FIFTY SHADES OF TRUE CRIME with DOUG FIFER

In this episode, retired Alaskan police officer and author Doug Fifer takes us inside the darkest corners of his 25-year career in law enforcement. From crime scene analysis to deviant sexual crimes and hostage negotiations, Doug has seen humanity at its most twisted—and lived to tell the stories with a mix of grit, honesty, and hard-earned humor. We talk about his new book, Fifty Shades of True Crime, where he pulls back the curtain on real cases that are shocking, disturbing, and unforgettable. Doug shares what it was like negotiating with serial killers, solving homicides, and confronting crimes so bizarre they seem stranger than fiction.

But beyond the badge, Doug opens up about his Alaska Native heritage, family life in the Last Frontier, and even his unexpected side passion—wine making. With his trademark wit, Doug proves that even in the face of darkness, finding light (and laughter) is essential.

⚠️ Content warning: This episode contains discussion of violent crime and sexual exploitation, which may be distressing for some listeners.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:59):
Now, welcome back to Across the Pond, the podcast that
dares to uncover the mysteries lurking beyond the veil of reality.
From government cover ups and secret experiments to hauntings, cryptids
and UFO encounters, we explore the unexplained and the conspiracies

(01:24):
that keep them hidden. And today we are here with
Doug Doug Pfeiffer, who has wrote a amazing book you
can for everyone who is watching. You can see the
title and the cover in his background. And I am,
of course here with my lovely co host Amanda, with

(01:46):
whom I had so much fun on the Vampire podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yes we did.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
But Doug, thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, thank you for having me. Glad to be here of.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Course, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
I have read your book in a single sitting, and
that is with I believe training in between two when
when it went right, actually when I didn't get dropped
on the back of my head, and like just one
question kept coming up, like with every chapter I read,
in every story I read, and that was basically just why.

(02:24):
I mean, the creativity of the human mind really knows
no bounds. So how do you how do you deal
with with all of that? How do you because has
become an everyday.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Thing or yeah, I think you I mean, I hate
to say getting dumb to it, but as an investigator,
as a cop working, you see it all the time
and so not much surprises you. But what I wanted
to do is there's lots of true crime books out
there that people read, serial killers, all kinds of things.
I wanted to come out as an author with a
different stufle of true crime, and that's where you get

(03:02):
into the really deviate sexual cases. So I took all
the wild and weirdest cases in my twenty five year
career and put it in that book, which you read.
So most of those I investigated personally, or they were
part of my department, or there was a coagency where
I worked with it. So it's definitely extreme on those cases.
But for true crime readers, it's all one hundred percent documented,

(03:25):
real life cases. But again it's going to be a
different flavor. So as an author, I wanted to break
out a little bit more and give some real stories
that people haven't read. If you google deviant sex cases
by true crime authors, there's nothing like it. This is
the only book out there, so I was surprised. I
wondered how well it would do. It's done extremely well.
But what I told Amanda earlier is really women thirty

(03:48):
to sixty overwhelmingly by the book. I mean, it's crazy.
Guys like to read it and they'll talk about some stories,
but women really dig into the deep details of these stories,
which is fascinating to me. But that's why I wrote it.
The answer is to why I put that in the
book that most of us think sex is about biology, right,
and it is. It's a physical feeling, but really for criminals,

(04:11):
it's about power. So each and every one of these
cases is about dominance and power by the individual, the criminal,
whatever they do, whatever instance they do, whatever sexually deviate
act they commit in their mind, it's that power. It's
also biological, but most of us, like the three of
us probably think is sex is very biological, a little
bit mental. There are one hundred percent on the mental train,

(04:32):
as you've read. So that's why I wrote it, And
that's really the best answer I give. It's literally that
extreme power, that dominance they won over their victims.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, I have to say that when it comes to
a true crime like true crime books and podcasts, yours
is definitely one of a kind. And it really doesn't
surprise me that it's really popular with women, like they
seem to love their true cris time and when some
freaky diggy stuff happens as well.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
It really was quite an interesting read, to be fair,
And like I've said, like obviously i've stopped, I've got
fifty pages left off the book to read, but it's
been quite busy here, so I know, I know, as
I'm getting the shake of you know, from Stein.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
However, you know, but yeah, fifty Shades of True Crime was.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Was really even quite an interactive book, Doug. So I
do like the way you've really opened it up to
get the readers involved with it whilst they were being
introduced to different cases, especially in the first chapter or so,
there are like I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Stein, as he said, he's got quite a few questions.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I too, have quite a few questions about certain stories
in that book and what you've come across over your
you know, years in that.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, man, you're right. The first chapter is called Name
that Crime, and that's where the reader gets to be
interactive and they see a booking photo or a mugshot,
and then there's some criminal statutes and the reader try
and guess what you know that evidence shows, and then
you read the story and find out how close you
were or you weren't. So I wanted to open up

(06:20):
that way so you kind of get into the book overall.
I wanted you to kind of be like you're a
cop in the in the moment, and you write along
with me as we investigate these crimes, because they're so
unique and so far out of everyday human, you know,
interactions in life. So that's that's why I created it
that way, kind of make it fun and interactive because
there's some heavy stuff in there. As you both know,

(06:40):
you've read it, so you've got to lighten it in
some way. Otherwise the book's just too much for people
to read.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, now you've you've done that really well. The whole
ride along aspect makes it a much much easier read because,
as you said, you know, it is quite dev and
and really over the chapters, I guess from bad to worse,
so to bring it in kind of a indeed in

(07:09):
the first chapter kind of a game format and then
like a ride along. I especially like that with the
Amanda's favorite chapter, the pizza chapter.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh god, I'm telling you, they know means time we're
discussing this because I was having you know, like discussions
in between different segments. I was reading through and I'm
never ordering again. I'm never ordering from anyone ever again
to bring food to my house. Infa, are you cooking
it or I'm watching it being cooked, because I do
not trust anyone at this point. Now, after reading that,

(07:42):
like it really really did stick in my head.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
So I think it's also going to help a lot
of people.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, that's yeah, the pizza guy that's on the reading
ride along for your listeners, you may never order take
out pizza again in your life after you read this.
Haven't since day one on that case, I've never ordered
from that pizza company. And again, this is one of
the top three pizza companies in the US. You may
even have them, likely in the UK. I'm not sure,
but that's quite a story. People rarely shocked a seasoned investigator.

