November 24, 2025 • 28 mins
Tucker Carlson goes on another podcast, calling Nick Fuentes “smart” as well as calling Former Heritage President, Kevin Roberts, “weak” who “wanted his job more than to tell the truth”.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dana Lashes of surd Truth podcast sponsored by Keltech.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's his life mission to make bad decisions.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It's time for Florida Man, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So this was in Hillsborough County, Florida. A Florida man
was arrested. He stole a truck and plant City, then
he attempted to conceal the truck's identity by altering its appearance.
Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office says that they found the suspect
operating a stolen Ford F one fifteen Plant City and
(00:36):
he tried to remove He swapped the tags, removed the
toolbox and ladder rack from the truck, and I guess
like try to get some of the decals off it.
And they have him on aerial video doing it, which
is so funny. And then he's on video right, so
they're in the air and they're watching him. He takes
a backpack that has meth and it tons of meth
(00:56):
stuffed in it and he throws it into the nearby bushes,
thinking no one can see him, but they're they're looking
at everything.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
From the air. They're watching him literally from the air
do it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And then they show deputies surrounding him guns drawn and
they are able to take him into custody. I can't
even list you all the charges, but there's lots. I mean, burglary,
grand theft, you know, and methamphetamine trafficking, drug trafficking, all
of that stuff. He got hit with a number of things.
I know, I know, it's like he was. You know,
(01:29):
they see you doing that on that when you.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Just look up.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
My gosh, let's see here.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So this well, we're running out of time. But tomorrow
what I will do since I won't go so long.
Tomorrow's segment before Florida man, we'll get into the guy
who said he had a bomb in his bag and
he ended up going to court.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You can't threaten people with a bomb in your bag,
and this Florida man found.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Out the hard way that you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That the last month, I don't think a single person
has ever made the case that I'm wrong, that Nick
Fuentes is and the jew hatred stuff is wrong, period.
And I said that the white hatred, black hatred, Jew hatred,
Malaysian hatred, Bedowin hatred, it's all wrong. I believe that
as much as I believe anything, okay, but the rest
(02:22):
of it his analysis, which is actually smart?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
What analysis is smart?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't understand that this is part of the back
and forth that we've seen on the right over this.
I have not seen smart analysis from somebody like Fuin does.
And I don't even think that that's a smart analysis
of wind does is hot takes. I mean, to call
yourself an American first Christian conservative while you talk about
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how much you hate Christians and you idolize people who
murdered them, like Stalin, and you're entirely focused on race
and making idols of all of these things. That's not
smart analysis. It's not smart policy. I mean, there's just
I'm not going to play all the audio. We have
a tranche of it. There's a ton of audio out
(03:17):
there of just him saying and crazy stuff to get attention.
And this was the big This was the big criticism
I think a lot of people had of Tucker in
that nobody stop trying to move the goalpost to save
your ass. First off, no one's sitting here talking about
whether or not someone should be platformed. The fact that
it was a softball interview, and it was, and I
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had even messaged him about this, and obviously he disagreed
with me on it, but that's fine. People can disagree.
But it wasn't an issue of you platform someone. It
was an issue of how do you not push back
on these ideals and then just to come back, well,
the jew hatred is wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That's part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, But I mean even then in the interview, it
just seemed like more that you that there. It was
just a hand smacking of a friend as opposed to
a full throated rejection of bad, already defeated ideas.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
This is the issue with this.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Why does anyone feel like they have to entertain this twink?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
This nazi twink? Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's because people are terrified at losing digital relevancy.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's why they do it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's why you have these people that won't one way
or the other, They won't take a stand and make
these and let you know where they are at without question,
because they're terrified at losing a slice of that digital pie.
They want that audience, and they think that the best
way to get that audience is to ingratiate themselves with
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those people, and then they think that they'll be able
to bring them on. No, that's not going to happen.
It's never happened. And half of these people are bots anyway.
It's just weird. It's very weird. I don't know why
we decided to be so duplicitous in discussing this thing
and discussing this issue, And it seems like the stupidest
(05:10):
time ever to get into racial politics and make idols
of race on the right when we have created such
a big tent coalition. You don't need a Nazi twink
army in order to win elections. In fact, you've never
needed it. They don't have an impact in the elections.
But the idea that you have to debase yourself to
(05:34):
ingratiate yourself to that audience in order to be relevant,
that pretty much is the epitaph alone.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Is it not? Seems like it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
This is what really struck me though, because we you know,
we had on. I had on Kevin Roberts. I had
interviewed him with heritage, and he was very careful to
defend his friend, and he did not want to He
did not want to condemn his friend. He was very careful.
It was not returned. Audio sound Bite twenty three. This
(06:08):
actually shocked me.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
This is all very recent. This shocked me.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Listen, There's a man called Kevin Roberts, who I knew
and really liked, took over the hair Just Foundation a
couple of years ago, and I thought, and that's the
biggest foundation in Washington, and I thought that he could
steer it into a positive direction. I think he certainly
wanted to. He tried, and in the end, ten days ago,
he got he was completely destroyed by this, by this
(06:32):
fighting within the within the Republican Party and the conservative movement,
very very sad and you know, I think the hairt
Just Fundation will and I say this again with sadness,
because they're smart people there, they have a ton of money.
