September 9, 2025 • 34 mins
Ben Shapiro joins us to discuss the Right’s recent grievance culture problem with Conservatives being anti-Israel, the future of the GOP in 2028, & “Lions & Scavengers”. Meanwhile, Dana recaps her trip on a Norwegian cruise with the Media Research Center including trolls, veganism, and scary waters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dana Lashes of surd Truth podcast sponsored by Keltech.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's his laugh mission to make bad decisions. It's time
for Florida man.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I don't know why with the cow in there every
time gets me. Okay, let's where do we start. Let's
start with this Florida man. Okay. So this is a
big o headline. A bartender stabs a customer who is
also a Florida man. They got into an argument over
They got into an argument over a bar tab and
(00:35):
then one of them made crude remarks about the other.
The others dead. Sorry, dead mother. There's a lot. There's
a lot to Oh, who would have thought with guy
with face tattoos? Uh, let's see so he oh, he
stabbed him ten times. It's called Grumpies Underground. You know
(00:55):
any place that looks like that with a handmade sign
just scream total legit. Right. Jason Rosario, thirty, faces a
charge of attempted second degree murder at Grumpy's Underground bar
in Orlando because of the problem because he uh uh
stabbed a dude ten times. So apparently long gosh, let's
(01:18):
go with this dramatic story, all right. So the cops
responded they were flagged down by a woman that had
blood all over her. She said she was in an
alley behind the bar too men were fighting. A man
brush past her, said there's a stabbing. They walked back
to the bar. Patron alerted her to the blood on
their hands. Blah blah blah. Cops interviewed them. They said
the victim happened because someone said that they could go.
I can't say that at all on air. I can't
say this one either. They made some comments that I
(01:39):
can't repeat on air, something about somebody's dead mom. And
then the guy came back said, let's take the situation outside.
They did stabbed him ten times. Now he's in jail.
There you go. It's a long story. It's the roadhouse.
You be nice until it's time to not be nice. Well,
what if they call my mom a hoort? Well? Is she?
I mean, it's just words that are put together to
(02:00):
elicit a response. Only the week respond. A Florida man
fishing uncovers a mystery wreckage in the mudflats, and now
the archaeologists are investigating. What'd you find, my dude? They've
said it could be a wrecked vessel. How much you
want to bet it's gonna be like some kind of
pirate ship, and there's gonna be like gold Bouleons or something. Right,
of course, enough stick with us. My longtime friend Ben Shapiro,
(02:26):
we used to be colleagues at Breibart under our late
friend Andrew Breitbart. He of course is the founder of
the Daily Wire. I think actually his most perhaps his
best accolade is number one rapper, you know, because he
was a rap artist at some point, and I just,
you know, I feel like that we need to make it.
I thought I was gonna see him at the VMAs,
you know, when watching that Ben Shapiro, who's a new book. Yeah,
(02:49):
don't think he's expecting that one. Lions and Scavengers, The
True Story of America is out now, he joins us
now via video. Good to see you, my friend. He
always congrats on the book. I got to get your
reaction to this SoundBite because I thought, well, who thinks
that Hamas might just be a political organization? That's asinine.
(03:11):
I mean, it is an ideologic as zealous ideologist. It's
a terrorist entity, Ben.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I mean literally the same day that audio was released,
Kamas performed a terrorist attack in Jerusalem that killed six
people and also released a video about how to shoot
up a boss. So yes, they are a terrorist group,
as it turns out, designated as such, not just by Israel,
but by the United States, the UK, the rest of
the EU, and the Muslim Brotherhood of which they are
at offshoot is designated a terrorist group by pretty much
everybody in the Middle least. So yes, I mean, just
(03:38):
technically speaking. The real question I think is what the
hell is going on with Tucker? I wish I had
an answer, I do not. This is the same interview
in which he said that you might want to send
condolences to the family of Osam Bin Laden.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It would just be the nice thing to do.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
He's releasing a documentary in a couple of days where
I suppose he's on Peers Morgan explaining that he thinks
that the Israelis had prior knowledge of nine to eleven
and then celebrated it happening. So you know something is
going on that is that is certainly strange with the
Tucker's foreign policy views. I think some of his domestic
policy views are kookie. This is, as the President put it,
his domest his foreign policy views are beyond kookie.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
At this point, Yeah, I kind of feel like maybe,
I don't know, it's just weird to watch his reasoning
lately because you and I we've known him for a
long time, and I'm just I'm just shocked that some
of the things that I'm seeing coming from some of
the people on the right, which kind of gets into
why in the world is this finding any kind of
audience with anybody on the right. Where did this come from?
I mean the idea that there are some people that
(04:33):
are arguing, you know, apparently in favor of Hamas for Gaza.
I'm just shocked or that are upset that, you know,
the Kataris were struck I mean for crying out loud,
I mean aiding and abetting Hamas and husblah working with Iran.
I wanted to get your thoughts on this. Where does
this come from? Why is it now that this is
finding and you know what I'm talking about, there's this
(04:54):
there's an audience, you know, a small group of people
I think on the right that for whom they are
really a green with this type of rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So I do think that it's mostly online.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't think that you see it a lot sort
of in your everyday life, but it does bleed over
from the online world into the regular world, particular among
young people who spend a lot of time online. I
think there's a grievance culture that has arisen on certain
parts of the right, kind of the horseshoe theory, right,
And the suggestion is they sort of take a grain
of truth and then they warp it into something completely false.
That the grain of truth is that white Christian males
(05:25):
have been put upon by some of the institutions of
the society, and there's truth to that. That was true under
Barack Obama, it was certainly to under Joe Biden, and
that has now been blown up into the idea that
all of the systems are a rayed against the interests
of white Christian males. And then once you say that,
you kind of enter a grievance minded politics where all
the institutions have to be torn down. Who are the
(05:45):
big beneficiaries of the system, the people who are the wealthiest,
the people who are the most educated, the people who
are the most successful. And then you start saying, well,
you know, there are a lot of Jews who are
very successful and very well educated, and internationally, Israel's doing
really well, and it must be that there's something nefarious
going on.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think that a lot of this theory seems to
be connected.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I mean, Tucker has had on guests in the past
several months who have suggested that the United States took
the wrong side in World War Two, that actually we
should have sided with Hitler in order to fight Stalin,
for example, while the Holocaust was going on. He is
speculated about whether the moon landing was real. He has
speculated about nine to eleven. I think a lot of
it has to do, again with this broader theory that America.
(06:23):
Something deeply wrong has happened in America since World War Two,
and really since the end of World War Two, and
every aspect of America that we think of as great,
things like free markets or things like strong presence in
the world, that all of that actually is a problem
and wrong and we need to rethink that entire thing.
And that means that you and I everybody else is
suffering from a sort of weird false consciousness where we've
(06:44):
been deceived into.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Believing that we won World War Two, where we were
deceived into believing we defeated the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, when you're I was thinking when you were
talking about this that in some ways it's kind of
like a reverse critical race theory in some respects, where
you're going after these pillars of our republic to tear
them down for the purpose of what reshaping it. How
I mean, that's kind of what I Maybe it's the
Katari influencer network. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I always hesitate to say that people are doing it
for the money, because you know, maybe they're just doing
it for ideological reasons. But the bottom line is that
if you spend all day trafficking and conspiracy theories and
that there are actual conspiracies in the world, and you
can tell them because they have evidence, like things that
actually happen like Russia Gate, for example, like the FBI
going after the president of the United States, like the
manipulation of data during COVID. All that stuff we have
(07:32):
evidence for and we know that it happened because there's
evidence of it. But when you get into conspiracy theorizing
about how these kind of shadowy networks you can never
quite name our responsible for unspecified evils, and the only
way to do something about it is to listen to
me as I guide you through the wayward paths and
thickets of conspiracism. Well, number one, it's enervating. I think
(07:53):
it's kind of an enervation op. It's a demoralization op.