(08:17):
That shocked me. I mean, I hadn't even ever thought
that up. I didn't think that was possible. So even
for me, it was kind of like on their job
learning absolutely insane. That means one thing I want.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
To know about that, apologies.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I want to know whenever he's went to that lady's house,
was she on her own? Was she single?

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Does she have kids and stuff?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Because that's what was playing in my head, like this
guy is doing it and she might not be the
only person consuming it.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yep, So in this very good question. And I thought
the same thing when I went over there at this point. No,
she was married with family, but by herself at this
particular time, thank god, I think. And this was more
of a purple size. It'sa not the giantes but a
smaller one. She consumed the whole pizza already, and as
a cop I wanted to get the pizza back for evidence,
but there was no evidence because she ate it all.

(09:08):
So that was a real tricky case for our district
attorney prosecutor because there's no evidence. We have an admission
of what he did to the to the pizza, and
for your listeners, he had long story short, he had
a crush on a particular female where he delivered pizza.
So he put some of his own genetics on the
pizza and then delivered her and then it was an

(09:29):
odd story how the cops came in and cracked this
case and solved it. But again, it blew my mind
as a cop, and certainly readers, it's going to blow
your mind as as people who order pizza probably once
a month.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
So how she reacts to it, I can't imagine, you know,
being a you know, just anyone and you're you're being
told by you know, by the police that hey, you
know this guy, well you know, spunked on your on
your pizza and like not just I mean I was

(10:06):
kind of I was when I was reading it. I
was like, oh, he I sincerely hope like for like
evidence sake, that he like you know, smear it is
over the pizza, so it's not just you know, you
did laying on the on the pizza.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
No, you're so great. Point this this wasn't the first
pizza that she'd eat and that he had done this too.
But he did. He did smear it throughout the pizza,
so you couldn't tell he at least was smart enough
to do that. The conversation with her. Cops usually don't
have awkward conversations because we talked about homicide, robbery, serial killers.
This for me was an extremely awkward conversation. I have

(10:45):
to be at somebody's door that I don't know, knock
on the door, and then tell an individual what just happened.
So the best I can describe is when I first
said it, her face completely went white, like ghost white
because it wasn't processing what had happened. And I agree
with her. I mean I could barely process it, and
I'm a cop, So it was a freeze moment like

(11:08):
is this this can't be real? Am I dreaming? I
could see it in her eyes and then slowly but surely,
she started to calculate it and understand what happened. Interesting
thing about this case is in Alaska, at the time,
you putting your fluids on a pizza and deliver it
to a female was not a criminal offense. That sounds
absolutely phenomenal, fascinating, but it wasn't because nobody could think

(11:32):
of that crime being committed yet.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
But it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, So we had to create a law. And
that's the beauty of law enforcement is these criminals are
so out of whack that you have to create laws
to protect citizens. The cool thing about that cool for her, well,
not not eating the pizza, but in the end is
this major pizza company came in with a massive settlement

(11:56):
because they didn't want this in the news. This would
have made CNN, Fox News across the nation. It would
have made it over upon to you guys and some
So I was waiting for that moment. It never happened
because they came in with a massive settlement, which which
she got, and you never heard about it publicly. So
I didn't understand that the power of business at that
point either. I do now, So money surpassed criminality in

(12:19):
that aspect. They came in, paid her off, there was
no complaint in the case. In essence died from there.
We still enacted the law, though, because once somebody does something,
obviously more will do it.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean I remember like hearing the
urban myths when I was like in my teenage years,
but hey, never imagined someone actually doing that. I can
imagine developing a crush on someone, especially if you deliver
it there often. I've had delivery jobs, and yes, you
know there are some beautiful women out there who order things,

(12:55):
and it's like, yes, I would most emily like to
deliver there, like to actually go that for you know,
as I said, I guess the the human brain, the
human creativity knows no end knows.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
No, no boundary, deeper connection.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I think, so a man I would play on Stein
if he starts delivering pizzas you guys gotta I'm in
the US, but I just want to know.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Well, I mean, I'm in the Netherlands, so I won't
be delivering to the to the UK. Maybe hey, maybe
I will create.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
A no, but yeah, no more pizza orders for me, guys.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
No, No, I think I think I'm gonna gonna skip
those as well. And you had you definitely have more question.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Again, no, I did, Like I will say for everyone
that hasn't read so the first chapter really I think
one of the most interesting ones that I found and
I found that there's some quite you know, it's not
all so heavy and dark. There are some quite comical moments.
And I will just highlight cucumber and that's all I'm.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Going to say. Like, you know, it's not all doom
and gloom, but it.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Is definitely a very creative way of exploring your self.
Section it's in public while driving drunk. So yeah, don't
want to give too much the way we need everyone
having a good reader this.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, that was that was the largest cucumber I've ever
seen in the book. The readers can actually see a
real picture of that cucumber.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yes, I know. I sent it to Andy, a picture
of it.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
He would have loved that.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
He did not say anything, just so you know who
you are.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, oh but that was quite spectacle, you know, driving
and then with a cucumber placed in a certain.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Area, special dark place.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, it's it's, you know, like whatever whatever takes your fancy,
I guess. But I'm just I'm just wondering, how do
those people who come up with these things? How do you.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Well, at least he wrapped in the plastic bag.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, and I don't know if he's gonna use it later.
That's even worse, right, you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Put it, Oh my god, but it's surely it would
become like you know.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I would think, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
That gives a whole new meaning to tossing a salad.
I get, Wow, cop works a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Those are the times where it's not so much fun
and you still have to deal with the criminality of it,
even though there's all this other stuff in the mixture, like, wow,
this can't be possible, but it is.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah. I guess one of the like more shocking things
for me was that so many of those well clearly
crimes weren't punishable at that time because like no law
had been created for that, you know, as of yet.

(16:22):
You know, as a police officer, when you see you
know someone do that or you know who has clearly
done very deviant things and like you hear but that, yeah,
like he's you know, we're gonna have to let him
walk because technically he's not done something illegal. How do
you how do you process that? Because that that to

(16:44):
me seems rather difficult. It's like, but you know, there
is evidence, like clearly visually, how is this not a crime?

