Sound Off 936 - REAL TALK About Jey Uso And SNME, Plus A MAJOR John Cena Announcement! - Solomonster Sounds Off

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You got grown ass wrestlers in the back going on Twitter.

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I was ninety nine percent positive it was just chessed up.

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Now. Congratulations. Who hasn't beat Daniel Barcia? Oh man? What
a World Series? Back to back championships for the Dodgers. See,
that's what's supposed to happen. When you spend three hundred
and twenty million dollars on your payroll, you're supposed to
win titles. Second biggest payroll in all of Major League Baseball,

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second only to the Mets. Who ended up on the
couch at home watching the World Series just like the
rest of us. I wish I was able to see
more of it live. I couldn't because of all the streams,
but I got to catch the tail end of the
game last night. Game seven, one of the craziest games
you'll ever see. I will say it pained me to
see Yamamoto out there as the MVP, knowing the Mets

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made a play for him, and he turned us down.
But I would say he made the right decision. This
is episode nine thirty six of The Solemn Monster Sounds
Off for Sunday, November two, twenty twenty five. Now, on
day number three of having all of the Disney networks
pulled off of YouTube TV, don't you just love it?
No warning, no heads up, I get an email at

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eleven thirty at night on Thursday that I no longer
have access to ABC, ESPN or FX Network and any
library recordings from those channels have been deleted. Yet another
carriage dispute. I already didn't have free access to the
new ESPN app even though I have ESPN or I

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had ESPN because they never worked out a deal with
YouTube TV. Now I don't have ESPN at all. Now
they're fighting with Disney. I feel like I get one
of these emails every few weeks. They're always fighting with someone.
So I went back and I checked. September thirtieth, I
got an email from them telling me that I was
losing Televisa slash Univision, which I mean, you know how

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big a fan I am of Univision. I mean I
have it onto the background all day every day while
I'm working. You would think that my Spanish would be
better by now. Four days before that, I got an
email from them warning that I might soon lose all
of the NBC Universal channels, which would have affected my
wweviewing NBC and Google. They ended up working it out.

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The month before that, I got an email from them
announcing that I might be losing all of the Fox Networks,
and a few days later they worked it all out.
And then earlier in the year it was the Paramount Networks.
They said I was about to lose all of those,
which would have included CBS like these people have had
more fights in the last few years than Connor McGregor. Thankfully,

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I can get my shark Tank fixed from Hulu. But
if you're big into sports, especially college football, you're probably
not going to be a YouTube TV customer for very
much longer if they don't get their shit together. I mean,
people are going to take their business elsewhere. You don't
mess with someone's football, even I know that. I mean,
they keep pulling channels left and right, yet the cost

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keeps going up. I may have to look elsewhere too,
which sucks because I actually like the service. Otherwise. Anyway,
thank you guys for a great Halloween stream the other night,
A great way to close out the month of October.
I may have to bring out the Macho Monster every year.
He was a big hit. Today, I've got Saturday night's
main event fallout to get into from last night's show.

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We have a new World Heavyweight Champion, and we have
news on how WWE intends to decide John Cena's final opponent.
And I've got the teams for the men's and women's
Blooding Guts matches in aw and I've got news on
Vince Russo's return to pro wrestling. Yes, this is not
the Onion, this is not kfave news. This is a

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I feel your frustration. I've got open enrollment starting in
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The Portland pop Star Paul Hamilton. I hope you had
a very happy Halloween. Paul Big b Bryant Bessera, The Diamond,
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Tim Banks, the Chicago Slayer, Willie Iichord, night Stalker, n
f Alsafar, Killshot, Keith Hart, Tough Guy, Temjin Zephyr, and
we had temsin Paul too, but we had Temjin dropping
a bomb the other night. Recon Russell Bulwaars. Keep up
the good work. Wrestling has been literally unwatchable ninety percent

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of the time for nearly fifteen years, but you have
been a bright spot. I've been around for a while,
making me feel old. The Georgia Nightmare Timothy Tillis, who
is celebrating his twenty sixth birthday tomorrow. Happy Birthday, Timothy
Moully from Toronto, Happy thirty seventh birthday. I hope it
was a great one on Halloween. No less a Halloween baby,

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and David from Chicago also turned thirty four years old
this week. Happy birthday to all of you. I hope
you got to enjoy it, however you spent it. House
of Glory is collaborating with the Big Event Expo in
New York on Saturday, November fifteenth to bring you Class
SuperClash at the Suffolk Credit Union and Arena, our first

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trip to Strong Island, and just announced the AWTBS Champion
twelve Belts Money. Mercedes mone makes her return to House
of Glory. Now we just need her to make it
out of that blood and Guts match in one piece,
since that's three days before our show. That's in addition
to some of the other big names in the card,

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including Nick Nemeth and Killer Cross. We've got that Shane
of Basler machi Eto match that I'm actually very much
looking forward to being on the call for. And also
just announced and this one has been in the works
for a while and we just closed the deal last week.
Hog is coming to the City of Angels for the

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first time ever Los Angeles, California at the historic Globe Theater,
which is a legendary venue in downtown LA. Opened to
nineteen thirteen, it's been remodeled over the years. It closed
last year, but now it's back and House of Glory,
at least as far as wrestler goes, is the first
one back in and we are very excited about that.

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I don't know that I will be there because it's Friday,
January thirtieth, which is the day before the Royal Rumble,
the Saudi Rumble, which is airing earlier in the day
the very next day. But regardless, that is a show
that you were not going to want to miss. Tickets
for both those events and our Chicago show are now
on sale at hog wrestling dot Net. Last night checked,

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there were legitimately five tickets left for the Chicago show,
and those LA tickets are flying, so don't wait too long.
Front row was already sold out. We learned earlier in
the week that WWEE Hall of Famer Mike Rotunda, the
father of Bray Wyatt in bo Dallas and who, for
all the things he's done in his career, is probably

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best known even probably he's best known for playing an
evil IRS agent. We were told that Rotunda was in
hospice care, which is never a good sign, and it
was shot because it came completely out of left field
from his brother in law, former tag team partner Barry Wyndham.
He's the one who shared that bit of information with

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Bill Apter. The interview was conducted on October twenty fifth.
He did not disclose what the health issue was that
he was suffering from, only that he was in hospice care.
And for those who don't know, hospice is recommended when
someone typically has exhausted all other treatment options or has
foregone them and is nearing the end of their life.

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So it's really about palliative care at that point and
just making you feel as comfortable as possible. My mother
was in hospice care for all of four days before
she passed away. But then on Wednesday, Mica Wrotunda, Mike's daughter,
brain Bow's sister, issued the following statement clarifying that her
dad is not in hospice care, but rather he is

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in a rehab center after suffering a massive heart attack.
She said, our family would like to take a moment
to iorify some information currently circulating online regarding my father
Mike Rotunda. Yes, my uncle Barry did make a comment
mentioning that my father is in hospice care while answering
a question about my late brother Wyndham, whom we lost

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two years ago. My father is not in hospice, but
rather in a rehabilitation center. He suffered a massive heart
attack on September twentieth, was in a coma for a
week and spent over a month hospitalized. By the grace
of God, he has now transitioned into a rehab center
where our family remains present, hopeful, and focused on his recovery.

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It has already been a long road, and we know
there is still a long road ahead, but our faith
in God remains strong. Anyone who knows my dad knows
that it's his strength, work, ethic, and athleticism that have
carried him through not just this, but every challenge life
has thrown his way. If there's one person I have
faith in, it's Captain Mike. We are deeply grateful for
the outpouring of love, prayers, and support from the wrestling

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world at our local communities at this time, and we
kindly ask for privacy as we continue walking this journey together,
but we warmly welcome continued prayers and healing thoughts for
his recovery. So that would explain why Bo Dallas has
been absent from television recently. He has not appeared in
any of the Wyatt Six segments and there haven't been

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that many of them, but the ones that there have been,
he has been absent from those segments. They just posted
a YouTube video actually showing all the members minus Bo,
going through the Wyatt six Haunted House in Orlando as
part of their Halloween Horranights, and I think the last
night for it actually is tonight, and it was heartbreaking

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seeing Eric Rowan get so broken up about Bray and Brody.
You know, he's the last one left of the original
Wyatt family, so especially when they went through the swamp
room I think he called it. They had a camera
following them. It was like a vlog, and so they
had a camera following them, and multiple times in the video,

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Rowan just breaks down, like you could just see the
hurt in his eyes and just how hurt he is
still about losing his brothers because that's what they were
to him. I mean, they weren't just people that he
worked with, you know, they were brothers and they should
both be here right now and they're not, and it sucks.
So it was heartbreaking seeing him like that. But in

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any event, Bo has not been around now we know why,
and Mike is not in hospice, which is great but
it sounds like it'll be a long road ahead for him.
I saw people giving the wrestling news websites a lot
of shit for not fact checking, and you know, normally
I would agree a lot of them will just post
shit without verifying it first. There are certain people, you know,
some of the more reputable sites, whether it be Fightful,

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whether it be pw Insider, even wrestle Votes, you know,
when they post stuff. But then you have some of
these other websites and the Facebook pages, these random wrestling
facebook pages, they're the worst. They are the absolute dirt worst,
some of them. Like I see some of these post
that come up in my feed, or somebody will send
me a screenshot and you would think like it's it's

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some sort of tease for a wrestler, something happened to them,
and it's like, oh my god, you know, tragic development here.
And then you click on it and the person got like,
you know, a fucking cold or something like thish is awful.
So there is a lot of misinformation that goes around
on a weekly basis. I see it, you see it.
It's a real thing, and you know, there is not

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a lot of fact checking going on. A lot of times.
But to be fair, it was a member of the
family who gave that update. It's not like it was
some rumor that somebody started at random and just people
ran with it. You know. Barry Wyndham himself is the
one who said that Mike Rotunda was in hospice care.
I mean, if you can't trust the family, then who
can you trust. So he either misspoke or he was misinformed.