And what that really amounts to in the end is
listen to me, because I will debunk all of the
world for you. Your life's not gonna get better in any way.
We won't fix anything, we'll degrade all of the games
that we've made as terrible. But but you will feel
as though you have a sort of secret knowledge. And
I do think there are a lot of people traffic
in that sort of crap this these days.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and well, the engagement pays. We know that. I mean,
there are people who've developed entire personas based on you
know what you're talking about, like these conspiracy theories and
all of this other stuff. This kind of gets into
this this article. I was looking at the divide over
Israel goes down to like an age gap, And I
mean you could like say, maybe like somewhere the demarcation
line might be millennials. I feel like gen X is
(08:36):
so much smarter than all of this, but there is
this line at some point. How do we fix this
on the right and get back to a point where
everybody used to be on the same page that terrorists
are terrorists, and terrorists are bad the United States. We
don't work with them, we don't reward them, we don't
coddle them, we don't make it easy for them. How
(08:56):
do we get back to that and fix this?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, I think the first argument that we need
to make to people who are young and there really
is an age d marcation. It really starts, you know,
below the age of thirty, people who are very very online.
I think that the best argument you can make is
any of this making your life better or is your
life markedly worse because you're listening to all of this trash.
You have not improved your life in any way by
listening to this stuff. You are dumber, you know fewer things.
You are not acting in responsible ways in the world.
(09:20):
You're not going out and like pursuing getting married, or
going to church, or making your community better, or getting
a job or advancing in the world. You're sitting around
and complaining that the world is a rat against you.
And maybe if I just listened to this one extra podcast,
I'll find out the secret. The world is a rate
against me, and that's really a terrible feeling I think
for a lot of young people. And so the question
that I would ask everybody when people are selling this
(09:42):
kind of soap to you is how does it make
your life better?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What decisions are you making that are smarter or better?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And now that you're listening to this trash, where do
you feel as though your life got better because you
now question whether the moon landing was real or whether
all Kite actually did nine to eleven, or is it
just that you're entertained by it or you feel it's
transgressive in some way. If if you want a stronger country,
you should understand one thing. Fundamentally, America is awesome. This
place is great, and that doesn't mean there aren't flaws
(10:07):
with it that we can fix. We can fix some
of those flaws, but the systems of America, like you know,
free markets and free minds and rule of law and
traditional virtue like these are very very good things. And
if instead we're going to get a bunch of conspiracized
crap that has no relation to reality, then the result
is going to be probably something that looks more like
Bernie Sanders's arm Momdanni than you're willing to admit.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And that brings us to the next presidential election. For
those joining us, we're talking to Ben Shapiro his latest book,
Lions and Scavengers, which it's like kind I like the
word and I like the concept because it's kind of
like have and have nots, but it dives, you know, obviously,
way deeper into that. We'll talk about that in a moment.
Who do you see as the leader of the Republican
Party after Trump is out? Because I you know, I
(10:49):
was talking to some folks at an event over the
past week and I was telling them, I think the
biggest threat to the future of the Republican Party is
if the party has an inability to move past person
and refocus on issues and why we all do what
we do in the first place. Can we get Is
that something we're going to be able to get past?
Because I don't know who can take that place of Trump.
(11:09):
I mean, he's like kind of like a once in
a lifetime candidate love him or hate him, No one
is like him. Who how do we how do What
does it look like if you look in your crystal ball,
what do you see in the next election?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And I think you asked why this was happening right now.
I think the reason is because there's already a battle
going on for what comes next after Trump, and there's
a conspiratorial wing of the Republican Party that says they
actually want to seize away from Trump his own movement.
And so that Trump betrayed himself by by attacking Iron
for example, or that that Trump has betrayed himself by
siding with Israel against Kamas. You know that that part
of the movement wants to grab control. This is people
(11:39):
like Marjorie Taylor, Green Tucker, some of these folks. And
then you have folks who are sort of more libertarian minded,
like Elon Right, who are trying to grab control of
the movement and moved in that direction. Because Trump is
such a huge personality, and because he's so famous and
he's so kind of gigantic, he's able to contain multitudes
within him and then and then sort of build a
coalition underneath him. I don't see anybody on the horizon
(12:01):
who's like that, and so I think that we're going
to have to go through a bit of a fight
here to determine what ideas lead the coalition. Yeah, I
think that everybody's sort of tapping JD. Vans on the
shoulder as the heir apparent, And maybe that's true. I mean,
just statistically speaking, the vice president is very frequently the
next nominee of the party. But the idea of the
JD can somehow just pick up the Trump coalition and
then carry it across the finish line. That is almost
(12:23):
never true in politics. It was not true for Hillar
to Clinton about Barack Obama. It was really not true
about George H. W. Bush about Ronald Reagan. Every politician
has to have their own coalition, and there are some
uneasy scenes inside, for example, the j. Devans coalition between
sort of the theod Libertarians and the Tucker isolationists and
kind of big governments Appalachia types. So it's going to
(12:45):
be hard, i think, for the Republican Party to replace
somebody like Trump in the same way it's been impossible
for the Democrats to replace somebody like Barack Obama, which means,
as you say, we're going to need to go back
to some first principles and decide what are our actual ideas.
It can't just be we don't like the Democrat. It's
got to be like what are we actually about here?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Which brings us to your book, Lines and Scavengers. I think,
I mean, it's almost self explanatory, you know. I mean,
you do have those two types of thought that kind
of built this republic, and you're seeing that fight play
out now regardless of party. Tell me a little bit
about this, because you know, I have not admittedly I've
not read the book yet, but I love the I
(13:22):
like the title, I love the concept of it, and
I think that it it. You're looking to explain this
in a way that even mainstream media people can process it,
because I think that you know, the Brian Saltzers of
the world, they don't understand. They don't understand any of this.
They don't understand this concept. Why now, why this book?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean again, I think that the reason that this
originally arose is right after October seventh, at month and
a half, I was debating at University of Oxford, one
of the great historic institutions of the West, obviously, and
the security team that I travel with they told me
you're not allowed to stay in London.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's too dangerous.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
There's a gigantic, procramous protests there, and so we stayed
about an hour outside of London. And then when we
went to Universe City of Oxford, who's also extremely fraud
I mean, it's a very close packed room.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There are a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
There who really really don't just dislike Jews, they actually
really dislike Western civilization. We're chanting about how terrible America
is and all the rest. And I walked out thinking
to myself, there is something deeply wrong when the heart
of Western civilization has basically been overrun by people who
hate the civilization. And when you see people marching on
college campuses carrying a variety of banners, right, it can
be anything from LGBTQ plus causes to immigration to global warming,
(14:29):
the sort of omni cause. They march under different banners,
but it's all the same group of people. Those people
have nothing in common. Like what is queers for Palestine
are Like that doesn't make any sense. I mean in
Palestine they throw queers off buildings, right, I mean that's
what they do. And so what is that about? And
the answer is all these people envy and hate the West,
and so they see the institutions of the West is
threatening to them personally, and they are able to cobble
(14:50):
together a coalition and people who actually really dislike each
other in order to tear that down. And so what
I'm juxtaposing here is the lions people who actually are
focused on things like building community, innovating, risk taking, going
and building a business, going and building up your church,
defending your civilization as a member of the military or
the police, from the people who are largely motivated by
envy and a belief that everything is owed to them
(15:11):
and they have to provide nothing in return, and that
therefore any shortcoming in their life is society's fault and
you got to rip everything down. And Zornmmdannie is obviously
a kind of perfect alpha example of this. Somebody who's
been given literally everything by the United States, came here
as a child immigrant, grew up in a very wealthy family,
privilege in every way it is possible to be privileged,
has never held a real job in his life, has
(15:33):
less of a successful rap career than I do. For
God's sake, somehow is ending up as the mayor of
New York based solely on this idea that he has
grievances that things are unaffordable and therefore capitalism is bad
and he's going to tax the hell out of everybody
and release all the prisoners. And he's going to have
the New York State boycott Israel like all this kind
of crap. And so the question is, are we civilization
(15:54):
that wants to stand for our fundamental principles or we
want to engage in this sort of envious grievance culture.