Speaker 5 (16:52):
But they still got him on the drink driving didn't.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
It, Yeah, that one did, but I think Stein's talking
about a lot of the other ones. Yeah, we still
have a state in our union that bestiality is an
outlawed That makes no sense to me whatsoever in a
normal world. So I think what cops do that investigators
they work very closely with prosecutors and district attorneys to
then say, Okay, we realize there's no statute that you

(17:17):
can convict on now, but we've got to fix this
moving forward, because trust me, in the world, if it's
happened once, it's going to happen a million times. That's
just fact. So rather than get it upset, I think
most cops work towards getting a solution, as much as
it sucks, because you want to arrest that individual and
not turn them loose. You got to turn them loose
once in a while and then get those laws in place.

(17:40):
What I would say is that most individuals like that
reoffend right, they're going to commit other crimes. They're going
to so eventually you're going to get them. But it
does suck when you can't arrest them right there and
put a stop to it, no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
The fact that bestiality wasn't outlawed, you know, it just
I mean, it seems just common sense to me to
outlaw that man and beast. You know, they don't go together,
Like I'm sorry. This is not a Disney movie. You know,
this is not Beauty and the Beast. You got to

(18:15):
do the crime first, then all law comes in. It
seems so incredibly backwards to me.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well yeah, really, and to have any kind of mindset
that you would want to, even if let's say you
did have them sexual urges to do that, but to
actually act upon it when you're hurting an innocent animal,
which is in fact what was happening throughout a lot
of the cases that we were that was coming up

(18:44):
in your book. I just find it appalling. It was
completely horrendous and quite frankly so harrowing that I did
have to stop halfway through and sign a you know,
we had to, like the discussion, I had to wait
a day and go back to that section because I
was just I just can't believe how cruel people can be.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I think you're right, but again, the three of
us sitting here are from a mindset that we understand
that's completely wrong. But these individuals. They're not anything like us.
They think that that is okay, and all the discussion
in the world you're not going to change their mind.
I found that in my investigations that sexual predators of

(19:25):
any type is one category where I don't believe in rehabilitation. Murderers, burglars, robbers,
give them all a chance. Sexual deviance to this extent
I found in my career, and I mean zero percent
have ever non offended when they had an opportunity. So
that's the difference here is we think normally like how

(19:46):
could this happen? In their minds, it's different. So I've
always been I'm with you, I'm fascinated, We're never going
to stop it, and I think things like beastiality to
your listeners. There are massive amounts of people out there
that have websites for ms travel forums that they meet
up clandestine. It's much larger than the public thinks it is. Unfortunately,

(20:07):
law enforcement I get to see it more than the
average person, which is lucky. I don't want you guys
to see it or the public to see it, because,
like you said, it's difficult to handle. But is these
crimes and it's not the US. This is the UK,
South America. Everywhere around the world this occurs. But again
it's much larger, sadly than what we might think. You

(20:28):
hear about it from time to time, but that's only
you probably hear about three percent of the cases that
actually occur.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Only three percent. Really wow.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, it's just it's so prolific that there's no way
to monitor it. I mean, you could hire all the
law enforcement in the world just to work sexual crimes
like this. There's just not enough to investigate. And like
I said, it's spread all over the world, so very difficult,
and you have to one, especially in bcality, you're not
going to have a victim that calls and reports it

(21:01):
because they're an animal. And two, typically they hide that
behavior extreme they're caught only by chance or you know,
something like that, and then it gets reported so extremely
low report rate, which makes it difficult for law enforcement
to solve.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean, no, I guess, I guess thank you know,
thank God for that that little old lady down in
uh in Florida, who you know, was really policing the
park and the ponds herself, because otherwise, I you know,

(21:39):
I do believe that the perpetrator might just have gotten
away with it.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Where he was creaming them, he was screaming the ducks.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
This was literally literally greaming the wildlife to then action
his master plan.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
It was just absolutely madness.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, and again that's an individual thing that you've got
to put away and incarcerate because they're going to prey
upon something else immediately when they get out. But the
little old lady, in my experience as an investigator, are
the absolute best witness eyes on anything in the world
because they document everything, they believe in law and order.
They you know, in their neighborhoods. So I always love

(22:22):
them as witnesses no matter what the crime because they're
always rock solid. And she probably well obviously she saved
a few ducks posts that and other animals. This guy
ended up being a perpetrator, not just on ducks as well.
But it's wild what people are doing out in society.
And I always like witnesses that take the time to
call into the police so we can investigate and solve

(22:43):
some of these. You can't catch them all, but the
more we catch the better for everyone.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
So how much does the public actually help with this?
You know, the little old lady down in Florida. They're
not everywhere. And you know also a lot of people,
you know, they see something, but they don't want to
say something because they fear that they might also end
up with repercussions of some kind. So how does the

(23:09):
general public help in this? How much do they help
in this?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, the sexual devian cases, it's tough because it's so
rare that you're going to find out about them, especially
in bcality, necrophilias, things like that. You don't have actent
victims that are going to go away and tell somebody,
So that one's tough. I think generally the public is
very good wherever we're at, whether it's UK us, remember
the listeners. You can always call anonymously to the police department.

(23:35):
And I always tell people to follow their gut feeling.
If they think something's odd next door, if they think
they see something but maybe they didn't see what they
thought they saw, just call the police, give them information.
We'll take it from there. They don't have to worry
about it. But unless we have that, we may never
discover other things. And I'll tell you what I've discovered.
Some I've solved murders on just the thing where they

(23:56):
thought it was menial and nothing to do with anything,
but they decided to call an upsolving a homicide. So
that's the extent you go. So if you got information,
call the police department, tell him about it. You could
stay anonymous. We're not going to publish you in the
you know, in the newspaper on the news, and then
we have a chance of solving it. But if you don't,
then it's really hard for us.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, like it is in these so often that you know,
you think like, ah, yeah, it's that's that's nothing. You know,
the neighbor is just oh oh yeah, he's a he's
a little he's a little odd, he's a little cookie,
but you know he wouldn't hurt a fly, and ye know,
then he ends up.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah for example, it sounds but yeah, I'm just really
surprised as well, because I thought it was only beast.
The reality how many different names and kind of affiliated
groups they're kind of split into. So you had like
what was it the soup fhileu soufilio or you.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Know, just there's hundreds and so for your listeners, there's fetishes.
I'll start with that, and that is just little kinks
that you might have in your own sex life, Like
if you like doggy style over missionary, that's your preference.
Like a fetish, no big deal. You get into paraphilias,
that's where somebody else or yourself is being harmed in

