December 17, 2025 • 37 mins
The first message looks perfect, the photos even better, until reality shows up with a completely different face.
Valerie spills all the tea on catfish chaos, love bombing, and gaslighting that turned a four-year relationship into a masterclass in ignoring your gut.
She shares the shocking moment she found proof and why giving a second chance only made her ex sneakier.
We talk dating across genders, STEM vibes, making the first move on Bumble and Hinge, and tiny habits that reveal big red flags.
Hear about a bikini barista date gone hilariously wrong, wild stories with financial domination, and even some celebrity app drama.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Oh my god, I just totally got catfished.
He looks absolutely nothing likehis picture.
So I found out the guy that I'vebeen dating is married with
kids.
His wife just reached out to me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
Welcome to the meat market.
The single scene is aslaughterhouse, and we are here
to devour it.
We are your hosts.
I'm Lindsay.
I'm Jess.
And today's sizzling single isValerie.
Welcome.
Hi.
So we hear you have a toxic ex.
Tell us about that.
Ugh, yes.
SPEAKER_03 (00:29):
I won't say too many things, but I do have a toxic
ex.
It was a woman.
I was with her for four years.
And I should have seen it fromthe very beginning.
There were red flags everywhere.
She was very flirty with herfriends.
And anytime I would mention,like, hey, I think this friend
might like you, she would getupset at me and we would have
(00:52):
arguments.
But she was the first woman Iever dated, so I ignored a lot
of signs.
And she was very quick to Iguess uh turn it around on me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04):
I hate it when people do that.
Spin things to make themselvesthe victim.
SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
Exactly.
And she was really good at it.
Like, if I can give a crown tothe best manipulator in the
world, it would be her.
SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
Interesting.
What were some of the other redflags besides being super
flirty?
SPEAKER_03 (01:19):
Uh keeping a lot of secrets.
Oh, huge red flag.
Yeah.
And then getting caught in lies.
She was a huge liar.
Like I would catch her in smalllies.
Like she would say, Oh, I'mgoing to Chicago for a weekend.
And then it turns out shewasn't.
She was at home.
(01:39):
Yeah.
Was she a love bomber?
Oh, yeah.
Did she love bomb you?
She was the best at that aswell.
She took me on the best dates.
She said she loved me, I think,within two months.
And let's see, we traveled alot, like within the first year.
SPEAKER_00 (01:57):
People who love bomb, they're the worst.
Why is that?
They're the cheaters and they'rethe toxic.
SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
But so speaking of love, toxic love bombing.
So I was recently, why do I haveso many stories recently when
I'm at my waxer?
So I was recently getting a wax.
And so like a little backgroundinformation.
So my waxer had a baby.
So she was on maternity leave.
And then I was out of town forlike five weeks.
(02:26):
And so I hadn't seen her in along time, right?
And so she just because I hadn'tseen her, she's like, Are we
just doing the regular?
And I'm like, well, yeah, likewhat?
I mean, are people doing likedesigns or something down there?
Like, what?
Like, what do you mean?
And she's like, no, actually,she's like, last year on
Valentine's Day, a woman askedme to wax an initial into her
(02:52):
pubic hair.
Oh.
And I was like, oh my God.
I was like, did you do it?
And she said, yeah.
And I was like, that sounds likea toxic love bombing situation.
And I said, what was the letter?
And she goes, guess what letterit was?
And I guessed it on the firstguess.
Jay?
So I guess it was Jay! I guessit was on the first guess.
(03:13):
So I was gonna ask you, what'syour do you have a guess for a
toxic name?
So or a toxic letter.
SPEAKER_03 (03:20):
Well, if it's Jay, then I was did they tell you the
name?
SPEAKER_02 (03:24):
Yeah, she said it was Jay.
She didn't tell me the name, butshe said the letter that she
waxed in was a J.
SPEAKER_00 (03:31):
It's funny how people always say, never date a
guy that starts with a J.
Why?
Is it because there's so manynames with Jay?
Justin, Jake.
I don't know.
Why is Jay?
SPEAKER_02 (03:40):
Well, and maybe because it's common across
races, because there's likethere's Jose and all like Jay
names in in Latin.
SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
And then Jaden and Jalen and one of the worst guys
that I ever dated was a Jay.
SPEAKER_02 (03:59):
Me too.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (04:02):
Actually, no, I think really?
Yeah, I dated a Juan and I dateda what was his name?
Javion?
Javier, something like that.
And they were bad.
Yeah, very bad.
Very toxic.
SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
So you date men and women.
Do you have a preference betweenthe two?
SPEAKER_03 (04:19):
I do.
As of the last few years, Iprefer to date women, but I am
open to still dating men.
I'm just very picky.
unknown (04:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
What is the biggest difference between the two?
Would you say?
SPEAKER_03 (04:33):
I would say the biggest difference would have to
be the lack of toxicmasculinity.
So obviously women were a lotsofter, and there's not like a
competition of who can get thebill or who looks tough or who
can be the protector.
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It's kind of like you're justbesties that are also attracted
to each other, if that makessense.
SPEAKER_02 (04:59):
So who in your preference, who does get the
bill when you go out with awoman?
Okay, typically not me.
SPEAKER_03 (05:08):
But I'm more open to it.
I feel like with men,unfortunately, I already have
the idea that they should, youknow, pay for things.
So I don't typically offer.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
So how do you meet women out here?
Are you on the dating apps?
SPEAKER_03 (05:23):
I am now.
Um, I am on bumble and hinge.
And so far it's going okay, it'snot going great.
Let me be honest.
It's not going great because Ifeel like you're just swiping
left and then on hinge, the onesthat reach out to me are saying
(05:44):
the craziest things.
And I kind of feel like I shouldtake a break from it.
SPEAKER_02 (05:49):
Isn't is Hinge the one where the man is supposed to
message first?
SPEAKER_03 (05:53):
Bumble.
SPEAKER_02 (05:54):
Oh, that's bumble.
Okay, I was gonna ask then howthat works if it's if it's two
women, if you're interested inwomen.
SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
That's a good question.
SPEAKER_02 (06:02):
So with two women, it's up to both of us.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
Okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:05):
Yeah.
Okay.
I still don't message first.
SPEAKER_00 (06:07):
So what's your type?
What do you like?
The feminine type?
What is it, the lipsticklesbians that they call them?
SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Yes.
So I would like to say as far asattraction, I'm open to all,
like more masculine or morefeminine.
But when it comes torelationship, I prefer what we
call a STEM.
SPEAKER_00 (06:26):
What is that?
SPEAKER_03 (06:27):
So it's like a stud and femme mixed together.
And so it's like the play onmasculine and feminine energy in
one person.
SPEAKER_00 (06:35):
Okay.
Yeah.
Is there like a place, like aclub that you can go to to meet
other women or like physicalplaces where you can meet them
in the wild?
SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
Yes.
There is.
So do you want me to say thenames of them?
There's Charlie's, which I don'tactually suggest going there
because everyone's very chaotic.
Really?
But it's a gay bar, so a lot ofgay men and then like gay women
and even straight people gothere.
SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
Yeah, I've been to Charlie's many times.
I like Charlie's.
I like the taco shop.
I like the taco shop that'sattached to it.
No, right?
SPEAKER_03 (07:10):
Taco tacos.
Everyone always says that.
Like if you go there, you gothere for the tacos and the
quesadillas.
Yep.
But people don't know you canalso go there for the burgers.
It sounds crazy, but if you waitan hour, you'll get the best
burger you've ever had.
SPEAKER_02 (07:26):
Are they still cash only, the taco place?
No.
Because I remember years ago, myfriend and I were going and we
were literally tearing his carapart trying to find change
because neither one of us hadany cash and we won.
I was so mad.
It was so funny.
Did you ever find some?
Oh yeah, we found some.
SPEAKER_03 (07:46):
You found enough change for the tacos.
SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
Like offering services to people that's funny
because I was with my gayfriend, so I would have offered
his services for nine dollarsthis way.
SPEAKER_03 (08:02):
I love that.
That is very gay coded too.
Yes.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:07):
So there used to be, there used to be a bar, cash.
Was it called Cash in?
Does that still is that still aplace here?
Oh, I wasn't more about theClassbian bar.
I think it was more women thanit was men in terms of a gay
bar.
But I don't know what I'msaying.
I think I've been there.
SPEAKER_00 (08:23):
I don't I haven't been there for years and years
and years, but I do rememberthat place.
SPEAKER_03 (08:27):
Okay.
I think I might know what youguys are referring to.
It might be this bar that's nextto Karumbas.
I don't know if you've heard ofKarumbas.
It's Phoenix.
SPEAKER_00 (08:37):
Phoenix?
Okay.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:39):
McDowell.
I feel like Cash was onMcDowell.
Maybe.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
I don't know.
I don't know.
I feel like I don't know.
