December 23, 2025 • 36 mins
Are we finally reaching the end of the Jeffrey Epstein saga after a mass dump of photos, emails, and more? Jack Posobiec helps the show break it down and explains what we know at this point. Sean Davis joins to discuss family business at AmFest from an outside point of view.
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All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's the
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joined by Blake nef who's in the studio.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
What are you wearing, Andrew?
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Oh, I'm wearing the dude buds. Yes, yes, Jack, you
got a sweater on. Blake, you do not have a
sweater on, because I forgot to tell you that I
was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today.
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I don't think I even own a sweater. I live
in Phoenix.
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Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas water memo. I
don't understand what's going on here.
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No, No, this is gonna pick it at a larger
scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally. So it was just
it was just a vibe that I felt this morning.
You know, my kids were all like still in their
jammies their Christmas Jammy is they call?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So you are you wearing pajama at the bottoms right now?
Don't tell us?
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No, No, I'm wearing jeans. I'm wearing jeans, thankfu. Although
Charlie two lies truth, Charlie Blake can attest. Charlie used
to always come into the studio with the He would
have you know, business on the top and then shorts
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That's right.
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I wore them.
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That's good for airplanes, though, no, it is. It's good
for airplanes. Listen. So we've got a jam packed show.
We figured let's just throw the kitchen sink at it
today and we're gonna have a lot of guests. So
we've start off with Jack Basoba, Coast of Human Events Dale.
We're gonna talk Epstein because with all the craziness around
Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest in our straw poll,
(03:10):
we have not I mean I personally, I have not
had a chance to really dive in. So Jack's gonna
be our expert on that and kind of give us
the updates on that. I saw that there's a third
tranch of files from the DOJ following the passage of
that law. Then we're gonna have Sean Davis. He's gonna
talk about the family business that was on full display
at Amfest. And then we've got Steven Moore who's going
(03:31):
to talk about economics and the great GDP news that
came out this morning. And then we're gonna finish with
Bata Ungar Sargon. She's now a News Nation anchor and
I'm going to try and convince her that Jade Vance
is the man, and she's got her skepticism. So we're
going to talk through that. So Jack, without further ado,
just thirty thousand foot view for us, what's going on
(03:53):
with Epstein? How do we get here? What have we learned?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Okay, So this is the response to that legislation that
was by the House a while back. It was a
bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some
of us, like myself, have been calling for since day
one of President Trump returning to the White House. And
what we've got now are actual files coming out. Now,
(04:17):
what we have today, this is there. So there were
files released during Amfest because of course, it couldn't be
a turning point event without Epstein files getting released. Separately,
and then now we've got more Epstein files that are
being released as part of this trunch. And I believe
that one of the things that's going on right now
is that a lot of these files that are coming out,
these are investigative files. These are things that came up
(04:39):
as evidence. And there are a lot of redactions in these,
some of which were told are redactions for victims on
personal information that people don't want out for those who
aren't being accused of a crime, or people who are,
like I said, the victims of Epstein and of his network,
and potentially even under depending on who it is. Obviously
(05:01):
we can't tell in many of these cases. But there
are so many more files that are coming out, and
also that people are saying. There have been back and
forth of the DJ. They said, wait a minute, you've
put some stuff out, then you put out other stuff
and redacted. So there are people even respect this is
a very live situation where people are responding to the
DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted,
(05:24):
Hey I want that redacted. So that being said, what
we do actually have, I'm just going to say it,
these photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make
me sick to my stomach looking at some of these.
I talked about this on Newsmachs last night that when
there were people, there have been a lot of people.
So there's been this narrative that like, Okay, Epstein maybe
(05:46):
wasn't involved in like really bad stuff, and maybe it's
all just overblown. No, No, it's actually disgusting, and there's
a lot of photos. It just has to be said truthfully.
There are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton,
Bill Clinton in a hot tub, Him and Bill Clinton
on planes, Him and Bill Clinton wearing you know, matching
matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party.
(06:09):
So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald
Trump in a hot tub. And so the Democrats are
sitting there going like, wait, what's you know, what's what's happening,
because we were told Trump would be the one in there.
And yes, there were some time there were some instances
where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump
flying on the plane. But what was interesting is, of
course not only did they still not find Trump find
(06:31):
just be truthful, they did not find Trump flying to
the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane
with his family, so like with his wife and children.
So again like not a situation where we're hopefully anything
on tour.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Those were those were mostly in the nineties, right Jack,
So oh.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, this is way way, way, like we're talking
thirty thirty, forty years ago in some instances, so where
it's like just or thirty years ago, so instances where
long before any of these, any of his crimes had
come to life, long before I mean know the rest
of the story. We've been over it so many times,
where he was evicted from mar A Lago for his behavior,
(07:09):
and then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the
victims to say, how can I help you to put
this guy away? Because he's a bad guy. And what
we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him
of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince or
i should say former Prince Andrew. A fake passport is
something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting.
(07:29):
I mean, this is happening all live. It was an
Austrian passport, talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia.
I mean really just a lot of just a lot
of random things that are coming out like crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Right now, let's go ahead and get President Trump was
asked about this. Let's play one ninety one.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
I know there are a lot of people that are
angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know,
but I think it's sterile. Look, no, I don't like
the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I don't like
the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's
a terrible thing. I think Bill Lyndon's a big boy,
he can handle it.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people
that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago,
and they're you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others,
and they'll end up because of guys like Massiew's a
real low life. What this whole thing is with Epstein
is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous
(08:30):
success that the Republican Party has.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind
of objection to this, you know, and we have to
remember that if they had something on Trump, it would
have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, ten
times over. So or this does.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Turn that around. Yeah, if they have something on Clinton.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to
He has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm well, actually Trump Trump is saying, listen, I've always
gotten along with Bill. He's been good to me. I've
been good to him. I actually don't kind of getting
inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think
he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton
per se. Maybe Hillary more so, but yeah, I think
Trump Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of
(09:19):
knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are
put in. It just feels like he's being consistent. But
you know, the admin was pressured, you know, he takes
a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent.
