Code Red: Whistle blower Justean on NHS Corruption and Negligence FOLLOWUP

In this explosive follow-up, we continue the harrowing account of the NHS nurse who risked everything to speak out.

After exposing the presence of fake nurses and unexplained patient deaths during the height of the COVID crisis, she now reveals what happened behind closed doors. From silenced staff to secret payouts and pressure from upper management, this episode uncovers the systemic rot hidden beneath the NHS’s public image.

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (01:00):
And welcome to another edition of Across the Pond. This
is the longer waited part two with Justine over there
on the far side. Hello, Justine. And we also have
a new face on with us here smiling away there.
This is Amanda. You're going to see a lot more
of her, hopefully with a lot more episodes. It's nice
to have a pretty face there instead of aliz or Stein's.

(01:22):
I will say that two beautiful ladies on the stream tonight.
Two beautiful ladies. So we're going to carry on from
our part one. If you haven't listened to part one,
please do have a listen to part one just so
you can get the background of where Justine is from,
where she comes from, what she's actually been through. During
the last episode, I think we got to just about

(01:45):
the start of Lockdown, didn't we, Justine.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's where we finished off. So we're going to pretty
much take it up there, So Amanda take it away.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Okay, so lovely to me, du Justin, and thank you
of course for taking time to come back on to
the Obviously, the first podcast you've done it was quite long,
so we really want to bring it back to Lockdown
and really unfold that today so that everyone has a
chance to really hear what's been going on. So if

(02:17):
you could tell me about what actually did go on
during Lockdown, I can.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Answer tell you. We just it just felt like the
world was crashing in. It just felt like such a
sad time. Obviously, people couldn't come into the hospital. It
become to a point of everywhere were so quiet. So
that's when I had to go to a different hospital.
I'll say it because I'm not bothered. They can do

(02:44):
what they like to me. Have actually got to that
point where well, no, because how I look at it,
you need these hospitals need to know what was going
on in these hospitals. So there was things I noticed
in that one, things I didn't notice in that one.
So pretty much I was in charge of certain areas.
I was in charge of red receless areas, which actually

(03:07):
later transpired in court that I wasn't in charge when
these people actually knew that I was in charge, so
they'll even lie in perjury in a court floor, which
I have one hundred and nine page statement. But regardless
of that, I was in charge of areas. Not all
the time obviously, you know, because everybody you know, you

(03:30):
know their roles. But I actually got moved to different
places and then work got very quiet at the GWENT.
So I took a little job obviously on an agency
up to the Rogan Morgan and just just seeing so
many different things going on, and it's it's actually very

(03:52):
overwhelming what you're seeing because it wasn't just about patience,
It wasn't just about staff, was about it was a
whole package of what what lockdown was actually bringing in,
you know, so like how how kind the public were
to us? I mean, I really can honestly say, after

(04:15):
losing my own hebby to can say, you got like
my known Sam staff, but you've got nana knitters. You know.
They were helping us with the with the visors, with
the things for your ears because we had our ears
really hurt. Yeah. They were also you know, food is
being brought in ciries, Domino's pizzas and stuff like that,

(04:41):
and they were starting to do gofund me in Cardiff
at the heath, which I was stunned at and I'm like,
oh my gosh. So and they was just like this
this whole thing of like you know, computers and laptops
and stuff and phones being brought in by the public

(05:02):
and this overwhelming kindness that the public showed us. And
I actually think it was one of those it was
I don't know how to say this, but it's like
it wasn't reciprocated back to how kind they were, Does
that make sense. So it was like it was it

(05:23):
was like it was taking advantage of and I didn't
think that was acceptable because you've got loved ones that were,
you know, obviously losing people, and it was it was
all the time. It's not it's not like you had
a break from somebody dying. We had to deal with
that every single day in the areas that I was

(05:46):
in but lockdown just gave this this whole new thing
of everything that was going on. It just wasn't painting
just the one picture. It was dealing with what you
had to deal with on shift. And then by the

(06:06):
time I went to the week, it's when I noticed
the rogue nurses. So I never I never saw it
in the gwend In in the A and E. And
I believe obviously it's because there was hardly any staff there.
They weren't needing agency at the time.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
The thing with A and A is it's public facing
as well, isn't it. So that's going to be the
place where you don't actually see anything or any of
this actually going on.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
So it was only when I went to the Rogan
Morgan and I saw, you know, I was like, I
saw a different picture, and I spoke to one of
the man and that I got to be honest that
she was awful to us and I and I actually
think I know why now, and it was just to
cover up her incompetence as a manager in the A

(07:00):
and E department. We couldn't get breaks. I actually said
to her, you know, can I have a break? It
was like five o'clock in the evening. Can I have
a break? You don't need a break, she said to me.
I'm like, oh my gosh, wow, you you know why
what is it with that? But the thing is, see
one hospital did one thing and another hospital did another.

