Circus of Shadows: Clowns, Conmen & the Hidden Hand with Paul Stobbs

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unexplained and the conspiracies that keep them hidden. And today
we have with us Paul Paul Stops from Understanding Conspiracy.
You might recognize him as the the clown and Nefolm guy.
He's done a whole book about that podcasting tour. I've

(01:44):
had him on my own show ten months ago now,
so it's been a while. UM, thank you for thank you,
for coming.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
On, man, no no problem, thanks for having me. Yeah,
ten months has flown by, yea so fast, like I
was just talking to Afair, wasn't it. But it's like
I published it like a year ago, just did like
a round of like podcast circuit visits just non stop,
but every week just took to like hundreds of people,

(02:14):
and it's just been a wild write since then, it
really has. And I've just I've just finished recording the
audiobook to kind of like finish off that first volume
because I wasn't happy with the first quality of the
first book. I felt like when I was reading it
out loud, I was like, there's so many problems here.
This is not flow right, because it's when it's in
your head and your type and it sounds great, but

(02:35):
when you say it out loud, it's like this is
this sounds terrible. So I kind of restructured the whole
book now to kind of flow as if you could.
It's me speaking in a more of a way. And
so the second edition has also been uploaded to Amazon
as well now, which has replaced the old. So I've
kind of finished volume one. It's done, you know, I
don't have to look at that. Ever, again, the audiobook's done,

(02:56):
that's been ready to go, so I can just focus
on the second book now and hopefully I'll just start
doing the podcast circuit again in like maybe a year.
I never thought I would be talking about clowns so
much in my entire life. I did not grow up
thinking this would be my life. But this is my
life now, So there you go.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, I mean doing podcasts is like doing it's the
new press tour kind of yeah. Yeah, so yeah, we
kind of have a well similar topic in in mind
for today, not not clowns necessarily, I'll spare you that

(03:33):
for now, well kind of related like I saw you,
I like saw some clips that you did on another
another podcast about the history of the circus and freak
shows and carnivals, et cetera. And I mean most of
us know that, you know, the circus, it's kind of

(03:56):
a it's kind of a shady, shady business, you know,
like the the Angel trope, Like I'm running away and
joining the circus, so you know the runaway kids. We've
all seen the the Pinocchio film of course, where you know,
joining the circus is a great, great idea dark film.

(04:20):
Oh god. Yeah, But it's supposed to be a kids film,
like yeah, sure.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, and especially the you know, the big name in
all of them, of course, P. T.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Barnum, who is a very controversial figure of course.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well circuses are I mean I did, I didn't really
know much about them us doing the research for the book.
To be honest, I've never really been a guy who's
like cared about clowns or circuses, you know, And it's
just it was just I pulled on a thread and
he just winding forever, you know, and I end up
going into the circus where and you know, to summarize quickly,
what I learned is that most of the early circuses,

(05:05):
the first what we call a circus traditionally with a
tent and clowns and animals, were all free Mason lead,
every single one of them. It was all completely just
a free mason affair from start to finish. And in America,
you know, there's quite it's quite a nice an itinerant
nature to it, where it's like a coming and going
staff continuously and it's like a traveling troop that ever

(05:27):
stationary in one spot that people kind of live and
breathe and live with the circus. That's their life, you know,
And it definitely breeds like a charlatan esque type of
culture where it's like rich business men are kind of
doing it to make money and the kind of of
a shady character that I don't really care about entertainment necessarily,

(05:49):
but more about making money. So yeah, the staff were
definitely not treated very well throughout the process of being
in the circus, but I think some people were just
or to perform as well, So it was a good
opportunity for many of them, like I said, running away
and joining the circus worlds could you go? And but
when P. T. Barnum got involved, which actually quite late

(06:10):
to the game, he was a sixty year old man
when he got involved in circuses. Prior to that, he
was like just just a con man, a pure con man,
is the only way to explain it. He had like
a I think it was in New York. He had
like this weird museum of curiosities type thing, you know,
and and it was just full of crappy stolen and

(06:34):
gathered from all over the earth, you know, and he'd
like give it amazing little like descriptions as though it
meant something or was something mystical and weird, you know.
And he just covered this this this building full of stuff.
And he had many controversies. One of them was a
good example is he basically sewed a monkey head to
a fish body and advertised it as having a real

(06:54):
mermaid on display. Things like this, you know. And and
I think even like Charles Dickens came to have a look.
And all this time, Yeah, I influenced quite a lot
of famous people, you know, But it was all just
one con after another. Quite famously, P. T. Barnum was
the guy who who's been equated with saying the phrase
is a sucker born every minute. But it turns out

(07:16):
he actually wasn't him, saying that it was the prosecutor
presiding over a court case he was involved with. Well,
basically he had faked having a giant skeleton like a
mummy of a giant. I think he made it like
paper mashes or something. He made have something great basically,
you know. And he's saying, I've got a real giant

(07:37):
skeleton like mummy on display, Come see it at my
museum type of thing. And he got sued by another
guy who claimed he had the real Mummy's body the
Giant Mummy and he stole the idea from it. It
has been stealing his profits and thunder. But this guy
over here really dug one up, you know, but his
is fake, like pet barn is fake. Mind's real type

(07:59):
of court case rose and the judge was like this
is absolutely ridiculous and just threw the whole court case out.
I stopped wasting my time type of thing. And that's
whether And then it was him who said, there's a
soccer bone every minute, like over this idea, this concept.
You know that people have falling this crappen and it's
just his life is just punctuated with stuff like that continuously.

(08:20):
Before before even he had this this show. He ran
a lottery in the Northeast America. I think it was
like Pennsylvania maybe can we getting that wrong, But it's
that region just above New York and he like New
England region, you know that that type of area, and
he basically ran like a local lottery. But then the

(08:41):
local parishioners and the church started going against him and
we're running to pass a bill to make gambling illegal,
and he in revolt to that, he created a newspaper
where he did nothing but rip into all of these
people and like just completely like lambass them every week
and just make stuff up about them and call them

(09:02):
weirdos and losers basically, just and he ended up being
sued for libel and slander and all this type of stuff,
and the bill the bill passed in the end and
he had to stop close up shop, you know what
I mean. So that's when he created this other idea,
this idea of like a fake display of curious items

(09:23):
and all this type of stuff. And he got involved
with a group of people who were kind of like
a freak show situation, performers, you know, a troop of
performers in a way, and then eventually incorporated them into
this museum situation. So he was really the person who
kind of fostered the idea of the being like a
side show to the main event people performers or something

(09:43):
to kind of buffer up his his museum in a sense.
You know, come and see the bearded lady as well
as the fish mermaid head thing, you know, and it's
kind of it's that type of thing. It's it's come
and see the thing that he had He had an
f what it's like a very loose relative. I think
it was like a nephew, maybe like a second cousin

(10:04):
nephew's type of situation. And he was a very small
person who was like three foot tall, and he basically,
he basically offered his cousin or sister or something like that,
is he is he still with us? Have we lost him?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
No?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
He yeah. He basically he got this little person basically,
and this person obviously has had something getically wrong with him,
but he said, join my circus, and now his his

(10:41):
I think it was his. He must have been his
sister in law or something like that. I can't remember.
Very loose relative, you know, but he basically they were
poor and desperate and he was like, well, you know,
sell him to me. He can come join my thing
and be a part of my little troupe. And he
trained the little boy up he's only young at the time,
I think, like five years old, and joined pet bottom.
He trained him out to perform, and he was a
really good performer, he actually and people loved him. And

(11:04):
he called him General Tom Thumb. That was like a
stage name named after a character in a book written
at the same time of a very small person who
lived in a land of giants, So he's kind of
here is general Tom Thumb, you know. But he was actually,
funnily enough, he died of a I think of a stroke,
like at the age of like forty or something like this.