(25:20):
that sexual act. So there's hundreds of paraphilias. That's beatiality
is one of them. Necrophilia for your listeners that don't know,
that's sex with the dead, So all over the spectrum,
and it just goes on and on on. Whatever that
paraphilia is. Fetish is probably for the most part, perfectly fine.
Whatever you're into with your partner, that's good. Parophilia where

(25:41):
you're harming somebody is where law enforcement obviously gets involved.
But it's across the board. There's hundreds of them. When
we could go all day talking about them, but you're right,
it's pervasive, and again a lot of them are way
out there. And for whatever reason, however, the human brain
thinks certain individuals that catched to certain paraphilias. Is honest,

(26:02):
they might be and that's their thing, and it drives him.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
I think I think Stein really enjoyed the ink section.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Oh god, yeah, the kink and ink chapter, especially the
last one with them I feel like a tattoo with
the tattoo artists. Oh God, like as a man, like
know how let's say sensitive that area is like, no
way there's coming any kinds of needle or sharp objects

(26:33):
near that maybe you know, like maybe a razor to
you know. The wife likes it so uh but I oh,
like I was, I was like I was just I
was cringing when I when I read that. And how
did I know you like that?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Was?

Speaker 4 (26:56):
You got woozy, didn't you? When you when you so
all that?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
At least Stein, I'm having flashbacks right now and getting
cringy because I saw it. Yeah, And for your listeners,
just if they never thought a penis could be broken,
it actually can. And Stein's talking about it. He's talking
about a tattoo story. And I'm with you, Stein, Is,
I could be in a shootout. I can see blood
and guts. You break a penis, and I see that

(27:21):
because I have one of those, and I'm going weak
like that's something that's one of the only times in
twenty five year in law enforcement that I actually became
physically overwhelmed. Yeah, that I got weak and I had
to really focus myself because to your point, men. We
have a penis, and so trauma to that area is brutal.

(27:41):
I mean, I know you do jiu jitsu. Beat a
little tap in that area and I'm down for twenty minutes,
let alone what we're talking about. But that chapter is
interesting kick in inches one of my favorites because you
wouldn't think that law enforcement would interact in a tattoo style.
Criminal stories like are in the book, So that's always
fascinating me how my investigations were related to tattoos and crimes.

(28:06):
So it's a pretty cool chapter. One of my favorites
that I wrote for listeners. But it's some wild stuff,
no doubt.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think it's definitely one of my favorite ones that
I have read in your book. One of the more
creative ones as well, especially with prison tattoo. Let's say
that was a clever workaround. I suppose have you ever
encountered that again or was that like a single case.

(28:35):
I'm just wondering how prevalent that is.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, it's the only one I've ever seen in my career.
And what that one was. It was an individual that
I arrested for dope dealing, but he had served some
serious time in a Federal Penitentiary with the Mexican mafia.
Most people have heard of that. Very powerful in the
US in the prison systems. That's another story. You can
ask me, how, how's the Mexican mafia runner of prison systems.

(28:59):
I don't have a great answer for you. It seems
easy that we could control that. It's not. So They
provided him with the drugs in the prison and said
he could pay later. Obviously, when you can't pay in prison,
Mexican mafia gives you two choices. You can either work
for them or they'll kill you. So most people that's
an easy choice. He didn't understand. His working for them

(29:20):
was to have a beautiful female tattooed on his back,
his entire back, mind you, and you're welcome to see
it in the book, all the way down to what
they call a prison pocket, which is anal sex. And
then they would, in essence, pimp him out in this
prison for twenty bucks to other inmates, and then they
would supply him with his heroin. I've always wondered what

(29:41):
rock Bottom was, but somehow in my mind I was like,
this must be rock Bottom, because how could you get
to that extent for your drug habit to just go
ahead and do that. But it was the most incredible
tattoo to see. It was absolutely phenomenal because it was
so good, Like I don't know who did it in
the prison, who the Mexican mafia had to do this tattoo,
but it was lifelike. It was almost three D. It

(30:04):
looked just like a female. And for your listeners, there's
three types of inmates. There's ones that stay headerosexual men
when they going to prison, There's those that are homosexual
that engage in homosexual sex, and then there's prison wolves
and prison wolves are the one paying the twenty dollars.
And all that means is that you're pretending to be

(30:24):
heterosexual in prison. You're not. Outside of the prison, you
are heterosexual, but for that time that sin of two
to three years in prison where you want to have sex,
you have sex with an inmate such as him with
the tattoo, and then you're not practicing homosexual sex. Now,
trying to wrap your head around that, I'm with you,
it doesn't make any sense, but that's literally the ode

(30:45):
in prison. So this guy was an earner. But once
you're tattooed and released from your prison sends, you still
got that tattoo, so I didn't believe it when he
told me what the tattoo was. I actually had our jailers,
their correction officers in Alaska strip him down so I
could see it. It's absolutely shocking.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
I mean, I work in a in a penitentiary myself
here in the Netherlands. I have, you know, seen, definitely
seen some tattoos. Some guys are you know, really tatted up.
Never would I imagine them having a tattoo like that,
let alone it being done in prison. Like I I
you know, I have several tattoos myself. I know how

(31:24):
much it hurts. I know how you know how long
it's it takes to get tattooed. So an entire back piece,
like absolute realism in prison with what I can only
assume is material you know, made in prison or smuggled
in prison. I'm just how like, just how.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yeah that is.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
I I have to agree with you. I think that
is absolutely rock bottom. There is no there's no coming
back from that, unfortunately, So.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Go ahead. I'm with you, Doug.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
The picture that was actually in the book, that's the
actual tatoo.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, that's a great question. So that is a rendering
like a sketch artist back when the I got I
hate to say it, but I wish I had an
iPhone back in the day to snap the picture. We
didn't have iPhones back then where we document everything, so
that that is a rendering of the exact tattoo. That
individual was then rearrested for heroin again Stein he he

(32:31):
won't right back to it, I mean, and then he
disappeared from there after he got out. I don't know
if he went back to California, whatever happened to him.
I always wondered though, right, I mean, what probably not
to be honest, if you're probably not alive anymore, would
be my I guess because that's so difficult. But as
far as the equipment in San Quentin, which is a
federal penitentiary in California, the Mexican mafia smuggles in everything,

(32:54):
tattoo equipment, cell phones, drugs. I put in the book
anything you get on the outside in the US, you
can get on the inside, and I mean anything. But
it does fascinate me and Stegn you work in that environment,
how we cannot control it and stop it? Again, that's
not my profession. I never worked in as a jailer
or a corrections officer. But anything's in there, so anything's possible.

