TransDimensional Mapping and Remote Viewing: A Journey Through Time and Consciousness

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Yay. Well, we can chat. There's nobody else here.
How are you? I'm doing great. How are you?
I'm good. I've heard a lot of good things about you. Oh, good Lord.
What? Nothing bad. No, just UFO Joe.
He says a lot of nice things about you. He used to be a part of my group about 25 years ago.

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He was a good remote viewer. and an interesting and kind person. I like him very much.
I've been trying to nudge him to come back to remote viewing.
He doesn't think he's good.
Oh, he is good. He is good. I mean, everybody, see, this is my big thing. This is my big thing.
And this is my truly my mission in remote viewing is to get everyone to understand

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that everyone is brilliant at it.
And I think that the methods derived from the military have done a huge disservice
because people think in terms of target, in terms of hit and miss,
when in reality, I believe that all data is relevant.
And it's a question of figuring out why you came up with what you came up with.

(01:16):
I don't think we make anything up in this. I think it's all real.
So Joe should come back. I agree.
Yeah, I hear what you were saying. I'm like, I was listening to,
it was a podcast I think you did with, I forgot who was in there.
It was a bunch of people. I think Des Smith was in there and you were talking
about like getting away from that militaristic language.

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And yeah, I agree with that.
Like, I just started learning like CRV a couple months ago.
And it's hard like when I'm seeing like all these other people and they're just
amazing. And it's like, they're always hitting.
And then when I'm like, I'm missing stuff, like, you know, sometimes I make

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contacts, sometimes I don't. And then I'm like, really hard on myself.
I'm like, what am I doing wrong? all like, you aren't doing anything wrong.
In fact, I am willing to bet, I'd bet like everything I own that every single
session you have ever done has been absolutely brilliant. It's just been misunderstood.
I really, this is what I do. And this is how I'm training people is to understand

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that every piece of data is relevant.
And so you might not be like, Like when we look at sessions online and people
say, wow, this is amazing.
It's always a sketch of something, right? Sometimes there's some written stuff.
Sometimes, you know, people will talk about, you know, more written things in a session.
But usually we're looking at sketches that look exactly like the photograph

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or exactly what you'd expect to see.
But the reality is you're there.
You're having this experience. You're actually there wherever this is.
Niagara Falls, battle in World War II, you know, something, the building of
the pyramids, whatever it is, you're literally there, and you're experiencing everything around you.

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So it may not look like the picture, because you might be focused in a different
direction, you might be focused on.
Something that's out of sight in the photograph.
You might be focused on what the meaning of what's happening is and not the visuals.
And so there are so many different layers to what you could be producing.

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So it just makes me so sad when people say, well, I only got this,
this, and this correct, and the rest of my work is wrong.
And that's wrong.
So I just taught this class a couple of weeks ago, five-day class.
It was the first class I have taught in 22 years.
And it was amazing.

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I had 10 students and in five days, they literally are doing better and understanding
their work better than viewers who have been at it for five years,
seriously, because I'm making them deconstruct their sessions.
They have to go through and evaluate every piece of data and justify it and

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come up with a reason why their mind decided to produce that.
And the more that they do, the more they realize that that's real.
What their mind is creating is real.
It's just not necessarily looks like the picture, but it's actual,
real, layered, intricate data.

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And usually, sometimes, you know, you put one word on your page and that word
has multiple meanings and our minds choose words often that have multiple meanings
that relate to whatever you're looking at.
Now, I hate the word target. I'll probably use it off and on tonight because
everybody knows what that means.
I call things expeditions or

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explorations. I call it having an experience instead of doing a session.
I just really don't like the military language. And so I'm trying to make it
accessible and understandable and actually more fun.
I'm blabbing too much. Somebody ask me something or say something.
Hello. Hey, Jamie. I'm so glad you're here.

(05:22):
Me too. Woohoo. I'm going to see you in less than two weeks.
I know. So excited. 13 days. Jamie's coming to my September class. Margie.
So what would you like to know jamie or do you have any any deep thoughts for us tonight,

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i don't know i don't even know what to ask,
yeah i don't know what to say this is the first space i'm doing and i did manage
to figure out how to allow people to speak and how to start the thing so doing
pretty good for an old lady well this is also my first twitter space so i'm
right there with you All right. Woo.

(06:05):
This is kind of fun. We can just sit back and chat.
We'll see whoever shows up. Hardly anyone noticed my post anywhere.
And, you know, that's fine.
So if it's just the three of us, we're going to have an amazing time.
I'm down with that, but hopefully more people come in. Yeah, it's all good.
So, Jamie, tell us about your background. Now, Margie's been learning CRV and is fairly new to it.

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So what's your background? out first of
all can you hear me okay you sound great okay i've started with trans-dimensional
systems with john john my friend john and then let's see i went through the
advanced crv with pam coronado okay.

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Read a lot of books, watched pretty much every video there was,
and kind of melded the trans-dimensional systems with the CRV.
Yeah. It was mostly the trans-dimensional stuff, but I didn't like how with
CRV, they tell you that you're not supposed to close your eyes.

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And then some people are like, well, you can.
Then others are like, well, if you're actually seeing things,
then it's an AOL. Well, I'm like, well, that's not right at all.
It's not right at all. Not even in the slightest.
But so, yeah, I did that. Been doing that since I think 2014, maybe 2016.

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I wrote the first Android target practice app ever.
Wow, that's awesome. I didn't like there was already one on iPhone,
but I didn't like that everything was online. I wanted something that I could
use offline in case we went on a cruise or something and there was no Internet available.
I could still pull up random targets.

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Right. But I don't actually know how to program that well.
So it never got updated and I lost the API key.
So when Google was telling me I had to update it, I couldn't.
And so it's not available anymore. They removed it.
I'm sorry about that. It's all right. I still have the app, you know? Yeah.

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So I give it to people for free now. I mean, it was only 99 cent before,
but so people ask me, do you still have that? I'm like, yep, I'll send it to you.
That's great. That's wonderful. So what kinds of targets did you put in there? Yeah.
Well, I had a section that was divided by gestalt.

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Okay. So I had like high energy stuff and then, you know, things with lots of
water, things with all of the different gestalts.
And then I had to where if you didn't, if you didn't, I'm trying to remember how it was laid out.
If you just hit quick, quick target, it would just pull randomly from one of
the 150 images that I had on there.

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Okay. I didn't have anything. I don't know.
I'm trying to think. Mostly like structures and the gestalts, the basic gestalts.
They were all royalty-free images, so I wouldn't get in trouble. Right.
So nothing super amazing, just targets.

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Okay. Well, that's pretty cool.
So there's like a new site out there that I saw people talking about,
out. And it's kind of an AI.
I don't even quite understand it. I went to it.
And it's supposed to evaluate your impressions and then show you what the target is.

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And so I went and I tried it out. And it was looking at it was ridiculous,
because the actual target was a an AI generated image.
So it wasn't even something real that you could grasp onto.
It was completely fake.
Which site? You know what? Let me see if I can find it. I saw it on the remote viewing Discord.

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And let me scroll back here. Let me see if I can find it.
While you're looking for that,
I've always wondered what it would be like to do a mind map on an AI.
Yeah, seriously. Wouldn't that be interesting?
Let's see. A mind map on an AI would be interesting. I've actually kind of looked
at different AIs that are in development and ones that are in kind of more secret

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development that aren't publicly available.
And you do get a lot of interesting stuff. It's not like a human mind,
but there are some parallels and it does have that kind of mechanical flavor to it.
It so it's not as i guess
maybe it's not as interesting as i would hope oh people

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talk a lot on this discord good lord where is this thing yeah
i was wondering if it would even work at all like if you even get
anything relevant or would it just be gibberish because
it doesn't actually have a mind it doesn't have
a mind not not not yet even the ones in
c kind of see more secretive development like you know things
that google or whatever companies are working

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on that they haven't released it's it is still it's just a computer it's just
a very comp you know complex algorithms but it's still just a computer but you
know there might be something very secretive in black ops that is a little more interesting.
Where is this thing? I thought it was in, maybe they put it in off topic.

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Yeah, I don't know. Have you guys been on the, oh, we've got somebody else. Welcome. Welcome.
Mike Conall, welcome to our exciting, exciting trans-dimensional mapping and
remote viewing space. My first space ever.
We've got four of us now and happy that you're here.
And what I'm doing right now is I'm looking for an AI site that I tried out

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the other day that was mentioned on the remote viewing discord.
And I cannot find it at the moment. It's somewhere.
Well, I'll find it later. And I'll post a link to it on on on my Facebook and
on Twitter and ask people for their opinions because it's ridiculous.
But it could be interesting the way that it the way that it's set up,

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it perhaps has some potential to evaluate what you put in,
but it's also expecting you to generate a result through remote viewing that
matches what they would expect you to generate.
And what I'm doing, I'm inviting people to go deeper and to actually explore
things through metaphor and comparison, analogy.

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All these kinds of things, because I think that you actually get more broad,
deeper experience of what you're looking at,
what you're you know the experience that you're having the target so anyway
i don't know where it is but i will find it and i'll post it on twitter and
on facebook and ask for thoughts,

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so what would you guys like to talk about i want to know your opinion about viewing static images,
versus viewing like i know we don't actually go to the site but our perceptions
go to the site so thoughts on that?
Yeah, I think that we are actually at the site, that we really are.

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It's not just that we're thinking about it.
I think that we're actually there, that a part of us exists in that space.
And so that's why we're able to experience in such vivid, rich detail,
sights and smells, textures, sounds, temperatures, all of these things to me.
I feel like I have, Well, I mean, I've been doing it for 30 years.

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And so I feel like I have a deep and real experience every time that I do something.
And a static photo. So when you're remote viewing a static photo,
I believe that you're not viewing the photo.
You're there at that time that photo was taken. So...
If it were a photo, I had just posted this essay on my No Ribbit site the other

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day about what I've been doing for the past 20 years. And it's just a lot of crazy stuff.
But I do say in there, because it's also kind of a meditation on remote viewing
and how everything's kind of connected,
that if you were to remote view a photograph of me, like like 15 years ago at
one of my kids' birthday parties.

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And you might pick up my African gray parrot, even though he's not in the photo,
but he was there at the time in a corner, not taken by the photographer.
And so, you know, if you had drawn a parrot and talked about my love for the
parrot and did a deep mind probe on me and discovered that I was thinking about

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my parent at that moment,
you'd look at your work and you'd say, wow, boy, did I blow this one. I missed this target.
When in reality, you actually were there.
And so I think that there is no difference between viewing a photograph and
say a written prompt describing that the viewer should remote view a particular event.

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I think it's exactly the same. Now, an AI photograph, I think that's a whole other can of worms.
So, I don't want to view artificial intelligence-created photographs.
I did the one, as I mentioned earlier, and it was a completely unsatisfactory
experience because it didn't feel real to me. It felt like a story.