And one of the things I do in the books,
I do not juxtapose right and left. I don't think
that every lion is on the right, and I don't
think every scavenger is on the left. As we've been
talking about, I think that there are people who I
disagree with about tax rates who are very much creative,
entrepreneurial forces in the world seeking to build things. And
(16:14):
there are people with whom I agree about tax rates
who are very much in the envious mold and seeking
to rip down key pillars of the institutions of the
United States in search of some sort of past that
never existed.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That's very interesting, kind of like the Elon Musks and
the Jeff Bezos of the world. Sometimes you can be
chaos neutral. Yeah, absolute factly this book. I love the
back by the way, I love the back quote that
you take from the introduction seen very seeing the Scavengers
will master the world, unless that's a big word, unless
the book is Lions and Scavengers The True Story of
(16:47):
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Speaker 2 (17:59):
Now all of the use you would probably miss. It's
time for Dana's quick five.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
A Republican bill, and Ohio is allowing you is going
to aims anyway to allow utility companies to limit customers
energy usage. It's it's representative Roy Klopfeindstein from Havelin. He
said that the measure hasn't been assigned a committee they're
talking about. He's a I think he's Ohio a lawmaker.
(18:26):
But what why are we having energy problems? Why would
we have to limit I'm gonna tell you, I'm not
gonna have my energy. I would not have I will.
I will literally ryot. I'm not threatening that like like idly.
I actually will riot Kane, I will stomp on some shrubs. No,
(18:46):
I actually am I would take to the streets over this.
That's that's a major issue. Let people get what they
pay for lumber. Prices are flashing a warning sign for
US economy that's coming out of the Wall Street Journal.
They said, wood prices are sliding, mills are cutting back
because of uncertainty over tariffs and a building slump. Well, yeah,
we've gotta have more deals cut and yes, you are
(19:07):
going to have prices increase in certain things because it's
literally how terriffs work. It's supposed to be leverage. I
get it, it's a tactic. But I will also warn
that the White House has got to get all these
deals buttoned up in order to reverse this and to
stop that. So that's we all knew they're going into it.
The twenty twenty five American dream, this is depressing will
cost you five million dollars. What besides this? This is
(19:32):
it's a it's an interesting piece in Newsweek, although they
bury the lead like a million paragraphs down, which I
can't stand. No one. It's like how you go to
a recipe find out like a recipe online. I really,
I don't care about your life. I don't care about
your kids, I don't care about your house. I don't
care about anything. Just give me your stupid food recipe
or shut up. Give me the recipeer. Get out. There's
actually a website that you can put the recipe link
(19:52):
into and it does all that. It strips it all out.
Did you know that? I swear to you it is.
It's real. I can't remember it right now. I have
it saved, but it's true. Anyway, there's saying that were
the American dream, especially when you look at retirement, et cetera. Yeah,
it's like five million dollars. Long story, short saved you
a click. Let's see. Scott Bessen apparently got into a
fight per Politico with an administration rifle and threatened to
(20:13):
punch him in the blanking face, which makes me like
Scott Bessen even more. We I mean, if you're displeased,
say it. I like the fact that he's very forthright
about it. He threatened to punch top housing finance official
Bill Puilt in the blanking face. Yeah, that sounds about
(20:33):
do you when you look at Scott Bessen seem like that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's like a timid guy that knows a lot about finance.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, he seems can be real. I don't mean to
be disapped. He seems like a dork kind of Yeah,
so it's like weird when a doork is like I'm
gonna punch you in your blanket face, I'm like, you're
a spicy dork. What all right? So we uh, let's see.
Israeli start up red Sea Biotech wants to replace donors
with lab grown blood from stem cells. I don't like that.
(21:06):
I don't like and look again, Hi, I don't even
have a roomba, don't even have that. Why does it
need to be lab grown? The only thing that's okay
for lab grown is diamonds. Oh, it is to stop
acting like somehow because kids mind it with their hands
that it's more romantic. Shut up. I can't even stand
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stop it. It's a rock. I mean for crying out loud.
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your hostess. I've come back from the North. We are
here at the start of this third hour of radio. Welcome.
I have no idea whim talking like that. It seemed
fun to do at the time. Welcome Dana lash with you.
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Don't forget we got the chat at Rumble and you
can live street. You can watch it do the radio show.
We don't have teleprompters, so I have a screen that
I look down at too for the drive BIS. I
always wanted to just blow that up that you can
watch us to radio channel through forty seven Direct TV
watch us there. So I was in Norway with MRC
for like a week and a half and I had
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brown cheese. It's like the way of cheese with goats
milk the process and then like you boil it down
and caramelize it and it gets and then you slice
into cheese and you put it on a waffle with
some marmalade. And I had it with a pint for
second breakfast and it was delicious. And a town called Schuldern.
I did kind of learn how to pronounce some of
the town's names. You'll be very pleased. I did go
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on a cruise. Would you guys know my thing about cruises?
Do I like the cruise boats? I don't know. But
I did have to take prescription anti nausea. Big tip
by the way, big thanks to have All Family Pharmacy,
who doesn't even have a live plan for today, but
All Family pharmacy forget me the I'm drugs because it's
the only way I was. Your girl was staying on
that boat because at the North Sea are angry man
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and they don't like you, and they it's like the
sea was trying to throw us off for a while.
It was like a bucking bronco And so I was.
I had all the you know, it's taken all the
anti nausea meds and it worked. And people were like, oh,
you need to try some ginger for oad. I love you,
but that's not gonna work. Blaenln A little lemon and
ginger ain't working for me. Okay, I need an RX strength.
(24:25):
So thanks to all Family Pharmacy for making that happen.
So yeah, we did the boat thing. I didn't even know,
and we got meat and potatoes to get into and
we're going to talk to my friend Ben Shapiro used
to work with him, or Bright Bart back in the day.
He's gonna be on at the bottom of the hour.
But I did not know that it was a whole culture.
Did you know that Kane cruise ships are like a
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whole culture. I did not know that me. I didn't know.
I didn't know that and there there were a lot
of spaces on the boat and there were like big
I walked around like I can't believe all this is
on a boat. That expression on my face the whole time. Uh,
but yeah, it was interesting. And then we got to
go and see a lot of very cool We got
to this little bitty tiny village in Norway shoulderen it's
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at the end of the Sonyan Fjord. Yeah, I think
that's it. And okay, I have a story. So trolls
are everywhere, right, So we go to this tiny, tiny,
little village and you get off and walk a mile
and that's great. You know, you're out nature. It's beauty.