(07:22):
So at the Royal Bloom Royal Bloom Morgan, which people
didn't know they all have free breakfasts, we didn't that.
We didn't at you know, the Gwent or any other
hospital that I'd gone to. So it's like pick and
shoes which hostel got? What do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And it was like a free for all? Wasn't it
sounds like a free for all?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I do you know what they didn't like? Including agency?
And I'm like wow, And I can tell you what
that was as well, Andy, And it was to do
with you, weren't you? You know the many that you weren't.
But what they didn't know was that the other trust
was on. And you don't know this either until I'm
telling you now a lot of a lot of staff

(08:03):
on the NHS left their positions to do bank.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Do you know how much?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Do you know how much they wrong?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
It's about double the wage, isn't it right?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
So on bank? Right? So where does we get blamed
as agency all the time. We're the problem. We're not
the problem, right, Because you had NHS going off sick
left right and center right, you have agency that couldn't
afford to go off sick because they you know, later on,
you know, you work up the tax avoidance and stuff

(08:32):
like that. We don't have any We've got nothing, you know,
We've got no legal we've got no legal cover because
you're in tax avoidance avoid which is what the trust
is know, you know. And then I'm like, oh my gosh,
So on bank in the antest, not in this hospital,

(08:54):
but in the castal they were on thirty three pounds
an hour and on weekends they were on fifty five
I've pound an hour.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah. So that's agencies, isn't it. Agencies are like that,
they get terrible.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
No, that's the NHS.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Is that the NHS? Right?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, right, that's not the agency. So I was actually
on less than the NHS.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Bank right, I've got you now, right, Yeah, So I was.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I was, and this is true. You can see all
my texes to my agency. I was actually one of
the lowest paid on agency andy.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Right, I've got you now, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
So so the public wouldn't know that that that trust
is like, oh my gosh, these nurses are saying that
they're skinned. They haven't gotten nothing. They get the NHS
discounts on possibly everything, the blue light card and everything,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, you're saying that you're skinned,
but yeah, you'll go to you know, cost a coffee
for fifteen quid for a coffee. He just didn't. I

(09:52):
just couldn't get it because I'm like, it's not like
saying old school, because like, okay, I am, but we
never needed a gofund me to take tea and coffee
into work. I took it from home. And then somebody
from like I did actually do this right, So this
was ocy on Facebook and it was the was it

(10:17):
the theater's department in the Cardiff and one of my
ex colleagues had was doing to go fund me and
I said, what on earth are you doing? I said,
your escape goat for these managers. I said, because that's fraud.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, I said, take it down.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I said, go phone me for tea, coffee and business
for goodness sake, I said, don't get them from home
and take your own in like we've been doing for
the last thirty odd years.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Are you doing their business? Isn't there all where you
go to work, you take your own tea and coffee
and don't you kind of think and.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
They you had curries? Right? I mean, I do know this,
the fact there were some staff that were actually phoning
up Dominoes and asking them for pizzas. Who does that?
I mean that is just completely rude. You know who
don't phone up and say, you know, we're you know,
would in work, could we need some we need some
free food. The free food was honestly it was the

(11:14):
people were just so kind and it was just being abused.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's taken advantage, isn't It's that the normal staffing system,
the normal staffing people that were there phoning up different
companies and asking for freebies because it wasn't I.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Was working on. It was not nice. It was the
most unkind a time because it was like I said,
so then it was the what was it called the
laptops And that was not the laptop, sorry, the the
phones and the iPads you know for patients at or
end of life. And I mean what baffled me was

(11:54):
what eighteen months you know, these are in locked managers
rooms and go missing. Where did they go missing too?
Because the only place that they were in was in
manager's office in offices.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah right, So then.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
We also have and I couldn't like I've sessed the
link out now, so I get the link. And so
Tescos gave us of the NHS. I'm sorry, like cages
of Easter eggs.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yes, I saw those. Yeah, I saw those. We got
some of those in that where I worked as well.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, it was like it's all for us, it's not
for agency. And I'm like, wow, they just filled them,
filled them, you know, whatever they could, and loads and
loads of Easter eggs, and you know, I'm like, oh
my god, I've just never seen such a fightful time
that all you've done is take and take and take
when you you know. And I mean, like, I'm just

(12:51):
I'm saying I didn't cut, right, I'm like, we're not heroes.
I've been doing this as a living. I don't and
you know, I mean, don't get me wrong. You know,
I'm not saying I didn't have a Coby because I did, right.
I'm not saying I didn't have pizza because I did, right.
But it was still this big grudging do you know

(13:12):
what I mean? Well, that's really hours. Well actually it's
come from the public. But they we go and then
wine champagne in the office. We never had that that
that goes in one place, and there's only one type
of people that go in that office, not anybody else.
And your managers.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, of course, and it's the same.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
They're actually together the cover up things. So what I
saw like, and I was I was mortified with what
I was seeing like when I spoke I spoke to
consultants because obviously, you know, you know, I mean, don't
did this the wrong way? Five years in, ten years in.
I'm thirty years in by then, I've got a lot
of experience behind me, and I'm like, why are you

