The Story Kayla Jade Wasn’t Supposed to Tell

Kayla Jade didn’t plan to become one of the most recognisable women on Australian TikTok. She didn’t plan to become a sex worker, or a mum, or a viral sensation. But somehow, she’s all of those things and more.

In this episode of No Filter, Kate Langbroek sits down with Kayla to talk about the story that wasn’t supposed to be told. The one that includes a man named Peggy Sue, an A-Lister who asked for too much, falling for one of her clients and that infamous meet up with Drake. It's deep dive into the wild, unfiltered life Kayla’s built - one storytime at a time.

From her rise on OnlyFans to becoming a full-service sex worker, from co-parenting in the Gold Coast hinterland to managing fame, surgery, shame and survival, Kayla speaks with extraordinary candour about everything she’s lived through and what she’s still learning.

And yes, we talk about the pegging story that may or may not have impacted the federal election.

You can follow Kayla Jade here.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mama Miya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on with Peggy.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Sue Peter Dutton, I don't want to get sued, okay,
and yet in a really strange sort of way, I
think it played a part in affecting the outcome of
an election.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Sorry about that, Peter Dotta.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Oh well. Today on No Filter, we're talking pegging and
porn and what happens when a sex worker accidentally or
by design, becomes one of the most recognizable women on
the Internet in Australia. Kayla Jade is a Gold Coast mum,

(00:59):
a content creator, a full service sex worker and TikTok
storytime girl. One minute she's counting cash on camera, a
lot of cash. The next she's flying halfway across the
world to sleep with an a lister. She's been doxed, stalked, adored,
and almost died on an operating table in Turkey, and

(01:23):
now she's living in the country, raising her kids and
launching an empire. We talk clients, secrets, celebrity flings and yes,
Peggy Sue, so pull up a seat. This is one story.
Kayla Jade wasn't supposed to tell, but of course she does.

(01:46):
Kayla Jade, do I call you Kayla? Or are you
the full blue eyed Kayla Jade?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
To call me Kaylor, that's my name.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Welcome to No Filter.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
And often, you know, when we have guests on the pod,
we have to remind them that the show is called
No Filter. But I don't think that I have to
remind you.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
No pretty much.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, I post a bit a little bit too much
on the Internet, so I'm sure we won't have a
problem today.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
But you're very interesting because you are, among many things,
a sex worker, and you have really stepped into yourself
and the truth of your life, firstly in a professional
capacity but also in a personal capacity that I think
has kind of changed things.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, you know, it hasn't been
anything that's planned. It's all just come naturally. So I'm
sort of learning as I go to you know, be
a content creator, because I guess I had dabbled a
bit in it before, but never to this level. So
it's just like a whole learning curve and you know,
adapting to my audience to make sure that I'm you know,

(03:01):
giving out the best information and you know, telling the
raws of it as well, and not trying to just
like make it seem like kids all glitz and glamour,
because you know, it's definitely not the industry that is
like that. There's a lot of bad stuff to it too,
So I guess just.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
From the start, you know, showing that every side of it.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
When you were little growing up in New Zealand in
a small town, who was Kayla Jade?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Then what were you like as a as a kid?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I guess like little me, like I always had like
a good family life, social life, but I guess in
a way I always struggled a little bit throughout school
because I had ADHD.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
But I was undiagnosed.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
So I guess a lot of my life I was thinking, like,
you know, what's wrong with me?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Like why can't I.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
You know, act a certain way or be normal in
a way, And like ADHD was just never on the
cards for me, because it, like especially in female was
as much harder to diagnose because.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I wasn't like the hyper kid at school.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
You know, I was actually quite quiet and just like
I was always.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Just chill throughout my whole life.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Probably a little bit too chill that I'm just like
away with the faeries and have no idea what's going on.
But as soon as I was diagnosed, like later in life,
when I was about like twenty nine, it was only
a couple of years ago, I.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Was just like, it makes so much sense.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Why I was like this as a child, and you
know why I acted a certain way and why I
always had to ask, you know, my friends around me
what's going on because I just had no idea. So
I guess a lot of that, Like getting diagnosed was
definitely like, you know, another piece to the puzzle, like, oh,
this makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
When you were growing up, what was your u So
you said you just had like kind of a traditional family,
very close fun. It was you and your sister.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, I was so just like, you know, a
middle class family.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
You know, we got by.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So when you felt that you were a little bit
different to everybody else, but not necessarily it sounds like
in a bad way.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Nah, did you always.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Feel that you had a story to tell?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Honestly, like, no, I had.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
I had no idea what was going to happen in
my life or my future. I don't know if it's
part of like an ADHD thing.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
But I never thought past.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
The present day really, so I was just like, I
guess my personality type of always been like, go with
the flow. Whatever happens, happens. If it's good, great, If
it's not, we'll get through it. There's just always been
like the way I've worked, So I've never really thought of,
you know, coming here today and telling my story.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
It's crazy because, like you know.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
You grow up in a small town and like a
lot of people around you, Like I just saw everyone
was just doing the same thing, and I guess I
thought that was going to be my trajectory as well.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
What did you think that trajectory was going to be? Like,
what would your life have looked like?

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, but you had your boyfriend, so it would have
been kind of settling down quite traditional.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
When I moved to Australia, that's when I met my partner,
my ex partner. But yeah, in New Zealand, I was
just sort of floating around and trying different things.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
And what was your impetus that made you?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I mean, this is a crazy question to ask in
New Zealander because there's so many of you guys here.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
But what made you come across the Dutch?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
What made me come across Just opportunity.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
You know, like obviously in New Zealand, we have lower
wages and everything's much more expensive, so.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Living there is hard. And you know, I would see
a lot of my friends just I guess.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Get into drugs or like drink every day because that's
all they knew. And you know, they were just work
in the regular jobs. And I just knew that, like
I didn't want that for my life. Like I just saw,
you know, my friends go through that, my family go
through that. So I had an opportunity where it was
like a sliding doors moment. I was like I can
move to Australia and see what happens, or I can

(07:24):
stay here and just do this for the rest of
my life. So I just chose, like, right, I'm just
gonna I'm pretty impulsive, so I was just like fuck it,
booked a flight the next day and was like okay,
we're gone Hi, And that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
And then you landed where Gold Coast.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yes, ah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
So I moved over here and I knew like one
person here, but I had no family or friends. I
was staying in a random sheer house with like two
other guys and a couple, and I was just sort
of figuring everything out. And yeah, I was just lucky
that it worked out.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
It sure did work out. At what point did you go, oh,
there's something happen here. Was it that your first TikTok
that changed things?

