Angels, Demons, and UFOs: Faith in the Age of Spiritual Warfare with Reverend Canon Brett Murphy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Our difference is worldwide would vanish if we were facing
an alien threat. Perhaps we need some outside universal threat
to make us recognize this common bound.

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Everything that happens now is happening for sure.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Now, good afternoon? Is it good afternoon? I think it
is good afternoon, and welcome to another episode of Across
the Pond. You're with me? You p lee and do
I have something special for you? This week we're joined
by the Reverend Kenan Brett Murphy. How do I address you?
How would you like addressing sir brettend.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Bread is fine, just bread is perfect, perfectly fine for
the purposes of this podcast, then it will be Brett.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Brett. You're an interesting character. I'm just going to go
straight in just because we've got so much to talk about. Guys.
You know what we're all about on this podcast. You know,
we touch on the subjects that others dare not touch on.
We'd like to get into the interesting realms of what's real,
what's not real, what's been told, what's not being told.
We've got a very like I said an incredible guest
on today, I'm not gonna waffle on too much. I'm
just gonna let you introduce yourself. Brett. Please tell the

(01:49):
audience who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Follow their audience. Well, yeah, I'm Father Brett. I'm an
independent Anglican priest. So I left the Church of England
because of its various compromises on doctrine and traditional teaching
about three years ago now. So I'm very privileged to
lead a lovely little independent Anglican church up in Morecambe,
which is growing steadily. It's kind of like herding cats,

(02:11):
but it's a wonderful, wonderful thing to do. I come originally,
probably tell from Australia, where I was trained and ordained
for ministry in the Anglican Church. And I have a
bit of a passion for speaking out quite boldly about
things that I find very interesting or I hold deer
or values I have. I'm not one for the remaining quiet.

(02:32):
It's probably how I landed on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, I think that's probably got something to do with it.
What I will say is, you know, traditionally, from my experience,
especially being you know, in Britain all my life, you know,
coming up through the school system and everything else. When
I was young, you know, Christianity was very much a
part of the school system. We used to go down
to the church, you know, for Mass and for Christmas
and all various other you know, holidays and occasions that

(02:58):
there are in the calendar. You don't see it so
much anymore. But I suppose where I was going was
that is, you don't really see a lot of people
from the clergy in the UK speaking out and being
so outspoken towards things that are going on politically. So
I suppose the question is why do you vary? Why
do you differ from everybody else? And the majority of

(03:20):
the vast majority remain quiet.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I suppose the simplest and quickest answer is effectively, the
Church of England in particular, which is the established church,
has canceled itself. So in a desperate pursuit to remain
relevant to contemporary culture, it became more and more like
the world around it, thinking that that would be something
that was winsome to people. But the great irony of

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the Bible is that Jesus says that we're meant to
be in the world, but not of the world. So
Christianity is a supernatural, otherworldly religion, and we're meant to
actually hold values and beliefs that are of a different kingdom.
Jesus says, he heralds the coming of the King of God.
We're meant to be, if we believe in Jesus, citizens
of that kingdom. So the more the Church pursued winning

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the world by becoming like the world, the less relevant
it became. And so there are still some outspoken clergymen
in the Church of England. The problem is a lot
of the upper echelons of its hierarchy, the bishops and
those in charge, are i would say, captured by a
woke ideology, so they're very quick to cancel anyone who

(04:28):
puts their head above the battlement, which is effectively what
happened to me. It's one of the reasons I left
the Church of England. Those two noisy which is probably
the best decision of my life, really turned out pretty good.
But yeah, you get a lot of clergymen who would
love to speak up, who really would, who are very
biblically faithful, very patriotic, and not happy with the direction

(04:49):
Britain's going. They want to see it return to those
Judeo Christian values you're mentioning that were you instilled in
schools and in culture. But they just they just don't
quite have the the courage to do it because they
know what the consequences are. And for a clergyman, it's
a big deal. Man, like your house is tied up
in your income. So if they if they cancel you,

(05:11):
you know you've got a wife and kids, well they
kick you out in the street. It's not a particularly
easy thing to face down. So and they you know,
it's hard to say say outright sack a vicar, but
they can make your life a live in hell. So
a lot of them don't want to go through it.
So you know, some people say to me, oh, you must,
you must look down or look down on or judge
these other vickers who don't speak out or haven't made
a stand. No, not at all, because it's you know,

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you have to count the cost before you do it.
But that's basically why, and the other reason why you
don't get a lot of clergy speaking up much these
days is because a lot of them are have capitulated,
a lot of them have gone along with the zeitgeist
to culture, and there's a lot of clergy that, to
be really blunt, aren't even Christian too. They don't even
believe the Bible. So I mean, I met a vicar

(05:55):
from a neighboring parish the other week who told me
I was behind the times because he doesn't even believe
the devil exists. So I just laughed at him as
went on my way better things to do.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's an interesting standpoint to have as a vicar, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Really?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
One thing I was going to say there, you know,
and again the viewers will agree. One of the things
that we like to do on this podcast, or one
of the things that a lot of the topics that
we discuss on this podcast allow us to do, is
connect the dots. And one thing we will touch on
during this episode is the et the extraterrestrial phenomena. That is.
But one thing I will just reference from that to
what you've just said is the suppression. There seems to

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be this incredible power that the deep state has of
suppressing information suppressing whistleblowers. And the one thing I wanted
to say was whistleblowers from the NHI that the UAP
phenomenon realm, they get shut down pretty quick. They get
you know, they come on, they'll they'll tarnish somebody's reputation

(06:53):
to destroy their professional career. And they suppressed them that way,
often starting with threats and various other things. And that's
why you don't get a lot of whistleblowers coming forward.
And again something you just mentioned there, they'll lose their pension.
A lot of these guys are obviously ex military public services,
so they have pensions to lose as well. So there
is a lot on the line for them. And the
one thing that you've just said there is that the

(07:13):
church is doing the same thing. They're suppressing disinformation, suppressing
people's beliefs, true beliefs if you if you're going buy
the book literally, and they're suppressing that and taking people's
livelihoods away. What you just said again, with the house
being attached to your job, you've also got a pension
to lose as well, right, So it's the same thing.
The deep state is the same thing. Could they be linked,

(07:34):
you know, politically and religiously are they working together that
when you link these dots. So when you do start
connect these dots, you can see the similarities and you think,
are they the same people pulling the strings behind the curtain?
Is it the same odds?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, the short entwer is yes, yes, it is. Yeah.
So the I think, you know, we'll go down the
conspiracy not route. That's fine. I think that they are
that there is a shadowy cabal of people who actually,
you know, let's just dive in on the d They
worship Satan and their intention is to dismantle everything that's
good in the world. And you know, it goes right

(08:08):
down to even things like the dismantling of family values
and the family unit, the destruction of our culture, and
the dissolution of nation states, things like that, globalism. And
why would they want to stop the church or influence
the church. Well, the church traditionally has been a bulwark
against these sorts of things. It has been, you know,

(08:30):
the guardian of morality, a vanguard against dictatorship. And so
if you erode the Christian Church to the point that
it becomes basically a shadow of its former self, I mean,
I think Carl Benjamin said that the liberals will kill
your religion and wear it like a skin suit, which
I thought was a fantastic quote. It becomes, you know,

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almost a parody of true Christian religion, and then it's powerless,
it's toothless, it's no threat to anyone. And so people's
religious values, particularly Christian values, are so deeply held that
they would be willing to die for them, you know.
So if you erode that very gradually, over say a

(09:13):
fifty year period, which is what we've seen about half
a century odd, I've gradually drip drip drip, changing the
direction of the Church away from the Good Book and
towards something that it was never intended to be. Then
a lot of people will be swept up, and that
won't even notice, a bit like boiling the frog. You
heat the water very slowly, don't notice. And the church

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has always been the moral compass of the culture. So
if the culture then goes completely off the rails and
becomes debauched, then the church no longer has that sort
of you know. Biblically speaking, we could say to prophetic
role to act like the prophet to speak and say
watch out, come on, there is a god. He is watching.

(09:57):
Let's go back to the ways we used to be
when we prosperous, flourishing people. And if you've effectively used
a crude phrase castrated the church, then you've won half
the battle. So I think it is the same people,
but actually would go even further and say it's probably
not just people. I mean in the Bible, in the
Book of Ephesians, poorly Apostle says we wrestle not against

(10:19):
flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities in spiritual darkness.
So I think it's the mechanations of the evil one
pulling the strings in the political realm in the church
to manipulate culture. And more people are seeing it. Man,
they're waking up. They're like, hang on, there's something going
on here.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I fully I do agree with that as well, and
that has left me with the question, a massive question
actually that I want to refer back to. I don't
want to get into it now because it's a huge
topic in itself, but just going back to what you
just said, there, you know what we can see again
when you connecting the dots, you can see people are
being placed and this is a worldwide issue. By the way,
this isn't just a UK based thing from what I
see anyway. But people have been put in positions of

(11:00):
power who are liberal, who are woke, and they've installed
that message downwards obviously through their circles of influence who
essentially come under them in their leg of the power.
And we've seen the dilution of everything, really, especially the
Christianity side of things. One of the things that make
Christianity really effective is the fact that there was a
fear of doing good and you know, the joy of

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doing good and going to heaven and the fear of
doing bad and going potentially going to Hell. That fear
so I kept everybody in the middle working through those commandments,
are trying to live the best life via those sets
of rules. Right, we're seeing the dilution of that, especially
since World War Two, the end of at least, it's
been diluted and diluted to the point o. This is
from my opinion, where they put people's impositions who have

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this liberal, woke, nonsensical view, installing all of this stuff,
and they've normalized and taken away the fear basically of
heaven and hell. They've sort of normalized the fact that
that's just nonsense, and you know, fantastical nonsense. They've done
that in my way of looking at it, through media,
the big media, mass media, and then movies and TV

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and film and you know music, especially the messaging within
the non the programming that's within music, TV, film is horrific.
It's and like you said, you mentioned it satanic, the Satanists,
you know, worshiping people behind the curtain. You know, look
at the music scene for instance, how much of that
is essentially satanic? Demonic When you look at it, you

(12:28):
see the things that they're doing on stage where there's
children and our children in the audience watching. It's crazy.
Sam Smith being one of the culprits, you know, I mean,
what's your I mean you see this. I mean everybody
sees this. You said everybody's waiting up. You're right.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
And as well, people are waking up. And even if
they're not, I would say not yet Christian, because there
is a revival happening. Even if they see they can
see that the value of the Christian or the Judeo
Christian basis of culture that we had prior to the
you know, the post war consensus was a good thing.
You know, certainly there were hard times. Certainly it wasn't

(13:04):
all perfect, but the world and the West, particularly in Britain,
we were better off with Christian values than we are
with whatever we have now. And you're right, it's been
a full frontal assault against everything that we would call
wholesome good that leads to flourishing at every level through
mass media effectively brainwashing, pushing and pushing. You know, you've

(13:26):
got this sort of zenith in the sixties sexual revolution,
and then it's like the floodgates open post war, you
reach the late fifties, early sixties, boom, anything goes, and yeah,
it's definitely folks who are intentionally satanic. They're worshiping the devil. Now,
even if you don't believe in the devil, if it's