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But he and Mike were inducted into the Hall of
Fame together last year as the US Express. They won
a couple of tag team titles together there wrestled at
the first Wrestle made. Mike went on to win three
more tag team titles in WWE as part of Money
Incorporated with Ted d Bassi in the IRS gimmick. You know,
it was a product of its time. It was very goofy,

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you know, but he got good heat for Vince McMahon
hated the IRS, so we got IRS, just like we
got the right to censor years later with Stevie Richards right.
That was born out of their fight with the Parents
Television Council. It makes you wonder what other ridiculous gimmicks
we had to suffer through on TV that actually came
from real life people that Vince McMahon did not like,

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but rotund to spend a lot of time in Crocket
Promotions and WCW also, So I mean, he had himself
a nice career and you know, Bo went through enough
losing his brother. I'm sure he scared to death about
losing his dad also, so he'll take whatever time he
needs and be back when he's ready to be back.
Hopefully all works out with Mike and he can eventually
make a full recovery. WWE held its penn ultimate edition

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of Saturday Nights Made event last night in Salt Lake City,
a show that was carried largely by good matches, nothing great,
with a very underwhelming main event and a major announcement
regarding John Cena's final opponent. And that is where I
will begin. John Cena was not there in Utah, but
they aired a clip from a sit down interview that

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he did with Fox Sports reporter Tom Rinaldi where he
reiterated that after and he's been very adamant about this,
he reiterated that after next month, we will never see
him back in the ring wrestling ever again. None of
these fake ass wrestling retirements. He means what he says.
December thirteenth in DC will be your last chance to
ever see John Cena sporting the Jorts in a wrestling

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ring and then in a separate video package. Sena said
that he's never been one to pick his opponents and
this time will not be any different. He believes the
opportunity to wrestle him in his final match should not
be given, it should be hard earned, and so starting
a week from Monday live on Raw in his hometown
of Boston, WWE will kick off what they are calling

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the Last Time is Now tournament with a sixteen man
bracket to decide on his final opponent, and he said
that it will include stars from Raw, from SmackDown, from NXT,
and even some faces that don't work there from other places.
So Meltzer's report of a tournament a few weeks ago
was accurate. There was never any chance of them doing

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a tournament for the World Heavyweight title of this was
the plan all along. No way they were going to
run two different tournaments like this at the same time
on TV, especially since there would I'm sure be overlap
with some of the names in both tournaments. You just
can't do that. It's too bad, but I understand it
as far as this idea, though I love this idea.
This is a coveted spot. It should be treated as such.

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Right to be able to say that you were the
last person to ever stepped foot in the ring with
someone who WWE routinely refers to as the greatest of
all time. Everybody should want to be in that spot,
and it's a great way to inject some life into
these weekly shows, especially on Fridays. They could use it.
I like that. I like that it is cross branded.

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I don't see why it wouldn't be. I like that
NXT is included because that opens it up to people
like Obafemi, Ricky Saints, Javon Evans right to be a
part of this, and apparently even Brooks Jensen. I have
no interest in seeing Brooks Jensen hogging up a spot
in this thing, but he has got an ax to

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grind with John Cena. He tweeted, it's been twenty two
years since John Cena screwed my father's career over maybe
my time is now. So if you don't know what
this is in reference to Brooks Jensen is the son
of former WWE star Bull Buchanon. Bulb Buchanan got a
big character makeover after his days in the Truth Commission

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and then the Right to Censor. They sent him back,
I think, to Ohio Valley for a while and they
repackaged him as John Cena is hype man. When Sena
was first starting his Doctor of Daganomics gimmick and Sina
started calling him b Squared and he would always yell
boo yah at the end of it, like fucking Shane McMahon.
At the end of every Scena freestyle, Sena would finish

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and he would give him the mic and go boo yah, right,
that was his gimmick. And so I remember they brought
him back actually on raw God what year was this.
They did a John Cena This is Your Life segment
with Mick Foley as the host, and they brought back
Bull Buchanan, who went off on how he got fired,
then his wife left him, and then he got rabies

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from a dog bite or something I don't know, some nonsense,
and he blamed Sena. He said John Cena ruined his life.
So now I guess his son is taking up for
dear old dad and looking for revenge. I think that
pairing lasted like two months. They weren't together for very long.
But yeah, I would say that of the sixteen spots

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in this thing, we can do without wasting one on
B Square Junior. But the faces from other places that
makes this a lot more interesting. And obviously people are
immediately going to think of Adam Copeland. We are not
getting another Sena Edge match. Okay, I said this. Last night.
There was talk that Copeland's contract with AW may have

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expired in October. Again, I don't know where that started.
I actually think it's next October that his contract might
be up. But unless his deal very quietly expired, and
it's hard to keep secrets like that in wrestling, Okay,
that would be a hell of a thing if that
man's contract expired and nobody said anything about it. Tony
Kahan has already he's been asked about Copeland. He's already

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said he's out filming and he's looking forward to having
him back on TV. Edge is not going to be
in this tournament, right. We all know the wrestlers all
get along between WWE and AW. It's not a wrestler issue, Okay.
We know about the tribalism among the fan base and
I mean, that's about as toxic as it gets empathetic

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and just ridiculous. So the wrestlers, they all get along well,
I mean all but punk in the elite, I guess.
But the other wrestlers they get along fine. But do
you not understand the hatred that exists between the people
who run these two companies like and WWE constantly counter
programming AW, yet fucking Andrades showing up on Dynamite and

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then immediately disappearing when WWE reminded him about the non
compete that he has. Fucking Alex Luger said he wanted
Sting to induct him into the Hall of Fame this year.
I don't know if there were ever any real efforts
to make that happen, but he was pretty public about it,
and they couldn't even work something out to allow Sting,

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who was already retired. I mean, I get he may
still be under some sort of AW deal, but he's
retired and they couldn't work something out to allow him
to induct one of his best friends into the Hall
of Fame. Like, these are not two companies that get along. Well,
do you honestly believe that Tony Khan would allow wwe

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to use Adam Copeland then have him lose no less
like I cannot imagine those conversations are happening. You are
setting yourself up for some massive disappointment if you are
waiting to see him back for this tournament. Now they're
talking about TNA, that's what they're talking about when they say, oh,
people from other places who don't work here, and they've

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got plenty of people to choose from there like Nick Neameth,
Matt Cardona, Mike Santana, Jeff Hardy. He believed John Cena
and Jeff Hardy only had one match together. It was
a random raw match like seventeen years ago. Joe Hendry.
Joe Hendry has been lobbying for a match with John

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Cena all year. Of course he's going to be in
this tournament. And that's to say nothing of all the
names that are on the main roster. Right, Seamus should
get a spot in there. He's got history with Sena.
I could see Mizzing Carmelo Hayes having their match in
the tournament because we know they're gonna have a match soon.
Ilia Dragonov. He's been killing it since he came back.

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He has inherited the US Title Open Challenge that was
born out of John Cena's championship around ten years ago.
He's been the one bright spot on smack then every
week since he came back. But at the end of
the day, this is a vehicle for the return of Gunther.
Gunther already retired one guy this year, some white guy

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I don't know. I think it's pronounced the Guldberg, and
now he's gonna retire John Cena. This tournament is his
to lose. I would love to see a Gunther Dragonov final,
the Mad Dragon and the Ring General. I would think
the finals would be held at Survivor Series because Saturday
Night's main event is only two weeks later. A Gunther

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Dragonov final in San Diego, please and thank you. As
for the rest of the show, we have two new champions.
I'm punk is the new World Heavyweight Champion and Jade
Cargill is the new WWE Women's Champion. And with Cody
Rhoades as the WWE Champion, Ricky Saints as the NXT Champion,

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Ethan Page as the Men's North American Champion, and Blake
Monroe as the Women's North American Champion, you might say
that's a pretty elite group of titleholders they have right now.
This was the most enjoyable Saturday Night's Main event yet
for this reason, and I'm not even talking about the
quality of the show. No commercials during the actual matches,

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because they're not on NBC anymore. It's Peacock only here
in the States. We got ten minutes worth of commercials
in between the matches, which is why we only had
four of them on the entire show. But I can
live with that so long as they're not disruptive to
the actual matches. I'm fine with that, right. I mean,
they got to pay the bills. I get it. Gives
me time to finish my notes after each match between

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the ads and the fifteen minute ends inferances when they
come back. I got plenty of time. So at least
we don't have to worry about John Cen his final
match being sliced up the way that his SmackDown match
was against Sammy's Ain. Also, this was the first Saturday
Night's Main event without Jesse Ventur, so he appears to
be gone all because he spoke his mind and he

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told the truth about that dumb finish in the cage
match with Damian Priest and Drew McIntyre. They have not
had him back on commentary since he did some hosting,
and now they don't even have him doing that unless
he wasn't there because Joe Testitur wasn't going to be there.
You know, Joe Testitaur is usually in the mean gene
role as the host. Then they scripted out a bunch

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of shit for Jesse to say as a sidekick. Testator
had college football commitments this weekend, as I'm sure he
will probably the entire season here, so he was not there.
But believe me, if they wanted Jesse back, he would
have been there. They would have found some other role
for him, or they would have had someone stand in
for Joe tests. I guess Jesse was a little too

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honest for them. Now. They opened the show with Cody
Roads and Drew McIntyre for the WWEE Championship, and on
SmackDown Friday Night they had their contract signing and they
added a few stipulations to try to make things a
little more interesting, and those stipulations were that if Cody
Roads were to be disqualified or were to be counted out,

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he would lose the WWE Championship and what we ended
up with here, they basically had the same match they
had at Wressell Palooza, right down to the lousy finish.
This match may have been slightly better, so it was
a good match and then just a very underwhelming finish.
McIntyre was constantly trying to god Cody into a count

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out or goad him into being disqualified. Cody would not
take the bait, and it came down to the title
belt being introduced into the ring by McIntyre and we
got a referee bump. This referee, by the way, he
was lightly squashed in the corner, but you would think
that he he got sniped by somebody camping in the
rafters like he was just completely preposterous. And Cody ended

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up delivering a DDT onto the belt and then he
ditched the evidence and he finished off McIntyre with one
crossroads and he retained the title even without the champion's advantage.
Cody retains anyway, just as he did at Wressel Palooza.
And in that match, if you remember, Drew put his
own foot through the announced desk and he hurt his

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foot which led to him losing. But he would go
on to blame the referee for it, because the referee
tried to stop him from doing so right before he
was going to deliver that kick. Remember, the referee dove
out of the ring and said no, no, no, even
though there was nothing illegal about him doing that, right.
That was his gripe coming out of the match. And
here his new gripe is going to be that he
got ddted onto the belt, which should have been a disqualification.