Speaker 4 (08:15):
No? Actually, so it just happened randomly, Like I didn't
expect it when I started, because I started only fans.
Actually it was after the pandemic, and I could I
just saw so many amazing women making so much money
and getting the money themselves, you know, not giving it
to anyone else, men making a lot of banks.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
So I just it just naturally clicked in me.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
I was like, I think I can make money through this.
And yeah, I had no idea. I had no sex,
work of friends, so I had to basically google how.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
To make an only fans, and yeah, I just started
straight away.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I was like, if I'm going to put this stuff
out there, I'm going to go all out.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
And that's what I did.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I immediately I had no social media following. I actually
started posting on Reddit randomly and then sorry, I got
a lot of because I was posting in a lot
of subreddits, and there's a lot of like kink subreddits.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I was just posting, posting, posting.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Like I lived and breathed that for the first like
a little while, and then I started doing I started
on Instagram and did a couple collabs, and that's where.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Collabing with other girls, I was like, that's.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
When they were like, oh, you should try TikTok, and
I was like, okay, I'll try it. Ticked up And
back then it was sort of when everyone was doing
like kind of more dancing right and stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I was doing like a few random things, but
I didn't take it seriously.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
It wasn't until I started doing full service work that
I just started posting what I was doing and somehow
people started watching it.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
So yeah, when you say that you started doing full
service work, like, how was that transition for you, Like
what was the moment where you went, oh, I can
value ad here.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah, well, I guess like I.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Had dabbled in it a little bit previously, but not
never to this extent.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
So with my only fans, you know, I traveled.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
The world like collabing with really big names, and I
made like a big name for myself.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
In that industry, So.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
I guess I was just kind of in the mindset
of like, Okay, what can I do next?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
How much like how.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Much money can I save in a short amount of time.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
So that's when I you know.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
I had friends throughout the industry that were in person workers,
so I was like learning from them. I was like, Okay,
maybe I can make morning money from this. I feel
like I have the experience now through sex work that
it just happened like so naturally. But I'm so glad
that I had that experience in sex work before I
got into the in person work, because if I had

(10:52):
just started in person work like when I was fresh eighteen,
I probably would have got myself into some really shitty situations.
So yeah, it was kind of like just timing everything
worked out right. I just really wanted to get my
savings up and you know, invest in some more property.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
So I was like, I just need to.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Buckle down, and yeah, that's what I did, and it's
done really well.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
It has done really well because there was, of course
the period I think I first saw you, like a
lot of people when you'd be doing your money show
mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And that was like, yeah, the money counts.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Wards and wards of money of cash, and then you've
kind of stepped aside from that. So you've always had
this capacity to be very open and share a lot,
but also you've kind of monitored yourself as well.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
M totally.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
I think it's about like you know, adapting and changing,
you know, And yeah, I guess with the money counts,
I just I got to a point like when I
first started on TikTok, I started with the zero following, like.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I started a Marite new page.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
When I was posting the money counts, I was posting,
you know, for my sex worker friends, just for shits
and giggles, to be.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Like whatever, like I'm just going to post what I'm doing.
If anyone likes it, go for it.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
And then it got to the point where it just
it blew up so much and the money counts started
becoming a little.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Bit icky for me.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I just felt like, you know, if girls were like
scrolling through TikTok and they saw this like giant money
counts and then they didn't actually like click on my
page and like look at my other videos where I
talk about like the dangers of sex work and like
other things like that, if they just saw those videos,
then they would be like, hey, like I can make
this money too, and not realize what I actually had

(12:36):
to do to get that money. So it just.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Naturally I was like probably for a couple months, I
was like, I don't I think I'm going to stop them.
And that was a.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Hard transition for me because I felt like that's what I.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Blew up on.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
So I was like, no, but like should I keep
doing I don't know. But then it just naturally came
that I was just like, nah, I don't think I
can do these anymore.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's when I.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Stopped interesting too, because security is always a big thing
for every woman really exactly, and I was thinking Kim Kardashian.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That was another reason why I stopped, because especially because
a lot of other sex workers started doing it as well,
and I was like, I'm really careful about safety, but
if you know someone on here, if someone's doing it
and then like not so much or they're a bit younger,
I was just worried, like, you know, that could put
a target on their back, you know, but like them

(13:31):
posting money counts and not being careful of like location
and things like that. So yeah, I thought it was
an everyone's best interest to stop.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
The money counts interesting because obviously when you were doing this,
and this seems like it happened fairly rapidly that you
achieved this kind of level of success that you could
actually measure by the word of cash in your hand,
do you know what I mean? So, your family back
in New Zealand, how aware were they at that point

(14:05):
of like your new pursuit.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well, they're sort of have had time to adjust at
the fact that I was a sex worker before the
tech took came, because yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
On Only Fans. I've been on Only Fans for.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
The past like four years, so you know, they learned
pretty soon because like I did well in the only
Fans world as well, So they learned fairly quickly that
I became a sex worker. But by the time like
the TikTok came, they were so used to they were
so used to my shenan again, so they were like, yeah,
you go off, queen.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And when when you says say to your parents, oh,
this is the work that I'm going to do, or
this is the work that I'm doing, who do you
have that conversation with first?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Ah, Well, they actually had the conversation with me, they
found out I actually.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Didn't tell them.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
No, it's not because I didn't think that I was.
I didn't think that I was going to do it
for that long. Honestly, Like when I started the only fans,
I was like, you know, I'm probably going to do
this for a bit, make a bit of money, and
then just like leave it.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
You know. I didn't think it would blow up into
this big career.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
So I was just sort of doing it and like
not not really telling anyone. And then obviously they found
out word of mouth, and yeah, I guess they just
immediately straight up was like, hey, like what's going on?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Do you have only fans?

