December 23, 2025 • 37 mins
The third quarter economic news came in better than just about anyone expected, so why is there widespread sentiment that the economy is struggling? Former Trump economist Stephen Moore explores the "vibecession" and what the real situation is for ordinary Americans. Plus, Batya Ungar-Sargon reacts to AmFest, and Andrew makes a bid to overcome her skepticism about Vice President Vance.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right, welcome back to The Charlie Kirk Show. Hour
two is underway and President Trump got an early Christmas
present with some amazing economic news that came out this morning.
So here to unpack that with us is former Trump
economic advisor.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And now he's with unleashed prosperity.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And that's of course Steven Moore, a longtime guest on
this show and good friend of Charlie's.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Stephen, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
On a scale of one to ten, how good was
this news that broke this morning?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Four point three growth Q three for GDP.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
It's a really good number. It's a solid number. I'd
put it in an eight or a nine. Trump wants
five percent growth. We're not quite there yet, although we
could get there. Incidentally, once you get above three and
a half percent economic growth, then the economy grows faster
than the debt grows.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
And so the burden.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
You know, I know everyone listening to the show is
concerned about our massive debt, and one way of lowering
that debt is to grow our way out of it.
So look, I'm super bullish on this US economy. It's
been a really good twenty twenty five. I don't care
what the polls are showing that all of the indicators
show a very strong growth year. And I think we're
going to see a speed up in twenty twenty six
(02:22):
because a lot of people will come up to me
on the street and say, hey, Steve Moore, I know
you help.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Write that beautiful bill. Why did I seeing it?
Speaker 5 (02:28):
And I tell people, well, because yeah, it hasn't taken
effect yet for tens of millions of Americans on January first,
when they get their first paycheck for the month of January,
they're going to start to see less money with help
from their paycheck, which is exactly what Americans want to see.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Okay, well, let's play some of the reactions from the
news media. Here one eighty nine.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Third quarter numbers.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
We're looking for three point three.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Zoom, zoom zoom, four point three percent. Four point three percent.
That is a nice jump. And I know many may
question data gathering, but on the surface, this would be
the strongest quarter going back to the third quarter of
twenty twenty three when it was four point seven.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
This is strong.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Three point five on consumption blows away the two point
seven we were expecting. That would be the best since
the last quarter of twenty four. On the price index,
here's some not good news. Three point eight percent on
the price index. That's much higher than two point seven
we were looking for.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
All right, so we hit the first part, you know,
where we beat the GDP forecast by over a point potentially.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But what is he talking about with this price index, Steve, Well.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
I'm not exactly sure quite honestly, because we got a
really blockbuster number on inflation earlier of the week, late
last week. I guess it was where the inflation rate
fell at two point seven percent. And if you lack
at the last look at the last couple of months,
inflation is headed down to two percent or less. And
as you know, the bad target rate, which is the
(04:02):
rate we should shoot at, is about two percent inflation,
so we're headed in that direction. I think that numbers
just look overall really strong right now. To me, I
don't quite understand why. If you look at the opinion polls,
about half Americans think the economy is not doing well
and even more so. And I don't get that because
(04:23):
it is, you know, it is well.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
A lot of people just say it's doing poorly because
they hate Trump, right, you know, you get forty percent of Americans,
no matter how good things are, they going to say
things are bad. But it's going to be harder and harder,
in my opinion, as we move into twenty twenty six
and these good numbers continue to roll in, it's harder
for the left to sustain that narrative that it's not
a good economy.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
Yeah, I think they're calling it. The line i've seen
is calling it the vibe session. It's the numbers seem good,
but the sense of among a lot of people as
it's bad. Could it be specifically that the situation is
very tough for young people just entering the workforce.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I know the hiring for entry.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
Level jobs this year was very rough for people just
out of college. Is that diverging more than usual from
the fate of other workers in the economy.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Well, let me say a couple of things about that.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I'm smiling when you say that because I graduated from
college in late nineteen eighty two, so I'm an old
part you know, I'm a baby boomer.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Just to get put these things in perspective.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
When I graduated from college, the inflation rate was not
three percent, it was nine percent. The unemployment rate was
not you know, four percent, it was eight percent, and
the mortgage rate was not five percent.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
It was like fourteen percent. So for young people to say, oh, gee,
this is a very good economy, they don't. They can't
put this in any kind of perspective. Now.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I think the one thing that where I would like
to see improvement on is on the housing front, because
I have two sons that are in their early thirties
and they're doing fine with their careers, but they cannot
afford to buy a house.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
And that's a result of a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
We could get into it, but it is true that
housing is very expensive right now.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So what what is driving that? Then? Stephen the housing market.
If you talk to jd.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Vance, if you listen to what he's saying, he's saying,
it's a supply and demand issue. We've just been letting
in too many people, the foreign populations too high, illegals,
that sort of thing. Is that is that really what's
driving it?
Speaker 9 (06:20):
Is?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
There are other core drivers of the housing affordability issue.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
No, I thought.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I think it's kind of scapegoating to say it's due
to immigrants, because actually immigrants build housing.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
They don't just they don't just take up housing.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I think the real issue here is a couple of things.
One is states and localities around the country have put
in all sorts of restrictions.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I'm building new housing, and so you.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Know, if you don't have an increase in supply, then
the price of something is going to go up.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
So we've got to.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Get rid of these restrictions in so many In fact,
in many of the blue cities and suburbs, you can't
build new housing, and that's a big problem. The other
thing that is going on here is that people are
locked in to their homes. So we charge a capital
gains tax if you sell your home and you make
a if you buy sell the home for more than you.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Bought it for.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Well that's almost all Americans because the value of housing
has been going up. And so what people do to
avoid paying that very very significant tax is they don't
sell their home. So people are locked into their houses.
So what I've proposed to Donald Trump is get rid
of the capital gains tax on housing when it's sold.
And if you do that, you'll have an increase in
supply and prices will come down.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Well, I got to take issue just a little bit.
It is a supply and demand issue, and if we
have more people in the country, then I get that
a lot of the laborers that are building houses are immigrants.
