December 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Megyn Kelly was conspicuously quiet during dramatic events early this month. In her CK Exclusives sit-down interview at AmFest, Megyn explains how she was involved in the background of the Erika Kirk/Candace Owens meeting, then discusses her attitude on intra-right denunciations and the Israel issue, before fielding questions from the audience.
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Speaker 1 (01:10):
So, Megan, you know what we're going to talk about here. It's,
of course the affordability crisis. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean,
like you know, thank you for joining us and making
the time you are in demand. You went from one
thing to the next and next you had a delay
getting here. So I just want to give Megan Kelly
serious kudos that she still showed up for all of
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you and for this podcast. God bless you for that.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I would not, of course love you guys, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Love you, Megan. So I do want to give you
a chance to just kind of people didn't understand the
role you were playing behind the scenes, and I understood it,
and I wasn't I wasn't at liberty to explain what
you were doing behind the scenes. But I actually think
I want to say thank you because there was very
few people that could have filled that role that you
(01:59):
were attempting to play, and you were holding your fire
even though your audience was like demanding you weigh in
on certain things and you didn't. You were disciplined and professional.
So I know exactly what you did and why you
did it, and I want to vouch for you as
a third party that understood why you were, you know,
remaining out of the fray, and you took a lot
of heat from that, what was that? Like, you know,
(02:20):
so thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, it's annoying to me to be attacked by people
who don't know what they're talking about. Right, So it's
one thing if you have your doubt's like why isn't
she saying this about that or this about the other thing?
And then maybe you reach out to me and say,
is there another reason? Like is there something I don't know?
But to see people who I consider like long term
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friends go out and publicly call me a coward when
you and I both know how much we've talked behind
the scenes about how to handle this problem. What are
the options? What do we all think is the best option?
You too, Blake. We could do this, we could do this,
we could do that, Let's try this. Maybe we'll do
a baby step this way. You know, we've all been
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talking for months and then it graduated to you know,
it was ramping up. And then Erica called me and uh,
it was her. It was her idea to meet with Candace,
and she said I want to do it. And I
originally said, are you sure you want to do that? Like,
you know, Candace said, one word from you will silence this,
(03:26):
and maybe you just have to give her a word.
Maybe if you just send her a note or a.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Letter, try try peace.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Like maybe maybe Candace wants an off ramp potentially, I
don't know. I don't know kandas that well, I know
her a little. I've gotten to know her a little
better over the past few months. So but Erica really
didn't want to do that. She thought it was important
that it be like an in person meeting and that
she allow herself to be subjected to whatever questions Candace had.
And she said, will you please be a part of
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that with me, like will you go with me? And
of course I said, yes, I'll go. And at that
I felt it was I was very lucky that I
hadn't been leading attacks against Candace, because I mean, obviously
I disagreed with her on all the things she said
about you guys have turning. But when I said that
on my show many times, I mean, it made very
clear to everybody I don't agree with these theories and
(04:15):
this is what I think happened, and all the evidence
suggests it is this man and whatever. But I was
very happy that I hadn't gone scorched earth on Candace
Owens because I was in a position where I would
have been acceptable to her, And sure enough she and
I had a text exchange shortly after mine with Erica
where she was like, I'm glad it's you. Yes, I'll
do it, and I just just excuse me, just saw
(04:38):
Erica backstage and she said, you can say whatever. You
can tell everybody what's happened. But the original plan was
that we were going to have a live stream on
the day. You guys were going to do the live
stream in Arizona was the first plan. Erica, Candace and
yours truly as more of a facilitator, those two were
going to do it, and I was going to there
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just to keep everybody within the lines. And then Candace
said she was facing a security threat out here in
Arizona and that she couldn't she wasn't going to come.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Erica said, I'll come to you, which I was surprised
Erica said that, you know, because if Erica didn't really
want to do this, she easily could have been like okay,
I offered, but she was like, no, well I'll come
to Nashville try it again. So I was like, wow,
Like Eric's strong, She's like she's going through a lot
right now, and she's got her kids and she had
just come off of like Charlie's book tour, was in
the middle of it, so it was like a lot
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and I will say, to her credit, Candace actually wound
up saying okay to that though they the live stream
idea died, and they wound up deciding that they would
just meet the two of them since they weren't going
to put this out on the airwaves. Republic consumption consumption,
which was fine with me, and I thought that was
a good idea. And look, I mean, it's up to
them to talk about, you know, what did and did
not happen there. But my the initial impression, I think
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it's fair to say from both women was that it
went it went well, and that it ended in a
much better place than where it started. Now will that
hold what's more fragile, the Gaza peace fire or this situation.
I know Eric is not going to do anything. The
question is where's Candice is going to take And I've
seen what she's doing this week. I really don't know.
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My only goal all along has been to try not
to take sides. Not the turning point thing, but in
the Israel battle. That's happening in the conservative movement such
that I can make room for people who are upset
with Israel and not fans of Israel's behavior, and still,
you know, have room for the people who are ardently
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pro Israel, as I have been, as Charlie was for
all those years. And then that morph like it started
off like an insistence that I condemned the people who
were anti Israel into an insistence that I condemn every
single iteration of what they were saying forevermore. And then
it felt to blmy for me, and I was like,
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It reminds me of what Russell Brand said from stage,
where he was just like, I'm so against it, like authority,
I have to rage against it, and it was there
is a thing you have. Tucker's kind of like that too.
When you tell Tucker he can't talk about something, He's
going to talk about it, like do if you want
him to talk about it, just do the reverse psychology
with Tucker. You cannot talk about UFOs and then the
guy's going to just go all in on UFOs for
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like a year ago, and that was Charlie too.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Where people would say, don't have Tucker at the event
and I remember him saying I might have to invite
him twice.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Now, yeah, he just got two speeches. Yeah, we're going
to do two speeches.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And it was just that was what he said. He
hated moral blackmail. Yes, if you want to make the
argument that he's wrong, he'd listen to that. With that
argument of you should feel strong armed into not associating
with him, he just despised that we Well.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's like it's not enough that you're not a critic,
Like you're not okay, So somebody like a Ben Shapiro
doesn't like the critics of Israel or whatever his latest
point is. Now he's trying to say it's all about Erica,
but it's about Israel. So he doesn't like the people
who are critics of Israel. But then he also wants
to can them and excommunicate people who aren't critics of
the critics. They also need to go. So who will
(08:04):
be standing when Ben is done with us? Truly? Like
who It'll be Ben and Barry Weiss, It'll be great.