It's so beautiful. You think it's fake, right, You're you're
like this is some Lord of the Rings, Like there's
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gonna be some orcs that pop out here at any moment.
You know. I feel like, you know, we're we're in Rivendell.
It felt like we were in Rivendell. So anyway, we
uh go and we're in Schulden and they were amazing
and I we go into I guess they're like tourist
information place and we were learning about the Stave churches
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and all this stuff. And there were trolls, troll dolls
and troll figurines. And you know how some people people
put sor at geese in front of their houses. Okay,
it's trolls there instead of the geese, it's trolls. And
my husband, just like offhanded, asked this one what very
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tall woman. She clearly she was Norwegian. She was like
five thousand feet tall. And they were all like, they
don't age. I think they're vampires. And this other woman,
I swear she had to be ninety. She had like
long white hair that was in a braid. I mean
like they all look like shield maidens that were there anyway,
And he's like, well, can you tell us about the trolls,
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Like is it like, you know, kind of a funny thing.
Is it a masscut? And she goes, well, you know,
if you look up into the mountain, I can't do
the accent. If you look up into the mountain and
you might see, she said, like a glint of light.
It could be a troll. We had no idea if
she was being serious or not, but she scared the
hell out of us. We had no eye I felt like,
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you know how Kane says that he old people scare him.
So it was like, I couldn't tell if it was
like it was, I didn't know what to do. She
was like not. She was so serious and she was
telling us this, and we're like, oh my gosh, they're
rolling them out, like what is happening. You would have
been terrified, Kane. All their old people were bigger than you,
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and you're a tall dude the average size, and all
the old people are bigger than you. They don't shrink,
they just get taller. I don't know he'll be honest
with them. Yeah, you would have. You would have been like, I,
I gotta go back to the book, just terrified. I'd
tell them I just don't assume they're innocent.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I'm just saying we made, uh, made friends with some animals,
and you know, I mean, there's just beautiful, absolutely beautiful
up there. They are actually thinking. So. David Bisel Media
Research Center was telling me that Norway is considering banning
ships that use like diesel or fossil fuels. They haven't
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fully banned diesel ships, but they've mandated zero emission operation
for small in for larger ships by twenty thirty two.
In their Fjords to reduce pollution, and they said that
you have to use zero emission. The whole time we
were up there, it was super rainy and cloudy except
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for like a day. So I don't know how the
how the how that would work with the solar power.
But are they going to do that with their airplanes too?
I'm curious. Is it just the boats or I don't
I don't know how some of those towns live, those
towns villages. I don't know how. I don't know how
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some of those villages unless it's the tourism coming in
from And I am not a cruise person. So it's
the first ever large boat I've ever been on, and
I'm still not used to it. Uh, But I don't
know what because of some of the ways you could
only get there easily. To access some of these villages
are literally by boat. So are they going to do
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this with their planes too? Are they going to have
like zero zero emission planes. Would you want to be
on like a hydro powered or solar powered plane? We redacted? No, No,
thank you, kall y. I don't want to be on
anything like that. No, No, are always angry over that.
Oh the sea was giving us a giant middle finger.
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At one point I watched it. I looked out the
window and like the water came up and it It
was pretty man, I'm telling you, it was pretty pretty wild.
So I don't know what that They're all obsessed with
zero emission. There's a lot of modernity. I hate modernity.
I've seen a couple of news articles occur or published
in the past week that talk about our return to
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like maximalism, which just I mean it. I don't like
the modernity because I think it's insufferably bougie and pretentious.
And I also think modern architecture looks like garbage and
everything ends up looking like Borderlands in ten years. It
all looks like trash. There's one thing where when we
were in am Ssterdam, the modern architecture was killing my soul,
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was killing my soul. Cane part of it was rotting
and withering away because it was exposed to modern architecture.
And I'm like a vampire to sunlight. With some of
that stuff, I just I can't I can't handle it. So,
m yeah, I that was the only Those are my
only criticisms. If I had to say anyway, the but
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it was it was a very It was a fascinating,
fascinating experience, very fascinating experience. And we were there with
Kevin Sorbo, who's also really tall, but it was only
rendered average over there. It was pretty interesting to see
Hercules humbled because he's like a thousand feet tall. Also,
he's just a large, large man. He's very tall, and
all like him, and all of his kids are tall,
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et cetera. So here's something interesting. One of their kids,
they were at a buffet in Amsterdam and they were
going to get eggs, and somebody complained at the buffet
that they didn't want non halal offerings on the buffet,
so they had to shut it down and make it vegetarian.
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I would literally chop someone's head off for that, Like, oh,
you think your ideology is bad? If I don't get
protein in the morning, I get head chopping hungry. That's
what happens. Like I will immediately, you know, hassan, chop
your head off because I didn't get my protein. That's
exactly what would happen. I would, I mean, and I
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am not even joking. I actually would be very forthright
like that. Who gets to dictate that stuff? And it
can we just be real. The only reason that a
lot of the Islamism stuff that anybody even pays attention
to their threats is because other Islamists have chopped people's
heads off. I mean, how many heads got a roll
before people start? I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying,
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what would you do if you were at a buffet
and someone's like, oh no, sir, there was a complaint,
this is not holng.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
If I was also head choppinghungry like you.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, oh man, I get, I get, yeah, I'll do
some head chopping. My husband basically just has to throw
bacon at me and run away just to save himself.
When I get hay angry in the morning, then I
calm down. It's like, you know how if you feed
Gizmo after midnight, he turns into a gremlin. Okay, so
the opposite is true with me. In the morning, I
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wake up a gremlin, and then after I get protein,
I turned into Gizmo. So it's anyway I would I
would not have tolerated that. I don't think. I don't
think that would have worked well. But yeah, it was
a very interesting experience. It was very It was a
very goth trip because the weather was pretty god.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You have to bring any exotic food home, Livi or I.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tried to know you. I wanted to bring whale meat,
but you can't. What you can it's the meat of
a whale, right, it had blubber on it, right, you
can reduce that downliced. You know.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So you weren't able to bring it?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
No, no, because they don't allow it. There's certain things,
and I get it, you know, agriculture, I mean we
don't really. You can bring reindier meat apparently, but you
can't bring whale meat. I don't know why is it.
I mean, I'm not gonna go up there and tell
the Nords what to do, but you know, I don't
know it is. I guess it's I don't know if
the the it was whale meat, That's all I know.
And they had it at a troll shops. Yeah, but
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I did have the brown cheese. I was trying to
look for some weird fish, but it was very difficult
to find some authentic Nord because I liked I don't
do excursions and I don't like tours. I like to
I'm really nuts about this stuff, and so I will
research the area, and we were going into all these
very interesting places. But I felt like a lot of
people thought, oh, we're the only US Nordic people like
the weird fish, so we want to make sure that,
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you know, Americans or Europeans can come in and eat stuff.
So I feel like there was it was really hard
to find even some kind of odd fish to say
nothing of like the weird fish meals. I wanted something
that they had to go into a pit in the
backyard and dig up and then you know, shake the
dirt out of it before they slept it on a plate.
I mean, I've seen I've see some of these cooking shows.
I know how it happens. Just saying like, what is
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it lutfisk and then someone said simmers murmur marine. I
don't know, there's a fish that has like three m's
in it. I don't know. It's like a dish and
some geese. I don't know. This is very there, seems
very very fun, fascinating trip. Thanks for tuning in to
today's edition of Dana Lash's Absurd Truth Podcast.