But I mean they are going to have to live somewhere,
so there is a dynamic there that.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Yeah, but we've been.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
We've been taking you know, for the last thirty years,
we've taken tens of millions of immigrants and housing has
actually been a low cost. So there's but look, I
take your point, you know, Trump Biden let in, we
don't know exactly how many a.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Lot of illegal immigrants.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I'm very pro legal immigration, but I'm very much against
the illegal immigration.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And that's so I think you have a point there.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, So let's get this is
Kevin Hasset. Charlie loved Kevin Hasset because it was like
this breath of fresh air and optimism when he would
come on the show. Let's hear what he's having to say.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
One ninety three, President Trump's trade agenda is working. And
so we got about, you know, one and a half
percent of the growth on four point three because we
reduced the trade deficit. We went back and we looked
at every Blueberg forecast for the main numbers since September
and found that on average, we outperformed the forecast ninety
four percent of the time. So if ninety four percent
(08:41):
of Wall Street economists are getting the macro trends wrong,
they need to start to think about, Hey, you know,
maybe Trump's policies are actually way better than we thought,
and maybe the fake news that says all these terrible
things about Trump policies should reconsider and you know, grab
their pencil and redo their economics.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So, you know, Stephen, it begs the question. And I
have two questions for you.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Why do they get so why are these economic economists
getting so much wrong?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Is it just tds?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And then I want to talk about tariffs, you know,
because that seems to be the big hot button question.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You could take it in whatever or do you want, Stephen.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
So, yeah, it's absolutely true that Trump derangement and syndrome
is a pathological disorder in this country, and it does judge,
it does change people's perceptions of what's happening in the economy,
especially academics and professional economists who keep low balling the
numbers and they keep getting them wrong. You know, is
(09:35):
as my friend Kevin has I said, ninety four percent
of the time they're wrong. Maybe they should start thinking
that their assessments and their.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Models are completely off base.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
They got the inflation numbers wrong, they got the job
numbers wrong, they got the trade deficit numbers wrong. In fact,
I'm writing a column on this right now as we
speak about. You know, these professional economists probably should turn
their PhDs back in and say we don't know what
we're talking about, because they are consistently wrong.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I think economists are simply struggling to catch up with
a new paradigm, and they underestimate the amount of leverage
America has as the market the point that everybody wants
to play into and sell into. But you know, Trump's
flipping the economic models on their heads. President Trump walked
into a catch twenty two when taking office. Do nothing
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the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. Instead,
he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train
and buy us some time. But the effects of past
administration spending are still working through the system, and experts
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All right, Steven Moore, I gotta I gotta ask you
a softball question. What's not soft? It's a really hard question. Actually,
what is your favorite Christmas movie?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And why?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Oh Love actually is one of my favorite modern ones.
And then I'd have to go with Miracle on thirty
fourth Street.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Oh wow, you just got an email endorsing that one.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Four Street.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
You guys are so young, you've probably never even seen it.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I saw the remake.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
You gotta look at the old old one.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, I've seen it. I've seen it. Might see.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I grew up in a house that was full of
like John Wayne movies and World War two movies in
the black and white.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
We got one, you got a Caleb said their favorite
was Muppets Christmas Carol.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I need to see that one. I don't think I
ever have see.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I like the old school, like the English, like the
more English, and like you know, gloomy, the better. So
you know, let's let's deal with this tearff question one
last time here or Blake, you've got an email, right, yeah, listening?
Speaker 8 (12:17):
No, yeah, we've got we got an email from someone
I think on the Vibe session topic whire people down
beat and he says it's food Stephen go to the
grocery store and tell me the economy is great, okay, Biden, Oh,
get in, get into what's a response to that?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, no, Look I get that all the time,
even from my wife, I like says, you know, she
goes to the grocery store, she comes back really angry
about you know the price of steak used to cost you,
you know, twelve dollars and now it's twenty twenty five dollars.
So I get it. I feel your pain, folks. But
if you look overall at the economy, by the way,
bet price are way up.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Guess what.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Pork chops are way down in price. Uh, there's a
lot of things. Cell phones are down in price, Airline
airlines are down in price.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Motels and hotels are down in price. Televisions are down
in price. So overall, the inflation rate is head in
the right direction. But I understand people are angry when
they come back from the grocery store. And I can
tell you this though, that we're going to start to
see declining grocery prices as not declining prices. But this
is the other thing. Trump keep saying, I'm going to
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bring prices down. What he meant to say is I'm
going to bring the rate of inflation down. We don't
want to see deflation. That's even worse for the economy
than inflation. We want to stabilize the prices, as my
friend Steve Forbes would say, and create a sound stable dollar.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
And that's exactly what Trump is doing.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Well, we are seeing energy prices drop.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Oh yeah, gasoline amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I mean gas is under yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, there's a I think in Cincinnati it's at like
two point fifty a gallon. Uh, might be one of
the lower parts of the country, Kententuch.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
By the way, do you know what state has the
highest gas price?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
California?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, by like like five bucks a gal in there.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, yeah, it's a little lower than that, but you know,
like it's very structural California has you basically can only
refine exactly the fuel for cars over here, and they
won't build new refineries and so it's a whole issue.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yeah, but there's a serious point. But there's a serious
point here. If you look at the ten states that
have the highest cost of living, nine of them are
blue states because liberal Democrats cause shortages of everything because
of their stupid policies, high taxes, high regulations, and therefore
the price rises. So if you want lower prices, folks
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move to a red state like Florida, like Texas, like Alabama,
like Utah.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
That's where prices are low.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Well, I mean, listen, I'm sympathetic to people that want
to stay in their home in the blue states, right,
we don't want people having to leave the locusts that
keep infiltrating. Blake, you had one more question on that,
or did I missing.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Oh no, no, no, it was just that one there.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
I guess we could ask him what he thinks of
the on housing, what he thinks of like fifty year
mortgage topics or whatever.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
There's there's very stump. I'm not a big fan of that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I think, you know, you know, stretching out the mortgage
is a dumb thing to do. Look, I know Trump's
herd is in the right place on that. But the
best way to bring the hot price of housing down
is to bring the mortgage rate down. And the way
you bring the mortgage rate down is bring the inflation
rate down, which Trump is doing. Mortgage rates will continue
to fall as prices stabilize.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, hey, real quick, we have two minutes left here. Steven,
you were you knew Charlie for a long time. When
did you first meet Charlie kirk.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
So, I mean I was thinking about that the other day,
and you know, he he I met him when he
was way before you guys did. I think it was
eighteen or nineteen years old, really just getting started. And
my friend Gary Raybyne, who was very close to Charlie,
had a event with Charlie and I think he was
just starting. I think, as I said, just you know,
about eighteen or nineteen years old that I er this,
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who is this?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He knows kid?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
You know, he was very ambitious, and I don't say
that in a negative way, in a positive way.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
He knew he what he wanted to do. He knew
he wanted to be leader.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
And what he started doing is like reading out laugh
or reading Larry Kudlow, reading Steve Moore and educating himself.
And by the way, you can educate yourself way more
by reading the stuff that we write than the crap
that they teach in college on the economics, because most
of it is wrong. That's the reason ninety four percent
of the professional economists got it wrong. But he, you know,
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I just saw his evolution over the next twelve eleven
or twelve years, and every time I saw him, he
just got better and better and better and better. And boy,
I mean, it's just such a sad thing because I
really believe Charlie Kirk was on path to someday be
President of the United States.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I really believe that.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, And you guys, I'll never One of my kind
of lasting memories of this show with Charlie at the
Helm was every time you'd come on, Steve and we'd
have this this whole topic prepped, and it would be,
you know, Charlie to talk about this and this economic
new number came in and what Trump's gonna do or whatever,
and then you guys would just like talk about Chicago
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the whole time.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Well, he and I both loved the Chicago. By the way,
how about those Bears.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
They I pulled off a miracle and soldiers Field this weekend,
so we're proud.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Of you know, the same night as Stephen.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It was the Bears one in that overtime game against
the Packers and the Ducks.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Don't remind me.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Well, you know what, that really was a miracle that
the odds of the Bears winning that game with two
minutes left was.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
One and two hundred, one and two hundred. Miracles really
can't happen.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
It's a Christmas miracle. Stephen Moore, Thank you from Unleashed Prosperity.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Thank you Merry Christmas.
