December 8, 2025 • 39 mins
Indiana native Kane of Citizen Free Press rejoins the show after an extended hiatus to discuss the battle between Indiana’s MAGA voters and not-so-MAGA Republicans over redistricting. He also gives a national “vibe check” and talks about Indiana reaching #1 in college football, Notre Dame boycotting the Pop-Tarts Bowl, and more. Will Chamberlain then joins to analyze the European Union’s bid to crush online free speech with a mammoth fine against Elon Musk’s X.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right, welcome back our two of The Charlie Kirk Show,
and I am extraordinarily excited about our next guest, and
I'll tell you why, because he is a dear friend
and he has not been back on the show since
we lost Charlie, and he at various points in this
show's history, has been a regular. He even joined us
into trot and play that clip, and that of course
(01:31):
is Kine from Citizen Free Press. Very excited to have
you back on the show, my friend. Welcome back to
the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, happy to be here. Andrew. I checked, you know
on the zoom infight for this interview. It was February thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That was the last time you were on.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, that was the last time I owned so you
and I talked obviously February March April. I remember we
dm back and forth. But I was just as you know,
I got pissed off about deficits about the right in
the big Beautiful Bill, and I was having a battle
with besstt and and russ Vote and you know, and
(02:09):
so I just was negative. Man. All I would have
had to say was negative stuff about how there wasn't
enough there weren't enough spending cuts. So I just I
ducked out of the the media scene for six months
or so.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, you know, that's interesting, and Blake will remember this
as well. We kind of went through our own journey,
and Charlie went through his own journey with the Big
Beautiful Bill, and I think it really turned for him
when we had Stephen Miller on the show. It was
an extended conversation like thirty thirty five minutes, and it
went viral, you know, kind of explaining the nuances of
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the bill, why Steven Miller was in supportive. Obviously, he's
part of the administration, so you've got to assume that
he's you know, going to say supporting things. But it
was actually an incredibly compelling moment, and I remember that
that clip went viral and really helped galvanize a lot
of the basis support for that bill. But listen, we
understand everybody wanted less spending. We all want less spending,
(03:03):
we do, But go ahead, kid.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, well yeah, I was gonna say I understood Besson's
point the whole time, and I even tried to promote it,
you know, I was giving them a fair shake. And
what he was saying was basically this, you know, three hundred,
I think the spending cut number, you know, for the
first year was one hundred and fifty six billion. And
his point was, look, if we cut three hundred billion
or three fifty or four hundred billion out of discretionary,
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it's actually gonna take a one percent slice out of GDP.
And that's what he was worried about. He was saying,
give them four years, they're gonna get this right. He
was talking all about measuring it as a percentage of GDP.
So he's like, we're at seven percent. Now give us
four years, we'll get it into the threes. We'll get
it down to, you know, to where the annual deficit
is just three and a half percent of GDP. And
(03:48):
I understood his point, and I and that's what Stephen
Miller was talking about. I was just you know, as
I've told you privately, right, I right. The whole reason
I'm into politics that I got radicalized back in nineteen
eighty seven when I was working looking at CNN, was
was the national debt and that's when it crossed like
a trillion and a half or two trillion. So I
just you know, it's I have a stick up my
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butt about the debt and deficit. And that's you know,
figured somehow I got this large audience after eight years, right,
and I might as well use it. And so I
used it to just kind of drive the point that
Senator Johnson and a few others were really making about cuts.
But anyway, I'm over it. I was never against the bill,
and I made that clear on the final day that
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I fully supported it.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Anyway, whatever, And I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Get that's admirable.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
That's admirable because we do we do need people to
care about that. We can't forget about it because people
it's the thing everyone in the country loves to just
push under the rug. But the rug is getting it's
getting very elevated at this point.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
But we wanted to have you on King because what
Charlie loved talking to you about so.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Much was you.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
You have those links out there. You see what people
are clicking on, what they care about. You are incredibly
good vibes reader, as it were, And we've had a
lot of discussion this last fall about what are the
vibes on the right? Are they feeling optimistic or are
feeling downbeat? How quickly can one change can change from
the one to the other. So the floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
All that question well, here's what I would say quickly.
I would say, you know what, the base is fine there,
maybe scared Again. I'm gonna make the distinction between the
Twitter base and the base that never goes on Twitter
unless they're on a link, you know, from CFP people
who don't have Twitter accounts. So again the scared part,
why is that? Well, it's always it's always the same
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thing that we get our butts kicked in these special elections,
in these off your elections, And Charlie and I would
go through that. He would be like, chill out, Kane,
it's gonna be okay. We're gonna get turnout, you know,
in twenty twenty four and not if you were. I
mean you remember we lost what thirteenth straight of those
special elect or Democrats overperformed in thirteenth straight. So anyway,
they're scared because of that.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And I'm gonna play a clip from this was your
first public appearance with Charlie and I in Detroit at
our People's Convention last year. Let's go ahead and play
one peven.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
If we do not expand our base with new voter
registration and high turnout, we are not going to win.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
And the higher turnout the higher.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Likelihood that we are going to wines and Democrats know this,
and so we need to engage in every legal way
we possibly can to make it too big to rig
and Kane, if our elections were actually honest and secure,
what would the result end up being.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I want people to understand what Turning Point Action Turning
Point USA has been doing over the last six months
regarding chasing the vote. All right, what Andrew just talked
about the low propensity voters.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We've got to get out and register.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
At all, you know, play by the rules. We don't
like these rules.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We don't think that absentee balance are the way to
go for the future, but as long as they're part
of the system, we have to use that.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
It's a good memory. Kin, if you can hear me.
I'm not sure if you're if you're with us, or
if we're reconnecting you, but the actually you and I
reconnected recently, and I was telling you I've gotten a
bunch of emails at Freedom at Charliekirk dot com saying
where's Citizen Free Press, where's Kane?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Where is he?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
I'm now looking through some of our emails. In fact,
I think I was even we were inspired to reach
out to him again because we had we had an
email from Samantha just a few a week ago. Hey,
Blake and Andrew, has anyone checked in with Citizen Kane?
Is he doing okay? And I said, yes, we still
talk to him. He's doing well, but we actually need
to get him on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
All right.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, so this is this is a good time to
bring up the updates in Indiana. I cannot tell you
how many emails I've gotten or text from reporters about Indiana.
So we announced this last week. We had a rally
there at the state House in Indiana. And there is
a big, big fight that is brewing right now and
it's going to come to a head probably this week
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where they are going to vote on the new maps
in Indiana. So are we going to have a completely
red state, all Republican congressional districts redrawn. There's a certain
percentage of the senators in that state that have not
indicated which way they are going to vote. There is
a strong possibility. And the reason this is pertinent to
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Kin obviously is that's his home state. He's a big
Indiana Hoosier, and so they are going to reconvene Monday
afternoon to begin consideration of House Built ten thirty two,
and the redesign would likely eliminate Indiana's two Democratic held
congressional districts to create a nine zero Republican map ahead
of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
The House approved the redistricting bill as expected, on a
vote fifty seven to forty one. Twelve Republicans joined all
Democrats in opposition, but Senate President pro Tem Roderick Bray
has warned that there are not enough votes to move
that idea forward. And so what's happening in the background
here is that groups like Turning Point Action and others,
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there's a big coalition that is building informaty for me.