Speaker 4 (15:28):
And my mum was a little bit, I guess, just
worried about me and my safety and everything. You know,
she didn't really know how only fans operated, Like in
her idea she had like you know, sort of nineties
porn sets or something like.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
She was freaking out.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
But then when she came over and just you know,
saw how happy I was, and you know how it
wasn't like as scary as it seems. They slowly got
adjusted to it, but with me, like I'm just like,
if I want something I'm I'm stubborn as buck. I
would do it and I don't care. You know, if
someone's not happy about it, well that's their problem. Like

(16:08):
if I'm happy, like, I'm gonna do it regardless. So
I feel like there was nothing anyone could say that
would be like, oh, actually I won't do this. Yeah,
But I mean a lot of people will ask me
like what do your parents thinking your work? And I'm like,
I'm fucking thirty, I'm a full grown adult, Like it
doesn't should not matter what my parents know about my life.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
You know what, I No, it shouldn't matter. But then
there are there's just something often in that child parent
relationship where it doesn't matter how old you are. Like
before my dad died, he was eighty nine, I would
still hide from him if I wanted to have a
cigarette at a party or what is you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
It's like, Yeah, I'm actually the most.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Open I am now with my family then I've ever been.
Like I think just me opening up talking about my
life online has just made me so open with them
because throughout my life, I struggled a lot with mental illness.
I had disorders when I was younger, and I was

(17:13):
so closed off to them for a long period of time,
and I think just my mentality from the eating disorder.
I had that mindset of around my family, you know,
I had that like close off mindset. So now just
being so open and talking about things has just, yeah,
opened up our relationship so much.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
It's funny because you know they're saying the truth will
set you free, and you seem to have found increasingly
so much freedom in no longer hiding aspects of your life,
even from the people that you share things with.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I just got to the point where I was just like,
I really don't care. Like there was so much like
ups and downs at the start when I first started,
like I had a family member like screenshot all my
content and send it to all my family, and I
had so much shit at the start that it just
got to a point where I'm just like whatever, Like

(18:13):
I honestly don't care. This is me, and I'm so
over hiding who I am and what I want to do.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
So as soon as I was like, yep, I have
an only fan, I'm a sex worker, take it or
leave it, I think I just became more like I
just let go of caring so much about what other
people thought to be because, like I guess, like especially me,
growing up, I was very much like a people pleaser
and wanted to make sure everyone's like okay and happy.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
And then I.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Just got to a point where I was just like
I don't care, Like if I'm happy, like that's all
that matters. And if people are not happy that I'm happy,
well you probably don't want them in your life anyway.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
You've definitely learned, like being a sex worker, you.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Learn people's true personalities, like they come out and you know,
if someone like doesn't like your of the hiding something,
they will show you their true colors. So it's a
blessing in disguise in some way.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Do you think that with your knowledge of humanity now
that it changes the way that you deal with like
the entire world, the people that you meet socially.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
I think, especially like males, I have become a master
of identifying their personality. Probably within the first five seconds
of meeting one, I know exactly what kind of person
they are. So yeah, yeah, I think it's just made
me because you're just meeting new people all the time

(19:49):
and adapting that, like you're processing all these different personalities.
You get to really easily find out who someone is
just by looking at them.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, it's quite funny. It's like my little superpower now
because I heard.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
You say, and I think it was on your storytime pod,
that you probably won't have a relationship now until you
finish with sex work. Yes, definitely, And I thought to myself,
how can you control that? Do you know what I mean? Like,
how do you stop that pull to someone when you

(20:24):
had that attraction to them more?

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Well, I guess I'm just not in the mindset of
dating at the moment because throughout my life I've always
been in a relationship from the time I was like
fourteen years old until up until I had kids. So
I feel like I'm just in my era of wanting
to make money and setting myself up to make money,

(20:47):
and I know that if I get into a relationship,
that's going to slow me down. I guess my mentality
now is if, like, if I get into a relationship,
it's just going to set me back in my career,
in my money making, because.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Obviously, like I want.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
To be with a person who you know, is okay
with me being a sex worker, but I also want
to be with a person who doesn't want me to
sleep with other men. You know, So I know that
when I do become in a relationship, yeah, I will
have to stop being yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And because
if they are okay with me sleeping with other men,

(21:26):
I feel like either thou with me just for my
name or money or that, or they really don't care
about me or you know, so I want to be
with someone.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Who only wants you to be with them.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
I see a lot of sex workers go throughout like relationships.
It's very rare that, like, you know, they have like
a guy who's okay with them sleeping with other people,
because that's like not really not much a normal thing.
When I eventually get into relationship, it's when I'm ready
to settle down, and that's not that's not yet. I

(22:03):
want to make my money and you know, set up
set up myself and then and then I can think
about it.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
When you are attracted to someone, it's kind of a
normal thing to be territorial about them. So what you're
saying is a guy who'd be yeah, that's okay, keep
up your sex work, is not the person that you
want to be with. No, No, and I know that.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
If I get into a relationship now, that means I'm
going to have to stop my sex work, and I'm
not ready to do that yet.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
When you're reaping the rewards of what you've built and
extending yourself in different ways, that's not a sexual pun,
that's just you really are exploring different parts of yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
How do you know when the point will be to stop?