They should be a force for good. But I don't
see how they ever will be. Not after that, not
after that absolutely cannibalized him, yep. And he allowed it.
(06:53):
He was he was weak. He decided he wanted his
job more than to tell the truth. And that's a
you know, that's a a moment that I think every
man faces inevitably in life. And I understand the fears.
I mean, I've certainly been there a lot, and you know,
not wanting to lose your job I get it. I'm
not judging, but you have to choose the truth.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That's really unfortunate. Tucker will not come on with me.
He will not, and we've known.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Each other for years.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
He's made it very clear, probably because we would have
to have uncomfortable conversations like this.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Loyalty is not a real thing in DC.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Everything is transactional, and I feel like Kevin Roberts was
trying to be loyal to his friend and to the
point where he really got himself in a situation in
which he could not.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
X.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
He could not he couldn't get out of it. I mean,
it was really uncomfortable to watch. He was very careful
in what he said about Carlson. He was very careful
when he was on this program talking with me, and
he did not want to criticize his friend. He didn't
(08:08):
get anywhere close to criticizing Tucker Carlson the same way
that Carlson was criticizing Roberts here that he.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Was he was weak.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I knew and really liked him talking about him in
the past tense. So Kevin Roberts committed sepuku for nothing,
for nothing, all of that for what only to be
thrown under the bus a couple of weeks later by
the guy he was protecting all because he wanted to
have an interview where he didn't ask hard questions. He
(08:39):
didn't I guess he didn't want to get flamed out
on x. He didn't want the bots to come after
him on social media. It was a softball interview, Just
be honest about it. It was a softball interview with
softball questions and there was barely any pushback. There was
at one point in our exchange it was like, well,
you know, you didn't see the part about you know
where I pushed back on blood Bible.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
That was a pushback.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Wow, goodness, I'd hate to see what accommodation looks like
if that was a pushback. I mean, good, heavens, But
to not challenge and like, you love Stalin? Why do
you like Stalin? What about Stalin impresses you so much?
What about Hitler impresses you so much? What about his
policies that you love impress.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You so much? There was nothing of that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It was just it was like a struggle session about
the people that they didn't like on the right.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It was weird.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But this is also what happens when you are. When
you don't stay consistent, when you're inconsistent on your views,
sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to be consistent. Consistency
is a very very difficult thing. Consistency and trends don't
go well together. And it's unfortunate that the Heritage Foundation
(09:55):
now has this black eye and that Roberts has gone
through all of this for what to be thrown under
the bus? Good night with friends like that. Who needs
the left to throw you under the bus? I mean,
good heavens.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It is.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Shocking to see, but not surprising though at the same time,
I mean, I look at other instances, you know, this
isn't the first time something like this has happened. I
mean there have been other instances before. I mean Tucker's
when he was at Fox. There was the story and
this was with the Dominion stuff and all of that,
where he apparently was very very critical of Potus, really
(10:35):
critical of Potus, and was in was messaging people behind
the scenes, highly critical and then does a onet eighty publicly.
So the stuff that's being said privately is very different
from the public stances. Was very critical of him behind
(10:58):
the scenes, but then was going on his and celebrating
every you know, really playing up all of these policies,
but essentially li likening him to a Nazi and calling
him a fascist and all of this other stuff. Privately,
I mean the language was very you know, I mean,
you could read it for yourself. It's olliver X. It's
all over social media, it's public, it's been out there.
(11:18):
It's just the duplicity of it all.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's it's being.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
One thing privately and another thing publicly. I don't like
that inconsistency either. And there's a lot of people in Washington,
DC that are like that. I mean, at least you
got to give it to candas Owen. She keeps all
the crazy public. I mean, she's not changed since she
was an Al Sharpton protege. She's not changed since she
created a doxing website and was going after conservatives around
(11:42):
twenty sixteen. She's still the same progressive. She's still that
same person. And now I think what she says that
that some governments took a hit out on her now
because I can't even follow all of it, it's too
crazy for me to even follow. At least she keeps
the crazy out there, right at least she's the same
(12:03):
crazy person publicly that she is privately. You can at
least count on that. So I just don't like these
little snakes in the grass that are one thing privately
and one thing publicly, and there is no honor and
there is no real loyalty. It's all about advantage. It's
all about what best aids clicks. And I'm going to
tell you something. These a lot of these people that
(12:24):
have not played in the digital space before until recently,
you know this is there. Everybody's very nervous because cable
news is collapsing. More and more people are turning away
from cable news. It doesn't have being a contributor somewhere.
It doesn't have the same punch that it used to,
It doesn't have the same prestige as it used to.
