December 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Who is the MAGA base's favorite member of Trump's Cabinet? How do they feel about Israel? Do they want an immigration moratorium? And most importantly: Who do they back in 2028? Rich Baris joins to dive into the straw poll of AmFest 2025, and look at what it reveals about the grassroots base one year into Trump 2.0.
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hour two is underway, and it is the hour that
everybody's been waiting for the results of our twenty twenty
five turning.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Point Action Amfest draw pole.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So this is something we do at every Amfest, and
we've got the we've got a major publication that's going
to go live with it in just a second as well.
And here to unpack what we found from this straw
pole is the one and only Rich Bars Big Data
Pole who conducted it on our behalf.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Rich welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Thanks for having me as always.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, well let's let's start.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Let's start with your your reaction, your experience at Amfest.
You were there, you you and Mark Mitchell led a
breakout just you know, thirty thousand foot view. What was
it like in there and maybe what what's the disconnect
between maybe what some people are saying.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Line versus what you experienced in person.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, first visually and I know I actually noticed to
be a fact, but visually this looked like the biggest
Amfest ever and you could see it if you've been
to an Amfest before, this one was just as a
matter of attendance and everything that was going on was huge.
It was huge. So congratulations on that. Because we're talking
(02:24):
about a massive attendance folks. And secondly, you know, the
biggest thing that'll stand out is, you know, the media
narrative and the infighting that they projected was going on
over there, and we'll see this with the results of
the Straw Pole. Yeah, people debate, and that's what turning
point has always been about. But people there, people in attendance, right,
(02:46):
and and the folks that were talking and interacting with
people agree on so much more. I mean, that's what
it comes to this, that's the biggest disconnect that the
media as usual always projects. There was a lot more
agreement than there was disagreement.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, and you so some top level marks that you
were just telling me about is so this was the
youngest straw Pole result based on just who took the poll, right,
it was. It skewed the youngest of any that we've
ever had, because you know, even we struggle sometimes rich
with getting the students to take the darn straw Pole,
this time we got lots lots Just the average age
(03:24):
of who took the poll was younger. So it's actually
going to give us a more interesting insight in some
ways about where younger Americans, younger conservative voters younger, younger
base voters where their heads are at right now. And
it was also the most response responses that we've ever
gotten at a straw pole. And what's which remarkable of
remarkable about that, Rich, is that you know, we intentionally
(03:47):
delayed this until we sent it out overnight after day
three and into day four. We wanted people to have
this full experience before we asked them these questions. So
the response rate on a relatively short term was pretty remarkable. Well,
what just explain that from a polster's perspective, Rich, Well.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Straw poles can be a bit of a polster's nightmare,
right because as the polster, you like, I want to
start early, I want to get this going, but you
also want people to have the experience before they answer
some of these questions. And honestly, it'll become very evident
when we show people some of the questions, right why
we want people to hear things first, which can be
(04:25):
challenging because for people who are taking it and the polster,
because you are now limiting yourself on the reaction time,
so we expect a certain percentage and just from experience,
we know what that is. This blew up and you
said it, and I was going to say it if
you didn't. This is the biggest America Fest st Straw
Pole ever. It's a very large sample, which means, folks,
(04:47):
it's representative, it's statistically significant. So I was over the moon,
you know, I mean as a polster, I was over
the moon when I you know, one minute you're logging in,
you're seeing the responses come in. The minute you see
an explosion. So I think too. It also tells you
that the respondents Andrew also, we're kind of hanging back
(05:08):
and saying, let me, you know, let me open it up.
I'll take what I think I can. We always give
people a little bit of time to complete it, and
then once they had the experience, they felt it was
sufficient for them. They they all filled it out almost
at once. On that last day a huge amount came in,
which was great for us, It really was. It was great.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So, you know, I'm toying with everybody wants to know
the the who do we want as our twenty twenty
eight GOP nominee.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Anybody's you know, I'm toying with delaying it, but I
think we just have to, you know, I think we
just have to review the reveal here, Rich, what is
not surprising is who won, but what is surprising is
by what margin. So you know, drum roll please, studio.
Let's go ahead and throw up image one sixty six.
(05:58):
Who does the am Fest attendees? Who do they want?
As their twenty twenty eight GOP to twenty eight And
that big old bar right at the top is, of
course jd.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Vance.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The next closest was Marco Rubio, the great Secretary of
State in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Rich, break this down.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Jd Vance is by is running away with the who
do we want as the twenty twenty eight GOP nominee.
Explained the significance of that of that graph.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And the consistency of him pulling at that level. I
don't think he ever pulled below seventy five percent, folks.
That's well over a super majority. And I will tell
you this, Like we said, just a moment ago, there
were people who were waiting back, waiting to see and
when the Vice president gave his speech, it just went
(06:50):
to that level. Never looked back. I mean, it was
you know, some people you know, sitting back. I can't
wait to see what the vice president has to say.
This has never happened, Andrew, this is never I've done
a lot of straw polls at a lot of different events,
We've done a lot of amfest ones. Right, this has
never happened. There has never been such widespread agreement over
(07:11):
because what are they really telling you when they're picking
who they want for the future nominee? Right, what is
the base? What is the turning point? Family telling you
this is the direction we want to go in the future.
This is what we want for the future of the movement,
for the future of the party. And there are you know,
the media wanted to talk about all of the different
factions in the in the coalition. Right, this is near.
(07:36):
You know, it's nearly unanimous, It's overwhelming. And we asked
a lot of other questions. It doesn't matter what the
answers for different demographic groups, how one favored other something
over the other. It doesn't matter when it comes to
this question, who do you want for your nominee? Everybody
is in agreement. There's not a single group that's disconnected
(07:56):
or has a different opinion. You know, always this is statistics.
You're always going to have marginal support for something over another. Right,
I mean That's just the way it works. This is about,
as you know, uniformity as you get close to your
informative as.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You get so just so people have the exact numbers,
it's eighty four point two percent chose jd Vance, YEP
four point eight percent, so just under five percent chose
Marco Rubio, two point nine percent chose Ron DeSantis, one
point eight percent chose Don Junior, point three percent chose
Ted Cruz, and point four percent chose Younkin.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm not sure why the orders got swipped.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Swapped there, but so that is basically the field you
know undecided was it two point five percent and that
we had three point one percent ride ins, right, So
I don't know if there was anybody worth mentioning in
the right in section rich, but that that is, you know,
the field that people most predict for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
There is something worth worth mentioning, all right, and that
is there is there are more than a few responses
for Donald J. Trump for a third term. Right, But again,
I mean you're gonna get that some and that just
shows you how much the president is loved right by
the base. But there's outside of that, you know, there's
(09:16):
a representation to libertarian wing. You get a few for
Thomas Massey and stuff like that, but it's not you know,
you can see the percentage guys collectively, what that comes to.