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He should be the champion right now, even though he's
the one who introduced the belt into the ring in
the first place. But in both cases, let's just be honest.
He got he got beat clean. As with his King
of the Ring win, Cody's King of the Ring win
over Randy Orton Cody Rhodes, he merely capitalized off of
the circumstances that were presented to him to keep his

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title right in that match, it was Orton messing around,
I think with the turnbuckle pad. This does seem to
be a recurring theme I'm noticing now with Cody does
it right? Cody taking advantage of other people's mistakes and
having no problem in doing so. It seems that he
has learned from his Wrestlemanium mistake against John Cena. I
love it. I love it when a dumb babyface finds

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the cure. It's a terrible disease, but it can be cured.
I was half expecting to see all the tweets on
x vaxed was Cody vaxed? Since that's what I see
on there all the time. Anyway, you can't fucking sneeze
without some idiot asking voxed. A local man was killed
today when an eighteen wheelers slammed into his VW bug.

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The car burst into flames, scattering ash across a five
mile radius. Yes, but was he vaxxed? These are the
pressing questions that need to be answered. I have some
questions of my own for these people, namely, how many
times did your mother fuck her brother or as you
call him, dad? But Cody is cured, and Drew McIntyre,

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he has shifted into that territory with Kevin Owens and
La Knight where they simply cannot win the Big One.
I know Drew won the Big One five years ago
in front of no fans, but he has been out
in the desert ever since. And you just get to
a point where even if they run this back again
at Survivor Series, and they very well might, maybe with

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Randy Orton thrown in as well, if he ever comes
back to work. Even if Drew finally wins at Survivor Series,
will anyone care? Like, that's the question, will anyone even care? Like? Originally,
from what we have been told, this match was going
to take place at Survivor Series, and the only reason

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it didn't was because they were going to run back
at Drew McIntyre Jacob Fatu match last night on Saturday
Night's main event. I presume McIntyre would have won and
would have gone on to Survivor Series, Right, maybe not,
but let's assume that was the case. Like, is that
the finish that they would have given us in San Diego?
You know how awful that would have been to drag

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this thing out for another month and give us the
same dog shit finish they gave us last night Again,
if Drew finally wins the championship, is anybody going to care? Like?
How many times can you say that you were going
to do something and consistently fail before people stop giving
a shit? Like? What else is left for these two

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to even talk about? On TV? How many times are
they going to say the same thing over and over
again to build to another match. They have to bring
Randy back for that reason alone, if they intend to
run this thing back, because I don't know how many
more of the same promo I can tolerate Between these
two between now and Survivor Series, right, they've talked about
their parallel pads and their careers, and Cody says we

(29:13):
should be Oh, you a dead of gratitude and you
know you left and you got fired and you came back,
and McIntyre talks about Cody being a fraud and I'm
a good person and you're not. It's like, okay, that
was fine for this match, but what are you gonna
do for the next four weeks. Jade Cargill, she's the
new WWE Women's Champion, won the title from Tiffany Stratton

(29:36):
in less than five minutes, or maybe it was around
five minutes. This was I said this last night. This
was the female equivalent of brock Lesnar against John Cena
at Russell Paloozo, where Sena got a little bit of
offense and it wasn't a total one hundred percent squash.
It was only a ninety five percent squash, and Jay
took most of the match, and she looked dominant, and

(29:58):
she just beat Tiffin straight up in the middle of
the ring and won the championship and just looked like
an absolute monster in doing so. Just destroyed this woman
in a way that we have not seen Tiffany treated
at all this year, where she spent most of the
year undefeated. So they gave Tiffany some hope spots. But
this was a match that played to Jade's strengths, which

(30:18):
is those big power moves and keeping the match fairly limited. Again,
they went five minutes. It wasn't a long drawn out thing.
She didn't have to go in there and sell and
do all sorts of stuff like that. Jade is the
one who just got turned heel. Tiffany is the one
who they gave the out two in this match because
her knee was all wrapped up from the attack the

(30:39):
other week. She had the bad knee, and they used
that as a way to protect her as much as
they could, so she's not hurt by the loss. Even
though I think that I'm giving my soapbox here for
a second, I think that they spend way too much
time protecting people and not trusting enough in their own
talent or their own booking ability allowed them to suffer

(31:01):
clean losses more often not. Everyone needs to be protected
at all times. Okay, Gunther is proof of that. Gunther
has taken lots of clean losses to Cody Rhodes, CM Punk,
Sammy's ain fucking jay Uso. It hasn't hurt him at all.
He's about to retire John Cena. But it just feels

(31:25):
like Bianca is waiting in the wings for Jade, and
that's going to be a WrestleMania match. It's just a
matter of when does Bianca come back. Supposedly she was
there in Salt Lake City. I don't if you're just
visiting or there for any particular reason to film stuff.
I don't know. So she's around, but it's just the
matter of when she's medically cleared and when are they

(31:45):
ready to bring her back now that Jade is the champion.
Who knows. Maybe they've been holding out Bianca and she's
been secretly cleared and they've been waiting for this moment
to bring her back. I hope. So the quicker they
can get her back on SmackDown, the better off that division.
Is going to be. Speaking of titles, Dominic Mysterio still
a double champion. He is still the Mega Intercontinental Champion.

(32:07):
With a winover Penta and Russev in their triple threat match.
I thought it was a fun match that never dragged.
They kept things moving along at a nice pace. By default.
It was the best thing on the entire show, you know,
match wise, and even even this match here, I mean
it was a good match. It wasn't like great or
anything like that. It's not going to be some memorable

(32:30):
triple threat match when this year is over and we
look back on some of the best matches on these
ples and special shows that they've done. But it was
the best thing on the show. I never bought into
the idea of dom losing the belt here. I don't
know where they go from here with Penta and Russev.
They've had some It's kind of like Drew, where yeah,
they've had so many opportunities that you just get to

(32:51):
a point where it's like, all right, it's time to
move on to something else here. And if Meltzer is
to be believed, and he was right about the tournament
for John Cena that he all so mentioned that the
planned for Survivor Series was to do a match between
John Cena and Dominic Masterio, but the Intercontinental title likely
would see a winning the championship and defending it in

(33:12):
his final match next month against Gunther or whoever it's
going to be, and I could do without that, but
it is what it is. If that's the case, then
we know what Dom's next direction is going to be.
So what that means for Penta, I don't know. But
then in the main event we had Cmpunk winning the
World Heavyweight Championship. He went one on one with jay Uzo.

(33:37):
This was not a match that I was at all
excited for. Of all the potential options they could have
gone with here, they went with the one that I
thought was the most boring. But they put them in
the main event and the world championships on the line,
so at least there's something tangible here, and it's like,
all right, I don't know that I've ever seen these
two have a singles match before. Let's see how this goes.

(34:01):
And as it was, this was easily one of the
worst big CM punk matches of the year. He's had
some really good matches. I've seen jay Uso have better matches.
I think a lot of it comes down to who
he's in the ring with, and with Punk. We know
Punk can still have great matches, but you know it's
fifty to fifty how it's going to go. Last night

(34:23):
was not it. I did not like this main event.
They had a bad match and it started to really
break down early in the match. There was a neck
breaker spot and Punk was going for a simple neck
breaker here and Jay looked like he just kept rotating
as Punk was trying to turn him, and it just
fell apart and it just didn't look good. And there

(34:46):
was another spot that came after this, also with a
spear attempt by Jay out of the corner that just
didn't look right. But you could tell that Punk was
miffed about the neck breaker botch because he immediately gets
out up and he kicks Jay right in the fucking head.
And then they redid the spot, and it reminded me

(35:07):
of Vader not moving when he was supposed to at
SummerSlam when Sewn Michaels came off the top rope, Sshan
just lands on his feet and he just stomps him
right in the head. Brett did that with Davy Boy
in their Wembley match. Actually, Punk was part of that
watch along. They did a watch along years ago. I

(35:27):
forgot what the YouTube channel it was on. They did
a watch along of the Brett Hart British Bulldog match
and Brett was there and Punk was there. I think
Booker Team might have been part of it, and they
talked about the spot where Brett had Davy in a
sleeper hole and he really wanted Davy to milk the
sleeper before he got to the ropes thirty seconds, a minute,

(35:50):
you know whatever it was, but like build drama, right,
take your time, slow down, and Davy just rushes over
and grabs the rope and he killed all the drama
and Brett was pissed. So Brett stood up and he
just kicked him square in the face hard, maybe not
like a full on shot, but he kicked him hard
enough to wake his ass up, and then they redid

(36:11):
the spot. Maybe Punk had that on the brain since
he was part of that watch along, but I was
also thinking about this. Yeah, I mentioned when I was
doing my review of the match last night, there was
a moment where Punk gave Jay a go to sleep right,
one of the eighteen times he gave him a go
to sleep in this match, and Jay fell out of
the ring, right, He didn't fall out of the ring

(36:32):
like as a shoot. It was part of the spot.
But he falls out of the ring and Punk goes
outside and he grabs a bottle of water and he
pours the water on Jay and then puts him back
in the ring, And I thought, well, that was strange,
like why would you do that? Maybe he was trying
to wake his ass up, because he didn't look like
he was all there in the first half of this match. Now,

(36:55):
they had a couple of good near falls near the end,
but it ended up taking a good half A doesn't
go to sleeps in this match for Punk to finally
put this man away and win the championship. So there
was no vision, we didn't see any of the bronze.
Jimmy Usso was there, but he never came out for
the match. There was no big turn, There was no
big shocking twist or a cliffhanger ending or anything like that.