(33:15):
What was interesting to me about the Mexican mafia is
they have a code they live by, and one of
their codes, one of their call it your ten commandments,
is you can't be homosexual. So I found that fascinating
that you could tattoo a guy and then pip him
out to be homosexual, but that's against your code. So
all that told me is you really don't have any code.
It's just driven purely by the finances. Yeah, in dope, No.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
But that I loved the explanation that you know that
that druggie gave. It's like, you know, but then when.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
They are.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Having sex, they're looking at that tattoo, and they're looking
at a beautiful woman, so therefore it's not gay.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Mar it's still going in the atis, so it's gay.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
Yeah, just get to the point here, you know, a
great area. It is what it is to know about
the tattoos are going to change.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
That Actually.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
You could be in the book.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, No, it's I mean, I guess it's a it's
a workaround, suppose, And I'm assure how they figured that.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
You know, that was keep said conscience clear.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
You know, yeah, sure, sure, I guess you know. It's hey,
we didn't break any lackers. You know, there's a beautiful.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Woman for him. It was quite a sad story that
the guy did have.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
So I know we're making, you know, a little bit
of a laugh at it, but it was it was
quite sad actually reading that and his backstory and just
everything that he was doing and all down to the
air heroin.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
It's generally sad for him. There there's no doubt. And
again I always wonder what happened to him, although I
can probably guess it wasn't A wasn't a great life
for him, even if you and I highly doubt he's
still around. But yeah, it's just it's a tough one.
But I do use the cops call it dark humor
in the book, So I will sprinkle some humor on there.

(35:23):
And that's not to degrade or diminish any of the
cases or victims or suspects. The reason is because cops
can't survive unless they use some of this humor. Because
you guys read the book, this is something they deal
with all the time. So we use that real strong
humor almost for self care. Because if you don't see
the better side of it in your own mind and
have a little fun with it, you're not going to survive.

(35:44):
It's it can be too traumatic, even for seasoned veterans.
So your readers will see that sprinkle through throughout. And
that's on purpose, because you got to have lighter moments
in such deviant criminal cases.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, no, for sure, I mean you you would go
absolutely insane otherwise, you know, if you indeed have to
deal with this on a day to day basis, which
you know as a police officer, you do, of course,
like you see the worst that society has to offer
some you know, dark humor.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, I definitely much welcomed. Yeah, I mean he's honest.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
If it didn't have that, I don't know if I
could have gone for it.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
It's really the only way that you can like kind
of keep your your sanity to kind of you know,
make make light of it, make a joke out of it.
That's why I was thinking that. Yeah, that druggy, like
his customer's definitely got a happy ending. But I doubt
that he got a happy ending.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, I think his customers did. They paid twenty bucks
and that was and then he got his dope. I mean,
it's it's wild that that's a They have their own
commerce system in prison. So there's a whole world there
that most of us never a good thing. Most of
us never experience, no.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
And especially American prisons. The American prison system is.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
And he was in San Quentin, wasn't he San quin
was where he was at. Yeah, that's pretty yeah in
America is no.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, it's one of the it used to be the
worsers that there's several now that are, you know, pretty bad,
but it's it's still a rough present you. I wouldn't
last five seconds in San Quentin. You have to be
affiliated with somebody, you have to have money, you have
to have some aspect. Obviously, as a retired cop, that's
not gonna do well for me either. So I'm going
to stay on the right side of the law. I'm

(37:28):
not going to deal heroin. I'm not getting any tattoos
on my back. I'm gonna I'll keep pretty clean.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah, No, that's I think that'll be a that'll be
the best and the one thing. I'm also wondering, how
many other cases have you encountered where people have made
certain devices you know, for their own pleasure, Like that
was that the guy who was he looked from the outside,
he looked, you know, just straight wife, kids, and he

(37:58):
you know, had his hobby in his garage. Turned out
his hobby was well, right, the hobby. How many more
of those have you seen? And like, how do you
just how do you? Man? I don't even know what
to say.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, that was no tons. So I could write five
books on these cases. So that was I called that
chapter the Carpenter's Last Measurement. Yeah, because what he was
he was an incredible house builder carpenter, just extraordinary. That's
he would be the guy you'd hire on Angie's List
to build something beautiful, family kids. But he had a fetish.

(38:40):
It was a megaely ophelia. And that fetish back to
the Phelia's is where you're insert objects anally progressively larger
and larger. That's your fetish. It is extremes as it
can go. So you slowly introduce that into you. So
he had built a box, and he built a metal sphere,

(39:00):
and then this pulley system he built that he would
lower himself up and down on the sphere quite large
and go deeper and deeper, and this was his fetish.
The wife knew nothing about it. This was a giant
garage adjacent to his house. He actually enclosed a box
in that garage so he would climb over it in
a ladder disrobe, attach himself to a Pulley system. He

(39:21):
built this all himself. Mind, you, brilliant carpenter. I couldn't
build this contraption if my life depended on it, even
if it was on YouTube and I could watch it.
That's how good he was. And what happened. He did
this for a long time, but eventually his Pulley system
broke and he impaled himself on this sphere and just
bled out. So when the wife went looking for him,

(39:41):
because he never missed a day of work and never
did anything, she even went into this giant garage and
didn't see him. What happened. She called his cell phone
and it rang in this box, and she went up
the ladder and discovered this, and then obviously the police
were called. Again. That's when you see it. It's almost
its shocking. Your mind freezes for a second as an
event destigating you because you have to comprehend what you're seeing.