Speaker 4 (22:54):
I feel like I will know when the time comes.
Like I have never planned anything throughout my entire life,
so this is probably going to be one of those
things where I will keep making money. If I keep
making money doing this, then I'm happy. But if it
gets to a point where I don't make money anymore,
then maybe I'll settle down. But it's just that thing

(23:16):
where like I feel like a lot of sex workers
had said, like, you will know when you no longer
want to be in the industry, Like you just there's
something that just clicks inside you and you're just like, nah,
I'm done. So I feel like I will have that
turning point once I've burnt myself out, But hopefully I
would have set myself up enough to you know, be

(23:36):
okay with stepping back. So yeah, I would just have
to see when the time comes.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Really, because if you're waiting for the money to dwindle,
the money is never going to dwindle.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
For Kayla Jade.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I mean you never know. But yeah, I mean I know,
I know a lot of sex workers that are.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Still making good money in their fifties, so fifties sixties,
which is crazy, but I feel like you just mentally,
I might tap out before then.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I just never know.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, So it just depends on my mental health thrilling,
whether I can keep doing it or not.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know, you talk about your mental health a lot
and happily talk about how it's improved. What is the
toll that sex work takes on your mental health?

Speaker 4 (24:23):
I mean, it just it depends on the person, really,
because if you're doing sex work and you feel any
sort of shame about sex work, or you don't enjoy
having sex and you're putting yourself and your body through
these situations of meeting up with strangers and do it
having sex with them, like, that's going to fuck your

(24:44):
mental health.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
So that's why I.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Always tell girls, like, if you want to get into
sex work, like make sure you actually feel like you're
going to enjoy it, try it out, because it's not
for everyone, and some people will just immediately get burnt out.
But I feel like because I've had I've dealt with
a lot of things throughout my life, I felt like

(25:08):
it's just just made me a rock and away and really,
I can, you know, do a lot of things that
if I didn't go through that stuff, I probably wouldn't
be ready for.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
You refer quite often to how your mental health has improved,
and the uptake in happiness is really apparent in you.
How have you made that happen?

Speaker 4 (25:32):
I think just from having the time and freedom and
money just to be my own boss. I never thought
growing up, like you know, I always struggled with school.
I never thought that I would have a career where
I could make money. So the fact that I'm here
now and able to spend time with my kids and

(25:55):
just have the freedom to be like, you know what,
let's just go to Europe tomorrow, like I like we
need a break. Just having that freedom to spend time
with them is just so rewarding, and it just it
gives me so much happiness. Like money is a big struggle,
Like I've struggled with money throughout my whole life until

(26:16):
I became a sex worker. I had duct tape covered
all over my car because I couldn't afford a new car.
You know, I've lived paycheck to paycheck for like most
of my life, so I know money struggles and not
having money struggles now is just a huge relief.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Which is and money will buy you time as well. Yeah,
and people who say money can't buy happiness have never
been poor. Yeah, one.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Struggle and it will buy a little bit of happiness.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Coming up some A listers, some secrets and an ironclad
NDA that's a non disclosure agreement, which obviously means there's
some really good stuff behind it. Be right back. Because
you're an industry now, everything comes from you, there's a

(27:13):
lot of pressure on you to keep going to reinvent.
Do you sometimes feel like you're coming close to being
burnt out or not wanting to go on or pivot
into some other area.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Yeah, I definitely do have times where I'm just have,
you know, a full mental be and I'm like, I'm
fucking done, I'm doing something else.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
But I don't think.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
I'll ever change being a sex oker, like for now,
because I just I love I do love what I
do and I love.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I love the freedom that it gives you to be
able to change and adapt.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
So you know, if I was like, nah, I'm done
with in person, I don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
You know, I have other avenues where I can go to.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Now, I imagine that when you go to make people
in person, that you've got a different status now. So
it's almost like, you know, you getting the call ups
from celebrities to you know, fly to La or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Who wants that? By the way, I know you're not
going to do who was I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Unto NDA's I can't.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Unfortunately, I feel like a lot of people with a
lot of people have guessed it.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Let's just say that.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Okay, I'm going to go and read it.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
But I had that, I guess like before the TikTok,
you know, the celebs and stuff, so that was pretty
normal to me, and like I guess like when you
meet them, you're like, oh, that's just like a normal person,
Like it's so.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Fine, yes, But now my point is that now when
people meet you, you are the celebrity to them.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Gotcha? Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
So there are guys that are like I want to
be with Kaylage i'd get your status, your power in
relation to them has shifted.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah, I guess so in some ways, I still normal,
So I just feel my regular self.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, No, But what I mean is that if there
are things that boundaries that you don't want cross, or
things that you might find degrading or whatever, are they
less likely now to kind of try and breach that
because they're with you.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, yeah, I would say so. Yeah, I've always been
pretty strong in my boundaries. You know, obviously apart from
it some circumstances that were out of my control. But yeah,
I would guess now that I have a bigger name,
people would be more careful of, you know, the way
they interact around me. I guess before, you know, when

(29:52):
I had like a small profile, you know, people probably
thought they could take more advantage or things like that.
But I've always been pretty careful with like where I
put myself in situations.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Are the situations you've been in where you've thought I
don't want this.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yes, definitely, Yeah, And that's just you know, it's just
a learning curve.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, I've had.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Situations where, yeah, I like, honestly like the the people
have taken advantage of the situation. And that's the unfortunate
thing about even only fans, is that anyone can become
a creator, you know, and if they have their camera right,
if they have like the setup, they can hire the

(30:39):
big names, you know, they can create a platform like
a predator can easily create a platform. So I guess
the biggest thing is just finding friends in the industry
and checking references.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
That's the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
You know, your ex who you seem to have quite
a harmonious relationship with, and he's you've said, the primary
maybe a care giver to the kids when you first
started doing sex work, and obviously you're the mother of
his kids. Was he a bit territorial about you then?

(31:16):
Was he uncertain about the path? Was he worried about
the kids, the effect on the kids?

