December 17, 2025 • 39 mins
It's one day to the largest AmericaFest in history, but the show is still hard at work. The team reacts to a bombshell new FBI document revealing the shaky basis for the Mar-a-Lago raid three years ago and a possible invasion of Venezuela. Steve Deace joins to discuss the divisions within the American right and why a nationwide immigration moratorium could be the key to healing the nation's wounds.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is
Amfest Week and.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It Mfest twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Basically, yeah, we start tomorrow tomorrow evening. Probably gonna do
the show here from the studio tomorrow. I think I
said that wrong earlier in the week, So it's doing
the show here from the studio. Then we'll head on
over to the convention Center Friday. We'll we're gonna be
doing the show live from the Convention Center. You know,
that's gonna actually be a really bittersweet moment for me
(01:37):
because we've done the Charlie Kirkshow live from our events
countless times, and the Real America's Voice team is going
to be We're gonna be at that set. It's gonna
be good, but without Charlie, it's gonna be a really,
I think, just a tough moment. And but we you know,
we're gonna do it and it's gonna be great, and
we're grateful to our Real America's Voice team for helping
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with the production there and then and the whole media
row is just like stacked, it's you know, stack, stack stacked,
gonna be all the people's are gonna be there, and
you know, I'm actually I'm actually yeah, well I'm actually
in a point where like I feel like you know,
we've got to get through this last little push and
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it's gonna be I mean, this is like the Super
Bowl for turning point. And then I'm I'm really this year.
I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays.
I I hope, I pray, I hope. You know, I
want to just like hang out with my kids, and
I'm so anyways, hopefully we have a really big last
finale to the year and then we get to enjoy
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our family and have some some some rest, which that was.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The whole purpose. That's why he did amths when he did.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
He wanted that to be the finale of the year
political and.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Looking forward to the next, to the next. I mean,
we've got Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfeld, We've got Tucker Bannon,
We've got Megan Kelly.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Who else do we got? We got a lot of
people here.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
We've got Russell Brand, We've got Savannah Chris Lee, We've
got here, there's our there's our speaker lineup, Erica kirk Oh.
Of course jd Vance is gonna be our big finale.
I mean, the Glenn Beck. How many other people could
we go? Uh, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, all the folks.
So it's gonna be it's it's gonna be a phenomenal,
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phenomenal time, and I hope you guys will either check
it right, check it out on Real America's Voice, or
stream it on Rumble if you can't get tickets, And
I wish I could just say, hey, you could still
get tickets, which is usually the line, but this year
is a little different because a little bit that we maxed
out the space that the convention Center could give us,
so we had to adjust and turn off the ticketing.
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But if you go to amfest dot com and you
want to get tickets, you can get a discount a
ticket for next year. So that's kind of the work round,
the best we could do this year. So Amfest starting
up tomorrow night. You're not gonna want to miss it.
There's a lot of news here. We're gonna have Steve Dace,
who's just a great friend become a great good friend,
who's a good friend with Charlie before he's become a
good friend of mine. He is going to be joining
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us for the second half of this uh this hour,
and he's also he's in town for anfest, but he's
got a show.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So we're gonna do it remote. Let's talk about saving
the West, yes, which it needs much saving. It needs
much saving. I'm just checking now.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
They're still searching for that Brown University shooters. We may
have targeted that conservative student. I want to get her
name right, uh, Ella Cook, Ella Cook? Yes, yeah, and
they're still looking for him. They've have enhanced footage. There's
been rumors that it's a specific person. I don't want
to name him because the police have not named him. Yeah,
it's all over the socials.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yes, and the person has a he they yeah, yeah, yeah,
we don't.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Know who is. We don't know, so we shouldn't say more.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
We're holding back, you know. So anyways, that's a terrible story.
There's a blockade going on in Venezuela. There's a massive
story from James Chuck Grassley up about the FBI.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
That's that's putting in something that I mean, Charlie cared
a lot about, and it's that Chuck Grassley, the House team.
They've uncovered more documents related to that raid, which gosh,
that was three years ago. Wasn't it over three years ago?
It feels that feels crazy to me. I remember the
day that happened, but it's internal documents from the FBI
as they're debating whether due to this raid on Marlago.
(05:25):
To remind everyone, they all went there to find classified materials.
They allegedly found them. Whether anything in there was really
that important is up for debate, and of course the
President also has the power to declassify things with his mind.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So it was it was quite the bizarre case.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
And now we just have documents from the White House,
from the Washington Field Office, and you.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Got to where you got to remember this post image though,
Blake the remember this where they where they laid them
all out with the top secret covered sheet. But turns
out they put the cover sheets. It was like they
were filed away and then we have the image if
you guys, it was very silly, but it wasn't like
those they found those files with the top secret cover
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sheets on them.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah. But yeah, so this is the line.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
It's from assistant Special Agent in charge and they just write.
Very little has been developed related to who might be
culpable for mishandling documents from the interviews. Washington Field Office
has gathered information suggesting there maybe additional boxes, but there
is some concern that this information is single source, has
not been corroborated, and maybe dated, And they basically say
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there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a probable
cause standard.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Which is wild. So so there was doubt. Let's sum
this up. They're considering rating a president's home a former
president's home of the United States. I'm pretty sure that
it hasn't been done before. Yeah, they cross a rubicon
in American political life that you know, we've thus far
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managed to not emulate the Third world on They do
it even though there is a massive discussion in debate
about probable cause.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Do they have the probable probable cause to do so?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Absent a witness coming forward with recent information about classified
on site? At what point is it fair to table this?
It is time consuming for the team and not productive
if there are no new facts supporting probable cause. And
then it says this feels like a sentence weighted with
a lot of meaning. DOJ has appined that they do
have probable cause, requesting a wide scope including residents, office
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and storage space.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean this is a you know again, Chuck Grassley,
he's such a funny tweeter.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
By the way, the words he describing it it's a funny.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
He's a funny tweeter. Received shocking new docs today from
DJ and FBI showing FBI did not believe it had
probable cause to reid President Trump's mar A Lago home,
but Biden DOJ pushed for it anyway. Based on the records,
mar Al Lago raid was a mis carriage of justice.
Read for yourself, and we have the we have the
image of the document that he was delivered.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
But I mean, this is I mean, this is shocking.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Stuff like this shows the level of animis that existed
within the Biden DOJ for President Trump. The question that
I have where my mind goes, is how coordinated was this?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
What?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Like, how far does the conspiracy reach? Who was who
was involved in it, who was advising this?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah, well we say conspiracy, but we have you know,
they all said, our own point of view is that
the president can order DJ to investigate something.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So yeah, but if his own FBI is saying we
don't have probable cause, that's a that's a bombshell, for sure,
for sure a bombshell.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way,
because he's at nine hundred and ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Thousand x follows he needs nine hundred to get him
over the top. Get nine hundred to get over the top. Yeah,
we probably like that eight hundred and fifteen.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I just looked one thousand followers for every year he's
been in the Senate.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I'm gonna follow check Gratzley Radio. I just did it.