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a total atheist, it's not good that these people believe
that worldview. So if you believe there's a cosmic good
guy and a cosmic bad guy, it's not good to
have the people who are rooting for the bad guy
manipulating your media, manipulating the minds of young people. And
you know, I used to laugh at my parents, right,

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Like my dad was like, you know, stick in the mud.
I'd be like, ah, it's always on about how evil
music is. It's a silly, old fool. But now I'm
a dad and I've got three young kids to raise,
and I look at the media that they could be consuming.
We're very careful in our household what the kids get
to watch. But I look at some of the stuff
out there. You know, there's cartoons out there of there

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was one cartoon of apparently it's on the Disney Channel,
the Daughter of Satan encouraging kids to do black magic.
You think, well, even if you don't believe in black magic,
this stuff involves human sacrifice. The destruction of everything that
we hold deer is normal and wholesome. It's not good,
it's bad. Yeah, And if you're a Christian then you see,

(14:51):
actually all hang on a second. This is a spiritual
element to this, which is really evil and is pernicious.
You're right. The trickle down to every layer of culture,
through every institution is sort of the mark. That's the
Marxist game, right, the long march through the institutions, and
that's what they've done since the end of the Second
World War.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, And you know, I was going to I was
going to and you mentioned something, you know, the breakdown
of the family unit and stuff, and you look at
how would you dismantle I mean, think about World War two,
right the end of the war, Britain, post War Britain,
how unified the people were. And this is across Europe
and the world. Actually, the societies of these democratic countries

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were so unified and essentially so powerful as their people
because they've just overcome maybe the evilest threat that you know,
certainly within their lifetimes and generations to come would remember
the unity was there. So when you think about the
system now, the establishments, how do they go about breaking
down that strength? First things, First, you've got to take

(15:55):
away the fear of the good and the bad, like
the Heaven and Heal thing mission accomplished. I think they've
done that. I don't think people really understand that fear anymore.
And second to that, divide the people into groups and
then turn those groups against each other. We look at LGBT.
It's got bigger every year for some reason. There's another
letter being added yearly almost and every one of those
people seems to be against.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Each other.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Along within the ground they all hate each other one
and then there's others who I suppose you who should
be in that category, have put themselves outside that category
because he hate that that section of the society, the
LGBT movement. You know, I've got gay friends who hate
it and they won't have anything to do with it.
But then there's that, and then there's obviously Christianity, and
then there's the introduction mass introduction of Islam, and then

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there's there's other pockets of societies, even the vegans, you know, everybody.
They just turn everybody against each other. So basically, this
huge population of combined you know, togetherness has been destroyed
and now they've got We've got groups everywhere are so
divided in every sense of the word who just cannot
come together to see I I against the greater thing,

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which for me is the people behind the curtain in Oz.
They're construct they're doing all of this, but to what
end I don't know. But you know, I heard a
guy on the other week, Ryan h who's he's currently
fighting the Scottish education system because they're talking trans things
and this is seven to eight year olds talking about
the birds and the bees, the big goal. They're even
mentioning orgasmms and stuff. This is eight year old and

(17:23):
nine year olds in school. So we've got a guy
Ryan who's fighting all that stuff up there. But this
has been put into our into our conscience at an
early age.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's brainwashing. That's brainwashing.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
But what's the next step, because, like you said, people
are waking up? So where are we now? We're heading
for civil war by the looks of things, and everybody says,
you know, and the signs are all there. You know,
what's where we going with this?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
What's the end game? Yeah, it's like the Avengance, you know,
doctor Stranger in the end game, now, mister Stark, at
the end the end game is effectively what the what
the globalists and despots have always wanted, you know, think
of Hitler, think of Napoleon, even Kaiser Wilhelm in the
Great War. There have been men who have wanted to
have total dominance of the human race. And it is

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a satanic impulse. The Bible calls it the spirit of
anti Christ. But of course I think that the devil
and his minions have figured out that actually raising up
a dictator and taken over the world is a very
inefficient and ineffective way to do it because people will,
they will resist that, and they will they will fight
against that, even at great personal cost. Just the other day,

(18:32):
I was re listening to Churchill's Fight Them on the
Beacher's Speech, and I had to muse and think how
he would roll in his proverbial grave at the side
of these little dinghies coming across the channel when he
insisted with that Napoleon couldn't get here on his flat
bottomed boats. But as an island nation, as a people
with a long and rich heritage of Christian culture and

(18:56):
democratic governance, we have resisted totalitarian despots time and time again,
even at relentless sacrifice. Yeah. Don't have to go to
any town in Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand America
and look at their war memorials and the names on them,
and you realize what we were willing to lay down
to stop dictators.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, my family's names are on some of those monuments.
Same here a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, yep. And you look at the names and a
lot of the surnames are shared across the same I
was just down with my sons having a look on
Anzac Day at the memorial in morecamb and I said,
look at the surnames that are the same. You know,
these are brothers, fathers, cousins, whole families effectively wiped out.
So we would resist. I think another attempt at a

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worldwide dictator taking over, you know, another Hitler, another Napoleon.
So I think the evildoers behind the curtain, these these
servants are the devil himself there. Their modus around I
shifted to become basically infiltration of Western democracies to bring
them down from within. And because what made the West

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strong was the fact that we have a Christian basis
for our culture. So, like you've said to Erode, that
has been their number one goal. And then everything connected
to that, including family values, the education system, the hyper section,
not even over sexualization, with the hyper sexualization of children.
You look at some of the stuff. We had to

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chat it with some parents at church recently about using TikTok,
and you know, these folks were completely unaware of what
their kids were looking at, and they were looking at
absolute I would describe it as smut. No child should
see this crap. And they're just scrolling through hundreds of
these videos a minute because there's such short form videos,

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and you know it's conditioning their little brains man to
absorb this stuff. So if you're going to do that,
you would want to do? Is if I if I
were an evil dictator, I would I would I would
I do exactly what they've done. It's a clever strategy,
isn't it. Infiltrate the culture, make you hate what you
used to love, make people forget what was good and righteous,

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And like you said, people have lost the fear of God,
and they live as though there is no God. They
do whatever they please, They live for the moment. Even
like you said, the sectarianism is massive. Everyone's in fighting
against each other. There's no unity, no cohesion to low
trust society. But even within all of that chaos, you
have a sort of I don't know, like a dissolution

(21:38):
of the bonds of what holds a culture together. I mean,
are we even a culture anymore? What does it? If
you ask someone what's it mean to be British now?
Or what's it mean to be American? Or what's it
mean to be Australian? They can barely give you a
cohesive answer, because.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, because I think I think a lot can Yeah.
I think if you wish to genuinely give someone a pattern,
paper and what does it mean to be British or Australian.
Deep down I could give you the answer. I think
everybody could. It doesn't matter how woke you are. I think,
deep down you could write on that paper what that
meant to you. But you've been that disillusioned with the
idea of it and that you know, you can just

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veered off in a direction that's not your own. I
think you're that disillusion with it. You could you wouldn't,
you know what I mean? You just wouldn't put it down,
would you? You just put down the alternative whatever that
might be, exactly whatever they've been told programming. That's right,
I think. So I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
It is a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah. So you know, again, this is touching on the
conspiracy stuff. We talk about it, and I will disclaimer
that this is just a conspiracy. There are people out
there and I've heard the words. I've heard the words
from these people that say that there is an unholy
alliance between Communism and Islam, essentially in the movement across
the West. Yes, again, that's conspiracy that I've heard people

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talk about. What's your opinion on that? I don't necessarily
have one. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Most of the conspiracies that I've had in the last
five years have become truth. So that's that's a good
track record. Unfortunately I wish they hadn't, But yeah, I
reckon you. You know, there's some merit to this. So
I call well communism cultural Marxism and this this is
you know, if people take the time to look up

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groups like the Fabian Society, right, this is Damas is yes,
and so is Rachel Reeves. And you know when she
put up the portrait of that vile communist witch from
the thirties in the off in the Office of the Exchequer,
I thought, this is this is insane. Why are people
not waking up. She's literally put a portrait of a

(23:47):
raging comy from the thirties up on the on the wall. Seriously,
they're not hiding who they are. So communism or cultural Marxism,
it goes by various names. Socialism basically what we might
called far left. They are the modern word would be woke.
These I call that Satan's left hand and Satan's right hand.

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In my humble opinion, his hammer is Islam. And if
we circle back to what we were discussing, just before.
If your intention is to bring about which I think
is the intention of the devil because I've read the
end of the Bible, it is to bring about a
one world government with a one world religion, then you're

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going to have to smash apart nation states. So, like
I said, we've tried. They tried that with dictators. Didn't work.
So the way to do it is to's if you're
in a castle siege. You know, remember that sea there's
that scene from the second Lord of the Rings movie,
the Battle of Helm's Deep. They're on the wall, they're
defending the wall against these hordes of Orcs, and then

(24:55):
I think it's legalless and Gimli have a right panic
because there's an Orc with a bomb who's coming to
get in this little hole in the bottom of the wall.
Some LOTR fans going to absolutely really hate me for
this because I've butchered my recollect Yeah, I'm completely a
para off. I might have made this up, who knows,
but anyway, they're panicking because if you undermine the foundation,

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if you destroy the defensive structure around the castle, the
castle will fall. You know, a castle can be sieged,
you know, if you've got food and water near on indefinitely.
So that's a great metaphor for Western culture. The Western
culture has been a bulwark, it has been a fortress
against a dictatorship. It's been a fortress against the forces
of evil for a very long time. And you would

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need to basically get inside the castle to undermine it,
which is what cultural Marxism has done. It's spread like
a cancer throughout every institution. If people take the time to,
like I said, look up the Fabians, look up the
origins of the Labor Party, look up the Communist manifesto.
You will get chills down your spine because you're seeing
it played out right now in real time. And then

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they need a hammer to smash in and the hammer
is Islam and the left hand of Satan and the
right hand of Satan. People need to observe this. Never
clash the left. Intrinsically, the Left and Islam are diametrically
opposite to each other. They should never team up. It's
it's it's it's an impossible team up. But then you

(26:23):
have you know, queers for Palestine or something, chickens for KFC,
what are you talking about? They throw off a building
like seriously you'd be thrown off a building. Why are
you being friendly with these They're not your friends. Doesn't
make sense, does it?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, no, it doesn't. And you know, I don't think
you need to be that overly intelligent to see the clues.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Master.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I mean, if you look at the state of the
protests for instance, I mean, I don't know, if you
saw our recent episode. We had a guy called Adam
Swart who is a CEO of Protests, a protest company
providing crowds on demand, essentially rent a crowd and yeah,
rent the crowds. And you see these protests that come together,
like you said, I've seen one with the LGBT guys

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and the blending in with the Palestine guys, you know,
And I'm thinking to myself, these two worlds. It has
to be orchestrated. There's no way on earth these two
groups of people would ever come together in a peaceful
manner ever, you know. And let's get it right. If
they got what they wanted and she reel always installed
within the UK, those people would not be safe. No, no,