So he's doing He's doing what he's got to do politically.
But I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted
with the fact that one of the act here.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Well, one thing I was to mention is there is
a very strange letter to Larry Nasser. Larry Nasser, who
we know also went to prison and is in prison
for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a
letter to him saying as you know by now I
have taken the short route home. Good luck. We shared
one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and
the hope they'd reach their full potential. And then he
(10:00):
also he makes a Lewde reference to Trump, and then
he writes life is unfair.
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Blake Nef is threatening to upset everybody in the audience.
I don't know if we're ready for that yet, but
why don't we just start here? Let's go one ninety nine.
(11:24):
This is Joe Scarborough on his reaction to the Epstein files.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
One of the great mysteries to me and a lot
of other people is we've had reporting for some time
Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list. There's nothing in
there that's really damning about Donald Trump. And as Susie
Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Are Bill Clinton.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
So one of the great mysteries all along in this
not been like, what's Donald Trump hiding?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What did he do?
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Da da da da say?
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Why if he's not in these files, which all the
reporting says he's not Why is he so obsessed on
blocking access to the files? Is he trying to protect somebody?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I guess what I would say is I feel like
that's actually the case for a lot of the people
in this I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral, and
what a lot of this is.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
It's photographs of people.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Hanging out and then they black out the faces and
that's used to create the implication there's a super savage,
sinister crime. But what you will basically just have is
you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people, you have
Bill Gates getting photos with people, you have people having
photos with Epstein. And I think it gets back to
what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable. He's
(12:43):
pointed out a lot of people met Epstein. He was
a huge socialite. And when you just release a giant
pile of photographs you can of someone who's become an
infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association. And I
guess I would caution everyone to take a step back
and think, what do we really have proof of what
(13:05):
has actually been litigated in court? Because, for example, a
lot of these cases when they have gone to court,
people have either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz
was able to sue Virginia Guffrey and she had to
admit she just was lying about him. Or we have
cases where a lot of this has been a funny
pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year,
(13:25):
where a lot of the victims have just been saying
they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but
they won't name names themselves. And I think a justifiable
reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name
names themselves because they actually don't have evidence, and they're
basically worried about getting sued for defamation, and they wanted
others to do the work for them to justify allegations
(13:49):
that they could kind of get away with making without
being as facing as much risk of actual defamation.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
It just the whole thing feels very off to me.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space
a little bit as well. I mean, I mean, where
would you put yourself on the spectrum of Like he
was this mastermind international pedophile ring leader with compromide on
the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like
a kinky, gross, disgusting like sex you know, pass that
(14:21):
was connected to a few international leaders. Maybe he was
working with the CIA, Masad whatever where. Like, there's so
many options of what the truth is here, it's hard
to make sense of it.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, look, I see what the DOJ is putting out,
but I also watch Mike Ben's and all the stuff
that he's putting out as well. He's very well documented
these links between Epstein and intelligence. He talks about his
connections to Iran Contra, his connections to ad Non Koshogi,
the money that was being runner around. Yes, that's right,
the father of Jamal Koshogi, and so's it's really interesting
(14:55):
when you look at some of this stuff and the
networks that he was in, and then certainly there are
questions on who was running who was he an asset?
Was he an operative? But I really do think that
there's a lot more to this than I think than
meets the eye. But when it comes to what Blake
is saying, I can appreciate what Blake saying because when
you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you
(15:17):
need to be able to stand these things up on evidence.
So what I would also say, though, is if the
DJ has this evidence, then we should put it out
or at least make it available to any of the
victims should they want to sue. And I believe that
a number of the victims are getting restitution from the
Estate of Epstein, and I think they deserve that. But
if there are people out there, like former Prince Andrew
or others who are involved in crimes, then absolutely you
(15:38):
have to use the evidence. Like that's the whole point.
We have the government. This whole point, we have the
Department of Justice. You investigate the crimes. You don't make
the victim have to investigate themselves, right, that's the point.
That's why we have the government.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Jack, one more question here before we got to go,
what do you make of this video that was circulating
around Yesda it seemed to show and the timestamp lined
up with his suicide or murder. However you want to
look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide
that you checked into that, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, I think that ended up being a recreation that
was not an actual video. That was something that possibly
was done as a recreation, CGI kind of thing to say,
you know, if he did it, here's a way he
possibly anatomically could have done it. Possibly something they were
looking at during the autopsy. Different things like that can
be created when you're ongoing.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Because it was but I think it was in the
DJ file. It was in the you could actually access
it online. It was very interesting. Yeah, I guess it
was a recreation. Jack Mesobic, thanks for walking us through that.
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without further ado, We're going to talk some family business
with Sean Davis. He is the right guy to do
it because you know, there's a lot of Johnny Come Lately's,
there's a lot of there's a lot of new blood
in the movement, and that's a good thing. But sometimes
they don't know how the They don't know how the
sausage is made. They don't know how the coalition came
together in the first point in the first part. So
Sean Davis from the Federalists, one of the good guys
(18:20):
out there. Man, does he know how to tweak the left? Sean,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Thank you for having me Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, well, I tried to get you to go to Amfest,
but you were adamant that you had other plans. It's
not for me to divulge what you were doing instead
of coming to Amfest. But I wanted to get you.
I mean, if you want to go there, it's fine
with It's fine with me. But something to do with
Bambie I don't know. But if if you were on
the outside looking in and Amfest, you got to see
(18:47):
all the reactions to it, the reactions of the speeches,
to the disagreements, all of these things I want. I
wanted your help to make sense of it. Sean, what
what do you make of the reactions? But the good
and the bad?
Speaker 10 (18:59):
Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting, not Bamby,
but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome, got him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Good. I saw the fruits of your labor, and I'm impressed.
I'm impressed.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
They're gonna be delicious.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
I got to tell you what I've always loved about Amfest.
I love the energy. I love the number of people
you can get in there. Just like the logistical feat
of pulling something like that off, let alone in a
year like this really blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But the thing that I have.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
Always loved about it, about Charlie in particular and kind
of the whole TPUSA vibe, is how ecumenical it is.
