May 8, 2024 • 34 mins
Dare to venture into a semi-professional paranormal investigation of Dawn's 1940's-era abode. With our very own Medium in tow, this four-level house seemingly weaves its own tale, subtly revealing the possible presence of phantom friends. Yet, there seem to be challenges surrounding historic norms of 'wifely duties', that make us wonder- Is this a Phantom Friend, or Foe?
This investigation sparks an array of questions about life after death and the unknown. It's an exploration that blends the ordinary with the extraordinary, the comical with the somber, and the earthly with the otherworldly.
Music: Blue Dot Sessions
Delicates Sun Spots Desmontes New Crescent
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Music.
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At Dawn's house. What is our plan for this, confirming that there is or is not a ghost at Dawn's?
I feel there is somebody at Dawn's. I don't know if they're from the house or
the property or the house next door behind, what have you, because,
you know, people can travel.
Stephanie has been at Dawn's house twice. The last time was a Super Bowl party.
While Stephanie ate her mini-layered dip and drank her White Claw,
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she felt someone standing, watching, just over her shoulder.
There is somebody there to me that is more of a caretaker.
Dawn herself feels not alone at her house and has had several strange things occur.
So she's invited Stephanie to do a casual investigation and see if she can get some answers.
I don't know. Like, I just never feel comfortable in my bedroom.
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Like, and I'd like to feel like my bedroom is my bedroom.
You know, like, so part of me is like, maybe it's time to, like,
help this person. Yeah. I mean, maybe they need a crossover.
That kind of stuff. I mean, I think I'm fine with boundaries.
You know, I think I just have to struggle to figure out what is that boundary,
like trying to figure out what this thing is and like what the intentions are.
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But again, never felt negative.
Never once. Never scared.
I get to tag along on this little adventure, carrying my recording device that I barely know how to use.
Dawn lives here with her husband, Chad, who is supportive and also not interested in this.
If you ask him if he believes in ghosts
in the paranormal he says no but he's
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from hawaii though but they always talk
about this haunted house they had to stay in and he's got a hawaiian suspicion
yeah of everything like let's not chance it yeah he never he never wants to
talk there would be things that would happen when we first moved in where i'm
like you see that right and he
was like yeah and i was like do you want to talk about he's like yep Yep.
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Music.
Investigation day has arrived. I'm hopping in the car.
Walking up to Don's, I pull out my recorder and knock on the door.
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But quickly discover that this unseasonable wind is not amenable to recording.
Stephanie arrives shortly after me, and the two of them immediately launch into
the terror of childhood dolls.
I watched Talking Tina when I was in like third grade at a slumber party, and it scared me so bad.
I was already terrified. Are you talking about Tina from the Twilight Zone?
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. That one and the dummy, the Ventriloquist dummy.
Those are the two I will not watch.
Yes, I was too fed that mannequins came alive at night. Oh, for sure.
Oh, yeah, the wax museum one where they were like, and yet you have one in your
home. I bought one to give her the fear, but it still scares me sometimes when I forget she's there.
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But she's never moved or made a move on me. Have you met her yet,
the mannequin? No, I haven't, but one of my favorite movies is Mannequin.
Music.
My aunt made me this very sweet she made me and
my sister raggedy ann and raggedy andy i
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had raggedy ann but i hated raggedy
ann but it was super cute doll but i was terrified of it
and so i would never sleep with it and then
after i was talking to tina i got this thing
in my head that she knew that i didn't like her so i
was like i need to start mixing her up in bed situations so she won't catch
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on you know so i would sleep with her like right next to me and then snoopy
and then woodstock and i would just lay there in terror just like watching her triangle nose and eyes,
she's just being like as soon as they close my eyes she's gonna roll over and
and so then i would like put snoopy as my protector in between me and her but
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then i'd be like but she knows you know And then what about Woodstock? He's so tiny.
Okay, Woodstock, Snoopy, the doll. And I finally just one day I freaked out
and I was just like, hey, Raggedy Ann, let's go play.
And then I just grabbed her and I tied her all up and I wrapped her in all these
towels and I put her in a drawer and I got the dining room chair and I put it in front of the chair.
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And my mom came in and she's like, what are we doing here?
And I was like, don't talk about it.
I had to go to bed too early but when you're a
kid those are the things that you rationalize to yourself like I
every night my mom had to look under the bed and in the closet and tell me there
was nothing there and then I had then for a while I had to they had to put a
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light in the closet and we had to sleep with the closet door open oh my god
okay closets I'm the same way like I had to have closet doors open because I
was like I don't need nobody like sneaking up on you while you're sleeping.
But then I became this thing where I had to have closets closed.
And to this day, that half-open closet is driving me bananas.
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And the one in our bedroom, which is where I had the feels about,
I will not go in there if that closet door isn't closed. Like, it doesn't...
Music.
Have had active imaginations. We've now settled onto the living room couch and
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are refocusing on the task at hand.
Dawn and I want to make sure that Stephanie is comfortable.
Again, like just to be clear, like there's no pressure on this. Oh yeah, no, I know.
If you don't feel anything or whatever. Yeah, and there's times where I've been
places with the person who leads our group.
She's also a medium and her and I do tons of stuff together.
Like we go to estate sales, we go to all sorts of stuff together.
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And sometimes she'll pick up on something and And my mind is absolutely like a big black box.
Like, I don't see nothing here. I don't feel nothing here. And times where I'll
pick up on something and she's like, this place seems totally normal to me.
So it's just really, you know, it's really not in person.
And we also want to confirm we're not going to accidentally summon a demon.
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I don't want to conjure anything up here. I don't want to call anything forward.
I don't want to do anything like that.
Because this is her home and she's our
friend and i'm not doing that and even when we have
done private homes and investigations we try not to to do that to people but
i've been on investigations where people have tried to like call things forward
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or conjure things forward and our like host or our leader is like gtfo like
you need to knock that shit off and get out of here like we We don't play those games here.
Yeah. So I don't I don't feel like fucking finding out. No. Yeah.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to banish anything or anything like that.
Like moving somebody on.
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I think a lot of people can actually do that.
It's just more intention, like, you know, trying to get them to understand where
they are and move forward.
But like as far as, you know, if there's like negative stuff and trying to banish
it, that's not my skill set.
