this extra stuff, and my partner
wanted to do something for Friday night and I just
I couldn't. I couldn't do anything. And then it's like,

(21:20):
why did I do all this other stuff in the
person that I, you know, with no offense to night,
Like nath is my best mate, but here's someone I
love and care about and I want to be better
for her. I can't get out of bed and go
to the event. I can't even be around her, Like,
I can't fucking do anything.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
It's just what do you do?

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Text? So there's a part in the brain that works
the gratitude thing of like, but you can't just think
of it because you know, when you're own head and
there's all the chemicals. So I physically write down the
things that I'm thankful for, and that you know, starts
to slow me down. I meditate, try and control my breathing,
and then unfortunately part of that is just rest. Like
I can't then try and force myself, and you know,
I have to explain that to my partner and tell Nathan,

(21:55):
I'm like, I actually do need some time away from
everyone because my battery will get recharged from being away
from everybody, which is difficult as well. So that's, you know,
also something I'm trying to manage in that I have
to look at my calendar constantly to be like, I'm
gonna need to put some space in there where i
can just slow down to be able not just to
do the work stuff, but also be able to do
my life stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean, you talk about, you know, putting boundaries in
and stuff as well, and I've had to learn this.
You know, my Jim mentioned her before, but my wife
Meg is the most incredible human being on the planet,
hands down, and I will fight anybody who argues. She
has been you know, with me as long as you know,
Jim and I have been together, has watched that journey,
has seen the highs and lows between us commercially as

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a business, seen our success, and she has this incredible
ability to know, not it sounds cliche, but to put
things into this wonderful perspective for me as well. So
when I'm carrying this stress or anxiety or anything from
work and I come back to her. God, she just
has this unbelievable ability to you know, hear perfectly, but
then also kind of justify why I've done something, but

(23:01):
also explain how I don't have to react in a
certain way or don't have to do that kind of thing.
A bit of backstory on her. She has cissy fiber
and she was the first Australian to summit Matt Kilimanjaro
in Africa. We see her right a quite literally a
high achiever. Cissy fibrosis is a illness that you can't see,

(23:24):
but it operates internally and it impacts one of two
things or both, either pancreas or the lungs. In makes condition,
it impacts both the pancreas and the lungs, to the
point where people describe the way she breathes as like
breathing through a straw. So when we take a big
breath in, we can fit our lungs, we can exhale
as everyone normally does. With her, every time she takes

(23:47):
a big breath in, it'd be like breathing through a straw.
That's how much she can fill her lungs every single time,
and then her pancreas on the other side of things.
Finds it very difficult to break down food and draw
nutrients out of that food. So she has you know
a plethora of different medications and things that she needs
to do, and her diligence towards that is part and
parcel in why her health is so incredible. We've done

(24:08):
so many different things on the show that have allowed
us to showcase, you know, the work that she does
in that. Like there was a tricafter which was a
new drug that came in that quite literally saved a
lot of people's lives with cissy fibrosis, and she was
at the forefront of you know, helping her bring that
to the country and we raise money for it with Kilimajara.
But you know, doing that kind of stuff on the
show allows me to intermix my personal life and the

(24:32):
show in such a beautiful way.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
What does it mean, nath given her condition when you
guys plan your future together.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
It's a difficult one. It's a very difficult one, and
it's one that we've kind of, you know, we've had
to have hard conversations about a lot, to the point
where you know, I hate thinking anything negatively and stuff.
As you can probably kind of gather with me. So
it's something that I've had to be better with and
be able to sit there and, you know, look at
her and be realistic about where our life could potentially go.

(25:02):
And she won't mind me talking about this, but we've
had tests and stuff done so when we you know,
we want kids pretty soon. If I carried the CF
gene and she carried the c F gene, then we
would have to, for safety reasons, go through IVF. Luckily
I don't carry the CF gene and she does, which
means I did it. Guys really good for our mom
and dad, which means that we can conceive a child

(25:22):
that doesn't have cisic fibrosis. All the risk is incredibly low.
But we have to have those conversations.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Is she able to carry a pregnancy? She is?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
She is, but it needs to happen sooner rather than later.
So yeah, she wouldn't be able to do it later
on in life.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
We'll finish up soon. I don't want to get in
the way that she and.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
She loves this podcast, so we will be having it
on me.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's good. Think of me, Jimmy. It's better than thinking of.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
You, which is what I normally know.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Exactly exactly after the break. What happens when your best
mate gets married and there's three of you in this relationship.
I want to ask about your relationship with Meg because
the relationship of a best friend and a partner is
an interesting one. How have you navigated that? What's been