We are going to have congressional level spending going after
to primary these senators in Indiana to get them more
in alignment with their base voters.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The base voters in.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Indiana want this new map, Cain, I've transitioned since you've
been gone to this new redistricting map. There is a huge,
huge push going on right now.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
How do people feel about redistricting Indiana and across the country.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They're incredibly pissed off. In Indiana that the Indiana Senate
is blowing all this smoke. As you've probably mentioned, the
vote was fifty seven to forty one in the House,
Indiana House, just on Friday, right, and that was with
ten or eleven Democrats or Republicans defecting and voting with Democrats.
There's going to be hell to pay if the Indiana
Senate doesn't approve this thing. In that political article, they
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say that Mike Johnson's been making phone calls and don't
bet on this outcome yet. We may get our map.
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be hell to pay. And I talk about this. I
talked about this last week. Blake will remember that when
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you have a solidly read state that gets kind of out,
it's it's left out on an island of its own.
We're not focusing on it during a presidential year because
it's not a swing state. What happens is these incumbent
political parties and machines are able to keep existing. They
kind of just hide in the shadows, and you get
this misalignment between the base voters that are consuming content
(11:24):
at a citizen free press that are consuming content on
the show, they get misaligned with the base, voters and
the political class. And that's what you're having in Indiana
where you have these weak, squishy senators that are standing
in the way of what the base wants and there
will be held to pay.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Kaine.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, and you had and as an Indiana resident, you
had no idea this is going on, right, there's never
a test, there's how do you know that these people
are this way, that they're this squishy, that they're going
to react this way to a simple redistricting. So it
caught you know it. I think it's surprised the voters.
And look, I'm sure you mentioned it. You know, Indiana
is a big pro Trump state. It's we've been plus
(12:02):
twenty or so for the last two elections. I mean
we sent we sent Evan by packing again, you know
when he thought he could waltz back in for a
Senate seat. So anyway, this is a strong Trump state
and it's it's shocking that the you know that so
many of the state senators are this out of touch. Again,
as I sort of said before we went to break,
(12:22):
you know, calls have been made, there's been pressure that
has been applied this weekend. So you know, I'm watching
it by the hour on local TV. So we're gonna
see how the Senate, how this sort of plays out.
I think we have a chance, you know, to eliminate
and last thing I'll say before throwing it back. One
of the two Democrat seats is held by Andre Carson.
He's done nothing in his life except serve under his mom.
(12:44):
His mom, I forget her name, but she was a
congresswoman from Indianapolis for fifty years. She died like in
her eighties or nineties in the last I don't know,
let's say ten fifteen years ago. And our son has
just swooped into the into that seat, so be wonderful
to get him out of Congress.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I gotta ask you can what about this this Indiana
state Senator Michael Bohachek that says he will oppose redistricting
because Trump said the R word.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, that guy got pissed off, right, they got Trump
said retard in a true social post. And this guy
got offended because he has a son, I believe, who
has autism or some learning disability. And I understand that
on a personal level, but that's not what your job is.
His job isn't to sort of protect his family. His
job is to do the right thing for the state
of Indiana. And so you know, to me, that's completely ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Well, he's gonna be on our list here. And you
know he by the way, he recently pleaded guilty, apparently
to driving while intoxicated. He was three times Indiana's legal limit,
So there's some inconsistencies in his background. Cane, give us
an update on your traffic. How's things going at Citizen
Free Press.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well, here's an interesting peek into how media works.
When your side wins, traffic goes down. When your side loses,
traffic goes up. So when Biden won twenty twenty the
last four years, people are freaked out. They're checking noos.
They're checking my site eight times a day. Now I
get the same number of people every day, but they
check about five times. But that, in all honesty, part
(14:11):
of that is probably due to my slacking, as you know,
because you read the side every day the last six months.
You know, for the first time in nine years, I
decided not to work sixteen eighteen hours a day and
I work twelve to fourteen so there's fewer up There
have been fewer updates, but Traffick's still find I'm doing
twelve million pages a day. It's about six and a
half million people per month come on their own to
(14:33):
the homepage. So that's two percent of the populatation.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well done, massive powerhouse at System Free Press, Caine. It
feels like we're getting like the old vibes back. I'm
not kidding. I was telling the team when I walked
into the studio today, I was like, man, I feel
the vibe shift. There's like a I don't know what
it is. Maybe it's just in my head, but having
you back on feels really, really good. I hope you
will not be a stranger Kane, and that you will
(14:56):
come back more often because we need to keep the
base focused, and that's what you and Charlie did. What's
with you and me and Charlie and Blake keep the
base focus on those on the main things like Hey, redistricting,
that's a huge fight that's happening this week. You got
to contact your senators. By the way, if you want
to get involved. Tpaction dot Com Forward slash Act Indiana,
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we might I think we have that ur from last week.
You guys can find out we should put it up
on the lower banner. You can send letters to everybody
Act Indiana tpaction dot com Ford slash act Indiana. We
gotta put the pressure on these guys. But Ken, I
have to bring this topic up. It's Charlie loved college football,
so we keep talking about it because we are in
the playoff bracket period and I have to I can't
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believe that we're sitting in a situation where Indiana is
the number one team.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Where did this come from?
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I have no idea, and you knew this would be
a topic I could talk about. I've been going to
games since I was six years old. The football stadium
is a mile from my house that I grew up in,
and I rolled around on those stupid hills and rolled
around in that stadium. So for fifty some years I've
been a fan. And in what fifteen coaches all average,
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all fail. You get one guy. One guy brings in
his this philosophy that I've never heard before. Every play
has a life of its own, you know, independent of
the play before he brings it in, and they go
what We went eleven and zero last year until we
lost to Ohio State. And then, you know, anyway, it's unbelievable.
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I did not expect to win the game. In Indy.
The Town's on fire were ranked number one for the
first time in history. You know, I don't. I can't
even believe it's happening. I still, you know, I had to.
We lost thirty straight years to Ohio State, as you know,
and I want people to know. You know, when Andrew
talks about football, he was an All States safety in Nevada.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
In high school.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He could have played college safety for a bunch of schools,
so he knows football better than I do. But this
is insane. And it was insane that Indiana went to
Oregon and won. And I thought of our dear brother
Charlie then, and you know how much he loved University
of Oregon football. And it's just it's also bittersweet, but
it's exciting. And and what the heck? Where you know
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we're ranked number one? How about that?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
How about that you beat the Ohio State buck guys
in danny On, our team was in tears, but they're
still right number two. You might get a rematch here, Hey, Blake,
you're the Catholic here, notre Dame was left out, which
is a big scandal across college football. I'm sorry, do
you care?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I am angry.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I'm angry that Notre Dame is throwing a temper tantrum.
And so one they turned down the Catholics Versus Mormon ball,
but they also turned down specifically it is the pop
Tart Bowl, in which they literally sacrifice the pop tart,
They lower the mascot into the giant toaster oven, and
then they consume the mascot. Yes, and I think that's
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probably the best modern tr we have in college football.
And they're they're pooping on it. I think they're being
kind of babies, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They're in a tantrum cane.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yes, they are from from the state. First off, Blake
is one hundred percent correct about the pop tart thing.
It's this hilarious meme thing they do at this ball.