Yeah. So I'm not going to do that here. I think that sounds like a great plan. Yeah. Let's do that.
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Dawn's house is four levels. We've been sitting on the couch in her cozy living
room, windows open, wind howling, birds chirping.
It's one of those days where it's rainy and sunny, like a rainbow kind of day.
And I should say we are in the daytime and we are sober.
So I like being very responsible right now. But also, too, like,
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you know, spirits and stuff, they don't care what time of day it is.
But all the shows are at nighttime.
Yes, because here's the reason.
Stephanie is going to drop some knowledge about why all those ghost hunting
shows happen in the dark.
I don't necessarily like think there's a perfect time of day for stuff.
I think when you see shows and they do stuff at night, it's generally it's less noisy.
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Yeah. There's no people there. There's no traffic. Is that what I'm trying to say? It's quieter.
So generally you can hear stuff better. You don't get noise pollution.
You don't get light pollution.
Right. That makes sense. And especially if you're doing like historical places
during the day, they're open for tours. At night, they're not.
So there's like just logical. There's logical reasons.
Yeah. Yeah, but also, too, there's a lot of people that believe,
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like, the veil is thinner at night.
I don't agree with that. I think if you are already tuned into that and that's
something that your, you know, intuition or whatever is guiding you towards
that, it doesn't matter what time of day it is.
I mean, all I really want to do, too, if you want to do it, is,
like, we can even go outside if you want and you can just go around the house.
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I mean, you probably want to record it, but if it works better for you to be alone or whatever.
No, no, no, no, no. I just try to see what you feel here.
And for me, it's not something where I can like snap my fingers and here it is.
I have to really like work to tune in and stuff like that. And to be honest
with you guys, I haven't been very good at my,
like for me, when I do the investigations and I'm working with my team,
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I, and I was taking all these mediumship classes, I was very,
very immersed in meditations, like, you know, trying to like really hone in on that stuff.
And I haven't been doing that a really long time. That's a little rusty might be the right word.
That's Stephanie's disclaimer. She's not at peak mediumness.
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But already just here in the living room, Stephanie has the feels.
The space feels fine. Do I feel that there's something here? A hundred percent.
Do I feel that there's something here right now a hundred percent but it's
not anything or anyone that is mean
or evil or malicious or anything it's more just like a
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like a watchful protective presence and
nothing like protective of like you know you
need to leave things alone it's more just like a almost like
a caretaker presence yeah like you guys are the
stewards of this home and i think whatever is here is appreciative of that yeah
last time i was here i couldn't tell if it was the previous owner or maybe the
person before that and also too like again like the one of the times i was here
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i'm like well could it be somebody that is attached to the land or somewhere close by.
I mean, I don't want to say anything. I mean, I've already told you some of
my impressions of the house, but I don't want to say anything about what I think yet, if you want.
I'm most curious to see if you go in our bedroom and in the closet.
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And Chad never thinks anything?
No. I have had stuff happen in there when he's out of town. That was mostly in the beginning.
But again, I don't want to say a lot about what I felt and stuff,
But that, for me, is the one place in the house that I'm the most curious about.
Dawn is most curious about her bedroom. But immediately after pledging not to,
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she breaks protocol and shares with Stephanie that someone has died in this house.
Did you research to confirm that somebody really did, in fact,
ask away here? Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. We bought the house from his family.
Oh, okay. And even, like, we're interested in the house.
I found his obituary because I wanted to know, like, what the person was like
that lived here. And we tried to be like super duper respectful,
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but I'm already telling too many things. So, yeah.
There's, I feel like two different males here.
One I don't think is here all the time. One I think just kind of floats in and
out. But I was just sitting here chatting with you. I'm also getting a woman here too.
More like she's dressed in almost like kind of as like 1950s,
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1960s and very much like the hairstyle of that period.
Period you're so spot on so feel so
far that's why i'm like maybe i should go outside and you
guys should walk around and but i can't tell if her relationship to i think
she's potentially tied to one of the males here but not the other one oh so
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i think there's two different things going on here like i said and i yeah and
just have to spend more time and yeah.
I mean, do you want to, like, walk around the house? That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, just, like, take us to roll around the house.
All right, yeah, I'll go wander around the house. Are you okay with that?
Yeah. Sorry, I'm taking my shoes off. Is that okay? Oh, and I have Golden Girl socks on.
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Music.
That's okay.
Okay, we're done setting up expectations and getting Stephanie's feelings in
the living room. So we continue our investigation by going downstairs,
a seemingly more creepy area of the house.
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This is the garage, laundry room, bathroom area.
It's very well lit. It does not feel like a basement to me. Have you guys seen this?
The way the house is constructed is a little weird.
She's opening a little door in the basement. There's like a sump there.
Does it flood in all rates here?
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We poke around for a little bit. I like how organized Chad's tools are.
I like how organized this whole place is.
I know, we're not. Our garage looks like a bunch of hoarders live in our house.
And I didn't bring any stuff with me either. For me, I really just think it's
all about a voice recorder and camera.
And that we're supposed to say, Sorry.
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We're being loud, so we are. We can't help it. Then make our way back up two stairs.
This is technically the second floor, and we're going to the third floor.
Oh, yeah, because it's a trilateral. We're going to have a fourth floor.
There's like secret stairs everywhere. So this is my closet room.
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Bedroom number one, Dawn calls her closet room, and that's what it is.
On the right are vintage clothes hung up and suitcases and a mannequin.
On the left is a little seating area with a mirror and pin-up style prints.
And there's a small closet filled with shoes and socks in labeled bins.
Reading your labels on your thing. Rad socks.
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I know, that's why I was like, are they really rad? I was like,
yes, they are. They're from back in the day. They're so rad,
they get a label that says rad socks on it.
Special stockings. Is that the mannequin? Mm-hmm.
She's very pouty and salty. She seems harmless. we
make our way into bedroom number two a proper bedroom
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with a bed covered in a yellow bedspread with
birds dawn cracks open the little closet if
you need to look in closets i don't know if you do no i'm i'm still scared of
closets yeah okay i will say though in a non-ghost way your closets are big
yeah in a non-ghost way yeah for an older house they're quite big yes except
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for the one that And Chad uses, unfortunately for him.
I get a whole room and he gets a tiny closet.