(12:44):
You don't even really need to do any of that
because the check doesn't isn't worthwhile.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You don't really need to do any of it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
A lot of people are, they're they're building their their
audiences digitally. But the problem is is the ones who
are so terrified at LOUP using any of their audience
that they try to accommodate everybody. It's like a pastor
trying to fill pews, and they water down the sermons
and they water down scriptures so they can accommodate everybody. Well,
(13:10):
at some point then it becomes lukewarm and nobody wants
to go because there's no value in it. And a
lot of these influencers need to be very careful of this,
especially on stuff like this. Right, there's no way that
you're going to be able to ingratiate yourself with an
audience that follows a Nazi twink. There's no way you're
going to be able to ingratiate yourself with that. There's
(13:32):
nothing to glean, there's no smart policy analysis. It's all
miles wide inches deep rhetoric that's designed to sound intelligent
but is really vapid and anemic. And I don't, but
there are people who want to. They don't want to
lose that axis, they don't want to get flamed on
social media, and so they try to accommodate all of it.
(13:55):
I've seen it over and over again, and sure there's
a short term pay off. Absolutely there's a short term payoff,
but you know, realistically, what does that do to you
over time?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It just hurts your credibility.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I see people now that are friends of mine, people
that I've met, that I've hung out with, that I've
dined with privately, that I whose families I know. And
I'm just watching all these people play this game, and
I'm so glad that I just don't do it. But
I'm watching these people play this game thinking this is
not sustainable long term because you keep landing on these minds.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
This is not sustainable long term.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And the stuff with TPUSA and I don't even I
don't even want to entertain the candae own stuff because
it just it kills brain cells without the benefit of
having alcohol to go along with it. It is some
of the most mind numbingly idiotic stuff I've ever read
in my life. There is no great commission to go
and take out somebody who was an al Sharpton protege
and grifted their way into the space that they're in now.
(14:54):
There is no grand design to do that. People, Good Heavens,
there's there's we're all talking about this stuff. We're everybody's
obsessing that. It's one of the things that we've absolutely
have been able to prove now that the country of
location is turned on with all of these X accounts,
is that so many of these are foreign actors that
(15:15):
are all designed to drive division on the right.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Especially with all this Israel stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So many of them and everybody is being distracted by
the psyop to not only divide the right but weaken
alliances in the Middle East while also accommodating the spread
of Islamism in the United States. Notice how none of
these accounts are under these people are critical of Islam.
In fact, I've seen it to the contrary. I have
watched people at the Daily Wire remark about how, oh, well,
(15:44):
you know, the hit job is actually a very modest
piece of clothing.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm not kidding you. This is the stuff that I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You have people that are literally actually putting themselves adjacent
to Islamism in order to prove that they're so anti Israel.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It is wild to see.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We've got there's a lot more to talk about this,
but to discuss about it, but it is.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I feel like we're the only sober people at the
party and everybody else's haze kite.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's what it feels like watching this.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It feels like you're the babies that are at the party,
and everybody else is literally like a drink away from
passing out, blacking out entirely. It is the craziest thing
I've ever seen happen on the right in my entire career.
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
And now all of the news you would probably miss.
It's time for Dana's quickfive.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So emails reveal Apparently this is from Hollywood Reporter. There
was that pro Epstein documentary that was in the works
and it was going to be Apparently everything was going
to kick off on the day of his arrest. Apparently
Steve Bannon was one of those individuals. They were making
a redemptive documentary to counter the damaging narratives from Netflix's
(18:05):
Jeffrey Epstein's Filthy Rich, and they were going to apparently
unleash a I guess image rehabilitating documentary to show.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Him in a new light.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So that explains some of the moves with some of
the former insiders from the twenty sixteen Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Interesting Gretathunburg.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Gottathunburg was banned from Venice after she dumped green dye
into the canals. I don't know what this chick's damage is.
She was banned because she was dumping green dye in
the canal. She was being accused of being more interested
in self promotion than in the environment. She's a twenty
(18:53):
something year old climate campaigner. Now forty eight hour restriction
she had was banned after multiple test over the weekend,
and apparently they had thirty five other activists that were
also fined in band. I don't know what the purpose
of what the point of dying at Green was, but
that was just one of that was.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I don't even understand what the point of it is.
It seems like it's that was with the water. Seems
like it's pretty damaging to the environment that they're claiming
that they are out there to save.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Treasury Secretary says there's not going to be a recession
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
There are a lot of people who are wondering whether
or not we're in one now. Scott Besson said he
was optimistic about the economy as a whole, but acknowledged
that there were some sensitive there's some interest rate sensitive
sectors that have experienced recession. But when he was asked
on meet the press over the weekend whether or not
we are at risk of entering such a recession. He
(19:47):
said no, that he's confident that people will they will
feel economic relief next year coming from.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Trade deals, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Also, the let's see the data this is that's that's
not a headline. More Americans are getting their power shut
off as unpaid bills are piling up. Apparently, this is
they buried the lead like six graphs in because the
alpha Btaria whatever lady who writes at MSNBC needs to
(20:17):
be fired because you can't write a story. So if
you go six graphs into the piece, you finally see
that in electricity prices have been triggering a number of
shut ups across the country and so there are apparently
a lot of unpaid bills because people are broke. And
they said that prices have gone up so rapidly and
as a result, it is unaffordable. Electricity is unaffordable in
(20:41):
many areas of the nation. Interesting, and apparently two hundred
chickens were killed in Fort Pierce in a semi truck crash.