(40:03):
But then within three to five seconds, it immediately clicks
and you're like, mother of God, I know what happened.
But it's okay for me to see, but I feel
bad for the wife to see because that image again
is never leaving her brain. It's been cemented. I don't
know how you get over that as a family member,
but by the out years and years of therapy, that's
what it is. Yeah, but if you met him on

(40:24):
a call, you wanted to hire him, you would think
he was everyday USA guy with his business. You would
never guess. And that's that's the beauty of the book
is some of these individuals or oil executives, businessmen you
just never know. But you never know what's going on
next door with your neighbor. You never know what your
boss is doing. You never know what your best friend
does behind closed doors. I can promise you that we

(40:45):
all think we do, but you really don't.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Oh no, absolutely no. And I think that is that's
also been a you know, a big part of your
of your book. Like they are just everyday people, people
you walk past on the street, people like you say
hello to in you know, your your local supermarkets, But
behind closed doors they are freaks. And I mean that

(41:12):
you know, not necessarily in a in a bad way,
which is in all ways. And also like it's just
it's so weird, Like I I'm just trying to like
place myself in, you know, his wife's situation, like, yeah,
your your husband has a hobby and you know he

(41:35):
spends a lot of time on that hobby. I mean,
you know, good for him. He doesn't bother anyone, He
does his job, he's a good husband, he's a good father.
Little does she know that, Yeah, he's he's impaling himself
and you know one time it was, well, he actually

(41:56):
impaled himself. It's just here are so many of those
those stories. You know, you hear that all the time
with with serial killers as well, Like he seems like
a seemed like such a you know, like a clean
cut kind of guy. Little do you know that he's

(42:16):
making you know, human leather couches in his garden shed.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, there's no doubt about that. That would have been
again she found her husband. But I always thought to myself, boy,
if we found him somehow, and then I had to
go explain to the wife because how would I even start.
And then here's the problem we run in law enforcement
is spouses will then demand I want to see him,
like I've got to see it for myself. That's even
more traumatic because they don't believe what's happening. We get

(42:43):
that a lot. This case, she had found him, so
that was unnecessary, but I would to myself, I was like,
thank God, because I would not want to explain this
to a spouse because she's she's going to deny it.
She's not gonna under she's gonna want to see him,
and that's even more traumatic. So that you know, some
of those cases we run in that a lot. But
that's for the investigator. It's tough because you're like, gosh,

(43:04):
because we have families, right, we have wives, we have kids.
I just couldn't imagine it.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
No, no, no, especially as you know in cases where
law enforcement found that that person, how do you explain that?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
You know that we just probably say impelled, wouldn't you.
It's just like I don't, I don't you know. I
think if anything could be said here for any of
our female listeners, please do check on your man in
his mane cave. Don't just leave him unattended for long
periods of time without checking, you know, the area. Do
your own detective work. Make sure he's not in there

(43:42):
impaling himself.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yeah, it's some kind of homemade measure.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Made contraption, you know, and you might have a different
discussion with him when you find his device to that
when you're checking on his man.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Maybe we can work together, you know, you don't.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Know, it's just so or the also one of the
more fascinating ones. Like Amanda, you mentioned the cucumber. That
wasn't the only one where some kind of food product
was involved. Aman, did you get to that chapter with
the happy not so happy threesome trio?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
No, so, I'm I'm on page I think it's one
hundred and seventy four.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
I'm on right now.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Oh so this is this is new to you.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
That's fun.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
I love it. Surprise time.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, you'll like that story and for your readers. It
involves cheese whiz, which again I wouldn't think and there's
a I mean, as odd as it sounds, there's a
couple cases in there about cheese with different cases. Mind
you how how cheese was and law enforcement would connect.
As a rookie cop, I would have been a million
bucks that I'm I would never have one cheese with
story let alone too, but your readers can check it

(44:53):
out in the book. Absolutely fascinating stuff. People go to
any lengths. Once you read the book, you'll understand that.
But yeah, I just I would have never guessed, and
it's still fascinating to me today. The cheese was.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
A teaser.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Well it is well cheese and the can you know
which he can can spray of course, and you can also.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
Oh no, I'm you know, put in certain body parts
spray and then I don't have your way okay.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
And for some people that feels really really good.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
And how the cops kit got involved, how I got called.
There was the guy. He was kind of rico suave.
He had two women, his wife and a girlfriend. They
decided smart to move the girlfriend into the house. Let
me tell your listeners, never a smart thing, but to
each their own. And then the cheese whiz that they
enjoyed was something that his wife and him enjoyed, only

(45:58):
it was very past emotional for her. Well, he couldn't
help himself. He shared the cheese wiz with the part
the third partner, which he wasn't supposed to. I know
none of this makes sense to normal people, but these
were the rule, and then she totally flipped out because
he had shared the cheese was even though they were
all having sex together. Mind you, the cheese was was

(46:19):
special and only shared with her.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I just I wanted to start laughing as a cop,
because this can't be real. Who lives like this? But
they did and ultimately didn't work out well for him.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
They even drafted up a contract which they the well,
let's say the lady of the house, she wanted you
to enforce that contract.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah. People sometimes don't understand if you have a legal
court order or there's something like that reinforced it as
law enforcement. But just because Amanda, if you and Stein
wrote up a contract, a love contract, that's not even
though it's a contract, the cop had nothing to do
with it. So she really handed me this contract like
it was enforcedable and I have to take the girlfriend

(47:02):
to jail. And I wanted to start laughing, but I
couldn't because she's so traumatized at this point. But I
had to tell her over and over, lady this, there's
nothing I could do with this. Now. What's funny is
I should have just shoved it back to her and
said I don't want it. But to be honest with you,
I wanted to read every line of that because it
was so incredible and so outrageous and frankly so stupid

(47:24):
that it was never going to work. I had to
read the whole thing because people can't actually think this,
this would work out. And it didn't work out. It
worked out for a little while, as we all know,
and then it went to hell.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah. Yeah, And of course it was you know, the
husband's idea to involve a third party, and of course
it had to be a female. It's like, I mean,
I'm I'm impressed he actually got his way, you know, for.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
I don't think there's no problem here with two females,
So you know, yeah, it cools to man, it's going
to bring in, bring in another female. But I can
guarantee you now, if she had to been like, let's
bring it up a mail in, it would have been
another story.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
No, he would have protested and that would have probably
ended up in divorce.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well they did have they did ultimately, even with the
other female, so it didn't work out regardless. But the
contract the readers, you can read some of the contractual
items in the book. It's just I mean, fascinating that
they actually sat down, This was a real conversation, and
ultimately they really thought this was going to work. When
you're reading the story, you your readers will understand this

(48:35):
never had a chance in hell.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
No, no, definitely not. I mean I understand, you know,
after you know a certain amount of years of marriage,
you know, like wanting to spice it up a little,
you know, I get that keep things interesting, But to
bring in a third party is never really a good
idea none, if you're married at least, and then to

(49:00):
go as far as to like draft up a contract,
I don't know. It's just oh, human creativity. I guess,
name and mind.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Sure, just no, I was just thinking sign so so
you're saying, so you'll just be sharing the cheese with
between you and your.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
No fed parties.