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah, he's like he's a smart cookie. So it was
definitely discussing with me all sorts of you know, the issues,
like where they could be issues.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
We talked about it a lot.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
But because we had both had we had kids very young,
and from the get go we said that like, if
it wasn't going to work out, we're just gonna you know,
stick together, be like good friends for the kids. Because
we both love them so much that we could not
do fifty to fifty. There's just like a no, no,

(31:55):
we just want to all both have them full time.
So we were like we're going to stick this out
whether we're together or not. And there was some like
worries with him at the start, but I feel like
he had faith with me, Like I feel like he
knew that I would do well through this, so you know,

(32:15):
he put the faith in me and it paid off
because now he can just work for me, which is great. Yeah,
I mean that's what he's always wanted to be, a straight.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Home dad, and like we made that life.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
So yeah, a lot of people don't, like they kind
of questioned them, they like they don't understand the relationship.
But it's like we're both just so chill that we
just don't care, Like we're just we're just so happy
being around, Like we don't fight. We're like we're not together.
We we thought more when we were together, but now
that that sort of pressure has gone, we just become

(32:53):
close friends.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
And we're we work together well.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Like, you know, if I ever have a situation where
I'm like this thing happened and like I don't know
what to do, and because I've had times where you know,
I started sex work and you know, people have like
owed me.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Money and stuff, and like he's just always sort of
it for me.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
It's just like he's a blessing. Yeah, I couldn't have
done it without him.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So and has he repartnered or is that a possibility
for him?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Not at the stage.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, we're both open, like he can go see whoever
he wants or whatever. But we're just both at the
time of our lives where we don't want a relationship,
Like we both have been in a lot.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Of relationships throughout our lives, so we're just focused on
the kids at the moment, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
And also, you know, speaking of being healthy, you've been
very open about your BBL surgeries, both of them. Yes,
one story is so horrific. It basically, hmm, is how
you nearly died, which I don't know if you realized
it at the time, but listening to you tell it,

(34:02):
it's like you could have died in Turkey.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I went through everyone's worst nightmare of literally waking up
on the operating table and while they're operating on me,
not being able to move, being paralyzed, but feeling everything
and just being just feeling the tears run down my.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Face but not being able to do anything. It was terrific.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, and every aspect of it. It was botched. You
had an encounterdown nurse that he was groping you and
trying to kiss you. In the lift, they put you
on your bum when you're not supposed to be on
your bums straight after.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yes, yes, so it was.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
It was a time where I didn't have like I
just sat her in the fans. I didn't have much money,
and I'd heard that people were getting these BBOs in
Turkey for like, you know, fifteen grand, ten grands. I
was like, oh my god, I'm going to do that.
So my impulsive self booked that in. I found a place.
We were talking on WhatsApp and they seemed great, like
the English was incredible. I was sending them before and

(35:08):
after photo and they were like, yeah, you're such a
good candidate. So I was like, okay, I'm going to
do it and went over to Turkey and just immediately
when they picked me up, like no one could speak English.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I didn't know what was going on. Like they were
taking me.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
To all sorts of different hospitals and like no one
could no one could tell me what was going on.
Like they were trying to find the doctor and they
couldn't find.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Him, and it was a mess.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Eventually, when they did find the doctor, as soon as
he saw me, he was like, oh, you don't have
enough fat to get the surgery, and.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I was like, yes, I do. I have been like eating.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Like five thousand calories a day for the past six
months to gain weight for this BBL.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I know I have enough fat.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
I've seen much skinnier girls get good bbls.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
So but I mean I was there. I was like,
I'm going to go with the surgery.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
So I went under, and yeah, I woke up on
the operating table.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Could feel so they used this.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Like metal rod to like get because they take the
fat out from like your stomach, your back and put
it in your butt.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I just feel like getting sucked out of me.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
It was just like burning, like this fact getting sucked
out of my stomach.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
It was nasty.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
And then just woke up and I was just like
vomiting blood like everything, Like my body was just malfunctioning,
like it just wasn't coping with the stress it's been
under and yeah, but then you know, the next day
literally assaulted by a male nurse while I was getting changed,

(36:44):
well he was getting.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
He was changing me.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
And like in that like I think back to the
state that I was in, Like while that was happening,
I was not even a person, Like.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I was not. I wasn't like I couldn't talk, couldn't
do anything.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
And that happened, and I'm just like, imagine what else
this guy has put people through. And then like cause
you we're like this compression suits because like obviously your
skin's just being ripped off the fat so it needs
to start to attach again.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
So you're wearing this compression suit.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
And you have to get these lymphatic drainage massages because
you just swell up so much. So when I took
the far off, which is the suit, like I saw
my body and I was like, it looks basically exactly
the same.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
So it was like, oh, when I.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Saw that surgeon, he was like, oh, you know, you're
not going to get the results you want. It was
like he was just setting me up for me to
be like, oh, well, he said that I wasn't going
to get the result I wanted, So I guess this
is it.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
And the fat that did like was that they did transfer.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Within a couple months, it was gone. Because if you
take the fat out of your body and you don't
purify it properly, they have to do this purifying process.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
If that isn't done properly, the fat's going to immediately die.
And because they had I.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Woken up on my back, my b sitting on my butt,
that's going to kill the fat cells as well. So
there was just no chance of survival. So yeah, within
a few months, I was back to back to my
normal self, which was really frustrating.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
But a bit traumatized by the physical experience a little
bit a bit more traumatized, yes, yeah, and then you
had a reconstructive Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
So I went to see an Australian surgeon like a
year after to get it revised and he just said
he just couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
He looked at my back and he was like, they've literally.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Taken just chunks of fat out of your back, Like
this is crazy. So he went in and like fixed
it up for me and made sure a result good
and then now I'm so happy with the results.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
So the experience of that, because you seem somewhat won
with your body now and at ease with your body.
Was the experience of that part of that process.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Oh yeah, I think back to when I got my BBL,
and I was still so unhappy, like I was as
soon as I got the BBL, I was like, what's
my next surgery. It's like when you start having surgery,
it plays with your mind and then you start looking
in the mirror and like, oh I could tweet that,
I could tweet that I could move this here, Like.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
It just messes you up so much.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
And I think now like I'm the happiest that I've
been and I don't think about surgery, I don't think
about botox, I don't think about anything because I'm just
so much happier. So I think for me, I just
really needed to find my happiness and who I was,
because I guess throughout my life, I was always being like, Okay,