It's still not that much. I mean, this poll, the
results of this poll are very clear. We don't get
results like this. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Hey, Rich, have a question in the history of a
turning point straw pole that you've conducted, have we ever
seen a question like this get you know, have a
front lawn runner with this much margin of victory.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Nope, That's what I was just about to say. Especially,
I mean, could you imagine this early We did turning
point straw poles going into twenty four even and it
was a robust field. There's some pretty you know, significant
debate between who do we want Ron destand this do
we want President Trump? President Trump was always winning that,
uh and winning it overwhelmingly. But is this early particularly
(10:11):
It's not because we don't have a vision of where
other candidates would take the party, Andrew, That's not what's
going on here. It's that people do understand the differences
and in whatever you know, minor or major that may be,
they understand it. They are choosing JD Events. They're choosing
the vice president.
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Speaker 2 (11:35):
We are a mere three days out.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
From the big day. I'm very excited about that. So, Blake,
I promised you that you were going.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
To get to do the big reveal.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It is about to be about ready to be thrown up,
so I don't know, you want to take it away, Blake.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be ready by the time I get
to it.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
We were we actually ready shopping what questions to put
into the straw pole. We just did it the night
I think Saturday night. We were talking I can out
what's to put into it, and obviously we had the stuff.
We've had debates over the past year about America's relationship
with Israel, how it relates to stuff in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
We had people bring it up on stage.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It was a recurring theme in our member exclusive interviews,
so we just said throw in to the attendees, what
best describes what your view of Israel as do you
view them as our number one ally as just one
ally of many, or do you think they're not an
American ally, which some prominent figures have said. And do
we have that result ready to throw up? Yeah, let's
throw up one seventy eight. And I think the result
(12:35):
was pretty refreshing. You got you said. Thirty three percent
said it was a top our top ally, fifty three
percent went for one of many, and thirteen percent said
not an ally, which I think you mentioned. It is
the youngest group we've had at Amfest, and I think
it does put into perspective. I think one ally of
many it gets an outright majority. I think that would
(12:55):
probably describe the position Charlie was in the over the
last couple of years that they are a friendly country,
they are a country we care about, but they're not
necessarily this monomaniacal focus that we must be fixated on
to the exclusion of other potential allies.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
And I think this also shows only thirteen percent say.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Not an ally that they're hot, you know, basically at
best in neutral or perhaps even a hostile country to us.
This is a take you here, a lot online, It's
a take you here a lot on X, It's a
take some influencers really push. But I don't think it's
really it's taking over the GOP in the way that
a lot of critics have tried to argue.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah so so Rich.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
If you go online, you would be entirely surprised by
the fact that it within you know, a statistically significant
sample of the youngest and the youngest sample set that
we've ever had from an amphis strapol that thirteen point
three percent like you, if you went online, you would
think it would be.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
What do you make of this pole result and what's
your message to the GOP with this in mind?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
You know, neither Laur or I were surprised by this,
and we were thinking and comparing it to what we
see and that it really has been a trend with
the general public, not just among you know, the base
of the Republican Party. Look, the Internet is real, but
it doesn't necessarily mean that it's really representative, right, I mean,
that's the difference. People have to keep reminding themselves when
(14:24):
they see these narrative wars and these pushes online. This
is basically representative too of what we heard walking around
and talking to people. I mean, Andrew and same thing
with winning the mid terms. By the way, that was
the number one question I got walking around talking with
different people. They would say, oh, this is you know,
great and I understand the debate, but we really, you know,
what can we do to win? We want to win.
(14:45):
That was overwhelming, well, just walking around the place, so
a lot of this didn't surprise me. I do think though,
that it is a bit of a wake up call
to you know, the older guard of the GOP who
are used to they've become there's an expectation, you know
that Israel will get a always you know, like a
(15:06):
bit of a privileged or special place in the conversation,
and that's not where the future really sees our you know,
uh when it comes to you know, where we prioritize
our public, our foreign policy. That's just not the future
that people see, especially among younger people. So not something
(15:27):
they'll have to come to grip with it. But it
doesn't mean there's this outward hatred or anti Semitism. It's
just like, hey, look, we have been put last for
a very long time. We just want to be put first,
and we don't really think that, you know, questioning the
old Orthodoxy or the right is a bad thing, and
(15:47):
I'm not necessarily sure it is myself, Andrew, you know,
to be.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Honest, No, no, totally, I share some of that. I
think you you articulated it well. And in our one Rich,
I said, you know what's interesting about Amfest and turning
point these conferences, we're looking to define the dominant core
of a winning coalition, right right, the dominant center cut
and so you're gonna get these really loud voices that
(16:11):
want us to be anti Asrie.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You're gonna get these really loud.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Voices that want us to, you know, essentially say that
Israel is the most important topic. You know that there is,
because it's a proxy war for other things whatever. What
we found here is that, you know what I my
my takeaway from this pole, Rich, was that maybe a
couple of years ago, maybe five ten before October twenty
twenty three, October seventh, that you maybe would have seen
(16:34):
that chunk that said it's our top ally be a
little larger. And where it looks like the consensus of
the movement is really going is that hey, Israel is
an ally and they're but they're one of many, and
so let's just put our own country first. I think
that is the new consensus that is emerging on the right,
and that's an important insight to glean from this.
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Speaker 3 (18:07):
Without further Ado Rich, we got to get to these
these other these other polls. Okay, these other pole questions,
and I think they're really important. So we've already kind
of mentioned what are the most important topics for people.
Blake kind of already did the big reveal one sixty five.
(18:27):
The winning the midterms is the most important by far.
Let's go ahead and show that image one sixty five.
All right, see how much it stands out. It's like,
you know, it's a sore thumb right there. It is
by far and away the number one topic. And to
Blake's point, it kind of had me wishing we wouldn't
have have done that, just so we could have seen
(18:48):
what the other ones. But what we see behind it
are voter integrity, voter idea at nine point three percent,
the affordability crisis, which I'm not surprised at at eight
point one percent, Mass deportations five point three percent, accountability
for deep state law fair at four point two percent,
rounding out the top five issues.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
In the midterm.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah, go ahead, Blake that ending the war in Ukraine
dead last. I think, what is that point four percent?
It's well under one percent.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And yeah, I noticed that too. Ending the war in
Ukraine is the last. Is the last, I think, because
we're not sending the money like we used to be.
