December 29, 2025 • 42 mins
Rampant daycare fraud by Minnesota’s Somali immigrant community has become one of the biggest stories in America. But with one scandal after another, why does Minnesota keep voting blue in one election after another? Scott Johnson of Minnesota’s Power Line Blog discusses the potential of unseating Tim Walz in next fall’s election. Harmeet Dhillon explains what the federal government is doing to pursue accountability for immigrant fraudsters, J6 gangsters, and illegal voters around the country.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Our
two is underway. We are actually going to be joined
now by Scott Johnson from the power Line Blog, one
of the groups that has been investigating the Minnesota fraud
and within the Somali community specifically for a lot longer
than the public is now aware of, at least the
vast majority of them. So Scott, welcome to the Charlie
(01:32):
Kirk Show. Thanks for making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Blake.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Blake is the one who turned me onto your reporting
and your investigative, investigative work. So I'm gonna let him
take the lead here because what you've been doing needs
to more people need to know about it.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Scott, Hey, Scott, Yeah, welcome to the show. I'm a
big fan of power Line. You guys are. I think
you guys have literally been blogging before they actually came
up with the word blog, which is quite I think
you were like the original Time magazine article about and
all that.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Big fan of you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And what I like about what you guys have really
pointed out.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
You've had a lot of posts on this explosion of
interest in the Somali story, and what you've pointed out
is this is not it's not truly a new story.
Even Nick Sureley, he's not He's not even the first
person to go around knocking on the doors of daycares.
And so I thought we could set this up by
you could just explain a little bit about what you
(02:30):
know as a conservative on the ground in Minnesota, what
the real state of affairs is, and what is the
best thing that could happen if we want to see
accountability for this And I guess I sup must be
obviously useful policy developments at the national level as a
result of this scandal.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, that's that's a big question.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
The last time you had me on like it was
to talk in the aftermath of the controversy that Chris
Ruffo had raised with a City Journal column this past November,
and it created a huge impact all around the country
because President Trump attended to that matter, and all of
(03:13):
a sudden there were there were calls for investigation coming
from all over the country directed at the United States
Attorney for Minnesota and the local FBI office here. But
in fact, the case that Ruffo wrote about, the fraud
cases that have been drawn to his attention are four
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years old. They're gonna be let's see, since twenty twenty one,
they've been under investigation by the FBI. There have been
at least fifty convictions in those cases.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There are about twenty eight more maybe to go.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
And this round of controversy is created by this incredible
video that Nick Shirley created knocking on doors around on
the Twin Cities to demonstrate the level of fraud in
one aspect of these cases that is also.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Under investigation and also being charged.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
And that's the most the thing I would like your
audience to know more than anything else, is that these
matters are under investigation by the FBI, and they are
being prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District
of Minnesota. And whatever credit you give to me for
covering these cases comes from the fact that I have followed.
(04:32):
I've the press conferences called by the US Attorney here,
and I've attended the trials held in these cases is here.
And this is all from my perspective. Old news. Now,
what's the name of the gentleman you were going to
have on this afternoon, Nick Shirley. Surely you know I'm
(04:53):
just inundated with questions about this, but surely's video focuses
on one aspect of the frauds that are being investigated here.
The daycare frauds, and he highlights in the video an
office in the city of Saint Paul called the Griggs
Midway Building that had twenty two offices that were devoted
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to some aspect of these frauds. And the funny thing
is that office building was rated in July and at
the time I posted one of the search warrants that
was executed in July on power Line, and then in
September several of those cases out of the Griggs Midway
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building were charged. Now, the first charge cases involved another
medicaid fraud Minnesota. Medic Medicaid has fourteen waiver programs and
daycare has been a longstanding problem. But the first charge
cases in that have come out of the Griggs Midway
(05:57):
Building and Saint Paul are in housing stabilization services, which
seems to be a fraud of the kind that Nick
Shirley is exposing in this video that has gone viral.
So the one thing I would like your audience to
know is that this matter, to use President Trump's term,
is being attended to. The FBI is investigating it, and
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the cases are being charged. There are more that will
be charged this week. If there's a problem, it's that
the United States Attorney's Office for Minnesota is not huge.
There might be five or six prosecutors working on these
cases and a team of FBI agents. If anything, it's
time to send in reinforcements. But the matter, this is
(06:41):
not news. It does not need to be investigated in
the sense that a case needs to be open. It
is under investigation and the cases are being charged.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah, it's interesting. I want to read a line from
your post this morning. It says before Nick Shirley and
after and you say, Joe Thompson, the US Attorney for Minnesota,
has all but shouted the point from the rooftop. Minnesota
is drowning in fraud. To put it another way, Thompson
was shouting, wake up. The volume of fraud is beyond
(07:11):
the capacity of his office to remedy by prosecution alone.
And you asked him, Okay, are there more people you
could charge? And do they match basically the appearance of
the cases we've seen so far? In other words, are
there more Somali fraud cases that he's just been unable
to get to? And he told you yes, So we
(07:34):
have the evidence, we have the cases. It seems that
we literally just have a case where we need more
prosecutors and more manpower to bring the paperwork charges.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Is that the situation as I do I understand.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It correctly to go back to the beginning, which is the.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Searches and indictments that were handed up in the year
twenty twenty two. Out of the investigation that began in
twenty twenty one, we're in this Feeding Our Future that
involved three hundred million dollars the original indictments, there was
a forty a set of forty seven indictments that were
handed up by the grand jury in September twenty twenty two,
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and those cases have multiplied. They're up to seventy some now.
And that's how these subsequent frauds were discovered, is that
Joe Thompson and the FBI, as they followed the money
coming out of medicaid to and this Feeding our Future,
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as they followed the money, they found some of the
same cast of characters. The defendants in the Feeding Our
Future case are basically a white woman who set up
this Feeding our Future nonprofit and recruited Somali, a Somali
cast of characters to run these fraudulent program programs around
the state. So that's how it happened.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Is that this thing has been under investigation for four years.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I wanted to You've watched Minnesota politics for a long time,
and it's always struck me.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
As a state.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
It seems like it should be a purple or red
state by now, like it should follow the arc of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
move a bit to the right. Yet it's always been
this white whale. It never seems to happen, even when
it seems like this, a scandal like this should be
a huge feeding frenzy for a state Republican and you
guys have good local conservative leaning investigators Alpha News.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You guys, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Why does Minnesota never seem to reach that turning point
that it seems like it should.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Well, I hate to point the finger at the Somali
community again, but the problem is Kennepin County, which is
the county in which minneapolisits, and the Democratic majority there
is so huge, including a large component of Somali voters,
that it makes up for the Democrats weakness in rural Minnesota,
(09:55):
and they do lose out state Minnesota has shifted. It
is a purple state in the sense that rural counties
are basically Republican and Saint Paul in Minneapolis are a Democrat,
so we need to do a little bit better in
the cities. It's been a long time since the Republican
one estate wide election here. If it doesn't happen in
twenty twenty six, we really got a problem.
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Speaker 4 (11:26):
Uh, you know, it's interesting. I'm not exactly sure what
the precise number of Somali voters are now in Hennepin County,
but it's massive. We're talking at least over one hundred thousand.