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Speaker 1 (09:12):
Forward slash Charlie, I did notice a tweet that you
put out about an hour and a half ago. Whenever
people watch this, so I don't know when that will
be But were you talking about something that I said
this backstage. I was like, that is exactly what Charlie
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would have said. And you said something about, you know,
friends should pick up the phone and call you if
they have a problem instead of sneak attack. And I
didn't know exactly who you were directing that at, but
it was Ben or Barry or both way to read.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It both okay, yeah, we got only cowards take to
the national stage or x to attack their friends without
so much as a phone call to discuss it. And
also didn't tag me because she is afraid laughing emoji,
laughing emoji, laughing emoji.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I was retweeting a tweet by Barry Weiss which reads,
oh I can get that too, Yeah, it's attached.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
It was Barry said, only cowards tolerate conspiracy theorists. Ben
Shapiro delivered a barn burner tonight at TPUSA. Read the
whole thing in the Free Press, and I think it's
just a link to his address.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay, so let me just tell you something. Barry Weiss
over the past five years has been like a good
friend of mine. I have advised her in her many
legal battles she's had I have advised her on her
failed nonprofit that she tried. I have constantly been there
to help her through any sort of tumultuous thing that
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came her way. We've had drinks together. Like I know
Barry Weiss, Ben Shapiro has been coming on my show
since twenty eleven. Nobody knew who he was. I literally
helped make Ben Shapiro's name for him. So I have
a lot of very positive experiences in the well with
both of these folks, and they know that I've been
very pro Israel. So what in the actual.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Eleven year olds? Eleven year olds got job? I know
Charlie doesn't Charlie always say that, he would say he's
I always remember there's eleven year olds listening, and I
love that. It's such a guiding life from me.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
But yes, so yeah, So I very much felt like
this is so out of line, This is so uncalled for.
Who wouldn't call me? These guys are they actually know me?
I'm in both of their cell phones, they have my number.
Who wouldn't just call me up and say, is there
something else going on here that I need to know? Right? Like?
What's going on? Nope, it's it's more fun to go
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out on the stage and call a dear friend and
Ben couch it with, oh, she's a friend with friends
like that and call them a coward. Okay, take it
up with Erica.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know I did this earlier. I'm not going to
do it again. I asked the audience, you know, did
you appreciate the Ben Shapiro approach? And about half the
hands went up, and I said, do you appreciate the
Tucker approach? Half the hands went up, sometimes the same hand, Yeah,
because like this, yeah, one of these. It is very
interesting when you look at the divisions on the right,
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you know. And that's why I started this conversation by
praising that you were trying to be a peacemaker, that
you were trying to hold your fire, and you were
actually trying to do the right thing. Where you were
strategically doing something which people interpreted as cowardice, you were
actually playing a long game to help bring peace to
a situation that was pretty volatile. And that's why I
want people to know that why you did what you did,
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Why I did not personally take offense, why I was
you know, all that thing, all those things, but the
divisions are are real and they do tend to come
down along this. A lot of this is the Israel.
It's the neo con it's the Israel issue. And you know,
it's funny. I got a press inquiry going about that.
We just celebrated a one of the hostages on stage
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and they were at the music festival five hundred and
five days in captivity, and they're like, well with all
the Israel stuff, you know, And I was like, wait,
are you conflating a foreign policy debate with whether or
not it's okay for somebody to be held hostage for
five hundred and five days? Why have we lost our
ever loving minds about.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Some leftist statement? The leftist refused to celebrate when Trump
got the hostages out. It was like those emotional videos
of the hostage is being released, Like if you can't
celebrate that, you've lost your grip on humanity. But there's
no question Israel is dividing the conservative movement right now.
And may I just say, for the record, I strongly object.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm sorry. I say it's.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Deeply wrong that we would ever divide America over a
foreign country. I do think there is a contingent within
the pro Israeli group that is Israel first. They really are.
They're proving it every day, and you know, this is
some of what I'm going to talk about tonight. But
I don't see it that way at all. I'm not
the people who are my enemy are the people who
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shot Charlie Kirk. It's the people who want all of
us dead because we're at a turning point convention. It
is not someone who doesn't like Israel or bb net
in Yahoo or even somebody who has some negative associations
with not Jewish people writ large, but with the Jewish
activists who are a bunch of bullies. I understand the
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criticism against them because I've been on the receiving end
of it, notwithstanding the fact that I've never said one
word against Israel, not one word. It's my failure to
condemn as if I am mother of the Internet. It's ridiculous.
So I really think these the pro Israel advocates, like
the most loud and outspoken ones, are the ones who
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are tearing the movement apart.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, it was interesting because there was a lot made
after Charlie was assassinated about the meeting in the Hamptons,
like it became this like, oh it all went down
to the Hamptons and that's why Charlie's dead. And you know,
it's funny. I talked to Charlie and he's like, I
was kind of boring whatever, And I talked to all
the team. Nothing like exceptional. Really that exceptional happened, at
least in Charlie's mind. And I asked him. I was like,
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what was the whole point of the Hampton saying? He
was like, oh, it is an intervention. I was like,
for them on you or you on them. He's like, oh, yeah,
for me on them. I needed to tell like my
Jewish friends, like they're they're causing more damage than they
are good and they're driving people away. And I and
you know, And then another thing that went viral was
you and Charlie's conversation on your show right after that, Yeah,
where he was just like so annoyed at the moral
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blackmailing and it's like, we are we are your friends.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You know, you don't you found it repulsive?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah? He did, and I and you know, and I
try and have a sensitivity for it, and I sympathize
with it because you know, just like you, I have
been pro Israel my whole life. I've never really even
questioned it. You know, I like them better than the
other guys, you know, like that as an American. I mean,
you know we have similar enemies. You know, I love
the Holy Land. I love like that my Lord and
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Savior walked there, you know, and that they are good
stewards of a lot of those holy sites. But you know,
when you get to a point where you're like your friend,
your friends have gone through this traumatic situation of over seventh,
you try and have sympathy for that and understand that
it's been a traumatic experience, but you know, we have
to find a way through here, a third way through.
(16:09):
And I think that's what Charlie was doing. He was
trying to fight for a larger conversation that more people
could feel a part of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I agree both of us were, and that's why when
he came on that show. You and I've talked about
this many times. But when he came on my show
on August sixth, which was post the intervention, we were
not planning on discussing Israel. I'm trying to get my
exact timing right, because he came on once a month,
so I think that was the August sixth one. We
were not planning on discussing Israel at all. I just knew.
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I knew from seeing him at the Student Action Summit
where we had a backstage exchange, that he had had it,
and I was feeling the same. I was like, this
isn't very annoying. I had said almost nothing about Israel. Literally,
I'd gone on Piers Morgan and said, I think it's
time to wrap it up for them, because their approval
rating is plummeting. Like the popularity of Israel and Yahoo
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in America. They've already lost the liberals, they've love independence,
they're starting to lose Republicans, especially the young people, which
is who Charlie spent his life surrounded by. So he
knew too. And for that the brigade turned and they
were very, very angry that I said at the Studentational
Summit that Epstein, if he was being controlled by anybody,
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any sort of foreign intelligence service, it was probably Masad
anti semit that's an anti Semitic. Literally Benjamin Netanyah who
just sent out a tweet saying that within the past
twenty days is he anti Semitic. So it's like both
of us were feeling this is insane, Like if they'll
do this to two ardent advocates who have been on
their side openly and avowedly for two years now, since
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ten to seven, not to mention before that, then they'll
do this to anybody. And it really did cause me
to start looking harder at some of the claims that
they've been throwing out of anti Semitic and to your point, Andrew,
I'm going to say something else, and this is their fault?