I mean, that's what really I think brought it home
for people, is it felt like we're in these we're
running these huge deficits, We've got this huge tax burden,
the economy sucks, and we're spending all our money on
a war, you know, abroad to fight Putin.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And that's what made it. Yeah, go ahead, Rich.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, I was just gonna say, I think it's indicative
of two things. One is how many problems people think
that we have. Right that has to get before that,
because I don't think there's much support out there for
the Ukraine war anymore. And then two is I do
think and I'm just from speaking to people about this,
I think everybody pretty much sees the ends and so
it's really kind of only a matter of time. Among
(20:03):
the base anyway, they definitely do. Whereas you know, the public,
that's a little bit that would be a different result
if we were pulling the general public. But uh, as
far as that, you know, not adding the winning the
mid terms, I do hear what you guys are saying.
But in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I
think I am glad we did this way because it
(20:24):
does show that despite again what the media narrative was
or was trying to spin, at the end of the day,
like the turning point family wants to win, despite everything
that they tried to showcase. Is the vision they want
to win and the number The reason for that is
simple because they know what's Unlike maybe some of the
(20:44):
middle of the country, middle of the road and the
and and less you know, politically active, you know, parts
of our coalition, they don't understand what's going to happen
if Democrats win, you know, I mean, that's what it
comes down to. While the base does they know what
what you know, what kind of turbulence if that's even
the appropriate word. We're in for you know what's on
(21:06):
the horizon there with.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, people get it, Yeah, they get it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Let's go ahead and throw this one, I thought was
really really surprise me actually, and this was the what
are the biggest threats facing the country? Let's go ahead
and throw up one point sixty four biggest threats facing
America right now and up at the top. Now, this
was a rank order poll, so people could go one
(21:32):
through whatever the number was, and by far radical Islam.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Rich did this surprise you?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Radical Islams, Socialism, Marxism is number two, Mass migration number three.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, you know what, it did a little.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
But then when I was looking at it, I thought this,
the first two that really are at the top of
the rank distribution are ideologies that the base feels are
just not compatible with the American ideal, the American way
of life. And then everything else kind of is stem Yes,
there are problems, there are social problems, they're economic problems,
(22:08):
but if we could tackle this other thing first, which
is that fundamentally we've been letting in a lot of
people who are not really compatible or not you know that,
and some of those other problems are stemming from that.
So yeah, I mean, I did see where they were
where they were coming from with this, and then when
after you get past rank two into rank three through five,
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we start to see, you know, those other you know,
more traditional things that we would expect people to say. So,
you know, given that of course large faith based, you know,
obviously this is a where there's a population that is
extremely Christian, so they're extremely pro America, extremely nationalists, so
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they're looking at some of these ideas that over in
the long term. Andrew, it's almost like some of the
other things are just symptoms to a greater problem, and
we have to deal with the greater problem.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Blake, what's your take on the top five here?
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Number one is just a big testament frankly to Charlie,
who was really fixated on that topic in the last
few months of his life. He talked about it a lot,
and I think he deserves some credit for really bringing
it back. In some ways, you could say it feels
like a time warp to two thousand and two or something,
and then we went through a pretty long period where
it was more in the background. Yet it still remains
(23:27):
a concern. And the reason it's a concern is because
of issue number three mass migration. We still we went
to fight them over there so that we could then
import them over here and then have to fight them
here again. And Charlie really saw that when he was
in the UK, he was really becoming concerned. It was
hitting him We're going to have this very large, often
(23:47):
very radical Islamic component to Western societies that just did
not exist before.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
And I think he really did a lot of work
to spread that awareness among the base. Besides that, I
think it's really interesting that corrupt courts, so to speak,
has broke.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Into the top five.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
That's expressing this realization that the biggest obstacle to a
lot of President Trump's core agenda, certainly on mass deportations
or DEI, is this fact there's just judges who seem
to have really taken it to heart that even if
they have no legal basis, no constitutional basis for what
they're doing, they can gum up the process for years
(24:32):
on end.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
They have.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
If you need the Supreme Court to step in for
anything the president wants to do, you can really slow
down the agenda in a big way.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I was most surprised.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Besides, I was really surprised that low fertility finished second
from last. That was a big topic Charlie's talked about.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's a big thing.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
A lot of people have talked about the need to
revive the American family, the need for people to have
more kids. But we didn't successfully get it out of
the base on this pole. It was right there, just
only above technology and AI as a concern for America.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Can I can I just add something to that real quick,
because I was too I was stunned by that. And
then I remembered that Benny gave this blockbuster speech and
on the big screen he threw up this graph showing
a recovery and fertility rates, especially among right Christians in general.
And I thought, I hope that didn't impact that because
(25:29):
it showed it showed that there has been a lot
of improvement in recent years as opposed to what was
really and I still believe is an existential threat to
our culture, to our way of life, to our you know,
being able to imperpetuity continue the American experience. So I
(25:49):
thought about it, and I said, well, there was that,
and that speech was attended. That was a that was
a bar. He really he lit the house on fire
with that is great, but I wonder if that didn't
have something you do with it, or people in general
aren't thinking that we're making more progress with it. But
like Blake, I think, and that's something that you know,
myself included. I mean, we need to keep an eye
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on because you know, while there has been progress, it's
not nearly enough.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I want to go to another one here, Rich, and
this is this was a fascinating one pick for your
approval rating of various members of the Trump cabinet. And
I think some people might be surprised at who came
out on top. You know, I thought for sure it
was gonna be Secretary Rubio. But let's go ahead and
throw up one sixty three. And the way that walk
(26:36):
with the audience through Rich, how you had people answer
this question.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So it was basically the same way that a polster
will ask about the approval for the president, only this
we said, look, we want to ask about the cabinet
members one by one, tell us whether you approve or disapprove,
and of course gave them the answer to the the
option for strongly somewhat. And can I just go ahead,
Oh so I can just go ahead and say, look,
Secretary Pete blew it away eighty three percent who strongly
(27:03):
approve of the job that he's doing. I mean overall,
with the exception of a few here and there, Pam
Bondi stands out. Others are just not as well known, right,
and they're not in the public light as much like
Doug Bargum for instance. They for the exception of a few,
the cabinet members are doing well. RFK did extremely well,
Robert Kennedy June extremely I mean incredible, but heg Sath
(27:27):
definitely came out on top here. Secretary of Rubio did
strong as well, but strongly approved for him was seventy
nine percent. But it really does come out, you know.