Some have said two hundred thousand, so that's a huge
voting block. I don't know what the margin of defeat
for Trump was in Minnesota, Blake, if you've got that handy,
but it's I I'd be surprised if it was much
(11:50):
higher than two hundred thousand. But we'll check the Uh,
you know, you mentioned this voting block and Nick Shirley,
who we've been talking about, who's actually he's had reschedule
with us. He'll be on tomorrow. Uh mentions this exact
thing one eighteen.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Heavn or Tim Walls is saying that you and others
that are out there trying to expose this, you.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Know you're doing it because you're white supremacist.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
What is your response to him?
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Yeah, Tim wants votes. There are entire apartment complex that
where white people have been pushed out of these apartment
complexes because Somalians have taken over in there, inside of
these towns like Minneapolis, where they can go and go
get votes from these people. And if you have one
hundred thousand people that will vote for you because you're
going to enable and let this stuff happen, and because
you're going to call white person races for calling out facts.
(12:35):
This is what's going to happen to state like Minnesota.
Minnesota's they say in Minnesota nice, but they are very upset.
And I fully understand why they're upset because they don't
have a governor who's actually working for them.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
He's actually working against them.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I guess what I'm wondering is I just checked and
Trump lost President Trump lost Minnesota by about one and
a half points in twenty sixteen, he lost by more
in twenty twenty, and in twenty twenty four he lost
by four points, So it actually has shifted a little
bit bluer over the past eight years. Is that just
a demographic effect or do you think is there something?
(13:10):
Is there something too that you'll always hear from outside Minnesota.
People will say it's that Scandinavian psychology, So I guess
i'd ask what you think of that? And also just
in general, I know you say it's not a news
story there, but it is getting a lot of attention.
Is this the sort of thing people are talking about
all the time there? Is it taking over discourse in
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the state in a way it didn't before.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
I think the point that Nick surely made in the
video that you played is absolutely right. It's hard to
convey the level of impest on the one hand and
anger on the other that this story generates. You know,
people feel like they're being treated as chumps and they're
really mad about it. And I can't think of a comparable,
you know, issue of public affairs in the past ten
(13:57):
years in Minnesota that has generated this level of interest.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's had a huge impact.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
President Trump had an impact in twenty sixteen. I think
one effect he had was turning suburbs around in head
of a county around the Twin Cities Lure because the
suburban voters don't like his style or whatever. I really
haven't thought about the question that you're raising right now,
(14:24):
and hesitate to say more about the political impact and.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So on.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
But I do think that we need a serious Republican
candidate at the top of the ticket. In twenty twenty six,
we had a weak Republican gubernatorial candidate in twenty twenty two.
It brought down competitive candidates under him. If we have
several good candidates running for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in
(14:51):
twenty twenty six, and if one of them gets the
nomination and is endorsed, I think will win.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, we can hope, man, we can hope. Just so
we're just so.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
We're clear the raw vote.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The raw vote.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Difference in twenty twenty four in Minnesota was one hundred
and thirty eight thousand, one hundred votes, so Donald Trump
received one point five. Essentially, Harris received one point sixty five,
so it was one hundred and thirty eight thousand raw
votes that Minnesota was won by. And if you think
the Somali community, which has been largely imported since the
(15:26):
late nineties, I mean that's let's say it's over two
hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I mean there's it's about eighty thousand. So it's not
like the difference.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I've heard larger numbers. Do we know the actual numbers
here how many Somalis are in Minnesota?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I would say no, you can get official numbers would
be something like the eighty thousand that you're using, But
I think it's well over one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
It is a fair number.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
And and and they're not entirely in Minneapolis, but they're concentrated.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And it used to be called little Little Mogadishu. That's
the fifth district.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Hannafin County and Minneapolis an interring suburb. It's ilhan Omer's district.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
So yeah, it's not so little anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
When the mogad issue has gotten bigger.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well, it's not just, but it's not just it's not
just Minnesota. By the way, this is in Ohio. There's
now reports of over five hundred childcare facilities in the
state of Washington run by Somali's. So we'll see how
far the rabbit hole goes down. This is a very
interesting conversation. Scott Johnson has been with his power Line blog,
(16:36):
has been investigating the I guess fraud situation, different aspects
of it in Minneapolis or Minnesota. Scott, does this go
back twenty years twenty five years for you? How long
have you been doing your research and investigations.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Well, we started power Line in over a Memorial Day
weekend two thousand and two. I'm trying to thank the
free I really got seriously interested in this subject. I
covered the Minnesota was a fount of folks supporting al Shabab,
(17:13):
and in twenty sixteen there was a terrorism trial here.
There were nine charged Somali Minnesotas who were seeking to
join ISIS. Six of them pleaded guilty. Three of them
went to trial in twenty sixteen. I covered that trial,
and these were young, charismatic men who on the surface
(17:36):
were apparently assimilated. They were well spoken, they were taking
advantage of opportunities, they were educated, they were taking advantage
of every employment and educational opportunity I could think of. So,
you know, I was exposed to some of them as
they came through the courtroom. But the three defendants, I
saw one of them testified and one of the nine
(17:59):
turned in and were a wire. So you got to
hear what these guys really thought of us, and it
was really it was shocking how much hatred they had
for the United States.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
And in the course of that trial, I saw, you know,
one of the programs they were taking advantage of was
student loans and one of the defendants pulled out five
hundred dollars on a debit card from his student loan
to finance his trip to Turkey to try to get
to Isis. And these folks were apprehended before they before
(18:33):
they left the United States. But it was shocking to
me how how cognizant they were of the seams and
the system that they could take advantage of and so on.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, it's really revealing.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
One of the places they investigated the way it had
all three it was like it had a transportation company
and it had like a home, a medicaid company, and
a daycare. They're aware of where you can go to
get the money. And as you said, it's nice that
you brought up the terrorism nexus of this.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I've got it right in front of me. Fox nine
out of Minneapolis, Saint Paul. They investigated this story and
there was literally reports. This was noted that millions of
dollars was being flown out of the Minneapolis airport in
suitcases in cash. They just had cash stuff in suitcases
and they're flying it to Somalia.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
It's beyond a doubt.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
A lot of that probably ended up with extremists, al
Shabab terrorists. And it says in that article that it's
well known that starting a daycare is a way to
print money in this community twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
It's just well feeding friendly.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah, and I think the cash being flown out he
has never been substantiated. But that's where we came in.
It was with daycare fraud. I wrote account for city
journal called MODISHU Minnesota, I think in twenty eighteen that
referred to the issue of daycare fraud and the story
about cash being flown to Somalia. I'm not so sure
(20:06):
that that part of it is true, but it certainly
has been a concern for a substantial period.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
At the time.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Well, so my question, then, Scott goes to the politicians
that have been complicit in this right. In twenty twenty three,
Governor walt said that, you know, childcare providers need a raise,
which basically, you know, was you know, a tip of
the cap to his his constituents in the smaller community.