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It felt fake. fake and that's like what i was relaying
in the i just did like a 10 minute session on it
because i was trying out that app but i just knew
it wasn't real i knew off the top because it didn't have any any anything there
was i couldn't smell anything i couldn't feel anything and i am what i would

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call a conceptual viewer not a visual viewer i generally know i mean in 30 years
i've developed a lot of visual ability with remote viewing.
But when I started, I would have labeled myself a conceptual viewer if I had
thought of things in terms like that at that time.
And so somebody who's a more conceptual viewer, you know what's happening,

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you know what's going on, you understand the event or the situation,
or the place, you understand its meaning, you understand everything about it.
And I think that remote viewers can essentially be put into three different
categories of visual, conceptual, and emotional.
And we can get all kinds of data. Everybody can.

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But I think that every one of us has a strength in one of those three areas. And so when you're.
You know, promoting their big hits and remote viewing. Most of the time,
those very visual remote viewers, not necessarily conceptual or emotional.
Emotional viewers are the people that really connect to the emotions of a place

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or of whatever beings are there, people, animals, aliens, if they're doing esoteric stuff.
And they really understand that kind of a depth and they'll see it through the
eyes of the people or the animals that they're viewing.
And that gives a completely different viewpoint and a completely different description

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of what's happening relative to somebody who's very visual or somebody who's very conceptual.
And so if you're doing operations work and you want to find out something for
a client, say you're working for the FBI,
you're trying to find a missing person, you really want all three kinds of viewers
on your team because you want the visual person to be able to draw where the missing person is.

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Because you want the conceptual viewer to understand what's actually happening
with that missing person, whether they were abducted or they ran off or they're
dead, whatever the case may be.
And you want the emotional remote viewer to be able to get into the mind of
really understand what's happening with that person or with the perpetrator,

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if there's a perpetrator.
So, it takes all three kinds, takes a village really to do this work.
And I mean, the more you do, the better you get at all aspects of it.
I mean, I'm way better visual remote viewer than I was 30 years ago,
way better emotional viewer than I was 30 years ago.
I'm still mostly conceptual, I'm still highly conceptual and I'm always going

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to know immediately what's happening.
But you can develop all these skills. And I think I've gone off the tracks here
and I'm answering other questions. Sorry.
Anyone have a question? Margie, you got a question? I see your hand up.

(19:19):
Yeah. It's just like Jamie was saying, like when I first started learning about
remote viewing, I was told over and over again, do not close your eyes.
And so like the first
time like i attempted quote unquote remote
viewing yeah a long story but there's
there's a guy that does like remote viewing spaces

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on x and you know so supposedly like the targets in an envelope or whatever
but what i realized yeah what i realized over time good oh i was just saying
yeah i know i know who you're talking about i can't think of his name but Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that his he goes by the astral.

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But what I realized over time that it was more of like a clairvoyance test and
not so much remote viewing.
And, but at that time, like the first time I tried it, like I just closed my eyes for a few seconds.
And I like got the border of whatever was the center of that image.
And then later, like I like like my eyes are open and then I sense like the

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rest of the image, like there were trees and there were leaves on the ground.
And then and like I knew the colors and everything.
And then when I saw like when he revealed the target, I'm like,
that's oh, God, like I didn't get every single like detail.
But yeah, it was probably like 80 or 90 percent. And I was like, OK, maybe this is weird.

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Is this a fluke? and I tried it again the second time the second time I got
like I saw the thing like it wasn't border like and then after a while like
like I kept doing that like,
Like I would just see the target number and then I would see the thing. Yeah.
Yeah. But it was, it was like when I wasn't even trying. So I'd see the number and it popped in my head.

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And after a while it wasn't clear anymore or getting fuzzy or then the AOL started like coming in.
And I'm like, you know, like your brain is trying to figure out like what this
image is and I'll use your memory or imagination and I'll turn it into something else.
And then I'm like, it's like I had a knowing, like, it's not this.
It's you know it's something else i i you know

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but your subconscious always trying to help like how do
you feel about like the thoughts of aol's and you know how all that works with
imagination memory yeah so so i don't you know when when you're remote viewing
it's it's you're trying to solve a problem you kind of go into that with that
mindset i want to i want to know what this I want to figure out what this is.

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And it's much like trying to fix your car. So say your fuel pump is broken.
And I don't know anything about cars. I had a fuel pump go out in the car.
That's why I'm saying that. But so you...
So you're trying to solve a problem when you're trying to fix your car and you're
looking at all of the different, you know, aspects in your car and you're trying

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to figure out and you think, well, maybe it's this or you think,
oh, this is like the time when this happened.
And so you're using comparison and metaphor and analogy whenever you solve a
problem. And it's the same in remote viewing.
So I don't believe that AOLs should be discarded. I think that they are full of data.

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And what I've kind of developed over the past 20 some odd years are these mapping
techniques where you deconstruct your AOLs, whatever conclusions that you come
to in the course of a session.
I mean, sometimes the conclusion is what the thing is, but sometimes there's
a lot of hidden meaning in it and your mind is trying to scream at you. It's like this.

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It's like when mom did this or it's like that trip to Disneyland or it's like this.
And so that's why you get an AOL. well.
It's because your mind is trying to compare what's happening there at the target,
you know, in the midst of your experience, and it's yelling at you.

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And I think that, you know, the more that you work on deconstructing these in
the middle of a session, not necessarily at the end,
that the better you get, and the more you're training your mind to give you
more data that anyone could understand,
you know, data that's more direct data that anyone that you would give your
results to could understand at the beginning, new viewers, they do a lot of

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they do a lot of metaphor, they do a lot of comparison.
A lot of the data is is riddled with, with things from their past from their
culture, from their religious or spiritual upbringing, from their ideas about
the world from their personal philosophy. And so...
All of these things come out in the middle of a session, but they are,

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but they are completely relevant, completely.
And so you start breaking it down. Now on the 19th, I'm doing a lecture on,
on my mapping techniques and we deep dive into it.
And I'm going to show tons and tons of examples from my students in my own work
and show how you deconstruct that data.

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Like I gave one of, because my students from August, from a couple of weeks ago,
they are now, they have their own private Facebook group and I'm giving them
homework every day and they're posting their sessions there and they're talking
about them. And it's so wonderful to see what they're doing.
Like one of the things that I gave them was the winner of the upcoming presidential election.

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And so one viewer she started her
session and she's drawing and she's very visual viewer but
but she also i say she's half visual half kind of
conceptual and so she starts drawing pyramids and then
and so the first couple of pages she's drawing pyramids and she has you know
i mean you call what she was writing all the stuff she was writing aol but then

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she gets to the mapping section she starts deconstructing and she realizes that
it's not a pyramid the reason her mind was producing a pyramid was because she
was, it was a foundation.
She writes, it's a foundation. This
is the government. This is the seat of government we're talking about.
That's literally what she writes. And she writes it, you know,
under her pyramids and she's connecting the pyramids to the other data in the session.

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So what the mapping does is it allows you to start making connections.
And when you start making these connections
and you realize what something actually is, what it stands for.
So she had a pyramid and she realized that's the government.
And by the end of it, she knew that we were talking about the winner of the election.
She absolutely knew. And she's writing all this down, that this is,

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we're talking about the winner of presidential election.
And so, you know,
It was just really interesting to see how the students picked it up and how
they're deconstructing these analytic overlays or deductions,
as they call it in Farsight or whatever.
But it's real data. And if you start working with it, you can pull it apart

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and realize what it stands for, what the symbology is behind it.
So I don't know if that answers your question, but that's how I look at it.
I believe every single piece of data is relevant, 100% accurate and real.
That's my mantra is you get what you get. My students get so sick of me saying
that, that I have to kind of beat it into their heads because at the beginning,

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they're like, I was wrong.
I was wrong. I didn't get it. It's just completely off. And I have to show them, no, no, no, no, no.
Look at this. Why did you put this? And they start thinking about it.
And then they realize, oh, you're right.
That means this, doesn't it? I'm like, yeah, maybe it does. and make this connection.
What do you think? Why did you put this? Why did you draw this and then write

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these words? How do they relate?
And it's that relationship that can illuminate what's actually happening.
So I think the relationship points between all the different pieces of data
that you get are extraordinarily important.
And that isn't done in the more traditional remote viewing methods.
You're not supposed to try to draw lines together or build a narrative,

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but that's what I'm teaching students to do.
So, okay, let's see.
Mike Conall, we haven't heard from you. Say something.
Hi, how's my audio? You sound awesome. Can you hear me? Okay, great. Hi, Margie.
My name is Michael Malivos.
Happy to, thank you for inviting me. I find what you're talking about really interesting.

(28:00):
Thing i had i had
actually never heard of like the conceptual or
female viewer yeah for how much
emotional and uh of visual and i
think about it like i'm in a computer science and And I think about like a curve

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half of nodes and their edges.
Yeah. Sorry, I have a stutter. I'm going to ruin your recording.
You are absolutely not going to ruin my recording. There's absolutely no way. Okay?
You are beautiful. Thank you for making me feel comfortable. Okay.

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And I've actually, I've always thought about it in that way.
Has ever since I learned about how the subconscious speaks to you in metaphor,
like not exactly the thing it tries to associate,

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you know, like your experiences, how you mentioned past history.
And so I would suggest you, if you have a link to your talk on the 19th, to post it up.
I'd be really interested in learning more.
And if you can speak on how do you think of the algorithm of nodes and edges

(29:37):
and how to extract the meaning, I guess.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll definitely post the link up on Twitter and,
and everywhere else. And you can find it on my website, no rivets.com.
And it's a zoom and every everyone's welcome.
Come on in on zoom, I can host up to like 1000 people.

(29:57):
I mean, we're not going to get 1000 people, but over 100 have signed up so far.
And, and I'm doing an hour of lecture, and then an hour of q&a.
And so you can Throw all your questions at me after I give the big old lecture.
But yeah, I'm going to show exactly what I do and how you can deconstruct it,

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how you can go from some kind of conclusion that you've come to in the middle
of a session, right there in the middle of the session,
that's the best place to do it, not later on, and how you can...
How you can deconstruct it and the way you do it is by
relating it to the other data that comes out
because if you have a pyramid and then you're getting

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something about a city you know city streets well there's a relationship there
and so there's a way there's i have these little techniques and it's really
fun and we use a lot we use big huge pieces of paper like really big like i
i you can get a huge roll of paper and cut pieces or you can get a big huge art pad.

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And tear a piece out of that big, huge pieces of paper.
I think that that's really important for this so that you have a lot of space
to explore all these relationships.
And we use colors to markers and crayons and pens, all kinds of colors,
because the color that you choose and the texture that you choose tells you something about it.
So like the class that I, that I recently taught,

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one of the things that i gave them to
view was the filming of the movie the
wizard of oz and so the this
one woman in the class she she takes her yell a
yellow crayon out and she draws a road
with the yellow crayon and she wasn't thinking about it she just knew she should

(31:42):
use yellow and of course it's followed the yellow brick road right so it was
amazing to see all of this data to come to such vibrant life using color.
She drew Dorothy, drew her with the blonde hair, drew her with a big dress on and a blue sash.
And then she was able to, by the end of it, she knew that there was a girl on

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a journey to see a wizard.
And she drew the wizard, drew a castle. She had the whole thing down.
But if you looked at her first pages, you would think this woman is way off.
There's no way she's going, that she's actually getting this.
You'd think that if this were a traditional CRV session or, you know, SRV, TRV, XYZRV,

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You'd look at it and say, wow, that's wrong. But in the mapping,
she was able to build the real narrative.
And that's what happens with this when you start looking at every piece of data is real.
So yeah, you've got to come to the lecture. I really hope you're there,
Michael. I'm so glad you're here tonight. And that was a great question. And thank you.
So, so okay, Jamie's got his hand up. You're next. Hello again. Hello again.