(26:19):
the kind of milestones in your relationship with her?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Look, you know, she's an incredible woman, you know, not
just her battles with Sissi fhibrosis ors, you know, which
she's done professionally as well. And early in the relationship,
you know, really trying to be around and be there.
But as we've gotten older, I actually think it's been
more healthy to step away from it. Look, it's been difficult,
I think not. I think. I know as Nathan and

(26:45):
I again have gotten older, and you know, you put
so much into your career, but putting stuff into my
career means also putting things into night and vice versa.
For him to invest in Jimy and eighth, it also
means investing in me. And there are times that I
have not had growth with certain things because I haven't
need to the things that I have lacked. Nate has
provided give me an example dealing with depression anxiety in

(27:07):
those real low moments. Because Nathan that gold matruver and
he's all up at about and we were living together
and doing the show, I never had to face those
real hard low moments because he's always on. So rather
than sit with my thoughts, sit with my emotions, sit
in my feelings, I'm like, I could just sit in
the couch with him, play golf with him, just put
myself next to him. And also Nathan and I have

(27:29):
discovered that he has no internal monologue, so I'm always.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Like a granddad may like I will drive somebody.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
My brain like voice, just no voices in me.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Just say what I see. Like if we're driving past
the petrol station, it's like fifty for like diesel. I
don't even drive a fucking diesel car. I'll go Pasca.
Diesel's expensive.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Oh so you've got no filters into brain fall straight out.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
There's no voice in his head talking to him.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Too, there's no inside your head voice.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, because again, like he's constantly talking, he's constantly happy,
and he always wants to do something like play a game,
do something, provide an escape. So when yeah, when I
was you know, struggling, I just was like I just
need to spend more time with him. I don't have
to think because I'm listening to his voice. We're physically
doing something, and then you're exhausted by the time you
go to bed.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So you know, you're exhausted by the time you go
to bed, And do you also find it tiring being
around him when he's low?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It was?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, it was. I mean, especially you know, as.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Much as you enjoy talking to yourself, Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Lower. So I'm giving him nothing, so I've got a Yeah,
that's really exhausting.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
It was, but I didn't see it as exhausting because
I saw it as trying to help, you know, my
best friend who needed help. There would be times me
or we were doing breakfast radio at the time, and
we would be talking up until one two am, and
it would just be asked, just talking back and forth.
And at the infancy of you know, Jimmy, you know,
starting his journey with mental health and depression and anxiety,

(28:54):
I was also at the start of my journey with
that as well, in understanding what it was doing to
my best friend. And I had no idea, like to
the point where I'd sit there and go, yeah, maybe
maybe just like need a sleep more or maybe you
need it. In my heart, I was like I want to,
you know, provide this guy with you know, like what
makes me happy. Maybe let's go get pizza. Did you

(29:14):
want pizza? It took me many, many years, and you know,
I now see a psychologist as well, to upskill myself
in certain different ways. But it took so much learning,
Like he lied on me for certain things. But I
have and absolutely still do rely on Jim for so
many different things. The main thing being because the thing
that Jim you know, still taught me and something that

(29:35):
has helped me grow as a person particularly, you know,
not just in work, but just in life, is to
stand up for myself a little bit. Like I mean,
I've always been a hustler, that's true, but I've never
been a fighter. When it comes to know more awkward
conversations like asking him for more money, gott want to
be like yeah, yeah, absolutely and people I've.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Just seen people be mean to him, just nasty.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, and take it. You learn to absolutely to bite
like the dog that you have in your first that
time drew blood twice, you're gone it again. People learned
something that that I had to learn and some that
Jim's taught me, and I feel like I'm slowly getting
better at it. Yeah, But was just to be okay
when I'm having a tougher conversation with particularly a superior

(30:19):
or asking for more money or better conditions or a
better team which will get one day who pays for parking?
And to be okay when, as Jim said, if somebody
you know doesn't shine to me in the way that
I would hope that they would shine to me. And
to deal with, you know, negative, I've always been okay

(30:39):
with negative feedback. But it's always been like when somebody
has angry yea.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, Jimmy, you talk about your journey with mental health,
it's usually not something that turns up later in life.
It's often the seeds are sown way before you realize it.
Speaking from personal.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Experience, wasn't it always been there?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Until I was in my thirties that I realized I'd
had anxiety in my whole life and was diagnosed. How
were you diagnosed?