(11:24):
But he died a thirty third degree Freemason with full
honors of the Knights templar, highest degree type of thing.
And he was introduced into the Freemasonry through P. T. Barnham,
who was a member of the Odd Fellows and obviously
a Freemason as well. And the odd Fellows are an
odd group of people. And the Odd Fellows, if you
look at the like the list of people who were

(11:46):
involved with being a member of this particular fraternity, for
were all world leaders, kings, princes, senators, presidents, prime ministers
from all over the continents, you know, everywhere. Mainly of
primary are the or white you know, the Anglo sphere
type world, you know, and the European that's generally where

(12:06):
Freemasonry is held, you know. But they were all either
kings and rulers or musicians and actors. That's who they
have in this group of odd Fellows. What an odd
mix of people, what an odd blend of characters, what
of what of kings got to do for fraternizing with
Charlie Chaplin, you know, for example, or burl Ives or

(12:29):
you know, just and p Barnham, the guy runs the
circus seas and has a freak show, you know. And
I wonder if what if they're oldest actors, every single
one of them are performers, including the world leaders. You know,
maybe that maybe these people are just in the business
of cultural creation and they have a role to play
on the world stage. I don't know, because if you're
getting into the idea that the whole world's controlled by
secret societies, then which is it just seems odd that

(12:53):
world leaders are mingling with actors like primarily and they're
on the same level. You know.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
We saw that during like the was it like the
beginning of the Ukraine War, you know, like was it
Ben Ben Stiller or something like you know.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Taking I think Sean Penn went over as well, didn't he.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, like all kinds of famous actors, you know,
standing up on their soapbox and like preaching to you know,
to the regular people, like you know, go help Ukraine,
go donate even though we are worth millions your money,
you know, just like like Opera and the Rock like
in Hawaii, like we are dedicated to donate like was

(13:37):
it ten mil both worth like Opera's worth billions. The
Rock is worth like hundreds of millions, But we are
dedicated to donate someone else's money.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, isn't isn't Zelensky himself an actor? Yeah, it all
kind of makes sense when you go back into the
history here. You know, it's always been the case. They're
all in one big club, you know, and it's all
they all have roles to play on the world stage.
And I think PT. Bond was just as equally as

(14:10):
a part of that as anyone else. Even Albert Pike
himself was an odd fellow, you know, and it's it's
kind of they're all strange bedfellows, you know. But like
I said, in terms of like circuses of this time period,
Pet Barnum, yeah he was. He He is the guy
who created the Three Rings circus. So you know, his
his little stationary show was good and all, but he

(14:32):
wanted more. He wanted to go bigger, you know, so
he teamed up with Barnum. Peter so Sorry. Bailey and
Bailey had the the animals and Barnum had the freak show,
the side show, you know, and together they kind of
put this big performance on this show, and he he

(14:54):
created the three ring circus. Barn Is, it needs to
be bigger, bigger and more grand, you know, three with
crazy stuff going on each one of all the old
time you know, and this big pop up tent. And
I just don't think it's a coincidence that three interlocking
rings is the logo of the Oddfellows. Yeah, okay, so
he put it into the circus. He put the symbols

(15:15):
them straight there, into the circus itself. So I just
it's always been the case because he like at the time,
and I think Barnum was involved with this as well.
Ten circuses in America all teamed up together at once
and they put on a giant show. I think this
isn't like in like maybe eighteen eighty something, maybe maybe

(15:38):
like just late eighteen hundred's something like this. They put
on a massive, a massive show called Kirk King Solomon
and the Queen of Sheba. And we're talking like thousands
of staff members involved in this show. Ten circuses, you
know what I mean. Circuses were not small, like it's
just teams are huge, and they put on this massive
show where they recreated the grandest of Solomon's court, and

(16:01):
they're all dressed in like Solomonic robes and everything in
head dresses. Everyone was dressed up to the nines although
they were living in this time period of King Solomon.
Animals everywhere, elephants ordained in gold and jewels, and giraffes
and lions.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Or you know.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
It was just this crazy, huge spectacle beyond belief, you know,
like you couldn't believe seeing such a thing. And every
single one of them was a Freemason who owned these circuses.
Every single costume was created by a company called the
Henderson Arms Company, not around anymore, but then it was.
It made all the costumes for Freemason holes, all the

(16:36):
little bibs they were, the aprons, the diamonds, and the necklaces,
they were the regalia of Freemasonry. That company made it
all so free Masonic run company paid to fuel and
dress all the staff, all the backdrops, all the props.
Same thing. A company that makes all the props and
companies for the free Masonic lodges made all the props
for this show. Everything was a Freemason affair. Even the

(16:58):
artwork was made by Barossira Alfi, who was a London
member of the Freemason Lodgers, and he was a famous
artist in London at the time as well. He was
a Freemason, the whole thing. And they look freemasony love
King Solomon. They're obsessed with the guy. They literally are
obsessed with recreating Solomon's temple. They build all the Freemason
halls in the form of Solomon's Temple with the two

(17:19):
pillars Jacquine and Boaz and all the rest of it.
You know. They they're obsessed with him. They equate him
with being like the first Freemason, you know, something of
the sort. And Haramabiff, his architect, is the one that
they do rituals allegorizing, you know. For example, to be
a third degree Mason, they have to recreate the murderer
of the murder of Horamabif, in which two men accost

(17:43):
him and say tell us the secrets of how to
build and he says no, you know, and he has
to die to take his secrets to the death. That's
the symbolic thing that the initiates have to realize. What
you learn here you take to the death, just like Aramabeth. Yeah,
so you know, they they're obsessed with Solomon and everything
about the ten Building. But there is a Jewish myth
involved with all of this, which I'm sure the Freemasons

(18:04):
are privy to, which is that King Solomon used a
magical ring given to him by the Angel I think Michael,
to summon demons and use them as like builders for
his temple. And he there's in the whole book. I
think it's I think it's the Testament of King Solomon
or something like this. I can't remember the exact book
now I'm blanking here, but you can go find it

(18:25):
on a curse with Google's surge. It's very easy to find.
But the myth goes that he basically summoned a demon,
asked it, what's your job? And what angel presides over
you to keep you in check? You know, and and
he says, then go and do this for me, basically,
And it's just a book about him talking to demons,
basically using a magical ring to do such a thing.

(18:47):
So King Solomon, Freemasons love him, obsessed with him. So
if you look into freemasonry, well only the wordshipful grand
master of a lodge is allowed to worry a hat.
It's traditionally a black top hat. It can be any
shape hat, really, but traditionally it's always a black top hat.

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And they'll tell you even on their own public websites.
The black top hat represents the crown of Solomon, and
the only one man is the leader, is allowed to
wear it. No other member of the lodge can wear
a top hat or a black hat, or a hat
of any kind in the presence of the Worshipful grand Master.

(19:27):
And it's because it represents the King Solomon himself, the
master Mason, the Worshipful grand Master, you know. And it's
no coincidence that the ring master of a circus was
a black top hat. Keith Solomon himself was the ring
master who used it to orchestrate the demons to build

(19:48):
his temple. And the ring master of a circus orchestrates
the clowns, which are an analog for Nephelin disembodied spirits
of demons his temple. So the ring master is doing
the same thing he puts on the show with the clowns,
using by controlling the ring, King Solomon uses the ring

(20:09):
to control the demons, the clowns to build his temple.
So it's just and so basically circus have always been
free Masonic lodge rituals analogus, just on a grand scale
with the public spectacle behind it, and we're just not
supposed to realize symbolically, that's what it means. It's a secret,
you know, it's esoteric, as they say. But exoterically it's
just a bit of fun for the kids. But esoterically

(20:31):
he's a deep symbolic rituals, going back to solomonic free
Masonic lodge rituals. So when Pt. Barham got involved, the
circuses were already doing this anyway. He just incorporated the
Odd Fellows symbolism into it while he was at it,
and added the three rings into locking and all this
type of thing, and it's kind of just popularized it
in a big way. Like I said, introduce the whole
freak show aspect into it. There is much more to

(20:55):
that aspect of freak shows and the people involved in that, probably,
but maybe not so much. I'm more focused on the clowns,
in the origin of the clown itself and how that
go in forved with circuses, you know. But yeah, the
freak show is definitely a pet Barnum like injection into
the process, and it's kind of does is it still
around anymore in modern circuses? I wouldn't be. I don't

(21:16):
I don't live in America. I don't really know is
it is it? I can't imagine it would be.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
No, not no, not really make I think.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
They would maybe see these days, would it?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean, I'm kind of thinking like that's been uh
like relegated to the realms of pro wrestling actually, because
pro wrestling has a comes from the carnival of course,
you know, the like the local strong man competing against
you know, like just Joe nobody. And eventually they found