(27:31):
you know they've fought for it. But like you said
that that is a really, really good way of pointing it.
It's like chickens for KFC bang on. But that stupidity alone,
that should be enough to show people that are on
the fence, maybe out there watching on that this is
this is a fix. It's a setup. The whole thing
has got to be set up.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Again, I don't think you need an over an overly
you know, high I Q to see that.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
And you don't have to be particularly conspiratorial, man, that's
not that's not a particularly it's just observing.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Fact exactly exactly that. I agree with that. And again
I don't like to I don't. I don't. My opinions
don't come from a place of stupidity. I don't think.
I think. I like to look at the situation and
see what's in front of my eyes. And sometimes when
the information there is so obvious and blatant, you can't
help but pay attention to it and just put the

(28:19):
dots together, connect the dots. And for me, there's so
many it's just an overwhelming decision to come to that this.
You can see what's going on, and like you said,
more people are waking up down But what do you
think is coming next? And I will go on to
the big question that I wanted to ask earlier.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Next, Yeah, audience, don't assume that we've pre prepared this.
You know. It's just like everything in my ministry, I
don't know what I'm doing exactly exactly that.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
It's like everything I've ever done, mate is off the cuff.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah. People say to me, oh, Vicar, I really love
your church. This is great. That was an amazing say.
I mean, how did you grow this church? I don't know.
I just turn.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
That's what you're arguing. Natural gift of talking, I.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Kiss the blinding must be what I Oh, boy, so
what's next? Boy? Man, geez Louise. It ain't good, you know.
It's like it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
So I've been saying to people, you know, and I
know a lot of Christian pastors. So it's for a
transparency my gifts in the Lord. I'm gifted as a preacher.

(29:23):
I'm gifted as a leader, you know, Like you said,
I can I can talk for England, I can rally troops.
But I don't have like what you might call supernatural gifts.
But I know some people who have gifts of prophecy,
people who are gifted with insight from God, and you
know they're they're observing the facts like you and I
are and many others, but they're also getting this feeling of,

(29:44):
you know, on the wind in their bones that something
very bad is coming. And it's a bit like from
Harry Potter, something wicked this way comes, and you know,
you don't have to be a particularly prophetic person or
a particularly clever person to see that. So I've been
saying to we are entering into a time of absolute
existential crisis, existential threat to the United Kingdom and to

(30:09):
Western democracies. So I would say that things like demographic decline,
birth rate collapse, population replacement, these things should actually scare
the willies out of folks. That should scare the willies
out of you. So you should be able to figure
out from just looking at literal statistical data, which is

(30:31):
what we're looking at, and observable evidence is turn the
telly on and you can see what's happening, that there
is an intentional design to obliterate Western culture, and by
that I mean effectively Christendom and to wipe it off
the map to make way for a totalitarian, completely dictatorial

(30:55):
form of government, a government I think you're see in
this emerge more and more in the UK, in things
like the Online Safety Bill, which is a trojan horse. Okay, yeah,
we all nobody wants kids to look at you know,
rhymes with corn on the internet. Nobody wants that. In fact,
I would go so as far as to say I
would agree even and I'm fairly libertarian in my freedoms,

(31:16):
that you should have to have age verification for adults
to view that stuff online. Fair enough, it should be
completely blocked. I personally, as a Christian pastor, could never
endorse people watching it. But look, people are adults, they
can make their own free choices. Kiddies should be completely
protected for it. I even think there should be laws
against kids having smartphones. Man, I'm that hardcore. I'm like, no, no,

(31:40):
if you're under sixteen, you don't get a smartphone. You
have a dumb phone, so you can call your mum
in an emergency, call the police. But you don't need
to be exposed to you know, tap. So I said
a bad word you don't need to have. You don't
need to have that. Yeah, So I love that. I
really agree. Yeah. So I think effectively people need to

(32:00):
wake up and see that there is an intentional effort.
It's very obviously intentional to obliterate the Judeo Christian values
the foundation of the West. And you know, if I
were to go down into my cellar now and just
start with a sledgehammer bashing apart the foundations of my house,
eventually that house would collapse. It's a matter, it's a fact,

(32:23):
it's a matter of time. And that's what's happening in
the West at the moment. So what will come next,
you know, is the big question. And it's not going
to be good. I don't know exactly what form it
will take. But if people don't wake up, and if
people don't peacefully, I want to emphasize that, rise up
and do something about it now, and you can start
in your own life, with your own family and your

(32:44):
own sphere of influence. People don't actually wise up to
what's going on, then when whatever is coming breaks upon
the world, then I think a lot of people will
be really caught unawares and be very well, be absolutely devastated.
They will regret that they didn't see it coming. But
the game is always a totalitarian dominance in one form

(33:11):
or another. Now, the hope I have is that say
in America have something like the Maga Trump movement. I mean,
love it or hate it, they have. They have actually
kicked globalism to the curb. So it is it is
still possible. Prior to Trump's second election win. If it'd
have lost this election, I would have given up all hope.

(33:32):
I would have been preparing for Jesus to come back.
I'm like, okay, see swing low, sweet chariot, take me home.
But I think now that we're still in with a chance,
and in the UK it's much more bleak. I'm not
gonna sugarcoat it. I do think that there will be
I think there's a high likelihood of civil unrest and

(33:53):
severe civil unrest, and I think that that that is
very regrettable because that's that's not something anyone should want
or be egging on. But it seems just looking at
the facts, that it's likely to happen, and that there
is a movement of I call the common sense movement
of people who are beginning to see the riding on

(34:17):
the wall. Borrow a biblical phrase. But is there enough
time for us to turn the ship before we hit
the rocks? I personally don't think so. I think I
think we're going to go into a very rocky time.
I'm sorry to be a pessimist.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
No, I agree with you, but this leads me on
to the question, and I'm going to put you on
the spot. Maybe you're not prepared, but I'm not overly religious.
I'm one of the guys who's I'm not on the fence.
I'm more on the on the religious side of the fence. However,
I'm not fully in on board. I believe in the
powers of good and evil, absolutely, and I believe also
that Christianity is on the side of good. Yeah. I

(34:54):
agree with that, and I don't want to get into
it too much at the minute, but I believe what's
good is good and what's bad is bad. And I
believe what's happening is bad and what was was good. Yeah.
So I'll ask you this, for the average person sitting
at home now watching this, who maybe is like me,
who's sort of not on the fence but more concerned
than happy about the way things are going, what can

(35:15):
the average person do to get involved and help turn
the tide of this and bring us back to the
good old days so to speak.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yep, my good old granddad used to have a great
phrase about sitting on the fence. The only thing you
get from sitting on the fence of splinters in your backside.
So yeah, look, it's easy to feel overwhelmed and like
you know that it's all doom and gloom. So I mean,
I've read the end of the Bible. Jesus wins. So

(35:43):
that's an encouragement. But it doesn't mean that it's going
to always be easy. It doesn't mean that the road
to that is necessarily pleasant. I don't you know, a
lot of people are saying that, you know, from a
Christian perspective, we are in the end times. Maybe we are,
maybe we're not. Jesus tells us not to that. There
have been plenty of very dark times in the past

(36:03):
that you know, by a you know, a very narrow margin,
we've pulled back from the edge of oblivion. It's possible.
So you know, Murphy was an optimist, so I try
to be a bit optimistic. I think if people want
to make a change, what you need to do is
fundamentally return to those values which have been so denigrated,
which you've been taught relentlessly or evil, that are actually

(36:25):
very good. So first and foremost, go buy a Bible
and start reading it preferably I would suggest in one
of the four Gospels, and you will encounter there the
truth of Jesus Christ, which will change your life. Secondly,
even if you're not particularly really just find a Bible

(36:45):
believing church. Don't go to one of these woke, lefty,
hollowed out fake churches. Go to a Bible believing church.
We're generally speaking, most of the Bible believing churches I
know are really loving. So you need community around you,
and church which are about the only place left where like
minded people like that can come together, and there is

(37:05):
a I was I was saying to the lads church,
lads night every Wednesday night, and I was saying to
the chaps, you know, it's a lot more than just
you know, a couple of beers and cigars. It's actually
having a community around you of people who share similar beliefs,
support you. And when the proverbial hits the fan, either

(37:26):
in the widest scheme of things or in your own life,
you have this wonderful group of people who genuinely love you.
So start to turn around, and then in your own
family and your own lives, return to those values that
made the West. Great. I mean, even if you're not
going to become a Christian, well I think you should.
But even if you're not, yeah, pretty pretty crap, priest.

(37:50):
If I said, don't worry, don't be a Christian. But
if you if you're looking at what has I like
to use the term flourishing, what has flourished our culture,
flowish families, flourished individuals Like you said, it has been
those Christian values. You know, kids used to be taught
the Lord's Prayer, the Ten Commandments. They knew right from wrong.
So even if they didn't believe Jesus died on the

(38:12):
cross of saving from their sins and he rose again
on Easterday, which is the you know, the ultimate good
to believe in, even if they didn't believe that, they
had instilled them them stealings, bad murders, bad adultery is bad.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I'm a product of that. Again, I've grown up. I'm
not really religious. However, I know what's right is right
and what's wrong is wrong. So this is you know,
the very basic level of I suppose Christian program, and
I think I'm a good person because.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Of that, Yes, precisely. And you know the theologians call
those the commands of God objective moral standards. So the
reason why they are good compared to the moral standards
of the world, say humanism atheism is fundamentally because we
believe they come from an objective source. So they come

(38:59):
from a source outside of the human race. So if
there is an all powerful, all knowing God who created
the human race, it stands to reason he knows better
than us. So it's very much That's why God refers
to himself as Father and as you know, the cosmic patriarch,
because parents know better than their children. So I have
a nine month old baby girl called Faith. She has

(39:22):
the light of our life, wonderful baby. And we have
two little sons as well, who are nine and eleven.
And Baby Faith is just getting into that crawling around
touching everything phase. And some things, you know, we've baby
proofed as much as we can, but some things are
not for babies to touch. And so if I say Faith, no,
she cries because she doesn't like Daddy telling her don't

(39:45):
cross the boundary. And well, she's nine months old. She
can't know better, she can't know danger, she can't know
right from wrong. Well, actually, if we consider the human
race to be God's children. Then surely, if we believe
that there is an all powerful, cosmic creator who fashioned
the entire universe, he's a little bit smarter than us.
So when we read the Bible, and we read these

(40:07):
ten commandments, which the ten commandments are like a shorthand
summary of the six hundred and thirteen commandments in the Bible,
if you read those, and then you read the Beatitudes
of Christ, and you read the Golden rule of Jesus,
which is due unto others as you have done would
have done unto you, then you realize, well, that's not
coming from humanity, because actually we're fundamentally selfish, self centered

(40:29):
little beasts. And if you live by these rules, which
are subjective, well things go wrong. Well you know, I
feel like you know, I want to eat a tub
of ice cream a day. Well, okay, enjoy diabetes. Actions
have consequences, But the Bible says gluttony is a sin.
So if I enjoy all things in moderation, which the
Bible tells me to do, I can have bit of

(40:49):
ice cream, but I can also have the exercise and
live a good life. And you flourish, You actually flourish.
So people have been taught that God's an angry policeman
in the sky. You know, God's pointing the finger. He's
crossed with everyone. He's going to send everyone and burn
them all in hell. Well that's true. Like you mentioned,
heaven and Hell are realities. There's no denying that. Jesus
in fact mentioned hell more than he mentioned heaven. So

(41:10):
he's very serious about warning people about it. But fundamentally,
God is about love, and the loving parent does not
want people to live in ways which harm them. I mean,
no parent's going to say, oh yeah, please go touch
the fire, sweetheart. You know, it's like these people who
these lunatics, who say, did you ask your baby's consent

(41:30):
before you change their nappy?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
I mean, shut up, shut up, Oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Just shut up. A parent looks after their kids. God's
our parent, he knows best. That's the distilled wisdom. So
if people want to get get back to the old
fashioned values that make the world a better place, and
also if you want to just survive the absolute insanity
man without losing your marbles, because I've been there. I've
been to that point where I'm like, woof things are dark.