Honestly, it's a lovely room. The dresser is covered with beautiful framed wedding
photos of Chad and Dawn's parents and grandparents.
So we don't spend a whole lot of time in here. Pretty quickly heading up to
the fourth floor, Chad's room.
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We've got a attic space here. Yeah.
Don, you hella cleaned your house before we got here. No. Really?
Chad vacuumed in here because he's...
But can I show you guys this?
Wow. So you know how Chad's drawer was. Oh my God. He did the Marie Kondo folding?
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That's how my shirt's all folded? He doesn't even know who Marie Kondo is.
Oh. This is just who he is.
This is the most shocking thing that we've seen thus far. Chad's t-shirts are
carefully folded in the drawer.
At least 20 of them. Perfectly fitted.
You do your shirts like that too? Mine was the Marie Kondo thing because it
saves a tremendous amount of space. And I have so many band t-shirts. Yeah.
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That was a lot of shirts in that. Yeah. Well, these are huge.
It's like a bachelor's wrestler and it's big. And then this is his closet.
And there's another attic in there.
His closet is equally organized. It's impressive.
Adidas, Tons, Pygher. Oh, yeah. They're shoes.
He's labeled his shoes. He should have a series on organization.
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Yeah, that's impressive.
I think he has a label on his label machine.
Music.
So that's the whole house. Your house is quiet.
Yeah. It's a beautiful day and the house feels good. Yeah, we just had that
rain. Like everything seems fresh.
Music.
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Don and I go outside to give Stephanie some alone time, and then Don pulls out
the original plans for her house in 1939.
Look at the design of the windows and the doors, this dripping moon.
Like, I totally want to have that. Oh, it had shutters. Yes,
and the house would look so much better with shutters.
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So I want to have these custom-made. crescents on there yeah was that the crescent
on the front door yeah it was on the front door,
and then it was even like on the garage that
looks like but i'm afraid people will
think it's like an outhouse symbol these are
so this is really neat yeah i know i love it
and so the this has just been passed down from owner yeah we found it in a garage
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after we like moved in we're only in the i think we're the third owners i didn't
find any records of the fourth this Because you can go to the store by the side
of Alameda, which is, I think, off Park Boulevard,
and pull all of the history, stuff like that.
Yeah, my sister, my sister's a genealogy freak, so she belongs to all those newspapers and stuff.
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Newspaper.com, I love that. And she found an article that has a picture of our
house being built and the neighbor's house, like, 90% done. And the article
is about how they're using power tools for the first time ever.
How fast it is to like saw wood and stuff using power tools.
I missed it. What are those dated? Or are they?
1939, I think. And then the house was completed in 1936.
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Music.
Is eager to hear what Stephanie thinks. All right, I want to hear,
like, your impressions.
So today, I don't really, I'm not feeling any male presence.
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I'm very much feeling a woman here today.
And she is, like, I don't know how to explain this.
Like, she's, like, she's very much looks like she's from the 60s, maybe 70s era.
And I think she's attached to the probably the
owners before you guys potentially but I she seems
like almost like it's walking back and forth between the room with the yellow
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and your dressing room so which room do you think has had the most things happen
in it or which rooms I think your dressing room and I think the yellow room
but the yellow room to me just seems like a area of
it seems heavy in there to me.
Like the person, it seems like they're in mourning. Like should I feel the person
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going back and forth? And maybe that's just today, that's what I'm getting.
But for the most part, I don't think that there's anything like that doesn't
feel heavy here or anything like that.
I just could feel like this woman kind of wandering back and forth and almost
like she's in mourning about something.
And maybe it's because we were talking about the person passed away.
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The last owner was a single man who passed away in
2011 so it seems like the woman would have
been the first owner yeah and then i believe
that the couple that built the house lived here yeah and so for me when we moved
in at first all i thought about was the previous owner who passed And the other
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couple could have passed away here, too. I don't know. I don't have that information.
But my neighbor has told me a lot about what he knows.
The man was an actual brick mason, and that's why the backyard is.
They build that patio in like 1950 because it's like signed
and then we found some stuff like a rock
that had love painted on it that someone buried in the the ground in the flower
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bed but he didn't know much about them but he was like yeah he was just very
like linear and like you know like it makes sense that the backyard looks the
way it does like it's all straight and angles and, you know, like blah, blah, blah.
Anyways, when we first moved in, I never felt comfortable in our bedroom.
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Like, I always felt like somebody was coming in there with us.
We went back up to the third floor where the bedroom and closet room are.
Stephanie feels drawn back into the closet room, where Dawn shares something new. I don't know.
It's funny because when I first came in this room, I feel like this room had
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the most energy and activity.
Yeah. But because I already knew that someone had passed away in that room,
I was like, you know, I'm going to focus on that room.
That room seems heavy because someone passed away here, which it does.
But I keep getting drawn back into this room. I know.
Okay, so I had my wedding shoes. Those guys. Oh, they're beautiful.
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They're just cheap. They're cute, though.
In a box. In a closet. Right here. Right?
Donna is pointing up at a box inside the closet on the left-hand shelf.
So let's say there was an earthquake that caused the box to come down and pop open.
Like, where would the shoes go?
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Like, probably right here, right? So I came into the room and I was like,
doop-de-doo, and I saw one shoe right here and one way over there.
She's pointing in the middle of the room and at the far end of the room,
Not at all near where a shoebox inside the closet might fall naturally.
And in my head, and this is how whatever I have works for me,
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I just hear statements. There's no emotion.
And it's in my own head voice. It's called your mind's eye.
Yeah. Yeah. I just walked in and I was like, oh, she wants me to know that she
doesn't think that I am a good wife.
Like, she doesn't approve of the type of wife I am because I don't cook for
my husband. in. I hate cleaning.
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I don't do his laundry. He takes care of himself completely.
I'm a total slob. And her symbol for that is like, how could you wear like red shoes at your wedding?
Like that's disgusting, you know, like, but I feel like over time,
she and I have worked it out.
But like sometimes, like one time I was sitting here and I used to have like stuff all across here.
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She was sitting at her little makeup table in front of a mirror when a hanger from the closet.
I'm putting on my makeup and all of a sudden this freaking hanger comes flying out of me.
And I just started laughing because I was like, man, you really have to pick
your moments because if I wasn't in here and that hanger was on the floor,
I would never have known you did that.