Speaker 8 (49:27):
Yeah, yeah, that come to my head.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Well, the cheese was is so odd. And I'll tell
your listeners forget the two stories in the book. Forget
about that. You can read them. It's fascinating. You can
go to porn Hub type in cheese whiz and then
you're gonna have the whole entire category of cheese whiz.
I didn't know that even until I wrote the book
during my research, so this isn't even a one off
between a couple of cases. It's actually a thing in
the world.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
I'm literally checking this as soon as we.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Make sure to erase your browser history.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Though I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
People like their like their cheese. I mean, there, what
are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (50:03):
I mean, I'm Dutch. I like cheese, but I don't
like cheese that much.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Well, I don't even like cheese. W was on crackers.
I think it's disgusting, So I didn't like in the
first place.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
I mean, we don't have it here in the Netherlands,
and you don't think it.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Basically just well string cheese is it like.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
It sways out of a can like on a cracker
soft so obviously inserted in the anis it's gonna go
in quite nicely. And that was the guy's He liked
that texture of the cheese wits on his penis, so
that's he would masturbate with it. He would have, so
he just liked it. Go to pornhub you'll see what
I'm talking about. It's it's a category out there for it.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Oh god, yeah, that's another thing, like the smell. The smell,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
And I'm serious, Like, I don't know I can.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Figure of the combination those smells together. Yeahs walking in
a room and smell a combination of anal sex and
cheese wist God, God's.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Son, I imagine, now Stein, I got it, Yeah, I
got it.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
I'm so sorry. But I guess like as a as
a bit of a final question perhaps where we're coming
up on the hour, we'll see how long we can
we can stretch this. You know, speaking of food items,
the mentals thing that cough drops. Does that actually work?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Like?

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Is that actually that good?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It's absolutely incredible. And I'll tell you I'll tell you
the chapter. So the book, you know, we cover a
lot of things here, but at the end of the book,
I want to put a chapter that was kind of
a relief, enjoyable chapter. I maybe you'll get to it,
you'll this one's fine for you.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I know what you're talking about already without me having
to get to it.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
And that's what it's a letdown. But I call it
teachable tidbits for the readers. And what you can do
is these are cases that I went on that weren't
necessarily criminal, but in my mind, I was like, Wow,
they actually do this sexually, so your readers can either
incorporate in their sex life if they want, or they
don't have to. It's kind of that fetish realm. No
big deal fun stories, but all police stories. This one

(52:21):
was I went to call and it was between two
gay lovers. They were having a little domestic spat. When
the cops show up, we just separate them. If there's
no fighting, no criminal one goes and stays at a
friend's house, hotel, whatever, both drinking. Let him calm down,
live to fight another day. That's the CoP's mentality, and
this was just that case. So the gentleman's name was Andrew,

(52:42):
very polite. I told him you had to leave, and
we let him get a bag together with a you know,
close toothbrush, hair brush, just stay overnight somewhere else. He
was real cool with it. But as cops, we fall
him around the house while they gather it, so they
can't grab a weapon anything like that. Just a safety feature.
Nobody's in trouble here. So he had a big green
Duffel bag and in his bedroom drawer, the entire drawer

(53:05):
was filled up with cough drops, Paul's cough drops that
you would take when you have a cough, to suck
on the menthol and it relieves your nasal pass division
your cop. But the whole drawer was filled up, so
he kept putting in this bag all of them. So,
as a naive cop at the time, I said, do
you have a bad cough or something? Because I don't
know what the hell's going on, and so he looked
at me and said, you don't know what those are for,

(53:25):
and I said no, So he said, you put one
in your mouth and you give your partner a blowjob,
and it heats up the shaft of the penis and
it's one of the best orgasms you'll ever have. So
immediately posts this call was lights and sirens to the
drug store. After I called my wife and told her
about it because she said we ought to try it. Well,
I'm in. I'm definitely in. So I got it, and

(53:47):
then I was shocked that Andrew was right. But then
the best part of this was I had another officers
on the call and he asked me if it worked,
and then he came back several days later and said
he tried it and it was absolutely incredible with his wife,
and then it kind of went viral before viral was
a thing throughout the police department, and everybody's calling me

(54:09):
asking me, how do condrops work with oral sex? Like
I'm the expert. I'm not the expert, but they wanted
to know so that everybody's So that's what I found
so cool about this case. There's nothing wrong with cough
drops and performing oral sex. But I learned that from
the call, which is fascinating because I never knew it before.
So those are the type of stories. They're all different

(54:29):
in teachable tidbits, but I guarantee you most of your
readers are going to try the cough drop thing. It's
so easy.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Well, guys, guys, for everyone listening, I just want to
interject here it works both ways, so you can also
take that off drop.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
So yes, and yes, that's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Perfectly fine, and so we have to know. Man, let's
just imagine that, like you know, going to a call
and then coming home and you find out something new,
something pretty incredible, and of course it's going to go,
you know, gonna go round on the on the station.
It's I mean, men will be men, boys will be boys.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Everyone has to try, well, Amanda said, She she might
try it, so girls will be girls, true, you know for.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
On boys whatever.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Each to the RNs, it's perfect, perfectly fine, you know,
so as.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Long as everyone's in agreement, as they say.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Yes, yes, as long as it's you know, consensual and
with exactly a human partner.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Let's say we even throw in there sign a living
human partner. We got to after you read the book
you got in there, that'd be ideal. A human partner
is not going to cover it for some, but just
the fact that you have to specify a living human partner, yeah,
I know, it's just a man like you.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Hear the stories, of course, but like then to actually
read them from you know, from you who had you know,
has witnessed it firsthand or you know has has heard
it from witnesses.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
It is shocking.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
But yeah, your your book is fifty Shades of True Crime.
The title is very very fitting.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I do like it, little yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
would share with your I mean, it's a that's the
book for your listeners, but I would share. What's interesting
is on this book. When I wrote it, I got
a call. I can't share the name of the UK
production company. You guys would certainly know it's one of
your tops. A call on this book on perhaps creating