Is this is their fault. I've also been somebody who's
knee jerk supported Israel my whole life, and then I
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got to Fox and you had to It was not
a question like you must support Israel, which was fine
because that was my natural inclination anyway. But it's only
now that I'm starting to reevaluate do I support Israel? Like?
What is it about Israel that I support? Why have
I been so knee jerk defensive of them? Is there
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another side to consider? Have I been? Have I been
intolerant of people who have a different argument on this?
And do I need to do some soul searching on
my certainty about what white hat warriors they are? And
I'm telling you it is not Hamas or the Palestinian
protesters on Columbia campus who got me to start thinking
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that way. It is the bullies who are trying to
censor speech on our side about this issue.
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Speaker 4 (19:53):
And it really is something about it being used as
a weapon, because I remember one that was very upsetting
to Charlie. It was in twenty three, remember where he
just Charlie speculated, did they have reason that they should
have caught the attack on to Yeah, happened.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Even I'm Patrick bit David's podcast and speculated. He speculated.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It was like he didn't say it was an inside job,
but he was like they're so good.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, someone that yeah, like, how did this happen?
They need to find it out or did someone you
know downplay it or ignore something? And he gets denounced
as an anti Semite by someone in one of those
op eds. And it was I strongly suspect that that
attack it was someone who already just didn't like turning point.
They didn't like Charlie's position on the RNC.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They didn't Three of them that did it, yes, and
their names will not be mentioned because it's not worth Yeah,
it's not worth it.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But they just saw this as some sort of opportunity
to attack Charlie, and to use an attack that's severe
in such a cynical way was very right.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And then without looking at all at Charlie's prior history
of supporting Israel, and this is going Israel and so on.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, and we had young Jewish leadership summits, we sent
students to Israel to experience the Holy Land, mostly Christians
by the way. And then what happened is this is
how these lies get laundered. So these tweets go out
In twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, at the rn C,
these New York Times journalists have to pump out like
six stories a day, eight and when they're used to
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doing like one a week, right, so they're not doing
their normal fact checking. The New York Times it was
a Jewish writer out of Chicago. Forget his name, actually
off the top of my head, but he puts out
like a headline. There's maybe four hundred and fifty words story.
Charlie Kirk, long known to have anti Semitic whatever, is
speaking at the rn C, one of Israel's biggest supporters,
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is labeled in the New York Times as an anti
semi Then what happens. Charlie gets up to the stage
at the RNC starts giving his address. It's a huge
moment for Charlie and CNN Jake Tapper. They cut away
from Charlie's speech and Jake Tapper goes well, puts out
the New York Times article and goes, Charlie's long had
a reputation and a history of vile anti Semitism, and
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it's like all fake, It's all fake. And I'm on
the phone going, like, you know, I'm my job is
to like yell at the reporter and like, you know,
Dennis Praeger and actually Mark Levin, God bless them both.
They I forced the New York Times to basically take
their quotes and say this is BS and garbage. But
the damage was done from three bad faith tweets to
his twenty twenty four R and C speech and all
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of a sudden, he's labeled as this, and he's like,
what does a guy gotta do to not be just like,
you know, you know, labeled with the scarlet letter.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, no, it's the anatomy of a smear. Yes, but
I like, look, I this sounds so trite, but truly.
Almost all of my closest friends are Jewish. Just so.
I mean, I've been living on the Upper West Side
of Manhattan for the past ten years, and I really
believe that there is a serious objection, even amongst a
lot of Jewish Americans to the bullies. Because you could
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write an article like this, that's the end, That's what
you just told us is the anatomy of a smear.
But you could you could write a similar article, the
making of an anti Semite, that would start with these
bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm. This is
no way to get people over to your side. It
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is it is BLM, and they really need to listen
to me, because I have an unblemished record on support
for israel I. Do not to mention American Jews, of
whom I was extremely defensive. I wanted all those guys
deported at Brown and Columbia, all these people who are
visa holders out there protesting globalize the Intifadic, get out,
get out. We don't want anti semix here. But they
(23:30):
need to look internally. These these bullies are running this coalition.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It's the Black Square from BLM. You're right, if you
didn't post it, then you're you're a racist, and it's
it's there is an element of that with the identity
politics of it all, with with when we're when we're
discussing Israel.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I mean, you remember Charlie's tweet that you that you
put out now as tweet your internal message, the one
that you gave the Okay, well, but it's said it's said.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
In there, like, what what do you mean.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'm not revealing it already revealed as well ago, but
like it said something like and look, it wasn't perfectly phrased.
We said something like these Jewish donors are behaving like
so according to stereotype or something like that, which I
know that's not polite. He was loosely talking.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
As by the way, this is a private conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But I know what he was trying to say. He
was like, you're doing the thing that people stereotype you
for doing that most of us defend you against. To me,
that's what he was saying.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, and there was a larger conversation that you know,
Charlie was toying with this idea of like maybe maybe
we just were defending Western civilization. You get to be
a part of that. That was kind of one of
the ideas we're throwing out. But you know, the issue was,
you know, Charlie is not Jewish, and he would go
to some of these campuses and you know, you're wrestling
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with young people over these ideologies and these ideas, and
he would get fifty to sixty percent of his questions
at some campuses on this one issue. He made Blake
read like forty eight books about Israel just to like
arm him, like with like you.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
That's what we were doing the night before, was we
were war planning if you get all these questions about it,
because we just knew it could be an absolute bombardment
on that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Were you seeing young conservatives start to ask more questions?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That's all it was. That was fifty the questions, So
sometimes it was it was really big.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I just remember, very shortly after I started with Charlie,
I was telling him because he'd already had that the
Groper experience in twenty nineteen where they would spam him,
but I think he had compartmentalized that, and shortly after
I started, I was telling him, Charlie, this is going
to be coming. There's going to be a huge wave
of more anti overt anti Semitism on the right among
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young people, because that's just that's clearly what the trend
is headed towards, and he took that to heart. I
saw him bring that up in conversations with people, and
he was trying to give them a heads up. And
that's what would cause a lot of this anger is
he would come to them and love and say, guys,
you have a huge problem coming and you need to
adjust your strategy or you're going to be caught really
(26:06):
badly off guard. And unfortunately, I think a lot of
them didn't take that advice, and we're seeing his warning
come to pass totally.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Good conversation is about showing respect. It's how we create
a space where people are able to share their ideas
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Speaker 1 (27:11):
Should we take a few questions? I could love this conversation,
but I would love to do We have a microphone,
let's get a few and Daisy, you're gonna tell me
when we need to wrap her because she's got to
get to what's that? Oh you did?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, let's we don't have Let's just let let's just
let them get it to Megan and hopefully we can get.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Through two three. First question for Megan, please over here.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
When all your friends and people you work with are
fighting with each other, do you when you and you
stay out of it, but you also stand for what's right?