I've seen it the last few years. But yeah, they're
throwing a fit.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They had the ESPN reporter on scene yesterday and she
said people were walking the players were walking out with
their heads down. They feel like that. They called it
a forest.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
The whole deal, for people who don't know, is suddenly
Miami jumped BYU in the rankings, so they were comparing
Miami dead on with Notre Dame, and they decided in
that comparison that Miami gets the bid because Miami beat
them in the first or second game of the season,
head to head. So and that had pissed off Notre
Dame fans because in the preceding, you know, college football
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puts out the committee puts out rankings once a week
separate from AP and the coaches poll, and Notre Dame
had been ranked ahead of Miami. So they fell in
what they call a false sense of security that they
were going to get the bid. So, yeah, there's the
pop tark. Great work by your producers. Well yeah, Notre
Dame is like they're taking their ball and going home.
They're saying, if we don't get into the.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, well we're looping around.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I remember when it was only you know, they only
had the national title game and there was no playoff,
and people would complain all unfair things caused people to leap,
and we can fix this if we have a four
team playoff, and then teams didn't they'd complain about how
unfair they didn't get in the final four and now
they're like, we made twelve teams, every remotely plausible national
champion will get in, and they're still throwing a huge
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temper chantrum. And I would say, notre dame, if you
want to not throw a temper tantrum about how it's
unfair to overtake you win all your games or join
a conference that you can win and get another win
in the final week of the season.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
All right, we have to go because we're running out
of time. Citizen Free Press. You guys have to visit it,
make it your homepage. Just go there all the time.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I do.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Caine, it is so good to have you back, my friend.
It's a blast in the past and really a good vibe,
good vibe shift come back soon.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Likewise, good good send both of you, and I'm maybe
out at anthest.
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I want to play actually a clip if you guys
can find it Trump was talking about TikTok and Charlie
helping with the youth vote. So if you can find
me that clip really quick, I want to play it
because it's just it's just really sweet. So anyways, we'll
get to that clip in just a second. In the meantime,
I want to bring in Will Chamberlain. He is the
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senior counsel for the Article three projects that he works
with our good friend Mike Davis does a lot of
other things.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Will. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirkshow. It's good to
have you here.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
It's good to be with you. Longtime no see, you know,
haven't been on since before Ovis. Charlie's passing, so I
you know, hope you know, miss you guys, and obviously
wishing you very very well.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
Will.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
You've been fantastic. You've been so supportive and we really
appreciate it genuinely.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You are a legal mind.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You're working with, like we said, Mike Davis, who's a
frequent guest on this show. And there's really I think
two big stories on the legal front. Maybe you would
argue there's more, and so we can get to those
as well if we have time. But the first one,
and we've already got to the birthright citizenship in our one.
I want to revisit that with you. But the other
big one that kind of was making waves this weekend
(22:34):
is what's happening in Europe, of course, with the DSA,
the Digital Services Act, which was put in place in
twenty twenty three, and it affects I would believe censorship.
X was one of the if not the only, major
social media platform that has defied DSA and they got
a big fine of one hundred and forty million dollars
on hundred twenty million euros over the weekend that was announced.
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Elon Musk is raging about it, calling it BS but
you know, not using the acronym. What is going on
here will and what are the implications for us here
in the United States.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, so the EU Commission has fined X for one
hundred and forty million dollars. They claim that the giving
out the verified check to anybody who pays eight dollars
a month for it is deceptive. Now that's not true
because Elon Musk and X have been extremely transparent in
how they've structured the Verified program. If anything, it was
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the prior administration that was totally deceptive with how they
were handing out blue checks. It was a complete black box.
Now Elon's transparent. They're also going after Elon for refusing
to hand over X's proprietary API data so that European
researches researchers can go through it for free and figure
out what's wrong with X. All this is I think
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part of what maybe Americans have sort of are sort
of waking up to, which is that there's this discordance
between the European Union and NATO, you know, and when
European countries put on their NATO hats, they're extraordinarily grateful
for the Transalatic Alliance being under the American security umbrella.
When they put on their EU hat, they're part of
an adversarial trade block that wants to exert leverage over
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the United States and American companies. And I don't think
we should have to put up with that. And I
think that the Europeans need to make a choice whether
they prefer being under the American security umbrella or antagonizing
American companies, because we're not going to put up with both.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, well, so how does this impact American companies? Then
so all of the other social media sites, whether that
be Meta Google, they have complied. Is that right, I mean,
and what are the implications for our free speech if
that is true?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Well, there's some sites that haven't that are kind of
only based in the United States, but that hasn't stopped
European regulators from going after them. For example, I believe
it's four Chan was sent letters by Offcom, the UK's
independent regulator, trying to tell them that they needed to
start censoring speech, but that obviously would be in violation
of their First Amendment rights under the Constitution. So they're
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telling the UK to go pound sand. But it does
create this fundamental problem and in balance, where there's no
cost to these European countries going after the United States,
and that's I think that and we have to spend
a lot of money defending ourselves. So I think there's
a good lawyer by the name of Preston Burne who's
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proposed something called the Granted Act that's already been taken
up in the state of Wyoming, and we're hearing from
the Department of State that they're looking at a federal
Grantite Act. And the idea is that anytime a European
sovereignty makes a threat against an American company that would
threaten them if they don't censor their speech, they immediately
have a private right of action here in the United
States to sue that sovereignty or that company for three
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times the amount of the threat, which I think is
the right way to go. I think the European Union
is vastly overplaying its hand legally here. They are far
more dependent on access to the United States markets. They're
far more dependent on the United States security cooperation than
we are on them, and so we shouldn't and I
don't think we will put up with their continued threats
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to our free speech.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Yeah, I just want to drive home how despicable this is.
A lot of people don't realize how Europe works. So,
for example, this fine came from the European Commission. What's
the European Commission, Well, the European Union, even though they obvious,
they obviously will scream all the time about democracy, but
it's super fake. You can't in America, we can elect
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President Trump through an actual direct election. We are able
to elect our Congress. In the European Union, they have
the European Commission. And the way you get on the
European Commission is governments appoint members of it. They're the
only ones who can come up with any regulations, any
proposed laws from the European Union. No one in Europe
actually gets to vote on these directly. They just have
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the European Parliament and it gets an up or down
vote on stuff that comes from the European Commission. And
the other thing that's going on is Europe is an
economic sharp decline. They've decided it's immoral to make electric city,
it's immoral to build houses, it's immoral to really develop
any technology whatsoever, or to favor entrepreneurship. And so you
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can look this up. I encourage everyone to google this phrase.
Regulatory superpower. This is what Europe is reduced to. Well,
we have eight hundred million people, so let's become a
quote regulatory superpower where we just pass laws and we
boss people around and in this case literally shake them
down for money.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
And that's what Europe is reduced to because.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
They aren't innovative, they aren't dynamic. They're just rich because
of things that their ancestors did decades or hundreds of
years ago. And that's what we're stuck having to deal
with here. They're dependent on us for security, they're dependent
on us for innovation, and they think they can boss
around what we say on the Internet.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean, well, so diving into this DSA though,
what are the what are the dynamics, what are the
rules of it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
What are the stipulations?
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Even it seems a lot like Calvin Ball honestly, like
it's like I think it, you know, probably has some
generic prohibition on deceptive trade practices, the kind of thing
we have here, But then it gives the EU this
incredible scope to interpret what it constitutes accepted trade practice.
