October 8, 2025 • 25 mins
The president is attempting to send the National Guard into two American cities for two (seemingly) different reasons with two (for now) different results.
This episode was produced by Denise Guerra and Danielle Hewitt, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Kelli Wessinger, engineered by Patrick Boyd and Adriene Lilly, and hosted by Noel King.
Anti-ICE demonstrators marching in downtown Chicago. Photo by Jacek Boczarski/Anadolu via Getty Images.
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