(21:55):
out like, hey, like we can make a lot more
money if you know, if we script it and you know,
make the people actually believe that, you know, he can win,
and like if everybody's betting on the strong man to
win and he loses, then you know, we're making actually
a whole lot more money. And then you know, like
the theater aspect came with it and such.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, well that's suchly a good point because circuses at
the time were kind of the only form of entertainment
around that during this time, there wasn't radio or television
or anything. There was books and prints, but not everyone
was literate, you know what I mean. It's not like
it was a If the circus came to town, you
went because there was nothing else to do. That is
the entertainment for this month. You know. That's how it

(22:39):
basically was. Then that's the big thing. Everybody's going everyone's
going to be talking about it. If you don't go
to see the trap of the circus and it comes
to town, then you've missed your year's worth of entertainment.
I suppose. Is that so? But today, I mean, we're
saturated with you could pick your poison today. What do
you want to do to entertain yourself? You know, and
we have television as well, and obviously the and social

(23:01):
media and many ways we can entertain ourselves today. So
the circus kind of has dissipated into obscurity in today.
Shriners kind of took over circuses. Modern circuses are still
primarily run by Shriners specifically, and you know, they say
they do it to raise money for the hospitals. But
I've looked into it all and it's it's all tax

(23:24):
dodging shady business sudden funneling all the money into parties
involving drugs and prostitutes, and for the Royal Order of
the Jesters. And I've honestly, I've wrote about it in
the book. It's sadistic what's really going on there with
this type of thing. But Shriners have traditionally kind of
been given the circuses from the Freemason fraternity order. You know,

(23:47):
it's kind of right, you're going to deal with the
circus is from now on. We've got other things to
deal with. That's why you've got the Illuminati music industry.
They got involved with every other industry that's out there
now you know, they're inserting everything that the clowns into
that thing now, you know, and taking over that aspect
of entertainment. But the circuses that are still around today,
like I said, they're all run by Shriners, and every
shriness cult has their own clowns section where they have

(24:12):
to dress like clowns. And symbolically, what's an Arabian themed
fraternity doing dressing like Western clowns. It makes zero sense
whatsoever until you incorporate my theory into the matter, where
it's kind of well, they're actually channeling demons basically to
get to the point, you know, that's what they're doing.
They're just practicing a very traditional ancient ancestor spirit worship

(24:34):
culture practice, which is you dress like things to channel
the spirits of things. And we're just not supposed to
know that. That's not what we're supposed to rethink. They're doing. Exoterically,
it's just a bit of fun for the kids. Esoterically. Esoterically, well,
we're channeling the spirits to somebody, spirits of the nef
of them for power and fortune and information and anything else,

(24:56):
you know. So it's dark. It's a dark world, man.
But like I said, entertainment circuses have shifted and changed.
The circus today is the clown world we live in.
Every everything's entertainment to us now. No it takes anything
seriously anymore. Everything's a meme. Everything is just it's like.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I think the connections between like clowns and hospitals, you know,
the most famous one, of course, the the renom McDonald's houses,
you know, where the parents of you know, like very
sick children can can stay or whatever. You know, all

(25:33):
charity of course, you know, still run by McDonald's, so
you take that bit, take that with a bit of
grain salt. And here in the Netherlands you actually have
I might have mentioned that like on our show as well,
all though ten months ago. I don't know. The the
cleaning clowns, that's a that's really as a separate entity

(26:00):
within the within the Dutch hospitals, but especially for the kids,
you know, like sick kids. You know, they dress up
as clowns and you know, make the kids feel better,
like I believe Robin, yeah, Robin Williams has done like
a a movie similar to that, I believe, and that's.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
That's I think it was.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah yeah, But then like with full you know, Plan
Regalia and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well this is this is the other thing. You know,
who can argue with that? You know, we're here to
make the dying kids moment last moments full of laughter.
You've got to be an evil, cral, vindictive bastard to
go against something like that, and it's kind of it's
the perfect cover. They basically shielded themselves with dying children,
so you can never question it, you know, and it's

(26:59):
actually really perished when you think about it. It's actually quite
sick because the studies are real. People have done studies.
Children don't like clowns.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
No, they don't, they cry, don't they run, They.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Do not like them. Like nine out of ten kids
hate clowns as terrified of them. That one kid who
does is an outlier. They're not the norm. They're a freak,
They're a weirdo, you know what I mean, that's not
the norm. Like most children really do not like clowns.
They recoil in fear at the sight of them. Yeah,
and you know this is what these dying children are
seeing in the last moments you really think about it.

(27:31):
It's not actually that loving and kind. It's not like
Patch Adams where they're all really happy to see the clown,
you know, and it's endearing. Like the reality of the
real life is actually a lot creepier than that. And
I don't trust for a second the people who are
dressing this way and doing this to children either. I
think if you're a part of these organizations, these fraternities,

(27:53):
you are dealing with demons on a daily basis. You
are a Luciferian by dictated by Albert Pike himself. You know,
it's not even hidden, like what you truly are so
it's kind of I can't trust any of it, and
I don't think it's fun for the kids. I don't
think at all that was never the case. You can
find those photos from like the forties and the thirties
and the fifties of like clowns holding children, the children

(28:17):
just like pushing away, screaming with tears streaming down the face,
you know, and the parents are like in the background,
like your child is being traumatized right before your very
eyes by the visage of a ractious Indian demon and
you're laughing, saying how cute, how funny, look at them
are scared. It's kind of people know differently then man. People.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, but it's just you know, the the uncanny Valley effect,
you know, that's all. That's all it is, because you know,
they appear human like but are not human, so our
brain gets confused and you know, doesn't recognize it, and
we don't recognize the scary. So therefore, you know, clowns

(28:59):
are scared. You just need to know. You need to
get over it, like get over yourselves.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's every year there's an article release that says the
same thing, just what you said. There. Oh, scientists have
discovered why people are scared of clowns. Again, every year
they've discovered why have they? You know, and it's always
titled like this, like new study finds, Like how many
studies do you have to do to reiterate the same point. Oh,

(29:24):
it's just because you can't read emotions when people wear
masks and it scares people. It's like, Oh, is that
it really? Or could it be that which it's just
ingrained into our DNA to naturally fear a predator that
used to eat us, you know, it's kind of could
just be that it's built into ards to understand that's dangerous,
you know. Could it be the the slip pupils, which

(29:45):
are a predator symbol. Only predators have slip pupils, and
that's what clowns probably do on their makeup. Could it
be the red around them out to indicate blood like
they've been eating people. Or could it be the giant
red nose, which could be a symbolic of dipping itself
in blood while eating somebody as well? What else do
you Is it the giant feet indicating the giants? Is
that the tiny umbrellas indicating the giants?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Is it everything?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Is it the stilts that make them look like giants.
What is it about a clown exactly makes it scary? Well,
possibly that we used to get eaten by giants that
look like clowns. And you know, the nature will tell
you if it's bright and colorful. Danger, danger, danger. We're
no different. We have these instincts exactly like the activist.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah, the ridy collared hair and all the kinds
of piercings that they do, piercing, Well.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
What kind of spirits running through those people in that movement?
You have to, don't you know? I call them the
multi colored Collective just to get past the senses, because.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, because you can't anything else.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
And it makes me, it makes me wonder, like the
the connection to to drag Queens as well, because they
both have like a minstrel background of course. And now well,
I mean not not so much now anymore, but like
a while ago, like the the Drag Queens Story Hour,

(31:12):
they were really like kind of pushing that on the
kids and pushing you know, the parents to to accept that.
I mean, I I know, a drag queen like for
the local radio station I am involved with Queer Vibes Radio.
You know, they're they're all, you know, they're good people

(31:33):
for the most part. I don't know what's going on
behind closed doors. I don't want to know, fair enough,
Like it just makes me think, you know, like drag queens,
they are also those you know, those minstrels with you know,
like the big hair and the the over the top

(31:54):
dramatic makeup and outfits. It's it's kind of clown like
in a way. Although yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Know, really allowed to say that. I'm really allowed to
talk about them in fact, because they're a sacred cow
in today society in this kind of ero just a homophobic,
transphobic biggot if you even bring it up in any way,
shape or form, apparently. But yeah, you know, everything about
a drag queen is today it's a bit more extreme.
It's kind of modeled after like a Lee Bowery style.