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All right, Next up here is Bata Ungarsaragon. She is
the host of Bata with an exclamation mark on News Nation.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Bati, you have we were talking on the phone.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You've been watching everything from that happened at Amfest from
Afar and you, you know, you were so complimentary to
me and to turning point about the event, because I
think maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You were surprised by it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
You were a little nervous, little trepidation going in when
you saw the speaker list. And then tell us what
you're thirty thousand foot view? What was the vibe for
you watching from Afar?
Speaker 9 (19:32):
First of all, thank you so much for having me Andrew,
I have to say, I'm like unexpectedly getting a little
bit emotional because it's my first time on since Charlie
was taking. Yeah, he meant so much to me. Actually,
there's a woman on my street whose car has We
live in Brooklyn, South Brooklyn, so it's you know, not
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you know, hipster Brooklyn, but her car is just festooned
with stickers about Charlie. And I was literally staking out
the car because I didn't know who it belonged to
and I just wanted to thank her. And the first
time I saw her getting out of the car, I
just ran overturned. We just had the most amazing conversation
about what he meant to this country, and so thank
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you so much for having me. I think about him
every single day. I thought that the America Fest you
put on was incredible, incredible. It was so important because
you allowed the debate to be aired, and I think
we get really attached to our positions in this country,
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and then we get really attached to the idea that,
you know, we have to convince people that were right,
and we forget that the most important thing is I
think what Charlie really stood for, which was the view
that more unites us than divides us as Americans, and
that you have to have the conversation, you have to
trust your fellow Americans, and you have to bring that
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love he had even to people that don't agree with you.
I think like that is the thing that we really lost,
was that spectacle of him going to those college campuses
and talking to people whose views I know he thought
were bad and wrong and dangerous, but you could still
see the love that he brought to them. And that's
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my New Year's resolution, is to be more like that,
even especially when I'm talking about the things that mattered
to me the most. And I just felt that you, really,
you and Erica made that happen. You aired the debate
and everybody could see it for themselves, and because this
is the greatest country on Earth and the American people
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are the most incredible people on planet Earth, it reminded
me to just trust that process of seeing the debate
and hearing the debate and listening to both sides. So
I just I watched every minute of it. I was
glued to it, and I'm so proud of you, and
just again like to see Charlie's legacy being carried on
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in such a fulsome way was really moving to me
and really powerful.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Wow. Well, thank you, thank you for saying that, Batya,
it means a lot. And I know Blake.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Blake's in studio there in Phoenix, and you know, we
we both sort of watched everything play out, and we
saw the online chatter, and you know, the elephant in
the room is sort of this foreign policy debate, the
Israel debate, but also this debate. Ben kind of kicked
things off on night one calling out some of the
people that he had grievances with, and then they ended
(22:35):
up taking the stage later, some of them at least,
and kind of throwing it back.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So it, like you said, it was this this.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Debate, this airing of the family business, as Erica called it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And but then we led up to Blake.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Feel free if you want to chime in on that
and on that point before I move on, because I
do have a question for Batya.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
No, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Let's get into it, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So you on your show had some words for I
mean directed at JD Vance and I want to give
you a chance to kind of talk about that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Let's go ahead and play two of nine.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
For those already anointing the vice president is the GOP
nominee for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
You might want to slow your role.
Speaker 11 (23:16):
Leadership is about having principles and standing up for them,
no matter the blowback. Not being afraid of offending actual
nazis all.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Right, So that seems to be the cliff. I see
you smiling there, So I am obviously team JD.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I think he's an amazing leader.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I thought his speech at Amfest was morally clear. He
condemned anti semitism, he condemned racism, di anti white racism,
anti Asian racism, and it felt like to me being there,
it was kind of like Dad's in the room. Settle down, kids,
here's the north star, here's where we're going. By the way,
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we certainly are not trying to anoint JD vance anything.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It was sort of this if you're in turning point circles.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Charlie was talking about that we have JD's back one
thousand percent, and he hopes he runs, and if he runs,
we've got his back, you know. So it was kind
of this thing that's been said out loud forty eight times.
I think Erica was just kind of like, let's just
say it out loud, you know, let's just do it here.
But from your perspective, why did you say what you said?
And you know, what is it going to take to
kind of get you to come around on the JD
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Jdvans conversation.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
I want to believe I'm so honored to be able
to have this conversation with you, Like you have no
idea what it means to me to be here with
you in the room on so many issues. I think
JD is spot on. You know, my top issues I
would say is I think what President Trump represented, which
was you know, being pro worker, pro labor. The dignity
(24:47):
of working class Americans is like my number one issue,
which entails you know, getting to immigration zero right away
for as long as it takes, you know, in order
to make sure that Americans have access to the Amya
dream before we start giving it to everybody else. On
foreign policy, I'm whare that I guess the fifty percent
(25:07):
of the turning points draw Phole was like I see
Israel as a great ally among great allies. Our interests
are frequently aligned, but not always. Sometimes these Raelies I
think overstep and I've been, you know, glad to see
President Trump have a really strong idea of when our
interests are aligned and when they diverge, and choosing American
interests when he needs to, you know, so on all
(25:29):
of that stuff, I feel like, you know, very much
on the same page. Certainly don't want to go back
to the like Rhino pre Trump version of the GOP.
I think that would be a huge mistake and a
huge betrayal of the American working class, which is like
where my allegiances lie as a Jewish American, But I
will say that I think there have been podcasters out
(25:53):
there who have been saying things that make me, as
an American and as a Jew, feel like I'm questioning
whether this movement wants me, for example, platforming people who
think that Hitler was not the villain of World War two,
that's just going to make every Jewish person like somebody
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a podcaster agreeing with that point of view. The way
that Tucker Carlson seemed to is going to make every
Jewish person feel like, wait a minute, is that actually
a question? And so when JD says, well, I'm you know,
close to Tucker Carlson, I disagree with him about a
lot of things, but I'm not going to be clear
about what those things are. That leaves people thinking, well,
(26:35):
you know, is that one of the things or not.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, and Blake, I want to get you in on
this conversation because you obviously have a really long conversation
relationship with with Tucker, but I want to show that
you mentioned the straw pole. Go ahead and throw one
seventy eight up on the screen. It shows fifty three
point four percent consider Israel an ally thirty three point
three percent our top ally. Only thirteen point three percent
(26:58):
say that Israel is not an ally of the United States.