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if I get a surgery, then I'll be happy, or
if I if I have this eating disorder, then I'll
be happy, Like I was always sort of masking it.
And it wasn't until I just like I guess, found
my true self that I've sort of let that go
and be like you know, that's not the most important
thing anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, that's the goal, isn't it. Yeah, But often people
can get bulged in, like you said, that cycle of
oh this will fix me and working externally and thinking, especially.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
In this industry, because you know, like you're around a
lot of girls and all the girls are getting surgery.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
You know, they got money, they're getting surgery, They're.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Getting this tweak because you're relying on your pearents for money.
So as soon as you feel like something that needs
to change, your first thought is surgery because everyone around
you is getting surgery and you're talking about it.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
And so yeah, I really needed to like step out of.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
That sort of because I felt like I was just
around girls that were like talking about this stuff and it.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Was just triggering that back in me. So I was
just like, I need to take a step back.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
From that and just you know, be around people who
are not so like surgery focused and image focused. And
now like I found my girls in this industry and
we are just like we're best of friends and you know,
we just love and support each other.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
And yeah, even though.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
It's not like a big group, now I've just found
my people and you know, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
So yeah, many industries and probably more than some, there's
people that don't always want the best for you, that
may be motivated by envy or jealousy or competition. How
did you find your your girlies?

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yeah, it just.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Happened like naturally through because obviously when I started OnlyFans,
I was collabing with a lot of girls, and I
just found a couple that as soon as we met,
we just clicked straight away. And then you know, I
stopped really doing collabs and distanced myself from you know,
some people in the industry and I just stuck to

(42:10):
my own and was like, I'm happy here, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Hey, Kayla, what's a collab? By the way, is it
I imagined? Is it two of you or whatever having
sex or doing a show or Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
So you're arranged to meet with like another content creator,
and you set a date.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
You get like, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Test you have to be tested STI tests within two weeks,
You sign consent forms. There's like a lot of process
to it, and then you meet up with them, whether
it's at you know, a house or like a hotel
or whatever, and you get socials so like you know,
pictures or reels or tiktoks or whatever for the social media,

(42:52):
and then yeah, you'll do a scene, which is whether
it's girl girl, boy girl, it depends, like whatever you're
comfortable with.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I guess in the scale of what you've achieved so far,
just if you're going to talk about the sex worker space,
what do you still hope to achieve?

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Mm, I guess because obviously now like a lot of
brands are working with me as a sex worker, which
is crazy because that's just like unheard of.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
So I guess for me, I would just love to either.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Like create a product or like an organization to help people.
Like I love giving back, Like my love language is giving,
so I'm always like sending stuff to charity wherever I can.
So I would just love to, yeah, sort of build
something unrelated but related in a.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Way, and like in what sort of space.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Depends really we'll see it when it comes.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
In the sex workers space or yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
I guess like either you know, making a product that
you know help like survival sex workers or something. Yeah,
I would love to do something like that in the future.
But for me, like sex work will just always be
sex work.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
It will either be will either be more in love
more on person, So just really depends on my mood.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
After the break, the moment we have all been waiting for.
Who is and who isn't Peggy Sue. We talked about
the importance of the financial freedom and stuff, but when
you were talking before, it occurred to me that there's
possibly another aspect to it. How that in the work

(44:42):
that you do, there's like a lot of validation, like
a lot of physical validation. When you want to move
away from that and into, you know, having a romantic partner,
which he said is not you can't do it at
the same time as sex work, or you don't want to.
How do you know that you won't be hooked on

(45:02):
that because a lot of people would be hooked on
the compliments.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, I guess it's like the you know, surgery thing
in a way, like you sort of learn. Well, I
know that I've learned, like throughout my time to love
myself more, and now that I have that sort of
love for myself, like I don't necessarily rely on the
validation anymore, whereas I used.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
To rely on so much.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
But now I feel like I'm just in a point
in my life where I could take it or leave
it if it all ended tomorrow, Like I would be
okay with that, you know, as long as I've set
myself up enough.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, I wouldn't really rely on it anymore.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
But it's not something that I'm like, oh, I did
this and this is why I changed. It just sort
of adapted over time, and I guess as I got
older and as I sort of realized, like the relationships
around me, you know, care more to me, like than.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
You know, the online stuff or whatever. I think. Yeah,
I think I just changed over time.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Was Peggy Sue paid a Dunton?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I can neither confirm with Deny now. No, he wasn't.
He wasn't. I that was ever d into.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I don't want to get suit so random.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
It's so random and yet in a really strange sort
of way, I think it played a part in affecting
the outcome of an election. Yeah that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Sorry about that, Peter Daddat, But yeah, I know, so
it's so bizarre. It really, it's just something that it
blew up beyond me.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Like people were talking about the Peggy Sue thing, they
had no idea who I was, you know, it just
blew up in its entity.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Like, but I.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Didn't like a single comment, like, because you know, I
didn't want to step on anyone's toes.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I didn't want to get taken down because you know.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
If you like, if you were influencing something, they can
easily you know, send you a season desist or try
and take down your accounts or something.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
So it was such a strange thing to take flight.
So for people who don't know, can you explain who
Peggy Sue is?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yeah, So Peggy Sue is a client of mine who likes.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
To get pegged in the butt, which is, you know,
me putting a strap on, pegging him.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
In the butt. And I just started calling him that
because I thought it was a funny name for it.
It's not like I call him that like when I
see him. He was just like the internet name.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Does he know you call it? Does he know you
call him Peggy Sue?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Oh yeah he knows.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
He religiously sorks my TikTok every time we talk about
it because he loves like reading comments of people talking
about him, like he loved it when like the Peter
Dunnan thing blew.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Up, like he just loved that. He was just like
this internet personality.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Right, Yeah, he likes a lot of you know, large members.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
And his behind and I would talk about it on
the internet.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
I would talk about our dates together and you know
what I was going to rear ending with next, I
guess and yeah, just it blew up completely, Like every
time I talked about him, people love to hear it.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
So yeah, and is he okay?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
So I know that you protect the confidentiality of your
clients obviously respect, but tell us who Peggy su is not?