I think it's the fighting spirit Andrew. You know, when
the media comes after him and says we're gonna, we're
gonna if this is a war crime, we're gonna impeach
you for this, he says, yeah, and I'm gonna smoke
another narco terrorist in this guy. You got. The base
(27:50):
wants their leaders to fight, They want their leaders to
fight for them, they want them to fight back. And
Pete Hegseye fights back.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, yeah, I mean that's exactly right. You know who
surprised me on this as well. Was and I was
I was looking was Secretary Christy Nome, Department of Homeland Security.
I actually thought she performed extraordinarily well in this poll,
and I had been hearing that maybe she wouldn't perform
as well in this poll. So she got seventy two
(28:19):
point eight percent strongly approved, seventeen point three percent somewhat approve. Right,
And so that people love deportations, Rich, they love the deportations.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's what it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Comes down to. And I was thinking much along the
lines of what you just said. But she's a part
of what people see to be Trump's biggest success or
are part of that entire issue.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And on that note, Yeah, Rich, why don't we just
throw it throw it up the one point sixty nine
Trump two point zero biggest accomplishments. We have a minute
left in this segment, and it's deportations and securing the border.
I mean one and two, those are the things people
are most happy about.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, it's overwhelming. And you know what, on this note,
and I know we're getting close to the end of
the segment. On this note, the administration is starting to
do a better job of reminding the American people about
this accomplishment. The base knows, the base is giving him
credit for it. He's got to do a little bit better.
They know that it's good that he's trying, because unfortunately,
it's a sad testament to the American voter. When you
(29:24):
fix a problem, they forget and you have to constantly
remind them that remember what it was. The President did
that in his speech the other the primetime speech, by
the way, and that was the right move.
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Speaker 3 (30:31):
Uh Rich you your lovely wife gave you an insight
on that fertility rate thing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What was the point there?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, the point was a lot of after you got
pasted that, you know, first and second tier, A lot
of it was about affordability. And maybe people you know
are worried or concerned about being able to afford to
have a lot of children, right or other people's ability
to have other children, So you put that stuff first
in your mind when you're considering, you know, these as priorities.
(30:57):
And I hadn't thought about that point, but it's probably
some of that has to do with it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, I think you're right. I think affordability.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I mean, also, you know the thing that occurs to
me in that particular venue with those particular people, there's
so many babies and kids running around, you know, like
probably those most people think, you know, we're gonna have
a lot of babies.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's not our top concern, So that's my other theory
on that.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And we have the most responded to youngest by with
average age of the respondent. Straphole that we are unpacking
with Big Dada Pole, Rich Barris, the polster that conducted
the pole on our behalf, and this one Rich, I
think I'm just gonna say at backstage, I had a
conversation with a very important person that we're mapping out
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twenty twenty six in the midterms, and I'm telling you,
you know, you've got this issue of base fatigue or
maybe lack of enthusiasm, whatever it is. We saw this
with some of the special elections we struggle in off years.
The question is how do you get people energetic? And
I looked at the early results on this question, this
next one, and I said, I'm telling you, I know
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people are terrified of it. I know that the rank
and file Republican in DC is terrified of it. The
base wants this. If you want to drive base turnout,
lean into this issue. Find a way to thread the
needle so you don't freak out. You know, the people
you know that are in these contested elections, I'm sure,
but I'm telling you so will drive turnout. I think
it's a winner even amongst some Democrats that don't want
(32:24):
to even admit it, or Independents that don't want to
admit it. They don't necessarily want to say it out loud.
We asked the question, Rich, would you support an immigration moratorium?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Go up and go ahead and.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Throw up one sixty eight. This did way better than
even I anticipated one sixty eight. Look at that number.
The p ninety of the attendees at America Fest, which
again is these are the grassroots. This is like the plumbers,
the electricians. These are everyday people that attend this and
lots of students they want in immigration moratorium.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Now, I am not naive.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I know that the Republicans in Congress are not ready
to tackle this issue. I strongly encourage you to reconsider
your appetite for this issue ahead of the midterms.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Rich, what's your takeaway here?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, I would say suck it up, Buttercup. I mean,
if you remember when President Trump posted that he would
do the moratorium, we actually pulled that even nationally and
it did extremely well. That was right before Tennessee the
special election in Tennessee seven and if you remember Emerson
had of poll was very close it was only two points.
And then I came on the show to tell you
(33:34):
that once he did that, how much extremely enthusiastic and
certainty to vote jumped by double digits. And I do
attribute that larger margin than some people expected to have
come from giving him a little bit of a shot,
a wake up call to the base, wake up call
to the voters. This is popular. Not only is it popular,
I mean look at some of the other questions. You know,
(33:55):
mass migration is viewed as an existential threat to people.
So to have this as a backbone issue which you
can then deliver an economic message out of right, like
so many of our problems come from this, this immigration
issue basically being broken since heartseller right, So this is
a gold mine Andrew a gold mine. So I mean
(34:17):
strongly suggest I would tell them you got to do it,
you want to win, do it, lean into it, make
it the case.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Oh sorry, yeah, it's just yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I honestly, when I saw it get ninety percent, the
first question that came to mind was do they all
know what a moratorium?
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Miss? Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
But yeah, because listen, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
It shows the energy for the base, because in practice,
would a full moratory would it really have ninety percent support.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I kind of liked the idea, but I'm also I
realized that would be pretty dramatic for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
But I think it shows the energy on this.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
It shows how people are enthusiastic to see a sea
change on immigration.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
That there's really.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Been an expansion of what people see is possible in
American politics. Oh, you actually can secure your border. You
actually can support people, especially criminals, people who hate America
and so on, and so people are also entertaining, Oh,
you actually can stop You don't need to let people
into your country necessarily, that that's a choice that you
(35:27):
can make.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
You've also had horrific scandals lately, right, that highlighted some
of these right in Minnesota, and there are others, Right,
They haven't gotten as much media attention, but people are
seeing this, you know, when they open up their social media,
they are seeing this. And again, we did pull a
very similar question nationally and it got fifty five percent support. So,
(35:48):
you know, I think that people are at a point
where they understand that this thing has been kind of
like a runaway you know car for years. Somebody's got
to pump the brake until we figure out what it
is we until we get our hands on what has
happened and what needs to happen going forward, because we
just how much more of this can we take?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
How much more of this.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Can we take? Well?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Rich, thank you for partnering with us and turning point action,
getting this poll done, this drop hoole done, and I
think the results are wonderfully revealing about where again, that
core center winning coalition is ideologically, where they're at on
the issues, where they're out on Trump, where they're aut
on vance, where they're out on the cabinet. Well done,
my friend, and thank you for joining us for this hour.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Thank you, and Merry Christmas, guys, all.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
The Christmas Rich, Merry Christmas to all of you as
well out there.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
We'll see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hour two is underway, and it is the hour that
everybody's been waiting for the results of our twenty twenty
five turning.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Point Action Amfest draw pole.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So this is something we do at every Amfest, and
we've got the we've got a major publication that's going
to go live with it in just a second as well.