I would just be like, oh, that was just a hanger I threw on the floor.
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Were you putting on like red lipstick or anything like that when you were doing
your makeup? No, I think it was more we're just like, hey, I'm here.
Yeah. That time, that's all it felt like. And like, that's what I was laughing.
She seems very, cause the person I keep picking up on is definitely somebody
from the fifties, sixties era, but she seems very like of that time. Period.
Exactly. That's how I felt. I just felt like she was like someone who was very
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much of like, like she was probably, I'm going to guess in her thirties, in 1940, you know?
Music.
Shared something disturbing about the deed to her house. I mean,
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when we signed the paperwork for this house, I freaked out.
I was like, I'm not signing this because the very, very end was this codicil
about no people of color can live here unless they're a servant.
And I was like, I'm not signing this, you know, like, and it was on your current.
It's been there for 100 years on the for
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the deed yeah and i
was like no i'm not signing this till they change it and when the realtor's like
that could take years like just just acknowledge
that you're not okay with that but please just sign this
because i already wrote the checks for the commission you know like
but i really signed it under duress like you
know pointing that was kind of the mentality obviously people
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that were living here right she signed that original yeah
she probably didn't her husband been probably that original deep so
it also felt like you know the combination of us
was probably like kind of a shock yeah i still.
Music.
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Think she doesn't agree with me and my style but i do feel like they've just
made their peace with us for the most part but um i hope she's not stuck here
and not knowing where her husband is, that would be terrible.
No, I don't pick up that at all because I am also picking up,
the other two times I was here, I was definitely picking up a male figure.
Like I said, I wasn't sure if it was previous owner or the original owners,
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but the woman that I keep picking up on, the time period I'm picking up is the
50s and the 60s era, which would put her at about 50 years old.
And that's exactly who I can see
in my little beehive hair that's slightly gray. I wish I could see them.
I can't visualize them at all. Yeah.
Music.
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Sometimes I'm way off base with what I'm feeling and I always tell people like, am I off base?
And sometimes people will go, yeah, yeah, you are way off base.
And I'm like, well, then I'm picking up something from somewhere else.
I mean, I have no way to prove that you're off base except that you described
everything exactly as I sensed it over the years in my head. Yeah.
And also too, like, I don't know if the woman presence is more today because
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we're all women in the house right now. It could very well be that.
Music.
I will be waiting Is this a woman mourning her husband?
Has she been walking this house for 40 years? Is she a racist with 1940s views
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on multiracial marriage?
Is she uptight about Dawn's approach to wifing?
Music.
After this investigation, Dawn's sister did some research and found the couple
who moved into this house on Fernside when they were in their early 20s.
He was an Air Force officer and she, Georgianne, was described as to be army
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man's bride in an engagement announcement, though she was also a dancer. They had two daughters.
That led Dawn to wonder if maybe that's why Stephanie feels her walking between
the two bedrooms, still in the habit of checking on her little girls.
Music.
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As we start to wrap up and go our separate ways, in classic Dawn fashion,
she has a final question, and it's a big one.
With all that she's experienced, does Stephanie have a fear of dying?
So are you, do you have a fear of dying, Ro?
Yes and no. I feel like I have a fear of dying and a very tragic,
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like, horrible death that I will feel.
But I think, like, the accepting death that it's inevitable,
it's going to happen, I'm okay with that.
Like i'm terrified of dying either drowning
or a horrible like like i
had been decapitated in some way yeah when i was a
kid the religious aspect of it made me
a thousand times more terrified of dying and every
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time i thought something bad was happening i would just be like dear god
please don't send me to hell like i didn't care about heaven i was just
please don't send me to hell i know i haven't been perfect blah blah
and i would have dreams about what hell was for me
like I was like I know what's gonna happen when I get there you know
I told my mom and dad about that a few years ago
and they're like why didn't you tell us you were going through that and I was
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like I thought everybody experienced that because of religion you know like
I had such an intense fear of dying like and then I remember after the haunting
at my house and like many years later.
I remember I was on this airplane and there was crazy turbulence
and all my friends were like in a different part of the plane and I
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remember thinking what if like the plane exploded
right now and a fireball was coming right at
me how would I feel and I was like you know what I lived
a good life it was really fun you know like I'm happy
like it's okay and like after that moment like
of course same as you I don't want to be tortured or
experience like drowning or burning to
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death or something like that but like I don't have any fear that there's something
on the other side that's beautiful you know like and it's funny because you
would think religion would have given me that but it gave me like the opposite
of that and it wasn't until I like explored all these other possibilities for
myself I think that I finally got there you know yeah.
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How do you feel about dying totally
the same like i'm fine with leaving
the earth yeah i'm fine
with whatever's after that i think it's gonna be beautiful or
it will be nothing yeah i don't think
it will be bad i can't i can't imagine
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life would seem so pointless if
it was nothing thing i don't know why that's just how it feels to
me totally i'm gonna come back
and haunt people i don't like yeah and i'll
haunt their family's family oh my
gosh oh we haven't talked about near-death experiences because i'm like obsessed
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with those yes i love those stories they're amazing have you been on that site
that has the thousands of them no all over the world what is it He was a doctor
who was freaked out by having heard multiple stories.
Well, and I know there's a doctor that he had, or maybe it was a she,
had a near-death experience.
This one never had. So he's like 100% skeptic. Okay, he's just a...
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Doesn't believe in anything.
But he started having these people describe, like, I heard you say this to them.
And he was like, how do you know that I said that?
You know, like, they were like, yeah, you were talking about like the football
game or something, you know, like.
And then he just started... Like the person that was dead said what he was saying?
The person who passed away and then they revived them told him what they were
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saying during the operating, but also after they were dead.
Like, I could see you. You were saying this. You were doing that.
So he started, he was like, I want to scientifically investigate this.
So everybody gets the same questionnaire,
no matter where they are in the world. So there's thousands.
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Yeah. And it's fascinating, like, because, like, it's from all different,
like, religions, like, so, like, people that are Muslim, like,
have a different encounter, but there's, like...
Thread that ties everything together. Right. I mean, that's the thing that trips
me out is that there's so many commonalities in the stories. Yeah, exactly.
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The thread across stories is love.
The website is nderf.org Near Death Experience Research Foundation.
Music.