I gotta believe, what, what are are we looking at
(20:32):
complicity within the elected class in Minnesota? Can we are
you going to be pursuing that investigation? What can we
expect in terms of Tim Waltz and other official officials
in the state.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I don't think Tim Walls and I don't think Attorney
General Keith Ellison. I don't think either one of them
has either said for an interview regarding what they knew
when when on this massive public programs fraud. And it
would be nice if, you know, the big media outlets
here like the Minneapolis Star Tribune now known as the
(21:04):
Minnesota Star Tribune, would ask for interviews and tell us
what the response is that they get. Will either of
these guys sit for an interview during the second of
these Feeding Our Future trials?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Earlier this year, I sent sets of questions.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
I asked for interviews of both Walls and Allison to
ask those questions, and I sent them written questions on
the subject of what they knew when when Keith Ellison,
the Attorney General of the state, is a guy who
brags about how he can spot a fraud when he's
talking about President Trump. So I was curious about when
he spotted the fraud that took place under his auspices
(21:42):
here over the last six years.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
You know, these guys have specialized in either looking the
other way or facilitating ya what we've seen over the
past seven cases.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
We're out of time here, Scott, but thank you so much,
Thank you so much for your work.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
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Very excited about our next guest, that is harm Meet
Dylan the Great harm Meat Dylan, who is the Assistant
Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division at the Department
of Justice. Harmony, Welcome back to the show. I'm very
excited to speak with you. You had a very lively
weekend holiday break and you're you're trying to explain things
(23:38):
I found. I was very sympathetic to where you're at
because I have, you know, in the last couple of months,
received my own fair amount of attention from conservative influencers
that don't seem to understand that we have a legal
system that has rules, it has timelines, and you're being
(24:00):
or perhaps you just observed some of the questions that
we're circulating about this post January sixth prosecution. People want
accountability for some of the stuff that happened. Obviously we
share those those desires, and you just basically said, am
I going to have to put down my knitting and
explain the statute of limitations to you people?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the floor is yours?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
What sparked this and what do you want the country
the conservative movement to know?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Well, thank you for having me, and thank you for asking.
It is certainly very frustrating to those of the Department
of Justice, where we are doing so much, we are
winning so many cases that court, we're putting wins on
the board, and Attorney General Pam Bondi and the rest
of us keep getting criticized for not having arrests like
arrests are entertainment are breading circuses, and in fact there
(24:48):
are arrests and there is a very lively activity from
are very committed and I think the most conservative Department
of business that we've ever had, so and I don't
think it's just people asking question whatever responding to what
was what looked to me like in organized campaign of
a stupid commentary that falsely claim that because January sixth
(25:09):
is coming up, there's a five year statutical limitation that
acquires on January sixth, twenty twenty five, and if the
Attorney General and the DADA hasn't indicted people by that time,
then that statue of limitation has run. And I think
it is paid. I think I see certainly those types
of influencers on X who are monetized repeating this propaganda
(25:31):
almost word for word, and I was frustrated by it.
It saw some pushback, it wasn't enough pushback, and so
I decided to get out there and you know, spew
some facts. Namely, there is no statutal limitations that runs
on that day. There are various status considered on a
run on a rowing basis, and some haven't even expired.
Because where there's a continuing conspiracy, which I think you
(25:53):
could make the case for in some circumstances, the Statute
of Limitations doesn't begin to run by east start until
that conspiracy, and they'll overact further into the conspiracy end.
And so I put some facts out there, and I
also expressed my frustration that so called conservative influencers are
clearly getting paid to spread click bait disinformation and it's
(26:16):
really annoying to me. And which people who get a
life where these to form themselves, to try the honest
instead of just trying to make money off of the
desperation of a less and formed populace.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Well, and I think that's really important. And we have
your tweet here. You said stuff happens January sixth. That
date is irrelevant. January sixth, Committee and Congress forms in
the summer. This is a relevant date. So statute the
limitations mid twenty twenty six. Potentially Jack Smith appointed over
a year later, so there's another date. Democrats in Congress
and those in the States colluding with Biden Whitehouse hide
(26:49):
their behavior, some of which still hasn't come to light.
Statute runs on this five years after their concealed behavior
is known to the government. This means the statue could
run in the next administration, and then you have a
note of encouragement to stop posting clickbait. I think that's
all fair. I actually, I actually was not booking you
(27:10):
on this topic, harm Meat. We wanted to have you
on because the Minnesota topic, and we've been covering that
throughout the show today. I mean, it was, it was
the number one topic Elon's posting about it. So I
appreciate the statute of limitations. I think you're you're getting
to a point that the base wants accountability, they want results,
(27:33):
and it's not just about the DOJ. It's not just
about Pambondi. You guys are doing great work at the
Department of Justice in a lot of different ways. And
I know because I've spoken with people. There's a lot
coming down the pike. So we can put a pin
in that if you'd like. But there's a lot coming
down the pike. Could you could you at least assure
our audience that you guys are working on stuff that
they're gonna like.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Absolutely, But let me continue the theme here of the
false narrative, which is that no one's going to go
to jail. We aren't doing anything. We haven't done a
thing where the aures this is nonsense, because the Attorney
General and under the DOJ, we have actually indicted ninety
nine people so far, and we're just getting started. In
the Minnesota Somali fraud rings. So far, there are over
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sixty convictions and please hundreds of millions of dollars in
gold and restitue chet and you know, additional collateral crimes
including attempted bribery by one of these fraud stars trying
to deliver one hundred and twenty thousand dollars stats who
are yours home? And things like that, and so you know,
we're also uncovering. There's the news of similar types of
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fraud happening in Ohio at other places where the smaller
community is because apparently this is a type of fraud
that they're they're talking among themselves, and it isn't just
Somali fraud. There's other fraud. I probably believe that there's
a state organized fraud. Frankly in Away in California where
Victor days Hanson talking about this on his spotcats, where
(29:01):
he's talking about you know, sort of inflated reimbursement requests
for ambulances from the state and then the states talkeets
the difference, and you know, all kinds of crazy stuff
like this medicaid fraud. There's autism fraud, and on and
on and on, and so we are so dedicated to this.
(29:22):
There are career prosecutors, a lot of political thing. This
is the type of thing that they did day in
and day out. And the Attorney General is so dedicated
to and I spoke to her about it yesterday to
not getting enough credit and it's not reasonable. And so
I just want people to understand that when they say
where are the arrests, there's no arrests, you're just sounding dumb,
because if you cracked open a browser and did a
(29:45):
little bit of research, you would find that there have
been many arrests, many convictions, convictions, many indictments, and ongoing
investigations here. And so I'm proud of the DJA and
the work that we're doing. And it would really make
it easier for us to to do our job and
we didn't have to spend time combating this information from
the public online, so which is practly religious and soft.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, and I want to take a minute, just a
moment here to pause. You mentioned Victor Davis Hansen, he
announced on his show. So we just want everybody to
pray for VDH. Great American, been on this show many times.
He says, I'm having a major operation and I've been
presented with a serious problem. But I'm going to do
all I can to solve it. And that's all I
can do, and trust in the power of prayer and
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faith and in a wonderful surgeon. So it sounds like
he's going into surgery with a serious issue. I saw
you tweeting about that and retweeting, so I wanted to
pause right there.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
We love VDH.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He's a good, good American, great American, and so we
wish him all the all the best. Please do pray
for him. We need guys like VDH out there, a
voice of stability and of just wisdom. History, his his
context for just about every problem we face is is incredible.
So just wanted to pause and say that. So one
(31:03):
of the issues that you see if you go online
and again this is sort of the theme of our
conversation here, harmony is people want to see Tim Waltz,
Keith Ellison. They want to see these guys indicted, arrested
for their complicity or look turning the other way when
they knew the fraud was happening. There's a when the
(31:23):
previous segment, Blake mentioned a Fox nine article from twenty
nineteen where this sort of daycare fraud was publicized first,
and they were even alleging that some of the money
was getting to back to al Shabab. Even in twenty nineteen.