(32:26):
I don't know if you know who Lee Barrier is,
but he was a fashion easter of the late eighties.
I think he died in the early nineties of eightes.
But he was known for basically bold, bright, colorful dresses
and crazy looking, dehumanizing type visages, like like gimp type

(32:47):
masks or white makeup effect with giant red lips and bold.
It just when you see his style, you know, it's
Lee Bowery and he's still inspiring people today. And yeah,
I definitely feel like drag queens have kind of adopted
that because he's such an icon in the queer community
from the past, you know, and that his his south
echoed through into what we call drag queens today, and

(33:10):
it's it's very I mean, you look at some of
his early artwork and what he was dressing like, he
was very much like Apollo with rays of like red sunshine.
He had it had a thing called Sunshine Boy as well,
which he kind of went by, which again is a
reference to the god Apollo, you know, and then these
rays of lights coming from the thing, and it's kind
of there's a very occult undertones to everything he was doing.

(33:32):
Very and he might have outspoken spokenly talked about it,
but just just the gist of what he was doing,
it looked clown clown like demonic to me through and
through everything about it, you know. So I think drag
queens definitely were inspired a lot by Lee Bowery. That
I think that's that's true. But yeah, that the it's
you look at the actions of these people. And like
I said, they speak a thousand words. They're trying to

(33:53):
sexualize children. There's no other way to put it, really,
and they can you can call it whenever you want.
That's what they're doing, you know. And it's parents are
not going to I'm a parent, you know, No, no, yeah,
I woant to swear to be honest, but I'll just
I'll just say, you know, blank blank off that's happening.
You're not committed with you my children. It's that type

(34:14):
of thing, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Parents exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah. But then one percent, that one percent that do
who have fallen for that multiple the collective programming of inclusion,
and they they seem to not either they are maps themselves,
if you know what map means, or they are just
so oblivious and really believe that it's kind of this

(34:41):
is a love and unity movement about, you know, bringing
people together and ending hatred of bigotry type people. And
it's like it's really not, that's not the agenda behind
any of this greedy bowrier.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, yeah, this is.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
No, that's actually quite scary that one, to be honest,
that's nightmare fuel.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
He's quite the charmer, I'd say, yeah, from Taboo Art Showing,
And I'm gonna go on a limbit say that Taboo
is the name of the of.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
The arts art show because it's capitalized.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well, he had shows where he would like sprays on
feces over people. Oh honestly, his his stage performances were vile,
Like everything about this man was just purely satanic and disgusting,
but he was venerated as an icon of the time,
you know, and people's something people should emulate. And I

(35:39):
think the culture creators put people like this in front
of us to get more people to emulate it on purpose,
because it makes more people dress like clowns. And the
more people you can get dressing in clown like features,
the more channels you're opening up for the nephilim in
the spirit world. Because that's how it works. He mirrors
something in the spirit realm, you're giving it permissions to
channel into your body. That's an ancient Actice go to

(36:01):
any ancestor spirit worship culture on the Earth and they'll
tell you that's what they do every Tuesday on purpose
for that reason, you know, I mean, And it's like
it's not even hidden. But in the West we just
don't know that we don't think about it.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
We're not. We're not.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
It's superstitious, it's silly, and it wouldn't even cross our minds.
And that's even a possibility.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Unless we're talking you know, berserker ol Fatnar, you know,
from the Norse mythology. But then you know that was
just like the warrior spirit and they were all on drugs.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Tripping on shrooms and the rest of it. I'm sure
you know that makes sense, But that's drugs are one
way to channel entities and spirits. You know, clothes is
just the clothing is just another But we don't, we
don't realize that. We don't think like that in the West,
and we think, I think of imagine what how the
weeen's truly doing, you know when you really think about it.
But there's more of Leebaria, one of his signature styles there,

(36:54):
and just.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
You know, it's also it's just the broad like all
teeth smartle it has something, it has something sinister.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
It's just screaming John Wayne Gacy. Isn't he absolutely screaming that?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well?

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I mean, if you if you, if you Google search
it and get up just all the images that this
guy has created, and or Lee Barry escor Lee Barry
inspired for example. You can see they hit that style,
and his styles have echoed through to today. Still today,
he's still inspired people. For example, someone someone who's clearly
obviously been inspired by him, is heard of greb no

(37:33):
Law before. I think she's Swedish or typing greb nell Law.
She it's Wallenberg backwards. And I think in Sweden the
Wallenberg family is actually a very rich, powerful banking family.
But I think we're not supposed to realize she's a
I think she thought no one would figure that out,

(37:54):
but she might be related to the Wallenberg family, wouldn't
surprise me. I don't know if that's true or not.
But greb Or has this red and white aesthetic, very
similar tower, and that's what she's all about. And she's
obviously overtly Satanic inspired as well. And I feel like
the secret to the industry fashion, art, music, when it

(38:15):
particular pick is not to have talent. But if you
want to be famous and put in front of people,
then just dress like a psychedelic clown monster and you're
gonna get chosen by the cultural creators and they're gonna
put you on in front of people and they're gonna
put the spotlight on you because they want to make
an idol out of you, because they want more people
copying the way you look and dress, and they want

(38:36):
more people thinking this is how I need to dress
and act to become famous. And as a result, you're
opening up more channels because more people are emulating these people.
So that's the game. That's the real secret to the
industry today because it's run by the same people around
the circuses back back in the day. It's just the
industry never ended. It just shifts, and the clowns are

(38:58):
different today. You know, the awns have a different role
to play society now. You know the the clowns are
hidden within our media's rather than doing silly tricks on
it around the meat.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Wallenberg.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, she's a trauma. It's what is it?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
It's a woman?

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I think a woman?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I think it is it is it is a female gender,
I think.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
So there's a there's a there's a picture of it
when she was very young, before she found this style
where it just looks like a very petite, traditional Swedish
blonde woman like she know she hasn't done anything crazy
to herself yet, but she was wearing a cone hat
and a pompom puerol style clown out things. Some checkers
on it. So the clown again was the first initial inspiration, naturally.

(39:52):
But yeah, you know they're saying that style again, drag
is kind of of a similar vein. It's they all
kind of cold, come back to the same sources at
the end of it all. And yeah, absolutely. And but
when I was growing up, you know, drag shows were
like a cabaret thing in tenor reef, you know what
I mean. They weren't like there weren't many of them,

(40:15):
do you know what I mean? And they did and
it was funny. It was more comedy. It was a
comedy routine. But today it's become something else. I don't
know what it is now. I don't know what's going
on now. Again, it feels like it's a bit forced.
It feels like it's been put in front of was
on purpose, not of it feels organic, you know, and
it's it's again. I'm not surprised, but I'll be surprised

(40:38):
if we can talk about this on YouTube, I'll be
surprised to see how this goes.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
We will find out.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Let's just let's just do act and ask permission later
and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah. Sure, I also saw that Lee Bowery. Uh, there
is a picture of him where he's very close with
boy George.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Of course, very much in the industry, very much, very.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Flamboyant guy of course. And the Gretna law thing also
kind of gave me Lady Gaga es.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, she's definitely inspired by Lee Bowerie as well. Yeah,
it's all it's all kind of going back to the
same thing. It really, it really is. It's because he
really was idolized, is like a gay icon fashionista, like
never to be forgotten by the community type of thing,
you know. And there's always homages to him in a

(41:39):
lot of people who are part of that community always,
you know. And and I can get like, like, for example,
even today, a very famous musician. Still her song has
been played on repeat everywhere on the radio incessantly over
the past two months. Pink Pony Club. What's her name again.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Chapel Roan, chapelone, Yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
She she dresses like a clown, white face, red hair,
red lipstick, and the rest of.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Her as well. Did she Originally she was just normal,
just singing pleasantly away. Then all of a sudden she
shot to fame because that's exactly what she did. She
changed the style into that, and.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I was saying this year, I was saying this eight
years ago. That's exactly what happens. You do that and
you will be made famous. It's the secret. It's the
industry secret. And the thing is, she has this backstory
as to why she does it, and it's so pathetically untrue.
It's just ridiculous. But she's like, oh, when I was
in high school, all the boys used to bully bully
me and make fun of gay people and used to say,