We also have this Venezuelan blockead. I want to at
least prime the pump here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
We have a new statement from President Trump on Venezuela.
This has been building for weeks. It's I think we've
been at ten different points where I thought, are we
going to invade Venezuela tomorrow? But it keeps ratcheting up.
And what the President announced yesterday is he sa. He
says the largest armada in history, in the history of
South America is surrounding Venezuelan out he says he's designated
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the Venezuelan government a terrorist organization, and he says they're
doing a total blockade on oil tankers going in or
out of Venezuela. That is noteworthy because historically a blockade
is conventionally considered an act of war.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
So it's definitely not as it's not kinetic like dropping.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's not. This will get it gets brought up a
lot because we of course blockaded.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and that was a
step they had to call it a quarantine instead of
a blockade. They could say that it wasn't going to do that.
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So here we go, so Venezuela. I want to play
this clip of Senator Fetterman because this this the drug
boats thing is It's like, I can't explain it, but
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the Democrats think this is like a political winner. And
I love that they're picking this because massively popular to
take out narco terrorists that are trying to deliver poison
onto our shores. It is happening. And finally there's a Democrat,
Senator Fetterman, who says, listen, the briefing we got yesterday
from Rubio and Hegseth was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Two thirty five.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
This idea is some things out in the media. It's
kind of putting out this that that the military is
just picking off, you know, any boat that comes across.
That's just not true. I mean there's extensive intelligence, and
they know exactly who's on that boat, and they know
what's actually on that boat right now, and it's quite
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frequently they declined to take it and to move on
those things. When they move on those kinetic kinds of strikes,
you know, they have absolute confidence that who's on it
and what's on it. And that's exactly what it's about.
They're not just going around randomly just shooting boats in
those things. That's just not the fact.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You really find yourself wondering how many boats there must
there are, because otherwise it seems like they would stop,
because no one wants to just commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
In that same interview, he did say that the majority
of the actions that are being taken or just boat
interdictions where they actually grab them on shore. I'm sure
they process them, seize the drugs, all that sort of thing.
So to your point, though we didn't read the true
social yet.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Did we did?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We didn't read the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, but it's like someone long, Well, it's interesting because
he says he so this is President Trump's true social
two twenty one, throw it up. But he says, Venezuela's
completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in the
history of South America will only get bigger, and the
shock to them will take will be like nothing they
have ever seen before. So he's basically you're right, he's
kind of employing almost like a medieval surround the castle
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block the resources going out.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But in this in.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Such time, yes, they returned to the United States of
America all the oil land and other assets that they
previously stole from US. And I don't think he means
literal territory. I think it's land that US companies almost
probably like Exon mobil.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
He nationalized a lot of things with socialism, so.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
They owned a lot of oil land that they were
able to extract the oil, and that's typically how these
things work. And it was nationalized, it was stolen from
American companies, and he alleges, which I think is provably true,
the Maduro regime is using oil from the stolen oil
fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping,
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for the theft of our assets, and many other reasons
including terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficking. Yeah, he says, therefore,
I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all
sanction oil tankers.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Okay, so the question is will this be I think
bombing the drug boat has been a win so far
and it'll remain that way as as long as they
don't blow up the wrong boat, then it's very bad.
But does it remain a win if we end up?
I mean, how how high can this go?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Like?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I think I think President Trump seems to believe he
could probably topple Venezuela quite easily. And I think it
would be easier than Afghanistan or Iraq would be because
I don't think you'd have it's not this ideological thing
where you have this.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's also a navy, you know, sea fleet right that
is blocking and they you know, Venezuela doesn't have a
way to counter us in that way.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
There's nobody.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, the same thing with those other countries we still
have spying them and having thousands of I don't think that's.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Where we're going.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I think he's gonna he's gonna basically choke the finances
of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to
flee and get out of there, so that somebody else
can listen. I have to say, as against foreign invasions,
and foreign abstractions and military operations. You know, we talked
about this. Michael Knowles is going to be more patience
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with the base to do this right. And I'll explain why.
First of all, there's been these Venezuelan gangs. You know,
Aurora Colorado story lives in the memory of the of
American citizens. It's one of the reasons President Trump won election.
These Venezuelan gangs are being funded, propped up, or at least,
you know, tacitly blessed by the Maduro regime to cause
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chaos in our borders. Okay, and by the mere fact
that these drug boats continue setting off for the United States.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Do we know that they're I know they say it
a lot. Well, which part like that they're signing off
on gangs doing something. I think Venezuela's just a crappy
country and so as here.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I think that that's essentially how Maduro keeps control. Is
what I've read is that he has sort of these
handshake wink wink agreements with these street gangs and they
they they do his bidding and they go where he wants.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
And I feel like the best outcome we could have
is they flee or get toppled. We get a you know,
the El Salvador guy Kelly, and we got a Bukelly
style government. We send all the Venezuelan and illegals back
to Venezuela and they immediately send them to some Venezuelan
hyper prison that they build for all of them, and
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we can pay them, pay them five billion dollars year.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
The number one export, his number one export is it's
gonna be like prison systems. Like it's great, like everyone's
if you look at the polls, everyone who neighbors Venezuela,
they're like they say, we want that, I want that,
and it great. If you got rid of probably in
the United States, four hundred thousand criminals off the streets
right now, we'd have paradise crime like zero crimes.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
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I'm very excited about our next guest, who I'm also
going to be seeing this weekend. That's what we're trying
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to do here is get people that are going to
be a part of our big weekend. That's of course
Steve Dace, host of The Steve Day Show. Steve, welcome
back to the show, my friend.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Good to see you, guys. God blessed. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, Merry Christmas. Excited to see you.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Lots going on this week's go be jam packed or
speaking to the crowd, do you want to give us
a little teaser what you're you're thinking about talking about
or uh uh.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
The number one thing I hope that we get out
of this weekend is I've just never experienced in the
kind of unity and seeds of revival like we had
at Charlie's memorial and the immediate thereafter. And I am
just hoping and praying in advance of this event that
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what this does is recaptures that going into the holidays,
and then we come out of the new year with
that kind of focus and drive and purpose and miss
shared missiology and momentum again. And so everything I mean,
you guys are keeping me busy this week. So everything
that I'm going to be a part of, uh here
at the convention Center in Phoenix is about is going
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to be about reinforcing that message, which is kind of
weird for me. I mean, from from much of my career,
I've kind of been the disruptor, insurgent guy. But you know,
Charlie convinced in the last year plus that if we
don't convince we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And so now as I get older, I hmim into
my fifties.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Now, I kind of feel like I'm grandpa now and
I'm trying to get everybody to stay on the same
team for the first time in my career. So I'm
gonna be harping on that a lot this week.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk
quote and I think it was right around the memorial
where he says we must hang together.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Or we shall surely hang separately. Yeah, and there really is.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve,
and this isn't where we were planning to go with it,
but I think it kind of all ties in with
what we were planning on talking about on the show today.