I feel like you probably havebetter luck just going to any
old place.
Yeah.
Right?
Than going to a specific gaybar.
SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Have you ever if if you see a woman that you're
attracted to, do you make thefirst move?
SPEAKER_03 (08:57):
Okay, so oftentimes I do make the first move, but
I'm a flirt.
So what is your line?
Compliment them.
So go up and tell them, oh mygosh, I love your outfit, or
you're so beautiful, or like,I've been seeing you around.
You know, the typical things.
And that just gets them to payattention.
(09:18):
And then you see how they lookat you, like if they're
interested, if they're actuallygay, and you go from there.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
And how do you feel about like polyamorous
relationships?
Would you be open to that?
SPEAKER_03 (09:29):
It's also very popular in the community.
Is it really?
Yeah, but I'm not more of a polygirl.
I feel like I would say I'meither monogamous or open.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
So for me, I like all the attention.
But we can possibly exploresomeone together, or I don't
care if my partner's likeflirting with someone as long as
I'm aware.
SPEAKER_00 (09:52):
So you're okay for like a one-night thing, but not
for like of an entirerelationship.
You're not comfortable.
SPEAKER_03 (09:58):
Yeah.
Unless it's like we see thisfriend every few months and hook
up with them, then I can becomfortable with that.
But again, I have to be the mainperson that you think about.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
If you're attracted to a man and you're you're out
in public attracted to a man,are you gonna go up to the man
as well like you would with awoman, or do you prefer to take
the more traditional let the mancome to you role?
SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
That's a good question.
I feel like I would prefer totake the more traditional role,
but there have been times whereI go up to a man, I'm just like,
you look really good.
And I've realized that some menthat I'm attracted to aren't the
type to go up to a woman becausethey don't want to offend
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anyone.
So if I do want to like startdating a man and I see them in
public, I know that I'llprobably have to go up to them.
SPEAKER_02 (10:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
What are you looking for?
Are you looking to get married?
Do you want children?
Do you want something serious?
SPEAKER_03 (10:58):
So right now I I'm mostly focused on having fun,
but also getting to know someonethat I can eventually be in a
serious relationship with.
And I do want to get married,I'm just not sure when.
In my head, I have to make surethat I'm completely financially
stable.
(11:18):
You know, I've done a lot oftraveling, I've lived my best
life, then I can considermarriage and possibly kids.
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
You're still young.
How old are you?
I'm 28.
Okay, so you're still young.
You have plenty of time.
unknown (11:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:32):
When you see yourself as a wife, do you see
yourself as a wife to a woman orto a wife as a man?
SPEAKER_03 (11:38):
Right now to a woman.
SPEAKER_02 (11:39):
To a woman.
SPEAKER_03 (11:40):
Yeah.
So when I was younger, really upuntil four years ago, I can
imagine myself married to a man.
But then once I started datingwomen, because that's when I
came out, I realized that itmight be more of my speed to
marry a woman.
But again, we'll see in like 10years.
I'll give myself ten years.
SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
Do you date older?
What is your age range?
SPEAKER_03 (12:03):
Older.
I would say two years to tenyears older than me.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
Okay.
Um describe your typephysically.
SPEAKER_03 (12:12):
For both men and women.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
For women.
SPEAKER_03 (12:14):
Women.
Okay, so I would say if we'retalking about height, 5'5 to
5'10.
I don't like someone who's likeway taller than me.
I feel like my neck is gonnahurt if I'm looking up all the
time.
And then build it's a tossbetween like curvy or athletic.
(12:36):
Like I could appreciate both,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
And what about men?
SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
Men?
Okay.
So I know I just said that neckthing, they can't be much
taller, but I feel like withmen, I would say 5'9 to 6'2 and
definitely athletic build.
I like a basketball way,basketball player type build.
Like I am open to other things,especially if we connect on
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other levels, but yeah,basketball player.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
What are your deal breakers?
Liars.
SPEAKER_03 (13:10):
That's a bill big deal breaker for me because I
was lied to a lot in my previousrelationship.
And I'm a very honest person.
You ask me a question, I'll justtell you like no restraints.
So if you lie to me, we're notgoing to get along.
And disrespectful people.
Like if you can disrespect yourparents, that's a huge red eye.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
I hate that.
Right.
I've I've broken up with guysbecause I've seen how they treat
their parents, and it's it'shard to watch.
It's heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
So I broke up with a guy once because he was
complaining about taking his momto church on Easter Sunday, and
like church was so early.
And I was like, it's EasterSunday, and your mother wants
her son to take her to church.
SPEAKER_03 (13:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:52):
Why like I get it if you don't want to go, cool,
that's fine, but keep that toyourself.
You don't need to sit here andcomplain to me about it for 10
minutes, you know.
Wow.
So he didn't like his mom atall.
I mean, I mean, I he didn't liketaking her to church on Easter.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
And it kind of I feel like it's an indicator of
how he's gonna treat you in arelationship.
Is he gonna not want to take yousomewhere?
SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
That's how that's how I saw it.
It was like I didn't see it aslike I don't think he disliked
his mom or had a badrelationship with her.
Because I think he was closewith his mom, but just hearing
him complain about having to getup early and take her to church,
it was like, is this how youtalk to your friends about
taking me out?
Right.
Yeah, it's so true.
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That was more what it was aboutfor me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:38):
Have you ever walked out mid-date?
No, I actually haven't.
Have you had a crazy bad firstdate that you wanted to walk
out?
SPEAKER_03 (14:46):
I would say no, not crazy bad.
I have had a couple of datesthat I was a little
uncomfortable, but I'm overlypolite.
So, like, even if you're makingme slightly uncomfortable, as
long as the conversation isn'tterrible, I'll just sit through
it until I find an excuse toleave.
SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:07):
So there was one date, and he took me to bikini
barista coffee shop.
And I did?
Yeah.
Is that kind of weird?
They wear bikinis, right?
Oh yeah, that's exactly what itwas.
Uh-huh.
So it was weird.
That was our first date.
We were previously just textingfor a few weeks, and I just went
because I was like, you know, doit for the plot.
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And we get there, and he wasobviously looking at the barisas
and like checking them out.
And I was just like, okay,that's kind of weird.
That's just as bad as going to astore club here.
SPEAKER_02 (15:44):
Because I've gone to I've been to Bikini Beans many
times.
It's the one actually the onethat I've been to is like it's a
drive-thru situation.
It's kind of like a Dutch Bros.
Yeah.
But it's so it's it's notconducive to sitting down at a
table and having a nice,relaxing coffee, like if you go
to like the Henry for coffee, orif you go somewhere that's or
(16:04):
somewhere like Lux, where it'slike it's a cafe where you can
sit at a table and have a coffeeand a nice cup.
You know what I mean?
It's like a drive-thru.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
I wonder if he was trying to be funny and wanted to
see a reaction.
SPEAKER_03 (16:19):
Like, I don't think so.
I think he like actually thoughtabout this and chose this place
for the first date.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
Because he had a great time.
At the end, at the end, he waslike, Oh my gosh, I want you to
come to this party to meet myfriends that same day.
And I was like, No, I'm superbusy with family stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (16:44):
It gives like frat, bro.
Yeah.
It's kind of like, let's go tobikini bean coffee and then go
to a party.
Yeah, exactly.
That party.
SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
Very young and immature.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So have you been cheated on?
You said you had, right?
Yes.
How did you find out?
SPEAKER_03 (17:02):
So I found out because I waited to find out her
phone code.
So she would never give me herphone code.
That's red flag right there.
Yeah, another red flag.
It's I was aware, I don't knowwhy I ignored it, but she would
never give me her phone code.
And then one weekend rightbefore her birthday, we're all
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really drunk, and my friend wastrying to change some music on
her phone, and she was like, Oh,I can't get in.
What's your code?
And she told her the code, and Ioverheard it, and I just kept
that in my head.
SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
I was just gonna ask, like, how do you add do you
guys at like do you ask?
What's your phone code?
Or ooh, because like I feelawkward.
It is asking someone.
Like, I feel like it's kind ofpersonal.
So, how do you ask someoneyou're dating?
SPEAKER_00 (17:52):
Like that, like, hey, I want to put some music
on, what's your phone code?
And if they get all weird aboutit and don't want to tell you, I
feel like that's a red flag.
SPEAKER_03 (17:59):
Actually, yeah, that's a great idea.
SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
So, okay, so you put some, so you heard the code.
SPEAKER_03 (18:04):
So I heard the code, and then I waited until she went
to sleep later.
And I just grabbed her phone,which she always used to sleep
with her phone under her pillow.
Yeah, another red flag for sure.
But I waited until she was likecompletely knocked out.
I grab her phone, go to theother room, unlock it, and man,
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the text messages from so manydifferent women.
SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
There was a reason she was hiding her phone under
her pillow.
SPEAKER_03 (18:35):
Yeah, she was getting nudes and everything.
