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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Summers arrived in Italy and it's time for warm turquoise waters,
spectacular cly faces and glistening sand. Sound dreaming. Today, we're
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Italian Jao one John know everyone here. We are already
in June. I'm not quite sure how that happened, but
it's here, and that means people hit the beach in Italy. Now,
when most of us think of Italian beaches, we often
picture the Amalfi Coast or the Chinquatre. But if you're
after sunkissed shaws with fewer tourists, clear calm waters and
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that laid back southern Italian charm. Pulia is where the
magic happens. In this episode, we're taking you from the
sandy stretches of the Ionian coast to the dramatic cliffs
of the Agioti. We'll share where to go for a
proper beach day, which spots are worth the detour, and
where to base yourself for the ultimate Italian beach side escape.
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My guest, Nikki Taylor, is a fellow Ozzie and Italian
property expert who has made Pulia her home. She's done
all the hard shall we say, work, and scoured the
Pulizer coast for the best stretches of sand. So relax
and get ready to discover the wonderful beaches of pull
Ya Andamom.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Ben Tonat and Nikki, welcome back to the Untoldgedarly podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you so much for having me back. It's always
such great thumb chatting with you and you know, sharing
some tidbits on Italy. And we're going to be talking
to about Pullia beaches, I believe, so that's something I
know a lot about given that I do live here.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So yeah, exactly, beautiful Pulia. How's summer shaping up there?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, it's absolutely roasting. So but Poulio goes from like
we don't even have a spring anymore. It goes from
like winter to scorching, so you kind of you don't
get a chance to kind of, you know, adjust. And
of course the Italians are still out in their Parker
jackets and you know, the scarves and all that, because
you know, they have them surgically removed at the end
of July and then as soon as first of September comes,
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you know, officially autumn, they've got the parkers on again.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
They're really funny out there, aren't they. It's like I
am melting, I'm melting, and you've got poffer on. So
you know, as you said, Pullia is one of Italy's
favorite beach destinations. But before we find out where to
go from, you a local, can you give everyone a
quick recap on who you are, what you do, and
why an aussy girl is living the life in gorgeous Pullia.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, I have been living in Pullia since twenty seventeen.
I've been in Italy for nearly eleven years now. My
background was financial planning and banking. Kind of hit a
wall with corporate burnout and decided to pack up and
move to Italy started working in real estate immediately because
the company that I was working for need is someone
that spoke English, and luckily that that's all they needed
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before because I have to speak any Italian in that state.
And then during after but a few years working in
the real estate Holidavnals Industries, I set up my own
consulting business and created the very first course in the
country and the industry on guiding foreigners how to buy
real estate, and then creating the very first digital property
magazine called Adult Did Lifestyle magazine, and being fortunate enough
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to be featured on house Hunter's International a few times
and various other publications. So life is pretty good. I mean,
I live in Martina Franca, got a beautiful olive grow
view of a loondo and I must say I don't
miss the corporate world one iota.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
She's very tanned, she's very blonde, she's very Australian, and
she's living her best life. Now. The thing is, Nikki
just skipped over this and she has been on house
Hunter's International twice. And if you're one of those people
that love this show and like our whole family does
my kids love it. You need to go and have
a look, and she does a great job of guiding
some people. I think it's in Marotaya and Sicily, Actually,
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isn't it, Basilicata and Terrasini in Sicily.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And I'll tell you what, anyone that's thinking about buying
a property in Sicily, look at Terrasini because that town
has gone gangbusters after house hunters and the rental income
on these proper. The people are buying holiday at homes
and renting them out. They're getting a really really good return.
So yeah, there's a.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
For you, ah good one. It's just right near Palermo
as well, isn't it. It's right near Palermo.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's very close to the airport, close to Mondela, close
to Cassella Mana del Golfer. So it's a really strategic spot.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Absolutely stunning, Okay, amazing, But I think everyone is kind
of enamored of Pulia at the moment. We had a
two hundred and twenty eight percent increase in foreign tourism just.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
In last year.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I believe it.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I mean, that is just insanity.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I think you can kind of tell as well,
because it's still a pretty immature tourism market, which is
part of the charm actually, But I mean I guess
one of the main reasons that people come is for
those world renowned beaches. Maybe they're mainly European renowned, like
the Europeans really know about Julia beaches and the Italians.
But as an Aussie, we know about beaches, don't we.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So I must say as an Aussie swimming in the
sea in the ocean, I don't even know what it
is anymore. In Australia here was worrying about the sharks.