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, definitely something I dealt with my entire life. For me, drugs,
alcohol was self medicating one of the hardest things. I mean,
I've spoken a lot about this to you and your audience,
so just try to articulate it well enough. I do
struggle with talking about it though. I find I have
to talk about it if I talk about in the
radio show when I'm in a better place than being
completely honest with you. I'm not a great place right now.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Do you want to not talk about it?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I like to talk about it, and I've been trying
to talk about it more when I'm not in a
good place because I feel like i can better explain
how I'm feeling and a lot of people don't do that.
And I've spoken about it because unfortunately, those people that
have depression anxiety take their own life. There's over eight
people a day that take their own life in Australia,
and unfortunately that I get to talk about it because
they take their life and it's someone, yeah, their family

(31:50):
and friend that talks about it. For me, a lot
of the drugs and alcohol was self sabotaging. Life was
good and I felt really shit, so I was like,
I need to go do something shit because when life
isn't great and I would have these down moments, I
was okay with it in a way because I'm like,
I'm not where I want to be professionally on my
relationship isn't great. There's a reason as to why I'm

(32:11):
feeling like this. So when I'm up and things are
flying and I feel really shitty, I'm like, gotta do
something shitty because this is just not sitting well with me.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's such a revelation, and I imagine it's almost like
that lifestyle manifestation of self harm where it's like you
want your outsides to match your insides.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yep, so that you had been something I'd been doing
a long time exercise as well. When we're doing the
breakfast radio show. I'd get up at three am every morning,
go to the gym first, but you know, I'd also
be out on a weekend bendering till you know, six, seven,
eight nine in the morning.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Used to run yourself into the ground, just yeah, bern like.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I do F forty five after the show. Then I'd
do Pilartis in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Like I was just looking for those endorphins, Yes.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Just chasing the high. That was what the you know,
destroying myself and then I needed to try and get
the endorphins back. Nathan and I were having conversations, you
know around the days are you okay, day November, all
these different things. I have the November taty on my
finger because it was a November conversation I was having
where we're sitting there, were chatting to someone and I
was like, I know what it was, just clicked them

(33:10):
with that. No, that's me, that's actually me. I am
depressed and I'm very anxious. So went to my GP,
spoke to him. He put me on a mental health plan,
got to see a psychologist. How old were you at
this stage, oh, in Hobot's a twenty six seven.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Remember when we had that, we had this conversation. I mean,
I know we've already spoken about it when we'd have
those you know, hour long conversations at home because I
didn't really know what he needed to hear. And it
got to the point where we were having these conversations
so frequently, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth,
where he's like, you know, maybe I need to sleep more,
maybe I need to, you know, go out more. Maybe
I need to jerk off more, maybe I need to
all these different things that we were trying to figure out.

(33:47):
And it got to the point where I said to you,
I was like, mate, I think you need to talk
to somebody who knows more. And that hurt me to say,
because I was like, I can't help him. I can't
help my best mate. I can't provide him what he needs.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
But why would you ever think that you could?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Because I was so naive. I was so naive, and.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
So neither of you had, like you did have experience
of in your family with your mates, no one that
knew going to therapy. It wasn't something that was even
on the radar with you guys.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
No. I grew ub in going to India in the
country and you.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Know, not a big therapy town.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
No, No, the opposite of progressive. And my parents are
still there. You didn't have any of these conversations. My
family never had a history of alcoholism as well. In
my family, there is depression in my family. A lot
of bad black dogs.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Your dad's dad took his life.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Right, that was nad Yeah, my dad's your.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Dad's dad took his own life. So what did you
know about depression?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, we never spoke about it. Never. Even to this day,
we still don't speak about it like it's something that
you know. It comes up every now and then, and
my all my family are so incredible, and they're an
extension of me. Jimmy fucking He finds it so funny
because when we're like, he's come over Christmas and stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
But just a whole house of golden retriever.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Is Mum, my dad, my sister and me, same person,
same person. And Dad's like this big, gentle giant. But
I could count on one hand how many times we've
spoken about Gerard his dad, no idea, Like, all I
know is that he put a gun in his mouth.
That's all I know.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Day's dad spoke to me at nace Bucks party, grabbed
me and we walked away and had a conversation and
it wasn't really an apology as such. And I don't
have children, and you know, we were raised by our parents,
and then we make decisions based upon that the stuff
that they did that was good, the stuff that they