Then we had the City Journal reporting from Christopher Rufo
that basically alleged the same. What would it take to
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indict a sitting governor? I mean, I know that you
have an official role and there's only so much you
can say, so please, by all means be careful, but
just legally speaking, I mean, we haven't really seen anything
like that, at least in living memory.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Well what we have, I mean Rod Blagoyevitch was of
course indebted, uh now correct. In fact, many Illinois governors
simply indicted and convicted of crimes and that you know
senators have as well, and it does happen. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, you know, I don't know if he was
sitting at the time, but he was convicted for behavior
(32:20):
that he then he allegedly engaged in while he was
a sitting governor. And so you know, it does take
time to put convictions together. So let me tell you how.
And again this is not my area of expertise. I'm
civil rights chief. I do have some criminal some jurisdiction
involving eight crimes and stuff. But there's there's a concept
in the DJ and also in state prosecutions called public correction.
(32:44):
And they're prosecutors and specialize in public correction cases. And
and there are difficult cases to bring, and they typically
involved informant or somebody who has then engaged in criminal
behaviors that filled like he bribes to a sitting official
and then perhaps the Greek wear a wire or you know. Otherwise,
there's theficient of it because they clean guilty and there's
(33:04):
graguary and then there's you know, enough evidence to go
in and get a wire tap and or financial records
and then go trace the money and build an iron
clad case. And I think that while I know there's
a thirst, kind of a revenge, you like thirst or
convictions and prosecutions, what we don't want is to have
a situation like where what happened to President's Trump? You know,
(33:28):
trunked updates, concocted cases. The EDS case, except you have
to actually do the loanwork, put that iron clad case together,
because you know what the other side is going to say.
They're going to say that it's politicized. That's setting one
hundred percent of cases involving public figures, this is political.
This is not a real case where we're seeing that
right now, that kind of commentary of politician Gens and
(33:50):
some others that are in the crossairs of prosecution. And
so I think that's what is happening here. And so
it isn't enough that a public figure saw a news
story five years ago that says that they're fraud in
their state. That's not it crime, but tying them to it,
trying them to either a financial motivation or a campaign
(34:11):
finance motivation where they look the other way, or they
accepted a gratuity or some benefit or right now ongoing Bedford,
including to their family, or so forth. With the arrange
that you're putting these faces together as important and I
can guarantee that every single person working in being leaders
of a business. Agoel was like nothing more than to
(34:31):
bring righteous cases against corrupt public officials. But let me
tell you a little uh call it a complex complication here.
You know, the whole problem would be blue slit process
that has been talked about. I'm sure you talked about
it on your show. Well, it's kind of weird when
you're in a blue state like Illinois or you know,
Minnesota or California and the Democrat senators get a veto,
(34:55):
But what who the prosecutor can be? Who might investigate them?
That seem here conflictive interest? And then I can tell you,
I could tell you actual complic sort of complex needs
of fraud that I believe are been committed by Democrat
public figures in California, and the blue slip process makes
(35:16):
it such that nobody ever gets approved by those Democrat
senators who isn't someone who they think is politically savvy
enough to look the other way and not come after that.
So that's why you see less of this. That's why
sometimes these prosecutions at to occur from a different district
or you know, out of main justice, and a lot
(35:38):
of this stuff never comes to light because of that,
So you rely on public figures coming forward and trying
to help us with the issue.
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just conducted its first land strike Venezuela. President Trump is
confirmed the military took out a drug facility, resulting in
a massive explosion. So we're going to keep our eyes
on that. That's a little bit of breaking news. So
our meet in the midst of this Venezuelan news and
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the bv net and Yahoo news, you have news on
voting integrity. Voter integrity as well as some gun cases
that you're working. Please tell us about them.
Speaker 8 (37:25):
Well, Charlo, let's talk about the voting cases first. So
a few months ago I started this process of requesting
the voter rolls from all the states and here at
fort in the United States and asking them to share
them with us so that we can help these states
compare their voter roles against our government data and clean
their voter role. The requirement of states under federal law
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to help America vote act, amongst others, and so there's
a lot of heaving in on and including for red states,
A lot of back and forth and then some outright
results to co operate from many states, and so I
and proud to report that today I'm in litigation with
twenty two states in the United States, and that's actually
twenty three lawsuits this California's two lawsuits. I also have
(38:10):
voluntary compliance on thirteen states, including Texas and several others.
And even on Christmas Eve and yourew, I had secretaries
of state uploading their data in the DJ that we
could do our work on it and help them clean
their voter roles. And so we're engaged in a quarter
and settlements with almost every state. I got North Carolina
(38:31):
really on to actual intuit Sudlin agreement with us to
clean up over one hundred thousand voter records that had
been improperly recorded and they didn't get the correct data,
but the disen shipped from those voters. I'msuing Georgia, including
for the Fulton County ballots that we were requested several
months ago and that they refused to give us. So
(38:51):
we're in multiple lawsuits over there. And of course even
after we filed that loss into the same week we
filled the lawsuit lass week. All that came out about
one hundreds of thousands of improperly recorded both with inappropriate
change of plesity and other Indisha in Georgia. So it
(39:14):
is really important work. We're excited about it. I wish
I had more hands than while people at the DAS
they do this with we're ordering very aggressively. So if
anybody watching this as a lawyer who wants to come
out their country, do the help clean up for voter roles.
Sure Election Integrity were looking to hire people on that,
and so I always keep people posted as people as
say therapisting to give me their data. We get to
(39:35):
a point where we know it's going to be they
know we see that, and so we where money where
our mouth is. And you know, I would have thought
when I got in there and Andrew that I would
have some template to pull from because surely the DADA
did this before, right right, They never did it before.
No Republican administration or even down a Pride administration did
voter role litigation before.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
That important cause you there, this is something Blake brought
up earlier that you know, you look back at what
Tom Emmer was saying about the Somali population twenty fifteen.
We need them. They're more American, and they're going to assimilate.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
He said, they assimilated better than any other group, and
they were you know, the Germans had done the exact
same thing.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, that's what he said. So that's what he said.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
But Blake made the astute point that now Tom Emmer
is on Fox basically calling for prosecutions and accountability, and listen,
I'm not necessarily letting him off the hook for being
a part of the problem in the first place. What
I am saying is the tone and tenor of the
entire conservative movement. If you took a snapshot in twenty fifteen,
and then you took a snapshot in the end here
(40:38):
of twenty twenty five, going into twenty twenty six, the aggressiveness,
the just conservativeness of the people in power and the
people in charge. We are light years ahead of where
we were a decade ago, thanks to President Trump, thanks
to Charlie Kirk, thanks to people like you, Harmy, and
so I just want to I just want to make
sure as there's all this consternation and frustration in the base,
(41:01):
it seems with lack of results, we are moving in
a very good direction. You We have har Meat Dylan
at the DOJ suing states to clean up voter rolls
and having massive results. That's that's the implications of that.
Couldn't be bigger harm Meat because it's it's going to
affect the midterms, It's going to affect twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
That's that's huge.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
What states I have to just ask are the worst
on the voter rolls? Who is fighting you the most
cleaning up their voter Is it California? I would presume, but.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Well, California as defree in resistance mode in New York?
May you know the usual suspects? All these states where
they don't require boeridy, they don't we Minnesota, why goodness,
you can? I mean Stott Presler, be friend of mine
posted about this yesterday. Where you can go in and
(41:51):
simply vouch for somebody's address, like you can bring your
eight Somali buds in and say, I vouch for this
person's address. That's all you need. You don't need, you, Bill, Andy, Bill,
you don't need anything with some potential fraudsture vouching. That's insane. Yeah,
you can't a country like that.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
We're running out of time. But I just want to say,
good work. We have your back one hundred percent, and
thanks for the updates, thanks for sticking with it, and uh,
you know, thanks for educating people a little bit. I
think that was important. Uh we will have you back
on again soon.