(32:53):
Did I dream this because I can't find it anywhere now, but did you at one point
mention that your new system has
a better way to induce like bilocation or makes it easier or something?
Or did I imagine that? Yeah. You did not imagine that. You did not imagine that.
All of my students experienced that just in five days.

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They all had just really deep bilocation experiences. It really freaked one
woman out in the class, not the Wizard of Oz lady, a different one.
And she, a couple of times, had massive bilocation experiences.
One, she was remote viewing a deep sea diver underwater.
And she was, I was looking at her and she's swaying back and forth.
And I walked over and said, I said, are you okay?

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And she's like, I feel like I'm underwater. I can't breathe. I'm underwater.
So, you know, she was really deep into it and she could see everything around her.
So, yeah, I think that the mapping does that because you're starting to pick
apart the surface level, the surface conscious waking level where you're trying,
where your left brain is trying to organize and construct a story and.

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Allows you to get way deeper in
the experience. So you will definitely be experiencing that in two weeks.
Awesome. I'm excited for that because I'm a very visual viewer and I've never
had a by location experience.
I've come really close, but not quite there.
Oh, well, I'm glad you're coming to the class. You're going to have an amazing
time, especially if you're a visual viewer.

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You're going to love the mapping because that's right. We'll be right up your alley.
You'll have a lot of fun with that. Visual viewers are really, everyone loves it.
Everyone loves it. and it'll be super fun yeah awesome yeah we lost a couple
people i guess i'm pretty boring.
Technical remote viewing talk well there were there were a few people that told

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me that they were going to drop in for a minute but astral's having his space
tonight yeah it's not really
about remote i mean he says it's about remote viewing
but he just reveals the target like you know at the last like five or ten minutes
but most of the space is just you know about ufos and nhis and stuff like that

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and so that's his thing so yeah thursday nights um yeah yeah,
no worries you know you're doing you're doing good trust me my first space i
had no one come in for hours.
So you are doing good. It took me a while. Every now and then I'll have a space

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and I'll have a few people come in.
One night I stayed in a space and it was the night,
of well it was the day of like when trump got
shot you know oh my god yeah yeah so
i had a space at night i was wondering like maybe someone would come in and
i'm like dang no one came in and i waited and i was just about to like close

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the space up and then i just had this feeling a sense like look in the feed
so i was looking up and then i was seeing some sessions that daz had put that
they had like for the shooting and everything for his, his remote viewing group. And I was reading that.
And then like, I had the space minimized and then I looked down and I saw a plus one.

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And I was like, someone is there.
I opened it up. It was dad's. That was the first time I talked to him. So I was like, whoa.
Yeah. He's really nice. But yeah, you're doing really good.
He's cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh down in the x spaces

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we call it a little purple thing down there like with
someone will have like a reply or a comment like on your
space we call it the purple pill and if
there are replies down there or on someone
else's post like if you want to highlight it we throw
it into well some people call it the jumbotron other people call it the nest

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so you can okay i just noticed that good lord okay yeah oh john strater he he
runs the ufo hot spot and he lives here in albuquerque he's part of my ufo group
so he just said he couldn't make it because he's at the state fair,
albuquerque we're in at albuquerque new mexico and it's the new mexico state

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fair this week and so he's living it up totally understand like everybody knows strater on here yeah.
Yeah, he's going to stream our UFO conference in April on Spaces.
That'll be super fun. Oh, that sounds awesome. Yeah.

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Yeah, we have some good speakers. Danny Sheehan, Stephen Bassett,
Linda Moulton-Howe is going to be our keynote speaker.
And I don't have her up on the website yet because I'm still waiting for her
bio and photograph. She's taking her time.
But we have a lot of cool speakers. Greg Bishop, who I really love.
I'm excited about it. And I'm going to be talking about remote viewing and UFOs.

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So it should be a good time.
Anyone wants to come to albuquerque for that the day after the
monday after the conference i'm going to do a whole day long absolutely free
remote viewing extravaganza for
any remote viewers who come to the conference so it should
be it'll be really fun i don't know
if mike had told you but he does have a

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he does have a website that is
it's in beta mode and is for remote viewing
and yeah so you know so i think it's really cool that um he was trying to that
he is building is in the process of building that because i think it's when
you're sometimes you know if you don't have a remote viewing partner to work

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with it is kind of nice to have something you can go to,
and you know get a target and stuff he does
i did get on him a little bit hopefully hopefully came
across gentle but there are
a few like pictures that are AI but that's understandable sometimes like if
you're pulling like stock images and stuff but yeah but I think that's really

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cool so I just wanted to highlight that he had that because I thought it was
awesome oh that sounds great yeah I'll have to check that out where can I find it.
It's at intuizen.com okay Okay.
And I can message you afterwards and we can have a.
Yeah, I would love to check that out. Do you have any other words about it? Very cool. Awesome.

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I know that you had mentioned another AI website earlier.
And I coined it. And I have it in my notes, I think. Another one.
I'll see if I can dig it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not the one. It's not yours.
It's a different one. And it was kind of weird. and it was like all AI images
because I kind of clicked through and it was literally all AI.

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And some of them were like people with six fingers.
It was just a little weird, you know, some of the not so great AI images.
But, you know, I guess a good job for trying there.
So a little weird. But yeah, so I'm really excited to check out yours.

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Yeah, I actually, I have a...
To to meet on my profile knowing how i use the ai to actually deconstruct which
is uh what you were saying the photo into like a scene.

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Path of like having a mountain and then the river and then the relationship maybe to.
Kingdom be because i think that
it's possible to do and
i i thought it was an interesting
way to analyze i guess

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like the performance of an rv and and so
yeah oh very cool as well okay
yeah well i definitely want to check this out that sounds very
interesting to me yeah good job
i like it when people think about you know
how to analyze something because it makes you look at remote viewing a little

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differently you can start thinking about how pieces come together what are the
important aspects you know what are the aspects under the surface what draws
everything together and you know there's there's so much in anything even if
you're looking at just something simple like a rock, there's so much there.

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It's the history of that rock, how it was formed, where it is,
its place in time, how the world has changed around it over millennia.
A rock can be a fascinating thing to remote view and have many layers of data.
So, you know, sometimes we get stuck up on just drawing the rock when you might

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be describing describing everything about that rock's world.
And that's just as valid.
So, so what are some really cool things you guys, you guys are all remote viewers.
So what are some cool things you guys have remote viewed? I would like to know.
Um, I, I was in a trial for like remote view and they were doing like ARV.
So it was, it was pretty cognitive ARV.

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So yeah. And I.
I remote viewed Seoul, South Korea, and this place called Noodle Island,
which was really, really crazy.
I mean, it was really bad for the trial for me, my score, because I'm like,
I actually was going to the place and I couldn't, I'm like, I don't know.

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I'm like, I wasn't getting the static image.
I mean, I did get that later when I started sketching, but
yeah but then i'm like i have a block
of bridges like i don't like bridges i'm terrified
of them right so yeah like like
in my city there's like two bridges and when i was a child you know
dad would take us across this bridge it was so raggedy and

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and it was shake and there was a railroad right across
and the lane was super super narrow so i
like absolutely terrified bridges just right so
i was viewing this thing and i'm like
i'm feeling all this water and then land and
stuff it was so weird because i kept saying i'm like i'm thinking it's a
sea now i'm like no it's a river it can't be a river this river is it's too

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wide to be rivers unless it is a river and something like the amazon or something
those going back and forth and and i have a really bad habit of like not you
know documenting all my data so i was thinking like maybe sometimes i I should
actually like record a video.
I don't know. I just don't write everything down. I think I'm doing too much or whatever.
But yeah, it was like, it was amazing to me because it was just feeling all

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of the sight and feeling, I've never felt that much of anything before.
And it's like, when I started sketching and stuff in stage three,
you know, I'm like, it's like drawing the water and like the line and it was
like a beach and everything.
Everything, and then I was feeling all of the structures and stuff on this thing, and I'm like,

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this can't, this is, it didn't make sense to me, and I'm like,
I know, like, I probably should go with the flow, but it's kind of hard,
because I'm, like, really analytical, so I kept, like,
telling myself, this can't be this, because it was feeling like it's an island
in the river, or the sea, whatever it was, I'm like, it just didn't make sense to me, logically,
but I was feeling all the structures on this island, and then across it,

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I was feeling this giant metropolitan area, and.
Then it's like, I don't know, it's kind of like I had this sense or whisper,
there's a bridge, like dummy.
And I'm like, no. I was like, no. And it was like, it was the feeling like I
wanted to just like rip that.

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I had like a second page I was drawing. It was like a huge page.
My drawings are really, really simple most of the time. But this time I was
like, it was just so much water. I just felt like I need to draw this,
like, you know, all this water.
And i was like i wanted to like just you know
just tear it up and just draw it again with the
water and everything and then draw the bridge over and i'm like and i didn't

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want to do it and all of a sudden i started getting like visual flashes it was
like it was like coming it's so weird to kind of like explain it like imagine
if there was like you know if you had like a photo in a frame or like a holographic image,
like, like on our, like imagine like a widescreen TV. Right.
But it's, you know, no frame or anything. It's just the image.

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And it's like slamming into the back of my head. And there was this black fuzzy thing over the water.
And I'm like, it kept hitting so hard and was giving me headaches. I'm like, I'm done.
So I was like, get it. I'm just going to turn it to sand.
Yeah. But I did really, really bad. Like with the, the scoring of that one.
But yeah, Later on, and there was even more to it, too.

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I had this really weird advanced visual before I even did the session the next day.
And the advanced visual didn't make sense to me either.
And I kept seeing it. It was like a cave, but it wasn't a cave.
It was like this enclosed place.
And I kept thinking, it's either a cave or a tunnel or a bridge.

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And then it was like I think there's a road like no, it's not a road and then
it came to me I'm like, no, it's a railroad track there.
Am I going through this thing? What can't be a cave? It has to be a tunnel or
a bridge and then I felt a train and,
And then I'm like, the cue was there's no transportation devices. So it can't be a train.

(47:00):
So I'm deleting it and thinking there's no train. But anyway,
so when I did the session, I did declare that, you know, the AV.
And then it was just weird. So like when I got back and everything and you don't
know like where the place is.
So I'm kind of good at finding things like online and stuff.
So I did find I found a picture that matched the picture, like almost exact.

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And i figured out it was in korea and
everything we get this is all it's so funny to
me um i was talking to a friend of mine which is like
my it's my rv mentor and i was
feeling really bad about it because i didn't really want to show him my you
know my session data and i'm like like my transcript because i'm like i was
like feeling defeated like a failure and um so i waited like two or three days

(47:46):
or something before i showed him and i i asked him if he mined and he's like
no it's fine so i I showed it to him and everything.
And then he was like, Margie, look at the AV.
I'm like, okay. So I went back and looked and he sent me this picture of a bridge,
of a side view of a bridge with railroad tracks.
And I was like, oh, my God, I never even thought about that.