She was sweet talking, thesewomen.
She is a charmer.
Wow.
Like that's another clash.
SPEAKER_00 (18:42):
How did you approach her about this?
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
I actually didn't.
I put her phone back under herpillow and I disappeared for two
weeks.
Not a healthy way to do it, butI didn't know how to address
that because it was a lot.
And it was even like people thatshe introduced me to.
That's her friend.
SPEAKER_02 (19:02):
That's messed up.
SPEAKER_03 (19:03):
So yeah, I had to disappear.
I was at my friends.
I went back to my place and shewas looking for me and messaging
me on social media.
SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
I know that she's probably the type of person who
would have then in turn got madat you for invading her privacy
and going through the phone.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
How dare you go through my phone?
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (19:21):
Yeah.
Gaslighter.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
So did you end it?
Like, did you finally tell herwhat you saw?
SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
I did.
So after the couple weeks, Iresponded to one of her messages
and let her know what was goingon and that we were over.
And she did ask to see me a weeklater and explain everything,
and I let her.
We became friends for six monthsand then started dating again.
(19:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
And how did it work out the second time?
SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
She didn't cheat as far as I knew, but very
disrespectful.
And then I caught her in a lot.
Of really stupid lies, so I cannever recover from like not
trusting her.
SPEAKER_02 (20:05):
But did she give you her phone code the second time
around?
Yes, I'd access all of herphone.
Of course.
And I'm sure she cleaned it allup very nicely.
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (20:14):
And then even her work phone, she had an Android
to where you would have to use afingerprint.
And she put my fingerprint asone of them.
So I was able to access itwhenever.
So that was nice.
But I also caught something inher work phone at some point.
But not cheating.
She was just talking to one ofthe girls.
She cheated on me previouslyabout being in the hospital.
SPEAKER_02 (20:38):
So I feel like sometimes when you catch a
partner doing something and youconfront them about it, work
through it, and then give themanother chance, it it just gives
them ways to hide it better thenext time.
You know what I mean?
Like if they haven't actuallychanged or if they haven't
actually done better or doingbetter, I feel like it just
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gives them it just basicallyteaches them, it teaches them
how to hide it better from youfor the next time.
SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
Sometimes they think, oh, I did it once, I got
away with it, she forgave me.
So then they think they can doit again, especially if they're
more sneaky about it.
Yeah.
Yes.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (21:17):
And that's what was in the back of my mind the whole
time.
The rest of our relationship,I'm just like, she's highly
intelligent.
She was an engineer.
So I'm like, she is definitelycapable of realizing her
mistakes and you know, hiding itbetter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
Yeah.
We were talking about that inanother episode about dating
women, women dating women, andhow women tend to be a little
bit more maybe like sneaky andmanipulative.
They're smarter when how they dothings.
Yeah, manipulative and they plotprobably.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
Like, don't they say women cheat more than men, but
they're just smarter about it,so they don't get caught as
much.
I've heard that.
SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
Yeah, and I know that is for sure, though.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
Are you ready for it?
SPEAKER_02 (21:59):
I'm ready for it.
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SPEAKER_03 (22:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:10):
Um, so this one says my partner's mom still books all
of his doctor's appointments.
I feel like this is a dealbreaker.
He says it's just beingefficient.
SPEAKER_00 (22:25):
Wait, his mom still books his appointment?
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
His mom books his doctor's appointment, but she
doesn't say how old they are.
I think that's a red flag.
But I think it doesn't matterhow old you are.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
If you're an adult and you can't book your own
doctor's appointments, what elsecan't you do?
She's still doing his laundry.
It makes you question, right?
Yeah.
She's still cooking him mealsand like prepping them for him
and you know probably.
I don't know.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
Yeah, that would be a not necessarily a deal breaker
for me, but it would be aconversation that would need to
be had.
Like, I think it's time to takeyour health care into your own
hands.
SPEAKER_00 (22:59):
I mean, if it's an assistant, you know, at work or
something, or my secretary, butmy mom, I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It would make me question a lotof things.
SPEAKER_03 (23:08):
It would.
It's a little too sounds alittle too codependent.
Yeah, exactly.
And like they might put theirmom over you, and then also they
might need you to mother them.
Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Hell nice.
Good point.
So now we're gonna talk aboutthe new dating trend.
Have you heard of this?
I know you have.
It's based on the Dom SubFetish.
It's a pay pig, aka a financialsub or fin sub, and a finum, a
financial Dom.
Have you heard of this?
I have, yes.
So a pay pig or fin sub is aperson who gets sexual or
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psychological gratification fromgiving money and gifts to
another person known as afindum, financial dominatrix.
This arrangement is a form offinancial domination, a
fetist-based relationship thattypically occurs online.
So key characteristics it's adom-sub dynamic.
The relationship follows a domsub power structure where the
pay pig is a submissive one whoserves the dominant partner
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financially.
So you don't you know someonethat does this or has done it?
No.
No?
Uh-uh.
So motivation, the pay pig findssatisfaction in being
financially exploited.
The thrill often comes frombeing controlled and verbally
degraded by the dominant partnerrather than from a traditional
quid pro quo exchange.
Like I've seen TikToks wherethey address their PayPig and
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they're like, you owe me thisand you owe me that, and here
are the receipts.
Pay up, you loser, pay up, youscumbag, pay me at this link,
and then that's what I've seenTikToks too.
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
You're like, you know what it is.
Don't you have a friend thatlike, no, I've seen TikTok video
of Cindy.
She's like, you're one friend.
unknown (24:39):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (24:40):
So it's not online.
It's a digital environment, sothey don't even meet in person.
So it's like, what a goodsituation for the one who's
receiving the money and gets tospend and abuse his account.
Like these submissives want youto just abuse their bank account
and spend the money and likethrow it in their face.
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
What a great situation to be in.
I know.
Like, how where do I sign up?
SPEAKER_03 (25:06):
Literally.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
What can I apply?
SPEAKER_03 (25:09):
The first time I ever heard of that, I was like,
I would be great at that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
Like they don't even have to have sex, they don't
even have to meet the person.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Do they have to see them?
Like, does the does the sub haveto be attracted to the person?
SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
Because it's all via video, yeah.
Okay.
So level of control.
The level of control can vary.
Some pay pigs send small regularpayments, while others grant the
dominant figure complete controlover their finances.
The dynamic can be a simple formof financial gifting or a
complex arrangement that fundsthe dominant's entire lifestyle.
It's crazy.
Some people in the findem scenedescribe a feeling of sexual
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compulsivity akin to gambling,where the thrill of giving money
provides a dopamine rush.
SPEAKER_02 (25:52):
I think if okay.
If I met someone and they toldme that that's what they were
into, I don't think I could datesomeone that was into that kind
of that had that fetish.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like they're giving their moneyaway.
So financially irresponsible.
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What a waste of money.
SPEAKER_03 (26:16):
Literally for no reason.
They're not getting anythingback except for being degraded.
SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
That's what I'm saying.
There's no reason.
Like you're literally justthrowing your money to this
person.
Yeah.
It seems so irresponsible.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
So irresponsible.
I mean, unless you're like amulti-billionaire like Elon
Musk, who's gonna be the firsttrillionaire.
Yeah.
He has probably so much money hecan do that.
But other than that, like, whata waste of money.
SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
Yeah, very true.
And it's like, why isn't itgoing towards me?
Like, why would I date you ifyou're not throwing your money
towards me?
It's some stranger on theinternet.
I know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
And I know everybody has their hobbies and their
things that they spend money on.
Yeah.
But typically it's in ex likeyou said, it's in exchange for
something else, right?
So it's like on clothes or evenon sex.
Like at least, you know, gettingoff.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
Even gambling, you're gambling, but you there's
a chance you could win a bunchback.
So I can see that, you know, theappeal to that.
But really, what are you gettingback from from this?
Just someone yelling at you andliterally.
SPEAKER_02 (27:13):
But they get aroused, I guess.
They get themselves on.
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Different horses, different feelings.
SPEAKER_02 (27:17):
I feel like there's a lot, there's like cheaper ways
to masturbate.
Obviously.
It definitely is.
SPEAKER_03 (27:22):
And I mean, they can be degraded for free.
Just irritate a woman out in thebar.
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
Walk up somebody, walk up to some woman pumping
her gas and ask her about herday.
Like she will be irritated withyou.
It could be so simple.
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
Where is your favorite place to go on a first
date?
SPEAKER_03 (27:41):
So I wouldn't say I have a favorite place.
I actually like to do activitieson the first date.
Um, that would include maybe agood hike or going to an event.
So I yeah, I can't even have ananswer for you.
Yeah.
And I typically don't plan thefirst date.
I let the other person plan it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:00):
Do you like to be the sub in the relationship?
Do you like your partner to takecontrol to plan things to be
take control in the bedroom?
SPEAKER_03 (28:08):
Yes and no.