(41:55):
Well there is a light source and you know you
can live according to those values. And then the oldultimate
of that, of course, is believing in Jesus and following
him because he wrote those laws anyway, so he knows best.
There you go, Well, there you go. You know.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
The reason I wanted to ask that question, like I said, is,
you know, there is a lot of people within the
population who are not overwhelmingly religious, but I know and
I'm one of them. You know, there's people out there
now that feel lost a little. Maybe perhaps they don't
want to, you know, go and dive straight into the Bible.
And I suppose go full on one hundred percent straight away.

(42:29):
I suppose what I'm asking and what you've just said.
The message here is it doesn't matter whether you want
to go in one hundred percent and be you know,
reading the book every night and every morning and referring
to it at all minutes of the day. You don't
have to go on that. The point is you're welcome
start somewhere if you're just dipping your toy in it,
even if you're just going for a coffee at one
of the churches AND's becoming a part of the community.

(42:50):
It's about community, and one of the things I've sort
of said is if you want to get involved at
the grassroots level but you don't know what to do,
just look at it this way. Try and improve the
street that you live on.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
If you can improve the living conditions of the people
or within the street that you live on, and everybody
has that opinion, then the place is going to get
better and better week by week, day by day. Anyway.
So if you just focus on your house and your street,
it's a good place to start. Like you say, just
try and get involved with the community of Christianity again,
because like you said, and like I've said, I'm not

(43:27):
overly religious, but I've grown up knowing that those code
of ethics that runs through the church is the right
place to be if you want to live a good, good,
happy life basically and with good people around it, no dangers,
less threats. I just think it's the better place to be.
And it's been proven. You know, we've lived that way
life before. People are happy. It's got a track so

(43:48):
why not again? Exactly, It's got a track record, and
I'll tell you why. Also, what's got a track record?
The last thirty years of misery? Yeah, that's got a
track record as well. And again just look at the science. People,
just wake up.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I don't think socialism and communism have worked for us.
I don't think godless humanism have worked for us. And
you know, I love what you said about make a
little difference in your community. Do what you can, which
is living out the golden rule of Christ. Do what
you do unto others as you would have done unto you.
So a little example is around our house. Me and

(44:23):
my sons went out and we did a litle pickup
and we just ordered off Amazon these plastic circles that
you clip a bag into. Bought some of them nip
a napper thingies, and we went around we were picking
them up, and we went all around the block because
I kept driving home, parking up and saying, I'm just
damn sick of this rubbish everywhere. I'm damn sick of
this rubbish. And my oldest son said to me, Dad,

(44:45):
why are you waiting for the government to Well, he's
very cynical, little fellow, he said, why are you waiting
for big Daddy government to come and fix your problems
so we'll actually actually good. That's a communist way of thinking,
you know. The state will solve your problems. Well, the
state hasn't come and cleaned up all the rubbish. It's
a tip so and there's tons of towns in England
that are like this now because our economy is falling
to bits and our local councils are horrendously mismanaged, and

(45:07):
you know, it's a whole. That's all other kettle of
fish would probably need completely replaced. But so I thought, well, okay,
I can't. I can't fix that, you know, but what
I can do is go pick up the damn rubbish.
So I did it. And I was doing a little
old lady was walking a dog and she said to me,
excuse me, why are you doing this? And I said,
well I want to make the world a better place.

(45:28):
And she said but why and she was just wasn't aggressive,
just taken back, man, she was just shocked. And I said, well,
if you really want the answer, I'm a Christian. And
she was tickled pink. She said, well, I'm not religious,
but exactly what you said math it's a better way
to live. And she said, well you're out here. This
is just selfless because you could be doing something else
with your time. I said, yeah, yeah. Actually I said,

(45:50):
I could be ripping up floorboards that are rotten in
my house. I I've got work to do, but I
want to. I want to fix this, probably avoiding ripping
up the floorboards, but I want to fix this. And
you know what too, explay them. A lot of the
rubbish is back. Well, okay, we'll go do it again
in a month. And if every neighbor went out and
did that, imagine the difference it would make. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I mean, we do. We started. We start with the
little things, even neighborly wise. We just put the bins out,
you know, when we put a bin out on a Monday.
If the neighbor's not done theirs and they forgot, we'll
do theirs, do you know what I mean? And vice versa.
The return the favor now and before you know it,
there's only three doors on the on the end of
our street. Three hours and it's the same. You know,
we do it, We do it. But if everybody did that,
you know, just a little things like that. I think

(46:31):
the world just to gradually improved. Make my world a
better place. No, I want to make the world a
better place, make my world a better place. If everyone
has that opinion and everyone's you know, going to benefit
from that. But we are going to take a massive
left turning because I would be a miss of me
to get you on and for the viewers that are
into the phenomenon, which is UAP and extraterrestrials and non

(46:53):
human intelligence, this is going to be the I suppose
the fun segment of the show. The dooman Gloom's over.
We've realized that the You case in disarray and we
need to do something drastic to fix it. We've covered that,
so let's talk fun stuff fantastical through a bit if
you don't mind, as far as we can lead on
from where we've just been. We've spoke about the good
and evil. Let's talk about spirituality and that side of it.

(47:16):
Do you believe that they're the good and evil that
we see in the world now, the commies and the
other the left and right hand of the devil that
are in action that you referred to earlier, Are they?
Is this a spiritual thing? Is there is there something
an entity running this and vice versa on the other
side of things. I mean, I know you're you're a
man of God, so obviously we're air. But let's talk
about this and we'll move from there. Organically organic growth.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, yes, there is. There is a puppet master behind
the forces of evil in the world. It is the devil,
and I think people intrinsically actually know that. So one
of the pitfalls we have to warn people about is
we mustn't think that like the battle between good and dark,
light and dark, good and evil is, you know, like
the ying and yang equally locked in a tidal lock.

(48:01):
Satan is a defeated enemy. He was defeated by Jesus
on the cross and in his resurrection. The Eastern Orthodox
have a wonderful phrase that Christ has defeated death is
trampled down death by death, and He's bestowed life on
those in the graves. So Jesus is the victor, and
one day Jesus will come again. That is a certainty.
He will return and end evil in all of its

(48:23):
forms forever. The Christian Church refers to this as the
second Coming of Christ. But between now and then, however
long that is, the Bible tells us where not to
try and predict the time. There is basically a guerrilla
warfare where the devil wants to drag as many souls
to hell and cause as much harm as he can
because he hates human beings, because human beings are made

(48:45):
in God's image, So behind these vile evil I mean,
this trickles down to little things like you know, you
can't say, oh, the devil made me do it. If
you choose to do something evil, he might have influenced you,
but you still have free will to choose evil. But
it comes down to people like you know. I read
in the paper today Kemy Baden gave up on God,
walked away from faith because of Joseph Fritzel. Well, okay,

(49:07):
the guy was a psycho, a freak. Maybe the devil
was influencing. Maybe he's just broken and sinful, and it's
like all of us are, but it's manifested itself in
a particularly repugnant way. But that's no reason to give
up on God. God's still good just because evil happens,
and we know that in the end God's going to
set everything right. But in the meantime, there is a

(49:29):
battle happening all the time around us. You know, Actually,
there are every potential that in the room with you
or in the room with me right now there is
an angel or a demon, and they're invisible. They're immortal,
and of course demons are just fallen angels who rebelled
against God. And Great Pastor called Derek Prince refers to

(49:51):
him as persons without bodies, so they have an intellect.
They're actually much smarter than us because they live so
longmulate huge amounts of knowledge, very very powerful spiritual beings.
And there are armies of angels and demons in various
ranks and authority and power, and they do clash and

(50:12):
it is a bit like pieces on a chessboard. The
devil and his minions are moving certain individuals, key individuals
in the media, in the entertainment industry, in politics. They
move them around to do their will in an attempt
to cause as much harm and destruction as they can.
That's the real motive of the devil, because he knows

(50:32):
he's lost. It's just to cause pain, to cause destruction.
And people, I think really, in their heart of hearts,
are aware. If they're not aware that there's a God
and the devil, they are aware that there is good
and evil and it surpasses mere human evil or mere
human good. There is something going on behind the scenes

(50:55):
that is I suppose you could call supernatural. And I
think if you really scratched, you know, most people under
the surface, they would admit, yeah, okay, you know that
in most people, especially in the terms of evil, have
seen things in their lives that are so horrendous they think,
okay that that can't just be down to human nature,

(51:15):
you know, like there has to be something supernaturally bad.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Yeah, all right, Well, I suppose let's go off peace
from where we normally are on this one, and let's
just go straight in being a manner of obviously God,
I suppose you've got to play you can hand with
science carefully. I suppose where do you stand on the
science and the spirituality thing? I mean, I mean, obviously
the intermingled, but certain science proves things that potentially could

(51:41):
be contradictory within religion. So let's talk, for instance, I
don't know, let's pick up a good example here the
recent discovery by Beatrice Villariol, who's I don't know if
you if you're aware, she's researched and found and produced
now data that's also that's currently under peer review, that
there are hundreds of how of unidentified anomalous phenomena for

(52:03):
the old school people UFOs that are in the atmosphere.
They're flying around, they're moving here, there, and everywhere, and
they've been there since before we've had anything in the sky.
So she's taken telescopic analysis from before nineteen fifty seven,
when Sputnik went up, the first satellite we launched, So
she's taken everything before nineteen fifty seven, all these telescopic

(52:25):
images and seeing these transients that she refers to them
as or UAPs coming in and out of shot and
flying around all over the place. So this date is
now in the peer review. But the severity of what
could be confirmed is the fact that there are things
flying around up there, all over the place, and there

(52:46):
has been for years. So this is essentially disclosure on
the fact that there are other things, non human intelligence
flying around, non human intelligence, I suppose for the average
person at home, an alien et whatever you want to
call it. Where do you stand on that?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Right? So that's a big topic. So yes, actually that
doesn't contradict the Bible. It just depends what conclusions they
will draw from that. So yeah, I've just described the
spiritual battle between angels and demons which has been happening
since Satan fell from heaven. Before the creation of human beings.
It's something covered in the book a revelation called the

(53:24):
War in Heaven and one third of Angels fell. Satan
is described by many names in the Bible, one of
which is the power of the principality of the Air.
So people often think, you know the devil and his demons,
they're down in hell. That's where they're trapped. They live there. No,
they don't. Saint Peter says that the devil beware, be sober, bevigilant,
because your enemy, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion,

(53:48):
seeking souls to devour. So the devil is moving about
in the earth, he's moving about in the skies. We
have an unknown number of demons. We don't know how
many angels or demons were created, but we know Jesus
said he could summon up a legion of angels at
will if he's so desired during his earthly life. So

(54:09):
he could have summoned ten thousand angels in an instant.
So there must be huge numbers of angels and demons.
And if you consider one third of the angels fell
deceived by Satan and his pridefulness to want to take
God's place. Then that's a heck of a lot of
UAPs of unidentified phenomena. Now, the Bible tells us angels

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can and demons can take different forms, and also tells
us that Satan can even appear as an angel of light.
He's described in multiple ways in the Bible as a dragon,
he's described as a serpent, so he can effectively shape shift.
So when people see these UAP phenomenon and when people

(54:52):
encounter you know, the old school term the UFOs, what
I think a lot of Christians do as they panic.
They don't know how to deal with that. So they think, okay,
wait a minute, my pastor never preached on this, and
a lot of clergymen wouldn't have a clue how to
deal with this because I haven't thought through the implications
of it. So from a Christian world, you're Christian cosmology.