(14:00):
doing this? Why are you doing that? And all of
a sudden I ask. I do ask because I think, well,
why shouldn't you ask? Right, I mean, your job is
to ask questions, isn't it. We're supposed to be We're
supposed to be a teaching hospital, aren't we We're supposed
to be a learning hospital.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
So I go into work and it's like, why why
can't we do give you one example? I'm like, where
where does all these come from? All these new rules
that I go through the list in a minute, But
why can't we do these things? And my answer was
why Obviously a few people was well it comes from

(14:40):
the top, what's it not? Who was the top? How
if you listen to me and Dave Cartland on our
podcast right now, we quite align in certain things because
everybody was saying, now they're down there, Victoria Rickson's down
there and I'm in here in Wales, and then it's
well why why why can't you do these things? So

(15:01):
you've got three different people. In fact there's a lot
more because obviously I've spoken to them all over the country.
We were all pretty much being told the same thing.
So where does that rule come from them? Because that's
the whole country doing one thing. So what I start
seeing and when I start questioning, well, who's this come from?
Do you know what I mean? Why can't we do

(15:23):
these things in a case of being shut down? I'm
just told comes from the top, comes from the top.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's a hierarchical pyramid, isn't it. It's filtering down all
across the country.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
From yes, that's all it was. So these are the
things that I noticed. Right, So me and Dave Cartlind
are exactly the same on this. So any introbations of
patients now bear in mind. I was in recess areas.
I was in charge of this area. As I said

(15:57):
to you, not all the time, but I was still
in charge regardless, I've still worked in these areas. I
never stopped being high end areas. I was never put
in with the dancing crew. I'm just saying, right, I
was put on levels where we had death and die
in every single day. Yeah, and you want to like,
will that in your head? My gosh, that's a lot

(16:17):
of death, you know that? Yeah, a lot of us sore,
certainly not just me, you know. And then so newly
intebation to patients, which I honestly it baffled me.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
And I've got it wasn't necessary, wasn't it? With the
intubation that a lot of people just brought in and
then straight away put on it.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
The problem is they were definitely you don't survive.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's not a lot of people survive as soon as
they put on that, are they It's like a very
last resort kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, I was really shocked because you would people were
talking like me and you and the next thing, then
they were intubated, and even I just couldn't grasping. Yeah,
there's no reason, and don't take this strongway, right, I said.
So from ninety eight to two thousand and fifteen, I

(17:09):
was actually I worked in the NHS in theaters. I
was a spinal sister for the last five years of
my career. When you do on calls for lundop, you
do on calls for the heath, so we I you know,
I get called out for lots of cases. So I'm
pretty sure I'd allowed to be a little bit qualified
by saying I understand what early intebation means. Yeah, I

(17:33):
know it. I've worked in seed pod, you know, I've
worked across the board in all of these theaters, and
I'm like, I still couldn't grasp the fact of the
early intubation. And nobody would say nothing.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
No, they wouldn't. It's an extremely invasive as well, isn't
it extremely invasive?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
It's very invasive, and don't forget upon it.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, you do, exactly, but I.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Couldn't under found it. And then so another thing that
I saw was, to me, this is just how it
felt Okay, it felt like everybody that walked in the
door had a DNR. M you do it? I just
a DNA. They've only got asthma. Yeah, how are you

(18:20):
just doing? How are you giving somebody a DNR? And
then later on then basically there were patients that didn't
know that they had dnrs in their notes. Honestly, it
was just it was the whole thing was like this.
It was like being shot at from every single direction of.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
And then you're just not going to know. And like
you say, people were coming in with asthma, people were
coming in just the general the time of year, you'll
get the elderly coming in with flu and they don't
need intubating at all. I remember my brother being having
that done when he's windpie collapsed and that's the only
reason they did it was to keep his airway open. Yes,

(19:03):
because he couldn't breathe without it, and that's what it
should be used for.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, these people are just coming in put into the
intensive care and they were instantly intimated, weren't they.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, and I saw that in downstairs.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah. Did you notice at that time as well as
that started to go on, did you notice that the
nursing staff would change into these more agency or the
people he didn't know coming into these wards.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
He said that the ground I never saw it. I
didn't I didn't see them because I think it was
just so quiet and I was actually setting to know
the NHS staff. Yeah, so I started building the rapport
with them obviously at the same time, and he started
coming in.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Was also it, Yes, they didn't they I'm not sure
what that hospital was called, but yet, but the Nighty
Gale Hospital, wasn't it or something? They started doing that
kind of.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Thing were they were down with us as well. And
from what I and I'm being totally honest with you, Andy,
they I think it was this and it was I
am going to say this, it was like a god
complex because it was, yeah, we're, you know, we got

(20:20):
the uniform on and stuff and that, I like, you
still don't know what you're doing. So they in the
army or whatever they were, and they still didn't know
what they were doing.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
There for triage, weren't they? Army medics are more for
triage more than hospital kind of care, aren't they?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
You know? I mean, like you know, I mean, I'm
not saying that there's not some you know, there courses
army people that could put a canner in and do
those types of the medics. There's are there are medics,
but the ones that I saw it it wasn't. But
again it brought this, you know, with the army, and
we've been drafted in because we needed and I'm like,
oh my gosh, you know yeah, and even even when