So despite all of you know, the handwringing, all the
loud voices online, we still are at you know, eighty
seven percent of Amfest attendees consider, you know, Israel.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Either our top ally or an ally.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And you know, maybe what you're seeing in the shift
in the dialogue is more to you know, one ally
of many as opposed to our top alley. Maybe that's
the shift you've seen in the Trump era, Blake, I want,
I want to give you a chance to respond, just
because of your relationship.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, so a few things.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
I totally understand where you're coming through, specifically on some
of that. Yeah, the Hitler stuff that's popped up more,
I've I will say, I've been hearing stuff like that
honestly my entire adult life.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It bubbles up.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
I think there is an element where some people find
it interesting in a transgressive sense or something. And I'd
want to say, I hope it has no modern political manifestations,
but it does. It does pop up with a degree
that if I were a Jewish American, I think I
would find it disturbing as more disturbing as you do.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I don't get why.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Some people think, in this particular political moment, relitigating an
eighty year old war's morality is of great importance.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
But some people like that. I will say, I'm some
of that.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Can I just jump in for a second, sure, Like
when you first of all, I think it's not just
Jewish Americans. I think every American should feel worried about
this question of whether or was truly Yeah, but I
mean beyond that when you say you're like, I don't
know why somebody would bring that up, but you know,
like that, I know why they would bring it up
(28:39):
because they you know what.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
I'm saying, Like, that's fair, that's fair, There's there is
it's unfortunate. I do think that pattern is real for
certainly at least some of the people doing it. A
big picture, I recognize Vice President Vance and everyone in
this coalition. We have a tough challenge. We asked we
were doing one of our exclusives interviews. I think it
was when we had Megan I think it was actually
(29:03):
when we had Michael Noles on and we just asked
the crowd, raise your hands. Do you agree more with
Ben Shapiro or more with Tucker, and it.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Was about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Ultimately, what we've been saying is we have to be
able to build a coalition that is for it. And
what I liked with Vice President Vance was he's saying,
we are going to define this movement by positive things,
by positive affirmations, and those are going to be good
affirmations that make us a superior alternative to the left.
And I think if Vice President Vance is setting a
(29:35):
positive example, and if he's taking on a leadership role
that shows that positive example, he can shape the movement
in a good direction that is good on policy, good
on unifying rhetoric. And instead of having to go around
playing place and disavowing people, what you are is what
you are avowing is going to make people into something better.
(29:58):
And I think that's an example Charlie himself tried to
set while he was with us.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
I was truly humbled by how right Andrew and Charlie
and you, Blake were about how you set up the
whole America fest. I just came away feeling like it
could not have gone better, and that was because of
the disparity between me and the views that I heard there.
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this is gonna be the hardest question that Batya has
to navigate as a Jewish woman.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
What is your favorite Christmas movie or the like? Is
there like a Hanuka movie?
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I don't even know, Okay, I just every year I
watch all of the Christmas rom coms, And the thing
about them is is that they're all exactly the same,
and they're all equally delightful and delicious. So I couldn't
even tell you which is the best one because I
can just watch them again.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Are there are there traditions? I know?
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I know Jewish Americans often eat Chinese is on Christmas?
Are there traditional movies they watch that are like, emphatically
not Christmas movies or something?
Speaker 9 (32:06):
Well, the Big Labowski is often on the list, for sure,
the dude buds. You know, I'm an Orthodox Jews, so
the traditions of like secular liberal Jews, I'm not as
familiar with them, you know, to us Christmas is. It's
funny because one of the things is, you know, like
there's certain texts that you're supposed to study and that
(32:26):
you're not supposed to study on Christmas? Dude to like
so you know, there's that conversation as well.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
But this is way more complicated than I realized. This
was a hard question.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
The JD. Van's questions easy, all right.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I accidentally opened up a whole can of worms asking
a Jewish woman what her favorite Christmas movie. It's not
a fair question. It's not a fair question. I apologize.
Bati did wonderful with it, though. Christmas rom coms, what
are those?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Even? It's like love actually is one? Love? Actually?
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Love?
Speaker 9 (32:57):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Well, what's the one with?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
What's the one with John Cusack and the British Goal
where they they they they meet and then they.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Try and find each other again. I'm forgetting it. That's
that's another Christmas movie kind of There's a.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Really good movie called The Family Stone.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
See you and I have wildly different movie taste. Spot there.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
This is this is going, this is spinning out of control.
We need to bring it back, ran it back, all right.
So my here's my pointed question for actually why UK.
So you've got guys like Steve Bannon, he calls himself
a Zionist. You've got Matt Gates, who just did the
interview with Tucker Carlson. He calls himself pro Israel. You've
got a lot. Meghan Kelly has been traditionally extremely pro Israel.
(33:41):
Their biggest beef is that they feel and and by
the way, Charlie had this conversation with Meghan, you know,
just before he was assassinated. Actually it was just this
feeling from like the gentile friends of the Jewish people
and Israel that there is a moral blackmail campaign where
the pressure just feels like, you know, if you're only
with us eighty percent of the way, we're not gonna
(34:03):
be happy and we're gonna we're gonna call you names.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
It.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I do find it counterproductive. I'm not saying everybody's guilty
of it. I'm literally about to send a video to
Dennis Prager wishing him a merry Christmas because he loves Christmas.
And you know, I love you like completely, even when
I disagree with you. But that's so, what is that
dynamic and what do you do about that? Do you
feel like the response after October seventh is driving away
friends of Israel.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
I'm going to give an analogy. Okay, I am a
person who feels that we should not be funding the
Ukraine war. Okay, I've thought that from the beginning. Two
weeks in. Putin was like, if you all just recognize
the status quo and ratify it, that CRIMEA belongs to Russia,
which he had already taken eight years earlier. You know
(34:48):
that the dun Boss is independent, which there was a
civil war there, and that Ukraine is not part of NATO.
I'll withdraw immediately.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I thought we.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Should have pushed for that. You know, we had gas
prices were insane the time. I just didn't understand why,
you know, a few hundred kilometers in Eastern Europe was
the responsibility of the American working class to bear. Now,
if you hold that view, which I do, you will
get letters snail mail delivered to your home with death
(35:19):
threats from people who are pro Ukraine. The entire Ukraine
lobby will come after you. They will impugne your character,
They will call you a Putin puppet. Doesn't matter how
many times you say Putin is a thug and a murderer,
which is what I believe. The people who feel very
strongly about this issue will do everything they can to
get you to shut up. And you know what, Andrew.
(35:40):
That is their job. I don't hold that against them.
And the idea that that would make me embrace Russia
as the good guys because the Ukrainians are behaving insane
at the extremes. That's insane because I don't answer to
the inverse of what the most extreme people in a
lobby are doing. I answer to my God. I have
(36:03):
to face myself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
So you know.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
And the fact that there are these loons at the
extreme of the Ukraine lobby that doesn't even influence how
I think about Zelensky, or the Ukrainian people, or the
vast majority of the people who think we should be
funding the war in Ukraine. I have a policy difference
that makes me very unpopular with a very big group
of people, and the extremes of them are extreme in
(36:29):
their opposition to me and think I should be dead
for having my view. The idea that I would allow
that to influence my view would make me an unserious person.
So do I think there are people in the Israel
lobby who embarrass me because they are extreme? Sure? Do
I think Israel itself has in some ways behaved badly,
especially vis a vis our president the greatest friend the
(36:51):
Jewish people I've ever had. Yes, does that if somebody
allows that to determine whether they interview Hollocos survivors. It's
anybody telling you that that is an excuse to become antisemitic,
I think is not a morally serious person. That is
a person who is not answering to their God. That
is a person who is answering to the inverse of
(37:12):
the algorithm. And I look down on that.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, And I know that you think some of
the reaction has been counterproductive. So I just wanted to
give you an opportunity to say that. And listen, I
am going to convince you on jade Vance. It's just
gonna happen. I'm gonna take a bow, and the Internet's
gonna know because Jadevan is a good man.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And I know you.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Want to believe, and I know you're you're waiting for
you You're you're waiting for You're waiting for the signal
to proceed.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
We're gonna We're gonna get you there. Batya.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right, welcome back to The Charlie Kirk Show. Hour
two is underway and President Trump got an early Christmas
present with some amazing economic news that came out this morning.