(55:13):
They can't be extraterrestrials. There can't be visitors from another planet,
alien life, whatever you know. Et On account of that,
the Lord describes only creating humans and angels and the
animals on the Earth, and almost all science confirms to
us that everything we've seen by looking out into the

(55:35):
universe actually confirms that it is effectively a dead universe.
We've found no evidence of any life anywhere else, and
Earth is like the Goldilocks planet. It is a great
theory called the perfection theory. So if you were to
change just a tiny degree of the requirements for life

(55:56):
by one or two percent on Earth or even in
our soul system, there would be no life. You know,
Add a bit more oxygen we die, Move us a
bit closer to the Sun, we die. So many Christians
take that as evidence of the Creator making this planet
exactly in the right place, with the conditions for life

(56:18):
to flourish, and flourish abundantly. So now then some Christians
will say, well, that's it's all just a hoax, or
it's all just you know, mythology, it's all just wistful thinking.
The UFOs are just made up, or it's just stories
or whatever. I think that's a fairly foolhardy position to take,
because actually there's ample evidence to prove that they exist.

(56:40):
I mean, I've personally cast two UFOs out of the
sky in the name of Jesus Christ and seen them
disappear from the sky, so I know they're real. In
the same way I cast demons out of people's houses
when they have an infestation, or in the same way
that I was present in exorcism and I saw a
demon lee the man. So my conclusion is that the

(57:03):
deceptions of Satan and his intention is to deceive and
to trick, is that this is one of his big tricks,
that the UFOs are some sort of apparition of the
unseen realm, the demonic, and that these ets are actually
in fact demons. Now that's congruent with what a lot

(57:26):
of UAP researchers, particularly people who get into abduction phenomenon, conclude.
So a lot of folks have said, Okay, I don't
think they're from another planet. I think these are say,
interdimensional beings, which again would not be contradictory to the Bible,
because I mean, if you were to use that language,

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that is probably what an angel or a demon is,
a being from another realm, a spiritual being being.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well, I think again that Goesndred one hundred the science
and the religious thing. I think now they've actually proven
that we know that there's other dimensions. I don't think
that's up for debate anymore. I think they've actually proven
that and there's also again when we look around us,
we think we can see everything, but we know what
we know of as humans is what like forty percent
of everything we know. The other sixty percent is mystery

(58:16):
what the other stuff is made of around us? Well,
like I said that the interdimensional thing, Yeah, you're right,
there are a lot of people that seem to think
that these some of these beings at least are interdimensional.
And there's other people that think that some of them aren't,
that some of them could be perhaps extraterrestrial. Some people
have seen come into contact with them. And again we'll
go we'll get into this a little bit, but well

(58:38):
I'll get into a lot as I suppose, but when
they're coming back to obviously the biblical side of things,
I'm going to throw the word nefaeming nefhelee, yes, nefelee. Yeah.
So if you could just if we could just touch
on that for a moment, I mean, we spoke again
about the Bible, then if you could just explain to
the audience where this term comes from, what it is,
and where the link is go without let's let's explore

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that for a while.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Okay, So in the Book of Genesis, in chapter six,
there's a story which you know, is very very short, actually,
for all the inks build on discussing the Nephelene, very short.
But it's a story where some fallen angel some demons,
do something that is considered abominable to God because they

(59:26):
cross a barrier of you know, moral morality and natural
law that is not meant to be crossed. And they
it's described in the Bible, as they take wives. They
see that the women, the human women, are very beautiful,
and they take wives. So what that basically means is
they they have intercourse with in some way that you know. Again,
how does a spiritual being do that with a physical being?

(59:48):
We don't know. But that's the other thing I would
say to folks. A lot of Christians are uncomfortable with
admitting there are mysteries in the faith. There are very
many mysteries of which God has not revealed to us
in the Bible, what we don't know, And you have
to sit with that uncomfortable mystery. And you know, maybe
there's a great deal of hubris in thinking we could

(01:00:10):
or should know everything. Maybe there are things which God
doesn't tell us because it would be worse for us
to know. So these angels effectively rebel against God, they
in some way impregnate these women. And there are other
views suggested where there's a more metaphorical explanation for this.

(01:00:32):
But I think if you take a plane reading of
the Bible and the Hebrew is fairly straightforward that actually
they did have some sort of sexual relations with these women.
Then what is produced is a Nepheleine, and you know
that's described as a son of the gods, and a
Nephelene described in the Bible as giants. Now, if you

(01:00:54):
go right down the rabbit hole with giants, I think
there is ample scientific evidence of giants, and I think
that there's been his conspiracy hatbred on significant cover up
of the existence of giants actually throughout the ages. And
you know you have to look at all the megalithic
structures around churches.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeah, I mean, we've got Gay Anderson, he's a host
on Across the Bond. He covered the giants in a
recent episode. I don't know if you've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Right, Yeah, complete, they were legit giants.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
The science is there, Like you said, the evidence is overwhelming. Anyway,
carry I'm sorry, I no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
And again that's another satanic deception to attempt to cover
up the truth of what's going on in the world,
because the greatest trick that Satan ever pulled on the
world was to convince people that he didn't exist. So
if he convinces people that the Nephelene were just mythology,
then there's a great deal of evil that can be
sort of manipulated through that belief. So yeah, these these

(01:01:54):
it becomes what what's called the men of renown in
the Bible, so they become great heroes. So I have
a which a lot of other Christians who are like
minded into the paranormal, tend to think that the legendary
stories you read from other pagan religions in the ancient world,
a lot of these people who are maybe demigods, they

(01:02:14):
weren't real gods, pagan gods in Christian cosmology, or all
just demons or idols. You know, they're either just fake
statues or they're demons masquerading to get worshiped because they
love to be worshiped. But you know, you look at
the stories, to say, Hercules and Zeus siring Hercules. You
look at the Babylonian Gilgamesh story and you see, actually, yeah,
these guys were but potentially nepheline, half men, half angels,

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and this is considered very dangerous by God. Many Christians
will argue that one of the reasons for Noah's flood,
the first global apocalypse, was to wipe out this basically
genetic aberration because it had infested the human race and
so God had to do it, you know, a reset

(01:03:02):
on the world, had to wipe the slate clean and
wipe them out. The interesting thing is there's some more
of them after the flood, which is really odd that
a lot of Christians struggle to explain because they're described
in numbers. So when the Israelites go to conquer Canaan
on God's command, they send scouts in, and the scouts

(01:03:24):
come back terrified, except for a couple of them, Joshua
and Caleb, because they say, whoa, there's giants there. We're
not going to go in and fight. But you mean
we're going to go and fight and take over Canaan.
I'm not going to do that. The Canaan Kites have
giants on this side, but they're sort of shrinking over
time as well, so it's like they're you know, to
maybe it's probably a bit anachronistic, but to put a

(01:03:44):
modern geneticist's glasses on, they're you know, obviously, if they're
half angel half human, and then they're breeding out throughout
the generations, God puts a stop to it. Well, that
genetic line is going to wither over time. So the
time you reach King David, you know, arguably the greatest
king of Israel, you know, as a sheepherd boy, he

(01:04:06):
fights a giant. Well is he a giant? You know,
it depends how you measure Hebrew cubits because it was
either nine or twelve feet tall. Well that's pretty darn big.
But that's pretty big, but it's not as big as
some of the giants described earlier on something the odd
King of Bashan. You know, this says he has an
iron bed and the darn things like I can't remember
from the top of my head, but let's just say

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it's twenty foot tall. So you're talking gigantic, supernaturally powered
angel human hybrids, which were evil because they're angelic patronage,
they're angelic. It was a demon. So you've got and
they they do end up there's no stories. A good

(01:04:47):
Nephelim put it that way. They all end up. They
do sort of heroic exploits, but they're also evil and
they demand in some cases they demand to be worshiped,
which is what we find anecdotal now hidden that you
find evidence of giants, and they'll often have sort of
offerings put before the skeletons of these giants. Well, you know,

(01:05:09):
if you're a really big, strong, super superpowered, evil individual,
it's pretty easy to bully people into treating you like
a god, which is probably what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
That was nuts connect Could you connect one of the
dots there? That again, we always come back to the
connector of the dots. But if you you know, you
mentioned the flood and the giants, the nepheline, you know,
the sons of God that rebelled and mated with the
women of humanity, and then you look at things like
you know, get Begley Tepe and there's been various other

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places that have been essentially buried under silt and what
would do evidence that looks to be a flood? So
there's these and this is what twelve thousand years ago
I think it was. I think it's between twelve and
twelve and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Aged the world.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, well, the carbon dating exactly, that's right. The carbon
dating on some of the stuff that they found that
Beglar Tepi goes about eleven and a half twelve thousand years,
which obviously predates the Pyramids of Geezer and all civilized
everything else essentially. Yeah, and they're also finding things are
leaving older now. But it suggests that there was a flood,

(01:06:17):
that there was something there, you know, the sea level's
rays or whatever. It was, something cataclysmic happened that wiped
out essentially everything on Earth, or a lot of stuff
on Earth at least perhaps maybe because civilizations were smaller,
that it felt like everything was on Earth, you know,
maybe might have just been a flood in the region.
Who knows, But you know, you look at the curious

(01:06:37):
things around the world. There were, you know, the people
that would never come into contact with one another, tribes
and civilizations that just wouldn't have known of each other.
Isn't it interesting that a lot of the things seemed
to tie in to one another. You mentioned fallen gods
and things like that. And now I'm going to get
it again. This word might get me in trouble with
some people, but I'll say it anyway, And anarchy. There