This is from KIRO Channel seven. They said that no
humans were harmed. This is the same can't be said
for the birds. This is like one of the first
headlines involving foul that don't involve fear mongering headlines about
(21:05):
bird flu and things of that nature. Also, we've got
this is interesting. This just came in from the Department
of War. They said that they received serious allegations of
misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly. This they just tweeted this
like ten minutes before we went to air. Very interesting.
Now I'm wondering if this has to do They just
(21:25):
said misconduct has to do with the Uniform Code of
Military Justice.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We'll come back to this. We got a lot more
to touch on. Stick with us.
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Speaker 3 (22:37):
Docking announcement from Congresswoman Green.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
What went through your mind when you first heard she
was going to resign on January fifth?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You know what, Honestly, I was like, You've got to
be kidding me. You're on the other side of the
president for one week and you can't take the heat.
Imagine what it is to sit in my shoes, to
not only be on the opposite side of him, but
to have people like her who are constantly fanning the
flames of hate. And imagine what those threats look like
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when you literally are someone like me. But at the
end of the day, I know that I serve the
people of Texas thirty and so my job isn't to
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the president not be on my back, but instead it's
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push forward with policies that are positive for Texas thirty.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Everything is always about her.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Everything is always about Jasmine Crockett. She will never fail.
She makes everything she's asked about Marjorie Taylor Green resigning,
and Jasmine Crocket's like, but me, like, imagine me. We
don't want to That's okay. Not everything is about you, really,
Jasmine Crockett doesn't move the needle very much. She just
(23:49):
provides really dippy sound bites and is used as a
great example of how to just be a really clueless leftist.
Welcome back to the programmed Dana Lash with you. Bottom
of this first hour.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
The it is really odd that whole.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
The whole thing where she's it's about me. I mean,
imagine me being across from the president like she's the
only one who's ever disagreed with him. The Marjorie Taylor
Green thing is weird because it seems like it seems
a lot of like a lot of drama. I mean,
there were some people wondering if she was expecting Trump
to chase her, and that's why she announced that she
(24:33):
was going to be leaving after the first of the year.
And he's not going to chase So the bottom line
is that they ran internal pulling on her and she's
not going to farewell in a race against Ausa going
into the Senate. And the word is that Trump looked
at the was shown the numbers and he was like,
(24:53):
this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Why don't you just stay in the house.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
She didn't want to do that, And that seems to
be feeling some of this first and foremost, and then
some of the other policy decisions that Trump has made
that seems to be kind of secondary. But I don't know,
it's just it's it seems like kind of a stunt
to me, honestly, it just seems like a stunt.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And I just can't take.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Seriously people who decide it's too hard to continue serving
the people that they swore that they would represent in DC.
You know that going in it's not like people run
for office. And then it's surprised we didn't realize how
tough this was. You know, people running for office, they
don't they're not ambushed with the reality that there might
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be some palace intrigues, so to speak, and it might
be difficult, and they may have to battle, do battle
and debate, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So none of this was new. None of this was unusual.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And when you choose of your own free will to
represent people and you need to serve out the remainder
of your no matter how uncomfortable it may get for you,
and it just seems weak and a stunt, and I
just I don't really think highly of it because it
leaves Republicans with one less seat. And then it doesn't
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look well when you realize how much money that she
has made. Apart from her family's construction business, she's made
a lot of cash trading. And when you're that close
and you see certain things are going down and you
make trades based on the information that you're looking at, that's,
you know, regardless of whether or not you're disclosing it.
The problem is that you're there in a capacity to
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represent people, and you're using your close proximity to the
movements of a lot of these companies that affect policy,
as you know, background for you to call and make
these trades and to enrich yourself. I mean, when you
leave with over twenty million dollars after walking in with
only a little over seven hundred thousand. That's pretty insane
to me. And then when you're leaving two days after
(26:58):
your congressional pension vests, ensuring that you get a payout
for the rest of your life, that's also pretty insane
to me. And that's exactly she's announced that she was
resigning on She's leaving on the fifth, and her congressional
pension vests on the third. So it makes I mean,
it's completely understandable and legitimate to ask these questions to
(27:19):
ask why are you doing this now? Is it just
because you major millions and you got your congressional pension
and now it's it is that all the American people
are good for to make sure that you're able to
make some money trading and that you get a congressional pension,
because that just seems pretty hokey and a lot of
people feel used. If I was the voters, i'd be
pretty angry because it's not like you can just throw
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together an election immediately either. You have to have special elections.
This takes time. You have to go through the Secretary
of State, You've got to get it on the ballot.
First off, you've got to get ballot language approved. Then
you've got to get it on the ballot, and there's
like a whole process to doing this. It's not like
they can just come back next week and hold a
special election. You know it's going to it's a process,
and it's taxpayer funded, So taxpayers are going to be
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paid for yet another election. They're going to be paid
twice for the same seat. I'm just curious as to
how people feel about that, because it seems weak to
bow out at this point, and to call yourself a
fighter just doesn't seem right. And to leave an already
strap majority with a barely with even a smaller advantage,
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it's just incredibly weak on multiple fronts.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's his life mission to make bad decisions.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It's time for Florida Man, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So this was in Hillsborough County, Florida. A Florida man
was arrested. He stole a truck and plant City, then
he attempted to conceal the truck's identity by altering its appearance.
Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office says that they found the suspect
operating a stolen Ford F one fifteen Plant City and
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he tried to remove He swapped the tags, removed the
toolbox and ladder rack from the truck, and I guess
like try to get some of the decals off it.
And they have him on aerial video doing it, which
is so funny. And then he's on video right, so
they're in the air and they're watching him. He takes
a backpack that has meth and it tons of meth
(00:56):
stuffed in it and he throws it into the nearby bushes,
thinking no one can see him, but they're they're looking
at everything.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
From the air. They're watching him literally from the air
do it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And then they show deputies surrounding him guns drawn and
they are able to take him into custody. I can't
even list you all the charges, but there's lots. I mean, burglary,
grand theft, you know, and methamphetamine trafficking, drug trafficking, all
of that stuff. He got hit with a number of things.
I know, I know, it's like he was. You know,
(01:29):
they see you doing that on that when you.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Just look up.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
My gosh, let's see here.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So this well, we're running out of time. But tomorrow
what I will do since I won't go so long.
Tomorrow's segment before Florida man, we'll get into the guy
who said he had a bomb in his bag and
he ended up going to court.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You can't threaten people with a bomb in your bag,
and this Florida man found.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Out the hard way that you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That the last month, I don't think a single person
has ever made the case that I'm wrong, that Nick
Fuentes is and the jew hatred stuff is wrong, period.
And I said that the white hatred, black hatred, Jew hatred,
Malaysian hatred, Bedowin hatred, it's all wrong. I believe that
as much as I believe anything, okay, but the rest
(02:22):
of it his analysis, which is actually smart?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
What analysis is smart?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't understand that this is part of the back
and forth that we've seen on the right over this.
I have not seen smart analysis from somebody like Fuin does.
And I don't even think that that's a smart analysis
of wind does is hot takes. I mean, to call
yourself an American first Christian conservative while you talk about
(02:55):
how much you hate Christians and you idolize people who
murdered them, like Stalin, and you're entirely focused on race
and making idols of all of these things. That's not
smart analysis. It's not smart policy. I mean, there's just
I'm not going to play all the audio. We have
a tranche of it. There's a ton of audio out
(03:17):
there of just him saying and crazy stuff to get attention.
And this was the big This was the big criticism
I think a lot of people had of Tucker in
that nobody stop trying to move the goalpost to save
your ass. First off, no one's sitting here talking about
whether or not someone should be platformed. The fact that
it was a softball interview, and it was, and I
(03:40):
had even messaged him about this, and obviously he disagreed
with me on it, but that's fine. People can disagree.
But it wasn't an issue of you platform someone. It
was an issue of how do you not push back
on these ideals and then just to come back, well,
the jew hatred is wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That's part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, But I mean even then in the interview, it
just seemed like more that you that there. It was
just a hand smacking of a friend as opposed to
a full throated rejection of bad, already defeated ideas.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
This is the issue with this.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Why does anyone feel like they have to entertain this twink?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
This nazi twink? Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's because people are terrified at losing digital relevancy.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's why they do it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's why you have these people that won't one way
or the other, They won't take a stand and make
these and let you know where they are at without question,
because they're terrified at losing a slice of that digital pie.
They want that audience, and they think that the best
way to get that audience is to ingratiate themselves with
(04:49):
those people, and then they think that they'll be able
to bring them on. No, that's not going to happen.
It's never happened. And half of these people are bots anyway.
It's just weird. It's very weird. I don't know why
we decided to be so duplicitous in discussing this thing
and discussing this issue, And it seems like the stupidest
(05:10):
time ever to get into racial politics and make idols
of race on the right when we have created such
a big tent coalition. You don't need a Nazi twink
army in order to win elections. In fact, you've never
needed it. They don't have an impact in the elections.
But the idea that you have to debase yourself to
(05:34):
ingratiate yourself to that audience in order to be relevant,
that pretty much is the epitaph alone.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Is it not? Seems like it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
This is what really struck me though, because we you know,
we had on. I had on Kevin Roberts. I had
interviewed him with heritage, and he was very careful to
defend his friend, and he did not want to He
did not want to condemn his friend. He was very careful.
It was not returned. Audio sound Bite twenty three. This
(06:08):
actually shocked me.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
This is all very recent. This shocked me.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Listen, There's a man called Kevin Roberts, who I knew
and really liked, took over the hair Just Foundation a
couple of years ago, and I thought, and that's the
biggest foundation in Washington, and I thought that he could
steer it into a positive direction. I think he certainly
wanted to. He tried, and in the end, ten days ago,
he got he was completely destroyed by this, by this
(06:32):
fighting within the within the Republican Party and the conservative movement,
very very sad and you know, I think the hairt
Just Fundation will and I say this again with sadness,
because they're smart people there, they have a ton of money.