(21:02):
you spoke to ambulas crews even like I mean even
they would tell you, it's like they would they you are.
I can tell you right now. I just remembered what
they actually told me that I was going to say
the name.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Then careful careful.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
That it's like we're babysitting the army.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
M hmm. Well you would be, wouldn't you, because they're,
like you say, they're not medically trained, they're not hospital environment.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Just when their job, you know, when it's like having
to deal with something this, I mean like you're brand new,
you're new to the area. You don't you know, like
you said, it's like I actually didn't know this. I'm
being honest. I was this went out because I went
on on my health and safety course last month. I
didn't realize and I still you are I'm even stopped now.

(21:48):
I didn't know that paramedics do not have first day training.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
No, I didn't know that. I thought the drivers might not,
But the actual paramedics would.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I spoke to because I because what it was when
I was at the course, I actually said, what is it?
I said, because I said, you don't do skin checks?
I said, you don't, I said, and taking patients to
the toilet. It's like it's like we don't take patience
to the toilets. Well, why don't you. You're not a
truck to twelve hours for goodness sake. You don't do

(22:21):
skin checks. You don't do X y Z. Because the
amount of times that I would have to go from
the A and E to put a candor in on
a patient, I would do that. I would take their obs,
I would do the blood like craikey, this patient has
been sat here for like twelve hours, but yet the
minute they crossed the threshold to come to A and E. Well,

(22:41):
I don't get is I've only got an hour to
save your life. But they've been on the truck to
twelve hours with no skin check.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, and then yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Only thought they were you know, they did have the
first aide. But I got told at the cross because
obviously I'm asking them, I'm talking and I'm saying, and
he said, we're not first day trained. Just see.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Even I'm first aid trained, and that's from working in
different like oporate companies, you know, like running a cost
to coffee or you know, working in an estate agents,
and I received furstday training on both.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
So that's truly disturbing.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, that's disturbing, especially when we're putting I didn't guess.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I was actually really shocked when when they told me
that on the course.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
We're not sure all the viewers are going to be
very shocked hearing that one, because that's like that would
that would just stand out to me to be like
the very basic first thing that anyone's taking us to
the hospittal or doing any kind of you know, medical
assistance would have to have first day training.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yet, so I actually I don't guess his either. So
when I did my train in it was three years now,
my training was ninety three to ninety six. Okay, what
I don't get is in my three decades of doing this,
why hasn't a nurse when they're qualified Canila cafeters right

(24:13):
the basics blood they do these things in three decades
and I'm like, they got await another four to six
months before going on to a pourse and that's if
it's available, and then they still have to wait these things.
You know, the NMC should and the Royal College of Nursing,

(24:37):
they should be really supporting these nurses. You know, they're
totally brand spanking you. But unfortunately the way it's you know,
I mean, I think that's why I did stick up
for myself because I'm like, and I was always trying to,
you know, trying to say, look, they need training. As
I've said before, I said I said this in the
last episodes and I'll say it again. It's called bridging

(24:59):
the gap Andy, And what they need is somebody on
the shop floor, right, helping the newbies to understand conditions, pumps,
stuff like that, and then these girls boys need go
do you know what. I'm fine because that person is
going to help me. Now, I'm not stating managers on

(25:21):
this because I'm not. So managers do their jobs. They
have their roles, but they don't not all of them
do pumps candidates because that's not their way, and that's
not you know, once they've come out of it and
gone into being a manager's job, it's a totally different
end of the spectrum. You're you're you know, it's paperwork,
it's complaints and stuff like that, but it's it's a

(25:42):
totally different role. But it's called bridging the gap. And
they need to do something because I mean, like you've
you've lost, I mean the amount of people that they're
getting rid of mine because like I said, they're silencingness.
But all you're doing is creating do you know what
a workforce that have got no support? Even more so
because you've got rid of good people and I am

(26:03):
a good nurse, right for what? You got rid of beef?
For what? For? Raising concerns? That guess what they should
have acknowledged straight away?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
You're raised concerns because do you know what duty of
candle which I don't know if you know about the
duty of candle was actually you know from will Powell
and that is so did you know that they this
duty of candle actually isn't even law, so it actually
means that they can lie and get away with it.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I've just read that song where actually about all the
things as well, where they can just lie in inquiries.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
In the court of law and you don't even have
to do on nothing. I was like, but that's strange,
because the thing is andy I was in my life,
I'm told duty of candle, tell the truth, and even
like when I was suspended, tell the truth, Justine, tell
the truth, Justine, be honest. And I'm like, you lot
absolutely nuts because all you're doing is covering up. And