That doesn't look like there is a court involved in
making this decision or attemps any real due process or litigation.
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It's just the European Commission decided that Twitter's verified process
was unlawful and that's the end of that. And moreover,
the way they're doing it, I mean, they're just completely
flagrantly in violation of American speech sarist prudence here. Sorry,
Like Elon Musk gets to determine how X verifies its
users as long as he's not lying about it, the
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EU doesn't get to complain. You know, if the U
decides they want to just shut X out of its
market entirely, fine, that's great. Like it'll at least like
make it clear where we stand here, you know, like, oh,
you guys are actually antagonistic adversarial nations like China instead
of you know, supposedly friendly allied nations in a you know,
fellow inheritor of Western civilization. Okay, very well, we can
proceed on that basis. You know, the difference is China
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has a real military and you don't.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, well that's interesting. And this was near and dear
to Charlie's heart. By the way, this is one of
the themes of the last year, especially when he visited
the UK with Blake and some of the other team.
But it was it was an acknowledgment that the fundamental
relationship of our transatlantic allies, the inheritors, as you said,
of Western civilization, are finding themselves increasingly out of alignment
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about basic things like free speech. You've heard jd Vance
talk about this, Senator Mark, Senator goodness, gracious State Department
is now Marco Rubio is going after them as well
and saying there's a misalignment here and how do we
get that alignment back into a place where we can
all say, hey, you know, we can actually shake hands
and we're runing in the same direction here. So Secretary
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of State Rubio has a role to play here is
what are the levers that we can now push back
against our friends across the Atlantic.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Right, So, as I mentioned, the granted actor is a
good lever. We want to give individuals who are threatened
by European censors a private right of action here and
eliminate European sovereign immunity for lawsuits here in the United States.
So if one of these European actors decides that they
want to go after an American citizen, we can say,
you're both that you don't have any sovereign immunity and
you're personally liable, so we can go after any of
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your assets in the United States. So don't you dare.
That's so that's step one. That's sort of a protective measure.
I think step two is actually a broader recognition that
the European Union and its continued existence is actually anithetical
to American interests. The idea behind the European Union is
to create increased bargaining leverage by European countries against the
United States. And you know, again if they were you know,
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if they want to be adversarial to the United States, fine,
but then they should have to do without our military protection.
And so you know, we should see, you know, we
know that the EU isn't just hostile to America, it's
also hostile to conserve of countries within the European Union,
the way they're hostile to Hungary, hostile to poll Land,
hostile to Italy, making demands of them to accept more migrants.
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I think American policy and diplomatic policy should be to
foster and lift up those countries that are pushing back
against the European Union, to help them leave if they
want to leave, you know, to provide monetary incentives for
them to leave, and to make side deals of the
United States we should have, you know, as long until
the EU gets its act right, it makes clear that
it wants to be America's friend as opposed to America's
antagonist economically, then we should go ahead and be antagonistic
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towards them, and maybe bring Hungary and Poland and Italy
and the Czech Republic into some side alliance and allow
them to leave the EU.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Wow, Blake, your reaction to that idea is a creative
solution here.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I mean, I am basically happy with anything that restores
real European countries that reflect real European peoples as opposed
to this European Union bloated monstrosity, which it really I
know Charlie hated the word democracy, but I'm going to
apply it to Europe here. The entire point of the
European Union is to make glowbalist neoliberalism totally immune from
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actual democratic pressures. It's entirely designed to make it so
what the globalist agenda is is not able to be
stopped by anyone because it's too separated, it's too immune
from immediate voter pressure, and it's too complex for most
people to understand. And the time has come for us
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to shadow that apart. That is the European deep state.
The European deep state is not the bureaucracy of France
or Germany individually.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
It's this transnational.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Project that elites have built, and the United States has
a direct role to play in undercutting that and saying
people should have a direct influence over what their countries.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Are like yeah, well said, and I did promise this
clips I'm gonna sneak it in real quick one oh four.
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Speaker 3 (32:52):
Young people are respecting this again too. I won the
young voter. The Republicans never win the young vote. I
want it easily, and I want to thank Charlie and
I want to thank TikTok. And there are a lot
of reasons for it.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
But there's never been a Republican who won the young
and I won the very young vote, so that's a
good sign.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
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we talked about birthright citizenship. Frame up. What's going to
happen if you have to get into the legal weeds,
We get it, and why it's important.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Well, we're at the Supreme Court already, which is good,
and they took curciarrea before judgment on one of these cases,
which they don't normally do, meaning the Supreme Court thinks
it's really important. Basically, progresses are trying to pretend that
there's no debate here at all, that this is a
really simple question about the idea that if you're born
in the United States, you're a citizen unless you're like
the child of diplomats or the child of an invading army.
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But it's actually a little more complicated than that, because
the key the decision the case will turn on the
meaning of the phrase subject to the jurisdiction of the idea,
being that you're not just a citizens you're born here.
You need to be subject to the jurisdiction of the
United States, and there's a lot of really good authority
that jurisdiction requires allegiance, and it requires the permission of
the sovereign to be here. So if you're the child
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of a lawful, permanent resident, then sure you get you
get citizenship. But if you're the child of temporary visitors
or legal aliens, you aren't and you shouldn't because the
policy consequences of that are enormous and absurd. There's no
way that any rational country would want have a policy
like that that induces illegal immigration. And I think it's
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it's really you know, as much as the Left wants
to pretend that this is straightforward as anything, but and
I think, honestly, I think we're going to win this one.
I think the Supreme Court is going to come down
on the side of saying that, you know, you're not
entitled the citizenship it's a child of illegal aliens.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Well, you are the first person I think that I've
we've had on this show that has sounded a vote
of confidence. Blake is not so sure, or maybe you've
changed your opinion, Blake.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
I I just I want to I want to see
it all play out. I maybe I should be from
Missouri again, you know the show me state.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, so, Blake I want to see it succeed to
be Yeah, I was gonna say, to be very clear,
Blake is very much of the same mind.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I just think Blake is.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It is one of those weird issues where if you
go back to the framing of it and the drafting
of the amendment, it was clearly written for slaves, It
was clearly written for the children of slaves.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It was clearly debated.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And they even said when you look at the debate notes,
in the notes from the Senate that they were saying,
of course this.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Wouldn't apply to foreigners and all this stuff.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
I will say, I will say I've been very impressed
with the Trump administrations laying out of the history of
it and really getting into what its origins are.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Their argument is very impressive.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I just worry in pragmatic terms, I just don't know
if this is Supreme Court, do we have five votes
that would take the plunge on that or are we
going to have that standard thing where they say, well,
people are too dependent on how it's been interpreted for
a long time. We don't like the implications of actually
going back to what the law was clearly intended to be.
(38:53):
So we're gonna woss out on it, and we've seen
even these quite conservative leaning courts make that decision time
and time again. So I'd be very happy if they
change course.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But show me.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I've got to see it happen.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah, Will Chamberlain Article three Projects, Senior Counsel, Thank you
so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, it's great to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Yeah, good to be with you.