They should be a force for good. But I don't
see how they ever will be. Not after that, not
after that absolutely cannibalized him, yep. And he allowed it.
(06:53):
He was he was weak. He decided he wanted his
job more than to tell the truth. And that's a
you know, that's a a moment that I think every
man faces inevitably in life. And I understand the fears.
I mean, I've certainly been there a lot, and you know,
not wanting to lose your job I get it. I'm
not judging, but you have to choose the truth.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That's really unfortunate. Tucker will not come on with me.
He will not, and we've known.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Each other for years.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
He's made it very clear, probably because we would have
to have uncomfortable conversations like this.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Loyalty is not a real thing in DC.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Everything is transactional, and I feel like Kevin Roberts was
trying to be loyal to his friend and to the
point where he really got himself in a situation in
which he could not.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
X.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
He could not he couldn't get out of it. I mean,
it was really uncomfortable to watch. He was very careful
in what he said about Carlson. He was very careful
when he was on this program talking with me, and
he did not want to criticize his friend. He didn't
(08:08):
get anywhere close to criticizing Tucker Carlson the same way
that Carlson was criticizing Roberts here that he.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Was he was weak.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I knew and really liked him talking about him in
the past tense. So Kevin Roberts committed sepuku for nothing,
for nothing, all of that for what only to be
thrown under the bus a couple of weeks later by
the guy he was protecting all because he wanted to
have an interview where he didn't ask hard questions. He
(08:39):
didn't I guess he didn't want to get flamed out
on x. He didn't want the bots to come after
him on social media. It was a softball interview, Just
be honest about it. It was a softball interview with
softball questions and there was barely any pushback. There was
at one point in our exchange it was like, well,
you know, you didn't see the part about you know
where I pushed back on blood Bible.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
That was a pushback.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Wow, goodness, I'd hate to see what accommodation looks like
if that was a pushback. I mean, good, heavens, But
to not challenge and like, you love Stalin? Why do
you like Stalin? What about Stalin impresses you so much?
What about Hitler impresses you so much? What about his
policies that you love impress.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You so much? There was nothing of that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It was just it was like a struggle session about
the people that they didn't like on the right.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It was weird.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But this is also what happens when you are. When
you don't stay consistent, when you're inconsistent on your views,
sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to be consistent. Consistency
is a very very difficult thing. Consistency and trends don't
go well together. And it's unfortunate that the Heritage Foundation
(09:55):
now has this black eye and that Roberts has gone
through all of this for what to be thrown under
the bus? Good night with friends like that. Who needs
the left to throw you under the bus? I mean,
good heavens.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It is.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Shocking to see, but not surprising though at the same time,
I mean, I look at other instances, you know, this
isn't the first time something like this has happened. I
mean there have been other instances before. I mean Tucker's
when he was at Fox. There was the story and
this was with the Dominion stuff and all of that,
where he apparently was very very critical of Potus, really
(10:35):
critical of Potus, and was in was messaging people behind
the scenes, highly critical and then does a onet eighty publicly.
So the stuff that's being said privately is very different
from the public stances. Was very critical of him behind
(10:58):
the scenes, but then was going on his and celebrating
every you know, really playing up all of these policies,
but essentially li likening him to a Nazi and calling
him a fascist and all of this other stuff. Privately,
I mean the language was very you know, I mean,
you could read it for yourself. It's olliver X. It's
all over social media, it's public, it's been out there.
(11:18):
It's just the duplicity of it all.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's it's being.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
One thing privately and another thing publicly. I don't like
that inconsistency either. And there's a lot of people in Washington,
DC that are like that. I mean, at least you
got to give it to candas Owen. She keeps all
the crazy public. I mean, she's not changed since she
was an Al Sharpton protege. She's not changed since she
created a doxing website and was going after conservatives around
(11:42):
twenty sixteen. She's still the same progressive. She's still that
same person. And now I think what she says that
that some governments took a hit out on her now
because I can't even follow all of it, it's too
crazy for me to even follow. At least she keeps
the crazy out there, right at least she's the same
(12:03):
crazy person publicly that she is privately. You can at
least count on that. So I just don't like these
little snakes in the grass that are one thing privately
and one thing publicly, and there is no honor and
there is no real loyalty. It's all about advantage. It's
all about what best aids clicks. And I'm going to
tell you something. These a lot of these people that
(12:24):
have not played in the digital space before until recently,
you know this is there. Everybody's very nervous because cable
news is collapsing. More and more people are turning away
from cable news. It doesn't have being a contributor somewhere.
It doesn't have the same punch that it used to,
It doesn't have the same prestige as it used to.