You know, there is a time for bringing coalitions together.
Usually that's election years, right. Obviously, you have to you
have to seed the ground before that happens, and you
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have to do the work before. But there can be
a time where you've got to sort of there is
a sifting. There can be a sifting that happens, and
it's it's truly a difficult question when that time is,
you know, how to who makes the call, who has
the leadership to sort of lead the you know, the
pruning and the you know, because you've got to prune
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every guard and you got to prune, prune every tree
if it's going to grow healthy. And there is a
point where that can be what what do you make
of this? I mean, the most famous example is the
Buckley in the in the in the Birth Society right
in the that sixties or seventies, John Birch Society fifty sixties,
fifty sixties. All right, I mean, so that's the most
famous example. But what do you make of that as
a as a larger question.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has
gone around the last few months, and I have it
here on my computer and I look at it like
daily and I think about it a lot. And it's
this meme where there's a giant dam and it's labeled
Charlie Kirk and it's holding back this this this huge,
you know, body of water essentially craziness, and the dam
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is between this crazy body of water and then how
we can actually unite and win.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And I think about that a lot.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
And I think people are just now seeing osthumously how
much Charlie was respected in that role and precisely was
thrust in that role because he did not seek it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I mean that that's the kind of respect.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
You can't appoint yourself an apostle, you can't appoint yourself
a bishop, you cannot appoint yourself a leader.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And most of the people that try to do that.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
You know, back in the day, when I was younger,
we used to say, you can't gloss yourself, right, And
so the guys that typically try to do that are
anything but about that life. And typically that stuff is
bestowed upon you organically by your peers. And I just
think there was a there was a unique combination both
of reverence for Charlie, respect for Charlie and his intellect,
fear of Charlie's intellect and his platform, and then you
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know the fact that he was a good, decent human
being at the same time that uniquely put him into
that position. And I think what you're seeing now is
there's various elements, these various factions within our movement. Now, Libertarians,
you know what America for No, we're really America firsters.
Maybe America onliers. You know, maybe we need to have
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a reconsideration of our relationship with Israel, maybe we can
have a partnership with the Islamic world. Maybe we need
to completely divorce ourselves from the Islamic world. The leaders
of these various factions now are kind of coming to
a head with their platforms to fill this void, and
that has created a lot of the dissension and argumentation
that you're seeing right now. And I think what we
actually really need is a real debate. I think we
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need to have a real argument and in constructive ways
so that people can legitimately feel as if their voices
are heard. I said in the aftermath of the interview
that Tucker did with Fuentes that a lot of people
got worked up about, and I said this on my show.
I said, listen, trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy
our coalition on one end, trying to cancel Tucker because
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he brings up topics you don't like and in ways
that all the time, frankly I don't even agree with,
will destroy it in the other end. All right, so
there's no win here by trying to cancel either side
of this various conversation. Well, we really need to have
our substantive debates, and I would urge the leaders of
these various factions that want to have their views reconsidered
now with this void left by Charlie's murder, then I
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would urge them, and I would try to be responsible,
try to understand the collateral damage when you bring something
up and disagree and be willing to have and let
the leaders of the other side and the other factions question. You,
go on one another shows, go on one another's platforms.
You know, I know there's going to be lots of
breakouts and stuff here this week in America fest. You know,
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this is really a time now that we need to
come now and reason together, as the Bible says, and
that's then the prophet Isaiah.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, I'm I'm one thousand percent with you. I was
on Ross Douthit's podcast and released last week and it
was it was a great experience actually, and the reason
I did it was because we had originally booked Charlie
to be on Ross's show in October, and you know,
lo and behold, he invited me to come out in December.
So I was honored to take the endation and to
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do it. And one of the things we talked about
was this this very thing, and I'm a proponent of
let's have the debate. Let's have the debate. The key
is is that in the online community it turns into,
you know, this kind of feud culture, which is not productive.
And that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid. We've been
trying to avoid it. And I think, you know, it's
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if you can stay out of the personal mud slinging
and you get into the debate the actual merits of
the of the ideas, that's when that's the sweet spot.
You should not be afraid of.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
The feud culture, the mud slinging, the personal animist that
stuff can be really really distracting and and by the way,
it's really seductive as well.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
The feud slinging and also just what they choose to
focus on. You know, since you mentioned Fuentes and others,
but that one of Charlie's best things is he really
was almost entirely focused on very practical politics. So he
was always he was always talking about the next race,
not even the big but this off year elections. He
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would have been really hammering the Virginia New Jersey races,
and that's why we tried to do the same, and
or even Wisconsin's Supreme Court election, Tennessee by election. He'd
get whipped up for these things, and he'd fixate on
what could Congress be doing right now, what could the
president be doing right now that will have an impact
on the border, on your individual life, And when he
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wasn't talking about politics, he was talking about that individual
life stuff. You should be going to church, you should
be you know, observe the Sabbath, if you can do
those things. And I do worry that a lot of
what's happened with the weirder stuff that's come into the right,
you know, arguing over I mean, let's be frank, a
lot of the stuff the debate about Israel, for a
lot of them, they really actually just want to hate
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on Jewish people. And besides the fact that I consider
that generally morally wrong, it's also a huge distraction from everything.
And it occurred to me that there was this big
cancel battle going on in late October of this year,
right before important elections, and there were a lot of
people who weren't talking about that.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
They were talking about whether it was okay to attack
world jewelry or not. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this to you,
Charlie was always had this guiding north star. I think
that kept him very clear minded about what was important,
what wasn't and that was saved the West, Save America,
Save the West. And you postulate that there's really only
two ways we do that, what are those?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Steve?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
I think one comes from above providence, and that's mass revival.
When you see that two percent of France, less than
two percent is evangelical. You see many of the old
Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just
barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe. We're beyond just
you know, rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to
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that level of spiritual degradation. So we need mass, great
awakening level revival. It's not a coincidence that we had
great awakenings before we had you know, we had liberty
in America, we had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan
Edwards and others. So what can we do in the practicum,
Because that comes from above, and in the practicum, I
think we're doomed without a flat out, all out immigration moratorium,
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and I might even extend it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Hold on, ye say it again so they can hear
you in the bag, Steve.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all
out immigration moratorium at least five years. I'd say a
decade something along the lines with my good friend Congressman
Ship Roy is proposing right now with the Pause Act.
But I'd make it even more draconian. And I hate
saying this, guys. I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism,
you know it. I like thumping my Bible, man, I
love it. Okay, but I'm not even sure how many
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Christian asylum cases we can take because a lot of
them are going to come from countries that are dominated
by Islam.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
So how do we know? How do we vet? How
do we know?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Because our current whatever the vetting system was around here
for the last twenty plus years, suck all right. Since
nine to eleven, we've taken in over three million people
from Islamic dominated countries. That is absolute cultural suicide. Well,
and I think we we've got to stop it.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, and Steve, how many kids did they have?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
So?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Okay, we took in three million, but are they having
you know, four point seven children each each couple there,
So is that really? Is that really closer to fifteen million?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Now?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
And you see what happened in Bondai Beach. I mean,
you know this is we the West is sleep walking
into cultural suicide. And there's many of us that are
are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and down, saying
please wake up. Charlie was big on this, and there
seems to be a faction within our own ranks that
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is I don't know more CosIng up to this idea
that we can be friends with. Uh, you know Islamists
that move into our into our own country. Yeah, there
are fifty Muslim majority countries in the in the world.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
There's lots of options. You don't need to have them
move to the West.