He will have or had people all the time where
I was like, Yeah, I don't really like that guy,
and then there'd.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great,
is that we don't have to always agree on everything
all the time for the same reasons, and so I
like having the people up there who can disagree, who
can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is
to build a coalition and that can win elections and
then do what needs to be done to save our country.
So that's what I loved about AMPS this year in particular,
(20:08):
after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy
to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind
of self referential and self focused, and instead the focus
state on the country and the movement and everyone who's
within it, even the people I don't agree with all
the time.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, well said I mean, and Blake, I want to
bring you in for this as well. I mean, there
just seems to be though this there's a rising tide
of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice to
other people that they want to see the disavow very publicly.
They want to see. You know, it just seems like
we hadn't been in that that posture, you hadn't heard
(20:46):
as much of that tone, and all of a sudden
there's there's a lot of voices saying we got to
disavow this, we gotta say this, we gotta we gotta
block this, and I think a lot of it is
a proxy war with JD ahead of twenty twenty eight.
But I leave it to you guys, Blake, you first,
what do you make of this this? I mean, because
you you have a you have a little bit of
sympathy I think for that as well. But you're you're
(21:08):
much more reserve, reserved and restrained.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Well, I think I think you want to you have
to divorce.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I think demands that you disavow, that you exclude someone aggressively.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I we know how.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably, so
he hated what he called moral blackmail.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
That was the line he used uh, But I.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Don't think we saw too much of that. I think
we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it
that way. But I think what we saw was you
saw an aggressive posture about how what we should be
talking about, what we should care about most, uh, what
is good or bad behavior? I think, I know, let's
(21:52):
just stay the elephant in the room. A lot of
people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately
after Erica spoke, and I don't think Ben was saying
we need to aggressively cancel people. I think he was
saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Handled certain topics.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
And I think in response to that, many people said, oh,
he's trying to cancel us. I think Ben was going
about it in the way Ben does. Ben is a
very blunt guy. He's going to say exactly what he
means and exactly what he's angry about. And I think
that's going to some people are going to really like that.
Some people are going to find it really irritating, and
that's just that's part of his brand. That's been his
brand for a decade. But I think on the ground,
(22:40):
among attendees, we saw a lot of people who frankly,
they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what
Tucker said, And I think that's really how a lot
of the bass feels.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I think the people who are getting angry enough to.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice
of the coalition overall.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, and they're loud online though, right, Sean. I mean
that's why I wanted to get your perspective in because
to Blake's point, there was there was people in the
audience that like, what what are we fighting about? That?
People had no idea like that. There was that there
was like a you know, a kind of a family
business fight happening, right uh. And then you had people
that were like, we we actually did a show hands
and our members podcast room, and we said who likes
(23:25):
Ben's approach? And about half the hands went up? And
then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach? About half the
hands went up. So it was like it was a
very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception to that. And
to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying we need
to cancel people. Ben was just saying, you know, here
here are my lines, here are my lines in the sand,
you know, take him or leave him. And you know
(23:46):
he wasn't calling us to cancel people either. He was
just sort of festivus for the rest of us. He
was airing his grievances in a public place, and you
know that was his Yeah, we don't, we don't. We
don't tell anybody what to say actually at these things.
So you from the outside, but there is this loud
contingent on x and other forums that are saying it's
(24:07):
time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this
person or that person.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
Yeah, and I mean that's to be expected online. This
is politics, and politics is all about getting your way
so that someone else who you disagree with can't get
their way. So like that's it's just kind of part
and parcel of how politics works.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Again, what I have.
Speaker 10 (24:25):
Always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement
in general. And like my personal philosophy on this is,
if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as
you like. If you're putting points on the board, if
you are bringing people to the table and you're moving
the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you.
Even if I might disagree with you on a whole
bunch of stuff, and that goes for Tucker and Megan
(24:48):
and you and Ben Shapiro and Nicki Minaj or anyone else.
If you were rowing with us and you're not actively
trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country, there's
a there's there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement,
and so I think it's good to have that. And
the other thing to recognize is we're never going to
agree with everyone all the time. I don't agree with
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my wife on everything all the time. I don't agree
with my kids on everything all the time. I have
debates in my own head with myself on issues back
and forth. So like it's hard to get full agreement
with people you know and love and care about a
trillion percent, imagine how much more difficult it is going
to be to agree with everyone all the time, people
who you don't know, with different backgrounds and different priorities.
(25:32):
And then you talk about kind of like the online nature,
and there really.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Is such a big divide.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
If you live your entire life on the internet with
the screen in front of you, you are going to
have a very different perspective of where the country is
than if you don't do that. And it obviously, you know,
Twitter or x isn't real life, but it can be
reflective of it. So I don't want to dismiss the
online debates because they're important and they do they do
mean something and they represent real people. But it's important
(26:00):
to be out there talking to normal people, talking to
people who are not online, who are not political obsessives,
because as much as it may pain people like us
to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not
like us.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
They don't look at.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
The world through the lens that we look through it.
And so it's just great to have thirty thousand people,
especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and
their own opinions and getting their perspective, and when they
are out there saying the people who were there, yeah, yeah,
half of us liked it and half of us didn't.
That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good
balance on how to represent the whole of the movement.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah. I mean, I think that's you're echoing so much
of what Jad said in his speech. You know, I
let's go ahead and play some sound from him. One
twenty five, all of you, each and everyone.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics
by running.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
His supporters through endless, self.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Defeating purity tests.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
He says, make a America great again, because every American
is invited.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor,
young or old. And he keeps going on, right he
he He made this point a lot of times. And
it's not that he didn't put boundaries in this speech.
I mean he he basically he condemned anti semitism, He
condemned racism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, and lifted
(27:33):
up merit merit, merit merit. So I sort of just
wonder if people, you know, if they if he didn't
straight up say I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech.