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I'll tell you why, because he is a dear friend
and he has not been back on the show since
we lost Charlie, and he at various points in this
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is Kine from Citizen Free Press. Very excited to have
you back on the show, my friend. Welcome back to
the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, happy to be here. Andrew. I checked, you know
on the zoom infight for this interview. It was February thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That was the last time you were on.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, that was the last time I owned so you
and I talked obviously February March April. I remember we
dm back and forth. But I was just as you know,
I got pissed off about deficits about the right in
the big Beautiful Bill, and I was having a battle
with besstt and and russ Vote and you know, and
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so I just was negative. Man. All I would have
had to say was negative stuff about how there wasn't
enough there weren't enough spending cuts. So I just I
ducked out of the the media scene for six months
or so.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, you know, that's interesting, and Blake will remember this
as well. We kind of went through our own journey,
and Charlie went through his own journey with the Big
Beautiful Bill, and I think it really turned for him
when we had Stephen Miller on the show. It was
an extended conversation like thirty thirty five minutes, and it
went viral, you know, kind of explaining the nuances of
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the bill, why Steven Miller was in supportive. Obviously, he's
part of the administration, so you've got to assume that
he's you know, going to say supporting things. But it
was actually an incredibly compelling moment, and I remember that
that clip went viral and really helped galvanize a lot
of the basis support for that bill. But listen, we
understand everybody wanted less spending. We all want less spending,
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we do, But go ahead, kid.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, well yeah, I was gonna say I understood Besson's
point the whole time, and I even tried to promote it,
you know, I was giving them a fair shake. And
what he was saying was basically this, you know, three hundred,
I think the spending cut number, you know, for the
first year was one hundred and fifty six billion. And
his point was, look, if we cut three hundred billion
or three fifty or four hundred billion out of discretionary,
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it's actually gonna take a one percent slice out of GDP.
And that's what he was worried about. He was saying,
give them four years, they're gonna get this right. He
was talking all about measuring it as a percentage of GDP.
So he's like, we're at seven percent. Now give us
four years, we'll get it into the threes. We'll get
it down to, you know, to where the annual deficit
is just three and a half percent of GDP. And
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I understood his point, and I and that's what Stephen
Miller was talking about. I was just you know, as
I've told you privately, right, I right. The whole reason
I'm into politics that I got radicalized back in nineteen
eighty seven when I was working looking at CNN, was
was the national debt and that's when it crossed like
a trillion and a half or two trillion. So I
just you know, it's I have a stick up my
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butt about the debt and deficit. And that's you know,
figured somehow I got this large audience after eight years, right,
and I might as well use it. And so I
used it to just kind of drive the point that
Senator Johnson and a few others were really making about cuts.
But anyway, I'm over it. I was never against the bill,
and I made that clear on the final day that
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I fully supported it.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Anyway, whatever, And I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Get that's admirable.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
That's admirable because we do we do need people to
care about that. We can't forget about it because people
it's the thing everyone in the country loves to just
push under the rug. But the rug is getting it's
getting very elevated at this point.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
But we wanted to have you on King because what
Charlie loved talking to you about so.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Much was you.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
You have those links out there. You see what people
are clicking on, what they care about. You are incredibly
good vibes reader, as it were, And we've had a
lot of discussion this last fall about what are the
vibes on the right? Are they feeling optimistic or are
feeling downbeat? How quickly can one change can change from
the one to the other. So the floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
All that question well, here's what I would say quickly.
I would say, you know what, the base is fine there,
maybe scared Again. I'm gonna make the distinction between the
Twitter base and the base that never goes on Twitter
unless they're on a link, you know, from CFP people
who don't have Twitter accounts. So again the scared part,
why is that? Well, it's always it's always the same
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thing that we get our butts kicked in these special elections,
in these off your elections, And Charlie and I would
go through that. He would be like, chill out, Kane,
it's gonna be okay. We're gonna get turnout, you know,
in twenty twenty four and not if you were. I
mean you remember we lost what thirteenth straight of those
special elect or Democrats overperformed in thirteenth straight. So anyway,
they're scared because of that.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And I'm gonna play a clip from this was your
first public appearance with Charlie and I in Detroit at
our People's Convention last year. Let's go ahead and play
one peven.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
If we do not expand our base with new voter
registration and high turnout, we are not going to win.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
And the higher turnout the higher.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Likelihood that we are going to wines and Democrats know this,
and so we need to engage in every legal way
we possibly can to make it too big to rig
and Kane, if our elections were actually honest and secure,
what would the result end up being.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I want people to understand what Turning Point Action Turning
Point USA has been doing over the last six months
regarding chasing the vote. All right, what Andrew just talked
about the low propensity voters.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We've got to get out and register.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
At all, you know, play by the rules. We don't
like these rules.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We don't think that absentee balance are the way to
go for the future, but as long as they're part
of the system, we have to use that.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
It's a good memory. Kin, if you can hear me.
I'm not sure if you're if you're with us, or
if we're reconnecting you, but the actually you and I
reconnected recently, and I was telling you I've gotten a
bunch of emails at Freedom at Charliekirk dot com saying
where's Citizen Free Press, where's Kane?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Where is he?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
I'm now looking through some of our emails. In fact,
I think I was even we were inspired to reach
out to him again because we had we had an
email from Samantha just a few a week ago. Hey,
Blake and Andrew, has anyone checked in with Citizen Kane?
Is he doing okay? And I said, yes, we still
talk to him. He's doing well, but we actually need
to get him on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
All right.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, so this is this is a good time to
bring up the updates in Indiana. I cannot tell you
how many emails I've gotten or text from reporters about Indiana.
So we announced this last week. We had a rally
there at the state House in Indiana. And there is
a big, big fight that is brewing right now and
it's going to come to a head probably this week
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where they are going to vote on the new maps
in Indiana. So are we going to have a completely
red state, all Republican congressional districts redrawn. There's a certain
percentage of the senators in that state that have not
indicated which way they are going to vote. There is
a strong possibility. And the reason this is pertinent to
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Kin obviously is that's his home state. He's a big
Indiana Hoosier, and so they are going to reconvene Monday
afternoon to begin consideration of House Built ten thirty two,
and the redesign would likely eliminate Indiana's two Democratic held
congressional districts to create a nine zero Republican map ahead
of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
The House approved the redistricting bill as expected, on a
vote fifty seven to forty one. Twelve Republicans joined all
Democrats in opposition, but Senate President pro Tem Roderick Bray
has warned that there are not enough votes to move
that idea forward. And so what's happening in the background
here is that groups like Turning Point Action and others,
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there's a big coalition that is building informaty for me.
We are going to have congressional level spending going after
to primary these senators in Indiana to get them more
in alignment with their base voters.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The base voters in.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Indiana want this new map, Cain, I've transitioned since you've
been gone to this new redistricting map. There is a huge,
huge push going on right now.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
How do people feel about redistricting Indiana and across the country.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They're incredibly pissed off. In Indiana that the Indiana Senate
is blowing all this smoke. As you've probably mentioned, the
vote was fifty seven to forty one in the House,
Indiana House, just on Friday, right, and that was with
ten or eleven Democrats or Republicans defecting and voting with Democrats.
There's going to be hell to pay if the Indiana
Senate doesn't approve this thing. In that political article, they
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say that Mike Johnson's been making phone calls and don't
bet on this outcome yet. We may get our map.
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you have a solidly read state that gets kind of out,
it's it's left out on an island of its own.