So here to unpack that with us is former Trump
economic advisor.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And now he's with unleashed prosperity.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And that's of course Steven Moore, a longtime guest on
this show and good friend of Charlie's.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Stephen, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
On a scale of one to ten, how good was
this news that broke this morning?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Four point three growth Q three for GDP.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
It's a really good number. It's a solid number. I'd
put it in an eight or a nine. Trump wants
five percent growth. We're not quite there yet, although we
could get there. Incidentally, once you get above three and
a half percent economic growth, then the economy grows faster
than the debt grows.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
And so the burden.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
You know, I know everyone listening to the show is
concerned about our massive debt, and one way of lowering
that debt is to grow our way out of it.
So look, I'm super bullish on this US economy. It's
been a really good twenty twenty five. I don't care
what the polls are showing that all of the indicators
show a very strong growth year. And I think we're
going to see a speed up in twenty twenty six
(02:22):
because a lot of people will come up to me
on the street and say, hey, Steve Moore, I know
you help.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Write that beautiful bill. Why did I seeing it?
Speaker 5 (02:28):
And I tell people, well, because yeah, it hasn't taken
effect yet for tens of millions of Americans on January first,
when they get their first paycheck for the month of January,
they're going to start to see less money with help
from their paycheck, which is exactly what Americans want to see.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Okay, well, let's play some of the reactions from the
news media. Here one eighty nine.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Third quarter numbers.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
We're looking for three point three.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
Zoom, zoom zoom, four point three percent. Four point three percent.
That is a nice jump. And I know many may
question data gathering, but on the surface, this would be
the strongest quarter going back to the third quarter of
twenty twenty three when it was four point seven.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
This is strong.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Three point five on consumption blows away the two point
seven we were expecting. That would be the best since
the last quarter of twenty four. On the price index,
here's some not good news. Three point eight percent on
the price index. That's much higher than two point seven
we were looking for.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
All right, so we hit the first part, you know,
where we beat the GDP forecast by over a point potentially.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But what is he talking about with this price index, Steve, Well.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
I'm not exactly sure quite honestly, because we got a
really blockbuster number on inflation earlier of the week, late
last week. I guess it was where the inflation rate
fell at two point seven percent. And if you lack
at the last look at the last couple of months,
inflation is headed down to two percent or less. And
as you know, the bad target rate, which is the
(04:02):
rate we should shoot at, is about two percent inflation,
so we're headed in that direction. I think that numbers
just look overall really strong right now. To me, I
don't quite understand why. If you look at the opinion polls,
about half Americans think the economy is not doing well
and even more so. And I don't get that because
(04:23):
it is, you know, it is well.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
A lot of people just say it's doing poorly because
they hate Trump, right, you know, you get forty percent of Americans,
no matter how good things are, they going to say
things are bad. But it's going to be harder and harder,
in my opinion, as we move into twenty twenty six
and these good numbers continue to roll in, it's harder
for the left to sustain that narrative that it's not
a good economy.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
Yeah, I think they're calling it. The line i've seen
is calling it the vibe session. It's the numbers seem good,
but the sense of among a lot of people as
it's bad. Could it be specifically that the situation is
very tough for young people just entering the workforce.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I know the hiring for entry.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
Level jobs this year was very rough for people just
out of college. Is that diverging more than usual from
the fate of other workers in the economy.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Well, let me say a couple of things about that.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I'm smiling when you say that because I graduated from
college in late nineteen eighty two, so I'm an old
part you know, I'm a baby boomer.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Just to get put these things in perspective.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
When I graduated from college, the inflation rate was not
three percent, it was nine percent. The unemployment rate was
not you know, four percent, it was eight percent, and
the mortgage rate was not five percent.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
It was like fourteen percent. So for young people to say, oh, gee,
this is a very good economy, they don't. They can't
put this in any kind of perspective. Now.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I think the one thing that where I would like
to see improvement on is on the housing front, because
I have two sons that are in their early thirties
and they're doing fine with their careers, but they cannot
afford to buy a house.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
And that's a result of a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
We could get into it, but it is true that
housing is very expensive right now.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So what what is driving that? Then? Stephen the housing market.
If you talk to jd.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Vance, if you listen to what he's saying, he's saying,
it's a supply and demand issue. We've just been letting
in too many people, the foreign populations too high, illegals,
that sort of thing. Is that is that really what's
driving it?
Speaker 9 (06:20):
Is?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
There are other core drivers of the housing affordability issue.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
No, I thought.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I think it's kind of scapegoating to say it's due
to immigrants, because actually immigrants build housing.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
They don't just they don't just take up housing.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I think the real issue here is a couple of things.
One is states and localities around the country have put
in all sorts of restrictions.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I'm building new housing, and so you.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Know, if you don't have an increase in supply, then
the price of something is going to go up.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
So we've got to.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Get rid of these restrictions in so many In fact,
in many of the blue cities and suburbs, you can't
build new housing, and that's a big problem. The other
thing that is going on here is that people are
locked in to their homes. So we charge a capital
gains tax if you sell your home and you make
a if you buy sell the home for more than you.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Bought it for.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Well that's almost all Americans because the value of housing
has been going up. And so what people do to
avoid paying that very very significant tax is they don't
sell their home. So people are locked into their houses.
So what I've proposed to Donald Trump is get rid
of the capital gains tax on housing when it's sold.
And if you do that, you'll have an increase in
supply and prices will come down.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Well, I got to take issue just a little bit.
It is a supply and demand issue, and if we
have more people in the country, then I get that
a lot of the laborers that are building houses are immigrants.