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But yeah, this is this is my question when the
West is insistent upon importing third worlders. By the way,
Trump just expanded his travel restrictions in additional twenty countries
and the Palestinian Authority doubling the number of nations affected
by sweeping limits announced earlier.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
This travel ban, that's a very yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I mean, this is you know, I'm totally okay with it.
I think, to your point draconian, he's he's getting more
serious about it. And by the way, when I talk
to any of my friends that are connected to the administration,
I just say, that is a popular policy. Please know,
we got your back. If there's one thing that you
is uniting right wing political online culture with political culture,
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it's immigration.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So that's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
I mean, look at the Prime Minister of Australia, not
our hemisphere, but obviously it's a country that's founding, is
mired in Western you know, values and philosophies. Right after
what happened there, his immediate to call was for more
common sense gun control, you know. And no one can
rise above their own worldview. Worldview is destiny or the
Bible says, as a man thinketh so is he right?
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And so if your worldview in response, you should be
tempted to go so far the other way that we
do have to say, hey, slow down, let's not just
go ahead and mass you know, collectively, guilt people because
of what happened here. Instead, the temptation is to double
down on the very policies that lead to more and
more of these tragedies. And when you're dealing with something
like that, that to me is again immigration moratorium. We
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clearly cannot think this through right now. We need a
full stop right.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Now, and Steve, the only way you get that is
with a filibuster. But even if you did a filibuster,
if you nuke the filibuster.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
All right, So, Steve, if you're calling for an immigration moratorium,
I am totally on board. I would do it for
at least a decade, but I'll take what I can get.
The question then becomes, how do you ave that political end?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
You're seeing today that four Republicans have broke in the
House for Obamacare subsidies. That is a very clear indication
that we do not have very tough people. Yeah, we
have a bunch of Democrat lights in the House and
probably in the Senate. You think Susan Collins, you think
Lisa Murkowski, you think Ram Paul, you think who else
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you got? Mitch McConnell's still in there. Even if we
nuke the filibuster, you'd have to presume two things, One
that we have enough votes to do so, and secondly
that once we do so, we'd have enough political will
to accomplish the truly important critical pieces that will save America.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And I don't think we have either.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
That's exactly why we need to try to do it though,
so our people can see. Remember, the Dred Scott case
is considered to be one of the key components that
led to the end of slavery in America. We lost
that case, but people got to see the US Supreme
Court look at a black man and say that's not
a person, it's property. And that clarifying that, that clarifier
I the abolitionist movement in the next era to do
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what must be done to win. And so I think
we need to try these things, even if they fail
to spur on our people so that what comes after
Trump then is even more zealous for the kinds of
things we're talking about now that they fully know who
and what it truly is that we are aligned with.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Interesting, you might have just convinced me I've been really
wavering on this. I think Blake, Blake you're probably a
little bit on the other side of that argument, and
I've just been I admittedly i've been in the mushy
middle because I could see it going, like I'm gaming
it out how we could do this, and I don't,
but you might.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Have convinced, Yeah, it's it's just tough. It's tough, very hard.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
We don't have the soldiers in the field right now.
But there's a.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Line like in science that science progresses one funeral at
a time, and I feel like Republican courage progresses one
retirement at a time.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, we just had another retirement announce in Washington State. Okay,
so we wanna get immigration done. We would all go
in favor of an immigration moratory. How many votes? So
let's set the filibuster nuking the filibusters side. Let's assume
that we can do that. Let's assume we get fifty
plus one. What happens next? How many US Senators would
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vote for an immigration moratorium right now?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
I don't think there's any chance it would pass, but
I think our people need to have this.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
How many do you think we get? Ten?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You think I bet you get I bet you get it.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
I bet you get twenty or twenty five because now
they're votes on the record, and you have to understand,
the way the Republican Party establishment works is an incumbency
protection racket, right, So they don't want a lot of
these things to even come up for a vote because
they don't want the base to know just truly how
weak a lot of the people.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That are voting for really are.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
And so this kind of clarifier, you're gonna get the
people that were never with us, They're gonna get more
emboldened to be So then you're gonna get some squishy
people who don't want to be known that they're on
the wrong side of history here that would like to
keep collecting those pension points there in Washington, DC. So
I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican Senators
to vote for it.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of
what happened with Obamacare, for example, where the Republicans would
endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare
because they knew it was not going to pass. So
what was you have in our Senate? How many of
them would vote for the full immigration moratorium as long
as they had ironclad confidence it was not actually going
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to pass. And then if it seemed, oh, we have
fifty eight Republican senators, we could conceivably pass it, Suddenly
everyone gets shaky. There's problems with it. You have the
ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say, oh, I'm
actually going to vote with the Dems on this one.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
So well, and here's the thing. You could do a
net zero immigration moratorium.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
So the estimates are around two hundred to three hundred
thousand people US citizens and immigrants. Foreign born residents leave
the United States every year two to three hundred thousand.
So it's not like you're not allowing some movement of humanity.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
You can bring in a new h one v if
you spawn, if you get somebody else to.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Live, and you have to pay one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I'm just picturing like a tech company and maybe Microsoft
or something, and they find refugees and they just say,
we'll pay you fifty thousand dollars, will resettle you in
this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something
like Trump can stand up like that, you're dumping people
there so they can bring in tech workers.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Trump can stand up on jokers right now, he can.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
He can stand up like the joker, break the custick
in half and say we're gonna have tryout, all right,
all right, and so you've got to get before you.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Can come in.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
This is yeah, I mean listen, but I actually think
some of these ideas. So a lot of people look, okay, okay,
Trump gold card, right that the Trump card or whatever?