And here to unpack what we found from this straw
pole is the one and only Rich Bars Big Data
Pole who conducted it on our behalf.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Rich welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Thanks for having me as always.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, well let's let's start.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Let's start with your your reaction, your experience at Amfest.
You were there, you you and Mark Mitchell led a
breakout just you know, thirty thousand foot view. What was
it like in there and maybe what what's the disconnect
between maybe what some people are saying.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Line versus what you experienced in person.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, first visually and I know I actually noticed to
be a fact, but visually this looked like the biggest
Amfest ever and you could see it if you've been
to an Amfest before, this one was just as a
matter of attendance and everything that was going on was huge.
It was huge. So congratulations on that. Because we're talking
(02:24):
about a massive attendance folks. And secondly, you know, the
biggest thing that'll stand out is, you know, the media
narrative and the infighting that they projected was going on
over there, and we'll see this with the results of
the Straw Pole. Yeah, people debate, and that's what turning
point has always been about. But people there, people in attendance, right,
(02:46):
and and the folks that were talking and interacting with
people agree on so much more. I mean, that's what
it comes to this, that's the biggest disconnect that the
media as usual always projects. There was a lot more
agreement than there was disagreement.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, and you so some top level marks that you
were just telling me about is so this was the
youngest straw Pole result based on just who took the poll, right,
it was. It skewed the youngest of any that we've
ever had, because you know, even we struggle sometimes rich
with getting the students to take the darn straw Pole,
this time we got lots lots Just the average age
(03:24):
of who took the poll was younger. So it's actually
going to give us a more interesting insight in some
ways about where younger Americans, younger conservative voters younger, younger
base voters where their heads are at right now. And
it was also the most response responses that we've ever
gotten at a straw pole. And what's which remarkable of
remarkable about that, Rich, is that you know, we intentionally
(03:47):
delayed this until we sent it out overnight after day
three and into day four. We wanted people to have
this full experience before we asked them these questions. So
the response rate on a relatively short term was pretty remarkable. Well,
what just explain that from a polster's perspective, Rich, Well.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Straw poles can be a bit of a polster's nightmare,
right because as the polster, you like, I want to
start early, I want to get this going, but you
also want people to have the experience before they answer
some of these questions. And honestly, it'll become very evident
when we show people some of the questions, right why
we want people to hear things first, which can be
(04:25):
challenging because for people who are taking it and the polster,
because you are now limiting yourself on the reaction time,
so we expect a certain percentage and just from experience,
we know what that is. This blew up and you
said it, and I was going to say it if
you didn't. This is the biggest America Fest st Straw
Pole ever. It's a very large sample, which means, folks,
(04:47):
it's representative, it's statistically significant. So I was over the moon,
you know, I mean as a polster, I was over
the moon when I you know, one minute you're logging in,
you're seeing the responses come in. The minute you see
an explosion. So I think too. It also tells you
that the respondents Andrew also, we're kind of hanging back
(05:08):
and saying, let me, you know, let me open it up.
I'll take what I think I can. We always give
people a little bit of time to complete it, and
then once they had the experience, they felt it was
sufficient for them. They they all filled it out almost
at once. On that last day a huge amount came in,
which was great for us, It really was. It was great.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So, you know, I'm toying with everybody wants to know
the the who do we want as our twenty twenty
eight GOP nominee.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Anybody's you know, I'm toying with delaying it, but I
think we just have to, you know, I think we
just have to review the reveal here, Rich, what is
not surprising is who won, but what is surprising is
by what margin. So you know, drum roll please, studio.
Let's go ahead and throw up image one sixty six.
(05:58):
Who does the am Fest attendees? Who do they want?
As their twenty twenty eight GOP to twenty eight And
that big old bar right at the top is, of
course jd.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Vance.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The next closest was Marco Rubio, the great Secretary of
State in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Rich, break this down.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Jd Vance is by is running away with the who
do we want as the twenty twenty eight GOP nominee.
Explained the significance of that of that graph.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And the consistency of him pulling at that level. I
don't think he ever pulled below seventy five percent, folks.
That's well over a super majority. And I will tell
you this, Like we said, just a moment ago, there
were people who were waiting back, waiting to see and
when the Vice president gave his speech, it just went
(06:50):
to that level. Never looked back. I mean, it was
you know, some people you know, sitting back. I can't
wait to see what the vice president has to say.
This has never happened, Andrew, this is never I've done
a lot of straw polls at a lot of different events,
We've done a lot of amfest ones. Right, this has
never happened. There has never been such widespread agreement over
(07:11):
because what are they really telling you when they're picking
who they want for the future nominee? Right, what is
the base? What is the turning point? Family telling you
this is the direction we want to go in the future.
This is what we want for the future of the movement,
for the future of the party. And there are you know,
the media wanted to talk about all of the different
factions in the in the coalition. Right, this is near.
(07:36):
You know, it's nearly unanimous, It's overwhelming. And we asked
a lot of other questions. It doesn't matter what the
answers for different demographic groups, how one favored other something
over the other. It doesn't matter when it comes to
this question, who do you want for your nominee? Everybody
is in agreement. There's not a single group that's disconnected
(07:56):
or has a different opinion. You know, always this is statistics.
You're always going to have marginal support for something over another. Right,
I mean That's just the way it works. This is about,
as you know, uniformity as you get close to your
informative as.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You get so just so people have the exact numbers,
it's eighty four point two percent chose jd Vance, YEP
four point eight percent, so just under five percent chose
Marco Rubio, two point nine percent chose Ron DeSantis, one
point eight percent chose Don Junior, point three percent chose
Ted Cruz, and point four percent chose Younkin.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm not sure why the orders got swipped.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Swapped there, but so that is basically the field you
know undecided was it two point five percent and that
we had three point one percent ride ins, right, So
I don't know if there was anybody worth mentioning in
the right in section rich, but that that is, you know,
the field that people most predict for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
There is something worth worth mentioning, all right, and that
is there is there are more than a few responses
for Donald J. Trump for a third term. Right, But again,
I mean you're gonna get that some and that just
shows you how much the president is loved right by
the base. But there's outside of that, you know, there's
(09:16):
a representation to libertarian wing. You get a few for
Thomas Massey and stuff like that, but it's not you know,
you can see the percentage guys collectively, what that comes to.