But I mean they are going to have to live somewhere,
so there is a dynamic there that.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Yeah, but we've been.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
We've been taking you know, for the last thirty years,
we've taken tens of millions of immigrants and housing has
actually been a low cost. So there's but look, I
take your point, you know, Trump Biden let in, we
don't know exactly how many a.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Lot of illegal immigrants.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I'm very pro legal immigration, but I'm very much against
the illegal immigration.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And that's so I think you have a point there.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, So let's get this is
Kevin Hasset. Charlie loved Kevin Hasset because it was like
this breath of fresh air and optimism when he would
come on the show. Let's hear what he's having to say.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
One ninety three, President Trump's trade agenda is working. And
so we got about, you know, one and a half
percent of the growth on four point three because we
reduced the trade deficit. We went back and we looked
at every Blueberg forecast for the main numbers since September
and found that on average, we outperformed the forecast ninety
four percent of the time. So if ninety four percent
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of Wall Street economists are getting the macro trends wrong,
they need to start to think about, Hey, you know,
maybe Trump's policies are actually way better than we thought,
and maybe the fake news that says all these terrible
things about Trump policies should reconsider and you know, grab
their pencil and redo their economics.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So, you know, Stephen, it begs the question. And I
have two questions for you.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Why do they get so why are these economic economists
getting so much wrong?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Is it just tds?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And then I want to talk about tariffs, you know,
because that seems to be the big hot button question.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You could take it in whatever or do you want, Stephen.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
So, yeah, it's absolutely true that Trump derangement and syndrome
is a pathological disorder in this country, and it does judge,
it does change people's perceptions of what's happening in the economy,
especially academics and professional economists who keep low balling the
numbers and they keep getting them wrong. You know, is
(09:35):
as my friend Kevin has I said, ninety four percent
of the time they're wrong. Maybe they should start thinking
that their assessments and their.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Models are completely off base.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
They got the inflation numbers wrong, they got the job
numbers wrong, they got the trade deficit numbers wrong. In fact,
I'm writing a column on this right now as we
speak about. You know, these professional economists probably should turn
their PhDs back in and say we don't know what
we're talking about, because they are consistently wrong.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I think economists are simply struggling to catch up with
a new paradigm, and they underestimate the amount of leverage
America has as the market the point that everybody wants
to play into and sell into. But you know, Trump's
flipping the economic models on their heads. President Trump walked
into a catch twenty two when taking office. Do nothing
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All right, Steven Moore, I gotta I gotta ask you
a softball question. What's not soft? It's a really hard question. Actually,
what is your favorite Christmas movie?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And why?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Oh Love actually is one of my favorite modern ones.
And then I'd have to go with Miracle on thirty
fourth Street.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Oh wow, you just got an email endorsing that one.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Four Street.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
You guys are so young, you've probably never even seen it.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I saw the remake.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
You gotta look at the old old one.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, I've seen it. I've seen it. Might see.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I grew up in a house that was full of
like John Wayne movies and World War two movies in
the black and white.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
We got one, you got a Caleb said their favorite
was Muppets Christmas Carol.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I need to see that one. I don't think I
ever have see.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I like the old school, like the English, like the
more English, and like you know, gloomy, the better. So
you know, let's let's deal with this tearff question one
last time here or Blake, you've got an email, right, yeah, listening?
Speaker 8 (12:17):
No, yeah, we've got we got an email from someone
I think on the Vibe session topic whire people down
beat and he says it's food Stephen go to the
grocery store and tell me the economy is great, okay, Biden, Oh,
get in, get into what's a response to that?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, no, Look I get that all the time,
even from my wife, I like says, you know, she
goes to the grocery store, she comes back really angry
about you know the price of steak used to cost you,
you know, twelve dollars and now it's twenty twenty five dollars.
So I get it. I feel your pain, folks. But
if you look overall at the economy, by the way,
bet price are way up.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Guess what.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Pork chops are way down in price. Uh, there's a
lot of things. Cell phones are down in price, Airline
airlines are down in price.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Motels and hotels are down in price. Televisions are down
in price. So overall, the inflation rate is head in
the right direction. But I understand people are angry when
they come back from the grocery store. And I can
tell you this though, that we're going to start to
see declining grocery prices as not declining prices. But this
is the other thing. Trump keep saying, I'm going to
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bring prices down. What he meant to say is I'm
going to bring the rate of inflation down. We don't
want to see deflation. That's even worse for the economy
than inflation. We want to stabilize the prices, as my
friend Steve Forbes would say, and create a sound stable dollar.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
And that's exactly what Trump is doing.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Well, we are seeing energy prices drop.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Oh yeah, gasoline amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I mean gas is under yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, there's a I think in Cincinnati it's at like
two point fifty a gallon. Uh, might be one of
the lower parts of the country, Kententuch.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
By the way, do you know what state has the
highest gas price?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
California?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, by like like five bucks a gal in there.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, yeah, it's a little lower than that, but you know,
like it's very structural California has you basically can only
refine exactly the fuel for cars over here, and they
won't build new refineries and so it's a whole issue.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yeah, but there's a serious point. But there's a serious
point here. If you look at the ten states that
have the highest cost of living, nine of them are
blue states because liberal Democrats cause shortages of everything because
of their stupid policies, high taxes, high regulations, and therefore
the price rises. So if you want lower prices, folks
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move to a red state like Florida, like Texas, like Alabama,
like Utah.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
That's where prices are low.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Well, I mean, listen, I'm sympathetic to people that want
to stay in their home in the blue states, right,
we don't want people having to leave the locusts that
keep infiltrating. Blake, you had one more question on that,
or did I missing.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Oh no, no, no, it was just that one there.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
I guess we could ask him what he thinks of
the on housing, what he thinks of like fifty year
mortgage topics or whatever.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
There's there's very stump. I'm not a big fan of that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I think, you know, you know, stretching out the mortgage
is a dumb thing to do. Look, I know Trump's
herd is in the right place on that. But the
best way to bring the hot price of housing down
is to bring the mortgage rate down. And the way
you bring the mortgage rate down is bring the inflation
rate down, which Trump is doing. Mortgage rates will continue
to fall as prices stabilize.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, hey, real quick, we have two minutes left here. Steven,
you were you knew Charlie for a long time. When
did you first meet Charlie kirk.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
So, I mean I was thinking about that the other day,
and you know, he he I met him when he
was way before you guys did. I think it was
eighteen or nineteen years old, really just getting started. And
my friend Gary Raybyne, who was very close to Charlie,
had a event with Charlie and I think he was
just starting. I think, as I said, just you know,
about eighteen or nineteen years old that I er this,
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who is this?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He knows kid?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
You know, he was very ambitious, and I don't say
that in a negative way, in a positive way.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
He knew he what he wanted to do. He knew
he wanted to be leader.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
And what he started doing is like reading out laugh
or reading Larry Kudlow, reading Steve Moore and educating himself.
And by the way, you can educate yourself way more
by reading the stuff that we write than the crap
that they teach in college on the economics, because most
of it is wrong. That's the reason ninety four percent
of the professional economists got it wrong. But he, you know,
(16:28):
I just saw his evolution over the next twelve eleven
or twelve years, and every time I saw him, he
just got better and better and better and better. And boy,
I mean, it's just such a sad thing because I
really believe Charlie Kirk was on path to someday be
President of the United States.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I really believe that.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, And you guys, I'll never One of my kind
of lasting memories of this show with Charlie at the
Helm was every time you'd come on, Steve and we'd
have this this whole topic prepped, and it would be,
you know, Charlie to talk about this and this economic
new number came in and what Trump's gonna do or whatever,
and then you guys would just like talk about Chicago
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the whole time.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Well, he and I both loved the Chicago. By the way,
how about those Bears.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
They I pulled off a miracle and soldiers Field this weekend,
so we're proud.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Of you know, the same night as Stephen.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It was the Bears one in that overtime game against
the Packers and the Ducks.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Don't remind me.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Well, you know what, that really was a miracle that
the odds of the Bears winning that game with two
minutes left was.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
One and two hundred, one and two hundred. Miracles really
can't happen.
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Thank you Merry Christmas.
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All right, Next up here is Bata Ungarsaragon. She is
the host of Bata with an exclamation mark on News Nation.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Bati, you have we were talking on the phone.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You've been watching everything from that happened at Amfest from
Afar and you, you know, you were so complimentary to
me and to turning point about the event, because I
think maybe.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You were surprised by it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
You were a little nervous, little trepidation going in when
you saw the speaker list. And then tell us what
you're thirty thousand foot view? What was the vibe for
you watching from Afar?