I wonder if anybody would have been like that crowd
would have been happy. You know, he didn't have to
say some people's names.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Which he doesn't. Did condemn him by name the next day, right.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, I mean because he came after his wife, right,
So JD put a big line in the sand on
that and that front. But like listen, I think the
message was clear. I think ninety percent of people heard it,
but I think there's a loud minority online that is
just not going to be happy until you know everybody's
getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro on taking
(28:16):
a howitzer to everybody else in the movement. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
So I think it's when people are doing that, they
are pretending to be mad about mad at him about
one thing, when they're actually mad about another thing. And
with JD, foreign policy is the main thing. JD is
not an interventionist, he's not a neocon. He's very much
a realist and someone who having been involved in America's
wars personally understands that, you know, we need to be
(28:40):
a lot more circumspective about how we get in. And
so when people go after him, it's really a proxy
battle over foreign policy. And I think a lot of people, honestly,
I wish they were just more honest about what the
real issue is, rather than trying to pretend it's something else.
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All right, we have some serious things to talk about
right now. Blake and Sean. The question before you what
is your favorite Christmas movie? And is die Hard a
Christmas movie? The eternal debate.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Let's Sean go first.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
So I for a nostalgia Steake, I love a Christmas story.
My kids hate it. I love it. It's what I
grew up watching. I will say no, die Hard is
not a Christmas movie. And the thing that perplexes me
to this day what do they do in having a
work party on Christmas Eve?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It was a Christmas party. It was their Christmas party
for the office. But yeah, it was way too late.
It is too late my favorite Christmas movie? First of all,
say Diehard definitely not a Christmas movie. It came out
in the summer. It's just a movie set during Christmas.
That is not the same. And then I would say
my favorite you know, you don't hear about it as much.
(30:58):
I think I might fall back on on Home Alone.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Home Alone is a really good movie.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
It's got really good Christmas themes, not just the funny stuff,
the stuff with the man with his daughter, his a
strange son. That stuff is really beautiful to watch as
an adult. I didn't appreciate it as much as a kid.
I really love that stuff.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I should watch it again.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
This is Christmas. Oh, I have the dude abides Christmas sweater. Yes,
that is the dude from Big Lebowski. You can judge
me all you want, but the dude abides. Yes. Diehard
is a Christmas movie. Yes, it was released in the summer,
but it was a set on Christmas eve. Man, It's
like it's perfectly situated. It lives eternally. This is why
(31:37):
every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch lists streaming.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
No, this is like a gen x irony thing, like
it's funny to go haha.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
It's set during Christmas.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It's technically a Christmas movie, but it's just it is
a movie set during Christmas. It doesn't have any Christmas
themes about yes, damn.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Come on reuniting with his wife. I mean they're like.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Movie way like the lesson of Diehard is then like
you can you can like get back with your wife
by killing a bunch of terrorists.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Not like that. Everyone knows that, you know, getting over
your hang ups or something.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know it's oh my god. Well listen, I gotta
take your shoes Blank for Studio agrees with me, and yeah,
Posto's chiming into. He says, The Lion, the Witch and
the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
I gotta take your shoes on irony thing that that's
a millennial affectation. Gen X doesn't do faux irony. That's
very much a millennial thing effect.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, how dare you think?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Right here? So the but my favorite Christmas movie is
absolutely It's a wonderful life and I love I love
like the nineteen eighties what is it nineteen eighty three
Christmas Carol or something. I forget what I forget. I
just I know we have it on the the we
bought it, so we watch it. I forget which one
it is, but it was like the nineteen eighties one
(32:57):
and my daughter actually loves it and she's seven, and
it's so I like watching it with her. That's my
whole plan. Everybody's like, what are you doing this Christmas?
I'm watching Christmas movies. As soon as I'm done today,
I'm clocking out, turning the phone off. We're doing hot
cocoa and pajamas and we're watching Christmas movies. I plan
to gain at least four pounds.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Hot coco to insulate yourself from the cold sixty five
degree wins of Santa Barbara.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, well, listen, I'm trying to I'm trying to stay warm.
I will tell you so, Hey, Sean, let me know
what you think here. So, I think a lot of
these battles just sorry, I got to make it serious
for the last three minutes we have here. A lot
of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy.
Why is that issue in particular? Is it just because
(33:46):
the military industrial complex? Is it because there's so much
money involved? It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display.
What what drives the foreign policy debate? When we have
a whole country to govern? Why is that always such
a big deal.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, it's such a good question. Obviously.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
I think the money involved is a big thing. You know,
how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq
and Afghanistan? And then when those were finally wound down,
it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars
to Ukraine. Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime change
in Venezuela, which obviously would be a terrible idea. So
money is a huge thing. I also think there is
(34:24):
a very large I don't want to say it's totally
moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the
back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's
lives and other people's money to do things which they
think are morally right to do. It's kind of the
COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent. Oh,
(34:46):
I'm not doing this to help myself. I'm trying to
keep you safe. I think there is a large segment
of people who really really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it,
almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it. I
think it's that plus the plus the money. And then
also there are people who just genuinely think we need
to be involved everywhere. Why are we big and powerful
(35:08):
and why do we have this role if we're not
just gonna go be the world police.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I think there are people who legitimately believe that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, and you know, Charlie used to rail against people
being fixated and fascinated about foreign abstractions. It's somehow I
think Honestly, when you get into a position of power
or political office, it's easier to sort of think about
others far and away and ignore the problems right at
your doorstep because those are harder and and you know
it might reflect poorly on your own self. So blake
(35:37):
take us home.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Yeah, I think I think Sean's exactly right. People do
get they get fixated on these big, abstract thing I think, honestly,
it's almost I think it's a lot of people who
get into politics and get into government are kind of
nerds and dorks and they remember being kids and they
liked the idea, Oh, I'm moving these like big the
(36:00):
I can move these armies. It'd be so cool if
I was Alexander the Great. It'd be so cool if
I was Napoleon. And then they get into government and
they kind of get to fill these fantasies. That sounds
like the wrong word gods when that comes to mind. Yeah,
god complex or just self importance, a lot of self importance.
And you certainly see that in DC all the time,
(36:22):
and it's really annoying.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
And this Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to earth.
He's God and we are not him. So that's our
message to all the godlike complex folks. Thanks Sean, we'll
see soon.
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Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.