What is some advice do you have for a young
girl to do the exact same thing? Oh that's sweet,
thank you for asking that. I mean I think you can,
and what I've tried to do from the beginning on this,
I think you can show empathy for both sides and
their positions. And you know, in the case of the
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Israel divide, that was kind of easy for me because
I knew I knew people on both sides, like Glenn
Greenwald and Ben Shapiro are diametrically opposed on this issue
and have been for a long time, both Jewish, both Jewish,
and they both come on my show regularly for years,
so I know them very well. And so I could
listen to Glenn talk about Israel in a way that
I didn't really agree with at all, but he's so
(28:17):
smart that I and I love him. He would educate me,
you know, I've learned some things about Israel. Was like, oh,
that's actually not great. Okay, that's good to know. And
then I talked to Ben and he'd have good defenses
on these things, and we'd go back and forth. So
I think you have to make space. I'm sorry, I
hate that a phrase for both sides. It's very ho
to copy, but.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You didn't say safe space.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah exactly, They're all bad anyway, show some empathy, like
actually try to listen to the friends about their grievances,
and it doesn't have to be it doesn't. That's not
talking about the other friends behind their back. That's you
really trying to understand what the grievances are. And I
generally love the feeling that when you're talking to people,
even if it's people you oppose ideologically or what have you,
(28:55):
if you can give them a couple of points, you're
going to advance the conversation. They're going to like you more,
are they gonna trust you more, and you could make
inroads with them better, as opposed to just being like, well,
I disagree, well you did the you cheated with her boyfriend.
You're terrible. Like maybe it's more like why why would
you do that? Like what was it?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What made you?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Like inquisitive without judgment, I think is the way to
handle it.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Love.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, love, thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I had a second question or a question. So I
have a friend that I go to college with. He's
been you know, he's very involved. He's a geopolitician, you know,
but he's also a liberal. He has been criticizing me
for my support of Israel, and he's been bringing up
history lessons such as the USS liberty, the USS liberty,
(29:47):
I believe attack, yeah happened, And told him, like, why
are we supporting Israel? Literally they're trying to take out
Iran and then including with trying to control Gaza and
trying to and you know they're attacked back on Gaza
after what God Hamas did to Israel. And I told him,
(30:09):
you know, I disagreed with him, but then all of
a sudden, how can I you know, and we could
have civil conversation. But when it comes to when it
comes to trying to criticize Israel or try to like
be soft on the issue. But then when it comes
to Hamas like he tries to justify, not justify it,
(30:31):
but like be light about it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Should go read the Moss Charter and your argument is
going to get a lot better. I think you should
do what we used to do in the law, which
is the best way to argue your side is to
prepare the other sides first, Like go go study what
it is about the anti Israel side that that he's
attracted to that you think is powerful when he makes points,
(30:53):
learn it, understand it, and then go back and start
it and study the pro Israel side and you'll be
much better equipped to have these arts and maybe you'll
change your mind somewhat too. That's fine too, But honestly,
you have to be very careful about the media on
Israel because there are manipulations both ways. It's very heavy
propaganda game here. I trust real clear politics. I go
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there every morning and they'll have op eds from both
the left and the right, including on Israel, and that's
one place that won't corrupt your beautiful mind. So maybe
start there.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, but he's raising a good point about the moral
inconsistencies that are applied to Hamas versus Israel. Israel has
definitely held to a much higher standard, I would say
then than Hamas, and that's because specifically on the left,
because they look at the world through an oppress or
appressed lens, and so if they qualify you as the oppressed,
then basically you can do whatever you want and you're
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not guilty of anything.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Hi, Megan, my name's Ashley, and I just want to
thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I have a quick question, what cultural issue do you
think conservatives should be talking about more?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
But we just aren't.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, I hate to say it, given what's happening this week.
But pot marijuana, Amen, I really do I think like this.
I'm totally against like making it more accessible. And I
understand Trump is trying to make it allegedly more more
accessible for people who need it for medical purposes. But
today's pot is not the pot that we were up
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with back in the eighties. Though I've never tried pot,
do you believe it? Yeah, never tried a drug of
any kind of other than alcohol.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
There we go, we're either the body nor the mind. Yeah,
but it was actually I was you do it? No,
I was. I was on a basketball party one of
those again, and and uh, totally I went total paranoid. Yeah,
(32:48):
I hate it. That doesn't sound it was terrible, terrible experience.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, I do think marijuana is like going to it's
already posing a serious problem. And one of the things
we're seeing in these mass shootings is marijuana comes up
over and over and it comes up. You probably haven't
even heard that because it's like a footnote to the reporting.
Nobody's like giving that credence as possibly one of the
factors playing in And they should just read Alex Berenson
(33:14):
and what's in today's marijuana.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Was here today debating why he's against weed. And actually,
anytime with this debate would come up, we'd bring Alex
Barnson on.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
He's phenomenal on this as always turning points ahead of curve.
They're on it for you. But yeah, that would be
my answer.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah. No. And by the way, even with the story
with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigg's assassin of Charlie alleged,
I guess I don't know if I'm legally supposed to
do whatever he did it. But the point is, you
know they were just sitting around an apartment like vaping THHC,
just constantly, just and so you imagine how the potency
(33:47):
of it and the the psych what do you call it,
the psychosis, Yeah, psychotropic effects of THHC and that high dosages.
I mean, and if you're young and you're using a
lot of a lot of weed, it can really impact
the rest of your life. It can really lead to
some very terrible things. So I love that answer.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Look at those videos of that Ascension school shooter. The
most disturbing things I saw this year, those awful, awful
you know this school in Minneapolis where this shooter killed
children going to their their Christian School into the church,
and he's showing all all these demons in his photos.
He sees himself as a demons giggling to him everyone
(34:28):
he's smoking weed. In every video he's smoking weed, and
it's like no one talked about it, like Okay, it's sup.
It's just like a like half a glass of shiblee,
which it's not.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, I'm a I'm a complete believer that when
you use hard drugs or maybe just a lot of THHC,
which is a hard drug, actually when it's at those dosages,
that it's a highway to hell, that it opens you
up to dark forces because you lose control of the
things that God gave you to control your mind and
your heart and to keep bad things out.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
I want of the thing. The guy who started the
psychedelics clinic at Johns Hopkins University and was the godfather
of psychedelics, all this other MDNNA and all the stuff
that people take. Ketamine, he told me in an interview.
We did that if you if there's any history of
schizophrenia in your family, any and it can go way
(35:21):
back and we don't know, and you go in even
in a controlled setting, which she said is the only
way you should ever do one of those drugs. Some
people do it for cancer depression. You know, there are reasons,
there are good reasons to try it. You can have
a psychotic break from which you never return. Yeah, you
never return. It's very dangerous what these people are playing with.
(35:42):
And that Lance Twigs like I think that one of
the reports was that he had mushrooms in.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
There, d off black market HRT hormone replacement therapy.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
The guy was all of that must be looked into.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, well this was uplifting. Megan Kelly. Give it up
for Maggie Kelly, everybody.