Speaker 9 (19:32):
First of all, thank you so much for having me Andrew,
I have to say, I'm like unexpectedly getting a little
bit emotional because it's my first time on since Charlie
was taking. Yeah, he meant so much to me. Actually,
there's a woman on my street whose car has We
live in Brooklyn, South Brooklyn, so it's you know, not
(19:52):
you know, hipster Brooklyn, but her car is just festooned
with stickers about Charlie. And I was literally staking out
the car because I didn't know who it belonged to
and I just wanted to thank her. And the first
time I saw her getting out of the car, I
just ran overturned. We just had the most amazing conversation
about what he meant to this country, and so thank
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you so much for having me. I think about him
every single day. I thought that the America Fest you
put on was incredible, incredible. It was so important because
you allowed the debate to be aired, and I think
we get really attached to our positions in this country,
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and then we get really attached to the idea that,
you know, we have to convince people that were right,
and we forget that the most important thing is I
think what Charlie really stood for, which was the view
that more unites us than divides us as Americans, and
that you have to have the conversation, you have to
trust your fellow Americans, and you have to bring that
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love he had even to people that don't agree with you.
I think like that is the thing that we really lost,
was that spectacle of him going to those college campuses
and talking to people whose views I know he thought
were bad and wrong and dangerous, but you could still
see the love that he brought to them. And that's
(21:21):
my New Year's resolution, is to be more like that,
even especially when I'm talking about the things that mattered
to me the most. And I just felt that you, really,
you and Erica made that happen. You aired the debate
and everybody could see it for themselves, and because this
is the greatest country on Earth and the American people
(21:43):
are the most incredible people on planet Earth, it reminded
me to just trust that process of seeing the debate
and hearing the debate and listening to both sides. So
I just I watched every minute of it. I was
glued to it, and I'm so proud of you, and
just again like to see Charlie's legacy being carried on
(22:05):
in such a fulsome way was really moving to me
and really powerful.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Wow. Well, thank you, thank you for saying that, Batya,
it means a lot. And I know Blake.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Blake's in studio there in Phoenix, and you know, we
we both sort of watched everything play out, and we
saw the online chatter, and you know, the elephant in
the room is sort of this foreign policy debate, the
Israel debate, but also this debate. Ben kind of kicked
things off on night one calling out some of the
people that he had grievances with, and then they ended
(22:35):
up taking the stage later, some of them at least,
and kind of throwing it back.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So it, like you said, it was this this.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Debate, this airing of the family business, as Erica called it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And but then we led up to Blake.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Feel free if you want to chime in on that
and on that point before I move on, because I
do have a question for Batya.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
No, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Let's get into it, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So you on your show had some words for I
mean directed at JD Vance and I want to give
you a chance to kind of talk about that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Let's go ahead and play two of nine.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
For those already anointing the vice president is the GOP
nominee for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
You might want to slow your role.
Speaker 11 (23:16):
Leadership is about having principles and standing up for them,
no matter the blowback. Not being afraid of offending actual
nazis all.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Right, So that seems to be the cliff. I see
you smiling there, So I am obviously team JD.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I think he's an amazing leader.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I thought his speech at Amfest was morally clear. He
condemned anti semitism, he condemned racism, di anti white racism,
anti Asian racism, and it felt like to me being there,
it was kind of like Dad's in the room. Settle down, kids,
here's the north star, here's where we're going. By the way,
(23:54):
we certainly are not trying to anoint JD vance anything.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It was sort of this if you're in turning point circles.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Charlie was talking about that we have JD's back one
thousand percent, and he hopes he runs, and if he runs,
we've got his back, you know. So it was kind
of this thing that's been said out loud forty eight times.
I think Erica was just kind of like, let's just
say it out loud, you know, let's just do it here.
But from your perspective, why did you say what you said?
And you know, what is it going to take to
kind of get you to come around on the JD
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Jdvans conversation.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
I want to believe I'm so honored to be able
to have this conversation with you, Like you have no
idea what it means to me to be here with
you in the room on so many issues. I think
JD is spot on. You know, my top issues I
would say is I think what President Trump represented, which
was you know, being pro worker, pro labor. The dignity
(24:47):
of working class Americans is like my number one issue,
which entails you know, getting to immigration zero right away
for as long as it takes, you know, in order
to make sure that Americans have access to the Amya
dream before we start giving it to everybody else. On
foreign policy, I'm whare that I guess the fifty percent
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of the turning points draw Phole was like I see
Israel as a great ally among great allies. Our interests
are frequently aligned, but not always. Sometimes these Raelies I
think overstep and I've been, you know, glad to see
President Trump have a really strong idea of when our
interests are aligned and when they diverge, and choosing American
interests when he needs to, you know, so on all
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of that stuff, I feel like, you know, very much
on the same page. Certainly don't want to go back
to the like Rhino pre Trump version of the GOP.
I think that would be a huge mistake and a
huge betrayal of the American working class, which is like
where my allegiances lie as a Jewish American, But I
will say that I think there have been podcasters out
(25:53):
there who have been saying things that make me, as
an American and as a Jew, feel like I'm questioning
whether this movement wants me, for example, platforming people who
think that Hitler was not the villain of World War two,
that's just going to make every Jewish person like somebody
(26:14):
a podcaster agreeing with that point of view. The way
that Tucker Carlson seemed to is going to make every
Jewish person feel like, wait a minute, is that actually
a question? And so when JD says, well, I'm you know,
close to Tucker Carlson, I disagree with him about a
lot of things, but I'm not going to be clear
about what those things are. That leaves people thinking, well,
(26:35):
you know, is that one of the things or not.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, and Blake, I want to get you in on
this conversation because you obviously have a really long conversation
relationship with with Tucker, but I want to show that
you mentioned the straw pole. Go ahead and throw one
seventy eight up on the screen. It shows fifty three
point four percent consider Israel an ally thirty three point
three percent our top ally. Only thirteen point three percent
(26:58):
say that Israel is not an ally of the United States.