Here relax you know that you know you're not going
to get killed, and it's a very relaxing experience being
by the beach here. And I saw something yesterday on
social media that Paulia has been now voted for the
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fifth year in a row having the cleanest beaches in
the whole of Italy. So if that's not a motivation
to check it out, I don't know what is.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, So maybe we can set the scene for
everyone because people don't really know Pulia very well. And
the coastline it's quite unique because there is a lot
of coastline and it's a bit different from area to area,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, So we have two coastlines. We have the Adriatic Sign.
So if you think about your Polgnano Mare monopoly going
all the way down to you know, past letcha, that's
the Adriatic Coast and the Adratic Coast there's more rocks
and you know, there's lots of like little rocky cliffs
and little Grafta and it's really really, really beautiful. And
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I'm going to go in a minute with some of
my favorite spots there. But then we have the Ione inside,
which is my personal favorite. They call it the Italian
Mold Dives. It's the softest, softest sand and the clearest water.
It's like so blue and so turquoise, and then it's
so warm, it's like being in a warm bar and
you just walk out for miles and it's still up
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to your waist. It is absolutely stunning, and so people
who are going to Pullia with small children, it's absolutely
ideal because the kids can you run around in the
sea and you know they're not going to be you know,
you go in Australia, you do two steps and all
of a sudden, it's like deep as anything. Walking out,
you're like on a giant sand bar. The whole time
it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean there must be like miles and miles
of coastline there because it just goes on. It's so
Pullia for everyone that doesn't know, is in the heel
of the boot, so like literally the coast goes all
around the heel of the boot in pool. Yea, it
doesn't look and maybe to help people out, what's it
like compared to the Maufi Coast as an example.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Less traffic for a start, The water is much warmer.
The water is so so warm. I mean, don't get
me wrong. A Maufi Coast is absolutely fantastic, definitely a
must visit place. I would sail one off place to
visit because it is just so crazy. But Paulia is
just the sea is just so different. So I'm going
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to start with the Adriatic side and share some little
hot spots and some gorgeous towns that I absolutely love
down there. I mean, I started my journey in Paulia
in Monopoly, and Monopoly in the town has its own
little Parla Karla Potoveki it's called and it's like a
little inlet. And I tell you what, in August, it's
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an absolute fight to get a piece of satist to
put your tail down. And I have aged now forty
six years old. I don't want to sit on the
sand anymore. I have to have a sun bed. I
don't care how much it costs me. I'm not having
fights over towersands and all that sort of stuff. However,
that is where I started my Apulia beach journey was
you know monopoly, and Monopoly goes all the way down
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there's all these beautiful little mini beaches called Carla verb
de Carlobianco, and they are free beaches, so you can
grave yourself with all the Italians in August and try
to get a little patch of sand. But they are
absolutely stunning, and they've got there's this little rocky kind
of inlets, and then you go further down there's a Capitolo,
which is a very very long long beach, and I
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don't like Capitolov so much because I find that when
the wind when they have they call it the maestralee,
so they have two wings. The wind on the Adriatic
is the maestralee and the wind on the Owner is
a shit off gos So basically, one time when the
wind on the Adriatic is happening. That means that the
own inside is really really flat and vice versa. But
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if you're on a long, long stretch of beach like
Capitlo and it's windy, you're gonna feel it. So it's
nicer to have those kind of little inlets kind of
like smaller, kind of more intimate beaches. It's more protected
from the elements. One of my absolute beautiful favorite places
is Castro Marina. So Castro Marina is kind of surrounded
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by these little cliffs and the water is just turquoise,
beautiful turquoise blue. You can hire the little one of
those little things called when you're little boats that you're
kind of pedal boats pedalos. Yeah, hire those and get
around and it's absolutely stunning. And then further down you've
got Trikaze Porto and there's this beautiful pink castle on
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the coast which is absolutely stunning. And if you want
to go to have something really really nice to eat,
you go into Trikaza. Helen Mirror has an innor teca there.
I can't remember the name of it, but yeah, really
really gorgeous Tricaze Porto and Castro. Then you've got Santa
Cizaria turn mat which is like a kind of coastal
town and people do go there for a lot of spark,
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kind of you know, treatments if they've got you know,
sinus issues and things like that. That's also really stunning.