(35:43):
did was bad. How I'm going to do it differently.
And he said to me, something awful happened to me
and happened to my father. And all I ever wanted
to do was just have my kids in the most positive,
uplifting household. And he's like, and I don't know if
that's been hard as well.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Which he did, by the way, like I'm so lucky
that I.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Could, and I hugged him and we were both sort
of teary and nice dad reaches out. That's a set.
It's hard when people reach out. Sometimes you're not a
great spot because sometimes you don't talk about it. But no,
Dad has reached out to me times to talk and
we could sit here, and you know, it's easy to
play those things about, like maybe Nate's dad has conversations
with him, But Nathle also saved me plenty of times,
and I was super low and he was just happy,

(36:26):
and sometimes you need that. You just need someone who's
just you know, we did have conversations, but there are
plenty of times where we didn't. You just need someone
to have a laugh and go for a walk or
sit next to Everyone can do it, and it's just
one of the worst things about you know, our brain,
like should have, could have would I've spent a lot
of time at Nace's house and with his family and
now the most positive people you'll ever meet. And sometimes

(36:47):
it's insufferable, Dad, but a lot of the time, like
you need it, Like I'll be honest, there are times
when you know I still get low and it's just
nice to be around my happy golden retriever. You ever
patted a dog, They're fucking lovely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I was thinking about this before because you know, obviously
we've been on this unbelievable you know, journey of highs
and lows with Jim and the struggles that you faced
and the bravery that he show on air to talk
about this stuff, which is it's just so important, like
it is so important, and the messages we get and
the emails that we get when Jim opens up about
that is it's unbelievable. And people sharing their stories in

(37:21):
a way that you know that these people have never
said this before, and they're emailing two complete fucking strains.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm jumping in for a second because I want to
play you a piece of audio from Jimmy and Nath's
radio show. Recently, Jimmy spoke about the suicide of professional
golf for a guy called Grayson Murray. And here's a
portion of what Jimmy shared on air.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
You might be asking yourself, why is Jimmy talking about
this to start the show? This didn't even happen here
in Australia. To answer, honestly, I don't know. I didn't
know Grayson. Maybe it's because I love golf. Maybe it's
because I suffer from depression and anxiety myself. But if
I'm being really honest, it's because my biggest fear is

(38:04):
one day I will take my own life. Eight point
six Australians die every day by side, that's over eight
Australians every day, seventy five percent of those who take
their own life for mail and suicide is the leading
cause of death for Australians between the ages of fifteen
and forty four. So when you ask yourself, why Isimy

(38:26):
talking about this, it's because it needs to stop.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Oh you can really hear the anger and the fear
and the sorrow in Jimmy's voice. And this video went viral.
It had an undeniable impact, reached millions of people, which
is amazing. But for Jimmy, of course, there's a cost
to sharing so much of himself with the public. Let's
go back to our.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Conversation Grayceome Murray videos getting three four million views, that's
just on Instagram. That's tough. I've been getting stopped in
the street more. You know, the gym people come up
to me coffee shop, and that's, like I said, when
I'm already struggling, it's I probably don't want to do anymore.
I mean, I'm happy to obviously have this conversation, you
know better in terms of the radio show and that,

(39:08):
like and the socials, I'm like, I just need a
break from it sometimes because I hope that I help people,
but it's everyone. People just come up to you and
they don't they don't know anyone. They don't they've suffering
themselves with depression, anxiety or some sort of mental health issue,
or they've known someone who's suffered and someone that's sadly
taking their ownenough. Like I said, it's over eight people
a day that's still doing that in his country. They

(39:28):
finally can see someone and they can be like, I
want to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
When Jim opens up about that. What I was saying is,
you know, obviously they message him, but a lot of
the time they call me and they ask how easy
can we do anything for him? Is he okay? And
all that kind of stuff. Two weeks ago, a close
friend of ours she called me and I was like, oh,
she's gonna ask about Jim, like you know, all that
kind of stuff. I was like, hey, how are you,
and she goes, hey, I just want to make sure