(56:51):
a docu series. Now, how the hell you'd ever watched
this on Netflix or Hulu? Don't ask me. That's actually
currently in the works, and it's one of you. It's
one of your own.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
Yeah, women love this type of thing.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yeah, yeah, murders and the reason for it trying a bit.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Of sexual dev and c will fool that.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
There's so much normal true crime out there that they wanted.
They wanted something different for their their viewers. So that's
currently in the works. I don't know if it comes
a fruition or not, we'll see. But I was fascinated
by how you would take this book and then put
it into a docuseries. Now I can see how you
would do it, but boy, that's going to be some
shocking material for viewers.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Do you have any plans to write a second book?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, the second book was already it's already CAUSI written
in production. This contact by the film company put a
stop to that, meaning they own the rights to it
if they go forward with the docuseries. So that causes
it because they want that, they don't want it out
in a book, and then they do their show. They
wanted the opposite, so they have first rights at it
now a certain time period to make that come to fruition.

(57:58):
I hope it does, because that'd be one of the
most interesting docuseries people have ever seen. We'll see if so.
Right now, it's on hold. If they pass on it ultimately,
then the book will come out. If not, we'll have
a We'll have a little show on one of the
streaming platforms. Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Make it into a docu series. Okay, it would totally work.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Seriously, all jokes aside.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
You know, I'm only playing a little bit, But like
all jokes aside, I think it would make a fabulous
series on like Netflix or something very cool.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, there's there's they send me So Goliath is a
TV show with Billy Bob Thornton the actor. I don't
know if you know who he is. Elias is a series,
but there's a scene in there that has amputee porn
and that's a fetish where people like to have sex
with amputees. I'm not kidding. This is a ruin, but
Billy Bob Thornton, who's a major actor, actually is in

(58:49):
this scene that they sent me. So as soon as
they sent me that, it clicked on my mind. This
isn't as far out as far as Orice as I've thought.
To your point, Amanda, people are already watching little excerpts oft this.
This would be the whole show on this. But if
Billy Bop can do it, fifty Shades of True Crime
certainly can be a docu series.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Yes, definitely, well, I am I'll I'll definitely keep an
eye out. Like if it's it's going to be a
success in the UK, then it'll it will blow over
to the European mainland as well. I mean, we already
know Amanda's gonna enjoy, you know, definitely enjoy it, have

(59:30):
herself a glass, and you know, enjoy herself for you.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
Get it, right, girl, I.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Don't even know what that is, but you know, and
I I don't understand how use to not accessing this stuff.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Do you know what souji is?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Stuck, I've heard it, Sergi, but tell me what it
is because I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
It's like a Korean version of saki, so the Japanese saki,
the rice swine.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, yeah, I would like I like saki so I
love it. I love any type of wine, including saki
so cool.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Well, I don't drink it more so, you know, I'll
take your word for it. Yeah, Doug, thank you very
much for for joining us. Thank you very much for
writing the book. I guess I'm going to have to
read it a few more times, just some of the things.
You know, it's it's it's it's horrible, it's fascinating. And yeah,

(01:00:23):
the the one question that I had in every chapter,
every case was just why. But yeah, that's that's that's
humanity for you, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah. No, I appreciate having it for your listeners. If
you want to watch a book trailer, you can go
to Dougfiffer dot com. Watch the trailer, get order at
Amazon UK wherever you want. There's audio, ebook, paper, whatever
your pleasures and listening. Audiobook is phenomenal. Actually, it's the
number one seller of my book is the audiobook. So
that's it. That's a killer. It's doing extremely.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Well, yeahn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
Why didn't we Why didn't we get the audio version?
That might feel a little bit yeah, like you can
relax listen to that's a good idea. Yeah, good take.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
So yeah, for your listeners, check it out. It's like
I said, it's a memorable book. You'll never forget that
you read it, and that was by design.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Yeah. There there are definitely certain cases in there that
will will stick with me for life, you know, whether
that be cucumbers, ducks.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
The cucumber was an easy one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yeah, horses, a couple of stallions in the tattoos.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, why not. I do encourage
everyone to, you know, to read that book. You are
you know here about you are Warrens.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
There is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
You know, if you're sensitive to these kinds of things,
you know, it is, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Be a build up, so I think you could you know, yeah, definitely,
I would definitely recommend that everyone give it a go,
give it a read.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah, I mean, just the fact that Amanda had to
you know, still hasn't finished it yet, even though you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Say, and that's true, I've still got fifty pages yeah left,
But you know, at the end of the day, I
want to take my time and absolve everything that's in it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
I wanted to free for in between.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah, it's on the website, same thing on how strong
the book was, but they had to finish it. And
then the women on the emails to the website asked
the most incredible questions, and they dig deeper into like
your tattoo story, the cheese was I mean, they ask them,
They asked some really odd questions that they want answered,
and I'm just like, because I thought that would be

(01:02:45):
the easiest. You would offend the women the most, the
guys would be like whatever. Just the opposite. They dig
it deep with these questions and actually laugh out loud
when I'm answering these questions because and they really want
to know. These are real people that have read your book.
And I'm like, wow, that's incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
So we we might have another tease whiz story or
two coming up. It's always women. Yeah, well, yeah, thank
you very much for coming on. I am definitely never
gonna forget this book. I will recommend it to everyone,

(01:03:22):
Like if if if I'm getting scard and I'm technical
one else.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
That's good. I'm not going alone.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Oh Helen, no, hell no, not with this, Not with this.
I am you know this is this is a book
to be shared. Yes, definitely, So yeah you can, Amanda,
stop it behave Okay, it's the second time I'm hosting
with you for a second time. Oh anyway, Yeah, you

(01:03:57):
can find the find the book on Amazon, you can
go to it to dug his website. We will make
sure that everything is linked in the description box down below.
It is an amazing book, but you know, be warrants.
There are some stories in there that's more pain than pleasure.

(01:04:17):
But yeah, with a with a good amount of dark humor,
you'll you'll get through it. Or you know, a good
amount of so do will also help exactly no serious
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