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And then I went back to the picture, the feedback photo.
And I zoomed in this feedback photo. And guess what?
This feedback photo like had multiple bridges so i don't i think one two three
four like four or five something bridges it but the second bridge in the photo
zoomed in there was actually a train.

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Wow that's awesome see see you were there you were there actually yeah i know
i was like it's amazing but you know like about like i said i still disappointed
because you know i'm not Not getting static images,
but I'm good at going to the site, apparently.
Yeah, well, yeah, static images, you are going to the site. You're not looking

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at an image. This is what people don't get sometimes.
You're actually there at the time that photo was taken.
You know, maybe a little before, maybe a little after.
In the middle of a session, you can even say, take me forward in time.
Take me backward in time. I want to look above.
I want to look, you know, below. I want to go inside.
I want to go outside. side. I want to circle 360 degrees around.

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You can give yourself these kinds of directions in the middle of a session and
explore it even further, which is super cool to do.
But you mentioned earlier that... Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No,
I was just going to ask, can you ask yourself questions?
I always do. Every single question I do. Yeah, I'll say, okay.

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Yeah, I'll be like, okay, hey, I want to look at it because if I'm not really
sure where I am and I want to get a better view, I'll say, I want to look above.
So take me above and my mind will take me above and I can look at it from above,
perceive it from above. Or I'll say, go inside.
Let's go inside. Or I'll say, what is the most important thing I need to know here?

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Or I'll say, who is this person? Or I'll say, why is this important?
Or I'll say, take me, you know, 10 years forward in time, or if it's if it's
a really big event, like there's lots of people, there's clearly something really
important happening here.
Then I'll say, I'll even ask, I'll even ask a question like,

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what will people say about this in the future?
Because then that, that often gives you really cool data because it kind of
encapsulates the event for you.
Instead of being in the middle of the chaos, you get kind of like too long, didn't read notes.
You can ask yourself anything in the middle of a session, absolutely anything.

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And, oh, and the one thing I was going to say is, you mentioned that sometimes,
you know, you don't write everything down.
You can absolutely, you can, you can audio record and say things out loud, you can video record.
And sometimes, because I do both of those things, not all the time,
but sometimes, and like you can, if you video record, you'll often find yourself
watching yourself later.

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And you'll say, Oh, my gosh, I, my hands or my arms or my legs,
or my whole body was moving in this particular way.
And that was something that was happening there.
And I didn't write it down because I didn't even realize I was doing it.
Our body holds so much data. It doesn't come from just our heads.
We always think, you know, it's coming out of our heads, but it's our whole bodies.

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I mean, scientists have even shown that we've got neurons in our gut,
right? You know, that's the whole seed of that.
Your gut is the seed of your intuition, right? You've got a gut feeling.
That, you know, that people have said that for eons, but it's actually true.
We've got neurons there. It's like almost like a second brain research has shown this.
And so I think our whole bodies can, can give us information about what's there.

(51:52):
And it's important to pay attention to all those different cues.
So yeah, I've just, I've done so much and thought about this for so long.
And it was so good taking all that time off 20 plus years off from the public
field, because Because it's so easy to get caught up into what other people
say about it and other people's ideas and just the tradition.

(52:13):
This is because there's like a been kind of a tradition established with CRV
protocols and related protocols that that this is the way to do it, the right way to do it.
That that a lot of people can't get outside of that and just being able to throw
it all away and kind of start from the ground up.
That's what I decided to do and figure out what's what's the best way.

(52:34):
Way, I know that this data is real.
Way back when I had trans-dimensional systems, I had posted this essay on the website.
This was, I don't know, 25 years ago now. It's long gone.
But the title of the essay is...
When a, when a dolphin is a woman in the rain,
and I started talking about metaphorical data way back then,

(52:56):
that was the first time I really thought about it, because john bivaco had done
a session for me, because I had trained him, and he was my second in command back there at TDS.
And so he had done the session, and I had given him this famous dolphin, Jojo the dolphin.
And this this female dolphin was very famous,
trained dolphin could do all these tricks, was kept

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in captivity and he had
drawn this picture of this woman in a raincoat
holding an umbrella and it was raining and
but he kept writing down that the that the raincoat felt weird almost felt like
velvet felt funny and he but every all of the words in his session really described

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a dolphin but the picture was a woman in the rain in a raincoat that was jojo
the dolphin right there.
He was trying, his mind was trying, you know, yelling at him,
it's raining, there's water, there's
like spray of water, there's all this stuff, it's a female, you know.
And so if you looked just at that, if you looked at those pictures,

(53:59):
you'd say, well, it's a miss, but it was such an incredible hit.
And that's when I first started realizing that the data was really multi-layered,
and we had to start thinking about it that way.
So So that's kind of when I first started saying, you get what you get,
and encouraging viewers to start looking at their data differently.

(54:19):
And then when I left, when I shut down TDS, and I kind of went underground and
decided to do other things in
my public life, you know, kept working on thinking about remote viewing.
That's where I started from. I started from that metaphorical data,
because I wanted to figure it out, figure out, At first, I was trying to figure

(54:42):
out how not to get metaphorical data, like how to get very direct data that
you would consider a hit.
That's where I first started thinking about it. I thought, well,
it's real and all this is real, but I would like to just draw the dolphin,
not a woman in a raincoat.
Like john did and so but after a

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while i realized no wait a minute maybe i lean into the
woman in a raincoat maybe i really start thinking about that
is the real data and take it from there and
that's when everything kind of exploded for me and i realized that that's where
that's how we process data that's how we tell stories remote viewing is storytelling
you're telling a story you are are relaying your story of having this amazing

(55:27):
experience at, at whatever you're viewing at the target.
You're having an amazing experience and you tell a story on paper and you give
that story to someone else to look at.
And you, you know, it's, it's beautiful really, if you think about it that way.
And so in storytelling and how, and how we talk to other people,
we, we never, we never say directly what something is when we have an experience

(55:52):
and we want to tell our sister
We don't simply say, I walked to the store and I bought this and then I saw
a yellow mailbox and I turned around and I walked home.
No, no. We say, oh my gosh, when I was at the store, it was just like the time
when mom took us to the store and this happened.

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You know, this is how we relate our experiences in our regular waking life.
And it's the same way in remote viewing. we relay our experiences in that same
way, by through metaphor, through comparison, through analogy, through word painting.
And, and so I leaned into it, like 20 years ago.
And since then, it's just become just so beautiful and real to me to understand this.

(56:38):
And so that that's when I started thinking about mapping and thinking about how we can.
Except that we're going to be telling a story and using all of these storytelling
tools and how we can deconstruct them so that somebody on the other end of the
session can look at the narrative you end up producing and understand what's actually there,

(57:04):
what the experience actually was in a more objective way.
So that's kind of the process that I went through over two decades was to really
start thinking about embracing that kind of data and working with it.
And it's been just marvelous.

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And it's really opened up the experience to a much deeper level.
Now every time it's a intensive, deep experience.
And I'm happy when I get a metaphor.
I'm happy when I get a so-called storyline going because then I know,
oh my God, my brain is really latched on to something and it's yelling at me.

(57:45):
It's really yelling at me. It's trying to compare this to something in my own
experience, because usually when you're remote viewing something,
it's something you've never experienced before, right? You've never been to World War II.
Maybe you've never been to Mount Rushmore or the Taj Mahal or whatever.
So you can only tell the story in the language that you already have.

(58:08):
And so the question is, how can you then break that language down,
break those stories down to tell something that anyone can see?
And understand so that's what i've been doing yeah i'm blabbing a lot so anyone
else want to say something yeah okay michael yeah i had a quick question about something you said,

(58:34):
as it relates to the uh real time nature of the mapping um like as they're.
As the viewer is in session, you mentioned, like, it's important to,
like, at that moment, and are you able to elaborate?

(59:00):
What is it about that real-time interaction that is important?
Yeah, I think that it's important to do it in real time and not to try to deconstruct it after the session.
I mean, when you're first for a very, very beginner, remote viewers,
a lot of times, it's really hard for them to deconstruct in the middle of a session.

(59:21):
So the first few sessions and in training, what I do is I just let people get
what they get. And then I have them deconstruct afterward.
But in order to actually progress, I think that it's important to start deconstructing
in the middle of the session.
And the reason that you want to do this is because it breaks apart heart,
the metaphor that you've come up with, or the or the so called storyline you've

(59:44):
come up with and allows you to see something from a different perspective and to understand why,
why you put why, like in the example I gave before, why, why did I draw a pyramid?
Why do I think there's a pyramid here?
And if you can deconstruct that and realize that that really stands for some
kind of foundation or seat of government, or as this particular viewer did in that case, then then

(01:00:07):
you're off and running in in a different direction and you can start getting
you know, you can start seeing other things around you because you're not stuck
on that one metaphor trying to you know going with that and trying and,
Not allowing yourself to see other things that are there.
Sometimes these things can kind
of it's not that they trip you up It's that the if you focus on it and.

(01:00:32):
You might not have the ability then to see everything else around you.
So it's so that's why I, I have everyone deconstruct things in the middle of a session.
So if you're getting something, you know, I want you to tell me why I want you
to say, what does this mean?
Why did my mind produce this piece of data in the middle of a session?

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And that's what the mapping does.
Because the way you do it is you're not like stopping the session and doing some kind of analysis.
That's not how it works. You on your big, huge mapping page,
you start putting all the pieces of your session together and you start drawing relationships.
So you have your pyramids say, but you also got different other pieces of data,

(01:01:14):
maybe that aren't pyramid like, or maybe they are because maybe it is a pyramid you're looking at.
So you start connecting those pieces
of data and you realize what's the connection between this and this.
And then you realize, oh, oh, the connection is that this stands for something else.
And then it allows you to go deeper into the experience.
And then you start feeling and tasting and smelling and touching more stuff

(01:01:38):
that's there, if that makes sense.
So it's a really interesting experience when it's hard at first to do.
To be honest, it's really hard for new viewers to do.
And for trained viewers, like the class I just taught, I was 10 students,
nine had never done anything in remote viewing, really.
And most of them came from my UFO group in my first class and really didn't

(01:02:01):
know much about remote viewing at all.
They really, I mean, they couldn't tell you anything about CRV or TRV or anything
like that. They just really had no clue. So they were starting from scratch.
And then I had one person in class came from California, and he had been a student studying CRV.
And one of those people that's like like obsessive about remote viewing been

(01:02:21):
doing it for a few years and had read everything watched everything knows every
you know knows who all the players are everything everybody.
And he had a really, he had the hardest time at the beginning because he had a hard time letting go.
And he kept saying, you can't do this. You can't do that. You can't,
you can't write down nouns.
You can't do this. And I'm like, no, no, you got to, you've got to in this method,

(01:02:44):
you've got to do these things.
But he kind of, like on the second half of day two, he broke through and he
realized, oh my God, this actually works.
The mapping works. And then he was off and running and had an amazing,
amazing experience and was getting just much deeper data.
And he said he's never had sessions like this before where he actually knew he was there.