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It's his laugh mission to make bad decisions. It's time
for Florida man.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I don't know why with the cow in there every
time gets me. Okay, let's where do we start. Let's
start with this Florida man. Okay. So this is a
big o headline. A bartender stabs a customer who is
also a Florida man. They got into an argument over
They got into an argument over a bar tab and
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then one of them made crude remarks about the other.
The others dead. Sorry, dead mother. There's a lot. There's
a lot to Oh, who would have thought with guy
with face tattoos? Uh, let's see so he oh, he
stabbed him ten times. It's called Grumpies Underground. You know
(00:55):
any place that looks like that with a handmade sign
just scream total legit. Right. Jason Rosario, thirty, faces a
charge of attempted second degree murder at Grumpy's Underground bar
in Orlando because of the problem because he uh uh
stabbed a dude ten times. So apparently long gosh, let's
(01:18):
go with this dramatic story, all right. So the cops
responded they were flagged down by a woman that had
blood all over her. She said she was in an
alley behind the bar too men were fighting. A man
brush past her, said there's a stabbing. They walked back
to the bar. Patron alerted her to the blood on
their hands. Blah blah blah. Cops interviewed them. They said
the victim happened because someone said that they could go.
I can't say that at all on air. I can't
say this one either. They made some comments that I
(01:39):
can't repeat on air, something about somebody's dead mom. And
then the guy came back said, let's take the situation outside.
They did stabbed him ten times. Now he's in jail.
There you go. It's a long story. It's the roadhouse.
You be nice until it's time to not be nice. Well,
what if they call my mom a hoort? Well? Is she?
I mean, it's just words that are put together to
(02:00):
elicit a response. Only the week respond. A Florida man
fishing uncovers a mystery wreckage in the mudflats, and now
the archaeologists are investigating. What'd you find, my dude? They've
said it could be a wrecked vessel. How much you
want to bet it's gonna be like some kind of
pirate ship, and there's gonna be like gold Bouleons or something. Right,
of course, enough stick with us. My longtime friend Ben Shapiro,
(02:26):
we used to be colleagues at Breibart under our late
friend Andrew Breitbart. He of course is the founder of
the Daily Wire. I think actually his most perhaps his
best accolade is number one rapper, you know, because he
was a rap artist at some point, and I just,
you know, I feel like that we need to make it.
I thought I was gonna see him at the VMAs,
you know, when watching that Ben Shapiro, who's a new book. Yeah,
(02:49):
don't think he's expecting that one. Lions and Scavengers, The
True Story of America is out now, he joins us
now via video. Good to see you, my friend. He
always congrats on the book. I got to get your
reaction to this SoundBite because I thought, well, who thinks
that Hamas might just be a political organization? That's asinine.
(03:11):
I mean, it is an ideologic as zealous ideologist. It's
a terrorist entity, Ben.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I mean literally the same day that audio was released,
Kamas performed a terrorist attack in Jerusalem that killed six
people and also released a video about how to shoot
up a boss. So yes, they are a terrorist group,
as it turns out, designated as such, not just by Israel,
but by the United States, the UK, the rest of
the EU, and the Muslim Brotherhood of which they are
at offshoot is designated a terrorist group by pretty much
everybody in the Middle least. So yes, I mean, just
(03:38):
technically speaking. The real question I think is what the
hell is going on with Tucker? I wish I had
an answer, I do not. This is the same interview
in which he said that you might want to send
condolences to the family of Osam Bin Laden.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It would just be the nice thing to do.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
He's releasing a documentary in a couple of days where
I suppose he's on Peers Morgan explaining that he thinks
that the Israelis had prior knowledge of nine to eleven
and then celebrated it happening. So you know something is
going on that is that is certainly strange with the
Tucker's foreign policy views. I think some of his domestic
policy views are kookie. This is, as the President put it,
his domest his foreign policy views are beyond kookie.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
At this point, Yeah, I kind of feel like maybe,
I don't know, it's just weird to watch his reasoning
lately because you and I we've known him for a
long time, and I'm just I'm just shocked that some
of the things that I'm seeing coming from some of
the people on the right, which kind of gets into
why in the world is this finding any kind of
audience with anybody on the right. Where did this come from?
I mean the idea that there are some people that
(04:33):
are arguing, you know, apparently in favor of Hamas for Gaza.
I'm just shocked or that are upset that, you know,
the Kataris were struck I mean for crying out loud,
I mean aiding and abetting Hamas and husblah working with Iran.
I wanted to get your thoughts on this. Where does
this come from? Why is it now that this is
finding and you know what I'm talking about, there's this
(04:54):
there's an audience, you know, a small group of people
I think on the right that for whom they are
really a green with this type of rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So I do think that it's mostly online.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't think that you see it a lot sort
of in your everyday life, but it does bleed over
from the online world into the regular world, particular among
young people who spend a lot of time online. I
think there's a grievance culture that has arisen on certain
parts of the right, kind of the horseshoe theory, right,
And the suggestion is they sort of take a grain
of truth and then they warp it into something completely false.
That the grain of truth is that white Christian males
(05:25):
have been put upon by some of the institutions of
the society, and there's truth to that. That was true under
Barack Obama, it was certainly to under Joe Biden, and
that has now been blown up into the idea that
all of the systems are a rayed against the interests
of white Christian males. And then once you say that,
you kind of enter a grievance minded politics where all
the institutions have to be torn down. Who are the
(05:45):
big beneficiaries of the system, the people who are the wealthiest,
the people who are the most educated, the people who
are the most successful. And then you start saying, well,
you know, there are a lot of Jews who are
very successful and very well educated, and internationally, Israel's doing
really well, and it must be that there's something nefarious
going on.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think that a lot of this theory seems to
be connected.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I mean, Tucker has had on guests in the past
several months who have suggested that the United States took
the wrong side in World War Two, that actually we
should have sided with Hitler in order to fight Stalin,
for example, while the Holocaust was going on. He is
speculated about whether the moon landing was real. He has
speculated about nine to eleven. I think a lot of
it has to do, again with this broader theory that America.
(06:23):
Something deeply wrong has happened in America since World War Two,
and really since the end of World War Two, and
every aspect of America that we think of as great,
things like free markets or things like strong presence in
the world, that all of that actually is a problem
and wrong and we need to rethink that entire thing.
And that means that you and I everybody else is
suffering from a sort of weird false consciousness where we've
(06:44):
been deceived into.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Believing that we won World War Two, where we were
deceived into believing we defeated the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, when you're I was thinking when you were
talking about this that in some ways it's kind of
like a reverse critical race theory in some respects, where
you're going after these pillars of our republic to tear
them down for the purpose of what reshaping it. How
I mean, that's kind of what I Maybe it's the
Katari influencer network. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I always hesitate to say that people are doing it
for the money, because you know, maybe they're just doing
it for ideological reasons. But the bottom line is that
if you spend all day trafficking and conspiracy theories and
that there are actual conspiracies in the world, and you
can tell them because they have evidence, like things that
actually happen like Russia Gate, for example, like the FBI
going after the president of the United States, like the
manipulation of data during COVID. All that stuff we have
(07:32):
evidence for and we know that it happened because there's
evidence of it. But when you get into conspiracy theorizing
about how these kind of shadowy networks you can never
quite name our responsible for unspecified evils, and the only
way to do something about it is to listen to
me as I guide you through the wayward paths and
thickets of conspiracism. Well, number one, it's enervating. I think
(07:53):
it's kind of an enervation op. It's a demoralization op.