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Speaker 1 (01:10):
So, Megan, you know what we're going to talk about here. It's,
of course the affordability crisis. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean,
like you know, thank you for joining us and making
the time you are in demand. You went from one
thing to the next and next you had a delay
getting here. So I just want to give Megan Kelly
serious kudos that she still showed up for all of
(01:32):
you and for this podcast. God bless you for that.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I would not, of course love you guys, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Love you, Megan. So I do want to give you
a chance to just kind of people didn't understand the
role you were playing behind the scenes, and I understood it,
and I wasn't I wasn't at liberty to explain what
you were doing behind the scenes. But I actually think
I want to say thank you because there was very
few people that could have filled that role that you
(01:59):
were attempting to play, and you were holding your fire
even though your audience was like demanding you weigh in
on certain things and you didn't. You were disciplined and professional.
So I know exactly what you did and why you
did it, and I want to vouch for you as
a third party that understood why you were, you know,
remaining out of the fray, and you took a lot
of heat from that, what was that? Like, you know,
(02:20):
so thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, it's annoying to me to be attacked by people
who don't know what they're talking about. Right, So it's
one thing if you have your doubt's like why isn't
she saying this about that or this about the other thing?
And then maybe you reach out to me and say,
is there another reason? Like is there something I don't know?
But to see people who I consider like long term
(02:42):
friends go out and publicly call me a coward when
you and I both know how much we've talked behind
the scenes about how to handle this problem. What are
the options? What do we all think is the best option?
You too, Blake. We could do this, we could do this,
we could do that, Let's try this. Maybe we'll do
a baby step this way. You know, we've all been
(03:03):
talking for months and then it graduated to you know,
it was ramping up. And then Erica called me and uh,
it was her. It was her idea to meet with Candace,
and she said I want to do it. And I
originally said, are you sure you want to do that? Like,
you know, Candace said, one word from you will silence this,
(03:26):
and maybe you just have to give her a word.
Maybe if you just send her a note or a.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Letter, try try peace.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Like maybe maybe Candace wants an off ramp potentially, I
don't know. I don't know kandas that well, I know
her a little. I've gotten to know her a little
better over the past few months. So but Erica really
didn't want to do that. She thought it was important
that it be like an in person meeting and that
she allow herself to be subjected to whatever questions Candace had.
And she said, will you please be a part of
(03:55):
that with me, like will you go with me? And
of course I said, yes, I'll go. And at that
I felt it was I was very lucky that I
hadn't been leading attacks against Candace, because I mean, obviously
I disagreed with her on all the things she said
about you guys have turning. But when I said that
on my show many times, I mean, it made very
clear to everybody I don't agree with these theories and
(04:15):
this is what I think happened, and all the evidence
suggests it is this man and whatever. But I was
very happy that I hadn't gone scorched earth on Candace
Owens because I was in a position where I would
have been acceptable to her, And sure enough she and
I had a text exchange shortly after mine with Erica
where she was like, I'm glad it's you. Yes, I'll
do it, and I just just excuse me, just saw
(04:38):
Erica backstage and she said, you can say whatever. You
can tell everybody what's happened. But the original plan was
that we were going to have a live stream on
the day. You guys were going to do the live
stream in Arizona was the first plan. Erica, Candace and
yours truly as more of a facilitator, those two were
going to do it, and I was going to there
(05:00):
just to keep everybody within the lines. And then Candace
said she was facing a security threat out here in
Arizona and that she couldn't she wasn't going to come.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Erica said, I'll come to you, which I was surprised
Erica said that, you know, because if Erica didn't really
want to do this, she easily could have been like okay,
I offered, but she was like, no, well I'll come
to Nashville try it again. So I was like, wow,
Like Eric's strong, She's like she's going through a lot
right now, and she's got her kids and she had
just come off of like Charlie's book tour, was in
the middle of it, so it was like a lot
(05:36):
and I will say, to her credit, Candace actually wound
up saying okay to that though they the live stream
idea died, and they wound up deciding that they would
just meet the two of them since they weren't going
to put this out on the airwaves. Republic consumption consumption,
which was fine with me, and I thought that was
a good idea. And look, I mean, it's up to
them to talk about, you know, what did and did
not happen there. But my the initial impression, I think
(05:58):
it's fair to say from both women was that it
went it went well, and that it ended in a
much better place than where it started. Now will that
hold what's more fragile, the Gaza peace fire or this situation.
I know Eric is not going to do anything. The
question is where's Candice is going to take And I've
seen what she's doing this week. I really don't know.
(06:19):
My only goal all along has been to try not
to take sides. Not the turning point thing, but in
the Israel battle. That's happening in the conservative movement such
that I can make room for people who are upset
with Israel and not fans of Israel's behavior, and still,
you know, have room for the people who are ardently
(06:39):
pro Israel, as I have been, as Charlie was for
all those years. And then that morph like it started
off like an insistence that I condemned the people who
were anti Israel into an insistence that I condemn every
single iteration of what they were saying forevermore. And then
it felt to blmy for me, and I was like,
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It reminds me of what Russell Brand said from stage,
where he was just like, I'm so against it, like authority,
I have to rage against it, and it was there
is a thing you have. Tucker's kind of like that too.
When you tell Tucker he can't talk about something, He's
going to talk about it, like do if you want
him to talk about it, just do the reverse psychology
with Tucker. You cannot talk about UFOs and then the
guy's going to just go all in on UFOs for
(07:19):
like a year ago, and that was Charlie too.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Where people would say, don't have Tucker at the event
and I remember him saying I might have to invite
him twice.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Now, yeah, he just got two speeches. Yeah, we're going
to do two speeches.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And it was just that was what he said. He
hated moral blackmail. Yes, if you want to make the
argument that he's wrong, he'd listen to that. With that
argument of you should feel strong armed into not associating
with him, he just despised that we Well.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's like it's not enough that you're not a critic,
Like you're not okay, So somebody like a Ben Shapiro
doesn't like the critics of Israel or whatever his latest
point is. Now he's trying to say it's all about Erica,
but it's about Israel. So he doesn't like the people
who are critics of Israel. But then he also wants
to can them and excommunicate people who aren't critics of
the critics. They also need to go. So who will
(08:04):
be standing when Ben is done with us? Truly? Like
who It'll be Ben and Barry Weiss, It'll be great.
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Speaker 1 (09:12):
Forward slash Charlie, I did notice a tweet that you
put out about an hour and a half ago. Whenever
people watch this, so I don't know when that will
be But were you talking about something that I said
this backstage. I was like, that is exactly what Charlie
(09:33):
would have said. And you said something about, you know,
friends should pick up the phone and call you if
they have a problem instead of sneak attack. And I
didn't know exactly who you were directing that at, but
it was Ben or Barry or both way to read.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It both okay, yeah, we got only cowards take to
the national stage or x to attack their friends without
so much as a phone call to discuss it. And
also didn't tag me because she is afraid laughing emoji,
laughing emoji, laughing emoji.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I was retweeting a tweet by Barry Weiss which reads,
oh I can get that too, Yeah, it's attached.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
It was Barry said, only cowards tolerate conspiracy theorists. Ben
Shapiro delivered a barn burner tonight at TPUSA. Read the
whole thing in the Free Press, and I think it's
just a link to his address.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay, so let me just tell you something. Barry Weiss
over the past five years has been like a good
friend of mine. I have advised her in her many
legal battles she's had I have advised her on her
failed nonprofit that she tried. I have constantly been there
to help her through any sort of tumultuous thing that
(10:39):
came her way. We've had drinks together. Like I know
Barry Weiss, Ben Shapiro has been coming on my show
since twenty eleven. Nobody knew who he was. I literally
helped make Ben Shapiro's name for him. So I have
a lot of very positive experiences in the well with
both of these folks, and they know that I've been
very pro Israel. So what in the actual.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Eleven year olds? Eleven year olds got job? I know
Charlie doesn't Charlie always say that, he would say he's
I always remember there's eleven year olds listening, and I
love that. It's such a guiding life from me.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
But yes, so yeah, So I very much felt like
this is so out of line, This is so uncalled for.