(39:53):
you're okay. How are you? I just cried. I just
balled my eyes and I don't know why. I didn't
know why, and she goes, you're okay, and I was like,
no one asked me that before, and you know, when
you didn't know you needed to be asked a question
until you're asked that question. And I was like, I've
been so used to, you know, looking after my best
mate and making sure he's okay, and of course my

(40:14):
wife as well, and you know, as dad was being
like a caretaker and trying to offer as much as
myself to the people around me as possible as somebody
who has a you know, no internal monologue and kind
of just says things all the time. I'd never check in,
never with myself. Never.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I will say I'm proud of Nathan that, you know,
recently started seeing a psychologist. And it's something I've literally
spoken about a lot, is that it's not just people
who are you severely depressed or anxious. It's one of
the most wonderful things to chat to someone completely outside
of your own circle in your.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Own how anyone gets through life with you don't need
to have a diagnosed mental illness to it.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know, anyone listening, I would employ you, even if
in your own head, if you're like, you know, I'm fine,
go and talk to somebody, even if you are. Because
I went in there and I sat down with my psychologist,
who her name's Jane, and she's fucking unbelievable. And I
sat down with her and she goes, why are you here?
And I was like, I don't know, and she has
just unlocked so many different things, and I think I

(41:13):
eventually gave the answer was like, I want to improve myself.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I want to be a better best friend and a
better co host. I want to be a better husband.
I want to be a better brother to my sister,
a son to my you know, my mum and dad.
I want to I want to be better. I don't
know how it can be better. That's your job, Jane,
make me better.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
And Jim and I again, we've we've spoken at length
about this as well. And I would, you know, I
would implore as somebody who ironically ten years ago told
him to go and see somebody. It took me a
long time to do what I was saying to other people.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I think you've got to do it in your thirties
so that you can enjoy your forties. Yeah, that's my experience.
I want to ask you about women. Yeah, something that
there used to be and very much. This is why
I'm a bit about radio is that it used to
just be such a sexist. It's still such a male
dominated part of the industry, which is why podcasts have
just been such a wonderful place for women to flourish,

(42:04):
because every gatekeeper in radio tends to be a man,
and most of the hosts tend to be guys. Now,
what's interesting to me is that you guys are very blokey,
but you are real feminists. I don't know if you
would identify as feminists.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Ironically, we've got our ratings the other day and our
biggest audience is the twenty five to fifty five female.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Why do you think that is.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I mean, we make content choices, as I mentioned earlier
on the show in the hours, and but again we're
not women, so any content even like, I'm not an
older person, I don't have kids, but you you, I've
always tried to have as many conversations as I can
with other people, so you learn about other people. I
can't walk on your shoes. I don't know who you am,
but I can sit there and I can listen. I

(42:51):
can understand, or at least hope to what makes you tick,
what you like, what you don't like, so as to
why they do. I mean, we again, we hope for
everyone to listen. But you know it's nice. I think
you know, we are feminists. You know, we try to
have conversations. Unfortunately, men tend to only listen to men.
And you know that's why Nathan and I, as two
straight white men and our privilege, we need to be

(43:11):
having conversations that are difficult to have so that other
men listen and go, oh, maybe you're talking about it.
It might be And I think that's what also women
respond to.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know, we've touched on it a bit so far
since we've been chatting to But we're so lucky because
we have some phenomenal women in our life who continue
to shape who we are. And you know, we make
jokes on air and stuff, but they're they're better than us.
They are all better than us, Like my wife Meg,
Jim and I we many times on air, like she

(43:41):
is just a better person. She's funnier, she's smarter. And
I said this in my wedding vowls, and Jim knows
because we're standing right next to me. I said something
along the lines of, like, you know, people have mentors
in their life that they look up to. They might
be in their industry. They might be a professional sports
star or Lebron James, or if you're in comedy, you
Hannah Gadsby or someone like that. Not only do I

(44:02):
have a mentor in my life, it's somebody that I
got to meet. It's somebody that I see every day,
and it's somebody that I'm about to marry and have sex.
And well, I mean, I hope fingers crossed.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's interesting what you say because it's also about being
a role model for boys, because I'm the mother of
a fifteen year old and also a twenty seven year
old son and an eighteen year old daughter. But in
terms of role models for young men, Andrew Tait is
front center. Not for my son, but he's certainly dominant.
And you wouldn't find a teenage boy who didn't know