(42:41):
why why do gay people always end up looking like clowns?
It's just ridiculous. Why did they do that? There's no
need for them to do that. So she was like, well,
I'm just going to do it anyway to show them,
you know what I mean, that's that's why you're doing it?
Is it? Whatever?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
But there you go, she's channeling the same entity.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's a transational you have he we ever here with
the Devil warns as well, you know another icon we made. Really,
you know, if you want to breakthrough in the industry,
especially entertainment of course, you know, it's quid pro quo.
You know, you got to you gotta do something to
get something.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
And well you quite like it just from the list,
can't you have all these people who've done that, the
ones who were they started a career, started off okay,
but then he started to dip. Then all of a
sudden they have this massive image change and wolf they
shoot through the sky, like Sam Smith in this country.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Sam Smith.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, he had a great voice, and all of a
sudden that was it. He sold himself and now look
at him.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Every Disney star ever.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Every every Disney star ever, this talors all the time itself.
I mean even like David Bowie for example. And there's
lots to be said about that guy, you know, whether
or not he's even like dead for example, because I'm
how much of an insider he was, you know, but
he he had the star does Alter ego, and that
was white skinned, red hair, psychedelical clothing, the clown aesthetic

(44:12):
again thrown in there. And you know, this man has
dyed idolized as a god as a result, you know,
like the world supposedly mourned at his passing. You know,
it's kind of they didn't like it, but they act like,
and people did, probably in a very idle worship bizarre
type way, break down and cry as if someone they

(44:34):
personally actually knew died when that's just not the case.
Because they made idols out of these people, you know,
And he has, he has now been immortalized as a
as a as a god of the pop industry forever,
you know. And was he really after? I thought his
music was crap, It was terrible.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
It was definitely different.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
But because he had the image, he had the look,
so he's going to be immortalized because they need the
public to believe that's how you need to look and
behave to be made famous, you know. And it's not.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Did Bob Dylan he wipes his face up quite often.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, he was his face for whatever reason. Even Bono
has his alter ego, Mephisto. Have you heard of this?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
No, Mephisto really steinds all over this one.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
He's all over this one.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
No, It's like like Bono is a douche already.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Oh yeah, absolutely, it's even worse. It's cringey to behold,
it really is. But like just just type in Bono
Mephisto and there's a picture of him. He wipes his
face up, puts on red lipstick and everything, puts on
a top pat with horns and the rest of it.
He uses AI augmented reality layering, so on the screens
he looks like he has a devil's face and all

(45:51):
this type of stuff. But yeah, he wipes up the face,
puts on the lipstick, and does everything. He clowns himself
up because he has made a deal where he channels
entities into his body and in what he gets as
a result is fame, you know. But the entities get admiration,
they get pleasure, they get sacrifices. They probably drink blood

(46:11):
for them. He feeds the demon within through his own
senses and gives them stuff. And that's what that is
the deal. Haitian Vodu does this. They channel the spirits
of Papa Legba or Baron's Semide by dressing in a
black top hat in a free Mason regalia, you know.
And once they channel that entity, they smoke cigars and
they drink whiskey and rum because that's what the spirit

(46:34):
wants to taste and feel and experience. And then as
a result they get stuff, They get a reward, power strength, knowledge, witchcraft,
food or whatever. You know, they get given things by
the demons, and I think these artists are doing the
exact same thing. They're dressing the same way, doing the
same rituals to get stuff. As a result, these talentless,

(46:55):
weird old hacks are famous. And you know, because they
they do this, that's that's their reward. And obviously the
whole mech Yeah, there's an army of foot soldiers who
work with these demons, the Freemasons, for example, who run
these industries, who are real tangible people. Putting these people
into positions of fame and power because they continue to

(47:18):
show allegiance. Dressed like a clown is one way of
doing it, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
And it's it's really look at the like also like
look at the you know, the major festivals and you know,
just these these huge artists and everything that goes on
on stage. You know, like tell me, you know, let's
say like nine out of nine out of ten, nine
is not rituals, Like those are rituals. Like I recently

(47:45):
discussed that on or it came up in another show
the who was that that that rapper who did the
show where like people actually you know, freaking died and
trampled each other. I'm not I'm not good in the.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Is it Astro World or something like that.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Festival Astra World?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, it was that the one, Yeah, I remember, Yeah,
that was a huge ritual probably. I mean there's a
lot of famous was it?

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Who was it?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Have you seen the one was at the Wave? Have
you seen that one where a bunch of people just
rapidly get knocked over at once?

Speaker 4 (48:27):
That was Lana del Rey concert?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Was it something like this? I think there's a lot
of energy harvesting rituals going on for sure. With these
giant concerts. They definitely seem like people frenzying get the
altar of something something what it feels like, you know,
if you imagine back into lights, go back to Babylon
back in the day, people like screaming and jumping them
down in front of a giant metal calf bull figures,

(48:52):
you know, something like this. It reminds me it's probably
exactly how it was then as it is now, you know,
And the festivals are quite infamous in a place full
of sex and drugs, orgies and shifting states of consciousness
and these you know, I think these that's basically what
these people were doing back then, you know, and it's
just like a modern day, more acceptable break from work

(49:13):
in summer type thing, you know, like the yearly, the yearly,
what do you call it, a cremation of care, letting
it all go, you know, doing the wild man beast
for a weekend and then going back to civilized society afterwards,
getting it out of your system. And that's an ancient tradition,
you know.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
This is the official poster from twenty twenty one, which
is like, yeah, I mean, like even the O in
Astro World is you know, the hypnotism, the spiral, you know,
open your eyes to a whole new universe.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Well, just got through it there on screen. You've got
the pyramid, You've got what looks like a portal behind
the pyramid. You've got the eyes in the hands, You've.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Got the on the other side.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
What looks like walking from one dimension into another above
the hands up here. You've got all kinds of symbols.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
In there, like are just like you know, just the
text like open your eyes to a whole new universe.
See you on the other side.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Just imagine them. They're like that Kardi with whatever the
symbol they do over their eye. I can't remember now, Oh,
like they're all doing it like this on the or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Someone's gonna screenshot that. You better be careful.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Screenshot. I'm the monopoly man.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
You're right. Tend to have to show allegiance, is what?
Another way, Yeah, they wasn't.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
David Bowie also involved in a movie where they had
that the character who literally had his doubts.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Oh, I thought you're gonna make I thought you're gonna
take the Mickey out of Labyrinth. Then I was gonna
let you no labor.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
That poster though very much like, very much like those
hands were coming to get you, pull you in, pulling
you into the world, into the vortex type of thing.
And yeah, it's face full of it. I mean, but
if you've been in the conspiracy game for long enough,
you know what signs to look out for to say
nothing's dodgy. That's that's full of it layered with it.
And when people die at these things as well, you

(51:31):
have to you have to wonder.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
You know, they're even calling it a stampede.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Well that's what animals do, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah, exactly, when you come to group consciousness and all
stampede in one direction.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Do you remember this? This is a proper side tangent.
I think it may because my YouTube reels have just
been throwing them at me lately for some reason. Is
what they're doing. What the algorithm is doing right now?
But did you guys have watched Samurai Jack by any chances?
Take you back the vague There was an episode in
there where the kids of a village had lost their
minds to music basically, and there was like an evil

(52:10):
DJ in the woods and they were all the parents
couldn't speak to their children anymore. They weren't there. They
were like possessed, they were gone, you know, And they
would just do nothing but go to this rave every
night and just dance. And it's like the evil dark
lord Aku would like basically created this music to brainwash

(52:31):
indoction eight children into these rituals basically. And the story
of Samurai Jack has to destroy the DJ booth and
everything else and break the CD to break the curson
on this. But I think that there was that was
a long time ago that was released that episode, like
early two thousands or something like this, maybe nineties.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I remember it was episode twenty seven trying to find
the release date, and it was like DJ Style Baita
was a minion of aku. He has pink skin, wears
a torn green shirt, pants, no nose or ears, sunglasses.