It's still not that much. I mean, this poll, the
results of this poll are very clear. We don't get
results like this. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Hey, Rich, have a question in the history of a
turning point straw pole that you've conducted, have we ever
seen a question like this get you know, have a
front lawn runner with this much margin of victory.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Nope, That's what I was just about to say. Especially,
I mean, could you imagine this early We did turning
point straw poles going into twenty four even and it
was a robust field. There's some pretty you know, significant
debate between who do we want Ron destand this do
we want President Trump? President Trump was always winning that,
uh and winning it overwhelmingly. But is this early particularly
(10:11):
It's not because we don't have a vision of where
other candidates would take the party, Andrew, That's not what's
going on here. It's that people do understand the differences
and in whatever you know, minor or major that may be,
they understand it. They are choosing JD Events. They're choosing
the vice president.
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Speaker 2 (11:35):
We are a mere three days out.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
From the big day. I'm very excited about that. So, Blake,
I promised you that you were going.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
To get to do the big reveal.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It is about to be about ready to be thrown up,
so I don't know, you want to take it away, Blake.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be ready by the time I get
to it.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
We were we actually ready shopping what questions to put
into the straw pole. We just did it the night
I think Saturday night. We were talking I can out
what's to put into it, and obviously we had the stuff.
We've had debates over the past year about America's relationship
with Israel, how it relates to stuff in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
We had people bring it up on stage.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It was a recurring theme in our member exclusive interviews,
so we just said throw in to the attendees, what
best describes what your view of Israel as do you
view them as our number one ally as just one
ally of many, or do you think they're not an
American ally, which some prominent figures have said. And do
we have that result ready to throw up? Yeah, let's
throw up one seventy eight. And I think the result
(12:35):
was pretty refreshing. You got you said. Thirty three percent
said it was a top our top ally, fifty three
percent went for one of many, and thirteen percent said
not an ally, which I think you mentioned. It is
the youngest group we've had at Amfest, and I think
it does put into perspective. I think one ally of
many it gets an outright majority. I think that would
(12:55):
probably describe the position Charlie was in the over the
last couple of years that they are a friendly country,
they are a country we care about, but they're not
necessarily this monomaniacal focus that we must be fixated on
to the exclusion of other potential allies.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
And I think this also shows only thirteen percent say.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Not an ally that they're hot, you know, basically at
best in neutral or perhaps even a hostile country to us.
This is a take you here, a lot online, It's
a take you here a lot on X, It's a
take some influencers really push. But I don't think it's
really it's taking over the GOP in the way that
a lot of critics have tried to argue.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah so so Rich.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
If you go online, you would be entirely surprised by
the fact that it within you know, a statistically significant
sample of the youngest and the youngest sample set that
we've ever had from an amphis strapol that thirteen point
three percent like you, if you went online, you would
think it would be.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
What do you make of this pole result and what's
your message to the GOP with this in mind?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
You know, neither Laur or I were surprised by this,
and we were thinking and comparing it to what we
see and that it really has been a trend with
the general public, not just among you know, the base
of the Republican Party. Look, the Internet is real, but
it doesn't necessarily mean that it's really representative, right, I mean,
that's the difference. People have to keep reminding themselves when
(14:24):
they see these narrative wars and these pushes online. This
is basically representative too of what we heard walking around
and talking to people. I mean, Andrew and same thing
with winning the mid terms. By the way, that was
the number one question I got walking around talking with
different people. They would say, oh, this is you know,
great and I understand the debate, but we really, you know,
what can we do to win? We want to win.
(14:45):
That was overwhelming, well, just walking around the place, so
a lot of this didn't surprise me. I do think though,
that it is a bit of a wake up call
to you know, the older guard of the GOP who
are used to they've become there's an expectation, you know
that Israel will get a always you know, like a
(15:06):
bit of a privileged or special place in the conversation,
and that's not where the future really sees our you know,
uh when it comes to you know, where we prioritize
our public, our foreign policy. That's just not the future
that people see, especially among younger people. So not something
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they'll have to come to grip with it. But it
doesn't mean there's this outward hatred or anti Semitism. It's
just like, hey, look, we have been put last for
a very long time. We just want to be put first,
and we don't really think that, you know, questioning the
old Orthodoxy or the right is a bad thing, and
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I'm not necessarily sure it is myself, Andrew, you know,
to be.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Honest, No, no, totally, I share some of that. I
think you you articulated it well. And in our one Rich,
I said, you know what's interesting about Amfest and turning
point these conferences, we're looking to define the dominant core
of a winning coalition, right right, the dominant center cut
and so you're gonna get these really loud voices that
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want us to be anti Asrie.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You're gonna get these really loud.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Voices that want us to, you know, essentially say that
Israel is the most important topic. You know that there is,
because it's a proxy war for other things whatever. What
we found here is that, you know what I my
my takeaway from this pole, Rich, was that maybe a
couple of years ago, maybe five ten before October twenty
twenty three, October seventh, that you maybe would have seen
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that chunk that said it's our top ally be a
little larger. And where it looks like the consensus of
the movement is really going is that hey, Israel is
an ally and they're but they're one of many, and
so let's just put our own country first. I think
that is the new consensus that is emerging on the right,
and that's an important insight to glean from this.
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Speaker 3 (18:07):
Without further Ado Rich, we got to get to these
these other these other polls. Okay, these other pole questions,
and I think they're really important. So we've already kind
of mentioned what are the most important topics for people.
Blake kind of already did the big reveal one sixty five.
(18:27):
The winning the midterms is the most important by far.
Let's go ahead and show that image one sixty five.
All right, see how much it stands out. It's like,
you know, it's a sore thumb right there. It is
by far and away the number one topic. And to
Blake's point, it kind of had me wishing we wouldn't
have have done that, just so we could have seen
(18:48):
what the other ones. But what we see behind it
are voter integrity, voter idea at nine point three percent,
the affordability crisis, which I'm not surprised at at eight
point one percent, Mass deportations five point three percent, accountability
for deep state law fair at four point two percent,
rounding out the top five issues.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
In the midterm.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah, go ahead, Blake that ending the war in Ukraine
dead last. I think, what is that point four percent?
It's well under one percent.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And yeah, I noticed that too. Ending the war in
Ukraine is the last. Is the last, I think, because
we're not sending the money like we used to be.