(27:05):
I said that to them.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know, a lot of people don't realize this, do they.
With the inquiries, any kind of inquiry, nursing, even the
Hillsbury inquiry, if you go onto that as a witness,
you can say what you want. You don't have to
tell the truth, and you can't be prosecuted for it.
I only found out about two hours ago, waiting to
come on here. Yeah, that's scandalous.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, So I honestly didn't. Like, I'm like, because I
wasn't like, I've never brought myself onto work and I'm like,
oh gosh, if I've done something or whatever, I'm like,
oh my gosh, you.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Know, make a mistake kind of thing. Yeah, I don't
want the.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Effects of that, you know, you know, craiky, something could
really happen and stuff like that. No, thanks, you know,
let's just sort this up, let's deal with it. And
I don't know if you know this, So did you
know that we were stopped also from doing do you
know what a d dimer is?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Fine?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Right, So the dedimer is a blood test to see
if you've got abnormal blood spike, so basically is to
find out about blood clots. Right, So what happens is
you've got a blood clot and when it dissolves, it
actually raises your de diimer levels. Right, So give you

(28:23):
I could get I'll give you, like I think it's
a couple of examples. So we stopped from doing that
and work and again I'm questioning this, why can't we
do de dimers because that'll tell you, you know, cancer. Yeah,
and also it's also to do with you know, COVID,

(28:47):
So it is actually to do with that. That's not
you know, and that's not lockdown. That is to do
with the COVID nineteen and the actual complications of it.
So but we couldn't we could not do a D diimer.
So how serious is that that we couldn't you know,
like of course at the time, we'd have had patients

(29:09):
with cancer strokes, but yeah, we can't. We couldn't obviously
help you to treat you. I just find it scandalous, Andy,
that that is how you're going to treat these people.
That not be funny, but they're the they're the taxpayers.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, exactly, people.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
That paying for it.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
And I'm like, we.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Can't have that. You're you're you're you're not doing that
and stuff. So, you know, I've talked about this one before,
but the other thing with COVID. Now, I have had
my vaccines. Okay, I had the three, and I will
tell you that absolute truth. Right. So my first one

(29:53):
I was fine, my second one I was fine, and
my third one are kind have just felt well. However,
on my third one I had and I generally did
have this all night, I had restless leg and it
was it was absolutely killing me. It was really.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Painful, horrible, horrible restless.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
So I did what I had to do, which I
you know, I've got my little program and I wouldn't
shout that out because it's my program. Everybody's different, and
that wouldn't be fair to somebody to say take this,
take that, because that's not the way it works. So
I did what I did, and I was fine the
next day and that type of thing. But the other,

(30:41):
the other thing with with COVID with and in lockdown
was the fact that again what I was trying to say,
and we had so much going.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
On a lot, wasn't that yet your usual stuff going
on in there? But then you also add all the
extra bird and put on you as well.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, and I know that this one's going to blow
people's mind. So right now, I have obviously heard this
a lot, and it is about the misuice of midas
Lam right now, I can honestly tell you, and this
is on camera. I never saw misuse off my daz

(31:21):
lam on patients.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Okay, what cases?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Right, So the midas lamb is you know it's used
in end of life care, right, and also you know
we use it in theaters things like that. Okay, right,
But I've just seen this story so much, and I
can't say for their stories because I can't. I can
still only say from my experience and my point of view.

(31:47):
And again I was in high end areas. You know,
it's not I and this was every day. I never
saw it, but what I did see is going to
break your heart even more because why actually did she
was patients dying in agony and they were left alone.

(32:12):
So when I actually said to a number of staff,
what are you doing? Why are you leaving these patients
on their own? So in the one trust there's they're
all cubicles, yea and a doors, and patients were literally
just left. They had they had no they had no

(32:33):
end of life drugs.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, I can believe it. I can believe in. My
mum died during that time and we were going to say,
you know, we were going to bring an ambulance and
get her to there when it was coming to the
final days, and the actual hospice here said, don't do that.
She'll be left, she'll be on her own, you won't
be able to see us. So we kept her at
her home and that's where we did that. We were

(32:57):
told not to let her go into hospital because we've
never see her again. Imagine being told that as a
family of anybody. It could be an old person, young personage,
you know was affect.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's why I say, and it's it really, I mean,
I mean loads of things. It's certainly, not just that,
Like I said, my whole career. You know, it's not everything,
you know, I mean, like I can go, I can
cry it like loads of things. I really could. What
I was more mortified was when I would say to
these students and these nurses, you know why that patients

(33:35):
on their own and I was actually told this was
this is awful. I was actually old, I'm not going
in there. They've got COVID. I'm like, how can you
say that?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It's kind of.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
All over the world a room the door doesn't stop it.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, but we were everybody was working it and stuff
like that, and I was just bled and I'm like,
are you so, are you actually going into the right
career or something? Because you know, I'll go down with
the title.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
No, I'm not going to say at the top and
get on the on the boat. I'll go down with it,
thanks very much. See if I can give somebody some
comfort while I go down.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's the duty of care the profession, isn't it. Really?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's the hippocratic oath andy right, Although I mean there's
loads of spin on the hypopastic cost. It's for doctors.
It means best to care, needs.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
It means any medical care, ethics.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
It means behavior, it means caring, It means first, do
no harm.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, exactly, it's the basic room of caring for someone.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Bloody room and you bloody see to that person who
is end of life. Right, you support them, you hold
their hands, and you do the best that you can.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, make it comfortable for them.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
And it wasn't that now they were dying in agony, Andy, right,
they were in pain. They did not have end of
life drugs. I'm not saying people, not not everybody. I'm
not saying that, but I'm still saying there was lots
of people that were just left in these rooms on
their own. I mean, I'm one person, I could still

(35:16):
only see two whoever, do you know what I mean?
I can't be everything.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
No, you can't wish yourself around every single person on
every single ward. What would you put that down to? It?
Is he going to say a cost issue, lack of training,
lack of drugs. What would you say was the reason
or why you think the reason was?