(01:03:08):
He knew it. He knew it because he wasn't getting hung up on just keeping everything strictly low level,
just writing sensory impressions or, you know, trying to keep go through a matrix
and try to keep everything really on the low level,
discarding anything, any kind of conclusions.
When he realized he could embrace those conclusions and then break them down

(01:03:30):
and have like much richer data overall, he was thrilled.
So he said, I'd never go back to the traditional method. And he's having a blast
now doing his homework and stuff.
But so so that's why you do it in the middle of the session.
Because you want to go deeper into the experience, and you want to actually
understand more of what's happening there.

(01:03:53):
There and and that and it really works
it really does so yeah and
the lecture coming up on the 19th i'm going to show tons and tons
of examples of all different kinds of viewers and different you know emotional
viewers conceptual viewers visual viewers and how they approach the mapping
process and and these are all new viewers too so this isn't even because i mean

(01:04:13):
it's i've been a n equals one kind of person for 20 years working on this mapping
techniques i haven't worked with very many people on this.
So it's really amazing to me to see all that I've been working on for 22 years
going out there and people actually doing it.
And it's like, wow, it didn't just work for me. It's working for everybody.
So I can't wait for September class and got a class in October doing a little

(01:04:37):
two-day quickie online class in November.
And I had a five-day online class in December.
And I don't know if I'm going to teach after that. I think that may be it for me. I don't know.
I think I just want to continue my lecture series.
I'm going to put out a new lecture every few weeks. And I don't know if I'm
going to teach after that. I think that may be it for me.
Then I'm going to continue writing about it and talking about it.

(01:05:02):
But I just want to get this out there and have people have fun.
And hopefully it spreads and people will keep doing it and enjoying it.
And we'll see what happens.
So yeah, I don't know. Teaching, I love teaching.
I think I'm a very good teacher. I used to teach eighth grade. I love teaching.
I'm very good at it. I know how to work with students.

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But it's exhausting. And it takes a lot of time. So I just kind of want to do
a few classes and scatter it out there.
And hopefully, people take notice and find it interesting.
And maybe it's not for everybody, you know, totally okay with that,
too. But I think that it does take remote viewing to the next level.
I 100% believe that with like my whole heart and soul.

(01:05:47):
I think this is a really interesting way of doing this. I think it's a richer
experience and that you get way more. So we'll see.
But anyway, Jamie, you had something you wanted to say.
I was just earlier when you were asking about interesting sessions that we may have had.

(01:06:07):
Yeah. I thought of one. But before I go into that, another thing that I find
amazing about remote viewing is we had a target on the CoronaVisor, which I think it was.
It's I don't remember his name, but supposedly you can see into the past or whatever.
Right. I said it smells like pine and it and then for some reason the word spruce

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popped in my head and I know that's a type of wood. So I wrote it down.
But I had no idea at that time that spruce is a breed of pine.
I had no idea. So I love how RV, I mean, one of the early ways I knew it was
real is I was getting information that I did not know.
Like I did not know spruce was a pine.

(01:06:54):
Right. Exactly. Maybe I should since I'm an Eagle Scout, but I had no idea.
But anyway, one of the more interesting targets we ever did in a group I was
in was Andrew Basiago. I don't know if you ever heard of him.
He ran for president and he was a lawyer or still is a lawyer in Washington, I think.

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But he said in the 70s as a child, he was part of a government time travel thing.
And he's in a picture with Abraham Lincoln and all kinds of bizarre stuff.
So that was one of the things we looked in.
And all of us got data of a classroom full of students with some military type
people teaching the classroom.

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But they would leave the room and fill the room with some sort of gas.
And it ended up that it was some sort of MKUltra type thing in the 70s to where
they were seeing if they could implant memories into children.
And apparently it worked because to this day, he says that he was time traveling
for the government in the 70s as a child.

(01:07:57):
Wow, that is amazing. Okay, I'm going to have to look that up because I have
not heard of this. That's fascinating.
MKUltra, they did so many creepy things to people. So many creepy things.
They did. But he still believes to this day that he was time traveling for the government.
But that's what we got. Also, I'm now reading over the JoJo the Dolphin session.

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Session and John's
sketch kind of looks like one of the ghosts from Pac-Man to me yeah
yeah a little bit okay anyone else have a question or comment or thoughts on
remote viewing so we have some new people hanging in here I'm glad you're here

(01:08:38):
this is my first space ever so it's exciting to have somebody show up I'm really
happy to have all you guys here.
I have a question. You were saying that there were different types of remote
viewers. There are conceptual, visuals, and emotional.
Can you explain emotional viewer? I've never heard that before.
Yeah, yeah. So somebody who I would consider an emotional viewer,

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and I came up with these categories years and years ago back at TDS,
but somebody who's an emotional viewer, They understand and feel deeply the
emotions of a place, the emotions of the whatever beings might be there,
dogs, cats, snakes, people.

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Aliens, whatever they're looking at.
And so they, they almost see things through the eyes of whatever is there that
that has that kind of sentience and is alive,
or if a place has a deep emotional component, like a concentration camp,
even if you were to visit one today, you can kind of feel that heaviness and

(01:09:44):
the sadness, you know, and the just the awful, awfulness of things that happen
there, that kind of emotional content.
And those, those people may not, if they're newer viewers and not very experienced,
they may not get a lot of visual content that, that necessarily,
you know, they may not draw a sketch that looks like the picture, right.

(01:10:07):
You know, or even looks like what's there, but, but they will describe kind
of that emotional richness of things and they'll see it through the eyes,
you know, they'll feel it really through the emotions of what's there.
And I think that there are less emotional viewers overall than conceptual or visual, but.

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When you see one, you know that that's what they are because their sessions,
they're just full of this deep emotional content.
And they oftentimes can get their own emotions mixed up in the data because
it's like their response to what they're seeing.
And that's another thing that the mapping techniques take care of,

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too, if you're having a deep emotional response to something.
And because sometimes you might
get a target that's something that is distasteful
to you something that you don't like somebody you don't
like right and so you can then talk about that person in terms of how you view
that person so say let's look at our presidential candidates this is a really

(01:11:16):
good example so say you're looking say you can't stand trump and or say you
can't stand Harris, right?
You know, depending on what side of the political divide you're on.
And if you were to get one of those, one of those candidates as a target,
and you couldn't stand and you can't stand them in real life,
then and your emotional viewer,

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and even if you're not, you know, this happens with all viewers,
I think, you might say, you know, you might,
describe them in language that's based on your own experience.
But that's not objective, right? Right. Because everybody is a complicated person
and and you want to kind of keep your own emotions out of the picture.

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And that's really hard to do when it's something you feel very strongly about.
And so what the mapping does is it allows you to draw the relationship between
those emotions that you're getting and the person and the situation and all
the other kinds of things you get.
Get and then you start to realize in the mapping whether
that's your emotions or that's actually a realistic

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thing to say about whatever you're getting it's
amazing how it works so but emotional viewers they're not as common but they
certainly exist i don't know maybe 20 i'd say overall around there 20 20 maybe
a quarter of viewers and the rest are half visual half conceptual Pseudoconceptual.

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And everybody, and everyone's a combination of all three. So it's not like you're
strictly a visual viewer or strictly conceptual.
You're, you, you, you just lean, you lean one way or another.
And that's, that's your forte. That's, that's where you excel.
And I, and I really encourage viewers to lean into where they excel because that is good.
That gives them an opening into the experience and opening into understanding

(01:13:07):
and really feeling what's around them and being able
to articulate and to draw and to act out even.
I think acting out is a big part, should be a big part of doing this work.
Because like I said before, your body holds a lot of data.
And sometimes just the act of oftentimes somebody looks like they're getting

(01:13:32):
stuck, like in training, they're like, this person's doing something,
but I can't describe it. They're They're stuck.
They don't know how to describe it. And I'll say, well, show me what they're doing. Show me.
And just the act of moving your body around makes you realize what's actually happening.
And that also gives you a clue as to what's surrounding that person at the target site. Right. So.

(01:13:57):
I encourage people to, when we're doing the mapping, I encourage people,
if they can, now people have different, you know, physical abilities.
So this isn't a deal breaker at all.
But if you can stand while you're doing the mapping, I really,
I like to see everybody standing while they're doing this because it opens up
more of an aperture and you get better data and you get more data and you're

(01:14:20):
able to feel things better throughout your whole body instead of just sitting down and drawing.
And then another thing that Margie brought up earlier that, you know,
if you were told not to close your eyes during a session, I think closing your
eyes is an incredible tool to use when you're remote viewing.
I think that for some people, that's the only time they're going to get their visuals.

(01:14:42):
Absolutely. And that's true for me. I don't get visuals with open eyes,
but I do with my eyes closed. I get tons of visuals with my eyes closed.
Open eyes? Nah, never, never.
But so I do encourage people to close their eyes. if that works for them.
You know, everyone's different in how they process the data.
And it's really, you know, probably genetic, probably cultural,

(01:15:05):
probably just based on experience and based on who we are, just education.
There's so many things that go into, we're very complex beings, very complex.
And that whole body of experience that we have, everything about us from our
parents to our siblings, to our
friends, to our education, to whatever teachers formed us to accidents,

(01:15:26):
car accidents and injuries, everything,
everything that forms who we are to this day is a part of how you're going to
perceive the world around you, you know, in real life and in remote viewing.
So you have to kind of embrace all of that.
Anyway, anyone, anyone else have

(01:15:47):
a question or comment or something interesting they would like to add.
If somebody else wants to speak on here, just let me know. This is my first
space, so I'm not really sure what I'm doing.
So I'm trying to figure it out. I don't think anyone else is wanting to.
But if I'm mistaken, if somebody could let me know somehow.

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Okay, Jamie, you're up. I was just going to say, while we're waiting for someone
to ask another question, we could hear some old stories.
Oh, what do you want to hear a story about? I've got a million of them.
I don't know. I know I've heard John talking about the time that somebody tried
to set you guys up to dig on some government land for a treasure or whatever.

(01:16:33):
Oh, God. Yeah, we were. And I've heard his half. His half is he got back to
the hotel or something and you were calling him frantically or he called you.
I don't remember now, but I'm sure you've got some interesting stories to share.
Yeah, yeah. John and I, we were big into treasure hunting way back then.
And we would go out into the Anza Borrego Desert.

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We were looking for a couple of different treasures. And we knew where things were.
But, you know, that's this big desert. Big desert. Hard to get through.
You know, hard to navigate.
And hard to get from one place, you know. Walking miles in the desert is no walk in the park.
And it's hot. And there's no water. You've got to carry a lot of water.

(01:17:14):
And, yeah, we had been...
Oh, God, we were, we had, there was so much, so much government shenanigans
back then. It was insane.
I can't even tell you how crazy it was. But hey, I have a really good story.
I'll tell you about the CIA guy who came, who came to visit.

(01:17:35):
So this was back when I was at Farsight. This is such a good story.
This guy, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was,
When I was at Farsight, I was vice president and Courtney Brown,
of course, was president.
And I was in the office. The office was at a Holiday Inn in Atlanta.
And Courtney had rented out a couple of rooms for Farsight at that time.