But then my second favorite down on that side is
otn Top, I mean, is just absolutely stunning. It's got that,
you know, all the town right on the water, beautiful
long jetty, gorgeous coastline, beautiful, stunning, you know, colorful water,
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absolutely beautiful. I actually have never been to what is
it called the Grotta dela Pepoe's year, you know that
big grotta and you people into it. And I said
to my friend, yes that I really want to go
this summer. Apparently it's crumbling. You can't go on it anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Oh dear, So Grotta is like a sea cave. So
would you recommend, you know, from Monopoly downwards, it's quite
a long coastline. Where where's the kind of the good
basis to find these beaches from?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I think if you're going to be up more the
Alter Salento, which is highest upper Salento area Monopoly is
a fantastic place to yourself because you're next to Polaiano
made you're close enough to Austni, you're close enough to
the Valdia. It's a really really really good base if
you're going further south of drug Doll because you're close
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to castro le chevr cars it. That's a really really
good base to kind of see all that because it
is a pretty long drive to get all the way
down there.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, and you really do need a car, don't you.
I mean, Monopoly in us so much you can probably
do some stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I lived in Monopoly for a year without a car
because the train is good as well, as train goes
to Bari and you know all the way down to
left Che. So yeah, that's a really easy place to
get around.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And it's so cute at nighttime, isn't it, like with
all the little kiatzas drissed up.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, Monopoli is my home, so that is, you know,
my favorite spots on the Adriatic. But like I said,
it is very rocky, it is quite raw, and I'm
not someone that likes, you know, to sit on rocks.
You know, you know, gets cramping your bum sitting on
the rocks or sit on the stones. So I much
prefer for me to be on the Ionian side which
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is just absolutely stunnying. I discovered this really cute little
beach a year ago called leed Or de Gandoli and
Ledally Gandoli is just past Taranto, and I'm not really
a major fan of Taranto, but this lead is absolutely stunning.
No one really knows about it. You can get parking
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for like two euros and easy parking is so something
to really think about because there's been times when I've
had to walk five hundred meters from the parking to
the beach with small kids with a pram in forty
degree heat. So finding a place that's got parking there
is crucial. So leedally Gandoli is absolutely gorgeous. They have
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a restaurant there as well that is absolutely beautiful. Then
you go further down to Portachesadio, which is just magnificent.
That's when you start to really get from Porta Chiesadio
and further south really get into that kind of like
Italian mold dives kind of feel Tory La Pillo. And
there's some really fun beach clubs that along the way.
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So my favorite is one called Bayya. You need to
book online. It's not cheap, but they do give you
a bottle of Bubbly when you arrive to your sun bed.
And it's the best place because I'm so lazy when
I'm on the beach, I just want to press the button.
Someone brings me my drinks, someone brings me my food,
Like I don't even have to get up and do anything,
just go into the beach, eat my food and so on.
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So that is all the Tory Lappilot area absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Even Australian because that is just so un Australians having
a sun bed with a button on the beach. Come on,
Like in Australia, everyone goes down with their own umbrella,
their cool box, their child. Look, I am converted to
the Italian way. I mean I grew up the Aussy way,
but like it's just not as civilized, you know, it
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really isn't.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, honestly, I have become so Italian like that because
when you've got kids as well, it's a nightmare is
to get them out of the house in the cart
with all the bags, to think about carrying an umbrella
and a cool box and all that. No no, no, no,
not on my watch. Yeah, go somewhere that's easy. Press
a button, bring it all for you and job's done.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Make you pick cappuccino, espresso, sprits, lemonicillo, sprits, prosecco, I mean,
why not? And the best snacks ever.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I must say I do laugh though when you see
the Italian families on the on the more on the
free beaches, because at the lead of the paid leaders,
you can't do that. But they've got you know, a
huge bag, and there's like lasagna, there's the parmigiana, there's
the rice salad, there's the you know, every bit of
fruit known to man, you know, the little flask of
the coffee, and I'm just like all of those you
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eat on the beach and it's like forty degree heat.
You're eating all this hot food.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's always about the food down there.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Isn't It always about the food? So I really love
as well is Pesclase. Pesclase is the official mold dives
of Italy. So you're right further like it's literally right
at the very end. So for me for Martina Franca
to get down there is two hours and twenty minutes
and there's a really good beach and again you know
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we're going to get in your theme here, so another
Alido which is really good, called Tropical Elite. They don't
have a buzza unfortunately, but you have just wave down
a waiter though bringing this stuff, as long as you
don't have to get up and God forbid, use your
legs and go and order something yourself. What's a beautiful
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town to visit as well? Is actually where the Aonian
and the Adriatic coastlines meet, which is Santa Marie di Leoca.