And what that really amounts to in the end is
listen to me, because I will debunk all of the
world for you. Your life's not gonna get better in any way.
We won't fix anything, we'll degrade all of the games
that we've made as terrible. But but you will feel
as though you have a sort of secret knowledge. And
I do think there are a lot of people traffic
in that sort of crap this these days.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and well, the engagement pays. We know that. I mean,
there are people who've developed entire personas based on you
know what you're talking about, like these conspiracy theories and
all of this other stuff. This kind of gets into
this this article. I was looking at the divide over
Israel goes down to like an age gap, And I
mean you could like say, maybe like somewhere the demarcation
line might be millennials. I feel like gen X is
(08:36):
so much smarter than all of this, but there is
this line at some point. How do we fix this
on the right and get back to a point where
everybody used to be on the same page that terrorists
are terrorists, and terrorists are bad the United States. We
don't work with them, we don't reward them, we don't
coddle them, we don't make it easy for them. How
(08:56):
do we get back to that and fix this?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, I think the first argument that we need
to make to people who are young and there really
is an age d marcation. It really starts, you know,
below the age of thirty, people who are very very online.
I think that the best argument you can make is
any of this making your life better or is your
life markedly worse because you're listening to all of this trash.
You have not improved your life in any way by
listening to this stuff. You are dumber, you know fewer things.
You are not acting in responsible ways in the world.
(09:20):
You're not going out and like pursuing getting married, or
going to church, or making your community better, or getting
a job or advancing in the world. You're sitting around
and complaining that the world is a rat against you.
And maybe if I just listened to this one extra podcast,
I'll find out the secret. The world is a rate
against me, and that's really a terrible feeling I think
for a lot of young people. And so the question
that I would ask everybody when people are selling this
(09:42):
kind of soap to you is how does it make
your life better?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What decisions are you making that are smarter or better?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And now that you're listening to this trash, where do
you feel as though your life got better because you
now question whether the moon landing was real or whether
all Kite actually did nine to eleven, or is it
just that you're entertained by it or you feel it's
transgressive in some way. If if you want a stronger country,
you should understand one thing. Fundamentally, America is awesome. This
place is great, and that doesn't mean there aren't flaws
(10:07):
with it that we can fix. We can fix some
of those flaws, but the systems of America, like you know,
free markets and free minds and rule of law and
traditional virtue like these are very very good things. And
if instead we're going to get a bunch of conspiracized
crap that has no relation to reality, then the result
is going to be probably something that looks more like
Bernie Sanders's arm Momdanni than you're willing to admit.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And that brings us to the next presidential election. For
those joining us, we're talking to Ben Shapiro his latest book,
Lions and Scavengers, which it's like kind I like the
word and I like the concept because it's kind of
like have and have nots, but it dives, you know, obviously,
way deeper into that. We'll talk about that in a moment.
Who do you see as the leader of the Republican
Party after Trump is out? Because I you know, I
(10:49):
was talking to some folks at an event over the
past week and I was telling them, I think the
biggest threat to the future of the Republican Party is
if the party has an inability to move past person
and refocus on issues and why we all do what
we do in the first place. Can we get Is
that something we're going to be able to get past?
Because I don't know who can take that place of Trump.
(11:09):
I mean, he's like kind of like a once in
a lifetime candidate love him or hate him, No one
is like him. Who how do we how do What
does it look like if you look in your crystal ball,
what do you see in the next election?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And I think you asked why this was happening right now.
I think the reason is because there's already a battle
going on for what comes next after Trump, and there's
a conspiratorial wing of the Republican Party that says they
actually want to seize away from Trump his own movement.
And so that Trump betrayed himself by by attacking Iron
for example, or that that Trump has betrayed himself by
siding with Israel against Kamas. You know that that part
of the movement wants to grab control. This is people
(11:39):
like Marjorie Taylor, Green Tucker, some of these folks. And
then you have folks who are sort of more libertarian minded,
like Elon Right, who are trying to grab control of
the movement and moved in that direction. Because Trump is
such a huge personality, and because he's so famous and
he's so kind of gigantic, he's able to contain multitudes
within him and then and then sort of build a
coalition underneath him. I don't see anybody on the horizon
(12:01):
who's like that, and so I think that we're going
to have to go through a bit of a fight
here to determine what ideas lead the coalition. Yeah, I
think that everybody's sort of tapping JD. Vans on the
shoulder as the heir apparent, And maybe that's true. I mean,
just statistically speaking, the vice president is very frequently the
next nominee of the party. But the idea of the
JD can somehow just pick up the Trump coalition and
then carry it across the finish line. That is almost
(12:23):
never true in politics. It was not true for Hillar
to Clinton about Barack Obama. It was really not true
about George H. W. Bush about Ronald Reagan. Every politician
has to have their own coalition, and there are some
uneasy scenes inside, for example, the j. Devans coalition between
sort of the theod Libertarians and the Tucker isolationists and
kind of big governments Appalachia types. So it's going to
(12:45):
be hard, i think, for the Republican Party to replace
somebody like Trump in the same way it's been impossible
for the Democrats to replace somebody like Barack Obama, which means,
as you say, we're going to need to go back
to some first principles and decide what are our actual ideas.
It can't just be we don't like the Democrat. It's
got to be like what are we actually about here?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Which brings us to your book, Lines and Scavengers. I think,
I mean, it's almost self explanatory, you know. I mean,
you do have those two types of thought that kind
of built this republic, and you're seeing that fight play
out now regardless of party. Tell me a little bit
about this, because you know, I have not admittedly I've
not read the book yet, but I love the I
(13:22):
like the title, I love the concept of it, and
I think that it it. You're looking to explain this
in a way that even mainstream media people can process it,
because I think that you know, the Brian Saltzers of
the world, they don't understand. They don't understand any of this.
They don't understand this concept. Why now, why this book?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean again, I think that the reason that this
originally arose is right after October seventh, at month and
a half, I was debating at University of Oxford, one
of the great historic institutions of the West, obviously, and
the security team that I travel with they told me
you're not allowed to stay in London.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's too dangerous.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
There's a gigantic, procramous protests there, and so we stayed
about an hour outside of London. And then when we
went to Universe City of Oxford, who's also extremely fraud
I mean, it's a very close packed room.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There are a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
There who really really don't just dislike Jews, they actually
really dislike Western civilization. We're chanting about how terrible America
is and all the rest. And I walked out thinking
to myself, there is something deeply wrong when the heart
of Western civilization has basically been overrun by people who
hate the civilization. And when you see people marching on
college campuses carrying a variety of banners, right, it can
be anything from LGBTQ plus causes to immigration to global warming,
(14:29):
the sort of omni cause. They march under different banners,
but it's all the same group of people. Those people
have nothing in common. Like what is queers for Palestine
are Like that doesn't make any sense. I mean in
Palestine they throw queers off buildings, right, I mean that's
what they do. And so what is that about? And
the answer is all these people envy and hate the West,
and so they see the institutions of the West is
threatening to them personally, and they are able to cobble
(14:50):
together a coalition and people who actually really dislike each
other in order to tear that down. And so what
I'm juxtaposing here is the lions people who actually are
focused on things like building community, innovating, risk taking, going
and building a business, going and building up your church,
defending your civilization as a member of the military or
the police, from the people who are largely motivated by
envy and a belief that everything is owed to them
(15:11):
and they have to provide nothing in return, and that
therefore any shortcoming in their life is society's fault and
you got to rip everything down. And Zornmmdannie is obviously
a kind of perfect alpha example of this. Somebody who's
been given literally everything by the United States, came here
as a child immigrant, grew up in a very wealthy family,
privilege in every way it is possible to be privileged,
has never held a real job in his life, has
(15:33):
less of a successful rap career than I do. For
God's sake, somehow is ending up as the mayor of
New York based solely on this idea that he has
grievances that things are unaffordable and therefore capitalism is bad
and he's going to tax the hell out of everybody
and release all the prisoners. And he's going to have
the New York State boycott Israel like all this kind
of crap. And so the question is, are we civilization
(15:54):
that wants to stand for our fundamental principles or we
want to engage in this sort of envious grievance culture.