(53:13):
How are you holding those up without nose or ears? Uh?
And he oh yeah, this is very important. Of course.
He also speaks like teenager, saying words like whatever and
bad like you got it. The lingo is very very important,
of course.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
But it's basically saying, you know, the music industry is
there to brainwash your children and steal them from you.
When the show was telling you out right, you know, sure,
I think for some reason it just reminded me like
they've been telling you for ages throughout the media what's
really going on? You know. And I don't think Samurai
Jackie is bad in any way. I almost putting that down.
I think it was a fantastic beast of artwork, to

(53:54):
be honest, But there's definitely something in that which reminded
me of this, like modern day worshiping at the altar
of the DJ booth type of thing. We definitely have
something like that going on. And I went through university
in twenty fourteen, you know, twenty eleven, twenty fourteen. It
was very much like that then, and it's what you did,
you know, and it seemed like it's ever a culture
I could get into. But observing it was like I

(54:15):
felt like I was an anthropologist, like observing some kind
of like ritualistic like tribe out there doing the thing,
and like, what it's such odd behavior. Why are they're
doing this? You know, like as I kind of saw
it back in the day, But it is there's something
about it, like when you're in that trance type like state,
you're perceptible, you're open to influence, you know, And I

(54:38):
feel like that's what's going on at these giant, giant festivals.
You know, they're getting you into a friends, they're getting
you into a trance, and usually then they hit you
with something an ideology, let's say, or a belief system
or something like that, and then they end the show
with a sacrifice and then you can go home, you know,
to seal the deal type of thing with blood. It's
like something like that is going on.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Maybe I'm being a little bit over exaggerating here. I
don't know. I don't want to diminish the people who've
lost people at these things, you know, but.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Also I was thinking like could could you say that
it went from like the circuses to the festivals, you know,
like it used to be that you had the you know,
the circus coming in the summer and if you were
like very lucky also at the the winter circus. Of course,
although that maybe you know of a later later thing

(55:29):
and now you know, summertime is of course, you know,
it's festival time. It's when you like, yeah, as you said,
like it's the cremation of care. It's when you can
let go. Like everyone is you know, off work, off school,
the kids are home, you know, all of that, so
like you have nothing but but free time, suns out,

(55:53):
you know. It's it's like the it's it's become like
the modern modern day circus really with you know, the
performers and the sets and especially those bigger, you know,
summer festivals like You're You're a set is almost like
as important set and props, like it's almost as important

(56:14):
as you know, the the performance itself. So like could
you say that's kind of like made that that switch
or like it's it's just you know, it turned into
what is now. Festivals, like indoor festivals are often held
in in a tent or just yeah, a huge, huge

(56:39):
concrete box, like really trapping all the energy within it.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Of course, it's the tent of the day, isn't it
a large open space, a warehouse, whatever's empty at large.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Basically, yeah, I think the taxes I think at times
have just changed, but it's kind of the game stayed
the same. The names have just changed, but the game
has ever changed, you know, it's always the same uparandi
And it's this again. I guess what we're talking about
here is on what you call spiritual warfare. It is
kind of word. This is the idea that there's there's
many methods for for negative entities, spiritual wickedness and high

(57:13):
places to manipulate us, and they kind of use what's
available to the time. And right now this is a
it's a it's a cheese, a sorted cheese board of
opportunity for them to just che pick and choose how
they're going to get you, you know what I mean.
There's just there's endless possibilities. And I guess my work
is trying to say, you know, look, dressing like a
clown is no laughing matter. It's not what you think

(57:34):
that is what I'm trying to say, clothes matter, cloud.
What you choose to dress like is actually a big,
very important choice in many ways. And don't take my
word for it. Look at what these tribes do, and
they'll tell you it's sacred to dress like a clown,
like what we call the clown. They don't call it
a clown. They call it the quinan spirit for the

(57:54):
Hayoka or something like that, for the whole Pies or
the Coulta tribes you know in the Americas, for example,
or you know, they have many names for them, or
every every country has a name. And they come the
wan Jinus in Australia they call them the Ratiouses. In
India they call them the one. In Japan, you know,
they have many names to represent these same the same

(58:15):
entities call them Gorgans in Greece.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Like it.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
But they all look the same. They all have the
same style, the same history, the same culture, the same
and people who dress like them are trying to channel them.
That's what they'll tell you. We're doing it to get
possessed by the spirits. That's what a mudang shaman will
tell you. So as I do these rituals, I dress
this way, I put on the hat and I do

(58:39):
the proper sacrifices to let the spirit possess me. Go
to the Fayum tribes in India, it's ancient kind of
pre Hindu religion. Basically, they don't even know why they
do it. They just do. And they say, oh, we
dress this way to let the gods possess us, and
then we let the trial vibe, ask the gods questions

(59:02):
and were the vessel for that? And then the people
give the guy who's possessed stuff and he eats the
stuff or smokes the stuff or whatever the stuff because
that's what the demon wants. It's an ancient, well understood
practice everywhere else but here in the West. Take it seriously.
It matters. And the costume of a clown is not
unique to the West. It's stolen from imagery from these

(59:24):
other cultures who are doing this practice for a specific reason.
Ignorance of this law will not make you immune to
this law. So be wary of people who dress in
clown like features, especially in the media in the mainstream,
where they but in front of you on purpose. It's
not organic. Nothing is organic about it. It's do not
emulate them. Do not make idols out of these people.

(59:46):
They are not your friends. They don't know you, they
don't care about you. Okay, don't mourn them when they die.
They probably haven't even died anyway. They've just changed character.
That's how the world really works. You're playing you. They're
playing you for a fool while dressing like one. You
know what I mean, Like, don't know and don't idolize
the clown image is like it's something important. Stop watching

(01:00:08):
the Joker rendition they come out with every three to
four five years, Like, stop it like and stop dressing
like it at Halloween because you think it's edgy and
cool like it. Don't sympathize with that character. Don't the
forcing it on us from every aspect of our lives.
In twenty twenty three, clown Fashion Fashion Week in Paris, Spain,
they were all dressing in the catwalks and clown clothes

(01:00:31):
and aesthetics like they literally that was the that was
the fashion style of that time. And it's kind of
because what trickles into the outlets from these extreme catwalk
fashion shows are clown like esthetic clothing, which we're going
to see probably very soon, and it's kind of they're
trying to get us to dress like this. They're pushing
it on us on purpose, and we're we're just supposed

(01:00:53):
to think it's nothing. It's not nothing matters.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
We had the crazy we're over here in the UK.
I don't know if you had it over their started
in America, people just dressing as clowns and just standing
there at night, in the middle of streets and in
the middle of roads. Sixteen, yeah, twenty sixteen, that's it. Yeah,
and it became a very weird time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Well, they tried to say, oh, this is just a
promotion technique for it. Yeah, the reboot of it coming out,
and they tried to pull the same excuse in the eighties.
In nineteen eighty six, tried because the same thing happened
in the Boston region of America, and it became a
phenomenal happened, it spread and it was happening everywhere. It's
not the first time this happened in twenty sixteen. It's

(01:01:34):
happened in the eighties. And the police were inundated with
phone calls in the eighties from people saying that people
dressed like clowns everywhere, and it's like, no matter what
the police did they could ever find anybody. They were
always gone, they disappeared. Stories of them turning up in
vans and trying to steal children. Things like this were
going on, these massysteria, they call it mass hysteria, like

(01:01:55):
the people just went crazy and thought clowns were everywhere,
but we could ever find them. It was always a mystery.
We always turned up and there was never anything there.
It's like trying to cook because obviously things are different
than easy to cover these type of things up, you know,
But it seems like a mass child kidnapping event happened
to where people dressed like clowns, rocking around in vans,
you know. But they tried to blame it. Oh no, no,

(01:02:16):
this is way wherey after the fact you say, well,
you know, Stephen King's book was just coming out at
the time, and it's probably some kind of viral marketing
campaign for that, and it's kind of well, actually, no,
the book had already been released about a two years
prize that event, so he had nothing to do with it. It
was nothing to do with it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Like, even if it's a marketing stone, that's that's quite
a sick market I know, right, And I'm not like
sake and like, yo, this is sick, bro, but like
sick and actually like it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Was the eighties, man, it was a wild time. Things
were different back then.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
You want to stand this, you want to stand it.
You weren't there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
I wasn't there. I was. I have heard things about
the eighties. Man, I'm not liking it, you know. But
but either way, in twenty sixteen, it happened again. The
clown sightings happened, and the news was lit up with
stories everywhere, and every single news station was talking about
it across the Anglo sphere. You know. It didn't matter

(01:03:14):
whether it was national news or local news. It was
being covered and they made sure you heard about it,
you know. And I that's what sparked my imagination on
this whole topic and made me start my research that event,
because I'm like, hang on, I know enough about the
occult and my research into the conspiracy to know nothing
gets on that box in the corner of my living
room unless you want me seeing it. It means something.