(01:07:00):
are people that make links between these so called gods
of various places. Yes, are coming from the same people,
are you the annarchy? But these fallen sons of God, Yeah,
they've essentially started their own religions in various parts of
the world. And this is where we see the pyramids
and the sky people and all of the rest of it,
and the hieroglyphs and everything seems to be incredibly close

(01:07:23):
to one another's stories or account of things that have happened.
And considering those civilizations would never have come in contact together,
how do you explain those incredible phenomenons of what would
seem to be ridiculous coincidences.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Well, the Bible has a good answer for that. So
if you take the Bible as being one hundred percent true,
which I do, so that means so, for instance, you
talk about science before science can confirm the Bible, but
when it contradicts the Bible, the Christian has to accept
that human beings are fallible and we could be wrong.
And the history of scientific discovery is simply discovering one

(01:08:00):
chain of different innovations over time that reveal that what
we previously thought we knew, we didn't know So if
we take the Bible as literal, then there was a
time after the flood when human beings were one monoculture.
That's a Tower of Babel story. So God saw this
as very dangerous because they built up a tower effectively

(01:08:22):
to try and reach God or to be like God.
It was that the human human race had one united
because we're fallen and sinful and we do evil. We
had one united language and culture, and the potential for
the harm we could do to ourselves and to the
world was massive. So God scatters us all over the

(01:08:44):
world so you have a shared and diversifies our language.
So that's where so from human from a sorry, from
a Christian perspective, you know, for instance, you can't be racist.
That doesn't mean you can support things like mass migration.
You'd have to, that's not necessarily biblical. But you can't
hate people on the basis of race because God made

(01:09:04):
one race, the human race, and there's different ethnicities and
cultures within it. That also doesn't mean that all cultures
are equal, because some cultures are sinful and more than
others and practice evil things. So he scattered the human
race across the world. Well, if we were all united
from one central point and then we were scattered. It
would stand to reason we have a shared cultural memory,
but a bit like Chinese whispers. And I would again

(01:09:26):
argue back to the demons. Under the influence of demons
shaping people's worldview in an effort to keep them from
worshiping the one True God and to worship false gods,
demons masquerading as gods, then those stories would, like Chinese whispers,
alter over time. But you've hit the nail on the head.
There there are shared fundamental core memories that are transnational.

(01:09:53):
They go around the whole world. So cultures that couldn't
ever have interacted with each other. You know, Hopie Indians,
the ancient Chinese, the ancient Egyptians, the ancient Celts. These
people are almost all have a flood narrative of some kind,
with one man or one family surviving, usually in a boat.
So if you believe the Bible is literally true and

(01:10:15):
that's Noah, and they've got a cultural they I've actually got.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Some stats for you on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Interestingly, I've got biblical versus ananarchic narrative themes. Okay, so
we've got the creation from Clay, both of which are
present on that one, a man coming from Clay. Again,
it says in the Ananachy narrative coming from Clay. Sumerian
text these are an anarchic theme, not myth. Global flood

(01:10:41):
appear in both Sumerian texts and the Bible. The Genesis
divine beings interacting again both a peer of wit in
both Sumerian texts and the Bible. And then you've got
heroic survivor, both of which appear in both, and then
Divine Council, both of which again appear in both. So
this that's for both. Again, it's a bit vague, to

(01:11:02):
be honest with those stuts, but it just it highlights
the presence of both within both. You know what I
mean that there's a shared cult similar themes, like you said, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
And you know it's wider than the Anu NARCHI I
think corrupted or a twisted pagan recollection of the Nephiline.
I think that's what they are. And that you know,
if you read the Book of Enoch, which for Christian
viewers that is not the Bible. It is extra biblical,
but it is contemporaneous two parts of the Bible. I

(01:11:33):
think probably later, I think that first Enoch is probably
the most reliable. These watchers, these angels, and these Nephiline
their offspring, they taught human beings vast amounts of knowledge,
you know, how to make fire and metallurgy, things like that,
and that's that's present in the a Narchi story. That's
also present in other pagan religions around the world, that

(01:11:56):
the gods or the demigods would come and teach human
beings so certain things in exchange for worship, in exchange
for being worshiped. And the other interesting theme I did
a deep dive in a while ago is the presence
of serpent gods in almost all worldwide pagan religions and

(01:12:16):
the serpent god, yeah reptilians and are what we would
call a modern interpretation of that. It's very interesting that
Satan is in the Garden of Eden, presents himself as
a serpent, and the Book of Revelation, one of his
type of titles is that Old Serpent the Old Snake.

(01:12:37):
So it's intriguing, isn't it that most pagan religions around
the world would have if Satan were real and he
did want people to worship him instead of God, he
would convince them that the serpent was a good thing,
and then he would also demand worship. And huge amounts
of they have pantheon of polytheistic gods, but huge amounts

(01:12:58):
of pagan religions have a serpent god, and very often,
particularly in meso American culture, these serpent gods demand sacrifice
and they're very dark, actually quite malevolent beings.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
And a lot of that ties into the Satanic rituals
that you hear about and within these celebrity realms and
the high elite clubs and secret societies that people don't
believe in. But yeah, you hear a lot of this stuff.
See just tie in again. It's about connecting those dots
right with the reptilians again. David Ike a name that
you're familiar with.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah, no, David.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
This is a guy who's essentially lost everything. In the
early nineties, it was a very well, you know, well
known household name essentially on TV, and then he came
out with all these crazy conspiracy theories where everybody thought
at the time, and then one after another and then
he went to Terry Wogan, the Terry Wogan Show, and
he destroyed him. He destroyed David Dye. I tried to
make a fall of him, and then I think it

(01:13:56):
was after fifteen years of ridicule, they went back on
for Terry Wogan's final show, like you know, testimonial, one
more show will get on the most memorable guests we've
had over the years on where they've got David Icon
and David I referred him back to his early nineties
show and so do you remember all of that thing,
all of those things I said stated would happen, Well,
they've happened, and a lot of them had come true,

(01:14:18):
and further to the more and then obviously once further
down the line post two thousand and six that have
happened between then and now more still has come true.
And what you know, a lot of the stuff, you know,
he got really cool massively for it, but now more
people are sort of listening to sort of things he's
got to say, do you know what I mean? Take
him a little bit more seriously. And one of the
things obviously that he got ridly cooled for was the
reptilian side of things that the overall elite class, these

(01:14:40):
reptilians that were pulling the strings and organizing all this
satanic stuff and things like that, and there are quite
a lot of people out there in the world that
believe in this thing, and you're saying there's a place
for that, and that this could be a spiritual thing
and very much a real thing that could be going on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Yeah, I mean for title transparents, I think David likes
mad as a box of frogs, But actually he does.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Just bringing it what he said, I agree with way
he does.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Actually touch on elements of truth because he's observed, like
we're talking about earlier on, he's observed trends that are
happening in skin culture, in society. And I think when
he talks about the reptilians, you know, I think at
one point people were saying, oh, the Queen was a
shape shifting reptilian. No, I don't think necessary necessarily, her
Late Majesty was a lizard woman the people. But I

(01:15:33):
do think that Actually it's intriguing, isn't it that David
would come up with that theory and Satan is presented
as a serpent being. Now what's interesting if you really
want to probably in mind, there's there's a rank of
angels mentioned in the Bible called the seraphime, which depends
how you translate the Hebrew, and we do have a

(01:15:55):
wonderful Hebrew professor at our congregations. He's very helpful to
have us helpful in many ways because he's super based.
But it could be translated this type of angel, Seraphim,
could be translated as flaming serpent. So it's that and
people have to remember. Angels are not like cute little
cherubs from the cushell toilet paper package. You know they're

(01:16:18):
not up there strumming little hearts. Angels are terrifying beings. Yeah,
you know they're not there. You go to the toilet,
wipe your backside, and you look at the kushell packet.
God send his little angels to look after me. Be
careful what you wish for, because you know, if people
take the time to google biblically accurate angels, they make
horror movies look mild, man. You know, we're talking like
beings that are like wheels inside wheels, covered in eyes.

(01:16:41):
We're talking about creatures with animal heads and human bodies.
We're talking about crazy things, six wings, multiple eyes, flaming swords.
So the name Seraphim means potentially flaming serpent. So if
Satan were one of these Seraphim when he was an
angel who worshiped God and he fell. Then perhaps numerous

(01:17:02):
of these these demons which fell, maybe not all of them.
They are probably lots of different kinds of angels that
fell in the rebellion. They could well be their natural form,
although twisted through being cast out of heaven, some sort
of reptile, serpentine form. So maybe that's what David Ike's
getting at, although he's missing the mark a bit because

(01:17:23):
he eats Jesus sounds like an American and y'all need Jesus.
But he he, he, Maybe getting it there there is
and like we've talked about shadowy cabal of powerful people
who actually aren't just stabbing in the dark. They actually
work for somebody. They're manipulated by somebody. They sell their
soul to somebody. Like we see this in the music

(01:17:45):
industry a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
They actually actually talk about it as well, were literally
selling the soul. Yeah, that's another thing I really want
to do in Foster on the on the on the
potential audience here, this isn't just a fabrication of those
you know, talking religious back and forth. This is true.
There is actual satanic cults in Hollywood. And in the
world of celebrity that do this, they drink blood, they

(01:18:09):
do this. Just look at Megan Fox and what's his name,
Machine Gun Kelly, you know, believing drinking with blood at
the wedding. It's supposed to be a religious ceremony, but
it's it's been promoted as this wonderful grand occasion sponsored
by the devil essentially, but this is real. So just
refer I just wanted to make that and you know,
hammer home that point just before you continue.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Sorry, no, that's a good point. And you know, like
I said earlier, even if you don't believe in God
and the devil, then you should at least in the
very very minimal aspect, except that the Christian worldview good
people who worship the bad guy. That's not a good thing.
Their motives aren't good. They're anti life, they're anti human.

(01:18:52):
They're totalitarian. They have a superiority sense that they can
just tell you what to do. You are nothing but
a cog in the machine to them, and they if
people get in their way, they are there to be canceled, crush, destroyed,
eliminated because they want to further their dark satanic agendas.