So despite all of you know, the handwringing, all the
loud voices online, we still are at you know, eighty
seven percent of Amfest attendees consider, you know, Israel.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Either our top ally or an ally.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And you know, maybe what you're seeing in the shift
in the dialogue is more to you know, one ally
of many as opposed to our top alley. Maybe that's
the shift you've seen in the Trump era, Blake, I want,
I want to give you a chance to respond, just
because of your relationship.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, so a few things.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
I totally understand where you're coming through, specifically on some
of that. Yeah, the Hitler stuff that's popped up more,
I've I will say, I've been hearing stuff like that
honestly my entire adult life.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
It bubbles up.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
I think there is an element where some people find
it interesting in a transgressive sense or something. And I'd
want to say, I hope it has no modern political manifestations,
but it does. It does pop up with a degree
that if I were a Jewish American, I think I
would find it disturbing as more disturbing as you do.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I don't get why.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Some people think, in this particular political moment, relitigating an
eighty year old war's morality is of great importance.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
But some people like that. I will say, I'm some
of that.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Can I just jump in for a second, sure, Like
when you first of all, I think it's not just
Jewish Americans. I think every American should feel worried about
this question of whether or was truly Yeah, but I
mean beyond that when you say you're like, I don't
know why somebody would bring that up, but you know,
like that, I know why they would bring it up
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because they you know what.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
I'm saying, Like, that's fair, that's fair, There's there is
it's unfortunate. I do think that pattern is real for
certainly at least some of the people doing it. A
big picture, I recognize Vice President Vance and everyone in
this coalition. We have a tough challenge. We asked we
were doing one of our exclusives interviews. I think it
was when we had Megan I think it was actually
(29:03):
when we had Michael Noles on and we just asked
the crowd, raise your hands. Do you agree more with
Ben Shapiro or more with Tucker, and it.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Was about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Ultimately, what we've been saying is we have to be
able to build a coalition that is for it. And
what I liked with Vice President Vance was he's saying,
we are going to define this movement by positive things,
by positive affirmations, and those are going to be good
affirmations that make us a superior alternative to the left.
And I think if Vice President Vance is setting a
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positive example, and if he's taking on a leadership role
that shows that positive example, he can shape the movement
in a good direction that is good on policy, good
on unifying rhetoric. And instead of having to go around
playing place and disavowing people, what you are is what
you are avowing is going to make people into something better.
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And I think that's an example Charlie himself tried to
set while he was with us.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
I was truly humbled by how right Andrew and Charlie
and you, Blake were about how you set up the
whole America fest. I just came away feeling like it
could not have gone better, and that was because of
the disparity between me and the views that I heard there.
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to navigate as a Jewish woman.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
What is your favorite Christmas movie or the like? Is
there like a Hanuka movie?
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I don't even know, Okay, I just every year I
watch all of the Christmas rom coms, And the thing
about them is is that they're all exactly the same,
and they're all equally delightful and delicious. So I couldn't
even tell you which is the best one because I
can just watch them again.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Are there are there traditions? I know?
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I know Jewish Americans often eat Chinese is on Christmas?
Are there traditional movies they watch that are like, emphatically
not Christmas movies or something?
Speaker 9 (32:06):
Well, the Big Labowski is often on the list, for sure,
the dude buds. You know, I'm an Orthodox Jews, so
the traditions of like secular liberal Jews, I'm not as
familiar with them, you know, to us Christmas is. It's
funny because one of the things is, you know, like
there's certain texts that you're supposed to study and that
(32:26):
you're not supposed to study on Christmas? Dude to like
so you know, there's that conversation as well.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
But this is way more complicated than I realized. This
was a hard question.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
The JD. Van's questions easy, all right.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I accidentally opened up a whole can of worms asking
a Jewish woman what her favorite Christmas movie. It's not
a fair question. It's not a fair question. I apologize.
Bati did wonderful with it, though. Christmas rom coms, what
are those?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Even? It's like love actually is one? Love? Actually?
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Love?
Speaker 9 (32:57):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Well, what's the one with?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
What's the one with John Cusack and the British Goal
where they they they they meet and then they.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Try and find each other again. I'm forgetting it. That's
that's another Christmas movie kind of There's a.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Really good movie called The Family Stone.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
See you and I have wildly different movie taste. Spot there.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
This is this is going, this is spinning out of control.
We need to bring it back, ran it back, all right.
So my here's my pointed question for actually why UK.
So you've got guys like Steve Bannon, he calls himself
a Zionist. You've got Matt Gates, who just did the
interview with Tucker Carlson. He calls himself pro Israel. You've
got a lot. Meghan Kelly has been traditionally extremely pro Israel.
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Their biggest beef is that they feel and and by
the way, Charlie had this conversation with Meghan, you know,
just before he was assassinated. Actually it was just this
feeling from like the gentile friends of the Jewish people
and Israel that there is a moral blackmail campaign where
the pressure just feels like, you know, if you're only
with us eighty percent of the way, we're not gonna
(34:03):
be happy and we're gonna we're gonna call you names.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
It.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I do find it counterproductive. I'm not saying everybody's guilty
of it. I'm literally about to send a video to
Dennis Prager wishing him a merry Christmas because he loves Christmas.
And you know, I love you like completely, even when
I disagree with you. But that's so, what is that
dynamic and what do you do about that? Do you
feel like the response after October seventh is driving away
friends of Israel.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
I'm going to give an analogy. Okay, I am a
person who feels that we should not be funding the
Ukraine war. Okay, I've thought that from the beginning. Two
weeks in. Putin was like, if you all just recognize
the status quo and ratify it, that CRIMEA belongs to Russia,
which he had already taken eight years earlier. You know
(34:48):
that the dun Boss is independent, which there was a
civil war there, and that Ukraine is not part of NATO.
I'll withdraw immediately.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I thought we.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Should have pushed for that. You know, we had gas
prices were insane the time. I just didn't understand why,
you know, a few hundred kilometers in Eastern Europe was
the responsibility of the American working class to bear. Now,
if you hold that view, which I do, you will
get letters snail mail delivered to your home with death
(35:19):
threats from people who are pro Ukraine. The entire Ukraine
lobby will come after you. They will impugne your character,
They will call you a Putin puppet. Doesn't matter how
many times you say Putin is a thug and a murderer,
which is what I believe. The people who feel very
strongly about this issue will do everything they can to
get you to shut up. And you know what, Andrew.
(35:40):
That is their job. I don't hold that against them.
And the idea that that would make me embrace Russia
as the good guys because the Ukrainians are behaving insane
at the extremes. That's insane because I don't answer to
the inverse of what the most extreme people in a
lobby are doing. I answer to my God. I have
(36:03):
to face myself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
So you know.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
And the fact that there are these loons at the
extreme of the Ukraine lobby that doesn't even influence how
I think about Zelensky, or the Ukrainian people, or the
vast majority of the people who think we should be
funding the war in Ukraine. I have a policy difference
that makes me very unpopular with a very big group
of people, and the extremes of them are extreme in
(36:29):
their opposition to me and think I should be dead
for having my view. The idea that I would allow
that to influence my view would make me an unserious person.
So do I think there are people in the Israel
lobby who embarrass me because they are extreme? Sure? Do
I think Israel itself has in some ways behaved badly,
especially vis a vis our president the greatest friend the
(36:51):
Jewish people I've ever had. Yes, does that if somebody
allows that to determine whether they interview Hollocos survivors. It's
anybody telling you that that is an excuse to become antisemitic,
I think is not a morally serious person. That is
a person who is not answering to their God. That
is a person who is answering to the inverse of
(37:12):
the algorithm. And I look down on that.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah, And I know that you think some of
the reaction has been counterproductive. So I just wanted to
give you an opportunity to say that. And listen, I
am going to convince you on jade Vance. It's just
gonna happen. I'm gonna take a bow, and the Internet's
gonna know because Jadevan is a good man.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And I know you.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Want to believe, and I know you're you're waiting for
you You're you're waiting for You're waiting for the signal
to proceed.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
We're gonna We're gonna get you there. Batya.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Thank you for joining on this twenty third of December,
two days before our Christian Christmas.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
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