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last show before Christmas. I'm your host for today, Andrew Colvett,
joined by Blake nef who's in the studio.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
What are you wearing, Andrew?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh, I'm wearing the dude buds. Yes, yes, Jack, you
got a sweater on. Blake, you do not have a
sweater on, because I forgot to tell you that I
was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
I don't think I even own a sweater. I live
in Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas water memo. I
don't understand what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No, No, this is gonna pick it at a larger
scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally. So it was just
it was just a vibe that I felt this morning.
You know, my kids were all like still in their
jammies their Christmas Jammy is they call?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So you are you wearing pajama at the bottoms right now?
Don't tell us?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, No, I'm wearing jeans. I'm wearing jeans, thankfu. Although
Charlie two lies truth, Charlie Blake can attest. Charlie used
to always come into the studio with the He would
have you know, business on the top and then shorts
on the bottom. Yeah, basketball shorts. Yeah, that and the
long socks because they were good for circulation.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
For the circulation, yeah, there, the vascular vascular socks.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
I wore those socks on because he advertises so much.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I wore them.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
I think when I had to fly to Korea. It
was like a fifteen hour flight, and I wore them.
And I think I was about nine hours in and
I just said, I can't take this anymore and I
rolled back.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's good for airplanes, though, no, it is. It's good
for airplanes. Listen. So we've got a jam packed show.
We figured let's just throw the kitchen sink at it
today and we're gonna have a lot of guests. So
we've start off with Jack Basoba, Coast of Human Events Dale.
We're gonna talk Epstein because with all the craziness around
Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest in our straw poll,
(03:10):
we have not I mean I personally, I have not
had a chance to really dive in. So Jack's gonna
be our expert on that and kind of give us
the updates on that. I saw that there's a third
tranch of files from the DOJ following the passage of
that law. Then we're gonna have Sean Davis. He's gonna
talk about the family business that was on full display
at Amfest. And then we've got Steven Moore who's going
(03:31):
to talk about economics and the great GDP news that
came out this morning. And then we're gonna finish with
Bata Ungar Sargon. She's now a News Nation anchor and
I'm going to try and convince her that Jade Vance
is the man, and she's got her skepticism. So we're
going to talk through that. So Jack, without further ado,
just thirty thousand foot view for us, what's going on
(03:53):
with Epstein? How do we get here? What have we learned?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Okay, So this is the response to that legislation that
was by the House a while back. It was a
bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some
of us, like myself, have been calling for since day
one of President Trump returning to the White House. And
what we've got now are actual files coming out. Now,
(04:17):
what we have today, this is there. So there were
files released during Amfest because of course, it couldn't be
a turning point event without Epstein files getting released. Separately,
and then now we've got more Epstein files that are
being released as part of this trunch. And I believe
that one of the things that's going on right now
is that a lot of these files that are coming out,
these are investigative files. These are things that came up
(04:39):
as evidence. And there are a lot of redactions in these,
some of which were told are redactions for victims on
personal information that people don't want out for those who
aren't being accused of a crime, or people who are,
like I said, the victims of Epstein and of his network,
and potentially even under depending on who it is. Obviously
(05:01):
we can't tell in many of these cases. But there
are so many more files that are coming out, and
also that people are saying. There have been back and
forth of the DJ. They said, wait a minute, you've
put some stuff out, then you put out other stuff
and redacted. So there are people even respect this is
a very live situation where people are responding to the
DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted,
(05:24):
Hey I want that redacted. So that being said, what
we do actually have, I'm just going to say it,
these photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make
me sick to my stomach looking at some of these.
I talked about this on Newsmachs last night that when
there were people, there have been a lot of people.
So there's been this narrative that like, Okay, Epstein maybe
(05:46):
wasn't involved in like really bad stuff, and maybe it's
all just overblown. No, No, it's actually disgusting, and there's
a lot of photos. It just has to be said truthfully.
There are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton,
Bill Clinton in a hot tub, Him and Bill Clinton
on planes, Him and Bill Clinton wearing you know, matching
matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party.
(06:09):
So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald
Trump in a hot tub. And so the Democrats are
sitting there going like, wait, what's you know, what's what's happening,
because we were told Trump would be the one in there.
And yes, there were some time there were some instances
where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump
flying on the plane. But what was interesting is, of
course not only did they still not find Trump find
(06:31):
just be truthful, they did not find Trump flying to
the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane
with his family, so like with his wife and children.
So again like not a situation where we're hopefully anything
on tour.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Those were those were mostly in the nineties, right Jack,
So oh.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, this is way way, way, like we're talking
thirty thirty, forty years ago in some instances, so where
it's like just or thirty years ago, so instances where
long before any of these, any of his crimes had
come to life, long before I mean know the rest
of the story. We've been over it so many times,
where he was evicted from mar A Lago for his behavior,
(07:09):
and then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the
victims to say, how can I help you to put
this guy away? Because he's a bad guy. And what
we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him
of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince or
i should say former Prince Andrew. A fake passport is
something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting.
(07:29):
I mean, this is happening all live. It was an
Austrian passport, talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia.
I mean really just a lot of just a lot
of random things that are coming out like crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Right now, let's go ahead and get President Trump was
asked about this. Let's play one ninety one.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
I know there are a lot of people that are
angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know,
but I think it's sterile. Look, no, I don't like
the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I don't like
the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's
a terrible thing. I think Bill Lyndon's a big boy,
he can handle it.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people
that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago,
and they're you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others,
and they'll end up because of guys like Massiew's a
real low life. What this whole thing is with Epstein
is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous
(08:30):
success that the Republican Party has.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind
of objection to this, you know, and we have to
remember that if they had something on Trump, it would
have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, ten
times over. So or this does.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Turn that around. Yeah, if they have something on Clinton.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to
He has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm well, actually Trump Trump is saying, listen, I've always
gotten along with Bill. He's been good to me. I've
been good to him. I actually don't kind of getting
inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think
he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton
per se. Maybe Hillary more so, but yeah, I think
Trump Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of
(09:19):
knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are
put in. It just feels like he's being consistent. But
you know, the admin was pressured, you know, he takes
a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent.