(01:19:12):
You know, Ike says it's the lizard people. I would
say it's Satan and his demons who are pulling the
strings behind the scenes. But you're totally right if people
want to look it up. I can't even remember what
celebrity it was, someone really famous. I can't remember, but
you know, he did an interview and he was saying, oh, yeah,
my boss, I sold my soul to him. He tells

(01:19:32):
me what to do. It's just blatant. It's totally blatant.
They're like, yeah, well, I wanted money, sex and power,
and the devil said, hey, how would you like to
serve me? I'll give you money, sex and power. Like yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Well, if you look at the Republican Party and the
Democrats Democrats during the last election, look at all of
the pop stars and celebrities that were forced and some
of them actually come out and blew the whistle on it.
They were forced to back Kamala Harris essentially be told
you knowing certain terms that come out and publicly, you know,
go on stage with a rally or whatever, or you

(01:20:08):
were going to remove your contract. You're done. You're done
in this field. So when you said they're selling the soul,
this is legit. When people sign those record contracts, they
are not them anymore. They are tools to be utilized
and wielded by these companies, by these companies owned by
billionaire moguls. Who again, who the hell are they connected?
Sorry for the blastpheming, and I did want to I

(01:20:30):
wanted to disclaim at the start. By the way, if
there's any loose blaspheming, please forgive me. I'll do my best.
I think I've done all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Right, You've done very well, done very well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
But yeah, so it's a very real thing, the satanic thing.
So I just again, we'll hammer that point home. And
somebody's pulling the strings, like you said, behind the curtain.
Whoever ozz is the devil, however, he's doing it and
manipulating it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Again, this is open, that's the other thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Oh yeah, real quick, and again this is all coincidental, right,
you know you can do this, just more dots to connect.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
I mean it is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
I mean, our left wing story stays in the media
for so long. Oh yeah, anything, Yeah, it doesn't even
get mentioned from the alternative perception. You don't even make
the media's obviously. He's so clear and obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Now I remember I'm old enough to remember the Satanic
ritual abuse stuff. Remember that, Yeah, And that was a
huge story in Britain. I mean I was in Australia
at the time and it broke in Australia. And about
the kids, right, yeah, two kids, yep, yeah, abuse, sexually
abusing and sacrificing children to the devil. And you know,

(01:21:34):
the cops had try and make a rest and they'd
find blood and knives and goodness knows what else in
the in these dens of iniquity, and they never caught
the culprits. And oh it was mental And then all
of a sudden, that's gone. Where's the follow up to
that story? Do you think these people just stopped doing it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Exactly right? And this was what I came aware of
that story. And again I don't know if if you're
the audience and you've heard of this years ago. I
heard of that the missus went down a rabbit hole
and she dragged me into it and she showed me
and I couldn't believe. I watched the whole interview. Was
it an hour and twenty minutes. Basically it's a police
interview and it's legitimate. By the way, it's the police
recording of an interview, and you can see in the

(01:22:14):
questioning room, can't you, I think is it done in
the but it went into full detail with these kids.
And these kids, by the way, what seven eight if
that they're so young, they couldn't have made this up,
this stuff up in the head. But basically they're saying,
how the mummy or the daddy, sorry, when he goes
with daddy, they go to the church and they go
into secret rooms and blood and as fire and as o,

(01:22:36):
and then we eat the babies and all sorts off.
It's horrific. It's absolutely horrific, and if you've watched it,
we will lose sleep. But this disappeared overnight, didn't it.
There was a big upbrought a small contingent of people
got ald of it and with that, this is crazy.
And then it vanished.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
And there's even an effort to paint it as a
conspiracy or say it was fake. But it was in
the news media. It was and like you said, there's
video evidence out there of it. And if folks think
that these people just sort of stopped doing these evil things, well,
you know, you only have to look at Epstein Island.
And the abuse that was going on there. These elites,
they are capable of covering their tracks. They are capable.

(01:23:13):
And if you think it's just about sexual pleasure and
you know, deviancy or degeneracy, you'd be full. You'd be
full because the evidence is there. Yeah, And if these
cabals of people are willing to do that, I mean,
if you really want to go down the crackers rabbit hole,
it sounds like you've got a wife like mine, she
went down the rabbit hole of where do all the

(01:23:35):
missing kids go? If you look up how many children
go missing in America and Australia and the UK western countries.
Where do they? I mean that just a documentary. Imagine
what happens in the third world where they have you know,
limited government and corruption and stuff. Where the heck did
the children go and they never found?

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
And what about all these underground tunnels that have now
been confirmed you know in the US and the underground bases,
and they have also been confirmed by whistleblowers that have
come forward have worked on these basis. There's underground facilities
with housing and you know everything basically to survive underground
for an extended period of time. Perfect if you wanted
to imprison somebody or keep cattle, make them disappear, make

(01:24:16):
them disappear exactly. But that's another thing and a whole
new topic on itself. I mean, god, you know again
with the loose plaspheming. We could literally come on and
do podcasts of the podcast episode after episode and we'll
start sort of tying a bow on this. But I
wanted to mention a name, and again, I don't think
I'd be forgiven if I didn't mention it whilst I
got you on. Chris Bledsoe. We've talked about the annarchy

(01:24:40):
and the link and Sumerian text and biblical you know, writings,
but a lot of people are saying the Anonarchy are
on the way back or whoever they are, or Jesus
is second coming. Chris Bledsoe one of the people. Again,
for people who don't know Chris Bledsoe is it was
just a random guy who just so happened to be
going through some major grief and he had an ex experience,

(01:25:01):
rather well, he had a series of experiences, and it
just so happened that a lot of the intelligence agencies
of the world and people have very high up took
an interest in what he had to say and didn't
sort of view him as a kook. People from Nassau,
the senior intelligence agencies of the world's governments, not just
the US, but Australian and the UK and various other
governments as well, and even the Pope to add another

(01:25:25):
person who was very interested in some of the things
that he had to say, so much so a picture
of Chris bled So he's now in the Vatican archives.
Why would the Pope think to put a picture of
a random man from America in the Vatican archives who
says that he's had an experience with the lady. I
don't suppose you're familiar with Chris Bled So.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
I am a little bit yeah, I am a little
bit yes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
And what do you know? And what do you think
of everything I've just said.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
That I think Chris is another similar figure to like
David Ike. So he's touched on elements of truth. So
I think, you know, a lot of pastors wouldn't go
near him with a ten foot barge pole because they'd
be too scared to tackle it. He's touched on elements
of truth. But it's kind of I say, the Bible
is like an anchor that holds us solid amongst the
storms of life. So it's easy to get caught on

(01:26:11):
headwinds that lead you to well. In fact, the devil
can use these to lead you away from God. So
if you have the Bible as your anchor holding you fast,
some of what Chris has said I think is actually
revealing truth, and very much like David Ike and other
parts of what you've said, I think depart too much
from what I consider to be true. So it's a

(01:26:34):
tricky one. Why are they so interested in him? Why
would they want to cover him up? Why would they
want to silence him? Et cetera, et cetera. Why all
the all the you know, high level governments intrigue globally, Well,
they must have touched a nerve, mustn't he It must
have actually hits hit on some truth because they're not
happy about it. So, you know, if you tick off.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
The Yeah, so let's talk about the experience, and let's
talk about who's interested in So the governments of the
world and the intelligence agencies, and the Pope specifically got
interested after he had an experience with what he calls
or refers to as the Lady. So he had a
couple of experiences, initially with orbs and various other things

(01:27:16):
that had happened. And then on one evening when he
was tending to his dogs and the dog kennel, what
he describes was a huge gust of wind from nowhere
that he wasn't there, It shouldn't have been there weatherwise,
blow him on his backside. There was a massive shine
of light, and then suddenly there was a ladylike entity
that came down from the light and whispered to him,

(01:27:38):
basically gave him a gift of whatever it was. I
can't remember, but he described as something furry, but he
gave this. He had this thing as a gift. He
put it in the kennels, and this lady said to
him in March twenty six or whatever it marched twenty
twenty six, that humankind would be a new knowledge would
be bestowed upon humankind when the star Regulus aligns with

(01:28:01):
the swinks and you know, and it's read and there's
you know, they looked at it open and checked it
out on there and the astronomical charts, and that is
actually going to happen at the end of March in
twentand and six. The star will ratline up with the
swhinx and it will be read, and he says that
that's when there will be a new knowledge. He mentions
the second Coming of Christ. And then there's other people

(01:28:21):
out there talking about on anarchy and they're returning. And
then you get things like three eye Atlas turning up
an Harvey Lowber, Harvard professor saying there's a very real
you know, we've got to we've got to look at
this as potentially in nhi entity or threat or whatever
it could be. You know, you're not saying it is
a threat, but there's something on its way here. And

(01:28:42):
come at the end of the year, it's pretty much
going to be in the vicinity of Earth. So all
of these things marrying up, and again with the Pope
getting interested in, all these other people getting interested in
what Chris Blitzo has to say, And then you look
at the world now and you think, well, it's either
the media is just getting very good at its job,
or there seems to be a lot more earthquakes, tsunamis,
natural disasters, shift in weather patterns, hate, division, death everywhere.

(01:29:08):
I mean, it looks like the world's fall into bits.
And everybody's saying that this day or in the next
couple of years, something BIG's come in And what do
you feel about that? How do you feel about that?
A lot to unpact there, I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
That's that's quite a lot to unpact that. Let me
see how the old gray matter keeps up. Yeah, so
I think I think there's every potential that. Look, let's
let's let's play Devil's advocate BLEDSOE might have seen an angel,
but it might also have seen a demon, because the
Bible says that demons can masquerade as angels of light.
And so if they if they say anything that's contrary

(01:29:42):
to the word of God to the Bible, then it's
a sure fire as sign that they're a demon. So
the Bible tells us. So for anyone watching this, if
you ever have an apparition, a vision, if you ever
feel like you're being visited by a spiritual being an entity,
the Bible gives us clear instructions to figure out whether
they're good or bad. You have to ask them if
they are, you have to discern the spirit. So you
ask them if they come in the name of Jesus Christ.

(01:30:04):
And I tell you I have had spiritual experiences where
these things bolt and leave at the name of Jesus
Christ because they fear him. So it's a sure FI
assigned their demon. So I would love to have you
been there with Bledsoe and said, listen, mate, just ask
this Sheila to be a nausey this glow and Sheila
is she from Jesus Christ. And then if the experience,

(01:30:28):
you know, the person experiencing these things, and we don't
want to denigrate these experiences that they have because they
are real experiences. I don't believe they're all, you know,
hallucinations or people of fruitcakes. If people have had these experiences,
then you know, we have to actually process those through
some means of a lens of interpreting a worldview. So
he's developing a worldview about, you know, the return of

(01:30:49):
the anonarchy, the aliens, the stars aligning. Well, we've heard
people say that many many times before, so I always
take that with a pinch of salt. But I do
think a lot of these predictions and a lot of
these folks who are experiencing things, and there are increased
number of people who are experiencing these sorts of things,

(01:31:09):
these sort of semi spiritual experiences, and just people observing
the world, like we've talked about, who are seeing that
things are very, very bad. All of this is predicted
in the Bible. So ahead of the return of Jesus,
Jesus himself tells us there will be wars and rumors
of wars, earthquakes in diverse places, so you'll have natural

(01:31:30):
disasters all over the place. There will be a lawlessness
that comes on the world, so you know, you just
have to look at you know, and that lawlessness. I think,
you know, biblically interpreting that that doesn't mean a lot.
You know, people say, oh, that means you know, a
lot of immorality. No, the Bible warns us there'll be
in morality. You know, there'll be loads that you'll have

(01:31:50):
to look at. The LGBTQ thing. There's a lot of
degeneracy and debauchery in the world right now, going wild,
absolutely wild. You know, when I was a kid, you
had you know, the gay up the street who minded
their own business. It didn't march down the street buck
naked and shake their backsides in front of the little children.
So you are getting debauchery en mass. But this lawlessness

(01:32:11):
is actually just a sense of people just doing what
they want to do and not caring about others. So
you only have to look at like the he is
a little tiny example. The phone's theft epidemic in most
major cities. The cops don't even investigate if your phone
gets stolen. Now they actually don't investigate if your car
gets stolen. And if you steal something from a shop

(01:32:31):
less than two hundred pounds worth, they won't even chase you.
So that's lawlessness. That's the dissolution of a culture. That's
a society falling apart. But then you have the Bible
says the love of many will grow cold. And this
is what we're talking about. Just make your world a
little bit better. So many people are completely self centered,
selfish and self aggrandizing now that they don't care whether

(01:32:53):
their neighbor lives or dies. They really don't care. They
get to this point where they comes dog eat dog,
it's all about me, survival of the fittest, and those
are the sort of signs to a degree, human beings
have always been this way because we're broken and sinful,
says the Bible, and we all need Jesus to fix us.