I like to call myself a switch.
So I can do whatever the otherpartner doesn't feel like doing.
So if they feel like not beingas dominant, I can be dominant.
But 70, 60 to 70% of the time, Ido prefer for them to plan more
things and take more control ifthey're comfortable with it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Now it's time for the celebrity cut where we
marinate in the juices of thecelebrities.
Did you guys see that KathyGriffin?
You know Kathy Griffin, right?
She is on four dating apps.
She's on like all the datingapps and is like having a hard
time finding someone.
SPEAKER_02 (28:42):
She's having a hard time.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
So she was married, and I guess they got divorced
because she was saying how hecompletely changed.
When she met him, he wasoutgoing and social and fun and
vivacious, and he just turnedinto this homebody that kind of
never wanted to leave the houseand turned very antisocial.
And she's like, that's not me.
So now she got divorced and nowshe's out trying to find love
again.
And I guess she's on four datingup.
(29:05):
But can you imagine you'rescrolling and you see how
intimidating?
SPEAKER_02 (29:08):
Well, you would think it was a fake account.
You would.
Like you wouldn't, you'd haveto.
What would you say or ask to getit to be like, prove to me that
you're the real Kathy Griffin?
SPEAKER_00 (29:21):
Take a picture holding a banana with like a
finger on me.
SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
And then post on your story that you didn't, so
pretty sure.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
It is true, because I bet there aren't so many fake
accounts, you know?
Unless do do I'm sure Raya does,but do some dating apps have
like the verified sign?
They do.
SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
I know Bumble has it.
Okay.
I think Hinge has it as well.
SPEAKER_02 (29:42):
But I've seen, so in that are we dating the same guy
group?
They've posted, I've seen acouple posts there where it's
scammers.
Um so basically what they do isthey set up their dating profile
and they take a picture ofthemselves to get verified.
And then they delete the pictureof themselves and put on
(30:04):
pictures of someone else tocatfish.
SPEAKER_03 (30:07):
I don't know, you can do that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
But the thing is, is so the reason why a couple guys
have been posted in this groupis because they forgot to delete
the actual photo of themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Dumb on the idiot.
SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
Yes, yeah.
So they'll have like three orfour photos of the person that
they're catfishing, like theperson that they're using.
And then it's like this randomselfie from like the bottom up
of a completely differentperson.
Like completely differentperson.
Oh, I love that.
So they so much.
So even though it's verified,there's still ways to tell me
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you're a catfish about tellingme you're a catfish.
Like, did they even really try?
There's right, exactly.
But there's ways to get aroundthe verified thing.
So you could totally becatfishing as a celebrity if you
want to.
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
Honestly, I just I forgot that people catfish.
No, I've been called a catfishbefore.
Like they thought I was acatfish, like over text, and
they said it's because I used toput like my Instagram photos on
there, and they're like moreprofessional looking.
I guess you're not supposed todo that.
SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
I don't know.
You are very beautiful though.
Like I can see how people wouldthink you are a catfish because
you're so naturally stunning.
Thank you.
So now it's time to get to knowyou with Zoyo, sponsored by
Zoya, your neighborhood yogurt.
Rapid fire questions.
Okay.
Best or worst pickup line you'veheard or you've used?
SPEAKER_03 (31:33):
Worst pickup line is oh, you're too hot to be gay.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
I'm like, that's okay.
Anything else?
You could have stopped at you'retoo hot.
That's it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:46):
Ugh.
Favorite body part on a partner.
Hands.
Hands.
What gives you the ick?
SPEAKER_03 (31:53):
See uh oh.
Unnecessary insecurities.
SPEAKER_00 (31:56):
Is watching porn considered cheating?
SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
Before you're intimate, is it appropriate to
ask your date how many peoplethey've been with?
Yes.
Is it acceptable to have sex ona first date?
SPEAKER_03 (32:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
Should you disclose mental health issues early on in
a relationship?
Please, yes.
And do you have a crazy talentor unique fact about yourself
that not many people know?
SPEAKER_03 (32:18):
I don't know if this is a unique fact, but I used to
dance for Alice Cooper.
You do! Oh that's right!
SPEAKER_00 (32:23):
So how on tour with him?
SPEAKER_03 (32:25):
Like in No, so I would dance with um what was it?
The the Rock Company.
So he has this place out here.
The school of rock.
Yeah, the school of rock.
And then if you dance there fora while and he feels that you
would be great at any of hisperformances like Christmas
Pudding, you can join his whatdo you call it?
(32:45):
Dance company?
There you go.
You can join his dance companyand you can perform at like
different business events.
I performed at Christmas Puddingthree years in a row.
What?
That's this close to JohnnyDepp.
What this close?
I can only look at him from adistance.
I'm jealous.
I love Johnny Depp.
Did a lot of fun things reallyfact.
SPEAKER_00 (33:05):
And last but not least, what is your favorite
sexual position and why?
SPEAKER_03 (33:09):
I don't know what it's called.
So I'll just try to describe it.
So when they're at the edge ofthe bed, and then sorry, Mike,
and then I sit on them and I'mlike bouncing and my feet are
towards the edge.
Does that make sense?
Towards them.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
Sitting.
Okay.
So you're facing each other.
Yeah on the edge of the bed.
But they're on the edge of thebed.
So I'm on top of them.
Okay.
Okay, so it's like couchcowgirl, except on the bed.
Exactly.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
That makes sense.
All right.
That makes sense.
Speaking of sexual positions.
Oh, yes.
You've got some fun goodies.
SPEAKER_00 (33:43):
Oh, yes.
I want to see.
Okay.
You never know what you're goingto get with Castle.
SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
What they sent you and what you thought about it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (33:58):
So we'll start with this Divine Nectar's Kissable
Passion Gel.
So I first started by smellingit and it smells so good.
It's so fruity.
And I took a little taste of itjust to see.
It's really like the it soundscrazy, but it's the best thing
(34:18):
I've ever tasted when it comesto Louvre.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh wow.
It doesn't taste like reallyartificial at all, if that makes
sense.
Like it tastes like an actualcandy.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
And that sucks if you don't have a partner that
you're you're like, oh man, Iwish I could use this to do
that.
SPEAKER_03 (34:36):
So I not that we asked, but I do have someone I
could try it with by just havingit.
And then the next one, the oilof love.
I didn't try it, but it doessmell really good.
It's very tropical.
SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
What is it?
What is that for to be used for?
SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
So it's for massages and body oil.
Says you can use it to like putit on someone, kiss it, lick it,
things like that.
And then we have oh, the easycuffs.
I try these on myself.
I did a little pull and Iabsolutely love it.
(35:12):
It doesn't hurt at all.
And it's like made out ofsilicone, and you don't have to
clip it, you just slide it on.
SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
Nice.
SPEAKER_03 (35:20):
So do you want me to take it out and show it a little
more?
unknown (35:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
If you were using them with a partner, would you
prefer to be the one gettingcuffed, or would you want to
cuff your partner?
SPEAKER_03 (35:32):
So I recently realized that maybe I am a
little more submissive than Iexpect.
I would want to be cuffed.
Okay.
Especially with these, becausehonestly, you just slide them
on.
SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
Oh wow, they go on easily.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (35:44):
And they don't come off easily.
So you have to like actuallymake an effort, but it doesn't
hurt.
It's very how cool.
SPEAKER_00 (35:51):
What a cool concept.
I've never seen those before.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:54):
And they're and they're small, they won't go off
in the metal detector.
You could travel with it.
They don't make that noise fromthe thing, like the jangling
noise.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:03):
If I had someone in Chicago, I would take it with
me.
SPEAKER_02 (36:05):
Uh-huh.
There you go.
SPEAKER_03 (36:07):
And then last was the Lay Tongue Collection,
powerful vibrating, lickingtongues.
SPEAKER_02 (36:14):
Whoa.
SPEAKER_03 (36:15):
How is that?
When I got this, I was like, oh,is it because I like women?
I mean, I know we all like it,but I loved it.
I didn't actually try it, but Idid feel the vibrations, and
it's just powerful enough to getyou there, but not too harsh,
which I feel I've had a lot ofproblems with toys being too
(36:36):
much in the past.
SPEAKER_02 (36:37):
But yeah, I love it.
It looks, it looks kind of likethe rose, Lynn.
I think it does.
SPEAKER_03 (36:42):
I was like, is that the rose, the famous rose that
everyone speaks about?
Yeah, I've never tried the rose,but I feel like this is probably
better because I've heard therose is overly intense.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
And I'm just like, I heard it can like blow you
across the rose.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (36:57):
In like five seconds.
Made you think you need to tryit, right?
It's like what?
A different dimension.
Like, let's do it.
But yeah, I love all of these.
So thank you, the castle.
So amazing.
Thank you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (37:14):
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meat market.
And thank you so much.
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Oh my god, I just totally gotcatfished.