We're not focusing on it during a presidential year because
it's not a swing state. What happens is these incumbent
political parties and machines are able to keep existing. They
kind of just hide in the shadows, and you get
this misalignment between the base voters that are consuming content
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at a citizen free press that are consuming content on
the show, they get misaligned with the base, voters and
the political class. And that's what you're having in Indiana
where you have these weak, squishy senators that are standing
in the way of what the base wants and there
will be held to pay.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Kaine.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, and you had and as an Indiana resident, you
had no idea this is going on, right, there's never
a test, there's how do you know that these people
are this way, that they're this squishy, that they're going
to react this way to a simple redistricting. So it
caught you know it. I think it's surprised the voters.
And look, I'm sure you mentioned it. You know, Indiana
is a big pro Trump state. It's we've been plus
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twenty or so for the last two elections. I mean
we sent we sent Evan by packing again, you know
when he thought he could waltz back in for a
Senate seat. So anyway, this is a strong Trump state
and it's it's shocking that the you know that so
many of the state senators are this out of touch. Again,
as I sort of said before we went to break,
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you know, calls have been made, there's been pressure that
has been applied this weekend. So you know, I'm watching
it by the hour on local TV. So we're gonna
see how the Senate, how this sort of plays out.
I think we have a chance, you know, to eliminate
and last thing I'll say before throwing it back. One
of the two Democrat seats is held by Andre Carson.
He's done nothing in his life except serve under his mom.
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His mom, I forget her name, but she was a
congresswoman from Indianapolis for fifty years. She died like in
her eighties or nineties in the last I don't know,
let's say ten fifteen years ago. And our son has
just swooped into the into that seat, so be wonderful
to get him out of Congress.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I gotta ask you can what about this this Indiana
state Senator Michael Bohachek that says he will oppose redistricting
because Trump said the R word.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, that guy got pissed off, right, they got Trump
said retard in a true social post. And this guy
got offended because he has a son, I believe, who
has autism or some learning disability. And I understand that
on a personal level, but that's not what your job is.
His job isn't to sort of protect his family. His
job is to do the right thing for the state
of Indiana. And so you know, to me, that's completely ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Well, he's gonna be on our list here. And you
know he by the way, he recently pleaded guilty, apparently
to driving while intoxicated. He was three times Indiana's legal limit,
So there's some inconsistencies in his background. Cane, give us
an update on your traffic. How's things going at Citizen
Free Press.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well, here's an interesting peek into how media works.
When your side wins, traffic goes down. When your side loses,
traffic goes up. So when Biden won twenty twenty the
last four years, people are freaked out. They're checking noos.
They're checking my site eight times a day. Now I
get the same number of people every day, but they
check about five times. But that, in all honesty, part
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of that is probably due to my slacking, as you know,
because you read the side every day the last six months.
You know, for the first time in nine years, I
decided not to work sixteen eighteen hours a day and
I work twelve to fourteen so there's fewer up There
have been fewer updates, but Traffick's still find I'm doing
twelve million pages a day. It's about six and a
half million people per month come on their own to
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the homepage. So that's two percent of the populatation.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well done, massive powerhouse at System Free Press, Caine. It
feels like we're getting like the old vibes back. I'm
not kidding. I was telling the team when I walked
into the studio today, I was like, man, I feel
the vibe shift. There's like a I don't know what
it is. Maybe it's just in my head, but having
you back on feels really, really good. I hope you
will not be a stranger Kane, and that you will
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come back more often because we need to keep the
base focused, and that's what you and Charlie did. What's
with you and me and Charlie and Blake keep the
base focus on those on the main things like Hey, redistricting,
that's a huge fight that's happening this week. You got
to contact your senators. By the way, if you want
to get involved. Tpaction dot Com Forward slash Act Indiana,
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we might I think we have that ur from last week.
You guys can find out we should put it up
on the lower banner. You can send letters to everybody
Act Indiana tpaction dot com Ford slash act Indiana. We
gotta put the pressure on these guys. But Ken, I
have to bring this topic up. It's Charlie loved college football,
so we keep talking about it because we are in
the playoff bracket period and I have to I can't
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believe that we're sitting in a situation where Indiana is
the number one team.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Where did this come from?
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I have no idea, and you knew this would be
a topic I could talk about. I've been going to
games since I was six years old. The football stadium
is a mile from my house that I grew up in,
and I rolled around on those stupid hills and rolled
around in that stadium. So for fifty some years I've
been a fan. And in what fifteen coaches all average,
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all fail. You get one guy. One guy brings in
his this philosophy that I've never heard before. Every play
has a life of its own, you know, independent of
the play before he brings it in, and they go
what We went eleven and zero last year until we
lost to Ohio State. And then, you know, anyway, it's unbelievable.
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I did not expect to win the game. In Indy.
The Town's on fire were ranked number one for the
first time in history. You know, I don't. I can't
even believe it's happening. I still, you know, I had to.
We lost thirty straight years to Ohio State, as you know,
and I want people to know. You know, when Andrew
talks about football, he was an All States safety in Nevada.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
In high school.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He could have played college safety for a bunch of schools,
so he knows football better than I do. But this
is insane. And it was insane that Indiana went to
Oregon and won. And I thought of our dear brother
Charlie then, and you know how much he loved University
of Oregon football. And it's just it's also bittersweet, but
it's exciting. And and what the heck? Where you know
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we're ranked number one? How about that?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
How about that you beat the Ohio State buck guys
in danny On, our team was in tears, but they're
still right number two. You might get a rematch here, Hey, Blake,
you're the Catholic here, notre Dame was left out, which
is a big scandal across college football. I'm sorry, do
you care?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I am angry.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I'm angry that Notre Dame is throwing a temper tantrum.
And so one they turned down the Catholics Versus Mormon ball,
but they also turned down specifically it is the pop
Tart Bowl, in which they literally sacrifice the pop tart,
They lower the mascot into the giant toaster oven, and
then they consume the mascot. Yes, and I think that's
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probably the best modern tr we have in college football.
And they're they're pooping on it. I think they're being
kind of babies, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They're in a tantrum cane.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yes, they are from from the state. First off, Blake
is one hundred percent correct about the pop tart thing.
It's this hilarious meme thing they do at this ball.
I've seen it the last few years. But yeah, they're
throwing a fit.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They had the ESPN reporter on scene yesterday and she
said people were walking the players were walking out with
their heads down. They feel like that. They called it
a forest.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
The whole deal, for people who don't know, is suddenly
Miami jumped BYU in the rankings, so they were comparing
Miami dead on with Notre Dame, and they decided in
that comparison that Miami gets the bid because Miami beat
them in the first or second game of the season,
head to head. So and that had pissed off Notre
Dame fans because in the preceding, you know, college football
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puts out the committee puts out rankings once a week
separate from AP and the coaches poll, and Notre Dame
had been ranked ahead of Miami. So they fell in
what they call a false sense of security that they
were going to get the bid. So, yeah, there's the
pop tark. Great work by your producers. Well yeah, Notre
Dame is like they're taking their ball and going home.