(01:03:37):
This means something. The clown means something. And that's what
started my inquiry, and this is what it's led to.
A book, fifty episodes online on YouTube laying it all
out and the history is there, it's real. It's actually
not this real documented reference history. Yea, the clown is
one hundred percent of Freemasonic convention modeled after the demons

(01:04:01):
of India specifically, actually in the eighteen hundreds, eighteen zero
zero exactly is when it first appeared on the stages
of Britain. And he was introduced by the son of
a famous Freemason of the time, Charles Dibden. And Charles
Dibden was intimately linked with India. His brother was a
member of the East India Company colonizing it at the time.
He was going to move out there and live there

(01:04:22):
before his brother died. He knew India very well and
he knew what the ractious demons look like. And he
basically just dressed the clown like that in British pantomime. Yeah,
just on a whim, changed it one day from plain
white servant rags to psychedelic, fractal passing clown monster. Like
no one's explained anywhere in any memoirs. Why just that

(01:04:45):
it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
But when you look at.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah, but if you look into context and then just
look at the ractious demons on the temples in Thailand.
It's like, Oh, that's where he stole the costume from.
That's where he got it from. It's obvious. It's not
even like hidden slight. You know. Clowns have always been
a representation of demons always. There's never a time that
wasn't the case. And you can imagine that wasn't You say, well,

(01:05:09):
I do it to make people laugh. I don't care.
You're wrong. That's not what it is. There's never been that.
It never was that. You've just imagined this delusion in
your head that it's something harmless for children. But it
never was and never will be.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
It's never depicted as that either. Are they really in
any kind of media you see clowns I never depicted
as these nice things that jump around and make you laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Once upon a time, maybe when film and TV first
appeared and circuses were still popular. Maybe, but even then
they were terrifying night of their fuel when they Yeah,
and it's kind of the illusion that kids like it
is like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
A light scow dark. This music comes on, this big,
loud music, and all of a sudden, these strange men
are walking in like all this kind of business all
extremities are all exaggerated.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
It's horrifying.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
It is so wow. I just, like just real quick
looked up clown horror movies because that's it's been a thing.
You know, they're they're very popular in horror movies. This
is a well a curated list on IMDb, created five

(01:06:23):
years ago. So in the meantime, I'm sure there have
been more. But on just this list there are two
hundred and ten titles of like clown horror movies. Two
hundred and ten and that's five years ago. Like in
the media, you know, more have definitely come out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I have Killer Clowns from Outer Spaces on that list.
That terrified me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Oh man, yeah, just a cover of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
That terrified me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
It's getting a reboot.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Mm hm, of course it doesn't need when it was
terrifying enough of.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
The it's reboot. I think Ryan Gosling's involved with it.
I've heard it's always and the game just got released
about two years ago, where they made a computer game
based on the original eighties version. But even that again
is telling you the truth. And even you know, the
theory goes that the reason they look this way, the

(01:07:20):
neph of them it's because the parents of fiery flying serpents,
they were seraph and angels who mix themselves with human women.
So dragons mixing themselves with humans, you get a colorful, bright,
scaly looking snake human hybrid thing which is a giant
you know. And it's funnily enough on Killer Clowns from
out of space. His shadow is a giant reptile lizard

(01:07:41):
that eats a person. They're hinting it there, you know,
and obviously they are kind of they eat humans, you know,
and the monsters from like another dimension or space as
we call it, you know, from a different place tongue
in cheek. Wise, they've been telling us for a long time.
I mean, it's even an episode of Supernatural season two,

(01:08:02):
I think one of those episodes. Maybe you can look
it up my state and you might be able to
find it. But basically, it's about the circus comes to
town and a little boy sees a clown. A little
boy goes home with his parents after the circus, you know,
goes home, the clown's outside the house. The little boy
lets it in. The clown goes on to murder the

(01:08:24):
parents and eat the parents, and because he invites it
was Vampire's rules. He let them in. Okay, you know,
he let it in. He invited it in. Turns out
that the boys get involved, you know, and they do
some investigation and they find some old tones and it says, ah,
what we're dealing with here is a racious demon from India.
And it actually the word for word, verbatim everything I'd

(01:08:46):
already uncovered and made whatever my book, you know. But
the thing is, no one told me about this. Yeah,
no one told me about this Righteous connection. I hadn't
watched this episode that was released in two thousand and
twelve or two or something like that. It was like
twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Ago this was released, you know, So this is this
is the clown in question.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah, so I independently made the Righteous a connection to this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
You know, Season two, episode two, Everybody Loves a Clown.
Supposedly this TV minds.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
As well that had a clown in its similar kind
of story to this one. The parents get killed, but
the children are left alive. I watched it a couple
of days ago, and it's a clown that's done it
on a traveling circus.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Mm hmm. Yeah, common themes they're telling you. I just
thought the brazen nature of this to tell us clowns
are modeled after the rightious demons of India. But this
show is saying, oh, we're dealing with a ractious to here.
There's only one way to deal with that. You've got
to do this magical spell or something.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
They made it fictionalized, It made it kind of like,
you know, for TV. But they told us in this
show in two thousand and six clowns ractresses the same thing.
And I independently discovered that years later when I wrote
my book in twenty seventeen. Twenty oh, well, I wrote
the book in twenty twenty three. I published the book
in twenty twenty three, you know, twenty twenty four. I

(01:10:14):
wrote it through twenty twenty three, published in twenty twenty four.
Then somebody tells me, oh, have you watched this episode
of Supernatural from like two? And I'm like, are you
joking me? Research I've never watched Supernatural. I wouldn't have
known about that. It's such an obscure episode, obscure reference.
But the laughing at us, They've been telling us this
for years, and this is the thing. This is one

(01:10:36):
of those like you know when you see it an
occult symbol. Suddenly it's everywhere. You know, the whole nine
to eleven phenomena when you see But after the events,
we discovered that they've been telling you about it through
media for like decades, that they're going to do this.
You know, this is what this is like. Now I've
uncovered what the clown actually is. It's everywhere, It's in

(01:10:57):
everything they've been telling us for years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
And I think supernatural as a supernatural as a show.
My it's it's my wife's absolute favorite show, so I
can't watch any episodes without her absolutely kill me if
I do. But like it is famed for being very well,
very occult accurate, if you will, you know, a lot

(01:11:24):
a lot of the the entities are like known entities.
A lot of the symbols that are used are actual,
like actual occult symbols. The the show is is well
known and you know, well well liked for for that
as well. And it's it's quite typical. Like two, it's

(01:11:50):
season two, episode two, I wonder what the there's that's
that's that's on purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
That has to twenty two. It's a free Masonic number.
It's a multiple of eleven, so that the guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Yeah, it's one of the one of the well known
master numbers. Brings together the spiritual and the material. It
trusts its instinct to identify areas whereas efforts are needed
most well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Like I said, the material clown that we dressed like
represents the spiritual thing, which is the disembodied spirits of
the Nephelin they just call the racious is the Indian's
name for cannibalistic man eating monster, lizard hybrid human giant monsters. Okay,
that's what the Bible calls them, Nephelim, you know, but

(01:12:41):
the Indian Hindus called them Raciausa. You know, they have
their own names, like the offspring of the rainbow serpents
to the Kimberly regions of Australia, o Wan genus. It's
the same thing, the offspring of serpent gods mixing with
the earth with human women. You know, everyone has their
own story for it, you know, Typhon, the sea serpent

(01:13:02):
god monster of Greek mythology, mixing with Ekidner, the female
serpent siren, which is a woman that's been turned into
a snake person create gorgans, which are giant, big, grinning,
bulging guide, wild redheaded giant man eating monster things. You know,
it's kind of they all have their own story, their

(01:13:23):
own geographical style, aesthetic, you know, their own names, but
they're all talking about the exact same phenomena and that's
what the nephilim on and that's why they look this way.
And Supernatural was just telling us blatantly in that episode,
and they they thought, Oh, no one's going to know
about this, Someone's going to figure it out. It's probably
what they thought like twenty years ago. But here we

(01:13:43):
are twenty years later, and I'm like, nah, figured out, bro,
what's really going on? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Six Yeah? Yeah, times were you know, very different back then,
like the was wasn't wasn't as prevalent yet, I'm I
mean it was, it was there, but like it's nowhere
near the information source that it is now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Conspiracy was still focused on primarily uncovering secret societies or
you know, the political corroc Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
You know, early days, yeah, early days expiracy you know,
Beck in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
My day, it was that was it, you know, that
was that was when it really blew up. Prior to that,
you know, it was very underground about books wasn't it
in like meetings and conventions, very small meetings. Maybe, yeah,
someone doing a PowerPoint presentation somewhere. Maybe, I mean you
go and see it. Like things blew up. Probably after
the twenty twenty six period twenty ten twenty eleven kicked in.