(44:33):
his name and who hasn't seen his content. What's your
view about that?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
It's repulsive, really, and there's a reason that name has
never even been said on our show.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Why do you think he's so popular and how do
we counteract it?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think it's about conversations because there is a.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Large systematic change in education.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
But there is a large part of me that you know,
I open social media and I see comments around Andrew
Tate and kids following him in these pages about you know,
how to be a real man and what you're to do,
whether that be on Twitter or x what it's called
TikTok Instagram. Right exists, I would say, as someone to
grow up in a small country town that existed, right,
there were these misogynistic views about how we viewed women

(45:18):
and looked at them, and I definitely held some of
those views because the men in my life and around
me had those views.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
And you hadn't been exposed to other ones.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
So you'd see that. The reason that it changed for
me was traveling was a big part. You know, moving
to Brisbane, which probably doesn't sound like much, but then
moving overseas as well and traveling. I was always interested
in having conversations and meeting people, and if I would
say something or make a joke at the expense of
a woman or someone. There were people around me that
held me accountable and they would go hey. They wouldn't

(45:47):
say don't do it. They would always say why are
you doing that? Why are you saying that? And it
was the way they phrased that that I was like, oh, no,
isn't this funny? And they're like is it? And then
I'd like ruminate on it and you'd be like, no,
it's not.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Because like the old sexist humor jokes, all of that
kind of stuff, you had to unlearn that.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yes, right, So that tells me that where we are now,
as someone who's unlearned it is that these kids are
learning it from social media, right, That must be where
they're learning it or the men in their life somewhere.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
It also shows me that they're capable of unlearning it.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
That keeps correct right, So that where to me it
comes back to there is some confusion as to they're
learning it somewhere, So we need to have conversations. So
we need to get into schools, social media wherever they
are at a young enough age to have a conversation
and not you know, this sounds fucked but at times
when you yell at a man going on. But if

(46:43):
we're at a part of something and someone says or
does something, hey, mate, what are you doing there? Why
why are you saying that? Right that? Don't say that,
that tends to lead to a conversation and positive change.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
We had We had a conversation me or with a
psychologist who came on the other day. I'm going to
get this wrong, but she did say something along the
lines of, you know, with the unbelievably horrible things that
are happening to women in this country and largely around
the world, you know, there is a growth in the
amount of men who are acknowledging that this is an issue,
that there's an issue that needs to be addressed. A

(47:13):
lot of these people going, yes, there's an issue. What
they aren't doing is realizing that it's their issue. They're saying, yes,
there's an issue, but I'm not going it's nothing to
do with that.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
That's my issue.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
It's like, yeah, holy shit, that house is burning. God,
that house is burning. But I didn't put I'm well, it's.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
That's a shame.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
But I can see it, I can see I acknowledge it,
and they think just by acknowledging it. Their job's done.
They go, oh, it's like that bullshit thing when people
go not all men, not all men are part of
the problem, but all men can be a part of
the solution. Education, calling out things, calling out things when
they see it. And I read a thing the other
day on you know, the role that men can play
in lowering the horribleness of domestic violence and people being like,

(47:54):
you know, you can use humor to be like, oh, mate,
you shouldn't be saying that. That's not enough. It's not
fucking enough. Because we talk in jokes, men talking jokes
all the time, and because we talk in jokes and
we're operating jokes all the time, we can't differentiate when
you know, the joke I'm telling he's actually has a
serious underlying meaning here. So it's not enough, it's not through.
It doesn't cut through because that's how we operate constantly

(48:17):
all the time. So if I were to sit there
and be like, oh, you shouldn't say that, you'd be like, oh, yeah, right. Anyway,
it's not enough to do that.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
So Julia Gillard spoke on the weekend, She did an
interview and she said that they've feend so many strides
forward for women in the last few decades and generations
that there's a group of disaffected young men who are
gravitating to Andrew Tate, who think that it's been at
their expense and that things have gone too far and
women have got too much. And she said, no one's

(48:44):
really asked these young boys and men, are you okay?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah? And you know why, because blokes hate sitting in uncomfortability,
They hate having that uncomfortable conversation and recognizing that, yes,
there's an issue, but they're not connecting it to being like,
this is not a women's issue. This is not a
women's issue at all. This is our issue. This is
a men's issue. And until we bridge that gap and
understand that that issue is not just an issue, it's
our issue, we're not going to have any change until