It's like the bottom part of Paulia where the two
the two coasts meat, and it's a stunning little town.
I had some clients buy a property very close to
that town and it got an absolute bargain. So, guys,
if you are looking at buying properties in Salento, it's
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still very untouched. There are a lot of properties that
do need to be restored, but you can get some
absolute bargains. I've got a lot of clients buying down
there at the moment because this part of Paulia has
been priced out. It's gone absolutely gamebusters. So down there
you just get some absolute bargains and the beach is
just so much more beautiful down there.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So why wouldn't you so where would you play into there?
Is it Brendac or yeah, because Bari would just be
too far.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, and from I think it's now they're doing the
direct flights from JFK to Brindasy, JFK to Bari, so
it's much easier. But you need a car. You definitely
need a car.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That was my next question. How's the car rental infrastructure
down there?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You have to book it in advance, you know, at
the airport. It's pretty good. And I must say, after
driving in Palermo last week, you could pretty much drive
with your eyes closed in Pulia because these Sicilians, you know,
scooters coming out the wazoo. No one merges, no one indicates,
you know, the lines on the road is just like
ornamental purposes. And when it was just I was like
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freaking out. And I find in Pulia they drive very relaxed,
actually a little bit too slow for my liking. They
don't indicate, but you know, it's very easy to get
around Pulia in a car, very very easy.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I agree. I've driven there and I wasn't frightened at all,
which it has happened in other parts of usually including
in the north of Italy. I'm looking at you, Liguria,
and yeah, I feel like I feel like Pulia, you know,
it's got its own identity, but it's not dissimilar to Sicily,
but you get it's much more relaxed. It's like a
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relaxed vibe of Sicily.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It's very relaxed, and I find I love being with
people when they come to Pulia for the first time
and they just like, you know, just completely in awe
of it because it is so beautiful and it is
so unique and there is nothing like Pullia in the
whole of Italy because those little whitewashed towns. It's got
that really Greek vibe to it, and it's still very
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undiscovered and untouched and it's just it's like Disneyland for adults. Really. Well.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, even though there has been such an increasing tourist
I think it's really concentrated in particular areas. You know,
like you said, down on the Ionian coast, you're really
not going to get a lot of tour especially not
English speaking touris down I do feel that the tourism
down there it is going to ramp up, but the
infrastructure isn't as great.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So the roads they've got those of potholes in the roads,
but I feel like with gentrification and the fact that
there is a lot more people investing down there, it's
like how Monopoly and Austuni and Polognana was three fifteen
years ago and before it had a major boom, And
I do feel and I have been watching, you know,
and I'm like, come on real estate port watching the
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prices go up consecutively over the last five years, and
it's been quite remarkable to watch. But it is very
much still local people.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And so you know, they don't speak a lot of
English though either do they, So you need to try
a little bit when you're down there people. We do
a lot of episodes on Pullyer on this podcast and
it is very very special and I think people are
very interested in it for really good reason. One beach
we didn't mention, and I just love to get your
opinion on it is the one, the very famous one
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in Poligniano, a mare which has got that spectacular in
the cliff face and it's a rocky beach, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Lama Monarchiele stunning place, absolutely stunning for me personally, don't
really fancy having giant rocks stuck to my bum when
I'm sitting down, laying down literally like having like the
hardest massage ever, Like you get your tail there and
you're laying down, and your whole body is just like
like someone like getting like a Chinese talk to massage
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or something. It's like it's a bit intense. However, it
is absolutely beautiful. It is beautiful. We have such extreme
weather situations at the moment, Like each Christmas it's warm
enough that people are in the sea. And of course
there was an Aussie in the sea on Christmas Eve
last year because he had the Green and Gold Budget
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smuggler and he had a beer in his hand and
he was at Lamma Monarchy let swimming and I'm like,
oh wow, oh the Italnians are horrified wads. I was like, yeah,
that's an AUSSI.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, I tone ten to agree it's not necessary anyway,
So yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I mean, Coulnana is absolutely beautiful. However, I do feel
that there are so many other It's definitely a must
sea to visit, for sure, but I would say that
there are so many other more beautiful beaches. Oh another beach.
I forgot to mention this one of my favorites. I'm
going to be staying there next week. Actually, Santa Maria Albagno.