(01:14:48):
Then there was like a new age renaissance of conspiracy,
and there was things like the Spirit molecule coming out
and the very the very gnosticy type belief systems were
coming in everywhere. And then I don't know, there was
like a huge revival after the twenty twelve end of
the world phenomena that sparked all sorts of things, and
then man Della effect Flat Earth kicked off, and it's

(01:15:08):
just one thing after another and it became this huge culture,
you know, and the incident was really getting its stride.
And now we live in twenty twenty five and everybody
and everybody has a conspiracy podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
Yeah, it's like a clearly world.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Me too. There, I'm going to go and do my
podcast after this one, you know, live. So it's it's
it's changed, it's and there's funny memes going around everywhere.
Now it's kind of like they're predicting that we no
more conspiracies in twenty thirty because everything's goning true like
scientists predict, it's something like left like it's all been proven, right, Yeah,

(01:15:47):
no more conspiracy anymore, nothing but the truth is kind
of just out there now. I can believe.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, no, I've said that reasonably. I believe on either
on my show or another show that like us as
conspiracy theorists were up by what ten twenty two none
or something. It's yeah, it's it's getting ridiculous. And in
twenty thirty we're running out of conspiracy theories. I think

(01:16:15):
that's that's rather rather late.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
It depends if it's still alive in twenty thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
If you've seen the Digal report, it's not looking good
for not looking good as all. That's the end of
the episode. Maybe we'll talk about yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Yeah, yeah, sure. We just had the NATO top here
in the in the Netherlands, of course, which was just
so so great. You know those taxpayers like literally cuting
US taxpayers a million euros a day. Businesses in like
a like one or one and a half kilometer radius

(01:16:55):
had to close no compensation whatsoever. Like you're closed, now, okay,
why NATO any compensation.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Colleagues of mine that you know couldn't get to work
because the roads were closed. I had to take like
a major freaking detour, which like ended up me traveling
to work like usually it takes me half an hour.
I did, oh what like forty forty five minutes or so,
like forty five minutes going back home with all the

(01:17:31):
traffic like our hour fifteen m m. Well, you know
because of NATO, you know, the in the Netherlands, like yeah,
we we we have the capacity and the space too,
you know, half all of them here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Sure, Yeah, what was your mate? What are you gonna
do about it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Oh, let's fighting talk.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
That's NATO's attitude is like, fuck you, what are you
gonna do about it? These people who walk around with
free reign as though they owners they do. That's how
they treat us. That's that's how they see it. That's
literally how they see it. You know, they're making old
decisions about what's our future is going to be without
us having any input whatsoever all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Yeah, NATO is the military branch of you know, the
One World Government of course, so yeah, yeah, it is
basically like you know, you and what army.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Yeah, exactly, Well, we'll see, we'll see how it goes.
I'm an optimist when it comes to all this type
of thing. Really, I think they are losing a bit
of grip lately. I think I think people are seeing
through it fast, which actually is also kind of worrying
because it probably means they're gonna do something stupid panic,
you know, and maybe slip up and mate. But at

(01:18:55):
the end of the day, I mean, they have a
limited live span. People on the live for so long.
The people that are in power will will not be
here forever, and maybe we can thank God for that,
just a lit bit people can live for. You know.
That's why the striving for immortality with transhumanism, you know,
because yeah, yeah, it's so much you can do in
their own lifetime before it's cut short. So maybe that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Getting six hard transplants, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
And they still only lived till like maybe eighty nine
if the lucky It's like, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Believe the old the old Rockefeller lived to like one
hundred and one, but it took six hard transplants for
him to do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
So what kind of life was that? What was the point?

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yeah, No, if if that's if that's what it takes,
just let me go, all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Right, I know, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Wow. We touched on quite a lot, actually went off
on quite some some tangents.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
One of our tangents.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
We like our tangents, Yeah, for sure, for sure. So yeah, well,
where can the good people find your find your stuff?
You find your book? You keep going research?

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Sure, So I'm based on YouTube primarily just understanding conspiracy,
just tapping in, look for this little logo you see here,
and you'll you can't miss it. My book is on Amazon,
The nef of Them Look Like Clowns. There's an entire
series playlist on my channel called the Nefhlim Look Like Clowns,
where it's all visually laid out for you over like
fifty episodes. You can watch all my research as I

(01:20:30):
began it in twenty sixteen. My whole thought process from
then to now is all mapped out fully. I would
say the later episodes, the production quality is much better.
I'd say the early episodes are the ramblings of the insane,
so please bear that in mind when you watch them.
I get a bit more refined as the years go on,

(01:20:50):
But those early episodes I am just like, I'm like,
why is this, What's going on? How is this happening?
Book at this?

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Look at this?

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
You know it's it's as the years go on, I
have a five year break from twenty eighteen to twenty
twenty three, and I come back and I did another
like thirty episodes where it was a lot more professionally
laid out, you know, and the production qualities. But I'm
a lot calmer. That break did me some good. I
was a lot calmer after that break, and then I
wrote the book, like I said two years ago. It's

(01:21:17):
been published for a year now. The second books on
the Way the Neflik Like Clowns Part two than Now,
which would be about the art stuff we talked about today,
the industry, the media, the music, the modern day examples
of how this is happening, as well as all the
ancestor spirit worship cultures around the arth. So I'm kind
of already a third and way through that book. I'm

(01:21:37):
about to publish the audiobook that's just up for quality
checks now with the Amazon Audible. So the audiobook for
the first book will be coming out soon, so you
can get that as well in the next week or two,
and that's really it. I do have a new channel
called Understanding Creativity that's been out for about a month
and a half now. It's doing quite well. It's almost

(01:21:59):
at four thousand subscribe. It's got a few presentations on
there when we get into the occult art world specifically
and the history of art history, and I get lectures,
lecturers and guests on there to share what they know
about the history of certain famous artists. So come and
check that out if you haven't already. That's just a
little side project, a passion project of mine, you know.

(01:22:19):
And also I am on all podcasts formats. I have
my own podcast called The Truther Therapy Sessions every Sunday.
You can watch that live on YouTube, but audio does
go on to Spotify, iTunes wherever you get your podcasts from.
So and actually anything I do other than other people's
shows obviously goes on there. So you can always watch
everything in podcast format if you want to find me.

(01:22:41):
But YouTube is the place, guys awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
We will of course make sure that all the all
the the information, all the links are in the description
of you know, on on YouTube, on you know, the
podcasting sites wherever it's wherever it. It is gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Yeah, any any any last words from any last words
from you?

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't trust the clown. There we go.
That's right, a simple one. Don't trust the clown. There's
a reason why you call people clowns.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
There's a reason why we're living in the clown world. Well,
and on that, you know, piece of great advice. Very
much for watching. Thank you all very much for for listening.
I do remember to, of course like share and subscribe.

(01:23:40):
You know, maybe you know someone who still thinks that
clowns and circuses are innocent. Share this with you know
that someone who you know shattered their dreams. Sorry sorry,
if you are listening to this on the podcasting platform
specifically Spotify and Apple Podcasts, do leave us at five

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star rating. It helps out so much more than you think.
It is a small gesture, but you know, does a lot.
Uh find Across the Pond on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook.
We have our own website now we do we do.

(01:24:23):
What is the web address for.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
That again, www dot Across the Pond podcast dot co
dot UK.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
And that is going to be the well, the main
hub for the for the podcast where you can find everything,
all the all the episodes, all the other interesting stuff
that we do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
With every episode.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Already, Well look at him. Hard work, hard work, hell
yeah uh so yeah, thank you again, Paul, Thanks Andy,
Thanks Paul. It's been it's been great. We will see
you all. We will talk to you old and next time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Bye bye everyone, by.

Speaker 7 (01:25:18):
Strict contact, COTTT, cops, cottet.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
In.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
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