(49:11):
that bridge has been built between the two things.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
When I was talking about the mental health stuff the
other day, and I was putting it through the lens
as a man and hopefully speaking to men, because again
I mentioned those numbers and it's also seventy five percent
of people who take their own life in Australia are men.
A big thing, right is in a lot of these organizations.
You know, we're talking and talking, but I think it's
talking and listening. So it's the same thing with you know,

(49:33):
young men, and what they're saying is like it has
to be a conversation. And a lot of the things
I've discovered in moving around the country, living overseas, living
here is that men talk in statements. It's like, fuck them,
fuck this, I did that. This is what happened. Yeah
I did this thing. We don't really am I right,
we don't, yeah, don't. We don't really converse. Like you'll

(49:55):
sit at a pub even if you're watching the football
and say, oh that guy was offside. I can't leave
that call. There isn't enough actual conversation. We're not sitting
here going, you know, asking a young man, Okay, how
are they feeling? Why are they saying? Like, we don't talk.
We just say things at each other and then sote leave.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Happens all the time, to the point where you know,
we have a really close friend of ours who recently
went through a pretty bad breakup and then we went
to the parb as all mates and all that kind
of stuff, and we were there for halla at five
six hours I come home and Meg turns to me
and she goes, how is he? And you would have
heard this before. How is he?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Like?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Has it gone?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And I go, oh, yeah, he's fine. The rooster's got up,
so he's stock and he goes, you know, but what
about the relationship? Did you ask him how he was?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
And as I moved out, they still talking whatever.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
And the best bit was I did ask him how
he was. He goes, yeah, good, He goes great, awesome,
what do you want to drink?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
But also that yeah, there is we don't.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Want to sit in the young comport you okay? Yeah,
moving on?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
There is a box tick now, especially I think with
the movement around talking about it right and it's okay.
I've had bosses and Nathan Noses, one of our bosses
came up to me and after I had been open
about likely I've got two stories into the shreds, one
both on Aeoka, they both different. After I had been
open about my depression anxiety, one boss came up and

(51:13):
slapped me on the back and he goes, better, ask you, mate,
you're the depressed one. You're okay, finger guns? Give me
finger guns.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Sitting next to him.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Let this go finger guns anyway.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
A finger gunner. Wow, it was a real cowboy.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I was like, yes, real wiggle. Tried to handle that
the best I could. Another boss came up. She looked
at me, She's like caging me. Yess, how's the pointing
to her head?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Looks like depression.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Again, you know. I mean you can extend it further
than just man, you know, but it's there is a
box sick now. So you ask someone if they're okay,
even they said, and then it's done and you can
move on. But I do think a large part of
that is, yeah, a lot of the conversations and then
you'll be right without a mate in.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
A better way for them to handle that, apart from
in the completely opposite way. But literally, if you've got
someone and you want to check in without doing the
head till hey.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
The talking is I guess asking the question is part that.
So you've got to converse. So it's like, you know,
how are you feeling. I've said that to men previously,
and they have asked it, and I've seen it in
a setting. But then they're already thinking of the next
thing to say. They're like, I'm going to ask them
how they are I'm going to ask them, you know
how she are you moving out? But they haven't listened

(52:27):
to anything any follow up. No, it's just I'm prepping
the next question, prepping the next question. So that's why
when I talk about I try and add the thing
of like it's talking, but it's listening. You have to
be listening to what they're saying, because again, men don't
often get the opportunity. And I guess I'm privileged because
when I talk about it, people come up to me

(52:47):
and they will just open.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Up right privilege.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
But people will want to talk about it. They will.
They just no one's asking them. They're just waiting for
that opportunity. And I'll bet you that there have been
people that have inspired maybe what I've said or anyone said,
and they've asked a question, but they just have not listened.
And that one has said something about their not well
or they need help, but they're already on to the
next question. And that could have been a way to go, oh,
if you're not great, gp mental health plan, let's check in,

(53:14):
let's hit another date to have a coffee.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
It's one thing we've noticed, you know, with our show,
is you know one that creates joy and a bit
of escape. But when we have those conversations, you know,
be about women and DV or mental health, like, that's
when the real cut through is. If we just constantly
bang on about it every single day, every single hour,
there's no cut through because it's the exact same thing exactly.
But when we do it, people listen, which is why