Speaker 8 (42:22):
Keep up the good work, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Our
two is underway. We are actually going to be joined
now by Scott Johnson from the power Line Blog, one
of the groups that has been investigating the Minnesota fraud
and within the Somali community specifically for a lot longer
than the public is now aware of, at least the
vast majority of them. So Scott, welcome to the Charlie
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Kirk Show. Thanks for making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Blake.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Blake is the one who turned me onto your reporting
and your investigative, investigative work. So I'm gonna let him
take the lead here because what you've been doing needs
to more people need to know about it.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Scott, Hey, Scott, Yeah, welcome to the show. I'm a
big fan of power Line. You guys are. I think
you guys have literally been blogging before they actually came
up with the word blog, which is quite I think
you were like the original Time magazine article about and
all that.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Big fan of you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And what I like about what you guys have really
pointed out.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
You've had a lot of posts on this explosion of
interest in the Somali story, and what you've pointed out
is this is not it's not truly a new story.
Even Nick Sureley, he's not He's not even the first
person to go around knocking on the doors of daycares.
And so I thought we could set this up by
you could just explain a little bit about what you
(02:30):
know as a conservative on the ground in Minnesota, what
the real state of affairs is, and what is the
best thing that could happen if we want to see
accountability for this And I guess I sup must be
obviously useful policy developments at the national level as a
result of this scandal.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, that's that's a big question.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
The last time you had me on like it was
to talk in the aftermath of the controversy that Chris
Ruffo had raised with a City Journal column this past November,
and it created a huge impact all around the country
because President Trump attended to that matter, and all of
(03:13):
a sudden there were there were calls for investigation coming
from all over the country directed at the United States
Attorney for Minnesota and the local FBI office here. But
in fact, the case that Ruffo wrote about, the fraud
cases that have been drawn to his attention are four
(03:35):
years old. They're gonna be let's see, since twenty twenty one,
they've been under investigation by the FBI. There have been
at least fifty convictions in those cases.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There are about twenty eight more maybe to go.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
And this round of controversy is created by this incredible
video that Nick Shirley created knocking on doors around on
the Twin Cities to demonstrate the level of fraud in
one aspect of these cases that is also.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Under investigation and also being charged.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
And that's the most the thing I would like your
audience to know more than anything else, is that these
matters are under investigation by the FBI, and they are
being prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District
of Minnesota. And whatever credit you give to me for
covering these cases comes from the fact that I have followed.
(04:32):
I've the press conferences called by the US Attorney here,
and I've attended the trials held in these cases is here.
And this is all from my perspective. Old news. Now,
what's the name of the gentleman you were going to
have on this afternoon, Nick Shirley. Surely you know I'm
(04:53):
just inundated with questions about this, but surely's video focuses
on one aspect of the frauds that are being investigated here.
The daycare frauds, and he highlights in the video an
office in the city of Saint Paul called the Griggs
Midway Building that had twenty two offices that were devoted
(05:13):
to some aspect of these frauds. And the funny thing
is that office building was rated in July and at
the time I posted one of the search warrants that
was executed in July on power Line, and then in
September several of those cases out of the Griggs Midway
(05:35):
building were charged. Now, the first charge cases involved another
medicaid fraud Minnesota. Medic Medicaid has fourteen waiver programs and
daycare has been a longstanding problem. But the first charge
cases in that have come out of the Griggs Midway
(05:57):
Building and Saint Paul are in housing stabilization services, which
seems to be a fraud of the kind that Nick
Shirley is exposing in this video that has gone viral.
So the one thing I would like your audience to
know is that this matter, to use President Trump's term,
is being attended to. The FBI is investigating it, and
(06:19):
the cases are being charged. There are more that will
be charged this week. If there's a problem, it's that
the United States Attorney's Office for Minnesota is not huge.
There might be five or six prosecutors working on these
cases and a team of FBI agents. If anything, it's
time to send in reinforcements. But the matter, this is
(06:41):
not news. It does not need to be investigated in
the sense that a case needs to be open. It
is under investigation and the cases are being charged.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah, it's interesting. I want to read a line from
your post this morning. It says before Nick Shirley and
after and you say, Joe Thompson, the US Attorney for Minnesota,
has all but shouted the point from the rooftop. Minnesota
is drowning in fraud. To put it another way, Thompson
was shouting, wake up. The volume of fraud is beyond
(07:11):
the capacity of his office to remedy by prosecution alone.
And you asked him, Okay, are there more people you
could charge? And do they match basically the appearance of
the cases we've seen so far? In other words, are
there more Somali fraud cases that he's just been unable
to get to? And he told you yes, So we
(07:34):
have the evidence, we have the cases. It seems that
we literally just have a case where we need more
prosecutors and more manpower to bring the paperwork charges.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Is that the situation as I do I understand.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It correctly to go back to the beginning, which is the.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Searches and indictments that were handed up in the year
twenty twenty two. Out of the investigation that began in
twenty twenty one, we're in this Feeding Our Future that
involved three hundred million dollars the original indictments, there was
a forty a set of forty seven indictments that were
handed up by the grand jury in September twenty twenty two,
(08:11):
and those cases have multiplied. They're up to seventy some now.
And that's how these subsequent frauds were discovered, is that
Joe Thompson and the FBI, as they followed the money
coming out of medicaid to and this Feeding our Future,
(08:34):
as they followed the money, they found some of the
same cast of characters. The defendants in the Feeding Our
Future case are basically a white woman who set up
this Feeding our Future nonprofit and recruited Somali, a Somali
cast of characters to run these fraudulent program programs around
the state. So that's how it happened.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Is that this thing has been under investigation for four years.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I wanted to You've watched Minnesota politics for a long time,
and it's always struck me.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
As a state.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
It seems like it should be a purple or red
state by now, like it should follow the arc of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
move a bit to the right. Yet it's always been
this white whale. It never seems to happen, even when
it seems like this, a scandal like this should be
a huge feeding frenzy for a state Republican and you
guys have good local conservative leaning investigators Alpha News.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You guys, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Why does Minnesota never seem to reach that turning point
that it seems like it should.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Well, I hate to point the finger at the Somali
community again, but the problem is Kennepin County, which is
the county in which minneapolisits, and the Democratic majority there
is so huge, including a large component of Somali voters,
that it makes up for the Democrats weakness in rural Minnesota,
(09:55):
and they do lose out state Minnesota has shifted. It
is a purple state in the sense that rural counties
are basically Republican and Saint Paul in Minneapolis are a Democrat,
so we need to do a little bit better in
the cities. It's been a long time since the Republican
one estate wide election here. If it doesn't happen in
twenty twenty six, we really got a problem.
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Uh, you know, it's interesting. I'm not exactly sure what
the precise number of Somali voters are now in Hennepin County,
but it's massive. We're talking at least over one hundred thousand.
Some have said two hundred thousand, so that's a huge
voting block. I don't know what the margin of defeat
for Trump was in Minnesota, Blake, if you've got that handy,
but it's I I'd be surprised if it was much
(11:50):
higher than two hundred thousand. But we'll check the Uh,
you know, you mentioned this voting block and Nick Shirley,
who we've been talking about, who's actually he's had reschedule
with us. He'll be on tomorrow. Uh mentions this exact
thing one eighteen.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Heavn or Tim Walls is saying that you and others
that are out there trying to expose this, you.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Know you're doing it because you're white supremacist.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
What is your response to him?