(12:44):
You don't even really need to do any of that
because the check doesn't isn't worthwhile.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You don't really need to do any of it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
A lot of people are, they're they're building their their
audiences digitally. But the problem is is the ones who
are so terrified at LOUP using any of their audience
that they try to accommodate everybody. It's like a pastor
trying to fill pews, and they water down the sermons
and they water down scriptures so they can accommodate everybody. Well,
(13:10):
at some point then it becomes lukewarm and nobody wants
to go because there's no value in it. And a
lot of these influencers need to be very careful of this,
especially on stuff like this. Right, there's no way that
you're going to be able to ingratiate yourself with an
audience that follows a Nazi twink. There's no way you're
going to be able to ingratiate yourself with that. There's
(13:32):
nothing to glean, there's no smart policy analysis. It's all
miles wide inches deep rhetoric that's designed to sound intelligent
but is really vapid and anemic. And I don't, but
there are people who want to. They don't want to
lose that axis, they don't want to get flamed on
social media, and so they try to accommodate all of it.
(13:55):
I've seen it over and over again, and sure there's
a short term pay off. Absolutely there's a short term payoff,
but you know, realistically, what does that do to you
over time?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It just hurts your credibility.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I see people now that are friends of mine, people
that I've met, that I've hung out with, that I've
dined with privately, that I whose families I know. And
I'm just watching all these people play this game, and
I'm so glad that I just don't do it. But
I'm watching these people play this game thinking this is
not sustainable long term because you keep landing on these minds.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
This is not sustainable long term.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And the stuff with TPUSA and I don't even I
don't even want to entertain the candae own stuff because
it just it kills brain cells without the benefit of
having alcohol to go along with it. It is some
of the most mind numbingly idiotic stuff I've ever read
in my life. There is no great commission to go
and take out somebody who was an al Sharpton protege
and grifted their way into the space that they're in now.
(14:54):
There is no grand design to do that. People, Good Heavens,
there's there's we're all talking about this stuff. We're everybody's
obsessing that. It's one of the things that we've absolutely
have been able to prove now that the country of
location is turned on with all of these X accounts,
is that so many of these are foreign actors that
(15:15):
are all designed to drive division on the right.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Especially with all this Israel stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So many of them and everybody is being distracted by
the psyop to not only divide the right but weaken
alliances in the Middle East while also accommodating the spread
of Islamism in the United States. Notice how none of
these accounts are under these people are critical of Islam.
In fact, I've seen it to the contrary. I have
watched people at the Daily Wire remark about how, oh, well,
(15:44):
you know, the hit job is actually a very modest
piece of clothing.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm not kidding you. This is the stuff that I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You have people that are literally actually putting themselves adjacent
to Islamism in order to prove that they're so anti Israel.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It is wild to see.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We've got there's a lot more to talk about this,
but to discuss about it, but it is.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I feel like we're the only sober people at the
party and everybody else's haze kite.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's what it feels like watching this.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It feels like you're the babies that are at the party,
and everybody else is literally like a drink away from
passing out, blacking out entirely. It is the craziest thing
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
And now all of the news you would probably miss.
It's time for Dana's quickfive.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So emails reveal Apparently this is from Hollywood Reporter. There
was that pro Epstein documentary that was in the works
and it was going to be Apparently everything was going
to kick off on the day of his arrest. Apparently
Steve Bannon was one of those individuals. They were making
a redemptive documentary to counter the damaging narratives from Netflix's
(18:05):
Jeffrey Epstein's Filthy Rich, and they were going to apparently
unleash a I guess image rehabilitating documentary to show.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Him in a new light.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So that explains some of the moves with some of
the former insiders from the twenty sixteen Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Interesting Gretathunburg.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Gottathunburg was banned from Venice after she dumped green dye
into the canals. I don't know what this chick's damage is.
She was banned because she was dumping green dye in
the canal. She was being accused of being more interested
in self promotion than in the environment. She's a twenty
(18:53):
something year old climate campaigner. Now forty eight hour restriction
she had was banned after multiple test over the weekend,
and apparently they had thirty five other activists that were
also fined in band. I don't know what the purpose
of what the point of dying at Green was, but
that was just one of that was.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I don't even understand what the point of it is.
It seems like it's that was with the water. Seems
like it's pretty damaging to the environment that they're claiming
that they are out there to save.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Treasury Secretary says there's not going to be a recession
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
There are a lot of people who are wondering whether
or not we're in one now. Scott Besson said he
was optimistic about the economy as a whole, but acknowledged
that there were some sensitive there's some interest rate sensitive
sectors that have experienced recession. But when he was asked
on meet the press over the weekend whether or not
we are at risk of entering such a recession. He
(19:47):
said no, that he's confident that people will they will
feel economic relief next year coming from.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Trade deals, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Also, the let's see the data this is that's that's
not a headline. More Americans are getting their power shut
off as unpaid bills are piling up. Apparently, this is
they buried the lead like six graphs in because the
alpha Btaria whatever lady who writes at MSNBC needs to
(20:17):
be fired because you can't write a story. So if
you go six graphs into the piece, you finally see
that in electricity prices have been triggering a number of
shut ups across the country and so there are apparently
a lot of unpaid bills because people are broke. And
they said that prices have gone up so rapidly and
as a result, it is unaffordable. Electricity is unaffordable in
(20:41):
many areas of the nation. Interesting, and apparently two hundred
chickens were killed in Fort Pierce in a semi truck crash.