SPEAKER_01 (37:35):
He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.
So I found out the guy that I'vebeen dating is married with
kids.
His wife just reached out to me.
Oh my god, I just totally got catfished.
He looks absolutely nothing likehis picture.
So I found out the guy that I'vebeen dating is married with
kids.
His wife just reached out to me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
Welcome to the meat market.
The single scene is aslaughterhouse, and we are here
to devour it.
We are your hosts.
I'm Lindsay.
I'm Jess.
And today's sizzling single isValerie.
Welcome.
Hi.
So we hear you have a toxic ex.
Tell us about that.
Ugh, yes.
SPEAKER_03 (00:29):
I won't say too many things, but I do have a toxic
ex.
It was a woman.
I was with her for four years.
And I should have seen it fromthe very beginning.
There were red flags everywhere.
She was very flirty with herfriends.
And anytime I would mention,like, hey, I think this friend
might like you, she would getupset at me and we would have
(00:52):
arguments.
But she was the first woman Iever dated, so I ignored a lot
of signs.
And she was very quick to Iguess uh turn it around on me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04):
I hate it when people do that.
Spin things to make themselvesthe victim.
SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
Exactly.
And she was really good at it.
Like, if I can give a crown tothe best manipulator in the
world, it would be her.
SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
Interesting.
What were some of the other redflags besides being super
flirty?
SPEAKER_03 (01:19):
Uh keeping a lot of secrets.
Oh, huge red flag.
Yeah.
And then getting caught in lies.
She was a huge liar.
Like I would catch her in smalllies.
Like she would say, Oh, I'mgoing to Chicago for a weekend.
And then it turns out shewasn't.
She was at home.
(01:39):
Yeah.
Was she a love bomber?
Oh, yeah.
Did she love bomb you?
She was the best at that aswell.
She took me on the best dates.
She said she loved me, I think,within two months.
And let's see, we traveled alot, like within the first year.
SPEAKER_00 (01:57):
People who love bomb, they're the worst.
Why is that?
They're the cheaters and they'rethe toxic.
SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
But so speaking of love, toxic love bombing.
So I was recently, why do I haveso many stories recently when
I'm at my waxer?
So I was recently getting a wax.
And so like a little backgroundinformation.
So my waxer had a baby.
So she was on maternity leave.
And then I was out of town forlike five weeks.
(02:26):
And so I hadn't seen her in along time, right?
And so she just because I hadn'tseen her, she's like, Are we
just doing the regular?
And I'm like, well, yeah, likewhat?
I mean, are people doing likedesigns or something down there?
Like, what?
Like, what do you mean?
And she's like, no, actually,she's like, last year on
Valentine's Day, a woman askedme to wax an initial into her
(02:52):
pubic hair.
Oh.
And I was like, oh my God.
I was like, did you do it?
And she said, yeah.
And I was like, that sounds likea toxic love bombing situation.
And I said, what was the letter?
And she goes, guess what letterit was?
And I guessed it on the firstguess.
Jay?
So I guess it was Jay! I guessit was on the first guess.
(03:13):
So I was gonna ask you, what'syour do you have a guess for a
toxic name?
So or a toxic letter.
SPEAKER_03 (03:20):
Well, if it's Jay, then I was did they tell you the
name?
SPEAKER_02 (03:24):
Yeah, she said it was Jay.
She didn't tell me the name, butshe said the letter that she
waxed in was a J.
SPEAKER_00 (03:31):
It's funny how people always say, never date a
guy that starts with a J.
Why?
Is it because there's so manynames with Jay?
Justin, Jake.
I don't know.
Why is Jay?
SPEAKER_02 (03:40):
Well, and maybe because it's common across
races, because there's likethere's Jose and all like Jay
names in in Latin.
SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
And then Jaden and Jalen and one of the worst guys
that I ever dated was a Jay.
SPEAKER_02 (03:59):
Me too.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (04:02):
Actually, no, I think really?
Yeah, I dated a Juan and I dateda what was his name?
Javion?
Javier, something like that.
And they were bad.
Yeah, very bad.
Very toxic.
SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
So you date men and women.
Do you have a preference betweenthe two?
SPEAKER_03 (04:19):
I do.
As of the last few years, Iprefer to date women, but I am
open to still dating men.
I'm just very picky.
unknown (04:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
What is the biggest difference between the two?
Would you say?
SPEAKER_03 (04:33):
I would say the biggest difference would have to
be the lack of toxicmasculinity.
So obviously women were a lotsofter, and there's not like a
competition of who can get thebill or who looks tough or who
can be the protector.
(04:53):
It's kind of like you're justbesties that are also attracted
to each other, if that makessense.
SPEAKER_02 (04:59):
So who in your preference, who does get the
bill when you go out with awoman?
Okay, typically not me.
SPEAKER_03 (05:08):
But I'm more open to it.
I feel like with men,unfortunately, I already have
the idea that they should, youknow, pay for things.
So I don't typically offer.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
So how do you meet women out here?
Are you on the dating apps?
SPEAKER_03 (05:23):
I am now.
Um, I am on bumble and hinge.
And so far it's going okay, it'snot going great.
Let me be honest.
It's not going great because Ifeel like you're just swiping
left and then on hinge, the onesthat reach out to me are saying
(05:44):
the craziest things.
And I kind of feel like I shouldtake a break from it.
SPEAKER_02 (05:49):
Isn't is Hinge the one where the man is supposed to
message first?
SPEAKER_03 (05:53):
Bumble.
SPEAKER_02 (05:54):
Oh, that's bumble.
Okay, I was gonna ask then howthat works if it's if it's two
women, if you're interested inwomen.
SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
That's a good question.
SPEAKER_02 (06:02):
So with two women, it's up to both of us.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
Okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:05):
Yeah.
Okay.
I still don't message first.
SPEAKER_00 (06:07):
So what's your type?
What do you like?
The feminine type?
What is it, the lipsticklesbians that they call them?
SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Yes.
So I would like to say as far asattraction, I'm open to all,
like more masculine or morefeminine.
But when it comes torelationship, I prefer what we
call a STEM.
SPEAKER_00 (06:26):
What is that?
SPEAKER_03 (06:27):
So it's like a stud and femme mixed together.
And so it's like the play onmasculine and feminine energy in
one person.
SPEAKER_00 (06:35):
Okay.
Yeah.
Is there like a place, like aclub that you can go to to meet
other women or like physicalplaces where you can meet them
in the wild?
SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
Yes.
There is.
So do you want me to say thenames of them?
There's Charlie's, which I don'tactually suggest going there
because everyone's very chaotic.
Really?
But it's a gay bar, so a lot ofgay men and then like gay women
and even straight people gothere.
SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
Yeah, I've been to Charlie's many times.
I like Charlie's.
I like the taco shop.
I like the taco shop that'sattached to it.
No, right?
SPEAKER_03 (07:10):
Taco tacos.
Everyone always says that.
Like if you go there, you gothere for the tacos and the
quesadillas.
Yep.
But people don't know you canalso go there for the burgers.
It sounds crazy, but if you waitan hour, you'll get the best
burger you've ever had.
SPEAKER_02 (07:26):
Are they still cash only, the taco place?
No.
Because I remember years ago, myfriend and I were going and we
were literally tearing his carapart trying to find change
because neither one of us hadany cash and we won.
I was so mad.
It was so funny.
Did you ever find some?
Oh yeah, we found some.
SPEAKER_03 (07:46):
You found enough change for the tacos.
SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
Like offering services to people that's funny
because I was with my gayfriend, so I would have offered
his services for nine dollarsthis way.
SPEAKER_03 (08:02):
I love that.
That is very gay coded too.
Yes.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:07):
So there used to be, there used to be a bar, cash.
Was it called Cash in?
Does that still is that still aplace here?
Oh, I wasn't more about theClassbian bar.
I think it was more women thanit was men in terms of a gay
bar.
But I don't know what I'msaying.
I think I've been there.
SPEAKER_00 (08:23):
I don't I haven't been there for years and years
and years, but I do rememberthat place.
SPEAKER_03 (08:27):
Okay.
I think I might know what youguys are referring to.
It might be this bar that's nextto Karumbas.
I don't know if you've heard ofKarumbas.
It's Phoenix.
SPEAKER_00 (08:37):
Phoenix?
Okay.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:39):
McDowell.
I feel like Cash was onMcDowell.
Maybe.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
I don't know.
I don't know.
I feel like I don't know.
I feel like you probably havebetter luck just going to any
old place.
Yeah.
Right?
Than going to a specific gaybar.
SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Have you ever if if you see a woman that you're
attracted to, do you make thefirst move?
SPEAKER_03 (08:57):
Okay, so oftentimes I do make the first move, but
I'm a flirt.
So what is your line?
Compliment them.
So go up and tell them, oh mygosh, I love your outfit, or
you're so beautiful, or like,I've been seeing you around.