Who wouldn't call me? These guys are they actually know me?
I'm in both of their cell phones, they have my number.
Who wouldn't just call me up and say, is there
something else going on here that I need to know? Right? Like?
What's going on? Nope, it's it's more fun to go
(11:37):
out on the stage and call a dear friend and
Ben couch it with, oh, she's a friend with friends
like that and call them a coward. Okay, take it
up with Erica.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know I did this earlier. I'm not going to
do it again. I asked the audience, you know, did
you appreciate the Ben Shapiro approach? And about half the
hands went up, and I said, do you appreciate the
Tucker approach? Half the hands went up, sometimes the same hand, Yeah,
because like this, yeah, one of these. It is very
interesting when you look at the divisions on the right,
(12:11):
you know. And that's why I started this conversation by
praising that you were trying to be a peacemaker, that
you were trying to hold your fire, and you were
actually trying to do the right thing. Where you were
strategically doing something which people interpreted as cowardice, you were
actually playing a long game to help bring peace to
a situation that was pretty volatile. And that's why I
want people to know that why you did what you did,
(12:32):
Why I did not personally take offense, why I was
you know, all that thing, all those things, but the
divisions are are real and they do tend to come
down along this. A lot of this is the Israel.
It's the neo con it's the Israel issue. And you know,
it's funny. I got a press inquiry going about that.
We just celebrated a one of the hostages on stage
(12:55):
and they were at the music festival five hundred and
five days in captivity, and they're like, well with all
the Israel stuff, you know, And I was like, wait,
are you conflating a foreign policy debate with whether or
not it's okay for somebody to be held hostage for
five hundred and five days? Why have we lost our
ever loving minds about.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Some leftist statement? The leftist refused to celebrate when Trump
got the hostages out. It was like those emotional videos
of the hostage is being released, Like if you can't
celebrate that, you've lost your grip on humanity. But there's
no question Israel is dividing the conservative movement right now.
And may I just say, for the record, I strongly object.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm sorry. I say it's.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Deeply wrong that we would ever divide America over a
foreign country. I do think there is a contingent within
the pro Israeli group that is Israel first. They really are.
They're proving it every day, and you know, this is
some of what I'm going to talk about tonight. But
I don't see it that way at all. I'm not
the people who are my enemy are the people who
(13:53):
shot Charlie Kirk. It's the people who want all of
us dead because we're at a turning point convention. It
is not someone who doesn't like Israel or bb net
in Yahoo or even somebody who has some negative associations
with not Jewish people writ large, but with the Jewish
activists who are a bunch of bullies. I understand the
(14:16):
criticism against them because I've been on the receiving end
of it, notwithstanding the fact that I've never said one
word against Israel, not one word. It's my failure to
condemn as if I am mother of the Internet. It's ridiculous.
So I really think these the pro Israel advocates, like
the most loud and outspoken ones, are the ones who
(14:38):
are tearing the movement apart.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, it was interesting because there was a lot made
after Charlie was assassinated about the meeting in the Hamptons,
like it became this like, oh it all went down
to the Hamptons and that's why Charlie's dead. And you know,
it's funny. I talked to Charlie and he's like, I
was kind of boring whatever, And I talked to all
the team. Nothing like exceptional. Really that exceptional happened, at
least in Charlie's mind. And I asked him. I was like,
(15:00):
what was the whole point of the Hampton saying? He
was like, oh, it is an intervention. I was like,
for them on you or you on them. He's like, oh, yeah,
for me on them. I needed to tell like my
Jewish friends, like they're they're causing more damage than they
are good and they're driving people away. And I and
you know, And then another thing that went viral was
you and Charlie's conversation on your show right after that, Yeah,
where he was just like so annoyed at the moral
(15:21):
blackmailing and it's like, we are we are your friends.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You know, you don't you found it repulsive?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah? He did, and I and you know, and I
try and have a sensitivity for it, and I sympathize
with it because you know, just like you, I have
been pro Israel my whole life. I've never really even
questioned it. You know, I like them better than the
other guys, you know, like that as an American. I mean,
you know we have similar enemies. You know, I love
the Holy Land. I love like that my Lord and
(15:48):
Savior walked there, you know, and that they are good
stewards of a lot of those holy sites. But you know,
when you get to a point where you're like your friend,
your friends have gone through this traumatic situation of over seventh,
you try and have sympathy for that and understand that
it's been a traumatic experience, but you know, we have
to find a way through here, a third way through.
(16:09):
And I think that's what Charlie was doing. He was
trying to fight for a larger conversation that more people
could feel a part of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I agree both of us were, and that's why when
he came on that show. You and I've talked about
this many times. But when he came on my show
on August sixth, which was post the intervention, we were
not planning on discussing Israel. I'm trying to get my
exact timing right, because he came on once a month,
so I think that was the August sixth one. We
were not planning on discussing Israel at all. I just knew.
(16:37):
I knew from seeing him at the Student Action Summit
where we had a backstage exchange, that he had had it,
and I was feeling the same. I was like, this
isn't very annoying. I had said almost nothing about Israel. Literally,
I'd gone on Piers Morgan and said, I think it's
time to wrap it up for them, because their approval
rating is plummeting. Like the popularity of Israel and Yahoo
(16:57):
in America. They've already lost the liberals, they've love independence,
they're starting to lose Republicans, especially the young people, which
is who Charlie spent his life surrounded by. So he
knew too. And for that the brigade turned and they
were very, very angry that I said at the Studentational
Summit that Epstein, if he was being controlled by anybody,
(17:18):
any sort of foreign intelligence service, it was probably Masad
anti semit that's an anti Semitic. Literally Benjamin Netanyah who
just sent out a tweet saying that within the past
twenty days is he anti Semitic. So it's like both
of us were feeling this is insane, Like if they'll
do this to two ardent advocates who have been on
their side openly and avowedly for two years now, since
(17:39):
ten to seven, not to mention before that, then they'll
do this to anybody. And it really did cause me
to start looking harder at some of the claims that
they've been throwing out of anti Semitic and to your point, Andrew,
I'm going to say something else, and this is their fault?
Is this is their fault. I've also been somebody who's
knee jerk supported Israel my whole life, and then I
(18:00):
got to Fox and you had to It was not
a question like you must support Israel, which was fine
because that was my natural inclination anyway. But it's only
now that I'm starting to reevaluate do I support Israel? Like?