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Can you do that? Like?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Is he not?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
He's not a public profile figure.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
He's no, Like a lot of people were guessing, like
trying to guess who he was.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
And I think if I said who he.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Was, I don't know if people would be.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Happy or disappointed, so.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Like even though obviously well not disappointed, but I guess
just like, oh, they had this idea of who he
is in their head and r you know, he's high
up in his industry, but I wouldn't say he's like
a personality, so in his industry would be a shock factor,
but not so much like in everyone's like you know,

(49:14):
in celebrity culture.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I guess, well, definitely not. Definitely not Peter Dutton, No,
I can.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I can say now, No, Peter It's funny.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Though, because he got interviewed by two radio show hosts
and they asked him if he was Peggy Sue and
he didn't deny her.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I was like, would he have even known?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:40):
He did.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
He was like, oh, yeah, I've heard about it because
everyone was just blasting his comments all on social media.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Are you Peggy zo? Are you Peggy Zoo?

Speaker 4 (49:49):
So yeah, I like some poor intern probably had some
more young intern probably had to tell him like what
was going on?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
But yeah, they asked him and he never denied it.
I was like, are you serious.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Maybe he wanted to be, maybe he is an maybe
he's another sex worker. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Politicians are very poor driven and whatever they think is
going to work with the electorate, they'll lean into it.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah. Well, unfortunately, I think that didn't work in his favor.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
So no, it didn't appear to.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
So I'm happy with that regardless.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
In the spirit of your openness, Kayla, they surely has
been a post or a story you've recounted or whatever
that has still given you cause for regret.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Ah, I want to say regrets. I think I'm very
careful with what I do post to not try and
like step on anyone's toes.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
You know, if I did say a story that.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Was about a client, Like I always make sure that
i'm I know.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
That if I'm going to post it, is this going
to cause me drama or is this going to be
because obviously I talk about a lot.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I talk about sexual assault from you know, either content
creators or photographers that I've had, and I blast them
and like, oh, will only blast you if you're doing
the wrong thing, which I've had, like people contact me
because I have talked about those situations and I don't

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feel regrets because if you're going to do something bad,
the world should know, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
What did they contact you with?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
I guess like there was one time where I talked
about a very uncomfortable situation that I had with a photographer.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Who had booked me.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
So he was a photographer, but he didn't tell me
he was a photographer. He had booked me for an
in person job. And then he just he told me
how much he.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
You know, really liked me, and how.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
He's been trying to get in contact me with me
through his photography page and and just like he was
just asking if I could do things like that was
just not discuss prior. So I talk about that, and
you know, he got upset that I talked about it,
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Is what it is.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
But I'm like, I don't think there's anything that I
regret because I'm very careful with what I talk about
and I'm like very strong.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
In my morals and my values. So I think I.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Did get I did get canceled for hanging out with
Drake though you.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Posted, Oh Drake.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah I did. People didn't like that, but I guess,
like I just didn't know.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
His he really had allegations, Like I knew about the
song with Kenjit Lamar, but I wasn't very aware of
like what had actually been going on.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I just invited.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
I just got invited to go to dinner with him,
and then I posted about it because he didn't make
me sign an NDA, so I posted about it and
it blew up and people got pretty up in arms
about the fact that I hung out with him, and
he eventually told me to take down the post.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
He had a lot of heat. Yeah, he was like, hey, yeah,
can you take these down?

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Because he had a lot of heat in the media,
and I guess this was just giving more attention to it.
So yeah, I ended up deleting the whole thing, and yeah,
that was that was a tricky time.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
There was a tricky time, Like I wouldn't say I
regret that. I wouldn't if I could take it back.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
I don't think I would, because it's a learning curve
and you know, like people make mistakes, like I'm a.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Human being, Like it happens.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
You know. At the time, I was like stressed about
that situation. But that's what a lot of people would
telling me. Look these like anyone would take up that opportunity.
And for me, it wasn't necessarily just about hanging out
with Drake. It's about, like I say yes to those
opportunities because the people that I meet through that is

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just incredible and it just gives me so many opportunities.
So I guess in my head, I just had my
sex worker money brain locked in. I'm like, this is
going to do well for me, so I'm going to
not really thinking about, you know, the consequences. So yeah,
it was a learning curve.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Life is a learning curve, exactly, learning learning every day
when your kids and your kids are at school, now,
is it a consideration for you, how you I mean,
kids only ever know the life they live anyway, and
they only know their parents as their mum or their dad.

(54:50):
But is it a consideration for you as they're getting older,
how you're going to navigate school, other kids, other parents.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Yeah, well, I think we've always been super open with
the kids about obviously to what they can handle for
their ai, but like we've never had an issue so far,
Like a lot of the parents at my kids' school
love me and come up to me and want.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
To talk to me and want to hang out.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Of course, there's going to be you know, with anything,
like there could be a risk of you know, kids
saying something, But I don't think they're going to necessarily
like look back at their life and think like this
was a horrible life, because like, you know, both their
parents just spend so much time with them, and we're

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so open with them, and we teach them like kindness
and empathy, and they are the kindest, like most caring,
amazing kids either. Ever, so I think like people should
stop worrying about what I teach my kids and maybe
try and worry about what they're teaching their kids, you know,

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teach your kids to be less judgmental and and I
think as well, like sex workers just becoming such a
normal thing now there's so much less stigma behind it
that I think as they get older, it's going.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
To be much more normal than what it was ten
years ago.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
You know. I think a lot of people are becoming
more open minded, and I think with my TikTok, it's
been great to sort of destigmatize, like because I'll tell
my stories and people are loving and accepting of it,
Whereas before, like you know, sex work was such a
taboo thing. So I think just the world is changing
in a great way and treating sex workers more like