You know, the typical things.
And that just gets them to payattention.
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And then you see how they lookat you, like if they're
interested, if they're actuallygay, and you go from there.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
And how do you feel about like polyamorous
relationships?
Would you be open to that?
SPEAKER_03 (09:29):
It's also very popular in the community.
Is it really?
Yeah, but I'm not more of a polygirl.
I feel like I would say I'meither monogamous or open.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
So for me, I like all the attention.
But we can possibly exploresomeone together, or I don't
care if my partner's likeflirting with someone as long as
I'm aware.
SPEAKER_00 (09:52):
So you're okay for like a one-night thing, but not
for like of an entirerelationship.
You're not comfortable.
SPEAKER_03 (09:58):
Yeah.
Unless it's like we see thisfriend every few months and hook
up with them, then I can becomfortable with that.
But again, I have to be the mainperson that you think about.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
If you're attracted to a man and you're you're out
in public attracted to a man,are you gonna go up to the man
as well like you would with awoman, or do you prefer to take
the more traditional let the mancome to you role?
SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
That's a good question.
I feel like I would prefer totake the more traditional role,
but there have been times whereI go up to a man, I'm just like,
you look really good.
And I've realized that some menthat I'm attracted to aren't the
type to go up to a woman becausethey don't want to offend
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anyone.
So if I do want to like startdating a man and I see them in
public, I know that I'llprobably have to go up to them.
SPEAKER_02 (10:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
What are you looking for?
Are you looking to get married?
Do you want children?
Do you want something serious?
SPEAKER_03 (10:58):
So right now I I'm mostly focused on having fun,
but also getting to know someonethat I can eventually be in a
serious relationship with.
And I do want to get married,I'm just not sure when.
In my head, I have to make surethat I'm completely financially
stable.
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You know, I've done a lot oftraveling, I've lived my best
life, then I can considermarriage and possibly kids.
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
You're still young.
How old are you?
I'm 28.
Okay, so you're still young.
You have plenty of time.
unknown (11:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:32):
When you see yourself as a wife, do you see
yourself as a wife to a woman orto a wife as a man?
SPEAKER_03 (11:38):
Right now to a woman.
SPEAKER_02 (11:39):
To a woman.
SPEAKER_03 (11:40):
Yeah.
So when I was younger, really upuntil four years ago, I can
imagine myself married to a man.
But then once I started datingwomen, because that's when I
came out, I realized that itmight be more of my speed to
marry a woman.
But again, we'll see in like 10years.
I'll give myself ten years.
SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
Do you date older?
What is your age range?
SPEAKER_03 (12:03):
Older.
I would say two years to tenyears older than me.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
Okay.
Um describe your typephysically.
SPEAKER_03 (12:12):
For both men and women.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
For women.
SPEAKER_03 (12:14):
Women.
Okay, so I would say if we'retalking about height, 5'5 to
5'10.
I don't like someone who's likeway taller than me.
I feel like my neck is gonnahurt if I'm looking up all the
time.
And then build it's a tossbetween like curvy or athletic.
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Like I could appreciate both,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
And what about men?
SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
Men?
Okay.
So I know I just said that neckthing, they can't be much
taller, but I feel like withmen, I would say 5'9 to 6'2 and
definitely athletic build.
I like a basketball way,basketball player type build.
Like I am open to other things,especially if we connect on
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other levels, but yeah,basketball player.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
What are your deal breakers?
Liars.
SPEAKER_03 (13:10):
That's a bill big deal breaker for me because I
was lied to a lot in my previousrelationship.
And I'm a very honest person.
You ask me a question, I'll justtell you like no restraints.
So if you lie to me, we're notgoing to get along.
And disrespectful people.
Like if you can disrespect yourparents, that's a huge red eye.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
I hate that.
Right.
I've I've broken up with guysbecause I've seen how they treat
their parents, and it's it'shard to watch.
It's heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
So I broke up with a guy once because he was
complaining about taking his momto church on Easter Sunday, and
like church was so early.
And I was like, it's EasterSunday, and your mother wants
her son to take her to church.
SPEAKER_03 (13:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:52):
Why like I get it if you don't want to go, cool,
that's fine, but keep that toyourself.
You don't need to sit here andcomplain to me about it for 10
minutes, you know.
Wow.
So he didn't like his mom atall.
I mean, I mean, I he didn't liketaking her to church on Easter.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
And it kind of I feel like it's an indicator of
how he's gonna treat you in arelationship.
Is he gonna not want to take yousomewhere?
SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
That's how that's how I saw it.
It was like I didn't see it aslike I don't think he disliked
his mom or had a badrelationship with her.
Because I think he was closewith his mom, but just hearing
him complain about having to getup early and take her to church,
it was like, is this how youtalk to your friends about
taking me out?
Right.
Yeah, it's so true.
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That was more what it was aboutfor me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:38):
Have you ever walked out mid-date?
No, I actually haven't.
Have you had a crazy bad firstdate that you wanted to walk
out?
SPEAKER_03 (14:46):
I would say no, not crazy bad.
I have had a couple of datesthat I was a little
uncomfortable, but I'm overlypolite.
So, like, even if you're makingme slightly uncomfortable, as
long as the conversation isn'tterrible, I'll just sit through
it until I find an excuse toleave.
SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:07):
So there was one date, and he took me to bikini
barista coffee shop.
And I did?
Yeah.
Is that kind of weird?
They wear bikinis, right?
Oh yeah, that's exactly what itwas.
Uh-huh.
So it was weird.
That was our first date.
We were previously just textingfor a few weeks, and I just went
because I was like, you know, doit for the plot.
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And we get there, and he wasobviously looking at the barisas
and like checking them out.
And I was just like, okay,that's kind of weird.
That's just as bad as going to astore club here.
SPEAKER_02 (15:44):
Because I've gone to I've been to Bikini Beans many
times.
It's the one actually the onethat I've been to is like it's a
drive-thru situation.
It's kind of like a Dutch Bros.
Yeah.
But it's so it's it's notconducive to sitting down at a
table and having a nice,relaxing coffee, like if you go
to like the Henry for coffee, orif you go somewhere that's or
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somewhere like Lux, where it'slike it's a cafe where you can
sit at a table and have a coffeeand a nice cup.
You know what I mean?
It's like a drive-thru.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
I wonder if he was trying to be funny and wanted to
see a reaction.
SPEAKER_03 (16:19):
Like, I don't think so.
I think he like actually thoughtabout this and chose this place
for the first date.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
Because he had a great time.
At the end, at the end, he waslike, Oh my gosh, I want you to
come to this party to meet myfriends that same day.
And I was like, No, I'm superbusy with family stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (16:44):
It gives like frat, bro.
Yeah.
It's kind of like, let's go tobikini bean coffee and then go
to a party.
Yeah, exactly.
That party.
SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
Very young and immature.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So have you been cheated on?
You said you had, right?
Yes.
How did you find out?
SPEAKER_03 (17:02):
So I found out because I waited to find out her
phone code.
So she would never give me herphone code.
That's red flag right there.
Yeah, another red flag.
It's I was aware, I don't knowwhy I ignored it, but she would
never give me her phone code.
And then one weekend rightbefore her birthday, we're all
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really drunk, and my friend wastrying to change some music on
her phone, and she was like, Oh,I can't get in.
What's your code?
And she told her the code, and Ioverheard it, and I just kept
that in my head.
SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
I was just gonna ask, like, how do you add do you
guys at like do you ask?
What's your phone code?
Or ooh, because like I feelawkward.
It is asking someone.
Like, I feel like it's kind ofpersonal.
So, how do you ask someoneyou're dating?
SPEAKER_00 (17:52):
Like that, like, hey, I want to put some music
on, what's your phone code?
And if they get all weird aboutit and don't want to tell you, I
feel like that's a red flag.
SPEAKER_03 (17:59):
Actually, yeah, that's a great idea.
SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
So, okay, so you put some, so you heard the code.
SPEAKER_03 (18:04):
So I heard the code, and then I waited until she went
to sleep later.
And I just grabbed her phone,which she always used to sleep
with her phone under her pillow.
Yeah, another red flag for sure.
But I waited until she was likecompletely knocked out.
I grab her phone, go to theother room, unlock it, and man,
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the text messages from so manydifferent women.
SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
There was a reason she was hiding her phone under
her pillow.
SPEAKER_03 (18:35):
Yeah, she was getting nudes and everything.
She was sweet talking, thesewomen.
She is a charmer.
Wow.
Like that's another clash.
SPEAKER_00 (18:42):
How did you approach her about this?
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
I actually didn't.
I put her phone back under herpillow and I disappeared for two
weeks.
Not a healthy way to do it, butI didn't know how to address
that because it was a lot.
And it was even like people thatshe introduced me to.
That's her friend.
SPEAKER_02 (19:02):
That's messed up.