I mean, that's what really I think brought it home
for people, is it felt like we're in these we're
running these huge deficits, We've got this huge tax burden,
the economy sucks, and we're spending all our money on
a war, you know, abroad to fight Putin.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And that's what made it. Yeah, go ahead, Rich.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, I was just gonna say, I think it's indicative
of two things. One is how many problems people think
that we have. Right that has to get before that,
because I don't think there's much support out there for
the Ukraine war anymore. And then two is I do
think and I'm just from speaking to people about this,
I think everybody pretty much sees the ends and so
it's really kind of only a matter of time. Among
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the base anyway, they definitely do. Whereas you know, the public,
that's a little bit that would be a different result
if we were pulling the general public. But uh, as
far as that, you know, not adding the winning the
mid terms, I do hear what you guys are saying.
But in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I
think I am glad we did this way because it
(20:24):
does show that despite again what the media narrative was
or was trying to spin, at the end of the day,
like the turning point family wants to win, despite everything
that they tried to showcase. Is the vision they want
to win and the number The reason for that is
simple because they know what's Unlike maybe some of the
(20:44):
middle of the country, middle of the road and the
and and less you know, politically active, you know, parts
of our coalition, they don't understand what's going to happen
if Democrats win, you know, I mean, that's what it
comes down to. While the base does they know what
what you know, what kind of turbulence if that's even
the appropriate word. We're in for you know what's on
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the horizon there with.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, people get it, Yeah, they get it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Let's go ahead and throw this one, I thought was
really really surprise me actually, and this was the what
are the biggest threats facing the country? Let's go ahead
and throw up one point sixty four biggest threats facing
America right now and up at the top. Now, this
was a rank order poll, so people could go one
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through whatever the number was, and by far radical Islam.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Rich did this surprise you?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Radical Islams, Socialism, Marxism is number two, Mass migration number three.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, you know what, it did a little.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
But then when I was looking at it, I thought this,
the first two that really are at the top of
the rank distribution are ideologies that the base feels are
just not compatible with the American ideal, the American way
of life. And then everything else kind of is stem Yes,
there are problems, there are social problems, they're economic problems,
(22:08):
but if we could tackle this other thing first, which
is that fundamentally we've been letting in a lot of
people who are not really compatible or not you know that,
and some of those other problems are stemming from that.
So yeah, I mean, I did see where they were
where they were coming from with this, and then when
after you get past rank two into rank three through five,
(22:30):
we start to see, you know, those other you know,
more traditional things that we would expect people to say. So,
you know, given that of course large faith based, you know,
obviously this is a where there's a population that is
extremely Christian, so they're extremely pro America, extremely nationalists, so
(22:51):
they're looking at some of these ideas that over in
the long term. Andrew, it's almost like some of the
other things are just symptoms to a greater problem, and
we have to deal with the greater problem.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Blake, what's your take on the top five here?
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Number one is just a big testament frankly to Charlie,
who was really fixated on that topic in the last
few months of his life. He talked about it a lot,
and I think he deserves some credit for really bringing
it back. In some ways, you could say it feels
like a time warp to two thousand and two or something,
and then we went through a pretty long period where
it was more in the background. Yet it still remains
(23:27):
a concern. And the reason it's a concern is because
of issue number three mass migration. We still we went
to fight them over there so that we could then
import them over here and then have to fight them
here again. And Charlie really saw that when he was
in the UK, he was really becoming concerned. It was
hitting him We're going to have this very large, often
(23:47):
very radical Islamic component to Western societies that just did
not exist before.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
And I think he really did a lot of work
to spread that awareness among the base. Besides that, I
think it's really interesting that corrupt courts, so to speak,
has broke.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Into the top five.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
That's expressing this realization that the biggest obstacle to a
lot of President Trump's core agenda, certainly on mass deportations
or DEI, is this fact there's just judges who seem
to have really taken it to heart that even if
they have no legal basis, no constitutional basis for what
they're doing, they can gum up the process for years
(24:32):
on end.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
They have.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
If you need the Supreme Court to step in for
anything the president wants to do, you can really slow
down the agenda in a big way.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I was most surprised.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Besides, I was really surprised that low fertility finished second
from last. That was a big topic Charlie's talked about.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's a big thing.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
A lot of people have talked about the need to
revive the American family, the need for people to have
more kids. But we didn't successfully get it out of
the base on this pole. It was right there, just
only above technology and AI as a concern for America.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Can I can I just add something to that real quick,
because I was too I was stunned by that. And
then I remembered that Benny gave this blockbuster speech and
on the big screen he threw up this graph showing
a recovery and fertility rates, especially among right Christians in general.
And I thought, I hope that didn't impact that because
(25:29):
it showed it showed that there has been a lot
of improvement in recent years as opposed to what was
really and I still believe is an existential threat to
our culture, to our way of life, to our you know,
being able to imperpetuity continue the American experience. So I
(25:49):
thought about it, and I said, well, there was that,
and that speech was attended. That was a that was
a bar. He really he lit the house on fire
with that is great, but I wonder if that didn't
have something you do with it, or people in general
aren't thinking that we're making more progress with it. But
like Blake, I think, and that's something that you know,
myself included. I mean, we need to keep an eye
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on because you know, while there has been progress, it's
not nearly enough.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I want to go to another one here, Rich, and
this is this was a fascinating one pick for your
approval rating of various members of the Trump cabinet. And
I think some people might be surprised at who came
out on top. You know, I thought for sure it
was gonna be Secretary Rubio. But let's go ahead and
throw up one sixty three. And the way that walk
(26:36):
with the audience through Rich, how you had people answer
this question.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So it was basically the same way that a polster
will ask about the approval for the president, only this
we said, look, we want to ask about the cabinet
members one by one, tell us whether you approve or disapprove,
and of course gave them the answer to the the
option for strongly somewhat. And can I just go ahead,
Oh so I can just go ahead and say, look,
Secretary Pete blew it away eighty three percent who strongly
(27:03):
approve of the job that he's doing. I mean overall,
with the exception of a few here and there, Pam
Bondi stands out. Others are just not as well known, right,
and they're not in the public light as much like
Doug Bargum for instance. They for the exception of a few,
the cabinet members are doing well. RFK did extremely well,
Robert Kennedy June extremely I mean incredible, but heg Sath
(27:27):
definitely came out on top here. Secretary of Rubio did
strong as well, but strongly approved for him was seventy
nine percent. But it really does come out, you know.
I think it's the fighting spirit Andrew. You know, when
the media comes after him and says we're gonna, we're
gonna if this is a war crime, we're gonna impeach
you for this, he says, yeah, and I'm gonna smoke
another narco terrorist in this guy. You got. The base
(27:50):
wants their leaders to fight, They want their leaders to
fight for them, they want them to fight back. And
Pete Hegseye fights back.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, yeah, I mean that's exactly right. You know who
surprised me on this as well. Was and I was
I was looking was Secretary Christy Nome, Department of Homeland Security.