(37:17):
They played it completely straight and basic, right down the
middle to keep the focus on this being CM Punk's
big World Championship win. Right, he won the title at SummerSlam,
he lost it five minutes later. Now he's going to
get a proper run, however long it lasts. I don't
know that it's going to WrestleMania, but however long it lasts,

(37:39):
now he is a proper world heavyweight champion. So they
wanted the focus to be squarely on that, and I
was one of those people hoping that they had something
else in mind here and we wouldn't actually get a winner.
But again, the John Cena tournament stuff, it just they
weren't going to do a tournament. They were not going
to drag this out any longer than they had to.
So if somebody had to win, Punk was the right choice,

(38:01):
if only to then have him, you know, put someone
like bron Breaker over Strong when he does drop the belt.
Jay Uso had his run. Let me say this about
jay Usso. Jay Uso had his run. Jay Usso should
no longer be anywhere near the World Heavyweight championship. The
first half of this match was embarrassing. First half of

(38:22):
this match was a sloppy mess. I don't know what
was going on with Jay. He looked gassed, he looked lethargic.
He got a little bit better as the match progressed,
but this is the main event, dude, Like you are
crowning a new world heavyweight champion. Where's the urgency? I
felt like I was watching half this match in slow motion.

(38:44):
And Jay has talked about this before, how he's used
to tagging in and out of matches with his brother,
but singles matches right there, that's a different beast altogether,
and how he gets blown up after his entrances. He
talked about this on the Unreal series on Netflix. I
think it was the second app. He gets blown up
doing all the yeating. Some people get blown up from eating.

(39:06):
Jay gets blown up from yeating. And you know he
was on the post raw show that they do the
post raw podcast on Monday with I think Sam Roberts
and Megan Morant, and Jay was on there talking about
being frustrated with people saying I'm just an entrance. He
did nothing in this match to shut those people up.
Do you know how many people on their roster would

(39:28):
kill to be in the position that he's in right now? Like,
you got to step it up, dude, so bron Breaker
will have his time? Now? Is not that time? WWE?
They have their idea for what they want that to
look like. When bron finally wins the Big one, and
so even with seth Rollins getting hurt, they don't intend
to deviate from those plans. So now we wait and see.

(39:49):
You know, do Punk end up in war Games tagging
with Roman reigns. That seems very likely to me. I'll
certainly take that over the MFTs being in Wargames. So
when this show was over, no surprise it all on
this show, it played out exactly the way that I
expected it to. Punk wins the belt, Jade wins the belt,
Cody keeps the belt, Dom keeps his belt. But because

(40:09):
we had two new champions crowned and the John Cena announcement,
this ended up being a newsworthy show for those reasons. Also,
the first Saturday Night's main event of twenty twenty six
will be held in Montreal January twenty fourth. SmackDown is
going to be held there the night before, so that
will make three straight months of Saturday Night's main event shows,
and just like this year, that one takes place a

(40:32):
week before the Royal Rumble.

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AW held its fright Night episode of Dynamite on Wednesday,
and I enjoyed it a lot more than I have
in a while, right down to the reveal with Hangman
Page dressed up as Tony Shavani. At the end of
the show, the Master of Disguise Hangman Adam Page, Samoa
Joe won a four way match over Bobby Lashley, Ricochet,
and Hook to become number one contender for the World

(41:36):
Championship at Full Gear. No surprise there, I mean, once
the ops turned on Hangman, you knew this was headed
for a rematch. The match itself was very good, albeit predictable.
Hook was in there despite a sixteen match win streak
to take the loss. Lastly and Ricochet. They canceled each
other out as the Hurt Syndicate and the Demand are

(41:58):
continuing their beef, and at that point I was waiting
for the State Puff marshmallow Man to show up and
reveal himself as Hangman, which is a gag they did
before many years ago on one of those Halloween episodes.
And throughout the night in the back we saw the
marshmallow Man and a bunch of other characters in costume,
as it turned out, just to throw us off the

(42:19):
scent so that when they came to the ring after
the main event, Joe had the ops disposed of each
one of them, and it wasn't Hagman under the marshmallow head,
it was some random dude. Joe then signed the contract
for full gear. Tony Schavanni was there. He was dressed
as the Phantom of the Opera, the same costume he
wore at Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety thirty five years ago.

(42:44):
Kevin Nash worked that show as one half of the
Master Blasters. He only debuted in the ring the month before.
That's how far back that goes. So he dusted off
the phantom mask for this one, and they did such
a good job with this. I did not even notice
that they had done that the old switcheroo. When Shavanni
left the ring, he was outside the ring. He was
still announcing stuff on the mic. You could hear him,

(43:07):
and then he eventually made his way back in. Or
so we thought to share in a toast to the
new number one contender, a toast to saboah Joe on
his big win. But it wasn't Shavanni. It was Hangman
disguised as Tony Shavanni. Right down to them playing Tony's
voice on the PA system, hyping full gear and having

(43:29):
Hangman Shavanni will call him in the background, so now
we could see him, right, We still didn't know that
it wasn't actually Tony, but you hear Tony's voice, and
so Hangman under this phantom mask is mouthing the words,
and he's raising the beer the beer bottle up of
the air, and he's like miming the words as if
he's actually speaking until the voice finally changes to Hangman's voice,

(43:52):
and then he smashed the beer bottle over Joe's head
and then he dropped him with a buckshot lariot. This
was very well done. They got me, They got me.
This may yet become an annubal thing now with Hangman
dressing up in some unexpected ridiculous way. But he did
say that he would make Joe's life a living hell
after what Joe did to him at Wrestle Dreams. So

(44:12):
this was the baby Face delivering on that promise with
a fun angle to close the show. The Callous Family
they had a summit that saw Don Callous leading his
bloated family down to the ring for the unveiling of
his latest painting. Takeshta was said to have had travel issues.
He was not there, Andrade obviously wasn't there. He was

(44:33):
there in spirit, and they unveiled the painting, which he
is calling La Familia, which had Callous shirtless and jacked
with a familiar tattoo across his abdomen, standing in front
of the rest of his family members, also shirtless. Of course,
Takeshna does eventually show up, he does not look very happy.
Ocatta is in the ring, he looks unimpressed by his arrival,

(44:55):
and they come face to face, and Callous has to
get in between the two of them. I need you, guys, okay,
I really and he's look at the Takeshda. I really
needs you to put the bad blood aside team up
together on collision. But go ahead right now and shake
Ocata his hand, which he does, only for Okada to

(45:16):
flip him off with the cheesiest smile on his face
that you will ever see. I saw someone online call
him the ultimate rage baiter. He really is, he really is.
You'll note how Don Callous, by the way, was telling
Takeshta to put his ego aside and shake o'cata's hand,
even though Okada is really the one who instigated all
of this and he's the one who's been stoking the

(45:36):
fire now for weeks and weeks. Just goes to show
you who Callus clearly favors between the two of them,
and who he's going to be sticking with when this
thing finally blows up. I think the stuff with Okada
the last few months has been tremendous, and linking him
up with Callus was a very good move. But now
it is time to elevate Takeshta to that next level,
which should be the whole point here, and I assume

(45:58):
it is. They've really been taking their time to build
this up properly. You know, we hear so much and
talk so much about the importance not just the vin ring,
which AW I mean they've got that down path, but
the importance of story and angles and week to week
television and coming up with interesting stories. This right here,
I'll be honest with you, This story right here, that's
a very simple one, but you could see the tension

(46:20):
between these two guys. This is the best story going
in AW right now. Like as far as like the
episodic television week to week and the way they've been
building this up. This is this is my favorite thing
on any of their shows. And as good as some
of the matches were on that show on Wednesday, it
was the non wrestling stuff right like the Hangman angle
and the Kallus family stuff that really helped carry this show.

(46:42):
This is the kind of segment that we need to
see AW do more of something that we would not
normally see beyond like a match or a video package
something like that, to really help build these feuds and
build these matches up, and more character development, like even
the segment from a few weeks ago, right before Takeshta
won the IWGP title, where we had the rest of

(47:04):
the family. They were celebrating Don Kallis's birthday. They're at
like this big dinner table and Takeshta sent in a
video message from Japan and Okata uses the remote to
cut off the end of the message and then he says, Oh,
I hit the wrong button. I'm so sorry, Like that
was genuinely funny. His comedic timing is just tremendous. That's

(47:25):
the type of stuff that I want to see more
of on these shows. You know, they may do out
of ring stuff sometimes that doesn't hit. Not all of
it is great. Not all of it is funny. Same
thing with WWE. A lot of it isn't funny, but
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defeated Hiroki Goto this morning, the same Goto playing I
Honda in the New Street Fighter movie, to retain his
IWGP championship at the Hiroshi Tanahashi final homecoming show in
Tanahashi's birthplace of Gifu. After the match. Takeshta cuta promo

(50:20):
wanting to know who his opponent would be at the
Tokyo Dome on January fourth, and outwalked the IWGP Global champion,
Yota Suji, who beat Tanahashi in the semi main on
the show. He accepted the challenge, and Takeshta demanded that
Suji put his global title on the line, which he
agreed to do. So the main event at Russell Kingdom

(50:40):
is now official. It will be a double title match
between Takeshta and Suji. Six years after Nito beat Okata
in the Dome main event in that first Double Gold Dash.
We're getting another double Gold Dash here, and I've been
saying it for months. You've heard me say this multiple
times here on the podcast. When I've come on this,

(51:01):
I've mentioned specifically Yotasuji as one of their young stars
they've been pushing. I mean, I say young, and he
is young, but the man is thirty two years old.
But that's young compared to what their main events scenees
look like. These guys have aged out very badly and
it's time to anoint the next generation of top stars,
and Yo Tasuji can be one of those guys, if

(51:22):
not the guy, he is exactly the kind of name
that should be elevated by beating someone like Takeshta at
the Tokyo Dome. And they did not say that it
would be a unification match. Doesn't mean it won't end
up being one. But as best as I can tell,
this is not a unification match. This is just a
double title match, which means the winner will be a
double champion. Takeshta may be a triple champion if he

(51:44):
wins that match, because the week before aw has World's
End and I have my money on a final in
the Continental Classic between Takeshta and Okada. That's going to
be one hell of a schedule. By the way, for Takeshta,
he goes right from the Continental Classic in all those
weeks of matches to defending in the main event of

(52:05):
the Tokyo Dome one week later. But he should not
be a triple champion. He should not be a triple champion.
He should not be a double champion. We have enough
of those as it is. Him beating Yotasuji would be
a very big mistake. And I know he's under contract.
He's got like a triple contract with AW and New
Japan and DDT, so he is under contract with New Japan,

(52:27):
but he's not a New Japan guy. He's an AW guy.
That is where he spends most of his time, and
to have the AW guy beating Yotasuji on their biggest
show of the year would be very counterproductive. This is
going to be the most watched Tokyo Dome show in years, Okay,
maybe even a couple of decades, because remember it's airing

(52:47):
live on TV Asahi that legitimately has not happened in
more than twenty years. They've got Tanahashi's retirement match. They've
got the debut of this guy, Aaron Wolf, who was
a big celebrity in Japan over there, big athlete, olympian.
This is his first wrestling match on that show. That's
his debut. He's wrestling evil. It's gonna be a big,

(53:10):
big show. I cannot think of a better place for
them to crown Suji as their next top star than
right there. It'd be cool if they unified the belt
and got rid of the Global title altogether and brought
back the Intercontinental title, but I'm pretty sure the reason
they dumped it in the first place is because WWE
filed the trademark on the term Intercontinental Championship, which they

(53:32):
did about five about five years ago, I think, because
I don't even think it was a year later, right,
it was twenty twenty one. New Japan got rid of
the belt and they merged it with the IWGP belt,
like even if that trademark didn't really apply overseas to
like overseas use, I would imagine that as they wanted

(53:52):
to continue expanding into the US and they were running
more US events, right, I mean, New Japan probably did
not want to deal with the headaches that would be
involved in promoting intercontinental title matches here in the US
on any of their shows and running a foul of WWE.