And one of the things I do in the books,
I do not juxtapose right and left. I don't think
that every lion is on the right, and I don't
think every scavenger is on the left. As we've been
talking about, I think that there are people who I
disagree with about tax rates who are very much creative,
entrepreneurial forces in the world seeking to build things. And
(16:14):
there are people with whom I agree about tax rates
who are very much in the envious mold and seeking
to rip down key pillars of the institutions of the
United States in search of some sort of past that
never existed.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That's very interesting, kind of like the Elon Musks and
the Jeff Bezos of the world. Sometimes you can be
chaos neutral. Yeah, absolute factly this book. I love the
back by the way, I love the back quote that
you take from the introduction seen very seeing the Scavengers
will master the world, unless that's a big word, unless
the book is Lions and Scavengers The True Story of
(16:47):
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my friend. Wish you all the best, and we'll talk
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Speaker 2 (17:59):
Now all of the use you would probably miss. It's
time for Dana's quick five.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
A Republican bill, and Ohio is allowing you is going
to aims anyway to allow utility companies to limit customers
energy usage. It's it's representative Roy Klopfeindstein from Havelin. He
said that the measure hasn't been assigned a committee they're
talking about. He's a I think he's Ohio a lawmaker.
(18:26):
But what why are we having energy problems? Why would
we have to limit I'm gonna tell you, I'm not
gonna have my energy. I would not have I will.
I will literally ryot. I'm not threatening that like like idly.
I actually will riot Kane, I will stomp on some shrubs. No,
(18:46):
I actually am I would take to the streets over this.
That's that's a major issue. Let people get what they
pay for lumber. Prices are flashing a warning sign for
US economy that's coming out of the Wall Street Journal.
They said, wood prices are sliding, mills are cutting back
because of uncertainty over tariffs and a building slump. Well, yeah,
we've gotta have more deals cut and yes, you are
(19:07):
going to have prices increase in certain things because it's
literally how terriffs work. It's supposed to be leverage. I
get it, it's a tactic. But I will also warn
that the White House has got to get all these
deals buttoned up in order to reverse this and to
stop that. So that's we all knew they're going into it.
The twenty twenty five American dream, this is depressing will
cost you five million dollars. What besides this? This is
(19:32):
it's a it's an interesting piece in Newsweek, although they
bury the lead like a million paragraphs down, which I
can't stand. No one. It's like how you go to
a recipe find out like a recipe online. I really,
I don't care about your life. I don't care about
your kids, I don't care about your house. I don't
care about anything. Just give me your stupid food recipe
or shut up. Give me the recipeer. Get out. There's
actually a website that you can put the recipe link
(19:52):
into and it does all that. It strips it all out.
Did you know that? I swear to you it is.
It's real. I can't remember it right now. I have
it saved, but it's true. Anyway, there's saying that were
the American dream, especially when you look at retirement, et cetera. Yeah,
it's like five million dollars. Long story, short saved you
a click. Let's see. Scott Bessen apparently got into a
fight per Politico with an administration rifle and threatened to
(20:13):
punch him in the blanking face, which makes me like
Scott Bessen even more. We I mean, if you're displeased,
say it. I like the fact that he's very forthright
about it. He threatened to punch top housing finance official
Bill Puilt in the blanking face. Yeah, that sounds about
(20:33):
do you when you look at Scott Bessen seem like that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's like a timid guy that knows a lot about finance.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, he seems can be real. I don't mean to
be disapped. He seems like a dork kind of Yeah,
so it's like weird when a doork is like I'm
gonna punch you in your blanket face, I'm like, you're
a spicy dork. What all right? So we uh, let's see.
Israeli start up red Sea Biotech wants to replace donors
with lab grown blood from stem cells. I don't like that.
(21:06):
I don't like and look again, Hi, I don't even
have a roomba, don't even have that. Why does it
need to be lab grown? The only thing that's okay
for lab grown is diamonds. Oh, it is to stop
acting like somehow because kids mind it with their hands
that it's more romantic. Shut up. I can't even stand
these people that are like, no, I'm not gonna haven
(21:26):
stop it. It's a rock. I mean for crying out loud.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Uh.
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your hostess. I've come back from the North. We are
here at the start of this third hour of radio. Welcome.
I have no idea whim talking like that. It seemed
fun to do at the time. Welcome Dana lash with you.
(22:56):
Don't forget we got the chat at Rumble and you
can live street. You can watch it do the radio show.
We don't have teleprompters, so I have a screen that
I look down at too for the drive BIS. I
always wanted to just blow that up that you can
watch us to radio channel through forty seven Direct TV
watch us there. So I was in Norway with MRC
for like a week and a half and I had
(23:16):
brown cheese. It's like the way of cheese with goats
milk the process and then like you boil it down
and caramelize it and it gets and then you slice
into cheese and you put it on a waffle with
some marmalade. And I had it with a pint for
second breakfast and it was delicious. And a town called Schuldern.
I did kind of learn how to pronounce some of
the town's names. You'll be very pleased. I did go
(23:38):
on a cruise. Would you guys know my thing about cruises?
Do I like the cruise boats? I don't know. But
I did have to take prescription anti nausea. Big tip
by the way, big thanks to have All Family Pharmacy,
who doesn't even have a live plan for today, but
All Family pharmacy forget me the I'm drugs because it's
the only way I was. Your girl was staying on
that boat because at the North Sea are angry man
(24:01):
and they don't like you, and they it's like the
sea was trying to throw us off for a while.
It was like a bucking bronco And so I was.
I had all the you know, it's taken all the
anti nausea meds and it worked. And people were like, oh,
you need to try some ginger for oad. I love you,
but that's not gonna work. Blaenln A little lemon and
ginger ain't working for me. Okay, I need an RX strength.
(24:25):
So thanks to all Family Pharmacy for making that happen.
So yeah, we did the boat thing. I didn't even know,
and we got meat and potatoes to get into and
we're going to talk to my friend Ben Shapiro used
to work with him, or Bright Bart back in the day.
He's gonna be on at the bottom of the hour.
But I did not know that it was a whole culture.
Did you know that Kane cruise ships are like a
(24:46):
whole culture. I did not know that me. I didn't know.
I didn't know that and there there were a lot
of spaces on the boat and there were like big
I walked around like I can't believe all this is
on a boat. That expression on my face the whole time. Uh,
but yeah, it was interesting. And then we got to
go and see a lot of very cool We got
to this little bitty tiny village in Norway shoulderen it's
(25:09):
at the end of the Sonyan Fjord. Yeah, I think
that's it. And okay, I have a story. So trolls
are everywhere, right, So we go to this tiny, tiny,
little village and you get off and walk a mile
and that's great. You know, you're out nature. It's beauty.
It's so beautiful. You think it's fake, right, You're you're
like this is some Lord of the Rings, Like there's
(25:30):
gonna be some orcs that pop out here at any moment.
You know. I feel like, you know, we're we're in Rivendell.