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Leaving dawn's house i was on a bit of a high the mysteries of the universe
can do that to us can't they or they can terrify us but since no lights flickered
and nothing came flying off shelves we got to just stay curious plus we didn't
open any portals to the netherworld so all in all a successful investigation.
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If you're not too weirded out already, tune in next time for one more paranormal party.
Music.
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At Dawn's house. What is our plan for this, confirming that there is or is not a ghost at Dawn's?
I feel there is somebody at Dawn's. I don't know if they're from the house or
the property or the house next door behind, what have you, because,
you know, people can travel.
Stephanie has been at Dawn's house twice. The last time was a Super Bowl party.
While Stephanie ate her mini-layered dip and drank her White Claw,
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she felt someone standing, watching, just over her shoulder.
There is somebody there to me that is more of a caretaker.
Dawn herself feels not alone at her house and has had several strange things occur.
So she's invited Stephanie to do a casual investigation and see if she can get some answers.
I don't know. Like, I just never feel comfortable in my bedroom.
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Like, and I'd like to feel like my bedroom is my bedroom.
You know, like, so part of me is like, maybe it's time to, like,
help this person. Yeah. I mean, maybe they need a crossover.
That kind of stuff. I mean, I think I'm fine with boundaries.
You know, I think I just have to struggle to figure out what is that boundary,
like trying to figure out what this thing is and like what the intentions are.
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But again, never felt negative.
Never once. Never scared.
I get to tag along on this little adventure, carrying my recording device that I barely know how to use.
Dawn lives here with her husband, Chad, who is supportive and also not interested in this.
If you ask him if he believes in ghosts
in the paranormal he says no but he's
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from hawaii though but they always talk
about this haunted house they had to stay in and he's got a hawaiian suspicion
yeah of everything like let's not chance it yeah he never he never wants to
talk there would be things that would happen when we first moved in where i'm
like you see that right and he
was like yeah and i was like do you want to talk about he's like yep Yep.
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Music.
Investigation day has arrived. I'm hopping in the car.
Walking up to Don's, I pull out my recorder and knock on the door.
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But quickly discover that this unseasonable wind is not amenable to recording.
Stephanie arrives shortly after me, and the two of them immediately launch into
the terror of childhood dolls.
I watched Talking Tina when I was in like third grade at a slumber party, and it scared me so bad.
I was already terrified. Are you talking about Tina from the Twilight Zone?
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. That one and the dummy, the Ventriloquist dummy.
Those are the two I will not watch.
Yes, I was too fed that mannequins came alive at night. Oh, for sure.
Oh, yeah, the wax museum one where they were like, and yet you have one in your
home. I bought one to give her the fear, but it still scares me sometimes when I forget she's there.
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But she's never moved or made a move on me. Have you met her yet,
the mannequin? No, I haven't, but one of my favorite movies is Mannequin.
Music.
My aunt made me this very sweet she made me and
my sister raggedy ann and raggedy andy i
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had raggedy ann but i hated raggedy
ann but it was super cute doll but i was terrified of it
and so i would never sleep with it and then
after i was talking to tina i got this thing
in my head that she knew that i didn't like her so i
was like i need to start mixing her up in bed situations so she won't catch
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on you know so i would sleep with her like right next to me and then snoopy
and then woodstock and i would just lay there in terror just like watching her triangle nose and eyes,
she's just being like as soon as they close my eyes she's gonna roll over and
and so then i would like put snoopy as my protector in between me and her but
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then i'd be like but she knows you know And then what about Woodstock? He's so tiny.
Okay, Woodstock, Snoopy, the doll. And I finally just one day I freaked out
and I was just like, hey, Raggedy Ann, let's go play.
And then I just grabbed her and I tied her all up and I wrapped her in all these
towels and I put her in a drawer and I got the dining room chair and I put it in front of the chair.
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And my mom came in and she's like, what are we doing here?
And I was like, don't talk about it.
I had to go to bed too early but when you're a
kid those are the things that you rationalize to yourself like I
every night my mom had to look under the bed and in the closet and tell me there
was nothing there and then I had then for a while I had to they had to put a
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light in the closet and we had to sleep with the closet door open oh my god
okay closets I'm the same way like I had to have closet doors open because I
was like I don't need nobody like sneaking up on you while you're sleeping.
But then I became this thing where I had to have closets closed.
And to this day, that half-open closet is driving me bananas.
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And the one in our bedroom, which is where I had the feels about,
I will not go in there if that closet door isn't closed. Like, it doesn't...
Music.
Have had active imaginations. We've now settled onto the living room couch and
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are refocusing on the task at hand.
Dawn and I want to make sure that Stephanie is comfortable.
Again, like just to be clear, like there's no pressure on this. Oh yeah, no, I know.
If you don't feel anything or whatever. Yeah, and there's times where I've been
places with the person who leads our group.
She's also a medium and her and I do tons of stuff together.
Like we go to estate sales, we go to all sorts of stuff together.
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And sometimes she'll pick up on something and And my mind is absolutely like a big black box.
Like, I don't see nothing here. I don't feel nothing here. And times where I'll
pick up on something and she's like, this place seems totally normal to me.
So it's just really, you know, it's really not in person.
And we also want to confirm we're not going to accidentally summon a demon.
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I don't want to conjure anything up here. I don't want to call anything forward.
I don't want to do anything like that.
Because this is her home and she's our
friend and i'm not doing that and even when we have
done private homes and investigations we try not to to do that to people but
i've been on investigations where people have tried to like call things forward
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or conjure things forward and our like host or our leader is like gtfo like
you need to knock that shit off and get out of here like we We don't play those games here.
Yeah. So I don't I don't feel like fucking finding out. No. Yeah.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to banish anything or anything like that.
Like moving somebody on.
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I think a lot of people can actually do that.
It's just more intention, like, you know, trying to get them to understand where
they are and move forward.
But like as far as, you know, if there's like negative stuff and trying to banish
it, that's not my skill set.
Yeah. So I'm not going to do that here. I think that sounds like a great plan. Yeah. Let's do that.
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Dawn's house is four levels. We've been sitting on the couch in her cozy living
room, windows open, wind howling, birds chirping.
It's one of those days where it's rainy and sunny, like a rainbow kind of day.
And I should say we are in the daytime and we are sober.