(54:13):
So that's probably why it went away in the first place. Now,
some people may be disappointed that or surprised that it
is not Takeshta against Okada in the Tokyo Dome. I
don't know why you would think they would do it
there when you know that AW wants the match, and
they're very likely going to be doing the match a
week earlier. Why would New Japan want their sloppy seconds

(54:36):
in the main event of their biggest show of the
year two. Aw guys know less right wrestling for your belt?
That would be very dumb. So what it does now
is it frees up Okada, who absolutely can be on
that Tokyo Dome show. But there's something else going on.
Tanahashi is having his final match, and it frees up

(54:57):
Okada to wrestle Tanahashi in what is going to be
the last chance we will ever have to see these
two in the ring together. Tanahashi at that show this morning,
he was asked by Ghetto. They had a backstage segment
and he was asked by Ghetto, have you decided on
your final opponent yet? And Tanahashi said, I don't pick
my opponents. We're gonna hold a tournament to decide who

(55:18):
that person will be. Oh wait, I'm sorry, that's the
wrong retirement match. I'm sorry, that's the other one. No.
Tanahashi said that he had not shows and yet, so
Ghetto told him, if you need one, I will prepare
an opponent for you. Now, who has a past with Ghetto? Hmm?

(55:40):
I wonder who has a pass with Tanahashi Okada. Tanahashi's
next match is on November eighth. He's gonna be an Ajo.
You know who was born in Ajo, Okada? Do you
know whose birthday it is on November eighth, Okada? That

(56:01):
would be the perfect place to announce it. I think
we're getting one last match between Tanahashi and Okada, his
greatest rival. It is the rivalry that defined an entire
generation of New Japan Pro wrestling. It is the rivalry
that put New Japan back on the map after some
very dark days. Those are the two men who built
that company into what it became before COVID hit Tanahashi

(56:23):
against Okada. That is the way. Also on Dynamite FTR,
they won a four way number one contenders match over
the Young Bucks and Jet Speed and Jurassic Express, so
they get to challenge Brodido for the tag team titles
of Full Gear. That goes one of two ways. Either
FTR win the belts and they go on to defend

(56:45):
them against Adam Copeland and Christian Cage, or Copeland returns
on that show at Full Gear and cost them the belts.
I think Tony Kahan wants those titles on FTR so
that they can eventually drop them to Cope and Christian.
Now on Collision, they aired a segment that was filmed
backstage after Dynamite, where Don Kallis interrupted a Young Bucks

(57:06):
interview with Renee after their loss. They were down in
the dumps and Renee was asking them what's next for
the Young Bucks. So in walks Don Callous and he says,
I just met with Tony Kahan and I was able
to negotiate the first ever million dollar match. Oh my god,
they're escalating these prize money matches. They're into seven figures now.

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Tony Kahan has nothing better to waste his money on.
Isn't there a Sir mix a lot song he can
buy the rights to? Callous asked the Bucks, the team
with Josh Alexander to take on Jurassic Express and Kenny
Omega at Full Gear, and he said he would make
them rich once more. Yeah, the last time they gambled
away half a million at the casino, or at least

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Nick Jackson, did you know. Look, that sounds like a
perfectly fine trios match. But are are we really not
somewhat disappointed? And Kenny Omega's match at full Gear being
this random trios match, this feels like a match that
you would do in the main event of Dynamite. This

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is the Kenny Omega match for full Gear. Is he
physically that bad off that he just doesn't trust himself
to go in there right now and have a quality
singles matches. That's what's going on here. This feels like
a dynamite match. John Moxley had a rematch with Kyle
O'Reilly after getting himself intentionally disqualified the week before in
their first match, And the story with Moxley is that

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he panics when he is trapped in a submission hold
because he doesn't want to quit again the way he
did with Darby a wrestler dream. So last week he
hit the referee. This week he ended up outside the ring.
He was trapped in a guillotine that led to a
lame double count out finish. All held broke loose. After
the death Riders were out, then the other members of
the Conglomeration were out, and we got the official challenge

(58:52):
issued by Darby Allen and the Conglomeration to a blood
and guts match with the Death Riders next month. Two
blood and Guts matches two weeks before we get two
War Games matches at Survivor Series. You talk about running
a match type into the ground, but that'll hopefully be
where Moxley surrenders and the implosion of the Death Riders

(59:15):
can begin, because the biggest disappointment coming out of Wressel
Dream was the continuation of so many different feuds as
if Wressel Dream was a dream and it never even happened.
Darby and the Death Riders, especially Blood and Guts is
the place to end it. And speaking of Blood and Guts,
we now have the confirmed lineup with names for the

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men's match. This was announced on Collision last night. Representing
the Conglomeration. It will be Orange Cassidy, Kyle O'Reilly and
Mark Briscoe. Roderick Strong, who I guess the gimmick with
him is he doesn't really want to be part of
this group, but he kind of is. I guess. So Cassidy, O'Reilly, Briscoe, Strong,

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and Darby Allen are going to be taking on John Moxley,
Claudio Casignoli, Whiller You to Daniel Garcia and Pack. That
is your men's Blood and Guts match. Now over to
the women. The women's tag team titles. They will be
decided soon. We still don't know where and when I
would assume full gear. They opened the tournament this week

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with what I would consider an upset with Julia Hart
and Sky Blue beating Jamie Hayter and Queen Ami Nada.
That busted my bracket because I had Hater and Ami
Nada moving on to the finals. They will now take
on the winners of the match coming up this Wednesday,
with Mercedes Monet and Athena taking on Willow Nightingale and
Harley Cameron. Penelope Ford, who was going to team with

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Meghan Bain, is out of the tournament. She has a
torn UCL, which is a ligament in your elbow. It's
the injury baseball players, pitchers especially, they get Tommy John
surgery for. In her case, the recovery depends on how
bad the tear is and if she's gonna need surgery,
it could be a few months, could be a lot
longer than that. But she is out indefinitely, and so

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Marina Shafir has stepped into her place the team with
Meghan Bain. So they are going to be wrestling Ana
j and Tyme Mellow in the opening round, with the
winners of that match wrestling the winners of the match
with Tony Storm and Mina Shirakawa against Alex Windsor and
Rijo Hater and Amina To getting bounced out of the
opening round has me wondering if Mercedes and Athena even

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make it out of their match on Wednesday, let alone
go to the finals. I don't have them winning, but
I at least had them advancing in the tournament. Now
I'm not so sure I still have Tony and Mina
winning the belts either way. But here is the lineup
now for the women's Blooding Guts match. On the heel side,
it will be Mercedes Monet in her first Blooding Guts match,

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Meghan Bain, Marina Shafir, Tekla, Julia Hart and Sky Blue.
They're going to be taking on Chris Statlander, Tony Storm,
Harley Cameron, Jamie Hayter, Queen Ami Nada and Willow Nightingale.
So unlike the men's match and all the other previous
Blood and Guts matches, this is six on six, so

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there's twelve women in this and then there's ten men
in the men's match. All but two women in Blood
and Guts are involved in that tag team title tournament.
Mercedes and Statlander. They're on opposing sides, which makes sense
given that they're wrestling for the world title of Full Gear.
So everything ties together nicely for this match, and it
makes sense. So many of these women have been feuding

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now for months right, mostly on collision, but they have
been feuding for quite some time, and it feels like, Okay,
if you're gonna blow this off, this is how you
do it. You know, you do it in a blood
and guts match. That's how it should be done. If
you're gonna if you're gonna do a match like that,
then at least you know, it should be used as
sort of a battleground to blow off some long standing

(01:02:57):
issues that you know, some wrestlers have been having. Other
news and notes, the class action lawsuit brought against Logan
Paul over his alleged crypto scam, which got tossed out
by a judge in August, was reaffirmed by another judge
this week, officially putting it to rest. TMZ had the
story the case stemmed from Crypto Zoo, which was a

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twenty twenty one NFT game that Logan co founded that
promised players could earn money by breeding virtual animals. The
eggs that players purchased would then be hatched into random
animals that would proceed to breed new cartoon eggs that
would hatch and so on. Did anyone else see the
Black Mirror episode from the most recent season called Plaything?

(01:03:44):
This is giving me Plaything vibes if you know, you know,
not exactly the same thing, but it's kind of similar anyway,
The project never really got off the ground. Disgruntled investors
filed a class action lawsuit last year claiming Logan and
his team rug pulled the project and misled buyers. According
to a magistrate judge, the plaintiffs failed to link Logan

(01:04:05):
directly to their alleged losses. This week, of district judge agreed.
Logan's attorney, Jeff Neeman tells TMZ the district judge reaffirmed
that ruling, holding once again that no reasonable jur could
find Logan's statements misleading or fraudulent. With the case now dead,
Logan walks away without any sort of penalty, while Cryptozoo

(01:04:27):
investors are left with nothing but broken promises and unusable NFTs. Well,
if you're going to buy NFTs from Logan, Paul, that's
the risk you run. Yeah. Last year, he did announce
that he was establishing a buyback program to repay the
people who lost their money. I don't know if those
people were ever made whole or not. I hope they were.