SPEAKER_03 (19:03):
So yeah, I had to disappear.
I was at my friends.
I went back to my place and shewas looking for me and messaging
me on social media.
SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
I know that she's probably the type of person who
would have then in turn got madat you for invading her privacy
and going through the phone.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
How dare you go through my phone?
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (19:21):
Yeah.
Gaslighter.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
So did you end it?
Like, did you finally tell herwhat you saw?
SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
I did.
So after the couple weeks, Iresponded to one of her messages
and let her know what was goingon and that we were over.
And she did ask to see me a weeklater and explain everything,
and I let her.
We became friends for six monthsand then started dating again.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
And how did it work out the second time?
SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
She didn't cheat as far as I knew, but very
disrespectful.
And then I caught her in a lot.
Of really stupid lies, so I cannever recover from like not
trusting her.
SPEAKER_02 (20:05):
But did she give you her phone code the second time
around?
Yes, I'd access all of herphone.
Of course.
And I'm sure she cleaned it allup very nicely.
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (20:14):
And then even her work phone, she had an Android
to where you would have to use afingerprint.
And she put my fingerprint asone of them.
So I was able to access itwhenever.
So that was nice.
But I also caught something inher work phone at some point.
But not cheating.
She was just talking to one ofthe girls.
She cheated on me previouslyabout being in the hospital.
SPEAKER_02 (20:38):
So I feel like sometimes when you catch a
partner doing something and youconfront them about it, work
through it, and then give themanother chance, it it just gives
them ways to hide it better thenext time.
You know what I mean?
Like if they haven't actuallychanged or if they haven't
actually done better or doingbetter, I feel like it just
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gives them it just basicallyteaches them, it teaches them
how to hide it better from youfor the next time.
SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
Sometimes they think, oh, I did it once, I got
away with it, she forgave me.
So then they think they can doit again, especially if they're
more sneaky about it.
Yeah.
Yes.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (21:17):
And that's what was in the back of my mind the whole
time.
The rest of our relationship,I'm just like, she's highly
intelligent.
She was an engineer.
So I'm like, she is definitelycapable of realizing her
mistakes and you know, hiding itbetter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
Yeah.
We were talking about that inanother episode about dating
women, women dating women, andhow women tend to be a little
bit more maybe like sneaky andmanipulative.
They're smarter when how they dothings.
Yeah, manipulative and they plotprobably.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
Like, don't they say women cheat more than men, but
they're just smarter about it,so they don't get caught as
much.
I've heard that.
SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
Yeah, and I know that is for sure, though.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
Are you ready for it?
SPEAKER_02 (21:59):
I'm ready for it.
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So we have a question today.
SPEAKER_03 (22:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:10):
Um, so this one says my partner's mom still books all
of his doctor's appointments.
I feel like this is a dealbreaker.
He says it's just beingefficient.
SPEAKER_00 (22:25):
Wait, his mom still books his appointment?
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
His mom books his doctor's appointment, but she
doesn't say how old they are.
I think that's a red flag.
But I think it doesn't matterhow old you are.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
If you're an adult and you can't book your own
doctor's appointments, what elsecan't you do?
She's still doing his laundry.
It makes you question, right?
Yeah.
She's still cooking him mealsand like prepping them for him
and you know probably.
I don't know.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
Yeah, that would be a not necessarily a deal breaker
for me, but it would be aconversation that would need to
be had.
Like, I think it's time to takeyour health care into your own
hands.
SPEAKER_00 (22:59):
I mean, if it's an assistant, you know, at work or
something, or my secretary, butmy mom, I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It would make me question a lotof things.
SPEAKER_03 (23:08):
It would.
It's a little too sounds alittle too codependent.
Yeah, exactly.
And like they might put theirmom over you, and then also they
might need you to mother them.
Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Hell nice.
Good point.
So now we're gonna talk aboutthe new dating trend.
Have you heard of this?
I know you have.
It's based on the Dom SubFetish.
It's a pay pig, aka a financialsub or fin sub, and a finum, a
financial Dom.
Have you heard of this?
I have, yes.
So a pay pig or fin sub is aperson who gets sexual or
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psychological gratification fromgiving money and gifts to
another person known as afindum, financial dominatrix.
This arrangement is a form offinancial domination, a
fetist-based relationship thattypically occurs online.
So key characteristics it's adom-sub dynamic.
The relationship follows a domsub power structure where the
pay pig is a submissive one whoserves the dominant partner
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financially.
So you don't you know someonethat does this or has done it?
No.
No?
Uh-uh.
So motivation, the pay pig findssatisfaction in being
financially exploited.
The thrill often comes frombeing controlled and verbally
degraded by the dominant partnerrather than from a traditional
quid pro quo exchange.
Like I've seen TikToks wherethey address their PayPig and
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they're like, you owe me thisand you owe me that, and here
are the receipts.
Pay up, you loser, pay up, youscumbag, pay me at this link,
and then that's what I've seenTikToks too.
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
You're like, you know what it is.
Don't you have a friend thatlike, no, I've seen TikTok video
of Cindy.
She's like, you're one friend.
unknown (24:39):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (24:40):
So it's not online.
It's a digital environment, sothey don't even meet in person.
So it's like, what a goodsituation for the one who's
receiving the money and gets tospend and abuse his account.
Like these submissives want youto just abuse their bank account
and spend the money and likethrow it in their face.
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
What a great situation to be in.
I know.
Like, how where do I sign up?
SPEAKER_03 (25:06):
Literally.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
What can I apply?
SPEAKER_03 (25:09):
The first time I ever heard of that, I was like,
I would be great at that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
Like they don't even have to have sex, they don't
even have to meet the person.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Do they have to see them?
Like, does the does the sub haveto be attracted to the person?
SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
Because it's all via video, yeah.
Okay.
So level of control.
The level of control can vary.
Some pay pigs send small regularpayments, while others grant the
dominant figure complete controlover their finances.
The dynamic can be a simple formof financial gifting or a
complex arrangement that fundsthe dominant's entire lifestyle.
It's crazy.
Some people in the findem scenedescribe a feeling of sexual
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compulsivity akin to gambling,where the thrill of giving money
provides a dopamine rush.
SPEAKER_02 (25:52):
I think if okay.
If I met someone and they toldme that that's what they were
into, I don't think I could datesomeone that was into that kind
of that had that fetish.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like they're giving their moneyaway.
So financially irresponsible.
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What a waste of money.
SPEAKER_03 (26:16):
Literally for no reason.
They're not getting anythingback except for being degraded.
SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
That's what I'm saying.
There's no reason.
Like you're literally justthrowing your money to this
person.
Yeah.
It seems so irresponsible.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
So irresponsible.
I mean, unless you're like amulti-billionaire like Elon
Musk, who's gonna be the firsttrillionaire.
Yeah.
He has probably so much money hecan do that.
But other than that, like, whata waste of money.
SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
Yeah, very true.
And it's like, why isn't itgoing towards me?
Like, why would I date you ifyou're not throwing your money
towards me?
It's some stranger on theinternet.
I know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
And I know everybody has their hobbies and their
things that they spend money on.
Yeah.
But typically it's in ex likeyou said, it's in exchange for
something else, right?
So it's like on clothes or evenon sex.
Like at least, you know, gettingoff.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
Even gambling, you're gambling, but you there's
a chance you could win a bunchback.
So I can see that, you know, theappeal to that.
But really, what are you gettingback from from this?
Just someone yelling at you andliterally.
SPEAKER_02 (27:13):
But they get aroused, I guess.
They get themselves on.
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
Different horses, different feelings.
SPEAKER_02 (27:17):
I feel like there's a lot, there's like cheaper ways
to masturbate.
Obviously.
It definitely is.
SPEAKER_03 (27:22):
And I mean, they can be degraded for free.
Just irritate a woman out in thebar.
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
Walk up somebody, walk up to some woman pumping
her gas and ask her about herday.
Like she will be irritated withyou.
It could be so simple.
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
Where is your favorite place to go on a first
date?
SPEAKER_03 (27:41):
So I wouldn't say I have a favorite place.
I actually like to do activitieson the first date.
Um, that would include maybe agood hike or going to an event.
So I yeah, I can't even have ananswer for you.
Yeah.
And I typically don't plan thefirst date.
I let the other person plan it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:00):
Do you like to be the sub in the relationship?
Do you like your partner to takecontrol to plan things to be
take control in the bedroom?
SPEAKER_03 (28:08):
Yes and no.
I like to call myself a switch.
So I can do whatever the otherpartner doesn't feel like doing.
So if they feel like not beingas dominant, I can be dominant.
But 70, 60 to 70% of the time, Ido prefer for them to plan more
things and take more control ifthey're comfortable with it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Now it's time for the celebrity cut where we
marinate in the juices of thecelebrities.
Did you guys see that KathyGriffin?
You know Kathy Griffin, right?