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Like I said, I just remember it well, it was
certainly wasn't just one person. I mean, managers would just
walk past these doors as well. What is sudden, like
I said, and I think, I say, it's sounding bloody
drugs or was wanting this hero status, but he's not heroes.

(36:02):
We die in agony. I just like I said. So
the answers that I got, you know, from the nurses
was I'm not going in there because they've got COVID.
I said, yeah, but when you do last offices, you
have to say to the patient then anyway you know

(36:23):
you're in those I honestly, I just but I've never
been like that. I don't care what you've got. You
could have age, you could have something else, anything that
you what's wrong with you. And I've still go in
that boom.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That's what it was like, wasn't it When the AIDS epidemic,
the AID epidemic was happening, people were saying, Oh, I'm
not touching that person. They've got AIDS. I'm not doing this,
they've got AIDS. But it's just it's drummed into you.
If you notice that that kind of time. It was
drummed into on the adverts on the television HIV this age,
this age that, and it was the same that right.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I can tell you who helped with stuff like that.
Andy was printing died. Hm, right, she said she helped, Right,
so many people just break that barrier. Yeah, you know,
and it's like, oh, thank god for that. And I
really do mean, it's just like, oh, yes, thank god,
we've got somebody that actually got a common sense, you know.

(37:17):
And it was hold my hand, and it was you know,
it was touching people and it was not just it
doesn't mad. It wasn't one person. It was lots of
people all over the world she touched. And it's like,
this is why she was needed. We needed a princess Diana,
do what I mean?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Because you need that figure, don't you who isn't scared
to break the law?

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yes, you need that figure and everything else. And you know,
it was you know, but it was just I couldn't
understand the mentality. It wasn't really the case of the training.
It was just a case of avoiding. Yeah, you know,
I'm not saying everybody was bad, because they weren't. And

(37:57):
the good ones know who they were. I know who
they were. But I still know who that manager was
that said don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Well, yeah, the problem isn't it. So we said this
in the last episode about the break from the staff
to the management where they're looking at spreadsheets of this
is costing this, this is costing that, and they're just
trying to break even and they're actually trying to make
money now, aren't they in the NHS, Which is.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Well, I did hear this later. I didn't hear this
straight away. And it wasn't like I said. It certainly
wasn't imminent. I said, You've got so much going on,
and you know, it's like you felt like that with
lockdown everybody certainly, you know, but I can say that
there was just this level of I mean, and the

(38:45):
clap was. I just don't see it as a good thing.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
It was understand why people didn't do it. I can't
understand why people didn't do it because I never.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Saw myself as a hero. I just saw myself as
going to work trying to do the best that I could,
you know. I but it was the mentality of of
how and it did. And I think maybe this is
what others wanted. They wanted to seg with great people.
They wanted to separate morals and see and cause arguments

(39:18):
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
So I didn't know this. I really didn't until I
think it was in the last twenty four hours. I
don't know if you know this, but the NHS it's
actually it's actually done buy England. So Whales don't have
an NHS APP for.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Them and they access ours though is there information on
ours or England?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
What I'm trying to say is that you're so you've
got the NHS app, right, that is for obviously for
England and Wales or whatever it's for. Right. But what
I worked out and what I think I'm writing saying
this so if you think services flame services, don't they
England are blamed Wales, Wales are blamed England and Scotland.

(40:03):
And that's how it works, right, because it's so. But
actually does it work like that, because it's the system
that is the cause of this. It's not England, it's
not Wales, it's not Scotland or Ireland. It's the system.

(40:23):
Because is it somebody's fault in England what happens to
somebody in Wales?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
No, not necessarily, it's you're getting into them more like
a regional care is it where different areas need different
things to care for people, Which, yeah, exactly, it's true.
Even in the country are small somebody in the North
will need something different to the South and a different
kind of care because we're all different kind of people.
They tried to be everything for one kind of thing,

(40:51):
which doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Jason Killing's right, so he was the lash ambulance. He's
gone out to London now just saying because he's got
his new job.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
But so this chatman he didn't even know his own job.
So the I pr root system it's actually he said it,
it's not. No, it's not done in England. I guess
what it's done. Yeah, so you've got this honorable chairman.