Five million dollars people, And you know, I posted something
on on X and people are like something about how
you know a piece of paper doesn't make you an
American And they're like, yeah, we agree, what about the
Trump card. It's like, okay, we have have to have
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a sum pragmatism in here. We have to look at
you know, for example, I'm against h one B's, but
I'm pro genius visas, so why can't they have more
geniuses moving.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
At this point, I often just look at what China
does because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves,
even if they're ideologically very different. And China has immigrants,
they just have very few. They find a world class
expert in something and they say, come here, we'll pay
you a million dollars a year, two million dollars a year,
and you have to teach these native Chinese everything, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, imagine that.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
If you look at if you look at the H
one B program.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Guys, right now, there's about as many H one B
visas in America as there are college educated people in
the unemployment line. And so we keep being told that
Americans cannot do these jobs. So let me repeat that
there's about as many college degreed people in the unemployment
line in America right now as we have H one
B visas. I mean, if we're graduating from college and
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you cannot even do baseline H one B visa work,
then I think we should seriously consider why we even
have college, which is a universities. And in the first place,
what are they other than learning how to become a
gay race communist. What are they doing there?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Well, you know it kind of I hate to I mean,
that's a funny line and I want to enjoy the moment,
but for some reason it it made me think of
poor Ella Cook at Brown University. You know, these the
the radical environment that she was living around, and we're
waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted. But I'm
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gonna be honest, like it's hitting me. Like, you know,
the story didn't hit me as hard at first. It
felt sad and sympathy and I said a prayer for
her and her family. But as the days go on
and I sit with this, it's hitting me hard. I'm
like I'm having you know, it's hitting closer to home
because I think, but what happened to Charlie, and it
just is breaking my heart.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And uh, you know, these.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Universities, they had a lot of federal funding, they get
a lot of prop you know, they propped up and
they're you know, you're indoctrinating your your children. You're you're
playing Russian Roulette with their values. Steve Dace, we are
going to see you this weekend, my friend.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
That was a really fun conversation, Soky.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Guys, we appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
We'll see it anytime I see you tomorrow, probably you
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that's gonna actually be a really bittersweet moment for me
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to be We're gonna be at that set. It's gonna
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you know, I'm actually I'm actually yeah, well I'm actually
in a point where like I feel like you know,
we've got to get through this last little push and
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Bowl for turning point. And then I'm I'm really this year.
I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays.
I I hope, I pray, I hope. You know, I
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Looking forward to the next, to the next. I mean,
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We've got Megan Kelly.
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Who else do we got? We got a lot of
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I mean, the Glenn Beck. How many other people could
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There's a lot of news here. We're gonna have Steve Dace,
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and he's also he's in town for anfest, but he's
got a show.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So we're gonna do it remote. Let's talk about saving
the West, yes, which it needs much saving. It needs
much saving. I'm just checking now.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
They're still searching for that Brown University shooters. We may
have targeted that conservative student. I want to get her
name right, uh, Ella Cook, Ella Cook? Yes, yeah, and
they're still looking for him. They've have enhanced footage. There's
been rumors that it's a specific person. I don't want
to name him because the police have not named him. Yeah,
it's all over the socials.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yes, and the person has a he they yeah, yeah, yeah,
we don't.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Know who is. We don't know, so we shouldn't say more.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
We're holding back, you know. So anyways, that's a terrible story.
There's a blockade going on in Venezuela. There's a massive
story from James Chuck Grassley up about the FBI.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
That's that's putting in something that I mean, Charlie cared
a lot about, and it's that Chuck Grassley, the House team.
They've uncovered more documents related to that raid, which gosh,
that was three years ago. Wasn't it over three years ago?
It feels that feels crazy to me. I remember the
day that happened, but it's internal documents from the FBI
as they're debating whether due to this raid on Marlago.
(05:25):
To remind everyone, they all went there to find classified materials.
They allegedly found them. Whether anything in there was really
that important is up for debate, and of course the
President also has the power to declassify things with his mind.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So it was it was quite the bizarre case.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
And now we just have documents from the White House,
from the Washington Field Office, and you.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Got to where you got to remember this post image though,
Blake the remember this where they where they laid them
all out with the top secret covered sheet. But turns
out they put the cover sheets. It was like they
were filed away and then we have the image if
you guys, it was very silly, but it wasn't like
those they found those files with the top secret cover
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sheets on them.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah. But yeah, so this is the line.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
It's from assistant Special Agent in charge and they just write.
Very little has been developed related to who might be
culpable for mishandling documents from the interviews. Washington Field Office
has gathered information suggesting there maybe additional boxes, but there
is some concern that this information is single source, has
not been corroborated, and maybe dated, And they basically say
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there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a probable
cause standard.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Which is wild. So so there was doubt. Let's sum
this up. They're considering rating a president's home a former
president's home of the United States. I'm pretty sure that
it hasn't been done before. Yeah, they cross a rubicon
in American political life that you know, we've thus far
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managed to not emulate the Third world on They do
it even though there is a massive discussion in debate
about probable cause.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Do they have the probable probable cause to do so?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Absent a witness coming forward with recent information about classified
on site? At what point is it fair to table this?
It is time consuming for the team and not productive
if there are no new facts supporting probable cause. And
then it says this feels like a sentence weighted with
a lot of meaning. DOJ has appined that they do
have probable cause, requesting a wide scope including residents, office
(07:34):
and storage space.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean this is a you know again, Chuck Grassley,
he's such a funny tweeter.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
By the way, the words he describing it it's a funny.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
He's a funny tweeter. Received shocking new docs today from
DJ and FBI showing FBI did not believe it had
probable cause to reid President Trump's mar A Lago home,
but Biden DOJ pushed for it anyway. Based on the records,
mar Al Lago raid was a mis carriage of justice.
Read for yourself, and we have the we have the
image of the document that he was delivered.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
But I mean, this is I mean, this is shocking.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Stuff like this shows the level of animis that existed
within the Biden DOJ for President Trump. The question that
I have where my mind goes, is how coordinated was this?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
What?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Like, how far does the conspiracy reach? Who was who
was involved in it, who was advising this?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah, well we say conspiracy, but we have you know,
they all said, our own point of view is that
the president can order DJ to investigate something.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So yeah, but if his own FBI is saying we
don't have probable cause, that's a that's a bombshell, for sure,
for sure a bombshell.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way,
because he's at nine hundred and ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Thousand x follows he needs nine hundred to get him
over the top. Get nine hundred to get over the top. Yeah,
we probably like that eight hundred and fifteen.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I just looked one thousand followers for every year he's
been in the Senate.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I'm gonna follow check Gratzley Radio. I just did it.
We also have this Venezuelan blockead. I want to at
least prime the pump here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
We have a new statement from President Trump on Venezuela.
This has been building for weeks. It's I think we've
been at ten different points where I thought, are we
going to invade Venezuela tomorrow? But it keeps ratcheting up.
And what the President announced yesterday is he sa. He
says the largest armada in history, in the history of
South America is surrounding Venezuelan out he says he's designated
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the Venezuelan government a terrorist organization, and he says they're
doing a total blockade on oil tankers going in or
out of Venezuela. That is noteworthy because historically a blockade
is conventionally considered an act of war.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
So it's definitely not as it's not kinetic like dropping.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's not. This will get it gets brought up a
lot because we of course blockaded.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and that was a
step they had to call it a quarantine instead of
a blockade. They could say that it wasn't going to do that.
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So here we go, so Venezuela. I want to play
this clip of Senator Fetterman because this this the drug
boats thing is It's like, I can't explain it, but
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the Democrats think this is like a political winner. And
I love that they're picking this because massively popular to
take out narco terrorists that are trying to deliver poison
onto our shores. It is happening. And finally there's a Democrat,
Senator Fetterman, who says, listen, the briefing we got yesterday
from Rubio and Hegseth was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Two thirty five.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
This idea is some things out in the media. It's
kind of putting out this that that the military is
just picking off, you know, any boat that comes across.