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It's like a postcard that is very close to Nado,
and I'm going to be going down there for a
client next week and I'm gonna be staying down there.
He's just a stunning little beach. And Santa Catardina, which
is on the other side, absolutely stunning little beach. So
I was in the middle of an total argument on
that beach when some guy had bought his huge umbrella
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and all these cows first thing in the morning and
left them on the beach. Right. Bear in mind, there's
not that much space. He turns up and someone had
moved his stuff, right, and I was in the middle
of this family and his stuff which he had gotten.
He turns up at ten to twelve and gets angry
at everybody for moving his stuff, and I'm just sort
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of sitting there. It's just like going out, certainly nuts.
So I always have very fond memories of Santimodya Banyo
for that reason. And it's just gorgeous. I mean, they've
done so much to it. They've put loads of restaurants.
They're really cool bars, terrace bars with you know, seaview
terroraces and stuff and It is absolutely studying. So there's
two parts to it. There's a part where you can
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actually get the sun lounges and on the other side
where I was the first time. It's kind of like,
you know, you pick a patch of sand and you
sit down.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
But it's just stunning, amazing how much with the sun
lounges cost, Just to give everyone an idea, if.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You're somewhere kind of like very basic, it'ld be about
fifteen euros. If you're so that's a bit boogie, like Bayia,
you could be paying over one hundred euros.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And that's for the way though.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, that's for the day. Yeah, through the day. To
some of these beach clubs, you will need to book
in advance for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
They're getting better with your online or you or you
send them a WhatsApp. I love that. I just had
a thought, what about the north of Bari in the
Gagano Peninsula. What are the beaches like up there?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
It's really beautiful up there. I've only ever driven up
there the once and I was completely blown away by
the beauty of it. It is absolutely stunning. However, the
drive is a nightmare because it's like imagine like the
Amalfi Coast. It's all curves and it might be like
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twelve kilometers or twenty kilometers of curves and it will
take you over an hour. So if you're going to
go up that way, you need to allocate for a
lot of driving time, a lot of curves, and if
anyone gets cast sick, I would not recommend doing that drive.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Because that area is supposed to be amazing, Like it's
really the National Park so untouched.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
He's absolutely stunning. However, it's an absolute mission to get there.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Have you been to the beach yet this summer? Because singers,
it's so hot, I happened.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I will go this next week because I've got the
pool at home. I'm like, yeah, I just stay by
the pool, put my music on, prosecco in hand, you know.
I mean, I've got my own beach club at home,
so I kind of like to do that. Rubbing it
in now. Listening to this in cold Melbourne or cold
Australia right now, it's very cold.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I can't lie anyway, Nikki. I can really understand so
much how Italians and Europeans loved hers their summers down
in pooliad it just sounds pretty special. So thanks for
sharing your favorite spots. But before we sign off, can
you let everyone know how they can follow your adventures
in Italy or learn more about your property services.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Perfect. So, I I'm on Insta, which is Nikki Taylor's
underscore t Vita, and I share pretty much all of
you know, my day to day life when I'm doing
my property viewings and stuff like that, you know, and
in there is a link to my website and you
can find out about the membership that I have and
my magazine and if you want to get in contact
with me about you know, wanting to buy your dream home.
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I do work all over Italy, not just Poolia, and yeah,
it'd be great to connect.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Amazing. So I hope you have an amazing summer and
you get to sit on those lunges, especially the one
with the buzzer. That sounds great.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I'm definitely doing the Buzzer the Buzzer Beach this year
for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Enjoy, Enjoy. We're all jealous and real super jellous and
grad Simula, thank you for coming back on HLD Italy.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Thank you for having me jo.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
There's really nothing like getting the local perspective on the
lay of the land. Is there. My parents live on
the coast, and it's so true. The wind direction and
situation with the tides are all important. So I really
appreciate Niki sharing this inside and knowledge with us. If
Pullia's beaches weren't on your radar before, perhaps they are now.
And maybe you're already picturing yourself toes in the sand,
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buzzer at the ready, so you'll always have a fresh
spirits in hand. I know I am as always. All
the names of the beaches and places Nicki mentioned, plus
all her contact details in case you're ready to dive
into the Italian property market, are now in the show
notes at Untold Italy dot com. Forward slash two seven
seven for episode number two hundred and seventy seven. Before
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we go, we'd love it if you could take a
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Thanks for listening, and until then, it's chow for now.
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