So I like being very responsible right now. But also, too, like,
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you know, spirits and stuff, they don't care what time of day it is.
But all the shows are at nighttime.
Yes, because here's the reason.
Stephanie is going to drop some knowledge about why all those ghost hunting
shows happen in the dark.
I don't necessarily like think there's a perfect time of day for stuff.
I think when you see shows and they do stuff at night, it's generally it's less noisy.
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Yeah. There's no people there. There's no traffic. Is that what I'm trying to say? It's quieter.
So generally you can hear stuff better. You don't get noise pollution.
You don't get light pollution.
Right. That makes sense. And especially if you're doing like historical places
during the day, they're open for tours. At night, they're not.
So there's like just logical. There's logical reasons.
Yeah. Yeah, but also, too, there's a lot of people that believe,
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like, the veil is thinner at night.
I don't agree with that. I think if you are already tuned into that and that's
something that your, you know, intuition or whatever is guiding you towards
that, it doesn't matter what time of day it is.
I mean, all I really want to do, too, if you want to do it, is,
like, we can even go outside if you want and you can just go around the house.
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I mean, you probably want to record it, but if it works better for you to be alone or whatever.
No, no, no, no, no. I just try to see what you feel here.
And for me, it's not something where I can like snap my fingers and here it is.
I have to really like work to tune in and stuff like that. And to be honest
with you guys, I haven't been very good at my,
like for me, when I do the investigations and I'm working with my team,
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I, and I was taking all these mediumship classes, I was very,
very immersed in meditations, like, you know, trying to like really hone in on that stuff.
And I haven't been doing that a really long time. That's a little rusty might be the right word.
That's Stephanie's disclaimer. She's not at peak mediumness.
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But already just here in the living room, Stephanie has the feels.
The space feels fine. Do I feel that there's something here? A hundred percent.
Do I feel that there's something here right now a hundred percent but it's
not anything or anyone that is mean
or evil or malicious or anything it's more just like a
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like a watchful protective presence and
nothing like protective of like you know you
need to leave things alone it's more just like a almost like
a caretaker presence yeah like you guys are the
stewards of this home and i think whatever is here is appreciative of that yeah
last time i was here i couldn't tell if it was the previous owner or maybe the
person before that and also too like again like the one of the times i was here
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i'm like well could it be somebody that is attached to the land or somewhere close by.
I mean, I don't want to say anything. I mean, I've already told you some of
my impressions of the house, but I don't want to say anything about what I think yet, if you want.
I'm most curious to see if you go in our bedroom and in the closet.
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And Chad never thinks anything?
No. I have had stuff happen in there when he's out of town. That was mostly in the beginning.
But again, I don't want to say a lot about what I felt and stuff,
But that, for me, is the one place in the house that I'm the most curious about.
Dawn is most curious about her bedroom. But immediately after pledging not to,
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she breaks protocol and shares with Stephanie that someone has died in this house.
Did you research to confirm that somebody really did, in fact,
ask away here? Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. We bought the house from his family.
Oh, okay. And even, like, we're interested in the house.
I found his obituary because I wanted to know, like, what the person was like
that lived here. And we tried to be like super duper respectful,
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but I'm already telling too many things. So, yeah.
There's, I feel like two different males here.
One I don't think is here all the time. One I think just kind of floats in and
out. But I was just sitting here chatting with you. I'm also getting a woman here too.
More like she's dressed in almost like kind of as like 1950s,
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1960s and very much like the hairstyle of that period.
Period you're so spot on so feel so
far that's why i'm like maybe i should go outside and you
guys should walk around and but i can't tell if her relationship to i think
she's potentially tied to one of the males here but not the other one oh so
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i think there's two different things going on here like i said and i yeah and
just have to spend more time and yeah.
I mean, do you want to, like, walk around the house? That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, just, like, take us to roll around the house.
All right, yeah, I'll go wander around the house. Are you okay with that?
Yeah. Sorry, I'm taking my shoes off. Is that okay? Oh, and I have Golden Girl socks on.
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Music.
That's okay.
Okay, we're done setting up expectations and getting Stephanie's feelings in
the living room. So we continue our investigation by going downstairs,
a seemingly more creepy area of the house.
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This is the garage, laundry room, bathroom area.
It's very well lit. It does not feel like a basement to me. Have you guys seen this?
The way the house is constructed is a little weird.
She's opening a little door in the basement. There's like a sump there.
Does it flood in all rates here?
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We poke around for a little bit. I like how organized Chad's tools are.
I like how organized this whole place is.
I know, we're not. Our garage looks like a bunch of hoarders live in our house.
And I didn't bring any stuff with me either. For me, I really just think it's
all about a voice recorder and camera.
And that we're supposed to say, Sorry.
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We're being loud, so we are. We can't help it. Then make our way back up two stairs.
This is technically the second floor, and we're going to the third floor.
Oh, yeah, because it's a trilateral. We're going to have a fourth floor.
There's like secret stairs everywhere. So this is my closet room.
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Bedroom number one, Dawn calls her closet room, and that's what it is.
On the right are vintage clothes hung up and suitcases and a mannequin.
On the left is a little seating area with a mirror and pin-up style prints.
And there's a small closet filled with shoes and socks in labeled bins.
Reading your labels on your thing. Rad socks.
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I know, that's why I was like, are they really rad? I was like,
yes, they are. They're from back in the day. They're so rad,
they get a label that says rad socks on it.
Special stockings. Is that the mannequin? Mm-hmm.
She's very pouty and salty. She seems harmless. we
make our way into bedroom number two a proper bedroom
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with a bed covered in a yellow bedspread with
birds dawn cracks open the little closet if
you need to look in closets i don't know if you do no i'm i'm still scared of
closets yeah okay i will say though in a non-ghost way your closets are big
yeah in a non-ghost way yeah for an older house they're quite big yes except
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for the one that And Chad uses, unfortunately for him.
I get a whole room and he gets a tiny closet.
Honestly, it's a lovely room. The dresser is covered with beautiful framed wedding
photos of Chad and Dawn's parents and grandparents.
So we don't spend a whole lot of time in here. Pretty quickly heading up to
the fourth floor, Chad's room.
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We've got a attic space here. Yeah.
Don, you hella cleaned your house before we got here. No. Really?
Chad vacuumed in here because he's...