She is on four dating apps.
She's on like all the datingapps and is like having a hard
time finding someone.
SPEAKER_02 (28:42):
She's having a hard time.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
So she was married, and I guess they got divorced
because she was saying how hecompletely changed.
When she met him, he wasoutgoing and social and fun and
vivacious, and he just turnedinto this homebody that kind of
never wanted to leave the houseand turned very antisocial.
And she's like, that's not me.
So now she got divorced and nowshe's out trying to find love
again.
And I guess she's on four datingup.
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But can you imagine you'rescrolling and you see how
intimidating?
SPEAKER_02 (29:08):
Well, you would think it was a fake account.
You would.
Like you wouldn't, you'd haveto.
What would you say or ask to getit to be like, prove to me that
you're the real Kathy Griffin?
SPEAKER_00 (29:21):
Take a picture holding a banana with like a
finger on me.
SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
And then post on your story that you didn't, so
pretty sure.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
It is true, because I bet there aren't so many fake
accounts, you know?
Unless do do I'm sure Raya does,but do some dating apps have
like the verified sign?
They do.
SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
I know Bumble has it.
Okay.
I think Hinge has it as well.
SPEAKER_02 (29:42):
But I've seen, so in that are we dating the same guy
group?
They've posted, I've seen acouple posts there where it's
scammers.
Um so basically what they do isthey set up their dating profile
and they take a picture ofthemselves to get verified.
And then they delete the pictureof themselves and put on
(30:04):
pictures of someone else tocatfish.
SPEAKER_03 (30:07):
I don't know, you can do that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
But the thing is, is so the reason why a couple guys
have been posted in this groupis because they forgot to delete
the actual photo of themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Dumb on the idiot.
SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
Yes, yeah.
So they'll have like three orfour photos of the person that
they're catfishing, like theperson that they're using.
And then it's like this randomselfie from like the bottom up
of a completely differentperson.
Like completely differentperson.
Oh, I love that.
So they so much.
So even though it's verified,there's still ways to tell me
(30:43):
you're a catfish about tellingme you're a catfish.
Like, did they even really try?
There's right, exactly.
But there's ways to get aroundthe verified thing.
So you could totally becatfishing as a celebrity if you
want to.
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
Honestly, I just I forgot that people catfish.
No, I've been called a catfishbefore.
Like they thought I was acatfish, like over text, and
they said it's because I used toput like my Instagram photos on
there, and they're like moreprofessional looking.
I guess you're not supposed todo that.
SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
I don't know.
You are very beautiful though.
Like I can see how people wouldthink you are a catfish because
you're so naturally stunning.
Thank you.
So now it's time to get to knowyou with Zoyo, sponsored by
Zoya, your neighborhood yogurt.
Rapid fire questions.
Okay.
Best or worst pickup line you'veheard or you've used?
SPEAKER_03 (31:33):
Worst pickup line is oh, you're too hot to be gay.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
I'm like, that's okay.
Anything else?
You could have stopped at you'retoo hot.
That's it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:46):
Ugh.
Favorite body part on a partner.
Hands.
Hands.
What gives you the ick?
SPEAKER_03 (31:53):
See uh oh.
Unnecessary insecurities.
SPEAKER_00 (31:56):
Is watching porn considered cheating?
SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
Before you're intimate, is it appropriate to
ask your date how many peoplethey've been with?
Yes.
Is it acceptable to have sex ona first date?
SPEAKER_03 (32:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
Should you disclose mental health issues early on in
a relationship?
Please, yes.
And do you have a crazy talentor unique fact about yourself
that not many people know?
SPEAKER_03 (32:18):
I don't know if this is a unique fact, but I used to
dance for Alice Cooper.
You do! Oh that's right!
SPEAKER_00 (32:23):
So how on tour with him?
SPEAKER_03 (32:25):
Like in No, so I would dance with um what was it?
The the Rock Company.
So he has this place out here.
The school of rock.
Yeah, the school of rock.
And then if you dance there fora while and he feels that you
would be great at any of hisperformances like Christmas
Pudding, you can join his whatdo you call it?
(32:45):
Dance company?
There you go.
You can join his dance companyand you can perform at like
different business events.
I performed at Christmas Puddingthree years in a row.
What?
That's this close to JohnnyDepp.
What this close?
I can only look at him from adistance.
I'm jealous.
I love Johnny Depp.
Did a lot of fun things reallyfact.
SPEAKER_00 (33:05):
And last but not least, what is your favorite
sexual position and why?
SPEAKER_03 (33:09):
I don't know what it's called.
So I'll just try to describe it.
So when they're at the edge ofthe bed, and then sorry, Mike,
and then I sit on them and I'mlike bouncing and my feet are
towards the edge.
Does that make sense?
Towards them.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
Sitting.
Okay.
So you're facing each other.
Yeah on the edge of the bed.
But they're on the edge of thebed.
So I'm on top of them.
Okay.
Okay, so it's like couchcowgirl, except on the bed.
Exactly.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
That makes sense.
All right.
That makes sense.
Speaking of sexual positions.
Oh, yes.
You've got some fun goodies.
SPEAKER_00 (33:43):
Oh, yes.
I want to see.
Okay.
You never know what you're goingto get with Castle.
SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
What they sent you and what you thought about it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (33:58):
So we'll start with this Divine Nectar's Kissable
Passion Gel.
So I first started by smellingit and it smells so good.
It's so fruity.
And I took a little taste of itjust to see.
It's really like the it soundscrazy, but it's the best thing
(34:18):
I've ever tasted when it comesto Louvre.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh wow.
It doesn't taste like reallyartificial at all, if that makes
sense.
Like it tastes like an actualcandy.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
And that sucks if you don't have a partner that
you're you're like, oh man, Iwish I could use this to do
that.
SPEAKER_03 (34:36):
So I not that we asked, but I do have someone I
could try it with by just havingit.
And then the next one, the oilof love.
I didn't try it, but it doessmell really good.
It's very tropical.
SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
What is it?
What is that for to be used for?
SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
So it's for massages and body oil.
Says you can use it to like putit on someone, kiss it, lick it,
things like that.
And then we have oh, the easycuffs.
I try these on myself.
I did a little pull and Iabsolutely love it.
(35:12):
It doesn't hurt at all.
And it's like made out ofsilicone, and you don't have to
clip it, you just slide it on.
SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
Nice.
SPEAKER_03 (35:20):
So do you want me to take it out and show it a little
more?
unknown (35:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
If you were using them with a partner, would you
prefer to be the one gettingcuffed, or would you want to
cuff your partner?
SPEAKER_03 (35:32):
So I recently realized that maybe I am a
little more submissive than Iexpect.
I would want to be cuffed.
Okay.
Especially with these, becausehonestly, you just slide them
on.
SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
Oh wow, they go on easily.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (35:44):
And they don't come off easily.
So you have to like actuallymake an effort, but it doesn't
hurt.
It's very how cool.
SPEAKER_00 (35:51):
What a cool concept.
I've never seen those before.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:54):
And they're and they're small, they won't go off
in the metal detector.
You could travel with it.
They don't make that noise fromthe thing, like the jangling
noise.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:03):
If I had someone in Chicago, I would take it with
me.
SPEAKER_02 (36:05):
Uh-huh.
There you go.
SPEAKER_03 (36:07):
And then last was the Lay Tongue Collection,
powerful vibrating, lickingtongues.
SPEAKER_02 (36:14):
Whoa.
SPEAKER_03 (36:15):
How is that?
When I got this, I was like, oh,is it because I like women?
I mean, I know we all like it,but I loved it.
I didn't actually try it, but Idid feel the vibrations, and
it's just powerful enough to getyou there, but not too harsh,
which I feel I've had a lot ofproblems with toys being too
(36:36):
much in the past.
SPEAKER_02 (36:37):
But yeah, I love it.
It looks, it looks kind of likethe rose, Lynn.
I think it does.
SPEAKER_03 (36:42):
I was like, is that the rose, the famous rose that
everyone speaks about?
Yeah, I've never tried the rose,but I feel like this is probably
better because I've heard therose is overly intense.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
And I'm just like, I heard it can like blow you
across the rose.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (36:57):
In like five seconds.
Made you think you need to tryit, right?
It's like what?
A different dimension.
Like, let's do it.
But yeah, I love all of these.
So thank you, the castle.
So amazing.
Thank you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (37:14):
Thank you so much for joining us this week at the
meat market.
And thank you so much.
If you want to go on a date withValerie, send us a DM to any of
our social media platforms atMeat Market Podcast.
And thank you to our sponsor,Tactical Tax Strategies.
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We'll see you next week at theMeat Market.
Oh my god, I just totally gotcatfished.
SPEAKER_01 (37:35):
He looks absolutely nothing like his picture.
So I found out the guy that I'vebeen dating is married with
kids.
His wife just reached out to me.
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