(01:17:59):
One room was the main office.
He had a secretary. Her name was Mary.
And there was another room that we used for the classes.
And, you know, it was a, it was a, it was like one of those hotel meeting rooms.
So there's a little office room and a big space for classrooms.

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And so I was in the office with the secretary.
And this, this guy shows up. And, and he says, and I said, Well,
you know, Dr. Brown isn't here right now.
You know, we can take your information and let him know that you dropped by.
And he said, no, I'm here to see you. And I said, me?
He said, yeah, you. And I'm thinking, well, why? Nobody knows me. I'm just a nobody.

(01:18:44):
And he said, can you meet me at my hotel later today?
And he said he was with the CIA. And he showed me his credentials.
And I said, well, okay. So I went. I went there to the hotel with my husband,
Daniel, because I didn't want to go alone.
And we went up and he had rented out the penthouse suite. And it was a,

(01:19:06):
you know, one of those high rise luxury hotels in Atlanta.
And he was not alone. He had three people with him, a woman and two men.
A woman sat to his left and next to the woman on her left was another man.
And to the CIA guy's right was another man.
And he said that the man to his right was his driver.

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The woman to his left was his secretary. And the man to her left was his assistant.
Now, the three, the man spoke the whole time.
The three never said a word. They literally just stared at me the whole time.
They didn't look at Daniel, my husband.
They just looked at me, like stared at me.

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The secretary never pulled out a pad of paper or a pen, didn't have a little
tape recorder, nothing. They just stared, just stared.
And the guy told me all these crazy things.
He told me that the government had a quantum computer that could remote view.
You. Now you have to realize this was back in like 1996.

(01:20:10):
And there there were, you know, this was before quantum computers were said to be real.
You know, that was a it was just theoretical at that point.
And he said that the government had a computer that could remote you and that
it could take, as he put it snapshots, that's the word he used of the future.

(01:20:31):
And then he pulls out. he goes up and he gets this big huge map like a big huge
map of the world and he unrolls it but it's a map of the world but it's a little off like,
the outlines of the countries were just slightly different.
And I couldn't quite put my finger on it because it was just so slightly different

(01:20:55):
that, you know, I couldn't, I just knew from looking at it because,
you know, we've all seen maps of the world a million times, right?
And so it was just a little different. And he starts pointing to these different places on the map.
And he says that that this
he points here and he points to this place
on the coast of India he says there is a gravity spike

(01:21:17):
here he says do you know what a gravity spike is I said no and he said well
you're going to find out someday and then he points to another location and
this is like around Long Island and he says there's a gravity spike here this
is really important I said okay why is it important? And he said, I can't tell you why.

(01:21:38):
And, and then he and then he says to my husband, he says, Can you go get us
all some iced tea? And my husband just gets up and leaves.
He gets up and leaves to get this iced tea like he's under their control.
It was so strange. That's not like it was not like him to do that.
And while he's out of the room, then the CIA guy, then the CIA guy tells me

(01:22:01):
that I am really smart, meaning me. He tells me that I'm smart.
And I'm like, well, everybody's smart. And he's like, no, you're really smart.
He says, you're going to figure some things out. He says, you need to know that.
And then my husband comes back with the iced tea.
And then that was the end. That was the end. That was the end.

(01:22:22):
We didn't even have the iced tea. He just said, okay, that's the end of the meeting.
And I got up and we left.
And it was just the most bizarre encounter.
I think it was some kind of weird just test or, I don't know,
mind control or something really strange.
But the quantum computer thing really kind of stuck with me.
And I actually remote viewed it a bunch of times.
And I think that there was some truth to that, to be quite honest.

(01:22:45):
I think that there was something that...
Think he was trying to convey something.
I don't really know what I still haven't figured out to this day.
But I've told a lot of people this story over the years.
And John Vivanco and I, we looked at that multiple times trying to figure out
what what the hell was going on there.
And I think that the three the three were probably remote viewers,

(01:23:06):
maybe some kind of test some kind of mind control thing.
I don't know. But that was one of the crazy things. There were a lot of events
like that back in those days, back in those days.
And coming back out of the remote viewing closet recently, I've been kind of
concerned, you know, about am I going to be subject to the same kind of scrutiny

(01:23:28):
or the government vans following us like they would everywhere?
Or, you know, I lived on a cul-de-sac in Southern California.
And literally there would be like five or six government vans just parked on
the cul-de-sac right in front of my house,
blacked out windows you go up to them
they wouldn't answer they just sit there for hours

(01:23:50):
for hours overnight just always be there and just
stuff like that happened all the time back then and
i think that a lot a lot of this has changed you know
i think so many people now have gotten into remote viewing maybe it isn't
considered so dangerous a thing for civilians
to be involved in i don't know i'm not really sure
what all that was about but it was it was strange strange stuff

(01:24:12):
back then and I'm hoping that I don't go through that again thank you for sharing
I think that back then being that you were the first real private entity in
remote viewing they were threatened.
They're like oh crap this is getting out to the public now this is going to be an issue.

(01:24:34):
Yeah and I was doing you know and I was I was saying stuff against the you know
I mean I wasn't being, well, I was definitely a little more brash than I am
today, but I was a lot younger.
And, and I did talk a lot about how we have to get rid of all this militaristic
patriarchal language, we have to change this, we have to change that.

(01:24:55):
And I did change a lot of stuff back then.
I mean, I've changed way more stuff in the past 20 years.
But I think it's a more holistic method what I'm doing now.
But but back then, I was changing things. And I know that there there was a
lot of pushback against it.
You know, the military, some of them, not all, I was friends with a couple of
the military remote viewers. I was friends with Mel Riley.

(01:25:15):
And, but, but some of them just couldn't stand me. They couldn't stand me.
One of them is responsible for that Pru Watch site that's out there.
And I found that out through PJ who, you know, has now passed on,
but she told me because she was privy to that information.
And that was way back then. But, you know, and that site's still up all these,
you know, 25 years, that site's been up for 25 years, still up,

(01:25:38):
someone's still paying for it.
So you know it's amazing the
pushback the pushback that happened back then it was it was misogynistic it
was just simply wrong it was simply wrong but but i don't care i don't care
about all that anymore you know i'm older i'm wiser i i feel really confident
about what i'm doing what i think about all of this i have a whole different

(01:26:01):
philosophical framework,
with regard to remote viewing i think about it differently i'm doing it differently
and i feel like what I'm doing today is super cool.
So yeah, I'm just not worried about it.
But I was I was worried for a long time, you know, and I didn't want anyone to find me.
Didn't want anyone to know where I was. Because of the harassment was so,

(01:26:24):
so awful, that I just really, really went into hiding, moved out of state,
changed my name, all of that.
Just did random took all these random I wrote that essay just a couple days
ago. It's on norivets.com.
It's called 20 Years of Silence.
Life is Trans-Dimensional Mapping, if anyone's curious about whatever,

(01:26:46):
what the hell I did over 20 years.
And it's just been a really fascinating life.
I'm glad to be back in it. I'm glad to be teaching again for at least for a few months.
And but I'm mostly glad to be doing my lecture series and I'm writing a book,
a manual big, it's going to be like, it's over 300 pages already,

(01:27:08):
probably be about four or 500 pages when it's done on all the different things
you can do with it and different approach, my different approach.
So I hope to come out with that by December. That's my goal.
And I'm going to keep writing essays and posting them on the site and posting
my little YouTubes. And of course I run a big UFO group, biggest UFO group in the whole country.

(01:27:31):
Started that a year ago. And I knew when I started that, that people would find
me and that's what happened.
But I guess I was ready. I've been talking about it for a few years with a family
and friends thinking, telling them, you know, I'm probably going to get back into it at some point.
So here I am. I'm glad to be here. I'm glad you guys are here on the space with me.

(01:27:52):
So anyone have questions, thoughts, comments? Oh, someone's got a request.
Oh, Bertie, were you ever tasked with like underground military bases,
like the deep underground ones?
Oh anything you can share it's not like yeah
yeah yeah you know okay so there's a there's a several at

(01:28:13):
least several and i haven't looked at this in a few
years but there at the time when i was looking at this there were several underground
bases that actually had remote viewing units you know the when the stargate
program was declassified that wasn't the end of the government looking into
this stuff that's you know did you happen to know my grandma by chance,

(01:28:35):
Who was your grandma? Ann Jutman.
No. She was a part of Grill Flame. I posted her NDA in the bottom.
There's more that are declassified. She's still alive.
Oh, awesome. I would love to talk with her. I didn't know if you knew anything
about Operation Jedi Warrior here at Fort Bragg in the 80s. It ran parallel
to that project. It was a part of this project.

(01:28:56):
My grandpa was there. That's where my grandparents met.
Oh, wow. Oh, what a love story. My God.
It starts out that way, but it gets crazy because I was kidnapped as a baby
and illegally adopted into this family.
My dad was 3rd Generation Special Forces, and he was handed a baby October 27,
1987, the day he became a Green Beret here at Fort Bragg.

(01:29:19):
So I didn't know if you knew anything, any of these other projects that are
going on specifically at that base or Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Yeah, Wright...
I have looked into a lot of this stuff. And I do know all those I do.
I mean, I don't know about about your parents or your family specifically,
but I have, you know, I've seen a lot of the research done on that.

(01:29:41):
And I have looked into it as a remote viewer.
And back in the day, I did task my team with a bunch of this stuff.
And then I've looked at it myself, many, many times, probably,
oh, God, I don't know, probably at least a couple hundred times over the past 20 years.
And there's a number of these different groups that have been looking into this,

(01:30:04):
they're black ops, and there's even a couple of defense contractors that have remote viewing teams.
At least a couple, at least a couple that I looked at.
And some of them are using technology to enhance their remote viewing ability.
And what's interesting is that there's one particular group

(01:30:24):
that they have like some very specific requirements
for their remote viewers they they do
a genetic profile and they choose people with a
particular genetic aspects they also only choose remote viewers who are who
are tall taller than average it's kind of interesting it's like i've looked
at that multiple times i've given that to out to other people in the past and

(01:30:46):
they all everyone just remarks that everyone's tall here everyone's tall it
comes up over and over and over and over again.
And so there's something about
the height that was important for that particular unit, height genetics.
And then there's like a technology enhancements or some kind of technology that's being used.
And that's kind of what got me into brainwave research is because I,

(01:31:09):
I was picking up a lot of brainwave interest in brainwave activity.
And so I start, you know, it's one thing that I've been talking about on some
of these podcasts and stuff. and I've talked about it on the.
Remote viewing and remote viewers and remote viewing. I forget what it's called.
It's a Facebook group that kind of all the... Oh, I'm on there.
Okay, yeah, yeah. So I did a big post about it, about my research into brainwave research.

(01:31:34):
And so one thing I started realizing, this is actually made my remote viewing
like a million times better.
It's like if you wear brainwave monitor, and you can just get a cheap consumer
one, I got a few of them, some not so
cheap but you can get like a muse that that's one
i recommend to students and it's a

(01:31:54):
couple hundred i don't know it's more than that's like three or four hundred dollars
now it was a lot cheaper back in the day but and you
can use some particular there's third-party app called mind monitor that you
can get and it'll literally show you your brain waves any given moment while
you're wearing it and so you wear it during a session and you can determine
you know when you're when When you're getting particular data.