(41:22):
He doesn't his job.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's been put in that job by somebody else, hasn't.
It's it's that kind of thing. Jobs for the boys
who don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I want to know, right Andy, and I do. I
want to know, Amanda, where all these people get these
titles from honorable honorable. No, you're not honorable mm hmmm,
because if you are honorable, you would have a decent
moral code and compass about themselves. That's not honor. It's

(41:52):
the people like all of us that are trying to
like say, not fake news. It yeah, this is this
is the reality of what went on. Then you know
this is I mean, like, like I said, lockdown was
an awful time for all over the world.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, it definitely was for everybody. Like you say,
and these people they come in, it'd be like my
best friend, Oh, we can do that job. I'll put
him in charge of this because he's got this title
of honorable, but he hasn't got a clue what he's
doing in the job. You see that all over the
public sector, of all these jobs and all these massive

(42:32):
British institutions that have people at the top haven't got
a clue.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah. But what it comes down to again, Andy, Right,
so all these managers, so us people like you me,
we're gonna have a TBS check. They don't have TBS checks,
so you don't have TBS checks. But we have to
pay for this privilege, right, but yes we'll, but we
still don't get jobs.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
And I'm like, but you go from manager to manager
to manager, to promotion to promotion, to nepotism to totalitarianism
because they all like this control over you. Yeah. I
just want to know what these people are like in
their own homes, because if it's the pace, you must
be absolutely vicious every single time to your kids to act,

(43:20):
your family members. If that's how you treat people in work,
The bullying, you know, forcing forcing your staff to admit
to things that they've never done. Yeah, you know, and
the whole, the whole ethos of how they bully us, Moses,
you know, telling me that I, you know, I stole
two hundred pounds off of patients, you know, telling me

(43:42):
that I am I stole morph to ampuels of morphine,
and then trying to get me to do courses that
I'm like, what am I doing courses for? I think
have even done it? And then you find out then
that there's there's no cea CTV and to protect you. Now,
I'm not saying about dignity, Andy, because I do believe

(44:04):
in dignity, but I'm still saying, hang on, if you'd
checked the CCTV as I thought there was, you'd see
I didn't take two vials of morphine. But the thing is, though, Andy,
they knew I didn't take the two miles of morphine,
the two vials of morphine, because it was five months
in between that and suspending me.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, it's like building a case against you, isn't it.
That's what they were trying to do the.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Case against me for everything that I was finding out.
And then like I said, we couldn't date xt and
then like I said, I'll go back to the to
rogal Morgan. And then when I went down to Cardiff,
the rogue nurses they are not nursist. Please check your badges,
Please check these badges off these nurses because the pictures, yeah,

(44:48):
you know, and they're not trained, they're not anything, They're nothing.
And I sound up to judgful now, but I when
I actual she saw this article yesterday about the cult
in nursing homes, which to me was obviously in the
hospitals as well. It's certainly not just in nursing homes.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, what was.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Frightening was when I actually saw the date of the
article was the same date that I actually saw the
rope nurses. And I just can't believe how much it aligns.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And that's what I was going to say, they.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Knew because what I was, I know, I can't say
for it. I can't speak for other people. And because
I can't, but what I am really shocked at is
not one manager, which I like, but I couldn't get it.
Do you know what I mean? I couldn't because I
didn't know the links at the time. I got to
wait for the rolling roller coaster and the dates.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
And it's always later on, isn't it. When you get
all the little snippets of information and then you piece
the big jigsaw five or six years later down all
these little has come together and you go, that's why. Well,
then it's too late because it's discredited you and then
you just become a trouble cause I don't if you
say anything.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
The other thing I found so the beginning of this
year was again reading the media. So the article actually
stated I think it was stub quote me. I don't
think it was August, but I could have been whales
online and it actually stated so if you think I'm there,
I'm there in twenty twenty, and then five years later

(46:31):
you get more and more articles coming out, aren't we.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I was absolutely mortified that an Iron bev and Health
board admitted in the media that one in four deaths
in Lockdown would needless deaths.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yeah, so I think, right, well, oh, my.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Actual goodness, you've just admitted that one in four deaths
was needless, and there's us for you really trying to
save lives. And then at the same time, you've got
rogue nurses infiltrating hospitals.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
I was honestly baffled, Andy, And like I said, five
years later to see that in a newspaper one in four.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
This is Yeah. It's like we just said, isn't it.
It's everything comes together as you say it. Would you
say these nurses were put in for that purpose?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Do you know what? Andy? Say this because I'm just
wondering if it was planted for the reason, because nobody
would do anything. I mean, And I also get this
with as well, because I'll say this as well. So
I've been very lucky in my career right when it
comes to racism, right, but there has been I could

(47:50):
I could name three examples right off where I was.
So the one time I was actually literally and this
was this was many decades ago, Okay, So that was
the first one, and then the other ones were at
the grange and I'm like, I'm racist. I said, it's
about the color your skin, mate, I said, that's what

(48:14):
it's about. I said, you don't have the skills, you're lazy.
So the one I got corned to this was years ago, right,
like I said in landok. And I actually got cornered
downstage right. I couldn't believe it was all on my own.
And then you're racist. You are just DENI racist, I went,
I said, nothing to do with racism. I said, you