But can I show you guys this?
Wow. So you know how Chad's drawer was. Oh my God. He did the Marie Kondo folding?
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That's how my shirt's all folded? He doesn't even know who Marie Kondo is.
Oh. This is just who he is.
This is the most shocking thing that we've seen thus far. Chad's t-shirts are
carefully folded in the drawer.
At least 20 of them. Perfectly fitted.
You do your shirts like that too? Mine was the Marie Kondo thing because it
saves a tremendous amount of space. And I have so many band t-shirts. Yeah.
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That was a lot of shirts in that. Yeah. Well, these are huge.
It's like a bachelor's wrestler and it's big. And then this is his closet.
And there's another attic in there.
His closet is equally organized. It's impressive.
Adidas, Tons, Pygher. Oh, yeah. They're shoes.
He's labeled his shoes. He should have a series on organization.
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Yeah, that's impressive.
I think he has a label on his label machine.
Music.
So that's the whole house. Your house is quiet.
Yeah. It's a beautiful day and the house feels good. Yeah, we just had that
rain. Like everything seems fresh.
Music.
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Don and I go outside to give Stephanie some alone time, and then Don pulls out
the original plans for her house in 1939.
Look at the design of the windows and the doors, this dripping moon.
Like, I totally want to have that. Oh, it had shutters. Yes,
and the house would look so much better with shutters.
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So I want to have these custom-made. crescents on there yeah was that the crescent
on the front door yeah it was on the front door,
and then it was even like on the garage that
looks like but i'm afraid people will
think it's like an outhouse symbol these are
so this is really neat yeah i know i love it
and so the this has just been passed down from owner yeah we found it in a garage
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after we like moved in we're only in the i think we're the third owners i didn't
find any records of the fourth this Because you can go to the store by the side
of Alameda, which is, I think, off Park Boulevard,
and pull all of the history, stuff like that.
Yeah, my sister, my sister's a genealogy freak, so she belongs to all those newspapers and stuff.
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Newspaper.com, I love that. And she found an article that has a picture of our
house being built and the neighbor's house, like, 90% done. And the article
is about how they're using power tools for the first time ever.
How fast it is to like saw wood and stuff using power tools.
I missed it. What are those dated? Or are they?
1939, I think. And then the house was completed in 1936.
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Music.
Is eager to hear what Stephanie thinks. All right, I want to hear,
like, your impressions.
So today, I don't really, I'm not feeling any male presence.
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I'm very much feeling a woman here today.
And she is, like, I don't know how to explain this.
Like, she's, like, she's very much looks like she's from the 60s, maybe 70s era.
And I think she's attached to the probably the
owners before you guys potentially but I she seems
like almost like it's walking back and forth between the room with the yellow
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and your dressing room so which room do you think has had the most things happen
in it or which rooms I think your dressing room and I think the yellow room
but the yellow room to me just seems like a area of
it seems heavy in there to me.
Like the person, it seems like they're in mourning. Like should I feel the person
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going back and forth? And maybe that's just today, that's what I'm getting.
But for the most part, I don't think that there's anything like that doesn't
feel heavy here or anything like that.
I just could feel like this woman kind of wandering back and forth and almost
like she's in mourning about something.
And maybe it's because we were talking about the person passed away.
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The last owner was a single man who passed away in
2011 so it seems like the woman would have
been the first owner yeah and then i believe
that the couple that built the house lived here yeah and so for me when we moved
in at first all i thought about was the previous owner who passed And the other
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couple could have passed away here, too. I don't know. I don't have that information.
But my neighbor has told me a lot about what he knows.
The man was an actual brick mason, and that's why the backyard is.
They build that patio in like 1950 because it's like signed
and then we found some stuff like a rock
that had love painted on it that someone buried in the the ground in the flower
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bed but he didn't know much about them but he was like yeah he was just very
like linear and like you know like it makes sense that the backyard looks the
way it does like it's all straight and angles and, you know, like blah, blah, blah.
Anyways, when we first moved in, I never felt comfortable in our bedroom.
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Like, I always felt like somebody was coming in there with us.
We went back up to the third floor where the bedroom and closet room are.
Stephanie feels drawn back into the closet room, where Dawn shares something new. I don't know.
It's funny because when I first came in this room, I feel like this room had
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the most energy and activity.
Yeah. But because I already knew that someone had passed away in that room,
I was like, you know, I'm going to focus on that room.
That room seems heavy because someone passed away here, which it does.
But I keep getting drawn back into this room. I know.
Okay, so I had my wedding shoes. Those guys. Oh, they're beautiful.
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They're just cheap. They're cute, though.
In a box. In a closet. Right here. Right?
Donna is pointing up at a box inside the closet on the left-hand shelf.
So let's say there was an earthquake that caused the box to come down and pop open.
Like, where would the shoes go?
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Like, probably right here, right? So I came into the room and I was like,
doop-de-doo, and I saw one shoe right here and one way over there.
She's pointing in the middle of the room and at the far end of the room,
Not at all near where a shoebox inside the closet might fall naturally.
And in my head, and this is how whatever I have works for me,
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I just hear statements. There's no emotion.
And it's in my own head voice. It's called your mind's eye.
Yeah. Yeah. I just walked in and I was like, oh, she wants me to know that she
doesn't think that I am a good wife.
Like, she doesn't approve of the type of wife I am because I don't cook for
my husband. in. I hate cleaning.
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I don't do his laundry. He takes care of himself completely.
I'm a total slob. And her symbol for that is like, how could you wear like red shoes at your wedding?
Like that's disgusting, you know, like, but I feel like over time,
she and I have worked it out.
But like sometimes, like one time I was sitting here and I used to have like stuff all across here.
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She was sitting at her little makeup table in front of a mirror when a hanger from the closet.
I'm putting on my makeup and all of a sudden this freaking hanger comes flying out of me.
And I just started laughing because I was like, man, you really have to pick
your moments because if I wasn't in here and that hanger was on the floor,
I would never have known you did that.
I would just be like, oh, that was just a hanger I threw on the floor.
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Were you putting on like red lipstick or anything like that when you were doing
your makeup? No, I think it was more we're just like, hey, I'm here.
Yeah. That time, that's all it felt like. And like, that's what I was laughing.