Speaker 9 (12:13):
Yeah, Tim wants votes. There are entire apartment complex that
where white people have been pushed out of these apartment
complexes because Somalians have taken over in there, inside of
these towns like Minneapolis, where they can go and go
get votes from these people. And if you have one
hundred thousand people that will vote for you because you're
going to enable and let this stuff happen, and because
you're going to call white person races for calling out facts.
(12:35):
This is what's going to happen to state like Minnesota.
Minnesota's they say in Minnesota nice, but they are very upset.
And I fully understand why they're upset because they don't
have a governor who's actually working for them.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
He's actually working against them.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I guess what I'm wondering is I just checked and
Trump lost President Trump lost Minnesota by about one and
a half points in twenty sixteen, he lost by more
in twenty twenty, and in twenty twenty four he lost
by four points, So it actually has shifted a little
bit bluer over the past eight years. Is that just
a demographic effect or do you think is there something?
(13:10):
Is there something too that you'll always hear from outside Minnesota.
People will say it's that Scandinavian psychology, So I guess
i'd ask what you think of that? And also just
in general, I know you say it's not a news
story there, but it is getting a lot of attention.
Is this the sort of thing people are talking about
all the time there? Is it taking over discourse in
(13:31):
the state in a way it didn't before.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
I think the point that Nick surely made in the
video that you played is absolutely right. It's hard to
convey the level of impest on the one hand and
anger on the other that this story generates. You know,
people feel like they're being treated as chumps and they're
really mad about it. And I can't think of a comparable,
you know, issue of public affairs in the past ten
(13:57):
years in Minnesota that has generated this level of interest.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's had a huge impact.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
President Trump had an impact in twenty sixteen. I think
one effect he had was turning suburbs around in head
of a county around the Twin Cities Lure because the
suburban voters don't like his style or whatever. I really
haven't thought about the question that you're raising right now,
(14:24):
and hesitate to say more about the political impact and.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So on.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
But I do think that we need a serious Republican
candidate at the top of the ticket. In twenty twenty six,
we had a weak Republican gubernatorial candidate in twenty twenty two.
It brought down competitive candidates under him. If we have
several good candidates running for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in
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twenty twenty six, and if one of them gets the
nomination and is endorsed, I think will win.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, we can hope, man, we can hope. Just so
we're just so.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
We're clear the raw vote.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The raw vote.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Difference in twenty twenty four in Minnesota was one hundred
and thirty eight thousand, one hundred votes, so Donald Trump
received one point five. Essentially, Harris received one point sixty five,
so it was one hundred and thirty eight thousand raw
votes that Minnesota was won by. And if you think
the Somali community, which has been largely imported since the
(15:26):
late nineties, I mean that's let's say it's over two
hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I mean there's it's about eighty thousand. So it's not
like the difference.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I've heard larger numbers. Do we know the actual numbers
here how many Somalis are in Minnesota?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I would say no, you can get official numbers would
be something like the eighty thousand that you're using, But
I think it's well over one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
It is a fair number.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
And and and they're not entirely in Minneapolis, but they're concentrated.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And it used to be called little Little Mogadishu. That's
the fifth district.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Hannafin County and Minneapolis an interring suburb. It's ilhan Omer's district.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
So yeah, it's not so little anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
When the mogad issue has gotten bigger.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well, it's not just, but it's not just it's not
just Minnesota. By the way, this is in Ohio. There's
now reports of over five hundred childcare facilities in the
state of Washington run by Somali's. So we'll see how
far the rabbit hole goes down. This is a very
interesting conversation. Scott Johnson has been with his power Line blog,
(16:36):
has been investigating the I guess fraud situation, different aspects
of it in Minneapolis or Minnesota. Scott, does this go
back twenty years twenty five years for you? How long
have you been doing your research and investigations.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Well, we started power Line in over a Memorial Day
weekend two thousand and two. I'm trying to thank the
free I really got seriously interested in this subject. I
covered the Minnesota was a fount of folks supporting al Shabab,
(17:13):
and in twenty sixteen there was a terrorism trial here.
There were nine charged Somali Minnesotas who were seeking to
join ISIS. Six of them pleaded guilty. Three of them
went to trial in twenty sixteen. I covered that trial,
and these were young, charismatic men who on the surface
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were apparently assimilated. They were well spoken, they were taking
advantage of opportunities, they were educated, they were taking advantage
of every employment and educational opportunity I could think of. So,
you know, I was exposed to some of them as
they came through the courtroom. But the three defendants, I
saw one of them testified and one of the nine
(17:59):
turned in and were a wire. So you got to
hear what these guys really thought of us, and it
was really it was shocking how much hatred they had
for the United States.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
And in the course of that trial, I saw, you know,
one of the programs they were taking advantage of was
student loans and one of the defendants pulled out five
hundred dollars on a debit card from his student loan
to finance his trip to Turkey to try to get
to Isis. And these folks were apprehended before they before
(18:33):
they left the United States. But it was shocking to
me how how cognizant they were of the seams and
the system that they could take advantage of and so on.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, it's really revealing.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
One of the places they investigated the way it had
all three it was like it had a transportation company
and it had like a home, a medicaid company, and
a daycare. They're aware of where you can go to
get the money. And as you said, it's nice that
you brought up the terrorism nexus of this.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I've got it right in front of me. Fox nine
out of Minneapolis, Saint Paul. They investigated this story and
there was literally reports. This was noted that millions of
dollars was being flown out of the Minneapolis airport in
suitcases in cash. They just had cash stuff in suitcases
and they're flying it to Somalia.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
It's beyond a doubt.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
A lot of that probably ended up with extremists, al
Shabab terrorists. And it says in that article that it's
well known that starting a daycare is a way to
print money in this community twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
It's just well feeding friendly.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah, and I think the cash being flown out he
has never been substantiated. But that's where we came in.
It was with daycare fraud. I wrote account for city
journal called MODISHU Minnesota, I think in twenty eighteen that
referred to the issue of daycare fraud and the story
about cash being flown to Somalia. I'm not so sure
(20:06):
that that part of it is true, but it certainly
has been a concern for a substantial period.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
At the time.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Well, so my question, then, Scott goes to the politicians
that have been complicit in this right. In twenty twenty three,
Governor walt said that, you know, childcare providers need a raise,
which basically, you know, was you know, a tip of
the cap to his his constituents in the smaller community.
I gotta believe, what, what are are we looking at
(20:32):
complicity within the elected class in Minnesota? Can we are
you going to be pursuing that investigation? What can we
expect in terms of Tim Waltz and other official officials
in the state.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I don't think Tim Walls and I don't think Attorney
General Keith Ellison. I don't think either one of them
has either said for an interview regarding what they knew
when when on this massive public programs fraud. And it
would be nice if, you know, the big media outlets
here like the Minneapolis Star Tribune now known as the
(21:04):
Minnesota Star Tribune, would ask for interviews and tell us
what the response is that they get. Will either of
these guys sit for an interview during the second of
these Feeding Our Future trials?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Earlier this year, I sent sets of questions.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
I asked for interviews of both Walls and Allison to
ask those questions, and I sent them written questions on
the subject of what they knew when when Keith Ellison,
the Attorney General of the state, is a guy who
brags about how he can spot a fraud when he's
talking about President Trump. So I was curious about when
he spotted the fraud that took place under his auspices
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here over the last six years.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
You know, these guys have specialized in either looking the
other way or facilitating ya what we've seen over the
past seven cases.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
We're out of time here, Scott, but thank you so much,
Thank you so much for your work.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Everyone.