They're saying, if we don't get into the.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, well we're looping around.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I remember when it was only you know, they only
had the national title game and there was no playoff,
and people would complain all unfair things caused people to leap,
and we can fix this if we have a four
team playoff, and then teams didn't they'd complain about how
unfair they didn't get in the final four and now
they're like, we made twelve teams, every remotely plausible national
champion will get in, and they're still throwing a huge
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temper chantrum. And I would say, notre dame, if you
want to not throw a temper tantrum about how it's
unfair to overtake you win all your games or join
a conference that you can win and get another win
in the final week of the season.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
All right, we have to go because we're running out
of time. Citizen Free Press. You guys have to visit it,
make it your homepage. Just go there all the time.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I do.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Caine, it is so good to have you back, my friend.
It's a blast in the past and really a good vibe,
good vibe shift come back soon.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Likewise, good good send both of you, and I'm maybe
out at anthest.
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Speaker 4 (21:26):
I want to play actually a clip if you guys
can find it Trump was talking about TikTok and Charlie
helping with the youth vote. So if you can find
me that clip really quick, I want to play it
because it's just it's just really sweet. So anyways, we'll
get to that clip in just a second. In the meantime,
I want to bring in Will Chamberlain. He is the
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senior counsel for the Article three projects that he works
with our good friend Mike Davis does a lot of
other things.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Will. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirkshow. It's good to
have you here.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
It's good to be with you. Longtime no see, you know,
haven't been on since before Ovis. Charlie's passing, so I
you know, hope you know, miss you guys, and obviously
wishing you very very well.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
Will.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
You've been fantastic. You've been so supportive and we really
appreciate it genuinely.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You are a legal mind.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You're working with, like we said, Mike Davis, who's a
frequent guest on this show. And there's really I think
two big stories on the legal front. Maybe you would
argue there's more, and so we can get to those
as well if we have time. But the first one,
and we've already got to the birthright citizenship in our one.
I want to revisit that with you. But the other
big one that kind of was making waves this weekend
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is what's happening in Europe, of course, with the DSA,
the Digital Services Act, which was put in place in
twenty twenty three, and it affects I would believe censorship.
X was one of the if not the only, major
social media platform that has defied DSA and they got
a big fine of one hundred and forty million dollars
on hundred twenty million euros over the weekend that was announced.
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Elon Musk is raging about it, calling it BS but
you know, not using the acronym. What is going on
here will and what are the implications for us here
in the United States.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, so the EU Commission has fined X for one
hundred and forty million dollars. They claim that the giving
out the verified check to anybody who pays eight dollars
a month for it is deceptive. Now that's not true
because Elon Musk and X have been extremely transparent in
how they've structured the Verified program. If anything, it was
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the prior administration that was totally deceptive with how they
were handing out blue checks. It was a complete black box.
Now Elon's transparent. They're also going after Elon for refusing
to hand over X's proprietary API data so that European
researches researchers can go through it for free and figure
out what's wrong with X. All this is I think
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part of what maybe Americans have sort of are sort
of waking up to, which is that there's this discordance
between the European Union and NATO, you know, and when
European countries put on their NATO hats, they're extraordinarily grateful
for the Transalatic Alliance being under the American security umbrella.
When they put on their EU hat, they're part of
an adversarial trade block that wants to exert leverage over
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the United States and American companies. And I don't think
we should have to put up with that. And I
think that the Europeans need to make a choice whether
they prefer being under the American security umbrella or antagonizing
American companies, because we're not going to put up with both.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, well, so how does this impact American companies? Then
so all of the other social media sites, whether that
be Meta Google, they have complied. Is that right, I mean,
and what are the implications for our free speech if
that is true?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Well, there's some sites that haven't that are kind of
only based in the United States, but that hasn't stopped
European regulators from going after them. For example, I believe
it's four Chan was sent letters by Offcom, the UK's
independent regulator, trying to tell them that they needed to
start censoring speech, but that obviously would be in violation
of their First Amendment rights under the Constitution. So they're
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telling the UK to go pound sand. But it does
create this fundamental problem and in balance, where there's no
cost to these European countries going after the United States,
and that's I think that and we have to spend
a lot of money defending ourselves. So I think there's
a good lawyer by the name of Preston Burne who's
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proposed something called the Granted Act that's already been taken
up in the state of Wyoming, and we're hearing from
the Department of State that they're looking at a federal
Grantite Act. And the idea is that anytime a European
sovereignty makes a threat against an American company that would
threaten them if they don't censor their speech, they immediately
have a private right of action here in the United
States to sue that sovereignty or that company for three
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times the amount of the threat, which I think is
the right way to go. I think the European Union
is vastly overplaying its hand legally here. They are far
more dependent on access to the United States markets. They're
far more dependent on the United States security cooperation than
we are on them, and so we shouldn't and I
don't think we will put up with their continued threats
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to our free speech.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Yeah, I just want to drive home how despicable this is.
A lot of people don't realize how Europe works. So,
for example, this fine came from the European Commission. What's
the European Commission, Well, the European Union, even though they obvious,
they obviously will scream all the time about democracy, but
it's super fake. You can't in America, we can elect
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President Trump through an actual direct election. We are able
to elect our Congress. In the European Union, they have
the European Commission. And the way you get on the
European Commission is governments appoint members of it. They're the
only ones who can come up with any regulations, any
proposed laws from the European Union. No one in Europe
actually gets to vote on these directly. They just have
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the European Parliament and it gets an up or down
vote on stuff that comes from the European Commission. And
the other thing that's going on is Europe is an
economic sharp decline. They've decided it's immoral to make electric city,
it's immoral to build houses, it's immoral to really develop
any technology whatsoever, or to favor entrepreneurship. And so you
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can look this up. I encourage everyone to google this phrase.
Regulatory superpower. This is what Europe is reduced to. Well,
we have eight hundred million people, so let's become a
quote regulatory superpower where we just pass laws and we
boss people around and in this case literally shake them
down for money.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
And that's what Europe is reduced to because.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
They aren't innovative, they aren't dynamic. They're just rich because
of things that their ancestors did decades or hundreds of
years ago. And that's what we're stuck having to deal
with here. They're dependent on us for security, they're dependent
on us for innovation, and they think they can boss
around what we say on the Internet.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean, well, so diving into this DSA though,
what are the what are the dynamics, what are the
rules of it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
What are the stipulations?
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Even it seems a lot like Calvin Ball honestly, like
it's like I think it, you know, probably has some
generic prohibition on deceptive trade practices, the kind of thing
we have here, But then it gives the EU this
incredible scope to interpret what it constitutes accepted trade practice.
That doesn't look like there is a court involved in
making this decision or attemps any real due process or litigation.
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It's just the European Commission decided that Twitter's verified process
was unlawful and that's the end of that. And moreover,
the way they're doing it, I mean, they're just completely
flagrantly in violation of American speech sarist prudence here. Sorry,
Like Elon Musk gets to determine how X verifies its
users as long as he's not lying about it, the
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EU doesn't get to complain. You know, if the U
decides they want to just shut X out of its
market entirely, fine, that's great. Like it'll at least like
make it clear where we stand here, you know, like, oh,
you guys are actually antagonistic adversarial nations like China instead
of you know, supposedly friendly allied nations in a you know,
fellow inheritor of Western civilization. Okay, very well, we can
proceed on that basis. You know, the difference is China
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has a real military and you don't.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, well that's interesting. And this was near and dear
to Charlie's heart. By the way, this is one of
the themes of the last year, especially when he visited
the UK with Blake and some of the other team.