(01:04:49):
But importantly, one of the requirements of said buyback program
was that they would waive all rights to sue him
over Crypto Zoo, which sounds more like a settlement to
me to have having to pay a lot more in
damages that he was being sued for. And then there's
Vince Russo bro a name that I did not think

(01:05:10):
I would ever hear about again. As far as working
for a wrestling promotion, he doesn't even like wrestling anymore.
He's talked about only watching it and reviewing good on
his shows as a way to make money and nothing more.
He's also offered his consulting services over the years to
WWE and AW consulting. You know full well have they

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offered him a writing gig. He'd ha taken that into heartbeat,
but no one was banging down his door offering him one,
and they're still not. So instead, he went out and
bought his way into one. He is now an investor
in Juggalo Championship Wrestling, which has a history that dates
back to nineteen ninety nine. It was founded by the

(01:05:53):
Insane Clown Posse, Shaggy two Dope and Violent j There
were rumors that the NWA had brought Russo into book
their shows, and Russo ran with it. But it was
pretty clear. You know, I listened to the actual clip.
I don't even know what show it was. It was
him and a co host, and it was brought up, oh, Vince, here,
you're writing now for the NWA, and just you know,

(01:06:15):
he kind of went on with it. It was pretty
clear that he was being facetious. Dave Meltzer initially reported
it as fact, but he is not affiliated with the NWA.
Not only is he invested in Juggalo Championship Wrestling. He
appeared on camera on at least one of their upcoming
episodes JCW. They issued a press release on Russo's involvement

(01:06:39):
with the company on Monday morning, saying known for his
controversial and era defining work in WWE, WCW, and TNA,
Russo appeared during the taping in a segment that immediately
has the wrestling world buzzing. His involvement marks a new
chapter for JCW, which has been gaining momentum with its

(01:06:59):
weekly Life Lunacy series which airs new episodes every Thursday
on YouTube. The wrestling world is buzzing, and here I
thought that was just the fly buzzing around my ear
because I left the window open. Lunacy is their flagship show.
It's also a great word to describe Vince Russo being
involved in a wrestling promotion in twenty twenty five. I'm

(01:07:22):
not even saying that wrestling is exciting right now, because
really it's not. And maybe Russo fits in perfectly with
whatever the Juggalos are doing over there, But listen to
what he's got in the can already, since he's already
written nine episodes of television, Okay, I'm wondering who beyond
the diehard JCW fans this is actually going to appeal to. Now.

(01:07:46):
I don't know if he was being serious about all
of this or not, but Russo says in the first
shows that he wrote, someone gets concussed. That's in storyline,
I assume, and they talk about concussion protocol. They drug
test again. In storyline. Not only do they drug test,
but the guy responsible for taking the drug test literally

(01:08:09):
stands next to the stall of the wrestler to make
sure that they are not using someone else's piss and
a female wrestler that is in danger of losing power
pulls the me too card. This is all in the
first nine episodes. Now, I went on their channel to
check out a recent episode from a few months ago

(01:08:29):
that was the most recent one that I could find,
and I'm scanning through it and I spot someone who
looks an awful lot like Brian Zaane, my friend Brian
Zaane of Wrestling with Regret, coming out to the old
Joy of Painting theme song I fucking love Bob Ross,

(01:08:49):
So I immediately recognized the music, and of course he
was coming out with like a painting and it was clear,
you know, it was a playoff of that. But I'm
watching this that I'm like, I have no idea what
I'm watching here. But the episode with russo on it
is slated to drop on Thanksgiving Day. It might actually
be more entertaining than Collision that night. This is just

(01:09:09):
I hate to say it, but this is just begging
for me to review it. This could be the greatest
worst thing of all time. One thing I will say
from the one episode that I was skimming through is
that they rely heavily on characters. And I mean characters
like as wild and wacky as you would expect. I
think that's something that is lost in wrestling right now,

(01:09:31):
like there aren't enough real characters. You've got some, but those,
you know, colorful characters are what made me a wrestling thing. Right,
That's not a bad thing. It can be. It's having
bad characters where it becomes an issue, But that is
something I think that is sort of a lost art
in wrestling, and I wish we had more of All Right,

(01:09:52):
it's mailbag time. You could email me the Solemn Monster
at gmail dot com. Please include your name of where
you are from, from New York. Take it away, he says,
with Candice Lay recently doing agent work similar to Pete
Dunn and Tyler Bate stuck in the Grande Americano universe.
Why does WWE continuously sign people who are highly skilled

(01:10:15):
in ring performers and then not allow them to show
out and be standout members of their divisions? And do
you think something will change where in ring based people
will start looking at WWE differently And I've never heard
it put that way before. In ring based people, you
mean wrestlers. They're all in ring based, But I know

(01:10:38):
what you mean. Highly skilled technical in ring performers. Look,
they know what they're getting themselves into when they sign.
And everybody signs with WWE or AW for different reasons.
Sometimes it's the money, and sometimes it's the money's important,
but it's not just the money. Sometimes it's because they
just think, Man, I'm not going to be a good

(01:10:59):
fit for this place, but I think I'll be a
better fit over there. That's how I felt about Josh Alexander.
I thought Josh Alexander going to AW made more sense,
you know, and then they added him to the many, many, many,
many members of the don Kallis family. Remains to be
seen whether or not that was the right move as
far as his career goes. But he made the decision
that he felt, you know, business wise, he needed to make.

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So a Candice Lay or a Peat Done or a
Tyler Bait. I don't know what their aspirations were. I
don't know if they aspired to one day do agent
work and if they wanted maybe they went to Triple
H or they went to Nick Conon and said, Hey,
I want to coach, I want to produce, I want
to do this, I want to do that, I want
to do more, and if so, maybe they only did
it because they're not being utilized right now. I cannot
imagine that a Pete Down or a Tyler Bait is happy,

(01:11:44):
you know, prior to the stuff they're doing now, maybe
maybe even now, but even before they were under the
mass doing the Grande Americanos stuff, I can't imagine that
they were happy sitting on the sidelines, you know. I
know Bait was hurt for a while, but that you know,
he's been okay now for quite some time. And they
made a good team. And even if you didn't have
them together as a team, like it's crazy to me

(01:12:06):
that you can't find good spots for some of these
people on the roster. I mean, look at Kaiser. Kaiser
has made the most of the Grande Americano stuff, you know,
since Chad Gable got hurt, and under that mask, he
is super over in Mexico. He goes to these Triple
A shows and it's like Dom, It's like two totally
different people. I mean, they're treated like rock stars down there.

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So I'm sure he's having the time of his life.
But before that, they were doing nothing with him. He
was coming to TV and sitting in the back and
doing nothing. And you cannot tell me that someone like
him is happy and content to sit in the back
and watch everybody else get opportunities. Right. But that's a
risk you run when you sign with a company like WWE.

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Unless you are this larger than life personality and you
are someone who comes in with a big name, you
don't know where you're gonna end up in the pecking
order there, and you may well get paid to sit
around doing a whole lot of nothing. And I'm sure
that's incredibly frustrating. Why does WWE sign these people? They

(01:13:12):
sign these people even if they don't see them as
top stars or main event level of performers. They sign
them because you need people like that on your roster.
You need to have people who were competent in the ring,
who could go out there and have great matches with
other people who are probably the ones getting pushed. They
need Pete Dunn and Tyler Bate or Candice Lay if

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you're in the women's division, you need people like that
to work with. That's why they signed them, even if
they have no intent on really pushing them. Seriously, they're
the workhorses of the roster. Doesn't make it right, but
you want to know why? That's why Alex from Milwaukee.
With the Vision being about Paul Hayman wanting bron Breaker

(01:13:54):
and Bronson reed to be patient and all to talk
about a third member being added, it got me thinking
how things can play out in the coming weeks. Bron
Breaker will start to lose patience with Paul Haman making
these promises while not being able to get the Vision
where they want to be because of Adam Pearce. This
would lead to Breaker adding a new member, with Tony
DiAngelo getting called up, with the reason being that he

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will be the fixer for the Vision by getting things
done faster than Hayman's politicking. With his gimmick being an
Italian mob boss of sorts, Tony would be the guy
to get dirt on Adam Pierce that could then be
used to blackmail him. Oh, this is getting Dark into
giving the Vision what they want. This in turn would
lead to Breaker becoming World Heavyweight Champion and eventually getting

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Hayman ousted from the Vision. When he eventually returns to
get revenge, Hayman would send brock Lesner after them, leading
to bron Breaker against brock Lesner. Do you think this
would be a good way to call up Tony DiAngelo.
You know, I have stated before that I am not
a fan of Tony DiAngelo being called up with this gimmick.