So he's doing He's doing what he's got to do politically.
But I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted
with the fact that one of the act here.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Well, one thing I was to mention is there is
a very strange letter to Larry Nasser. Larry Nasser, who
we know also went to prison and is in prison
for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a
letter to him saying as you know by now I
have taken the short route home. Good luck. We shared
one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and
the hope they'd reach their full potential. And then he
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he writes life is unfair.
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Blake Nef is threatening to upset everybody in the audience.
I don't know if we're ready for that yet, but
why don't we just start here? Let's go one ninety nine.
(11:24):
This is Joe Scarborough on his reaction to the Epstein files.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
One of the great mysteries to me and a lot
of other people is we've had reporting for some time
Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list. There's nothing in
there that's really damning about Donald Trump. And as Susie
Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Are Bill Clinton.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
So one of the great mysteries all along in this
not been like, what's Donald Trump hiding?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What did he do?
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Da da da da say?
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Why if he's not in these files, which all the
reporting says he's not Why is he so obsessed on
blocking access to the files? Is he trying to protect somebody?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I guess what I would say is I feel like
that's actually the case for a lot of the people
in this I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral, and
what a lot of this is.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
It's photographs of people.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Hanging out and then they black out the faces and
that's used to create the implication there's a super savage,
sinister crime. But what you will basically just have is
you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people, you have
Bill Gates getting photos with people, you have people having
photos with Epstein. And I think it gets back to
what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable. He's
(12:43):
pointed out a lot of people met Epstein. He was
a huge socialite. And when you just release a giant
pile of photographs you can of someone who's become an
infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association. And I
guess I would caution everyone to take a step back
and think, what do we really have proof of what
(13:05):
has actually been litigated in court? Because, for example, a
lot of these cases when they have gone to court,
people have either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz
was able to sue Virginia Guffrey and she had to
admit she just was lying about him. Or we have
cases where a lot of this has been a funny
pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year,
(13:25):
where a lot of the victims have just been saying
they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but
they won't name names themselves. And I think a justifiable
reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name
names themselves because they actually don't have evidence, and they're
basically worried about getting sued for defamation, and they wanted
others to do the work for them to justify allegations
(13:49):
that they could kind of get away with making without
being as facing as much risk of actual defamation.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
It just the whole thing feels very off to me.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space
a little bit as well. I mean, I mean, where
would you put yourself on the spectrum of Like he
was this mastermind international pedophile ring leader with compromide on
the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like
a kinky, gross, disgusting like sex you know, pass that
(14:21):
was connected to a few international leaders. Maybe he was
working with the CIA, Masad whatever where. Like, there's so
many options of what the truth is here, it's hard
to make sense of it.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, look, I see what the DOJ is putting out,
but I also watch Mike Ben's and all the stuff
that he's putting out as well. He's very well documented
these links between Epstein and intelligence. He talks about his
connections to Iran Contra, his connections to ad Non Koshogi,
the money that was being runner around. Yes, that's right,
the father of Jamal Koshogi, and so's it's really interesting
(14:55):
when you look at some of this stuff and the
networks that he was in, and then certainly there are
questions on who was running who was he an asset?
Was he an operative? But I really do think that
there's a lot more to this than I think than
meets the eye. But when it comes to what Blake
is saying, I can appreciate what Blake saying because when
you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you
(15:17):
need to be able to stand these things up on evidence.
So what I would also say, though, is if the
DJ has this evidence, then we should put it out
or at least make it available to any of the
victims should they want to sue. And I believe that
a number of the victims are getting restitution from the
Estate of Epstein, and I think they deserve that. But
if there are people out there, like former Prince Andrew
or others who are involved in crimes, then absolutely you
(15:38):
have to use the evidence. Like that's the whole point.
We have the government. This whole point, we have the
Department of Justice. You investigate the crimes. You don't make
the victim have to investigate themselves, right, that's the point.
That's why we have the government.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Jack, one more question here before we got to go,
what do you make of this video that was circulating
around Yesda it seemed to show and the timestamp lined
up with his suicide or murder. However you want to
look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide
that you checked into that, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, I think that ended up being a recreation that
was not an actual video. That was something that possibly
was done as a recreation, CGI kind of thing to say,
you know, if he did it, here's a way he
possibly anatomically could have done it. Possibly something they were
looking at during the autopsy. Different things like that can
be created when you're ongoing.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Because it was but I think it was in the
DJ file. It was in the you could actually access
it online. It was very interesting. Yeah, I guess it
was a recreation. Jack Mesobic, thanks for walking us through that.
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without further ado, We're going to talk some family business
with Sean Davis. He is the right guy to do
it because you know, there's a lot of Johnny Come Lately's,
there's a lot of there's a lot of new blood
in the movement, and that's a good thing. But sometimes
they don't know how the They don't know how the
sausage is made. They don't know how the coalition came
together in the first point in the first part. So
Sean Davis from the Federalists, one of the good guys
(18:20):
out there. Man, does he know how to tweak the left? Sean,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Thank you for having me Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, well, I tried to get you to go to Amfest,
but you were adamant that you had other plans. It's
not for me to divulge what you were doing instead
of coming to Amfest. But I wanted to get you.
I mean, if you want to go there, it's fine
with It's fine with me. But something to do with
Bambie I don't know. But if if you were on
the outside looking in and Amfest, you got to see
(18:47):
all the reactions to it, the reactions of the speeches,
to the disagreements, all of these things I want. I
wanted your help to make sense of it. Sean, what
what do you make of the reactions? But the good
and the bad?
Speaker 10 (18:59):
Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting, not Bamby,
but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome, got him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Good. I saw the fruits of your labor, and I'm impressed.
I'm impressed.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
They're gonna be delicious.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
I got to tell you what I've always loved about Amfest.
I love the energy. I love the number of people
you can get in there. Just like the logistical feat
of pulling something like that off, let alone in a
year like this really blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But the thing that I have.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
Always loved about it, about Charlie in particular and kind
of the whole TPUSA vibe, is how ecumenical it is.