But it was it was an acknowledgment that the fundamental
relationship of our transatlantic allies, the inheritors, as you said,
of Western civilization, are finding themselves increasingly out of alignment
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about basic things like free speech. You've heard jd Vance
talk about this, Senator Mark, Senator goodness, gracious State Department
is now Marco Rubio is going after them as well
and saying there's a misalignment here and how do we
get that alignment back into a place where we can
all say, hey, you know, we can actually shake hands
and we're runing in the same direction here. So Secretary
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of State Rubio has a role to play here is
what are the levers that we can now push back
against our friends across the Atlantic.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Right, So, as I mentioned, the granted actor is a
good lever. We want to give individuals who are threatened
by European censors a private right of action here and
eliminate European sovereign immunity for lawsuits here in the United States.
So if one of these European actors decides that they
want to go after an American citizen, we can say,
you're both that you don't have any sovereign immunity and
you're personally liable, so we can go after any of
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your assets in the United States. So don't you dare.
That's so that's step one. That's sort of a protective measure.
I think step two is actually a broader recognition that
the European Union and its continued existence is actually anithetical
to American interests. The idea behind the European Union is
to create increased bargaining leverage by European countries against the
United States. And you know, again if they were you know,
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if they want to be adversarial to the United States, fine,
but then they should have to do without our military protection.
And so you know, we should see, you know, we
know that the EU isn't just hostile to America, it's
also hostile to conserve of countries within the European Union,
the way they're hostile to Hungary, hostile to poll Land,
hostile to Italy, making demands of them to accept more migrants.
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I think American policy and diplomatic policy should be to
foster and lift up those countries that are pushing back
against the European Union, to help them leave if they
want to leave, you know, to provide monetary incentives for
them to leave, and to make side deals of the
United States we should have, you know, as long until
the EU gets its act right, it makes clear that
it wants to be America's friend as opposed to America's
antagonist economically, then we should go ahead and be antagonistic
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towards them, and maybe bring Hungary and Poland and Italy
and the Czech Republic into some side alliance and allow
them to leave the EU.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Wow, Blake, your reaction to that idea is a creative
solution here.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I mean, I am basically happy with anything that restores
real European countries that reflect real European peoples as opposed
to this European Union bloated monstrosity, which it really I
know Charlie hated the word democracy, but I'm going to
apply it to Europe here. The entire point of the
European Union is to make glowbalist neoliberalism totally immune from
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actual democratic pressures. It's entirely designed to make it so
what the globalist agenda is is not able to be
stopped by anyone because it's too separated, it's too immune
from immediate voter pressure, and it's too complex for most
people to understand. And the time has come for us
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to shadow that apart. That is the European deep state.
The European deep state is not the bureaucracy of France
or Germany individually.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
It's this transnational.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Project that elites have built, and the United States has
a direct role to play in undercutting that and saying
people should have a direct influence over what their countries.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Are like yeah, well said, and I did promise this
clips I'm gonna sneak it in real quick one oh four.
This is President Trump thanking Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Young people are respecting this again too. I won the
young voter. The Republicans never win the young vote. I
want it easily, and I want to thank Charlie and
I want to thank TikTok. And there are a lot
of reasons for it.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
But there's never been a Republican who won the young
and I won the very young vote, so that's a
good sign.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I just thought it was nice that President Trump continues
to give Charlie shoutouts. It was beautiful to see, especially
from our vantage point connection, open dialogue. These are the
things that build communities. Charlie Kirk and TikTok share in
that knowledge. That's why TikTok has built a space where
that kind of listening actually happens. People don't just post,
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they respond. They build on each other's ideas. You'll see
a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it finally clicks,
or gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop. But
what matters most is in the video, it's what comes
next someone asking a question, someone else answering with a
story of their own, and suddenly people who've never met
become a community built on curiosity. When people listen and
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understand and a shift happens, walls come down, ideas travel further,
and connection, real connection takes their place. That's what listening does.
It reminds us that we're not as different as we
may think. And that's what makes TikTok so powerful. It's
a place where every post can turn into a conversation,
and every conversation can make a difference.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Will tell us about the Article three project, how people
can follow you get involved with what you're doing.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah, so, the Article three project is a political advocacy project.
We do a lot of things to try and pressure
Congress to essentially do the push for the Trump agenda,
getting cabinet nomdies confirmed, judges confirmed, but particularly focused on
issues that touch in the judiciary. Article three. In the
namesake and the name would tell you that you can
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that to be a very very effective way to make
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it really did a lot to sway senators and move
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with all those projects. Okay, we got three minutes left here. Well,
(36:07):
we talked about birthright citizenship. Frame up. What's going to
happen if you have to get into the legal weeds,
We get it, and why it's important.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Well, we're at the Supreme Court already, which is good,
and they took curciarrea before judgment on one of these cases,
which they don't normally do, meaning the Supreme Court thinks
it's really important. Basically, progresses are trying to pretend that
there's no debate here at all, that this is a
really simple question about the idea that if you're born
in the United States, you're a citizen unless you're like
the child of diplomats or the child of an invading army.
(36:37):
But it's actually a little more complicated than that, because
the key the decision the case will turn on the
meaning of the phrase subject to the jurisdiction of the idea,
being that you're not just a citizens you're born here.
You need to be subject to the jurisdiction of the
United States, and there's a lot of really good authority
that jurisdiction requires allegiance, and it requires the permission of
the sovereign to be here. So if you're the child
(36:58):
of a lawful, permanent resident, then sure you get you
get citizenship. But if you're the child of temporary visitors
or legal aliens, you aren't and you shouldn't because the
policy consequences of that are enormous and absurd. There's no
way that any rational country would want have a policy
like that that induces illegal immigration. And I think it's
(37:20):
it's really you know, as much as the Left wants
to pretend that this is straightforward as anything, but and
I think, honestly, I think we're going to win this one.
I think the Supreme Court is going to come down
on the side of saying that, you know, you're not
entitled the citizenship it's a child of illegal aliens.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Well, you are the first person I think that I've
we've had on this show that has sounded a vote
of confidence. Blake is not so sure, or maybe you've
changed your opinion, Blake.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
I I just I want to I want to see
it all play out. I maybe I should be from
Missouri again, you know the show me state.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, so, Blake I want to see it succeed to
be Yeah, I was gonna say, to be very clear,
Blake is very much of the same mind.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I just think Blake is.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It is one of those weird issues where if you
go back to the framing of it and the drafting
of the amendment, it was clearly written for slaves, It
was clearly written for the children of slaves.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It was clearly debated.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And they even said when you look at the debate notes,
in the notes from the Senate that they were saying,
of course this.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Wouldn't apply to foreigners and all this stuff.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
I will say, I will say I've been very impressed
with the Trump administrations laying out of the history of
it and really getting into what its origins are.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Their argument is very impressive.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I just worry in pragmatic terms, I just don't know
if this is Supreme Court, do we have five votes
that would take the plunge on that or are we
going to have that standard thing where they say, well,
people are too dependent on how it's been interpreted for
a long time. We don't like the implications of actually
going back to what the law was clearly intended to be.
(38:53):
So we're gonna woss out on it, and we've seen
even these quite conservative leaning courts make that decision time
and time again. So I'd be very happy if they
change course.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But show me.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I've got to see it happen.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah, Will Chamberlain Article three Projects, Senior Counsel, Thank you
so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, it's great to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Yeah, good to be with you.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
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