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I think it works fine in NXT. I think if
you call him up, unless there are serious tweaks and
changes made to this character, I just think this is
a road to nowhere. Adding Tony DiAngelo, the Italian mob
boss want to be to the Vision makes the Vision
look like a complete joke. I think that would be
a terrible idea. Now, if Tony DiAngelo wants to get

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a makeover and they want him to be called up
to the main roster with a completely different gimmick, then
maybe it could work. Him is the fixer and him
being the mob boss guy who comes out there doing
the accent and doing the mannerisms and everything. I cannot
envision them, no pun intended. I cannot envision them putting

(01:15:44):
him in the Vision, which is supposed to be the
top heel faction on this show and taken seriously. I'm sorry,
It's just hard for me to take that character seriously
in that type of spot. I don't see it now.
A bron Breaker brock Lesnar match down the road next
year or in twenty twenty seven. Sure, that's not the
way to get there. That Tony DiAngelo character should not

(01:16:07):
be inserted into the vision. You want to have him
in some sort of mid card faction. That's different in
the vision, though, I would keep him far away. Molly
from Toronto, Canada. There has been so many views or news,
so much news out there at the time with Triple
H sitting in production meetings and having so much input

(01:16:30):
in the storylines and match finishes. I think he's talking
about years ago, the Montreal screwjob in Davy Boy, losing
the European title to Shawn Michaels, even though he originally
wasn't supposed to. Triple H was very close with Sean
and he knew how much Vince loved him. Do you
think Triple H would have the balls to do any
of those things if it wasn't for his friendship with

(01:16:52):
Sean Michaels. Do you think Triple H would always have
been lined up to work in some sort of backstage
role with or without Stephanie. All Right, So that's two
completely different questions. Triple H having a voice behind the
scenes and speaking up absolutely had everything to do with
his friendship with Sean Michaels. Would he have had the

(01:17:14):
guts to stand up and say some of the things
he probably said, I'm going to say no. That's different
from asking would he have been lined up to eventually
work in a behind the scenes capacity had he not
married Stephanie McMahon. I'm going to say yes, that would
have happened. I'm not saying he would be the chief

(01:17:35):
content officer and running the show and being in the
Vince spot. I honestly don't think that happens were it
not for his marriage with Stephanie. But you got to remember,
Triple H was being invited into production meetings as far
back as nineteen ninety seven, long before he had any
sort of relationship on screen or off with Vince's daughter,

(01:17:56):
because Vince saw something in him that he took an
interest in it, and he allowed him into those meetings.
So that was already happening before he met Stephanie. So
I don't have any doubt that he would be involved,
you know, behind the scenes in some capacity. But do
I think he would be in the spot he's in
right now, No, I don't. I don't know who would
be It's a really good question, Probably Bruce. I don't

(01:18:18):
know Jacob from McCallen, Texas. I have a question that
has been irking me for a while. I always hear
about the Dudley's and the Hardy's and edging Christian, But
what about Too Cool? Are they hall of Fame worthy?
In my opinion, Brian Christopher and Scott Taylor contributed to
the Attitude era, as did their fellow teams. Is Too

(01:18:40):
Cool hall of Fame worthy? Are they wwe hall of
Fame worthy? Yes? I would put them in as a
trio with Rikeishi, even though Rakeshi already went in in
twenty fifteen. But they've put multiple people in multiple times,
So I mean, when does that stop them. Too Cool

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was already over before Rakeshi joined the act, But Rakkeishi
does not get over without Too Cool. I don't know
if that's a hot take, but that's my take. Rakeishi
does not get over the way that he did without
Too Cool without that pairing. And I know Scotty too Hot.
He was hot about Rakeshi not mentioning them in his
Hall of Fame speech. He felt very hurt by that.

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I did think that was kind of weird that he
wouldn't mention them. It's like Undertaker not mentioning Mick Foley
in his Hall of Fame speech. I just chalk that
one up to an oversight with RAKESHI. I don't know
what was going on in his head that he wouldn't
have mentioned these two, but they were super over during
that era, so sure I would put them in. That's
by the standards of what the WWE Hall of Fame is.

(01:19:45):
If we were to judge this as more of a
legitimate Hall of fame, they would not even be allowed
in the door without paying for a ticket. Okay, I'm sorry.
That's the truth, and you know I'm right. Nick from
the Bronx longtime listener from the TV Tracks days. I
was watching WWE's Vault YouTube channel this past weekend and

(01:20:07):
the WWE Wall Street event was uploaded. I noticed that
there was a logo for WWF Racing. I don't remember
WWF racing. Did ww did WWD? Now did WWE? That's
what it feels like lately. It's wwdre I'm gonna start
calling them that. Did WWE have a pro racing team

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that they sponsored? If so? Was it similar to WCW
having a monster truck team. Uh, yes, so what it was?
It was? It was in the Attitude era. They started
sponsoring a drag racing team. I think they were funny
cars and the cars were decked out in various logos
for WWF and also some of their bigger names like

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Stone Cold than the Rock. I think The Rock had
his own funny car. Yea. They were expanding into a
lot of things back then, which is how you know
they ended up with the rest on in Times Square.
By the way, if you didn't see that, that is
a hidden gem that they uploaded to that vault channel.
I think was last week. They had an event literally

(01:21:11):
outside on Wall Street. They set up a ring and
they had a whole bunch of matches and this was
in had to be the year two thousand. I think
it was about a year after they went public. But
they were switching from uh was it NASDAC to the
New York Stock Exchange or the other way around. I
forget which, but there was some kind of change that
was made and so they had a big event to

(01:21:34):
promote it. So that's the event that he's referring to.
Moully not another question in here from Toronto what are
some of the memorable short title reigns or title changes
for you? For example, when Jeff Hardy beat Triple H
in two thousand and one on SmackDown to win the
Intercontinental title, he lost it the following episode on Raw.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
For me, it's Mankind beating the Rock to win the
WWF title on Raw with the assists from Stone Cold,
one of the most memorable title changes of all time,
still to this day, the loudest pop at least I
wasn't in the building, but watching it on television and
the camera shaking and people losing their minds, the biggest
pop of all time, and his reign only lasted what

(01:22:19):
three weeks? You know? Foley once called himself the Brett
Hart of transitional champions. I love that now you're supposed
to transition the title from one person to another, and
his first two titles went right back to the Rock,
so it's not entirely accurate to call it, you know,
a transitional run each time. But at no point where

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any of his three title reigns intended to push him
as the top guy in the company. He was all
done with the intent of getting the belt off of
him as quickly as possible and onto the person that
they actually wanted that belt on what other ones? Andre
beating Hogan live on NBC to win the world title,
right and then immediately surrendering the belt to Ted Dbiassi.

(01:23:01):
Doesn't get any shorter than that. That one's pretty high
up on the list. Fucking thirty million people watched that one.
We oh Undertaker of course, this a year after he
debuted Undertaker at Survivor Series, beating Hulk Hogan to win
the championship. Oh and then he lost it like a

(01:23:21):
week later Tuesday in Texas, Roddy Piper he won the
Intercontinental title at the Royal Rumble. That was very memorable.
He had not won any championships in that company up
to that point, and he didn't hold it for very long.
He dropped it was a few months later, but he
dropped it to Brett at WrestleMania Cain of course, his

(01:23:42):
one day title reign in ninety eight. That one right there,
that is top three of the most memorable short title
reigns of all time. You gotta include that. And I
was just thinking about, like, man, the summer of ninety eight,
That summer was something else I can remember the feeling
of that summer man the summer of ninety eight and wrestling.

(01:24:03):
If you made a mount rushmore of wrestling summers, that
one would be front and center. Summer of ninety eight.
Chris Jericho is another one. Beating Triple H on Raw
for the WWF title in two thousand and then having
it taken away from him in the very next segment.
That title change was fantastic. It blew the roof off

(01:24:24):
the place. Jericho hadn't even been there a full year yet.
You know, I do miss I think there is something
to be said for short title runs. I'm not talking
about playing hot potato every week with the belts, but
I do miss short title runs. There's just too much
emphasis these days placed on the number of days that

(01:24:44):
someone is champion for, like they have become obsessed with records.
So and so has been the champion for a thousand days,
she's the forever champion. This person's been champion for five
hundred days. The judgment day, they've been tag team champion
for four hundred and thirty days with two title defenses.
Like it's fucking boring. Like one or two dominant people

(01:25:08):
with long runs, fine, but my God, why does everyone
need to have long title runs these days? Is the
competition for these belts in these companies that bad that
they have this many people going hundreds and hundreds of
days as champion? We got Chase pac from Braintree, Massachusetts.

(01:25:29):
You mentioned man tar on the streams a couple of
times this week. For your newer fans, can you clear
up for them exactly what makes up a man tar
fraction wise? You usually say it, but you did not
this week. Well, of course that would be half man,
half tar, half and half hope that helps Tommy from

(01:25:54):
Georgia buy to rent, to sell to, blade Runners, Surfer Sting,
crow Sting, Jokers Sting, Voto Sting, Grandpa Sting. Well, that
is a very intra sting question. Sorry, I had to.

(01:26:16):
I had to. I saw my opening, I had to
take it. So I gotta buy, to rent to and
sell to see. This one to me, though, is easy though.
You gotta buy on Surfersting and crow Sting like that's it.
You gotta buy on those two. Those are still the
two best versions of sting. I'm gonna rent Jokers Sting.
I know some people hated it. I was a fan

(01:26:37):
of Jokers Sting and TNA, and I'm gonna rent on
Vato Sting because that's a guy you don't want to
fuck with. And then I'm gonna sell on Blade Runners
thing and Grandpa's thing. Grandpa's thing is cool, but I mean,
let's be honest here, Grandpa Sting. You know, at this
stage of the game, he's not gonna be able to
do what Surfersting did or Crowsting did, so I got

(01:27:01):
to sell on him. Rayhon from Hanover, Germany. This November
marks the twentieth anniversary of the SmackDown versus Raw feud,
which led into Survivor Series two thousand and five. What
are your thoughts on this feud, what would you have
booked different about it, and which wrestlers would you have
changed in those respective teams. I don't really have much

(01:27:25):
in the way of thoughts on this. I just remember
it started with the two general managers, Eric Bischoff and
Teddy Long kind of needling one another, and then you know,
eventually they agreed to field a team, one team each
for a Survivor series, so we got Team Raw against
Team SmackDown. I know Eddie Guerrero was supposed to be
on the SmackDown team, but then he died like two

(01:27:47):
weeks before the show and they replaced him. I want
to say with Randy Orton, I know they had Carlito
and Chris Masters on Team Raw. I would have swiped
them out for some bigger name. I think their team
was weaker with them on it. Swipe them out with
who though I don't know. I don't remember the entire
makeup of the Raw roster at the time. I know

(01:28:10):
Edge was on Raw. I would have had him on
Team Raw. I don't know why he wasn't. Maybe he
was hurt. Couldn't have been too bad because it was
like a couple months later he cashed in money in
the bank. But I don't know, maybe he was hurt.
I don't remember him being on that show at all.
But that's about all I can offer on that. I
know John Cena and Kurt Angle had their own match,

(01:28:30):
so they couldn't be on either one of those teams.
Jim from Pennsylvania, I heard you mentioned the Dusty Rose
Hard Times promo on the podcast a few weeks ago,
and he got me thinking, what are some of your
favorite babyface promos in wrestling history? It seems like the
majority of the most memorable ones or either by heels
or worked shoots that get people talking. Babyface promos don't

(01:28:54):
get nearly as much attention. My personal two favorites would
have to be dustyse Hard Times, which still holds up
to this day, and Eddie Guerrero's promo on brock Lesner
before No Way Out. Well, you're right about one thing.
The greatest promos in wrestling history and the ones that
get talked about the most are primarily made up of
heel segments or pipe bombs, right to use that word.