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normal people and not like a threat or whatever. So yeah,
it's changing for the best. And like, they have a
great life. They're such happy, happy kids, and they have
a lot of friends around them, a lot of support
from parents and teachers.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
So yeah, do you have a little dream though you
know you very much to go with the flow, person,
do you have a dream that you would like to
see come to fulfillment, even if it seems, you know,
the most far fetched thing in the world.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I guess just you know, being able to like.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Buy my kids a house each would be incredible, because
you know, we live in a time now whereas becoming
impossible for that generation to buy a house. So I
would love to just set them up as much as
I can. And a dream of mine was to move
into the country.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
And now done that.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Where do you see yourself? Do you think? So, now
you've got the country, you've got the country homestead, where
do you think ten years' time will find you?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
I mean I would I could have never predicted five
years ago where I would be now. So I think
I've never planned anything, and I think that's always worked
out in my favor. So I'm just happy to go
with the flow and see where it takes me. You know,
if it does well, does well, if it doesn't, I'm
happy with the time that I've had.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
So yeah, I can't imagine that it won't go well.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
And every time you speak futuristically you kind of say that,
but surely by now you can go. If I put
my mind to something and I have my integrity behind it,
oh it's going to go well.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Definitely, Definitely.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I hope it does. I believe it will.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
I just don't even know what to say when someone
asks me that, I'm like, ah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
In the future, I guess, But yeah, at the moment,
I'm happy, and that's all the messess.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I hope very much for your continued happiness and keep
telling your stories because your stories are incredible.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I love telling them, you know, naturally to me.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
So, yeah, do you have any stories that you haven't
told before?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Yeah, Like, there's been a lot, Like a lot of
the time.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
I'll just have I'll see regular clients that I don't
talk about because you know, there's not much to say.
But then I've also had a couple of celebrity times
where I haven't talked about yet.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
When you say yet, does that mean I have.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
A I did a story about the A lister who
I saw who flew me halfway across the world in
La No. So it was in another place that I've
said the first part and I haven't said the second
part yet, So I think I'm going to have to

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introduce that soon.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
All right, can you give me a little teaser?

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
So the first time I saw him, it was full
of sex, parties.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Orgies, a lot of intense stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
And the second time it was actually like the first
time was great, like we were at this like living
I was living at this palace for a week and
there were you know, you'd come every day and there
would just be new things every day, Like I would
be lying by the pool and there's like a sketch
artist sketching me. And it was just a lot of party,

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a lot of meeting celebrities.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
It's crazy shit.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
But then he invited me a second time and it
got a bit intense. It got very possessive. He became
a little bit obsessed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Right, Okay, because you said when you told the first
part that when you came back the second time, he
was very different, but you didn't say in which way
he was different, So he became a obsessed with you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
So so the first time I saw him, he was
with his partner and that was great. But the second
time I rocked up and I thought it was going
to be the same thing, and his partner wasn't there,
and it was very it was a very different it

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was like split personality.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
So yeah, and then how did the obsession manifest?

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Uh, just just messaging me and like when I wanted
to go, he would just bombard me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
It was just a very different experience to the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
And did you feel like because you were physically in
another place and not at home. Did you feel like
you would have trouble getting away?

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
There were times where I was a little bit worried.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah, especially and I was like there with him, I was,
I was worried. But we got away safe and sound.
So yeah, everything's a learning curve.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Everything, everything is a learning curve.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
And Kayla Jade, you have been instrumental in teaching people
a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
I meet women every day who come up to me
and are just like, you know, tell me how like
my own videos have helped them or something, And I'm
just like that just makes me so happy. Like if
I can make someone's day just by you know, giving
them a little something to look forward to, like, that's
the best thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Can I ask you one final question?

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Do you think that sex has a spiritual component to
it as well as the physical?

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Like do you mean like a connection with someone?

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Like that. Yeah, you know how different people can vibrate
at different sort of levels and these base vibrations where
people are like, oh that's a bad vibe, and a
union of two people sexually who are connected and whatever
vibrates at a high level.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
I mean, I don't believe that in a way Like
with my work, probably not so much. But if I
was to see like a partner or someone who else
like really vibing, then one thousand percent.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Yeah. But it's with my.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Sex work, it's like it's work literally, you know, no
connection there, no connection there. I mean, I probably shouldn't
say that connections sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Oh, there'll be people with hurt feelings.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
I'm like, you know, this is a business transaction and
that's what I'm going to treat it as you know,
they get there, they pay me, shower, do the deed, sayonara.
You know, there's no messaging after There was only one
case where early on where I did catch feelings for

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a client, and yeah, that was a lesson learned.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Too, Was that mister Sheffield?

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, he still he still messages me
and still tries to call me. I flew to Sydney
for a podcast like a little while ago, and like
as soon as he saw I was there, he was
like bombarding my phone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
And I'm like, no, don't go back there. And I
did it, which.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Is good, well done, but it's hard to resist the
lure of that attraction.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Oh yeah, he was very, very charming, very charming, and
just exactly my time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
So when you said he started acting in a way
that was kind of sas.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Yeah, I just I felt like he was hiding something
or like he wasn't telling me the full truth, Like
I couldn't find him on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
What would he have been hiding a girlfriend or.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Potentially potentially I just felt like there was some sort
of thing that he wasn't telling me. And I just
feel like he was a big manipulator, like he knew
how to play the game, you know, like people who
will sort of like replicate your personality in a way
just to make you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Like like just the biggest narcissist.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
You know, like I couldn't tell if he was in
love with.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Me or just the biggest narcissist.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
So yeah, I really had to cut that one off
because it was just my mental health was not.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Good, and I did. And yeah, I'm strong enough now to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Not go back, which is good because old me would
not have been strong enough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
So yeah, well I wish you every strength Kayla Jade,
and every joy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Well that escalated quickly, didn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
From only fans out of suburbia, from sex parties to
chicken coops. Kayla Jade has somehow lived teen lives in
the space of one, and I've got the feeling she's
just getting started. The executive producer of No Filter is
Nama Brown and the senior producer is Breed Player. Audio

(01:06:30):
production is by Jacob Brown and I am your humble host,
Kate lane Brook. Thank you so much for listening to
No Filter.