(53:37):
we get such an incredible reaction from people. I mean, yes,
a lot of those messages that we get are quite
heavy with people opening up, and you know, we've had
training since on how to deal with that, and we
have you know, some pretty full on conversations about what's
the response here, what do we need to do. But
that's one thing that we've noticed with our platform and
why we still think, you know, radio is alive and
can have that impact on people. It's when we do

(53:59):
things like that that really cut through. Like we'll get
millions of views on our jokes and all that kind
of stuff and people go, aha, good one, share it whatever.
But people will write me a paragraph when we have
conversations about this stuff. That's cut through. In my opinion.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
You asked earlier, you know, about our values, and I
said they've changed and that is educating is a huge part.
It's the value that Nathan I have is educating people
now and understanding that, you know, we can use our
platform for good. We can bring everyone in with the
humor and the escape isn't them in there, And then
we've got people in our audience that would not have
these conversations. And to be honest, they never think they're

(54:35):
coming because we're these fun guys who are doing all
this fun stuff. But when we do it like it
hits and then you get millions of views on something
and I always need to remove myself because that's not
a measurement of success. But when it comes about these
more serious topics and you're getting millions of views, it
does warm heart. People are talking about it, people are
sharing it.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
We do that on purpose, by the way. We don't
tell them like radio, it's all about hooks and teasers
and this is coming up and coming up.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Jimmy's doing depression.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
We're giving away your TV by the way, Yes, who's
anxious again? We've got to sting depressed. You know, we
purposely don't do that, and I know it's kind of
a stealth bit of it. Yeah, it's a bit.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
We'll do it after joking about it. He was like
we were doing breakfast and he was like sort of
talking about like, you know, you should hook that through
the show. You're going to do this big chat about depression.
That makes me.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I'm not going to hook that, Christ And we'll strategically
put it after like a big prize giveaway or dad
jokes or you know, a regular segment that people know
when are a part of, so we can fucking blindside
them and be like we know you're here, so now
you're going to listen to this.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Jimmy and Nath, thank you so much. I'm a new fan. Okay,
it's time for a debrief. Look, I didn't know really
anything about Jimmy and Nath. Someone suggested that I interview them,
and it's kind of not my world.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
There.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
You know, two men in their early thirties and I
don't listen to radio, so I kind of wasn't aware
of them.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
But I'm a bit.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
In love after that. I mean, I'm in love with
their friendship. Because when you are marinating in the news
cycle like I have to as part of my job,
and look, you can't really miss the news stories that
we've all been seeing over the last few months and
years particularly, there's a new story every day, or more

(56:27):
than one every day, about men doing something awful, and
it's easy to get pretty cynical and pretty bitter and
pretty angry. I don't know. I just love being reminded,
not that I need reminding, because I've got so many
wonderful men in my life, but I don't know the
way they speak, the role models that they are for
a new generation of young men. I think it's also

(56:49):
no accident that so many of their listeners are women.
There's something about the friendship and the camaraderie of men
when there is no sexism there whatsoever. And it's interesting
because Hamish and Andy are the same. There's no undercurrent
of any kind. There's not a tinge, there's not a
whisper of any sexism. And I know that sounds probably

(57:12):
ridiculous to point out, but in a world where I
don't know, I grew up with Benny Hill, how about
you let Alone, Andrew Tate, etc. It's just so lovely
and it's so refreshing and so inspiring. It's hard to
listen to Jimmy and nath and the way they talk
about their friendship and their creative partnership, and their mental
health and their struggles and their support for one another,

(57:34):
and how they feel about the women in their life
and not feel really hopeful. I am definitely going to
be cheering them on from this point, and I hope
that more people, especially men, continue to learn and listen
to them and from them. Hop up a link to
their podcast in the show notes, where we'll also share
some links to resources in case this episode brought up

(57:55):
anything difficult for you around mental health or suicide. Take
Jimmy and Nate's advice and please get the help and
the support that you need. I know I do all
the time. Therapy is the best thing that I ever did.
I agree with Jimmy and even Naith is now a convert.
Thanks for listening, and if that conversation left you wanting more,

(58:15):
you are in luck. We have more than five hundred
incredible conversations in our archive for you to binge. We've
been doing this show for ten years now, so we
have some really amazing conversations. Wherever you get your podcasts,
which is right here because you're listening to me, go
find them, get them in your ears. Love you see soon.

(58:36):
This episode was produced by Naima Brown, with sound production
by Leah Porges and Tom Lyon.

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