He will have or had people all the time where
I was like, Yeah, I don't really like that guy,
and then there'd.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great,
is that we don't have to always agree on everything
all the time for the same reasons, and so I
like having the people up there who can disagree, who
can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is
to build a coalition and that can win elections and
then do what needs to be done to save our country.
So that's what I loved about AMPS this year in particular,
(20:08):
after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy
to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind
of self referential and self focused, and instead the focus
state on the country and the movement and everyone who's
within it, even the people I don't agree with all
the time.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, well said I mean, and Blake, I want to
bring you in for this as well. I mean, there
just seems to be though this there's a rising tide
of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice to
other people that they want to see the disavow very publicly.
They want to see. You know, it just seems like
we hadn't been in that that posture, you hadn't heard
(20:46):
as much of that tone, and all of a sudden
there's there's a lot of voices saying we got to
disavow this, we gotta say this, we gotta we gotta
block this, and I think a lot of it is
a proxy war with JD ahead of twenty twenty eight.
But I leave it to you guys, Blake, you first,
what do you make of this this? I mean, because
you you have a you have a little bit of
sympathy I think for that as well. But you're you're
(21:08):
much more reserve, reserved and restrained.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Well, I think I think you want to you have
to divorce.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I think demands that you disavow, that you exclude someone aggressively.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I we know how.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably, so
he hated what he called moral blackmail.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
That was the line he used uh, But I.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Don't think we saw too much of that. I think
we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it
that way. But I think what we saw was you
saw an aggressive posture about how what we should be
talking about, what we should care about most, uh, what
is good or bad behavior? I think, I know, let's
(21:52):
just stay the elephant in the room. A lot of
people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately
after Erica spoke, and I don't think Ben was saying
we need to aggressively cancel people. I think he was
saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Handled certain topics.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
And I think in response to that, many people said, oh,
he's trying to cancel us. I think Ben was going
about it in the way Ben does. Ben is a
very blunt guy. He's going to say exactly what he
means and exactly what he's angry about. And I think
that's going to some people are going to really like that.
Some people are going to find it really irritating, and
that's just that's part of his brand. That's been his
brand for a decade. But I think on the ground,
(22:40):
among attendees, we saw a lot of people who frankly,
they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what
Tucker said, And I think that's really how a lot
of the bass feels.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I think the people who are getting angry enough to.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice
of the coalition overall.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, and they're loud online though, right, Sean. I mean
that's why I wanted to get your perspective in because
to Blake's point, there was there was people in the
audience that like, what what are we fighting about? That?
People had no idea like that. There was that there
was like a you know, a kind of a family
business fight happening, right uh. And then you had people
that were like, we we actually did a show hands
and our members podcast room, and we said who likes
(23:25):
Ben's approach? And about half the hands went up? And
then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach? About half the
hands went up. So it was like it was a
very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception to that. And
to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying we need
to cancel people. Ben was just saying, you know, here
here are my lines, here are my lines in the sand,
you know, take him or leave him. And you know
(23:46):
he wasn't calling us to cancel people either. He was
just sort of festivus for the rest of us. He
was airing his grievances in a public place, and you
know that was his Yeah, we don't, we don't. We
don't tell anybody what to say actually at these things.
So you from the outside, but there is this loud
contingent on x and other forums that are saying it's
(24:07):
time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this
person or that person.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
Yeah, and I mean that's to be expected online. This
is politics, and politics is all about getting your way
so that someone else who you disagree with can't get
their way. So like that's it's just kind of part
and parcel of how politics works.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Again, what I have.
Speaker 10 (24:25):
Always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement
in general. And like my personal philosophy on this is,
if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as
you like. If you're putting points on the board, if
you are bringing people to the table and you're moving
the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you.
Even if I might disagree with you on a whole
bunch of stuff, and that goes for Tucker and Megan
(24:48):
and you and Ben Shapiro and Nicki Minaj or anyone else.
If you were rowing with us and you're not actively
trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country, there's
a there's there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement,
and so I think it's good to have that. And
the other thing to recognize is we're never going to
agree with everyone all the time. I don't agree with
(25:10):
my wife on everything all the time. I don't agree
with my kids on everything all the time. I have
debates in my own head with myself on issues back
and forth. So like it's hard to get full agreement
with people you know and love and care about a
trillion percent, imagine how much more difficult it is going
to be to agree with everyone all the time, people
who you don't know, with different backgrounds and different priorities.
(25:32):
And then you talk about kind of like the online nature,
and there really.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Is such a big divide.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
If you live your entire life on the internet with
the screen in front of you, you are going to
have a very different perspective of where the country is
than if you don't do that. And it obviously, you know,
Twitter or x isn't real life, but it can be
reflective of it. So I don't want to dismiss the
online debates because they're important and they do they do
mean something and they represent real people. But it's important
(26:00):
to be out there talking to normal people, talking to
people who are not online, who are not political obsessives,
because as much as it may pain people like us
to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not
like us.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
They don't look at.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
The world through the lens that we look through it.
And so it's just great to have thirty thousand people,
especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and
their own opinions and getting their perspective, and when they
are out there saying the people who were there, yeah, yeah,
half of us liked it and half of us didn't.
That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good
balance on how to represent the whole of the movement.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah. I mean, I think that's you're echoing so much
of what Jad said in his speech. You know, I
let's go ahead and play some sound from him. One
twenty five, all of you, each and everyone.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics
by running.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
His supporters through endless, self.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Defeating purity tests.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
He says, make a America great again, because every American
is invited.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor,
young or old. And he keeps going on, right he
he He made this point a lot of times. And
it's not that he didn't put boundaries in this speech.
I mean he he basically he condemned anti semitism, He
condemned racism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, and lifted
(27:33):
up merit merit, merit merit. So I sort of just
wonder if people, you know, if they if he didn't
straight up say I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech.