(01:33:14):
It's going to ramp up now. We talked about the
flood of Noah and the crazy stuff that happened. Then
the Bible says, Jesus says, as it was in the
days of Noah, so it will be before his return.
So I think, actually the world will go to hell
in a handbasket before Jesus returns. And I reckon, that's
what a lot of these folks are experiencing what they

(01:33:36):
might not have a world view to process it through,
which is why I try and be so public and
bringing the Bible into the public sphere, because it gives
us a worldview of truth, objective standards of truth through
which to process this, and that's where you end up
with lots of different theories. So I think, you know,
if you look at the Book of Revelation, there is
going to be a massive battle at the end time

(01:33:57):
between angels and demons and the armies of the world.
Then well, you know, people might believe that that's the
anunarchy returning. So it will be in the lead up
to the second coming of Jesus like the most chaotic, terrifying,
horrific time in human history. And it's all predicated by

(01:34:21):
an increase in evil the earth itself, you know, reacting
to this this emergence, which is what.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
It feels like now when you think about the mother
Earth itself, you forget about the people and the idiot
humans that are on this planet making things worse. But
for you know, look at the planet itself, the way
it's reacting. We're seeing shifts now, you know, we're seeing
the poles shift. We're seeing this crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
It's interesting you call the Earth mother Earth because the
Bible says that it's like the birth pangs, So it's
like the contractions of women going into labor. It feels
like that in a minute, doesn't And contractions. Whenever I
preach on this, man, I tell people, hey, contractions. I
mean I've been there for three berths. So contractions get
more intense and closer together. And that's what we're seeing.

(01:35:08):
The intensity, but the intensification of the various things happening
on the Earth. I mean probably a whole kettle of fish.
But you only have to look at the crazy Covid
malarkey to see how totalitarian things can get very in
short order. But also the natural events happening, they get
closer and closer together, but they get worse and worse,

(01:35:31):
that's the thing. But the part of it's God's mercy.
Man part of its God's mercy. So God lets these
things happen so that people wake up. People need to
be you know, a slap in the face to snap
out of things. Sometimes, you know, there's a lot of complacency,
a lot of apathy. And like we've been saying, people
are waking up. There is a mass revival happening of
biblical churches, I mean my little churches. I mean started

(01:35:54):
it with two people two years ago and we're pushing
fifty people now. So God is doing something. People are saying,
all right, Okay, I need to get somewhere. I need
to I need to make sense of what the hell's
happening here. And that can sometimes only happen when you
know the proverbial hits the fin.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
And when you look at the stay of the world
and the way that it's going. Now, there is a
wake up going on, there is, and it seems that
by the skin of our teeth we're dodging serious cataclysmic
threats daily with the I mean, what with a month
ago there was I ran and America and all of that,
and you think with seconds away from it, and then
a week later you think, oh, it's calmed down, and

(01:36:32):
then China Thailand decided to attack that a Mongolia and
you think, oh my god, that could trigger China take
in Taiwan. Then when you look at the geopolitical state,
we're on a knife edge and it seems that there's
a lot of nuclear weapons around. But again we refer
back to a lot of from whatever they are above,
again you see a lot of a lot of these

(01:36:53):
are playing with the nuclear weapon basis from what reports
are saying, this is today, and they're very interested in
the nuclear weapons that humans have gone. It's like idiots,
like babies with matches, basic, and that's what we are
and did it playing a lot with these nuclear weapons.
Hopefully it doesn't get to that. But what you're saying
with the end days, things are going to get way
worse before the coming of Christ, and things could potentially

(01:37:14):
get better. Hopefully we don't see a nuclear war. I
hope to God that it isn't that that's not the
trigger for this whole And what we're seeing now is
I want to say, optimistically, as bad as it gets,
I don't think it's going to get that way. But
you know, I don't think I think there's probably a
good place to finish as any there really for now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Any clear clear?

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Yeah, well, well we'll finish positively. But what I say,
we'll tie about on it for now. What I want
to do is get you on again. Absolutely. I've really
enjoyed the brilliant, incredibly insightful. We've scratched the surface. I
think of some of the things that we could talk
about for hours. So I definitely would like to get
you back on again at some point in the future,

(01:37:55):
for sure. What I would like you to do, if
you will for me, is leave the people with a message.
If you're a casual UK resident or world resident like
I am, you're not overly religious, you can just tell
the difference between what's good and what's bad. Have we
got a message for us all out there now? Because
he's a bleak place, like we've said already a number
of times on this podcast, it's a bleak world we

(01:38:15):
live in. But there is a light at the end
of the tunnel. Please do give us a message to
go away with.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Yeah, I'll give you something better than nuclear annihilation. Yes,
but look, I would say to people, yeah it is Look,
let's be realists. Okay, it is a very dark time
for the world, particularly in Britain. We are facing I
would say, insurmountable challenges, existential threats. I would encourage everybody.

(01:38:42):
I would say, look, I have read the Bible eight
times through and I'm a nine thread through and I
can tell you the encouragement is that actually God does
love us, and he does desire to have a relationship
with you through his son Jesus, and that actually, in
the end of everything, at the end of history, Jesus wins.

(01:39:04):
And so when I wake up in the morning and
I turn on the news or I check my x
feed and it is trouble and strife. Yeah, there's definitely
a spiritual battle going on. There's definitely a war going
on between good and evil. But I remember that actually,
ultimately Jesus wins, and I want to be on the
winning side. So seriously consider the truth claims of Christianity.

(01:39:29):
Seriously consider, I mean real biblical Christianity. You know, don't
go into a church with some blue headed lesbian. For
God's sakes, find a Bible believing pastor seriously consider these things.
Read the Bible for yourself. You know, you've got a
brain God's given you reason and will and it's you know,
there's a lot of misinformation put out there about the Bible,
like it's difficult to read or it's so onerous. It

(01:39:51):
is a book that transforms lives because it's superintended by God.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
You can even get an audio version now if you're
not you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Can with David Soochet as my favorite, very calm.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
You can listen to the audiobook now if you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
Get an app on your phone, now just play, yeah,
play it. Play the old audio Bible and start starting
the Gospel of John because I think that's the one
of the most beautiful depictions of the life of Jesus.
And you'll encounter this man who I believe and Christians
believe was God in human flesh, and who loves you
so much he was willing to die for you. And
then even if you I think by that, but let's

(01:40:28):
say she probably would have given your life to Jesus,
because he's pretty compelling. But even if you haven't, go
to a church of people who are you know, like you,
who are concerned about the state of the world, who
are looking for hope, and you know you nailed it before. Brother.
Our little church runs a coffee morning every Friday, and
we give out free hot food and hot drinks and

(01:40:50):
cake and just go and be amongst people and the
sense of community and the sense of belonging, because it's
really hard to go it alone. It's really hard to
go on alone. And then I would, you know, hope
those Christians would convert you. But just be among people
who are good, wholesome people. Man. You know there's a

(01:41:10):
guy who started. I'll give a shout out to my
mate Rob. He'll love this. It'll be tickled Pink. He's
just started coming to our church maybe two months ago.
He walked in the door. He followed me online for
two years. He was really nervous to come to church.
Not a religious person, not used to church. And look,
I'll be frank. Christianity, biblical Christianity can be really weird.
You know, you come to my church. There's candles and incense,

(01:41:32):
and there's a pipe org and weird songs you've never heard,
and you know the pastor is in like address, Why
is this guy dressed up in robes? What is this?
It's nothing like it in the world. It's actually meant
to be that way. It's meant to be a little
window down what heaven is like, but in very imperfect,
but it's meant to be a window of Heaven, right.
The liturgy reflects the divine reality that God is always
worshiped by heaven, by angels in heaven, and people have

(01:41:55):
gone to heaven. And you know, it's a big deal
if you've never been to church, but just by the bullet,
give it a go. Because Rob he's given his heart
to Jesus, which is amazing. But he says, I've never
felt loved by a group of people before in the
way that this church family loves me. And Rob won't
mind me saying this, like he was expecting to be judged.

(01:42:16):
He's covered head to toe in tattoos, he's got face tattoos.
He was expecting, you know, stick in the mud, judgmental
Christians to be like ew. But we don't care, don't
care what you look like. People have me as their
past or. I mean it's because this ugly bastard as
their pastor. So you just come to church and get
to know people and find a place of belonging because

(01:42:37):
it is really bleak out there. And I mean, if
I wasn't a Christian and I didn't have my church
family around me, I would be devastated. I can't imagine
how bleak that would be.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
So just I'll be honest, if you're speaking from experience,
I kind of feel like that it's a dark place
at the minute in the real world. And I think
that's something that I've been struggling with maybe the last
year and a half, two years ago. I just think,
where's the where's the light, where's the hope? And like
you've just said, there, I'm not I'm not overly religious,
but I feel like now is the time for people,

(01:43:10):
good people to be around with the good people and
to make a difference. And that message that you've just
given there and says all of that. So even if
like casual your casual worship are a casual Christian, it
doesn't matter. Just go and be around good people and
make a difference in your world. And maybe we will.
Maybe we could steer the ship, you know, steady the ship.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
We might be able to turn the Titanic back. Yeah,
there's there's one close and thought I'll give you John
one five is describing Jesus. Is one of the names
for Jesus is the light, the light of the world.
So when you feel hopeless, Remember this, The light shines
in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.
So Jesus is the light, don't you know? It's easy

(01:43:52):
to look into the abyss and become terrified, but actually,
you know, Jesus wins. It always wins, It always wins.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Revan Cannon, Bet Murphy, thank you so much for jumping
on and being our guest today. It's been incredible. If
people do want to follow you and you want to
get involved with what you're doing personally, or where do
they find you? Where can people.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Find well, if you want to follow far right bigot,
I suppose you could find me on YouTube. You just
search Rev. Brett Murphy find me on Facebook. So that's
been growing nicely lately. Same thing Rev Can and Brett
Murphy and on Twitter Rex as well well, and.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
We'll get your links in the in the description below
if people do want to find you a little bit easier. Again,
thank you so much for coming on and being our guest.
You've been brilliant me and would definitely get you back
on again in the future. Otherwise, thank you everybody for
tuning in and watching. Please do like and subscribe it.
The notification Bell and thanks a lot and we'll see
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