(01:32:18):
You can start noting what you can like record your whole session and record
your brainwaves at the same time.
And so if you record your session like with video, and so you know exactly at
what points you can match the time, the timing up.
So you know exactly what your brainwaves are doing when you're getting particular

(01:32:40):
kinds of data. And the more you do this, it's biofeedback.
You start realizing what that feels like, what that brainwave state feels like.
Like anyone can listen to the binaural beats music, you know,
that helps put your brainwaves into particular patterns.

(01:33:00):
Different tones in each ear. You have to have headphones on for it because it's
different tones in each ear and it feels a particular way.
So if you're in a high theta state, you feel more relaxed, more creative,
it feels a particular way.
So if you start monitoring your brainwaves during the session,

(01:33:20):
you can start matching up what your
brainwaves look like and what that feels like when you
are getting particular kinds of data so when you
then start to understand what that looks like
and feels like when you do another session and you
and you realize that you're having exhibiting the same brainwave pattern that

(01:33:41):
you did when you say saw a horse in a pre in in multiple previous sessions then
the next time you get that brainwave pattern you know there's a horse there
say or that it's a highly energetic event and it can give you clues to what's
there. It's actually fascinating.
And I've spent a lot, a lot, like a crazy amount of time on this.

(01:34:02):
And that's, I think what I think that's one of the things that,
that some of these black ops groups have been doing is using this brainwave
technology to determine what is there and to allow the viewer to have a,
you know, more interactive experience.
Because if you know that you're, that.

(01:34:23):
If your brainwaves look a certain way, if you're, you know, your beta and your theta, whatever,
are doing x, y, and z, then you know,
I'm doing actually doing a podcast with Don de Corcel on this and showing actually
going to be wearing my brainwave equipment to show live what it looks like and

(01:34:44):
to show how you can like actually change your brainwave state.
The more you do this, the more you realize you can do it and you can get into
particular states easily.
But it's all biofeedback. Anyone can learn it. It's not rocket science.
It's actually super easy. But it just takes a lot of time to get to that point.
Anyway, so but that's one of the things that they're doing in those Black Rocks

(01:35:05):
groups is brainwave, definitely brainwave research, you know,
some kind of enhanced technology.
I think they're probably inducing particular brainwave states. but yeah
those um secret remote viewing groups are have always
fascinated me because i really wonder what the government you
know how how far that this technology if you want to call it a technology it's

(01:35:26):
just a natural human ability has what they've been able to do with it you know
i think they're kind of building really truly deeply psychic spies way more
than than the military viewers,
we all know and love, right? Or know and hate in some cases.
So it's, yeah. Anyway, I'm so glad you told me about that, Angela.

(01:35:49):
I'm going to have to look back into all of that.
Now you're making me want to... Oh, I already DM'd you because I have so many
questions and you seem to have... I've met a lot of people on here that offered
help, but they're interested in what I know and what I have.
And I guard that with my life just because because my story's not normal and
I'm not going to dump that all on you, but I'm exposing some deep stuff related

(01:36:10):
to this subject and I don't have all the answers.
I have way more questions than anything and I could genuinely just...
For one, I'd like to learn how to control this because I've had this ability
since I was a little girl. I've located missing children alive,
most deceased, if I'm going to be honest.
The last case I've ever run was a 13-year-old girl who was abducted out of Pennsylvania
by a 27-year-old man. Her name was Haley Williams.

(01:36:31):
The FBI was involved, but they were treating her like a runaway.
And I have all this in screenshots. This is a really sad case.
They were more interested that I got his information and got the address than it being correct.
It took them over eight hours to go and retrieve her. she was assaulted by that time, but she is alive.
That's when I really started realizing, oh my God, this stuff is,
it's not, you know, I always thought it was coincidence at first.

(01:36:53):
And then finding out my grandparents were a part of these things,
and that kind of slapped me with the reality.
So I really appreciate people like you and Margie coming on the space and creating,
you know, more of a dialect flow, you know, of this type of information and
not gatekeeping it. That's really important.
I think that's important too. I mean, the reality that
we can access us anything anytime anywhere you

(01:37:15):
know we really can every single one of us every single person on
this planet there isn't a psychic brick among any of
you among anybody anybody everyone is
truly capable of having deep experiences with
remote viewing and some people like what sounds like yourself you know they're
they're born into this world just being able to express it just so naturally

(01:37:36):
you know and and and some people have to work a little bit harder to get to
that point And I think trauma plays a play in that part of that.
Because I'm leaving out chapters, but I spent a lot of time at Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base as a child.
If you're picking up what I'm saying without saying it. No, no, I agree.
I 100% agree with you. I do think that trauma does open up an aperture.

(01:38:01):
Absolutely. I mean, I've written about extensively traumatic experiences in my past.
And I think that that's one of the reasons that I was so drawn to all of this.
And I think that people that have had, I mean, Dr.
Gary Nolan is already showing that people who have had things like ufo encounters
that's a very traumatic experience even if it's a positive encounter it's still

(01:38:24):
a trauma it's still traumatic in some way because it shatters your your.
Your religious views, your worldview, your view, your sense of who you are on
this planet, your sense, you know, and those kinds of life changing experiences,
I think people who have had more
of those tend to have a more open natural ability with remote viewing,

(01:38:47):
whereas others who have had, I'll say a more cushy life, not that anyone truly
has a cushy life, I think everybody Everybody has their moments,
right, that are hard.
But people that haven't had a lot of trauma, I think that they probably do have
to work a little bit harder.
I think you're right about that.
But, you know, but I think everyone gets there. I think that learning this and

(01:39:12):
the practice of it, if it's good practice.
Now, you can do a session every single day your entire life and never really
get any better if you're not being introspective about the process.
A lot of people, they'll do it for a period of time, say six months,
they'll remote you every day, they really want to, they want to get better.
But they do the same things every time, you know, they'll just go through the

(01:39:34):
strict CRV protocol or whatever, what have you.
And I'm not bashing CRV, I think you can have amazing sessions with CRV.
I think CRV is a little better though, personally.
Yeah, yeah, I think I have no problem with it.
And I think you can have it, you can do the same things I do within a CRV session.
You can still deconstruct data.

(01:39:55):
CRV, TRV. Oh, okay. TRV. Yeah.
So TRV, you know, I think that any protocol that offers a more restrictive,
that's more restrictive in some way that says that you can't do certain things. I think that the.
That you may not be able to get much better if you are so hooked on restrictive protocol.

(01:40:21):
And I'm not saying that everybody who uses any of these protocols is being restrictive in that way.
But I think that some new students tend to be because they're worried that if
they draw outside the lines, then they're going to get slapped in some way.
You know, that it won't work. that it's only going to work if you do it in a particular way.

(01:40:43):
And I don't believe that. And I think that people that become great remote viewers,
and there's many of them out there now, lots of them. I mean,
I love watching everybody's stuff.
I love watching Future Forecasting Group, all that stuff. I think they're doing really cool stuff.
And I think that if you watch what they're doing, they're not being restrictive.
They're a little free and loose with things. And I think that that's kind of

(01:41:07):
the natural progression that if you want to get better, the way to get better
is to, at the very least, deconstruct your data after a session.
Go through literally every single piece of data. This is what I'm making students do now.
You have to justify every single piece of data and explain why your mind decided
to produce that, whether it's

(01:41:27):
AOL, a metaphor, whether it's what some some call storyline or whatever.
And when you do that, then you start building this new language between your
subconscious and your regular waking mind.
And, and it's the building of that new language. You're learning a new language.
It's like learning Spanish or Russian or Chinese, anything.

(01:41:51):
And at the beginning, it's stilted, you know, maybe you can say,
you know, Hola, mi amo birdie, you know, but you, after a while,
then you can speak in whole sentences.
And then after a while, you can have an actual conversation with someone and
understand what they say.
And remote viewing is the same way. At the beginning, your language is stilted.

(01:42:15):
You can, it's hard to get a lot of rich data until you start building that communication
with your subconscious.
And I really do think that what I'm doing with the mapping techniques actually helps.
Allows you to do that quicker, just quicker over time, you know, it's the same process.
It's just a new twist on a little different way of a kind of a different philosophical

(01:42:39):
way of approaching remote viewing.
So yeah, but anyway, Angela, I have, I'm really enjoying your contributions.
So thank you. Thank you for sharing so much of your past and your interest here.
I'm really enjoying it. Thank you.
Thank you so much. I'm learning a lot. I have a different perspective just because

(01:42:59):
I'm kind of on the tunnel vision.
I'm only on this app to bring awareness to human and drug trafficking at Fort
Bragg between Special Forces soldiers and then Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
for testing and torturing children.
That's the only reason I'm on here. My dad was murdered on Father's Day.
My mom was murdered on my birthday.
So I have a weird story. I don't have all the answers and I'm kind of finding this out as I go along.

(01:43:22):
Didn't know that my grandparents were a part of these projects until just a
couple years ago. And at first I thought it was just the CIA.
And then I found out that she crossed between different organizations. And she's still alive.
That's the hardest part is I didn't realize how dangerous it was talking about
these things or I would have kept certain chapters shut.
Yeah, I am really sorry that that happened with your parents.

(01:43:43):
That's so terrible. I'm so sorry to hear that.
That's got to be so hard, you know, to have that. It is but it's not because
like my sealed adoption file is missing from vital records But I found my birth
mother without it, even though she was killed on my birthday in 2018.
I got the answers I needed so I know this stuff is real.

(01:44:05):
I just don't understand it and it just kind of it hijacks my whole life if i'm
gonna be honest Yeah Yeah, I get that.
I get that. I know all about having a life hijacked,
so oh so michael your your hands up go for it yeah i just uh wanted to switch

(01:44:28):
to uh one of the elements in the story that you told with the cia hi yeah you mentioned that
there was a quantum computer that could remote view and take snapshots of the future.

(01:44:49):
And you said that, I think you said that you had remote,
viewed it afterwards and thought that there was some.
Truth there i thought that stuck out to me and if you could elaborate on that i just,

(01:45:12):
also want to say i really appreciate how open you are in uh hearing your story
thanks oh thank you thank you michael yeah so i i've looked at this so many
so many times because from different angles you know, trying to figure out why,
why did he want to talk to me?

(01:45:34):
And what was his actual, you know, what was the real meaning behind it?
And what about those gravity spikes?
And what about the quantum computer that can remote view? What was real in all this?
And the one thing that I kept coming back to that I sensed was real.
Really, the only thing I sensed was real was is this quantum computer.

(01:45:56):
And I don't think that it was necessarily a quantum computer as we know them today.
But it seemed more like some kind of a device.
And I don't know, it didn't quite feel... I honestly wonder if this was some
kind of technology that's not necessarily human technology,

(01:46:17):
to be honest, or has some component to it that was non-human,
And because I kept getting that, those kinds of elements and those things feel
a very, very particular way.
It's like, you know, you know, when you're and you know, I have no problem remote
viewing as they call esoteric targets.
In fact, I coined that term many years ago, esoteric targets,

(01:46:39):
but I have no problems looking at that stuff. I know that some remote viewers
don't want to, don't like to, don't think you should, and that's okay if people don't want to.
That's absolutely fine, but I love that stuff. It's my favorite,
favorite stuff to look at on this planet, or off this planet, I guess I should say.
But it does, but these kinds of targets do have a particular feel to them. They really do.