I wonder if anybody would have been like that crowd
would have been happy. You know, he didn't have to
say some people's names.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Which he doesn't. Did condemn him by name the next day, right.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, I mean because he came after his wife, right,
So JD put a big line in the sand on
that and that front. But like listen, I think the
message was clear. I think ninety percent of people heard it,
but I think there's a loud minority online that is
just not going to be happy until you know everybody's
getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro on taking
(28:16):
a howitzer to everybody else in the movement. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
So I think it's when people are doing that, they
are pretending to be mad about mad at him about
one thing, when they're actually mad about another thing. And
with JD, foreign policy is the main thing. JD is
not an interventionist, he's not a neocon. He's very much
a realist and someone who having been involved in America's
wars personally understands that, you know, we need to be
(28:40):
a lot more circumspective about how we get in. And
so when people go after him, it's really a proxy
battle over foreign policy. And I think a lot of people, honestly,
I wish they were just more honest about what the
real issue is, rather than trying to pretend it's something else.
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All right, we have some serious things to talk about
right now. Blake and Sean. The question before you what
is your favorite Christmas movie? And is die Hard a
Christmas movie? The eternal debate.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Let's Sean go first.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
So I for a nostalgia Steake, I love a Christmas story.
My kids hate it. I love it. It's what I
grew up watching. I will say no, die Hard is
not a Christmas movie. And the thing that perplexes me
to this day what do they do in having a
work party on Christmas Eve?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It was a Christmas party. It was their Christmas party
for the office. But yeah, it was way too late.
It is too late my favorite Christmas movie? First of all,
say Diehard definitely not a Christmas movie. It came out
in the summer. It's just a movie set during Christmas.
That is not the same. And then I would say
my favorite you know, you don't hear about it as much.
(30:58):
I think I might fall back on on Home Alone.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Home Alone is a really good movie.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
It's got really good Christmas themes, not just the funny stuff,
the stuff with the man with his daughter, his a
strange son. That stuff is really beautiful to watch as
an adult. I didn't appreciate it as much as a kid.
I really love that stuff.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I should watch it again.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
This is Christmas. Oh, I have the dude abides Christmas sweater. Yes,
that is the dude from Big Lebowski. You can judge
me all you want, but the dude abides. Yes. Diehard
is a Christmas movie. Yes, it was released in the summer,
but it was a set on Christmas eve. Man, It's
like it's perfectly situated. It lives eternally. This is why
(31:37):
every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch lists streaming.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
No, this is like a gen x irony thing, like
it's funny to go haha.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
It's set during Christmas.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It's technically a Christmas movie, but it's just it is
a movie set during Christmas. It doesn't have any Christmas
themes about yes, damn.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Come on reuniting with his wife. I mean they're like.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Movie way like the lesson of Diehard is then like
you can you can like get back with your wife
by killing a bunch of terrorists.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Not like that. Everyone knows that, you know, getting over
your hang ups or something.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know it's oh my god. Well listen, I gotta
take your shoes Blank for Studio agrees with me, and yeah,
Posto's chiming into. He says, The Lion, the Witch and
the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
I gotta take your shoes on irony thing that that's
a millennial affectation. Gen X doesn't do faux irony. That's
very much a millennial thing effect.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, how dare you think?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Right here? So the but my favorite Christmas movie is
absolutely It's a wonderful life and I love I love
like the nineteen eighties what is it nineteen eighty three
Christmas Carol or something. I forget what I forget. I
just I know we have it on the the we
bought it, so we watch it. I forget which one
it is, but it was like the nineteen eighties one
(32:57):
and my daughter actually loves it and she's seven, and
it's so I like watching it with her. That's my
whole plan. Everybody's like, what are you doing this Christmas?
I'm watching Christmas movies. As soon as I'm done today,
I'm clocking out, turning the phone off. We're doing hot
cocoa and pajamas and we're watching Christmas movies. I plan
to gain at least four pounds.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Hot coco to insulate yourself from the cold sixty five
degree wins of Santa Barbara.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, well, listen, I'm trying to I'm trying to stay warm.
I will tell you so, Hey, Sean, let me know
what you think here. So, I think a lot of
these battles just sorry, I got to make it serious
for the last three minutes we have here. A lot
of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy.
Why is that issue in particular? Is it just because
(33:46):
the military industrial complex? Is it because there's so much
money involved? It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display.
What what drives the foreign policy debate? When we have
a whole country to govern? Why is that always such
a big deal.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, it's such a good question. Obviously.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
I think the money involved is a big thing. You know,
how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq
and Afghanistan? And then when those were finally wound down,
it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars
to Ukraine. Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime change
in Venezuela, which obviously would be a terrible idea. So
money is a huge thing. I also think there is
(34:24):
a very large I don't want to say it's totally
moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the
back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's
lives and other people's money to do things which they
think are morally right to do. It's kind of the
COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent. Oh,
(34:46):
I'm not doing this to help myself. I'm trying to
keep you safe. I think there is a large segment
of people who really really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it,
almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it. I
think it's that plus the plus the money. And then
also there are people who just genuinely think we need
to be involved everywhere. Why are we big and powerful
(35:08):
and why do we have this role if we're not
just gonna go be the world police.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I think there are people who legitimately believe that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, and you know, Charlie used to rail against people
being fixated and fascinated about foreign abstractions. It's somehow I
think Honestly, when you get into a position of power
or political office, it's easier to sort of think about
others far and away and ignore the problems right at
your doorstep because those are harder and and you know
it might reflect poorly on your own self. So blake
(35:37):
take us home.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Yeah, I think I think Sean's exactly right. People do
get they get fixated on these big, abstract thing I think, honestly,
it's almost I think it's a lot of people who
get into politics and get into government are kind of
nerds and dorks and they remember being kids and they
liked the idea, Oh, I'm moving these like big the
(36:00):
I can move these armies. It'd be so cool if
I was Alexander the Great. It'd be so cool if
I was Napoleon. And then they get into government and
they kind of get to fill these fantasies. That sounds
like the wrong word gods when that comes to mind. Yeah,
god complex or just self importance, a lot of self importance.
And you certainly see that in DC all the time,
(36:22):
and it's really annoying.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
And this Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to earth.
He's God and we are not him. So that's our
message to all the godlike complex folks. Thanks Sean, we'll
see soon.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 10 (36:42):
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