That's just not true. I mean there's extensive intelligence, and
they know exactly who's on that boat, and they know
what's actually on that boat right now, and it's quite
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frequently they declined to take it and to move on
those things. When they move on those kinetic kinds of strikes,
you know, they have absolute confidence that who's on it
and what's on it. And that's exactly what it's about.
They're not just going around randomly just shooting boats in
those things. That's just not the fact.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You really find yourself wondering how many boats there must
there are, because otherwise it seems like they would stop,
because no one wants to just commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
In that same interview, he did say that the majority
of the actions that are being taken or just boat
interdictions where they actually grab them on shore. I'm sure
they process them, seize the drugs, all that sort of thing.
So to your point, though we didn't read the true
social yet.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Did we did?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We didn't read the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, but it's like someone long, Well, it's interesting because
he says he so this is President Trump's true social
two twenty one, throw it up. But he says, Venezuela's
completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in the
history of South America will only get bigger, and the
shock to them will take will be like nothing they
have ever seen before. So he's basically you're right, he's
kind of employing almost like a medieval surround the castle
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block the resources going out.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But in this in.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Such time, yes, they returned to the United States of
America all the oil land and other assets that they
previously stole from US. And I don't think he means
literal territory. I think it's land that US companies almost
probably like Exon mobil.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
He nationalized a lot of things with socialism, so.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
They owned a lot of oil land that they were
able to extract the oil, and that's typically how these
things work. And it was nationalized, it was stolen from
American companies, and he alleges, which I think is provably true,
the Maduro regime is using oil from the stolen oil
fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping,
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for the theft of our assets, and many other reasons
including terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficking. Yeah, he says, therefore,
I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all
sanction oil tankers.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Okay, so the question is will this be I think
bombing the drug boat has been a win so far
and it'll remain that way as as long as they
don't blow up the wrong boat, then it's very bad.
But does it remain a win if we end up?
I mean, how how high can this go?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Like?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I think I think President Trump seems to believe he
could probably topple Venezuela quite easily. And I think it
would be easier than Afghanistan or Iraq would be because
I don't think you'd have it's not this ideological thing
where you have this.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's also a navy, you know, sea fleet right that
is blocking and they you know, Venezuela doesn't have a
way to counter us in that way.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
There's nobody.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, the same thing with those other countries we still
have spying them and having thousands of I don't think that's.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Where we're going.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I think he's gonna he's gonna basically choke the finances
of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to
flee and get out of there, so that somebody else
can listen. I have to say, as against foreign invasions,
and foreign abstractions and military operations. You know, we talked
about this. Michael Knowles is going to be more patience
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with the base to do this right. And I'll explain why.
First of all, there's been these Venezuelan gangs. You know,
Aurora Colorado story lives in the memory of the of
American citizens. It's one of the reasons President Trump won election.
These Venezuelan gangs are being funded, propped up, or at least,
you know, tacitly blessed by the Maduro regime to cause
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chaos in our borders. Okay, and by the mere fact
that these drug boats continue setting off for the United States.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Do we know that they're I know they say it
a lot. Well, which part like that they're signing off
on gangs doing something. I think Venezuela's just a crappy
country and so as here.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I think that that's essentially how Maduro keeps control. Is
what I've read is that he has sort of these
handshake wink wink agreements with these street gangs and they
they they do his bidding and they go where he wants.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
And I feel like the best outcome we could have
is they flee or get toppled. We get a you know,
the El Salvador guy Kelly, and we got a Bukelly
style government. We send all the Venezuelan and illegals back
to Venezuela and they immediately send them to some Venezuelan
hyper prison that they build for all of them, and
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we can pay them, pay them five billion dollars year.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
The number one export, his number one export is it's
gonna be like prison systems. Like it's great, like everyone's
if you look at the polls, everyone who neighbors Venezuela,
they're like they say, we want that, I want that,
and it great. If you got rid of probably in
the United States, four hundred thousand criminals off the streets
right now, we'd have paradise crime like zero crimes.
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to do here is get people that are going to
be a part of our big weekend. That's of course
Steve Dace, host of The Steve Day Show. Steve, welcome
back to the show, my friend.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Good to see you, guys. God blessed. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, Merry Christmas. Excited to see you.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Lots going on this week's go be jam packed or
speaking to the crowd, do you want to give us
a little teaser what you're you're thinking about talking about
or uh uh.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
The number one thing I hope that we get out
of this weekend is I've just never experienced in the
kind of unity and seeds of revival like we had
at Charlie's memorial and the immediate thereafter. And I am
just hoping and praying in advance of this event that
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what this does is recaptures that going into the holidays,
and then we come out of the new year with
that kind of focus and drive and purpose and miss
shared missiology and momentum again. And so everything I mean,
you guys are keeping me busy this week. So everything
that I'm going to be a part of, uh here
at the convention Center in Phoenix is about is going
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to be about reinforcing that message, which is kind of
weird for me. I mean, from from much of my career,
I've kind of been the disruptor, insurgent guy. But you know,
Charlie convinced in the last year plus that if we
don't convince we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And so now as I get older, I hmim into
my fifties.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Now, I kind of feel like I'm grandpa now and
I'm trying to get everybody to stay on the same
team for the first time in my career. So I'm
gonna be harping on that a lot this week.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk
quote and I think it was right around the memorial
where he says we must hang together.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Or we shall surely hang separately. Yeah, and there really is.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve,
and this isn't where we were planning to go with it,
but I think it kind of all ties in with
what we were planning on talking about on the show today.
You know, there is a time for bringing coalitions together.
Usually that's election years, right. Obviously, you have to you
have to seed the ground before that happens, and you
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have to do the work before. But there can be
a time where you've got to sort of there is
a sifting. There can be a sifting that happens, and
it's it's truly a difficult question when that time is,
you know, how to who makes the call, who has
the leadership to sort of lead the you know, the
pruning and the you know, because you've got to prune
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every guard and you got to prune, prune every tree
if it's going to grow healthy. And there is a
point where that can be what what do you make
of this? I mean, the most famous example is the
Buckley in the in the in the Birth Society right
in the that sixties or seventies, John Birch Society fifty sixties,
fifty sixties. All right, I mean, so that's the most
famous example. But what do you make of that as
a as a larger question.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has
gone around the last few months, and I have it
here on my computer and I look at it like
daily and I think about it a lot. And it's
this meme where there's a giant dam and it's labeled
Charlie Kirk and it's holding back this this this huge,
you know, body of water essentially craziness, and the dam
(20:51):
is between this crazy body of water and then how
we can actually unite and win.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And I think about that a lot.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
And I think people are just now seeing osthumously how
much Charlie was respected in that role and precisely was
thrust in that role because he did not seek it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I mean that that's the kind of respect.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
You can't appoint yourself an apostle, you can't appoint yourself
a bishop, you cannot appoint yourself a leader.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And most of the people that try to do that.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
You know, back in the day, when I was younger,
we used to say, you can't gloss yourself, right, And
so the guys that typically try to do that are
anything but about that life. And typically that stuff is
bestowed upon you organically by your peers. And I just
think there was a there was a unique combination both
of reverence for Charlie, respect for Charlie and his intellect,
fear of Charlie's intellect and his platform, and then you
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know the fact that he was a good, decent human
being at the same time that uniquely put him into
that position. And I think what you're seeing now is
there's various elements, these various factions within our movement. Now, Libertarians,
you know what America for No, we're really America firsters.