She seems very, cause the person I keep picking up on is definitely somebody
from the fifties, sixties era, but she seems very like of that time. Period.
Exactly. That's how I felt. I just felt like she was like someone who was very
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much of like, like she was probably, I'm going to guess in her thirties, in 1940, you know?
Music.
Shared something disturbing about the deed to her house. I mean,
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when we signed the paperwork for this house, I freaked out.
I was like, I'm not signing this because the very, very end was this codicil
about no people of color can live here unless they're a servant.
And I was like, I'm not signing this, you know, like, and it was on your current.
It's been there for 100 years on the for
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the deed yeah and i
was like no i'm not signing this till they change it and when the realtor's like
that could take years like just just acknowledge
that you're not okay with that but please just sign this
because i already wrote the checks for the commission you know like
but i really signed it under duress like you
know pointing that was kind of the mentality obviously people
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that were living here right she signed that original yeah
she probably didn't her husband been probably that original deep so
it also felt like you know the combination of us
was probably like kind of a shock yeah i still.
Music.
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Think she doesn't agree with me and my style but i do feel like they've just
made their peace with us for the most part but um i hope she's not stuck here
and not knowing where her husband is, that would be terrible.
No, I don't pick up that at all because I am also picking up,
the other two times I was here, I was definitely picking up a male figure.
Like I said, I wasn't sure if it was previous owner or the original owners,
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but the woman that I keep picking up on, the time period I'm picking up is the
50s and the 60s era, which would put her at about 50 years old.
And that's exactly who I can see
in my little beehive hair that's slightly gray. I wish I could see them.
I can't visualize them at all. Yeah.
Music.
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Sometimes I'm way off base with what I'm feeling and I always tell people like, am I off base?
And sometimes people will go, yeah, yeah, you are way off base.
And I'm like, well, then I'm picking up something from somewhere else.
I mean, I have no way to prove that you're off base except that you described
everything exactly as I sensed it over the years in my head. Yeah.
And also too, like, I don't know if the woman presence is more today because
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we're all women in the house right now. It could very well be that.
Music.
I will be waiting Is this a woman mourning her husband?
Has she been walking this house for 40 years? Is she a racist with 1940s views
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on multiracial marriage?
Is she uptight about Dawn's approach to wifing?
Music.
After this investigation, Dawn's sister did some research and found the couple
who moved into this house on Fernside when they were in their early 20s.
He was an Air Force officer and she, Georgianne, was described as to be army
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man's bride in an engagement announcement, though she was also a dancer. They had two daughters.
That led Dawn to wonder if maybe that's why Stephanie feels her walking between
the two bedrooms, still in the habit of checking on her little girls.
Music.
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As we start to wrap up and go our separate ways, in classic Dawn fashion,
she has a final question, and it's a big one.
With all that she's experienced, does Stephanie have a fear of dying?
So are you, do you have a fear of dying, Ro?
Yes and no. I feel like I have a fear of dying and a very tragic,
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like, horrible death that I will feel.
But I think, like, the accepting death that it's inevitable,
it's going to happen, I'm okay with that.
Like i'm terrified of dying either drowning
or a horrible like like i
had been decapitated in some way yeah when i was a
kid the religious aspect of it made me
a thousand times more terrified of dying and every
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time i thought something bad was happening i would just be like dear god
please don't send me to hell like i didn't care about heaven i was just
please don't send me to hell i know i haven't been perfect blah blah
and i would have dreams about what hell was for me
like I was like I know what's gonna happen when I get there you know
I told my mom and dad about that a few years ago
and they're like why didn't you tell us you were going through that and I was
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like I thought everybody experienced that because of religion you know like
I had such an intense fear of dying like and then I remember after the haunting
at my house and like many years later.
I remember I was on this airplane and there was crazy turbulence
and all my friends were like in a different part of the plane and I
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remember thinking what if like the plane exploded
right now and a fireball was coming right at
me how would I feel and I was like you know what I lived
a good life it was really fun you know like I'm happy
like it's okay and like after that moment like
of course same as you I don't want to be tortured or
experience like drowning or burning to
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death or something like that but like I don't have any fear that there's something
on the other side that's beautiful you know like and it's funny because you
would think religion would have given me that but it gave me like the opposite
of that and it wasn't until I like explored all these other possibilities for
myself I think that I finally got there you know yeah.
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How do you feel about dying totally
the same like i'm fine with leaving
the earth yeah i'm fine
with whatever's after that i think it's gonna be beautiful or
it will be nothing yeah i don't think
it will be bad i can't i can't imagine
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life would seem so pointless if
it was nothing thing i don't know why that's just how it feels to
me totally i'm gonna come back
and haunt people i don't like yeah and i'll
haunt their family's family oh my
gosh oh we haven't talked about near-death experiences because i'm like obsessed
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with those yes i love those stories they're amazing have you been on that site
that has the thousands of them no all over the world what is it He was a doctor
who was freaked out by having heard multiple stories.
Well, and I know there's a doctor that he had, or maybe it was a she,
had a near-death experience.
This one never had. So he's like 100% skeptic. Okay, he's just a...
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Doesn't believe in anything.
But he started having these people describe, like, I heard you say this to them.
And he was like, how do you know that I said that?
You know, like, they were like, yeah, you were talking about like the football
game or something, you know, like.
And then he just started... Like the person that was dead said what he was saying?
The person who passed away and then they revived them told him what they were
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saying during the operating, but also after they were dead.
Like, I could see you. You were saying this. You were doing that.
So he started, he was like, I want to scientifically investigate this.
So everybody gets the same questionnaire,
no matter where they are in the world. So there's thousands.
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Yeah. And it's fascinating, like, because, like, it's from all different,
like, religions, like, so, like, people that are Muslim, like,
have a different encounter, but there's, like...
Thread that ties everything together. Right. I mean, that's the thing that trips
me out is that there's so many commonalities in the stories. Yeah, exactly.
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The thread across stories is love.
The website is nderf.org Near Death Experience Research Foundation.
Music.
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Leaving dawn's house i was on a bit of a high the mysteries of the universe
can do that to us can't they or they can terrify us but since no lights flickered
and nothing came flying off shelves we got to just stay curious plus we didn't
open any portals to the netherworld so all in all a successful investigation.
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If you're not too weirded out already, tune in next time for one more paranormal party.
Music.
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