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October 22, 2025 32 mins
Most of us were taught to color inside the lines, follow the rules, and get a gold star for staying tidy. Cas Holman has spent her career blowing that up — and thank god. She designs tools, not toys, to spark creativity, collaboration, and imagination. (If you’ve watched Abstract: The Art of Design on Netflix, yep, she’s the genius behind the episode that made you want to ditch your to-do list and build something weird and wonderful instead.) In this episode, we dive into what happens when we stop obsessing over “right answers” and start embracing curiosity, creativity, and — yes — play. Cas challenges the way we think about learning, design, and work itself. Because what if the secret to solving our biggest grown-up problems is to think a little more like kids? We explore: Why play isn’t just for children (and why adults need it desperately) The danger of over-engineering creativity out of education and work How designing for possibility creates stronger leaders, teams, and ideas What Cas learned from creating Rigamajig, and why it’s so damn powerful Why fun and freedom are the real productivity hacks Because when we make more space for play, we make more space for brilliance. Thank you to our sponsors! Get 20% off your first order at curehydration.com/WOMANSWORK with code WOMANSWORK — and if you get a post-purchase survey, mention you heard about Cure here to help support the show! Connect with Cas: Website: https://casholman.com/ Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/736596/playful-by-cas-holman-with-lydia-denworth/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/casholman/Rigamajig LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cas-holman-7b9baa5/ Abstract: The Art of Design (Season 2, Episode 4, The Art of Play): https://www.netflix.com/title/80057883 Related Podcast Episodes: Crafting A Better World with Diana Weymar | 245 Burnout 2.0: BurnBOLD with Cait Donovan | 331 The Power of Conscious Connection with Talia Fox | 263 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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