Maybe America onliers. You know, maybe we need to have
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a reconsideration of our relationship with Israel, maybe we can
have a partnership with the Islamic world. Maybe we need
to completely divorce ourselves from the Islamic world. The leaders
of these various factions now are kind of coming to
a head with their platforms to fill this void, and
that has created a lot of the dissension and argumentation
that you're seeing right now. And I think what we
actually really need is a real debate. I think we
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need to have a real argument and in constructive ways
so that people can legitimately feel as if their voices
are heard. I said in the aftermath of the interview
that Tucker did with Fuentes that a lot of people
got worked up about, and I said this on my show.
I said, listen, trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy
our coalition on one end, trying to cancel Tucker because
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he brings up topics you don't like and in ways
that all the time, frankly I don't even agree with,
will destroy it in the other end. All right, so
there's no win here by trying to cancel either side
of this various conversation. Well, we really need to have
our substantive debates, and I would urge the leaders of
these various factions that want to have their views reconsidered
now with this void left by Charlie's murder, then I
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would urge them, and I would try to be responsible,
try to understand the collateral damage when you bring something
up and disagree and be willing to have and let
the leaders of the other side and the other factions question. You,
go on one another shows, go on one another's platforms.
You know, I know there's going to be lots of
breakouts and stuff here this week in America fest. You know,
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this is really a time now that we need to
come now and reason together, as the Bible says, and
that's then the prophet Isaiah.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, I'm I'm one thousand percent with you. I was
on Ross Douthit's podcast and released last week and it
was it was a great experience actually, and the reason
I did it was because we had originally booked Charlie
to be on Ross's show in October, and you know,
lo and behold, he invited me to come out in December.
So I was honored to take the endation and to
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do it. And one of the things we talked about
was this this very thing, and I'm a proponent of
let's have the debate. Let's have the debate. The key
is is that in the online community it turns into,
you know, this kind of feud culture, which is not productive.
And that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid. We've been
trying to avoid it. And I think, you know, it's
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if you can stay out of the personal mud slinging
and you get into the debate the actual merits of
the of the ideas, that's when that's the sweet spot.
You should not be afraid of.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
The feud culture, the mud slinging, the personal animist that
stuff can be really really distracting and and by the way,
it's really seductive as well.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
The feud slinging and also just what they choose to
focus on. You know, since you mentioned Fuentes and others,
but that one of Charlie's best things is he really
was almost entirely focused on very practical politics. So he
was always he was always talking about the next race,
not even the big but this off year elections. He
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would have been really hammering the Virginia New Jersey races,
and that's why we tried to do the same, and
or even Wisconsin's Supreme Court election, Tennessee by election. He'd
get whipped up for these things, and he'd fixate on
what could Congress be doing right now, what could the
president be doing right now that will have an impact
on the border, on your individual life, And when he
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wasn't talking about politics, he was talking about that individual
life stuff. You should be going to church, you should
be you know, observe the Sabbath, if you can do
those things. And I do worry that a lot of
what's happened with the weirder stuff that's come into the right,
you know, arguing over I mean, let's be frank, a
lot of the stuff the debate about Israel, for a
lot of them, they really actually just want to hate
(25:44):
on Jewish people. And besides the fact that I consider
that generally morally wrong, it's also a huge distraction from everything.
And it occurred to me that there was this big
cancel battle going on in late October of this year,
right before important elections, and there were a lot of
people who weren't talking about that.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
They were talking about whether it was okay to attack
world jewelry or not. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this to you,
Charlie was always had this guiding north star. I think
that kept him very clear minded about what was important,
what wasn't and that was saved the West, Save America,
Save the West. And you postulate that there's really only
two ways we do that, what are those?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Steve?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
I think one comes from above providence, and that's mass revival.
When you see that two percent of France, less than
two percent is evangelical. You see many of the old
Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just
barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe. We're beyond just
you know, rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to
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that level of spiritual degradation. So we need mass, great
awakening level revival. It's not a coincidence that we had
great awakenings before we had you know, we had liberty
in America, we had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan
Edwards and others. So what can we do in the practicum,
Because that comes from above, and in the practicum, I
think we're doomed without a flat out, all out immigration moratorium,
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and I might even extend it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Hold on, ye say it again so they can hear
you in the bag, Steve.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all
out immigration moratorium at least five years. I'd say a
decade something along the lines with my good friend Congressman
Ship Roy is proposing right now with the Pause Act.
But I'd make it even more draconian. And I hate
saying this, guys. I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism,
you know it. I like thumping my Bible, man, I
love it. Okay, but I'm not even sure how many
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Christian asylum cases we can take because a lot of
them are going to come from countries that are dominated
by Islam.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
So how do we know? How do we vet? How
do we know?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Because our current whatever the vetting system was around here
for the last twenty plus years, suck all right. Since
nine to eleven, we've taken in over three million people
from Islamic dominated countries. That is absolute cultural suicide. Well,
and I think we we've got to stop it.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, and Steve, how many kids did they have?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
So?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Okay, we took in three million, but are they having
you know, four point seven children each each couple there,
So is that really? Is that really closer to fifteen million?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Now?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
And you see what happened in Bondai Beach. I mean,
you know this is we the West is sleep walking
into cultural suicide. And there's many of us that are
are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and down, saying
please wake up. Charlie was big on this, and there
seems to be a faction within our own ranks that
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is I don't know more CosIng up to this idea
that we can be friends with. Uh, you know Islamists
that move into our into our own country. Yeah, there
are fifty Muslim majority countries in the in the world.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
There's lots of options. You don't need to have them
move to the West.
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But yeah, this is this is my question when the
West is insistent upon importing third worlders. By the way,
Trump just expanded his travel restrictions in additional twenty countries
and the Palestinian Authority doubling the number of nations affected
by sweeping limits announced earlier.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
This travel ban, that's a very yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I mean, this is you know, I'm totally okay with it.
I think, to your point draconian, he's he's getting more
serious about it. And by the way, when I talk
to any of my friends that are connected to the administration,
I just say, that is a popular policy. Please know,
we got your back. If there's one thing that you
is uniting right wing political online culture with political culture,
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it's immigration.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So that's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
I mean, look at the Prime Minister of Australia, not
our hemisphere, but obviously it's a country that's founding, is
mired in Western you know, values and philosophies. Right after
what happened there, his immediate to call was for more
common sense gun control, you know. And no one can
rise above their own worldview. Worldview is destiny or the
Bible says, as a man thinketh so is he right?