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Very excited about our next guest, that is harm Meet
Dylan the Great harm Meat Dylan, who is the Assistant
Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division at the Department
of Justice. Harmony, Welcome back to the show. I'm very
excited to speak with you. You had a very lively
weekend holiday break and you're you're trying to explain things
(23:38):
I found. I was very sympathetic to where you're at
because I have, you know, in the last couple of months,
received my own fair amount of attention from conservative influencers
that don't seem to understand that we have a legal
system that has rules, it has timelines, and you're being
(24:00):
or perhaps you just observed some of the questions that
we're circulating about this post January sixth prosecution. People want
accountability for some of the stuff that happened. Obviously we
share those those desires, and you just basically said, am
I going to have to put down my knitting and
explain the statute of limitations to you people?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the floor is yours?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
What sparked this and what do you want the country
the conservative movement to know?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Well, thank you for having me, and thank you for asking.
It is certainly very frustrating to those of the Department
of Justice, where we are doing so much, we are
winning so many cases that court, we're putting wins on
the board, and Attorney General Pam Bondi and the rest
of us keep getting criticized for not having arrests like
arrests are entertainment are breading circuses, and in fact there
(24:48):
are arrests and there is a very lively activity from
are very committed and I think the most conservative Department
of business that we've ever had, so and I don't
think it's just people asking question whatever responding to what
was what looked to me like in organized campaign of
a stupid commentary that falsely claim that because January sixth
(25:09):
is coming up, there's a five year statutical limitation that
acquires on January sixth, twenty twenty five, and if the
Attorney General and the DADA hasn't indicted people by that time,
then that statue of limitation has run. And I think
it is paid. I think I see certainly those types
of influencers on X who are monetized repeating this propaganda
(25:31):
almost word for word, and I was frustrated by it.
It saw some pushback, it wasn't enough pushback, and so
I decided to get out there and you know, spew
some facts. Namely, there is no statutal limitations that runs
on that day. There are various status considered on a
run on a rowing basis, and some haven't even expired.
Because where there's a continuing conspiracy, which I think you
(25:53):
could make the case for in some circumstances, the Statute
of Limitations doesn't begin to run by east start until
that conspiracy, and they'll overact further into the conspiracy end.
And so I put some facts out there, and I
also expressed my frustration that so called conservative influencers are
clearly getting paid to spread click bait disinformation and it's
(26:16):
really annoying to me. And which people who get a
life where these to form themselves, to try the honest
instead of just trying to make money off of the
desperation of a less and formed populace.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Well, and I think that's really important. And we have
your tweet here. You said stuff happens January sixth. That
date is irrelevant. January sixth, Committee and Congress forms in
the summer. This is a relevant date. So statute the
limitations mid twenty twenty six. Potentially Jack Smith appointed over
a year later, so there's another date. Democrats in Congress
and those in the States colluding with Biden Whitehouse hide
(26:49):
their behavior, some of which still hasn't come to light.
Statute runs on this five years after their concealed behavior
is known to the government. This means the statue could
run in the next administration, and then you have a
note of encouragement to stop posting clickbait. I think that's
all fair. I actually, I actually was not booking you
(27:10):
on this topic, harm Meat. We wanted to have you
on because the Minnesota topic, and we've been covering that
throughout the show today. I mean, it was, it was
the number one topic Elon's posting about it. So I
appreciate the statute of limitations. I think you're you're getting
to a point that the base wants accountability, they want results,
(27:33):
and it's not just about the DOJ. It's not just
about Pambondi. You guys are doing great work at the
Department of Justice in a lot of different ways. And
I know because I've spoken with people. There's a lot
coming down the pike. So we can put a pin
in that if you'd like. But there's a lot coming
down the pike. Could you could you at least assure
our audience that you guys are working on stuff that
they're gonna like.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Absolutely, But let me continue the theme here of the
false narrative, which is that no one's going to go
to jail. We aren't doing anything. We haven't done a
thing where the aures this is nonsense, because the Attorney
General and under the DOJ, we have actually indicted ninety
nine people so far, and we're just getting started. In
the Minnesota Somali fraud rings. So far, there are over
(28:16):
sixty convictions and please hundreds of millions of dollars in
gold and restitue chet and you know, additional collateral crimes
including attempted bribery by one of these fraud stars trying
to deliver one hundred and twenty thousand dollars stats who
are yours home? And things like that, and so you know,
we're also uncovering. There's the news of similar types of
(28:38):
fraud happening in Ohio at other places where the smaller
community is because apparently this is a type of fraud
that they're they're talking among themselves, and it isn't just
Somali fraud. There's other fraud. I probably believe that there's
a state organized fraud. Frankly in Away in California where
Victor days Hanson talking about this on his spotcats, where
(29:01):
he's talking about you know, sort of inflated reimbursement requests
for ambulances from the state and then the states talkeets
the difference, and you know, all kinds of crazy stuff
like this medicaid fraud. There's autism fraud, and on and
on and on, and so we are so dedicated to this.
(29:22):
There are career prosecutors, a lot of political thing. This
is the type of thing that they did day in
and day out. And the Attorney General is so dedicated
to and I spoke to her about it yesterday to
not getting enough credit and it's not reasonable. And so
I just want people to understand that when they say
where are the arrests, there's no arrests, you're just sounding dumb,
because if you cracked open a browser and did a
(29:45):
little bit of research, you would find that there have
been many arrests, many convictions, convictions, many indictments, and ongoing
investigations here. And so I'm proud of the DJA and
the work that we're doing. And it would really make
it easier for us to to do our job and
we didn't have to spend time combating this information from
the public online, so which is practly religious and soft.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, and I want to take a minute, just a
moment here to pause. You mentioned Victor Davis Hansen, he
announced on his show. So we just want everybody to
pray for VDH. Great American, been on this show many times.
He says, I'm having a major operation and I've been
presented with a serious problem. But I'm going to do
all I can to solve it. And that's all I
can do, and trust in the power of prayer and
(30:30):
faith and in a wonderful surgeon. So it sounds like
he's going into surgery with a serious issue. I saw
you tweeting about that and retweeting, so I wanted to
pause right there.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
We love VDH.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He's a good, good American, great American, and so we
wish him all the all the best. Please do pray
for him. We need guys like VDH out there, a
voice of stability and of just wisdom. History, his his
context for just about every problem we face is is incredible.
So just wanted to pause and say that. So one
(31:03):
of the issues that you see if you go online
and again this is sort of the theme of our
conversation here, harmony is people want to see Tim Waltz,
Keith Ellison. They want to see these guys indicted, arrested
for their complicity or look turning the other way when
they knew the fraud was happening. There's a when the
(31:23):
previous segment, Blake mentioned a Fox nine article from twenty
nineteen where this sort of daycare fraud was publicized first,
and they were even alleging that some of the money
was getting to back to al Shabab. Even in twenty nineteen.