This is from KIRO Channel seven. They said that no
humans were harmed. This is the same can't be said
for the birds. This is like one of the first
headlines involving foul that don't involve fear mongering headlines about
(21:05):
bird flu and things of that nature. Also, we've got
this is interesting. This just came in from the Department
of War. They said that they received serious allegations of
misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly. This they just tweeted this
like ten minutes before we went to air. Very interesting.
Now I'm wondering if this has to do They just
(21:25):
said misconduct has to do with the Uniform Code of
Military Justice.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We'll come back to this. We got a lot more
to touch on. Stick with us.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
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Speaker 3 (22:37):
Docking announcement from Congresswoman Green.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
What went through your mind when you first heard she
was going to resign on January fifth?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You know what, Honestly, I was like, You've got to
be kidding me. You're on the other side of the
president for one week and you can't take the heat.
Imagine what it is to sit in my shoes, to
not only be on the opposite side of him, but
to have people like her who are constantly fanning the
flames of hate. And imagine what those threats look like
(23:06):
when you literally are someone like me. But at the
end of the day, I know that I serve the
people of Texas thirty and so my job isn't to
be there and necessarily do whatever is going to make
the president not be on my back, but instead it's
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Speaker 3 (23:27):
Everything is always about her.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Everything is always about Jasmine Crockett. She will never fail.
She makes everything she's asked about Marjorie Taylor Green resigning,
and Jasmine Crocket's like, but me, like, imagine me. We
don't want to That's okay. Not everything is about you, really,
Jasmine Crockett doesn't move the needle very much. She just
(23:49):
provides really dippy sound bites and is used as a
great example of how to just be a really clueless leftist.
Welcome back to the programmed Dana Lash with you. Bottom
of this first hour.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
The it is really odd that whole.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
The whole thing where she's it's about me. I mean,
imagine me being across from the president like she's the
only one who's ever disagreed with him. The Marjorie Taylor
Green thing is weird because it seems like it seems
a lot of like a lot of drama. I mean,
there were some people wondering if she was expecting Trump
to chase her, and that's why she announced that she
(24:33):
was going to be leaving after the first of the year.
And he's not going to chase So the bottom line
is that they ran internal pulling on her and she's
not going to farewell in a race against Ausa going
into the Senate. And the word is that Trump looked
at the was shown the numbers and he was like,
(24:53):
this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Why don't you just stay in the house.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
She didn't want to do that, And that seems to
be feeling some of this first and foremost, and then
some of the other policy decisions that Trump has made
that seems to be kind of secondary. But I don't know,
it's just it's it seems like kind of a stunt
to me, honestly, it just seems like a stunt.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And I just can't take.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Seriously people who decide it's too hard to continue serving
the people that they swore that they would represent in DC.
You know that going in it's not like people run
for office. And then it's surprised we didn't realize how
tough this was. You know, people running for office, they
don't they're not ambushed with the reality that there might
(25:39):
be some palace intrigues, so to speak, and it might
be difficult, and they may have to battle, do battle
and debate, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So none of this was new. None of this was unusual.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And when you choose of your own free will to
represent people and you need to serve out the remainder
of your no matter how uncomfortable it may get for you,
and it just seems weak and a stunt, and I
just I don't really think highly of it because it
leaves Republicans with one less seat. And then it doesn't
(26:15):
look well when you realize how much money that she
has made. Apart from her family's construction business, she's made
a lot of cash trading. And when you're that close
and you see certain things are going down and you
make trades based on the information that you're looking at, that's,
you know, regardless of whether or not you're disclosing it.
The problem is that you're there in a capacity to
(26:37):
represent people, and you're using your close proximity to the
movements of a lot of these companies that affect policy,
as you know, background for you to call and make
these trades and to enrich yourself. I mean, when you
leave with over twenty million dollars after walking in with
only a little over seven hundred thousand. That's pretty insane
to me. And then when you're leaving two days after
(26:58):
your congressional pension vests, ensuring that you get a payout
for the rest of your life, that's also pretty insane
to me. And that's exactly she's announced that she was
resigning on She's leaving on the fifth, and her congressional
pension vests on the third. So it makes I mean,
it's completely understandable and legitimate to ask these questions to
(27:19):
ask why are you doing this now? Is it just
because you major millions and you got your congressional pension
and now it's it is that all the American people
are good for to make sure that you're able to
make some money trading and that you get a congressional pension,
because that just seems pretty hokey and a lot of
people feel used. If I was the voters, i'd be
pretty angry because it's not like you can just throw
(27:40):
together an election immediately either. You have to have special elections.
This takes time. You have to go through the Secretary
of State, You've got to get it on the ballot.
First off, you've got to get ballot language approved. Then
you've got to get it on the ballot, and there's
like a whole process to doing this. It's not like
they can just come back next week and hold a
special election. You know it's going to it's a process,
and it's taxpayer funded, So taxpayers are going to be
(28:02):
paid for yet another election. They're going to be paid
twice for the same seat. I'm just curious as to
how people feel about that, because it seems weak to
bow out at this point, and to call yourself a
fighter just doesn't seem right. And to leave an already
strap majority with a barely with even a smaller advantage,
(28:25):
it's just incredibly weak on multiple fronts.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
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