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And so if your worldview in response, you should be
tempted to go so far the other way that we
do have to say, hey, slow down, let's not just
go ahead and mass you know, collectively, guilt people because
of what happened here. Instead, the temptation is to double
down on the very policies that lead to more and
more of these tragedies. And when you're dealing with something
like that, that to me is again immigration moratorium. We
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clearly cannot think this through right now. We need a
full stop right.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Now, and Steve, the only way you get that is
with a filibuster. But even if you did a filibuster,
if you nuke the filibuster.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
All right, So, Steve, if you're calling for an immigration moratorium,
I am totally on board. I would do it for
at least a decade, but I'll take what I can get.
The question then becomes, how do you ave that political end?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
You're seeing today that four Republicans have broke in the
House for Obamacare subsidies. That is a very clear indication
that we do not have very tough people. Yeah, we
have a bunch of Democrat lights in the House and
probably in the Senate. You think Susan Collins, you think
Lisa Murkowski, you think Ram Paul, you think who else
(32:23):
you got? Mitch McConnell's still in there. Even if we
nuke the filibuster, you'd have to presume two things, One
that we have enough votes to do so, and secondly
that once we do so, we'd have enough political will
to accomplish the truly important critical pieces that will save America.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And I don't think we have either.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
That's exactly why we need to try to do it though,
so our people can see. Remember, the Dred Scott case
is considered to be one of the key components that
led to the end of slavery in America. We lost
that case, but people got to see the US Supreme
Court look at a black man and say that's not
a person, it's property. And that clarifying that, that clarifier
I the abolitionist movement in the next era to do
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what must be done to win. And so I think
we need to try these things, even if they fail
to spur on our people so that what comes after
Trump then is even more zealous for the kinds of
things we're talking about now that they fully know who
and what it truly is that we are aligned with.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Interesting, you might have just convinced me I've been really
wavering on this. I think Blake, Blake you're probably a
little bit on the other side of that argument, and
I've just been I admittedly i've been in the mushy
middle because I could see it going, like I'm gaming
it out how we could do this, and I don't,
but you might.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Have convinced, Yeah, it's it's just tough. It's tough, very hard.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
We don't have the soldiers in the field right now.
But there's a.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Line like in science that science progresses one funeral at
a time, and I feel like Republican courage progresses one
retirement at a time.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, we just had another retirement announce in Washington State. Okay,
so we wanna get immigration done. We would all go
in favor of an immigration moratory. How many votes? So
let's set the filibuster nuking the filibusters side. Let's assume
that we can do that. Let's assume we get fifty
plus one. What happens next? How many US Senators would
(34:13):
vote for an immigration moratorium right now?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
I don't think there's any chance it would pass, but
I think our people need to have this.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
How many do you think we get? Ten?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You think I bet you get I bet you get it.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
I bet you get twenty or twenty five because now
they're votes on the record, and you have to understand,
the way the Republican Party establishment works is an incumbency
protection racket, right, So they don't want a lot of
these things to even come up for a vote because
they don't want the base to know just truly how
weak a lot of the people.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That are voting for really are.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
And so this kind of clarifier, you're gonna get the
people that were never with us, They're gonna get more
emboldened to be So then you're gonna get some squishy
people who don't want to be known that they're on
the wrong side of history here that would like to
keep collecting those pension points there in Washington, DC. So
I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican Senators
to vote for it.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of
what happened with Obamacare, for example, where the Republicans would
endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare
because they knew it was not going to pass. So
what was you have in our Senate? How many of
them would vote for the full immigration moratorium as long
as they had ironclad confidence it was not actually going
(35:23):
to pass. And then if it seemed, oh, we have
fifty eight Republican senators, we could conceivably pass it, Suddenly
everyone gets shaky. There's problems with it. You have the
ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say, oh, I'm
actually going to vote with the Dems on this one.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
So well, and here's the thing. You could do a
net zero immigration moratorium.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
So the estimates are around two hundred to three hundred
thousand people US citizens and immigrants. Foreign born residents leave
the United States every year two to three hundred thousand.
So it's not like you're not allowing some movement of humanity.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
You can bring in a new h one v if
you spawn, if you get somebody else to.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Live, and you have to pay one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I'm just picturing like a tech company and maybe Microsoft
or something, and they find refugees and they just say,
we'll pay you fifty thousand dollars, will resettle you in
this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something
like Trump can stand up like that, you're dumping people
there so they can bring in tech workers.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Trump can stand up on jokers right now, he can.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
He can stand up like the joker, break the custick
in half and say we're gonna have tryout, all right,
all right, and so you've got to get before you.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Can come in.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
This is yeah, I mean listen, but I actually think
some of these ideas. So a lot of people look, okay, okay,
Trump gold card, right that the Trump card or whatever?
Five million dollars people, And you know, I posted something
on on X and people are like something about how
you know a piece of paper doesn't make you an
American And they're like, yeah, we agree, what about the
Trump card. It's like, okay, we have have to have
(37:00):
a sum pragmatism in here. We have to look at
you know, for example, I'm against h one B's, but
I'm pro genius visas, so why can't they have more
geniuses moving.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
At this point, I often just look at what China
does because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves,
even if they're ideologically very different. And China has immigrants,
they just have very few. They find a world class
expert in something and they say, come here, we'll pay
you a million dollars a year, two million dollars a year,
and you have to teach these native Chinese everything, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, imagine that.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
If you look at if you look at the H
one B program.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Guys, right now, there's about as many H one B
visas in America as there are college educated people in
the unemployment line. And so we keep being told that
Americans cannot do these jobs. So let me repeat that
there's about as many college degreed people in the unemployment
line in America right now as we have H one
B visas. I mean, if we're graduating from college and
(37:54):
you cannot even do baseline H one B visa work,
then I think we should seriously consider why we even
have college, which is a universities. And in the first place,
what are they other than learning how to become a
gay race communist. What are they doing there?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Well, you know it kind of I hate to I mean,
that's a funny line and I want to enjoy the moment,
but for some reason it it made me think of
poor Ella Cook at Brown University. You know, these the
the radical environment that she was living around, and we're
waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted. But I'm
(38:28):
gonna be honest, like it's hitting me. Like, you know,
the story didn't hit me as hard at first. It
felt sad and sympathy and I said a prayer for
her and her family. But as the days go on
and I sit with this, it's hitting me hard. I'm
like I'm having you know, it's hitting closer to home
because I think, but what happened to Charlie, and it
just is breaking my heart.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And uh, you know, these.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Universities, they had a lot of federal funding, they get
a lot of prop you know, they propped up and
they're you know, you're indoctrinating your your children. You're you're
playing Russian Roulette with their values. Steve Dace, we are
going to see you this weekend, my friend.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
That was a really fun conversation, Soky.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Guys, we appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
We'll see it anytime I see you tomorrow, probably you
bet God bless.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
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