Then we had the City Journal reporting from Christopher Rufo
that basically alleged the same. What would it take to
(31:47):
indict a sitting governor? I mean, I know that you
have an official role and there's only so much you
can say, so please, by all means be careful, but
just legally speaking, I mean, we haven't really seen anything
like that, at least in living memory.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Well what we have, I mean Rod Blagoyevitch was of
course indebted, uh now correct. In fact, many Illinois governors
simply indicted and convicted of crimes and that you know
senators have as well, and it does happen. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, you know, I don't know if he was
sitting at the time, but he was convicted for behavior
(32:20):
that he then he allegedly engaged in while he was
a sitting governor. And so you know, it does take
time to put convictions together. So let me tell you how.
And again this is not my area of expertise. I'm
civil rights chief. I do have some criminal some jurisdiction
involving eight crimes and stuff. But there's there's a concept
in the DJ and also in state prosecutions called public correction.
(32:44):
And they're prosecutors and specialize in public correction cases. And
and there are difficult cases to bring, and they typically
involved informant or somebody who has then engaged in criminal
behaviors that filled like he bribes to a sitting official
and then perhaps the Greek wear a wire or you know. Otherwise,
there's theficient of it because they clean guilty and there's
(33:04):
graguary and then there's you know, enough evidence to go
in and get a wire tap and or financial records
and then go trace the money and build an iron
clad case. And I think that while I know there's
a thirst, kind of a revenge, you like thirst or
convictions and prosecutions, what we don't want is to have
a situation like where what happened to President's Trump? You know,
(33:28):
trunked updates, concocted cases. The EDS case, except you have
to actually do the loanwork, put that iron clad case together,
because you know what the other side is going to say.
They're going to say that it's politicized. That's setting one
hundred percent of cases involving public figures, this is political.
This is not a real case where we're seeing that
right now, that kind of commentary of politician Gens and
(33:50):
some others that are in the crossairs of prosecution. And
so I think that's what is happening here. And so
it isn't enough that a public figure saw a news
story five years ago that says that they're fraud in
their state. That's not it crime, but tying them to it,
trying them to either a financial motivation or a campaign
(34:11):
finance motivation where they look the other way, or they
accepted a gratuity or some benefit or right now ongoing Bedford,
including to their family, or so forth. With the arrange
that you're putting these faces together as important and I
can guarantee that every single person working in being leaders
of a business. Agoel was like nothing more than to
(34:31):
bring righteous cases against corrupt public officials. But let me
tell you a little uh call it a complex complication here.
You know, the whole problem would be blue slit process
that has been talked about. I'm sure you talked about
it on your show. Well, it's kind of weird when
you're in a blue state like Illinois or you know,
Minnesota or California and the Democrat senators get a veto,
(34:55):
But what who the prosecutor can be? Who might investigate them?
That seem here conflictive interest? And then I can tell you,
I could tell you actual complic sort of complex needs
of fraud that I believe are been committed by Democrat
public figures in California, and the blue slip process makes
(35:16):
it such that nobody ever gets approved by those Democrat
senators who isn't someone who they think is politically savvy
enough to look the other way and not come after that.
So that's why you see less of this. That's why
sometimes these prosecutions at to occur from a different district
or you know, out of main justice, and a lot
(35:38):
of this stuff never comes to light because of that,
So you rely on public figures coming forward and trying
to help us with the issue.
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the bv net and Yahoo news, you have news on
voting integrity. Voter integrity as well as some gun cases
that you're working. Please tell us about them.
Speaker 8 (37:25):
Well, Charlo, let's talk about the voting cases first. So
a few months ago I started this process of requesting
the voter rolls from all the states and here at
fort in the United States and asking them to share
them with us so that we can help these states
compare their voter roles against our government data and clean
their voter role. The requirement of states under federal law
(37:48):
to help America vote act, amongst others, and so there's
a lot of heaving in on and including for red states,
A lot of back and forth and then some outright
results to co operate from many states, and so I
and proud to report that today I'm in litigation with
twenty two states in the United States, and that's actually
twenty three lawsuits this California's two lawsuits. I also have
(38:10):
voluntary compliance on thirteen states, including Texas and several others.
And even on Christmas Eve and yourew, I had secretaries
of state uploading their data in the DJ that we
could do our work on it and help them clean
their voter roles. And so we're engaged in a quarter
and settlements with almost every state. I got North Carolina
(38:31):
really on to actual intuit Sudlin agreement with us to
clean up over one hundred thousand voter records that had
been improperly recorded and they didn't get the correct data,
but the disen shipped from those voters. I'msuing Georgia, including
for the Fulton County ballots that we were requested several
months ago and that they refused to give us. So
(38:51):
we're in multiple lawsuits over there. And of course even
after we filed that loss into the same week we
filled the lawsuit lass week. All that came out about
one hundreds of thousands of improperly recorded both with inappropriate
change of plesity and other Indisha in Georgia. So it
(39:14):
is really important work. We're excited about it. I wish
I had more hands than while people at the DAS
they do this with we're ordering very aggressively. So if
anybody watching this as a lawyer who wants to come
out their country, do the help clean up for voter roles.
Sure Election Integrity were looking to hire people on that,
and so I always keep people posted as people as
say therapisting to give me their data. We get to
(39:35):
a point where we know it's going to be they
know we see that, and so we where money where
our mouth is. And you know, I would have thought
when I got in there and Andrew that I would
have some template to pull from because surely the DADA
did this before, right right, They never did it before.
No Republican administration or even down a Pride administration did
voter role litigation before.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
That important cause you there, this is something Blake brought
up earlier that you know, you look back at what
Tom Emmer was saying about the Somali population twenty fifteen.
We need them. They're more American, and they're going to assimilate.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
He said, they assimilated better than any other group, and
they were you know, the Germans had done the exact
same thing.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, that's what he said. So that's what he said.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
But Blake made the astute point that now Tom Emmer
is on Fox basically calling for prosecutions and accountability, and listen,
I'm not necessarily letting him off the hook for being
a part of the problem in the first place. What
I am saying is the tone and tenor of the
entire conservative movement. If you took a snapshot in twenty fifteen,
and then you took a snapshot in the end here
(40:38):
of twenty twenty five, going into twenty twenty six, the aggressiveness,
the just conservativeness of the people in power and the
people in charge. We are light years ahead of where
we were a decade ago, thanks to President Trump, thanks
to Charlie Kirk, thanks to people like you, Harmy, and
so I just want to I just want to make
sure as there's all this consternation and frustration in the base,
(41:01):
it seems with lack of results, we are moving in
a very good direction. You We have har Meat Dylan
at the DOJ suing states to clean up voter rolls
and having massive results. That's that's the implications of that.
Couldn't be bigger harm Meat because it's it's going to
affect the midterms, It's going to affect twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
That's that's huge.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
What states I have to just ask are the worst
on the voter rolls? Who is fighting you the most
cleaning up their voter Is it California? I would presume, but.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Well, California as defree in resistance mode in New York?
May you know the usual suspects? All these states where
they don't require boeridy, they don't we Minnesota, why goodness,
you can? I mean Stott Presler, be friend of mine
posted about this yesterday. Where you can go in and
(41:51):
simply vouch for somebody's address, like you can bring your
eight Somali buds in and say, I vouch for this
person's address. That's all you need. You don't need, you, Bill, Andy, Bill,
you don't need anything with some potential fraudsture vouching. That's insane. Yeah,
you can't a country like that.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
We're running out of time. But I just want to say,
good work. We have your back one hundred percent, and
thanks for the updates, thanks for sticking with it, and uh,
you know, thanks for educating people a little bit. I
think that was important. Uh we will have you back
on again soon.
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