What is it about Israel that I support? Why have
I been so knee jerk defensive of them? Is there
(18:21):
another side to consider? Have I been? Have I been
intolerant of people who have a different argument on this?
And do I need to do some soul searching on
my certainty about what white hat warriors they are? And
I'm telling you it is not Hamas or the Palestinian
protesters on Columbia campus who got me to start thinking
(18:42):
that way. It is the bullies who are trying to
censor speech on our side about this issue.
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Speaker 4 (19:53):
And it really is something about it being used as
a weapon, because I remember one that was very upsetting
to Charlie. It was in twenty three, remember where he
just Charlie speculated, did they have reason that they should
have caught the attack on to Yeah, happened.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Even I'm Patrick bit David's podcast and speculated. He speculated.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It was like he didn't say it was an inside job,
but he was like they're so good.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, someone that yeah, like, how did this happen?
They need to find it out or did someone you
know downplay it or ignore something? And he gets denounced
as an anti Semite by someone in one of those
op eds. And it was I strongly suspect that that
attack it was someone who already just didn't like turning point.
They didn't like Charlie's position on the RNC.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They didn't Three of them that did it, yes, and
their names will not be mentioned because it's not worth Yeah,
it's not worth it.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But they just saw this as some sort of opportunity
to attack Charlie, and to use an attack that's severe
in such a cynical way was very right.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And then without looking at all at Charlie's prior history
of supporting Israel, and this is going Israel and so on.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, and we had young Jewish leadership summits, we sent
students to Israel to experience the Holy Land, mostly Christians
by the way. And then what happened is this is
how these lies get laundered. So these tweets go out
In twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, at the rn C,
these New York Times journalists have to pump out like
six stories a day, eight and when they're used to
(21:14):
doing like one a week, right, so they're not doing
their normal fact checking. The New York Times it was
a Jewish writer out of Chicago. Forget his name, actually
off the top of my head, but he puts out
like a headline. There's maybe four hundred and fifty words story.
Charlie Kirk, long known to have anti Semitic whatever, is
speaking at the rn C, one of Israel's biggest supporters,
(21:34):
is labeled in the New York Times as an anti
semi Then what happens. Charlie gets up to the stage
at the RNC starts giving his address. It's a huge
moment for Charlie and CNN Jake Tapper. They cut away
from Charlie's speech and Jake Tapper goes well, puts out
the New York Times article and goes, Charlie's long had
a reputation and a history of vile anti Semitism, and
(21:55):
it's like all fake, It's all fake. And I'm on
the phone going, like, you know, I'm my job is
to like yell at the reporter and like, you know,
Dennis Praeger and actually Mark Levin, God bless them both.
They I forced the New York Times to basically take
their quotes and say this is BS and garbage. But
the damage was done from three bad faith tweets to
his twenty twenty four R and C speech and all
(22:17):
of a sudden, he's labeled as this, and he's like,
what does a guy gotta do to not be just like,
you know, you know, labeled with the scarlet letter.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, no, it's the anatomy of a smear. Yes, but
I like, look, I this sounds so trite, but truly.
Almost all of my closest friends are Jewish. Just so.
I mean, I've been living on the Upper West Side
of Manhattan for the past ten years, and I really
believe that there is a serious objection, even amongst a
lot of Jewish Americans to the bullies. Because you could
(22:46):
write an article like this, that's the end, That's what
you just told us is the anatomy of a smear.
But you could you could write a similar article, the
making of an anti Semite, that would start with these
bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm. This is
no way to get people over to your side. It
(23:08):
is it is BLM, and they really need to listen
to me, because I have an unblemished record on support
for israel I. Do not to mention American Jews, of
whom I was extremely defensive. I wanted all those guys
deported at Brown and Columbia, all these people who are
visa holders out there protesting globalize the Intifadic, get out,
get out. We don't want anti semix here. But they
(23:30):
need to look internally. These these bullies are running this coalition.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It's the Black Square from BLM. You're right, if you
didn't post it, then you're you're a racist, and it's
it's there is an element of that with the identity
politics of it all, with with when we're when we're
discussing Israel.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I mean, you remember Charlie's tweet that you that you
put out now as tweet your internal message, the one
that you gave the Okay, well, but it's said it's said.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
In there, like, what what do you mean.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'm not revealing it already revealed as well ago, but
like it said something like and look, it wasn't perfectly phrased.
We said something like these Jewish donors are behaving like
so according to stereotype or something like that, which I
know that's not polite. He was loosely talking.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
As by the way, this is a private conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But I know what he was trying to say. He
was like, you're doing the thing that people stereotype you
for doing that most of us defend you against. To me,
that's what he was saying.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, and there was a larger conversation that you know,
Charlie was toying with this idea of like maybe maybe
we just were defending Western civilization. You get to be
a part of that. That was kind of one of
the ideas we're throwing out. But you know, the issue was,
you know, Charlie is not Jewish, and he would go
to some of these campuses and you know, you're wrestling
(24:51):
with young people over these ideologies and these ideas, and
he would get fifty to sixty percent of his questions
at some campuses on this one issue. He made Blake
read like forty eight books about Israel just to like
arm him, like with like you.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
That's what we were doing the night before, was we
were war planning if you get all these questions about it,
because we just knew it could be an absolute bombardment
on that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Were you seeing young conservatives start to ask more questions?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That's all it was. That was fifty the questions, So
sometimes it was it was really big.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I just remember, very shortly after I started with Charlie,
I was telling him because he'd already had that the
Groper experience in twenty nineteen where they would spam him,
but I think he had compartmentalized that, and shortly after
I started, I was telling him, Charlie, this is going
to be coming. There's going to be a huge wave
of more anti overt anti Semitism on the right among
(25:46):
young people, because that's just that's clearly what the trend
is headed towards, and he took that to heart. I
saw him bring that up in conversations with people, and
he was trying to give them a heads up. And
that's what would cause a lot of this anger is
he would come to them and love and say, guys,
you have a huge problem coming and you need to
adjust your strategy or you're going to be caught really
(26:06):
badly off guard. And unfortunately, I think a lot of
them didn't take that advice, and we're seeing his warning
come to pass totally.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Good conversation is about showing respect. It's how we create
a space where people are able to share their ideas
and to be heard. Charlie knew that TikTok has always
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(26:37):
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and respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts
of understanding. You can feel it in the comments, in
the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.
(26:59):
TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion,
and discussion helps us build something.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
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Speaker 1 (27:11):
Should we take a few questions? I could love this conversation,
but I would love to do We have a microphone,
let's get a few and Daisy, you're gonna tell me
when we need to wrap her because she's got to
get to what's that? Oh you did?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, let's we don't have Let's just let let's just
let them get it to Megan and hopefully we can get.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Through two three. First question for Megan, please over here.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
When all your friends and people you work with are
fighting with each other, do you when you and you
stay out of it, but you also stand for what's right?