I actually thought she performed extraordinarily well in this poll,
and I had been hearing that maybe she wouldn't perform
as well in this poll. So she got seventy two
(28:19):
point eight percent strongly approved, seventeen point three percent somewhat approve. Right,
And so that people love deportations, Rich, they love the deportations.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's what it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Comes down to. And I was thinking much along the
lines of what you just said. But she's a part
of what people see to be Trump's biggest success or
are part of that entire issue.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And on that note, Yeah, Rich, why don't we just
throw it throw it up the one point sixty nine
Trump two point zero biggest accomplishments. We have a minute
left in this segment, and it's deportations and securing the border.
I mean one and two, those are the things people
are most happy about.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, it's overwhelming. And you know what, on this note,
and I know we're getting close to the end of
the segment. On this note, the administration is starting to
do a better job of reminding the American people about
this accomplishment. The base knows, the base is giving him
credit for it. He's got to do a little bit better.
They know that it's good that he's trying, because unfortunately,
it's a sad testament to the American voter. When you
(29:24):
fix a problem, they forget and you have to constantly
remind them that remember what it was. The President did
that in his speech the other the primetime speech, by
the way, and that was the right move.
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Speaker 3 (30:31):
Uh Rich you your lovely wife gave you an insight
on that fertility rate thing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What was the point there?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, the point was a lot of after you got
pasted that, you know, first and second tier, A lot
of it was about affordability. And maybe people you know
are worried or concerned about being able to afford to
have a lot of children, right or other people's ability
to have other children, So you put that stuff first
in your mind when you're considering, you know, these as priorities.
(30:57):
And I hadn't thought about that point, but it's probably
some of that has to do with it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, I think you're right. I think affordability.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I mean, also, you know the thing that occurs to
me in that particular venue with those particular people, there's
so many babies and kids running around, you know, like
probably those most people think, you know, we're gonna have
a lot of babies.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's not our top concern, So that's my other theory
on that.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And we have the most responded to youngest by with
average age of the respondent. Straphole that we are unpacking
with Big Dada Pole, Rich Barris, the polster that conducted
the pole on our behalf, and this one Rich, I
think I'm just gonna say at backstage, I had a
conversation with a very important person that we're mapping out
(31:39):
twenty twenty six in the midterms, and I'm telling you,
you know, you've got this issue of base fatigue or
maybe lack of enthusiasm, whatever it is. We saw this
with some of the special elections we struggle in off years.
The question is how do you get people energetic? And
I looked at the early results on this question, this
next one, and I said, I'm telling you, I know
(32:01):
people are terrified of it. I know that the rank
and file Republican in DC is terrified of it. The
base wants this. If you want to drive base turnout,
lean into this issue. Find a way to thread the
needle so you don't freak out. You know, the people
you know that are in these contested elections, I'm sure,
but I'm telling you so will drive turnout. I think
it's a winner even amongst some Democrats that don't want
(32:24):
to even admit it, or Independents that don't want to
admit it. They don't necessarily want to say it out loud.
We asked the question, Rich, would you support an immigration moratorium?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Go up and go ahead and.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Throw up one sixty eight. This did way better than
even I anticipated one sixty eight. Look at that number.
The p ninety of the attendees at America Fest, which
again is these are the grassroots. This is like the plumbers,
the electricians. These are everyday people that attend this and
lots of students they want in immigration moratorium.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Now, I am not naive.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I know that the Republicans in Congress are not ready
to tackle this issue. I strongly encourage you to reconsider
your appetite for this issue ahead of the midterms.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Rich, what's your takeaway here?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, I would say suck it up, Buttercup. I mean,
if you remember when President Trump posted that he would
do the moratorium, we actually pulled that even nationally and
it did extremely well. That was right before Tennessee the
special election in Tennessee seven and if you remember Emerson
had of poll was very close it was only two points.
And then I came on the show to tell you
(33:34):
that once he did that, how much extremely enthusiastic and
certainty to vote jumped by double digits. And I do
attribute that larger margin than some people expected to have
come from giving him a little bit of a shot,
a wake up call to the base, wake up call
to the voters. This is popular. Not only is it popular,
I mean look at some of the other questions. You know,
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mass migration is viewed as an existential threat to people.
So to have this as a backbone issue which you
can then deliver an economic message out of right, like
so many of our problems come from this, this immigration
issue basically being broken since heartseller right, So this is
a gold mine Andrew a gold mine. So I mean
(34:17):
strongly suggest I would tell them you got to do it,
you want to win, do it, lean into it, make
it the case.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Oh sorry, yeah, it's just yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I honestly, when I saw it get ninety percent, the
first question that came to mind was do they all
know what a moratorium?
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Miss? Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
But yeah, because listen, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
It shows the energy for the base, because in practice,
would a full moratory would it really have ninety percent support.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I kind of liked the idea, but I'm also I
realized that would be pretty dramatic for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
But I think it shows the energy on this.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
It shows how people are enthusiastic to see a sea
change on immigration.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
That there's really.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Been an expansion of what people see is possible in
American politics. Oh, you actually can secure your border. You
actually can support people, especially criminals, people who hate America
and so on, and so people are also entertaining, Oh,
you actually can stop You don't need to let people
into your country necessarily, that that's a choice that you
(35:27):
can make.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
You've also had horrific scandals lately, right, that highlighted some
of these right in Minnesota, and there are others, Right,
They haven't gotten as much media attention, but people are
seeing this, you know, when they open up their social media,
they are seeing this. And again, we did pull a
very similar question nationally and it got fifty five percent support. So,
(35:48):
you know, I think that people are at a point
where they understand that this thing has been kind of
like a runaway you know car for years. Somebody's got
to pump the brake until we figure out what it
is we until we get our hands on what has
happened and what needs to happen going forward, because we
just how much more of this can we take?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
How much more of this.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Can we take? Well?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Rich, thank you for partnering with us and turning point action,
getting this poll done, this drop hoole done, and I
think the results are wonderfully revealing about where again, that
core center winning coalition is ideologically, where they're at on
the issues, where they're out on Trump, where they're aut
on vance, where they're out on the cabinet. Well done,
my friend, and thank you for joining us for this hour.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Thank you, and Merry Christmas, guys, all.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
The Christmas Rich, Merry Christmas to all of you as
well out there.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
We'll see you tomorrow.
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