It felt like we were in Rivendell. So anyway, we
uh go and we're in Schulden and they were amazing
and I we go into I guess they're like tourist
information place and we were learning about the Stave churches
(25:51):
and all this stuff. And there were trolls, troll dolls
and troll figurines. And you know how some people people
put sor at geese in front of their houses. Okay,
it's trolls there instead of the geese, it's trolls. And
my husband, just like offhanded, asked this one what very
(26:11):
tall woman. She clearly she was Norwegian. She was like
five thousand feet tall. And they were all like, they
don't age. I think they're vampires. And this other woman,
I swear she had to be ninety. She had like
long white hair that was in a braid. I mean
like they all look like shield maidens that were there anyway,
And he's like, well, can you tell us about the trolls,
(26:32):
Like is it like, you know, kind of a funny thing.
Is it a masscut? And she goes, well, you know,
if you look up into the mountain, I can't do
the accent. If you look up into the mountain and
you might see, she said, like a glint of light.
It could be a troll. We had no idea if
she was being serious or not, but she scared the
hell out of us. We had no eye I felt like,
(26:53):
you know how Kane says that he old people scare him.
So it was like, I couldn't tell if it was
like it was, I didn't know what to do. She
was like not. She was so serious and she was
telling us this, and we're like, oh my gosh, they're
rolling them out, like what is happening. You would have
been terrified, Kane. All their old people were bigger than you,
(27:16):
and you're a tall dude the average size, and all
the old people are bigger than you. They don't shrink,
they just get taller. I don't know he'll be honest
with them. Yeah, you would have. You would have been like, I,
I gotta go back to the book, just terrified. I'd
tell them I just don't assume they're innocent.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I'm just saying we made, uh, made friends with some animals,
and you know, I mean, there's just beautiful, absolutely beautiful
up there. They are actually thinking. So. David Bisel Media
Research Center was telling me that Norway is considering banning
ships that use like diesel or fossil fuels. They haven't
(27:54):
fully banned diesel ships, but they've mandated zero emission operation
for small in for larger ships by twenty thirty two.
In their Fjords to reduce pollution, and they said that
you have to use zero emission. The whole time we
were up there, it was super rainy and cloudy except
(28:15):
for like a day. So I don't know how the
how the how that would work with the solar power.
But are they going to do that with their airplanes too?
I'm curious. Is it just the boats or I don't
I don't know how some of those towns live, those
towns villages. I don't know how. I don't know how
(28:37):
some of those villages unless it's the tourism coming in
from And I am not a cruise person. So it's
the first ever large boat I've ever been on, and
I'm still not used to it. Uh, But I don't
know what because of some of the ways you could
only get there easily. To access some of these villages
are literally by boat. So are they going to do
(28:58):
this with their planes too? Are they going to have
like zero zero emission planes. Would you want to be
on like a hydro powered or solar powered plane? We redacted? No, No,
thank you, kall y. I don't want to be on
anything like that. No, No, are always angry over that.
Oh the sea was giving us a giant middle finger.
(29:19):
At one point I watched it. I looked out the
window and like the water came up and it It
was pretty man, I'm telling you, it was pretty pretty wild.
So I don't know what that They're all obsessed with
zero emission. There's a lot of modernity. I hate modernity.
I've seen a couple of news articles occur or published
in the past week that talk about our return to
(29:41):
like maximalism, which just I mean it. I don't like
the modernity because I think it's insufferably bougie and pretentious.
And I also think modern architecture looks like garbage and
everything ends up looking like Borderlands in ten years. It
all looks like trash. There's one thing where when we
were in am Ssterdam, the modern architecture was killing my soul,
(30:02):
was killing my soul. Cane part of it was rotting
and withering away because it was exposed to modern architecture.
And I'm like a vampire to sunlight. With some of
that stuff, I just I can't I can't handle it. So,
m yeah, I that was the only Those are my
only criticisms. If I had to say anyway, the but
(30:23):
it was it was a very It was a fascinating,
fascinating experience, very fascinating experience. And we were there with
Kevin Sorbo, who's also really tall, but it was only
rendered average over there. It was pretty interesting to see
Hercules humbled because he's like a thousand feet tall. Also,
he's just a large, large man. He's very tall, and
all like him, and all of his kids are tall,
(30:45):
et cetera. So here's something interesting. One of their kids,
they were at a buffet in Amsterdam and they were
going to get eggs, and somebody complained at the buffet
that they didn't want non halal offerings on the buffet,
so they had to shut it down and make it vegetarian.
(31:06):
I would literally chop someone's head off for that, Like, oh,
you think your ideology is bad? If I don't get
protein in the morning, I get head chopping hungry. That's
what happens. Like I will immediately, you know, hassan, chop
your head off because I didn't get my protein. That's
exactly what would happen. I would, I mean, and I
(31:27):
am not even joking. I actually would be very forthright
like that. Who gets to dictate that stuff? And it
can we just be real. The only reason that a
lot of the Islamism stuff that anybody even pays attention
to their threats is because other Islamists have chopped people's
heads off. I mean, how many heads got a roll
before people start? I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying,
(31:50):
what would you do if you were at a buffet
and someone's like, oh no, sir, there was a complaint,
this is not holng.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
If I was also head choppinghungry like you.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, oh man, I get, I get, yeah, I'll do
some head chopping. My husband basically just has to throw
bacon at me and run away just to save himself.
When I get hay angry in the morning, then I
calm down. It's like, you know how if you feed
Gizmo after midnight, he turns into a gremlin. Okay, so
the opposite is true with me. In the morning, I
(32:17):
wake up a gremlin, and then after I get protein,
I turned into Gizmo. So it's anyway I would I
would not have tolerated that. I don't think. I don't
think that would have worked well. But yeah, it was
a very interesting experience. It was very It was a
very goth trip because the weather was pretty god.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You have to bring any exotic food home, Livi or I.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tried to know you. I wanted to bring whale meat,
but you can't. What you can it's the meat of
a whale, right, it had blubber on it, right, you
can reduce that downliced. You know.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So you weren't able to bring it?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
No, no, because they don't allow it. There's certain things,
and I get it, you know, agriculture, I mean we
don't really. You can bring reindier meat apparently, but you
can't bring whale meat. I don't know why is it.
I mean, I'm not gonna go up there and tell
the Nords what to do, but you know, I don't
know it is. I guess it's I don't know if
the the it was whale meat, That's all I know.
And they had it at a troll shops. Yeah, but
(33:19):
I did have the brown cheese. I was trying to
look for some weird fish, but it was very difficult
to find some authentic Nord because I liked I don't
do excursions and I don't like tours. I like to
I'm really nuts about this stuff, and so I will
research the area, and we were going into all these
very interesting places. But I felt like a lot of
people thought, oh, we're the only US Nordic people like
the weird fish, so we want to make sure that,
(33:41):
you know, Americans or Europeans can come in and eat stuff.
So I feel like there was it was really hard
to find even some kind of odd fish to say
nothing of like the weird fish meals. I wanted something
that they had to go into a pit in the
backyard and dig up and then you know, shake the
dirt out of it before they slept it on a plate.
I mean, I've seen I've see some of these cooking shows.
I know how it happens. Just saying like, what is
(34:04):
it lutfisk and then someone said simmers murmur marine. I
don't know, there's a fish that has like three m's
in it. I don't know. It's like a dish and
some geese. I don't know. This is very there, seems
very very fun, fascinating trip. Thanks for tuning in to
today's edition of Dana Lash's Absurd Truth Podcast.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
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