(01:47:05):
They don't feel human. They feel...
It's a whole separate feeling other than anything else you experience in your regular waking life.
And I think that people that have had UFO encounters or have seen a UFO or that
have had an abduction experience or any of these other kinds of things,
they know what that feeling is. It's the same feeling I have.

(01:47:27):
I saw a UFO when I was seven, saw one when I was 16.
I'm a contactee, wrote about it in my book.
And those experiences have a flavor. And that flavor was in those sessions,
absolutely in those sessions.
And so, and John and I talked about it back in the day, and I've looked at it multiple times.

(01:47:49):
And I really do think that that's what he was talking about was some kind of
technology, not necessarily, and it wasn't all, wasn't like an alien device
or anything. It's not like they yanked something out of a ship and they were using that.
It just felt like it had some component to it, some small piece of it that made the thing go.

(01:48:12):
And so that's why I felt that that was real.
Because you don't get that feeling in a session unless that kind of stuff is actually there.
That's the one thing that I felt was real. The gravity spikes,
I think that was just smoke and mirrors.
I don't think there was anything real there especially you
know necessarily going on that just felt like a
fake story to me and that's just

(01:48:34):
what would come up in the sessions was that that was just a bullshit
essentially but the quantum computer
that always came up as a real thing always and but
it wasn't like a quantum computer like if i were to remote you
in right now it would look act feel the
same way whatsoever but this device had really
unusual qualities to it and and

(01:48:57):
i don't i don't think either that
it was taking snapshots as in photographs and he used the word snapshot which
which you can that word has different kinds of meanings you know you can talk
about a snapshot in time you know it has different kinds of meanings so So I
don't necessarily think it was like printing out photographs of people and places

(01:49:19):
and events in the future.
But I think that it was giving particular information.
And what that information is, you know, that's a whole nother question.
But that's, yeah, that's what I got on that.
And I haven't looked at it in quite a while, but I should really revisit that.
So I'm glad we're talking about it because I'm like, I've got my notepad out

(01:49:40):
here and I'm making a list of things.
Not for my students, so Jamie, don't get excited, but for me.
Hey, you never know what you're going to get. I might surprise you.
But I'm, yeah, so I'm adding this to my list of things that I want to personally
explore in the near, in the very near term future.

(01:50:02):
I tend to, you know, people, I think that these kinds of things are just the
most fun parts of remote viewing is the things that are, that are intangible,
the things that we can't know other in other ways.
That's what excites me about all of
this is being able to find out all the secrets of the
world being able to find out what's behind the door i really have always been

(01:50:29):
i've always been that little kid you know i feel like i'm 14 years old every
single day and i just want to find out what's there i want to find out what's
happening i think that's the coolest part of remote viewing is
being able to know something that you can't otherwise know. You could never know.
And even in looking at just your conventional kinds of things,

(01:50:51):
different events through history and different locations across our planet,
they still have hidden aspects.
They still have mysteries. Everything does because every person is a mystery, for one thing.
And if you remote view any particular event in history,
you'll get such interesting stuff because

(01:51:11):
especially if you go deep into it you'll find
out what what what the people are thinking like
like like in my class that i just did a couple weeks ago i
gave one of the things i gave them was a photograph and it
was of the royal wedding between prince william and
kate middleton and every single
viewer actually said it was was a

(01:51:33):
royal wedding in their session they all got there and
those sessions were really remarkable but
what was interesting was just the that
the emotional content and what what the people at the wedding or in the wedding
that what the like the the bride poor kate was thinking what did i get myself

(01:51:55):
into like the viewers are saying this you know this person is saying what did
i get myself into to. Why am I doing this?
And for those conspiracy minded, one viewer did get did get a reptilian in the room.
Take that how you like, but it was just, it's just so fascinating.

(01:52:18):
You can find out what people were thinking, you know, and you can find out what
they want to do what they would would rather be doing.
It's just the coolest thing I can imagine a person doing on this planet is remote viewing.
It's the most fun. It's,
I can't imagine people that aren't interested in it. I don't know what's wrong with them.

(01:52:43):
Okay, so let's see. Margie. Could you give us a short summary of trans-dimensional mapping?
Does it actually still include ideogram? And also, you were going to tell us
a little bit about the underground military bases.
So, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know I'm going all over the place here.

(01:53:05):
But so trans-dimensional mapping is what I call remote viewing these days,
because I don't do it in a traditional way.
When I'm teaching a new class, we do start, I do the first day, it's a five-day class.
And so the first day we do traditional TDRV, my kind of, well,

(01:53:26):
it's a modified, it's not even the same anymore.
I've changed it somewhat. what. But we do a little bit of kind of old school
remote viewing, because I think that that kind of gets people into the mode
and they're getting real results and having some laughs and some fun,
and it gets them relaxed.
And then day two, we get right into the mapping and we go from there.
And by the end of the class, then we don't do that first stuff anymore.

(01:53:52):
We just start with the mapping.
And so what mapping is, is you have all your impressions, you make a huge map.
And for those that came in a little later, I'm doing a lecture on September 19.
On zoom, everyone's welcome to attend totally free, of course.
And first hour is lecture and second hour is q&a. Anyone's welcome to ask anything

(01:54:13):
they like about what I talk about.
But so the mapping, what it does is it allows you to, you do sketches,
but you decide what kinds of maps, there's like multiple different kinds of
ways, there's no template for it, per se.
There's just, it's hard to talk about without showing anything visually here.
So I'm doing my best, but you have your enormous piece of paper that you're going to use.

(01:54:38):
And and later on, you know, when you become very rehearsed in this,
and you know what you're doing,
then you can you can use a tablet if you don't want to throw away paper you
know use paper use up trees whatever I do have a big huge 16 inch tablet that I use.
But to start, I think it's really important to use big pieces of paper because

(01:54:59):
it's organic and it's tactile.
And I think there's something to be said for that. You do it standing up too,
like I said earlier, unless you're unable to stand, which is totally fine.
You can sit down. But standing, I think, offers some benefits.
And so you can start with an ideogram if you like on the map.

(01:55:20):
And some like to and some do not.
Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. and you just go right into writing impressions
and sketches and you go from there and you decide.
With your initial impressions what is the
first the first kinds of things you get there so are you getting structure or
water or beings of some sort you know and then you can decide at that point

(01:55:45):
if there's a lot of energy then you might want to do a map of the energy and
so then on another side on the same page but on a different section of the page
then you start working on the energy there.
And if you also got a structure, then you do a separate section on your mapping page for the structure.
And then you start connecting those things and you see how those things are related.
And that's where all this interesting information comes out.

(01:56:08):
And there's multiple levels of this and you can do multiple maps and multiple pages as you go.
And then there's other techniques more advanced that the five-day class cannot
possibly get into because there's There's just simply not enough time.
40 hours only allows you to really get through all of the mapping.
And we do some, we also do in the class, we'll do the remote diagnosis for like health issues.

(01:56:34):
We do cover that kind of towards the end. And we also talk about...
Communication, because you can use this as a communications tool.
And anyway, so that's what mapping is. Mapping is my new version of remote viewing.
It's a completely new method, new methodology that I've been working on for 20, 22 years.

(01:56:54):
And it's super interesting. And I think that it really is a more natural way of remote viewing.
It's still kind of, it's still a protocol of some sort. You know, it is protocol.
It's just not the traditional protocol. It's its own protocol.
And there's different kinds of steps that you take within the mapping,

(01:57:17):
which I'll go over with lots of examples on the 19th so you can see it all.
But for beginner students, I do like them to start.
And so I do like them to start with the traditional remote viewing.
And so what we'll do like on the day two and three is
they'll do if you're familiar with tdrv then
you'll you'll do like two or three scan pages so in

(01:57:39):
other words you'll do an ideogram you'll get your sensory type impressions do
a quick intuitive sketch and then you'll repeat that process maybe do it three
times maybe you'll do a general sketch after that where you take a regular piece
of paper and draw a quick sketch out and then you transfer that data onto your
big mapping page and this is just easier for new students to understand what
the data feels like, what it looks like,

(01:58:01):
and then they transfer it onto the mapping page in a way that makes sense to them.
And then they just, then they come up with their separate sections of the map
and then they start connecting things.
And we, I don't do a matrix at all. I don't teach a matrix. Don't do a matrix. I think a matrix is.
Is just busy work for your left brain and doesn't provide your right brain with
enough latitude to really dig into the target experience.

(01:58:25):
So Matrix is off the table in my new methodology completely.
And then we also... So no stage four, no stage five?
No, no. The mapping is your stage four to infinity.
And then you can also move from the mapping onto 3d 3d
modeling and some other stuff as well if
it makes sense in in the middle of the session so the mapping really is its

(01:58:50):
own thing it's really interesting and it replaces stage four and five and six
and it it kind of it takes on a life of its own becomes very rich and full of data.
So thank you for that. I never did good in the matrix.
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I never liked it myself from the very beginning back at Farsight.

(01:59:13):
I didn't like it. And I would end up just writing full paragraphs and drawing
on the page and just kind of ignoring the columns to be quite honest.
You know, I was I found a bunch of my really old sessions from way back when and was looking at them.
And I thought, Oh, my gosh, I never really used it much at all.
A little bit at the beginning and then I really kind of went off on my own way back then.

(01:59:35):
But now this is just, I don't know, it feels better. It's more organic.
Well, anyway, I have to get to bed now, guys. This has been a super fun two
hours, and I'm really glad that you all came along for the ride.
My first face was super exciting.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. And I'll do another one if you guys would like.
I can set up another one for some time, and we can think up some good questions for me.

(01:59:59):
Oh, I already have one. I wanted to know if you knew about the helmet test.
I do know about the helmet test. I experienced that from 91 to 98. I have some questions.
Okay. Save those for the next one. We'll do another one real soon.
And, and yeah, I've got, oh my gosh, I've got a lot of stories about that actually.
Oh, I have journals since age seven. I have it all written down.

(02:00:21):
I just don't share it because that's all I have in my back pocket.
But if you really know what you're talking, I can use some understanding.
Okay, cool. Well, we'll talk about that next time for sure. So we'll do that first. Okay.
I'm an early bird. I go to bed, I go to bed like around now,
around nine, and then I get up at it three because that's the best time

(02:00:41):
to do this stuff in my for me for me probably not
for everybody that's like my my alone
time everything's quiet in the world the dog
is sleeping the bird might have got a parrot and a dog they're asleep and it's
just lovely so thank you all for coming along i really appreciate every single

(02:01:01):
one of you those who listen those who contributed so So love you all very much
and definitely come to my September 19th lecture.
I'll post it on Twitter, but on X, but you can also find it on my Facebook and
it's on my website, no rivets.com.
And I've got all kinds of crap there. So check it out.
Okay. Love you guys. And we'll talk, we'll talk soon.

(02:01:25):
Thank you for doing this. It was a lot of fun. It was a super lot of fun. Okay. Bye guys.

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