(01:29:18):
Dusty's Hard Times promo is actually pretty routine stuff from
Dusty at that time, but it just resonated in a
way that other promos didn't, So it's kind of stand
the test of time. Eddie's promo, the addict one that
you're referring to, that's way up there too. That's a
really good one. I'm going to add in the Mankind
promo before the Royal Rumble in two thousand where he

(01:29:40):
transformed into Cactus Jack, Like the look on Triple H's
face was priceless, So that was a great one. And
I will throw in Daniel Bryan's retirement speech in WWE
where he talked about gratitude. Right, that was about his
heartfelt as it gets. Because all of my favorites are
heel promos. Right. I once ranked Jim Ross's sit Down

(01:30:03):
with Mankind, remember that three part sit down he did
with him. I ranked that as the greatest promo in
WWE history. I did a whole countdown. I stand by that,
But I don't think of that so much as a
babyface promo. Right. It was. It was a coming out
promo for him in a lot of ways, but then
he ended it by putting Jim Ross in the mandible claw,

(01:30:24):
so I can't call it a babyface promo. Green from Morocco, Buy,
sell and rent on these dog shit pay per view finishes,
Sting versus Hogan Stark ninety seven, Triple h against Booker
t WrestleMania in nineteen and The Fiend against Seth Rollins

(01:30:45):
Helena Cel twenty nineteen, And also would you have gone
to WrestleMania next year had it stayed in New Orleans? Yes,
there were discussions about airbnbs being booked already until WWE
switch back to Vegas, So I will not be there
if it was in New Orleans I would have gone. Now,

(01:31:05):
the last WWE show I went to I think of
any kind was WrestleMania thirty five. On the finishes, I mean,
what am I buying on, like the least shitty of
the bunch? Or am I buying on the worst of
the bunch? I'll buy on the worst? How about we'll
do it that way seth Rollins and the fiend Helen

(01:31:26):
is Cel. Never, never, ever should a Hell and a
Cell match end the way that that one ended, nor
should it be contested in the fucking dark by the way. Okay,
so I'm buying on that. I'm going to rent on
Triple h against Booker T and I'm gonna sell on
Sting and Hogan at Stark. So that makes it the

(01:31:48):
least shitty of the bunch, just because we still got
the Sting win in the end. Like had Hogan just
won the match and that was it, like he retains
the title after all that Bill, it would be the
worst finish in the history of wrestling. But as bad
as that was, at least Sting one. Like just looking

(01:32:08):
at these other ones and who actually went over, it's
like fucking awful, just terrible. Aaron from Tulsa Oklahoma. Last
week you listed off a bunch of ridiculous wrestling tropes,
But out of all of them, which one is your favorite?
My favorite probably the ref bump. We just saw one

(01:32:29):
last night, just the ref bump where the wrestler barely
touches them, but they sell it like they've been shot,
you know, when they're down for like fifteen minutes. It's
just so ridiculous, But like, that's wrestling. That's wrestling. Mike
from tunk Hannick, Pennsylvania. That's a new one with Maxine

(01:32:49):
Duprees count out win over Becky Lynch seeming to get
a good reaction from fans. Typically a count out finish
doesn't go over well, but it fit the story in
this case. What are some of the best undesirable or
fuck finishes ever? One of my favorites is when Finley
debuted on SmackDown in two thousand and six and he
got to qualify for kicking too much ass. As for

(01:33:10):
a match that ends in a draw, I would say
Mark Briscoe against Jay brisco at Ring of Honor's fifty
year Festival, where both wrestlers beat the brakes off each
other until neither one could get to their feet by
the count of ten. You want to talk about great
count out wins, it doesn't get any better than John
Moxley getting yanoed in the g One. What was that like?

(01:33:33):
Six years ago? Seven years ago? That was a huge upset,
Moxley's very first loss ever in New Japan because he
was on a roll and it came at the hands
of Toru Yano. Other men had felt the pain of
losing Tiana, but on this night it was John Moxley
who learned what that pain truly felt like, and thus

(01:33:56):
a meme was born. So that's a great one. What
else it was? Okay, so this one here, this was
not technically a DQ finish since it was an iron
Man match, But if you remember the last fall in
the Rock Triple H IRONMN match a Judgment Day in
two thousand, it's right there at the top for me.

(01:34:17):
Sean Michaels is the referee, he's knocked out, and the
McMahon Helmsley faction they're kicking the crap out of the Rock.
Undertaker debuts, He rides down to the ring. The American debuts,
is the American Badass? Not? He debuts. He debuts as
the American badass and he wipes them all out, only
for Michaels to wake up in time to see Undertaker

(01:34:39):
chokes laming Triple H, which means that Rock is disqualified
and Triple H wins the title. I think it ended
up being like six falls to five. It was an
all timer of a finish, and it was an all
timer of a crab reaction. I mean, I love that match,
but technically the deciding fall in that match was a disqualification.

(01:34:59):
Kurt ang Stone called Steve Austin Summer Slim in two
thousand and one. Austin was throwing everything at this guy
and it wasn't working. So what did he do? He
started cheating, and he started beating up referees and stunning referees,
and you know, ultimately, you know, got himself disqualified. So
I'm sure in the moment, like as I recall watching

(01:35:21):
that show, it was a very frustrating finish, but for
the story they were trying to tell there, it was
actually quite great. Shawn Michaels against Triple H on Raw
for the World Heavyweight Title in two thousand and three.
It was one of those finishes where you know, both
men's shoulders are down but you don't know it at first,
and he super kicks triple H. He lands on top

(01:35:43):
of him, and everybody in the building in San Antonio
thought that Sean pinned. They play his music. It's great reaction.
And Eric Bischoff, who had run in to I think
there was a ref bump. And then Bischoff, who was
the GM he ran out, counted the winning fall. But
Bischoff just goes right past Michael's with the belt and

(01:36:04):
gives it right back to triple H. And it's like, well,
take a look at the replay and sure enough, like
his shoulders were down, so I get a frustrating finish,
but like they pulled it off great. That one stands
out to me. John Cena Randy Orton, No Way Out
two thousand and eight. We were talking about this a
few months ago because I was wondering if they were

(01:36:24):
going to do a variation of the same finish in
their match at Backlash, But they had a match for
the championship. I don't remember it being anything special. And
Randy Orton, no matter what he does, he cannot put
away John Cena and Sna' is squaring up and Orton's
down like on his knees, and Mike Keyote is the referee,
and he's just like he's standing kind of in between them,
his hands are on his knees and he's looking at Orton.

(01:36:46):
He's looking at Sena, but he's kind of close to Orton,
so you can kind of tell something's about to happen.
And Orton just smacks him right in the face, doesn't
knock him out. But Keyota is like, what the fuck
and he just squadqualifies him. And when he calls for
the bell, the crowd pops because, I mean, how can
you not. It's kind of its genius. And he got

(01:37:09):
a big smirk on his face because he knew he
just retained his championship. He lost the match, but who
fucking cares. He got to keep his belt. That's the
kind of finish you could only get away with once
every now and then, Like you can't abuse a finish
like that. But you know, looking at it, like it
was very clever, you know, the way they did that.
I also think of another Randy Orton match when he

(01:37:30):
wrestled Christian. Defended the World Heavyweight Championship against Christian at
Money in the Bank in twenty eleven, and the title
could change hands in that match on a disqualification, So
he spat hawked a big loogie right in Orton's face,
and Orton just snapped and ended up kicking him. He
punk kicked him in the dick, and he got himself

(01:37:53):
disqualified and handed the title basically to Christian because that
was the stipulation that he could lose the championship by disqualification,
and the crowd pop for it. Even though Christian was
the heel and you got what otherwise would be a
lame dq finish in a pay per view match, they
pop for it like you would think he was a
babyface and the main event winning the World Championship for
the first time. They loved it. So those are some

(01:38:16):
of the ones that stand out to me. I'm sure
there are others. You guys can chime in, maybe you
get your own favorites. Good stuff. Though I'm going to
tie this thing back up. We will save the questions
for next week. Keep emailing me thesolomn Monster at gmail
dot com. It's especially useful when you have weeks like
this where honestly there's just not a lot of hard news,

(01:38:37):
you know. Thankfully we had that Saturday night's main event
show and stuff coming out of it to talk about.
But there just hasn't been a lot of real news lately,
so that makes me dive even deeper into the mailbag.
And so bring the questions and I will do my
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That is going to be episode nine th seven of
the Solo Monster Sounds Off. As we head into Thanksgiving

(01:39:20):
it a few weeks and I am very thankful for
all of your support this week. So be well, stay safe,
have yourselves a great rest of your week, and come
on back for nine to thirty seven next Sunday. Until then,
take care, guys. The Solemn Monster Sounds Off. So you
got Moxley on one side, you got Darby on the other.
Moxley said, look I did what I could for Danielson,

(01:39:41):
But this is a war for the future of the
sports and for their craze. You know, they're running conc
What is it with these Shield guys? You know here
on this show, you've got John Moxley forming his own faction,
coming out every week and talking about the future of
the industry, the future of the company, the future of
the sports. You got Seth Rollins on the other show,
forming his own faction and coming out and basically doing

(01:40:02):
the same thing. I'm fighting for the future, right, Everything
is so epic, like this match that you and I
are about to have, Cody, It's a fight for the
future of this company. Like fuck aw, what is this nonsense?
I don't recall like Stone Cold or The Rock or
The Undertaker coming out on television every week with John
Cito or Randy Orton, even if you want to use
a different era as an exam, coming out on television
and cutting these fucking boring promos on television every single week,

(01:40:23):
over and over and over again about the same fucking shit.
We gotta save the future of the company. How about
you worry about yourself? How about worrying about the here
and now and not fucking five or ten years from now?
What is it with these Shield guys? At least Roman
Reigns doesn't give a fuck about the future he comes out.
He just cares about himself. I respect that. Fuck everybody
else well.

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