What is some advice do you have for a young
girl to do the exact same thing? Oh that's sweet,
thank you for asking that. I mean I think you can,
and what I've tried to do from the beginning on this,
I think you can show empathy for both sides and
their positions. And you know, in the case of the
(27:56):
Israel divide, that was kind of easy for me because
I knew I knew people on both sides, like Glenn
Greenwald and Ben Shapiro are diametrically opposed on this issue
and have been for a long time, both Jewish, both Jewish,
and they both come on my show regularly for years,
so I know them very well. And so I could
listen to Glenn talk about Israel in a way that
I didn't really agree with at all, but he's so
(28:17):
smart that I and I love him. He would educate me,
you know, I've learned some things about Israel. Was like, oh,
that's actually not great. Okay, that's good to know. And
then I talked to Ben and he'd have good defenses
on these things, and we'd go back and forth. So
I think you have to make space. I'm sorry, I
hate that a phrase for both sides. It's very ho
to copy, but.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You didn't say safe space.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah exactly, They're all bad anyway, show some empathy, like
actually try to listen to the friends about their grievances,
and it doesn't have to be it doesn't. That's not
talking about the other friends behind their back. That's you
really trying to understand what the grievances are. And I
generally love the feeling that when you're talking to people,
even if it's people you oppose ideologically or what have you,
(28:55):
if you can give them a couple of points, you're
going to advance the conversation. They're going to like you more,
are they gonna trust you more, and you could make
inroads with them better, as opposed to just being like, well,
I disagree, well you did the you cheated with her boyfriend.
You're terrible. Like maybe it's more like why why would
you do that? Like what was it?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What made you?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Like inquisitive without judgment, I think is the way to
handle it.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Love.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, love, thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I had a second question or a question. So I
have a friend that I go to college with. He's
been you know, he's very involved. He's a geopolitician, you know,
but he's also a liberal. He has been criticizing me
for my support of Israel, and he's been bringing up
history lessons such as the USS liberty, the USS liberty,
(29:47):
I believe attack, yeah happened, And told him, like, why
are we supporting Israel? Literally they're trying to take out
Iran and then including with trying to control Gaza and
trying to and you know they're attacked back on Gaza
after what God Hamas did to Israel. And I told him,
(30:09):
you know, I disagreed with him, but then all of
a sudden, how can I you know, and we could
have civil conversation. But when it comes to when it
comes to trying to criticize Israel or try to like
be soft on the issue. But then when it comes
to Hamas like he tries to justify, not justify it,
(30:31):
but like be light about it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Should go read the Moss Charter and your argument is
going to get a lot better. I think you should
do what we used to do in the law, which
is the best way to argue your side is to
prepare the other sides first, Like go go study what
it is about the anti Israel side that that he's
attracted to that you think is powerful when he makes points,
(30:53):
learn it, understand it, and then go back and start
it and study the pro Israel side and you'll be
much better equipped to have these arts and maybe you'll
change your mind somewhat too. That's fine too, But honestly,
you have to be very careful about the media on
Israel because there are manipulations both ways. It's very heavy
propaganda game here. I trust real clear politics. I go
(31:13):
there every morning and they'll have op eds from both
the left and the right, including on Israel, and that's
one place that won't corrupt your beautiful mind. So maybe
start there.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, but he's raising a good point about the moral
inconsistencies that are applied to Hamas versus Israel. Israel has
definitely held to a much higher standard, I would say
then than Hamas, and that's because specifically on the left,
because they look at the world through an oppress or
appressed lens, and so if they qualify you as the oppressed,
then basically you can do whatever you want and you're
(31:43):
not guilty of anything.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Hi, Megan, my name's Ashley, and I just want to
thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I have a quick question, what cultural issue do you
think conservatives should be talking about more?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
But we just aren't.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, I hate to say it, given what's happening this week.
But pot marijuana, Amen, I really do I think like this.
I'm totally against like making it more accessible. And I
understand Trump is trying to make it allegedly more more
accessible for people who need it for medical purposes. But
today's pot is not the pot that we were up
(32:18):
with back in the eighties. Though I've never tried pot,
do you believe it? Yeah, never tried a drug of
any kind of other than alcohol.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
There we go, we're either the body nor the mind. Yeah,
but it was actually I was you do it? No,
I was. I was on a basketball party one of
those again, and and uh, totally I went total paranoid. Yeah,
(32:48):
I hate it. That doesn't sound it was terrible, terrible experience.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, I do think marijuana is like going to it's
already posing a serious problem. And one of the things
we're seeing in these mass shootings is marijuana comes up
over and over and it comes up. You probably haven't
even heard that because it's like a footnote to the reporting.
Nobody's like giving that credence as possibly one of the
factors playing in And they should just read Alex Berenson
(33:14):
and what's in today's marijuana.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Was here today debating why he's against weed. And actually,
anytime with this debate would come up, we'd bring Alex
Barnson on.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
He's phenomenal on this as always turning points ahead of curve.
They're on it for you. But yeah, that would be
my answer.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah. No. And by the way, even with the story
with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigg's assassin of Charlie alleged,
I guess I don't know if I'm legally supposed to
do whatever he did it. But the point is, you
know they were just sitting around an apartment like vaping THHC,
just constantly, just and so you imagine how the potency
(33:47):
of it and the the psych what do you call it,
the psychosis, Yeah, psychotropic effects of THHC and that high dosages.
I mean, and if you're young and you're using a
lot of a lot of weed, it can really impact
the rest of your life. It can really lead to
some very terrible things. So I love that answer.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Look at those videos of that Ascension school shooter. The
most disturbing things I saw this year, those awful, awful
you know this school in Minneapolis where this shooter killed
children going to their their Christian School into the church,
and he's showing all all these demons in his photos.
He sees himself as a demons giggling to him everyone
(34:28):
he's smoking weed. In every video he's smoking weed, and
it's like no one talked about it, like Okay, it's sup.
It's just like a like half a glass of shiblee,
which it's not.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, I'm a I'm a complete believer that when
you use hard drugs or maybe just a lot of THHC,
which is a hard drug, actually when it's at those dosages,
that it's a highway to hell, that it opens you
up to dark forces because you lose control of the
things that God gave you to control your mind and
your heart and to keep bad things out.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
I want of the thing. The guy who started the
psychedelics clinic at Johns Hopkins University and was the godfather
of psychedelics, all this other MDNNA and all the stuff
that people take. Ketamine, he told me in an interview.
We did that if you if there's any history of
schizophrenia in your family, any and it can go way
(35:21):
back and we don't know, and you go in even
in a controlled setting, which she said is the only
way you should ever do one of those drugs. Some
people do it for cancer depression. You know, there are reasons,
there are good reasons to try it. You can have
a psychotic break from which you never return. Yeah, you
never return. It's very dangerous what these people are playing with.
(35:42):
And that Lance Twigs like I think that one of
the reports was that he had mushrooms in.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
There, d off black market HRT hormone replacement therapy.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
The guy was all of that must be looked into.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, well this was uplifting. Megan Kelly. Give it up
for Maggie Kelly, everybody.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Thank you, thanks for having me, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
For having me. For more on many of these stories
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