(48:35):
just go out of so much work. I said, you're lazy.
That's the difference. I don't care where you're coming from,
or who you are or what you are, because guess what,
I'll take it. Then, Andy that hang on, I must
say that I get I don't like it. And you
call me white because I'm not white. The last time,

(48:57):
I just a bit of off color myself, you know
what mean?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, pink, Yeah, I'm a bit brown there, I'm a
bit browner there. No, I'm not right yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
And then it's just about doing the job.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Yeah. And then another time right, So this was actually
at the grange, and I couldn't believe this when now
loads of them new but she was racist, right right?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
So this was this was a DKA patient. So that
DK is ah, my god, I'm saying that a diabet
into acidosis right right, And this patients had been in
since half past eleven at night. Right, this agency news
was considered a favorite, right, and I'm like, why haven't

(49:42):
you done the pump? There's no insulin, there's no you know,
glucose c line in that, there's no there's nothing, there's
no protocol at all. Right, But yet half past eleven,
I'd actually had a couple of incidences with this same nurse. Right,
I'm racist. And it's nothing to do with being racist,
lem I said, is to do with the fact you

(50:02):
haven't done the jobs. So what I work out is
and andy is the incompetence they couldn't do it? Yeah,
so because otherwise why wouldn't you? But what they writed
the notes is very plain and simple. There's no doctor.
And that's as simple as it is. Couldn't find a doctor.
What so that covers you that you couldn't find a doctor.

(50:24):
That's what they do. So this DKA right, there was
nothing done, and I'm like, oh my gosh, you know
what I mean. And then I again the in the
other issue was so we were we were actually in
the same area, and I got accused of different things
like was it you've you've had an extended break. I'm like,

(50:46):
you're blessing mad, I said to you know, but let's
because you've just taken an hour, you know, stuff like that. Anyway,
we end up going in the office, and I tell
you what, when they listen to this podcast, this sister
will know exactly what I'm on about whoever it is.
I know she will, right because when office right, I
got pulled into the office with the person that called

(51:06):
me racist. I said my bit right, and this manager
did nothing right. She actually went, well, you know, and
and do you know what this is true? So this
person who accused me of racism in front of this
nurse and sister, she says to me, you're racist against
all my Philippine people. No, I don't think so. Do

(51:29):
you know what I mean? You're just making all this up?
Do you know what I mean? Instead, I said, look,
I said to the manager, I said, if you think
that this is acceptable that a DKA patient is left
without any treatment, then there's something wrong.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
You shouldn't need a doctor to do any kind of
basic care on that kind of patient. Should you proved?

Speaker 3 (51:50):
You know what I mean? You've I mean, like even
if you couldn't get a doctor, you know, use the
bleep system and called the manager mm hm, you know,
and stuff like that. But if that they just don't
what they want to go and detected Andy because they
want the money. And that is what it's all about.
That's what I said to you. These lots they did
generally get more shifts than a lot of people, right,

(52:14):
They get all the weekends, they get this, that and
the other. But these are the ones that you know
they would say nothing. You know, you speak out one
little bit and guess what, you lose your job, but
you'll keep you'll keep bad nurses. And I just I
just I still don't get it now, but you want
to keep putting people at risk. And I mean, like

(52:34):
that's I mean, what how I look at this now?
When I raised this is before my investigators, right, So
let's just go from September thirteenth, twenty three, when I
actually raised right, really serious concerns now to to the
health board, you know, to a lined Morgan two. Hi w.

(52:57):
I'm like, I mean, I'm not saying that. Of course
I knew before that. But what I'm trying to say
is I did it. I wrote those letters on that date, right,
and you all covered up for different stories for different
experiences that were happening along the way. So when I

(53:18):
when I find out other things. I'm like, oh my gosh,
that manager ties in with that thing. That manager now
ties in with guess what we couldn't date text. And
then when you actually work out when I was suspended,
when you work up, I was sent to the Fitness
to practice on the same day, you know that I
made disclosures the same day I wrote to all of them.

(53:39):
And it's like, wow, you know, you really are all
in it to cover each other. And it's and like
I said, what I find very strange is that. And
the managing director of Just Nurses, I mean the lies
that she wrote on my NMC report that she's she
actually put on the bottom of my NMC report, the

(54:00):
the English branch of Just Nurses. But guess what she
lives in Ireland And ironically, Andy, she's left her position
a chock horror. She got a job.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Oh yeah, they always do. They always do. When they
get from these management and they get sacked, they'll find
they'll get all their wages paid for their contract, they
get the bonuses, they get the pension, and then move
on somewhere else. It's the same thing in a lot
of places. It's just crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, it's just it's just getting that you want to
treat people like that, or if you actually so, of
course in my person opinion, you know from here, you
know from you know from a lined Morgan, you know
all these problems in their system, and you do not
do anything. You just cover it up and cover it up.

(54:52):
And it's it's not even a case of the public.
What I don't get is Andy, Like I said, it's
where when it does come to them, when it comes
to the viper keeping the room and stuff like that.
You know they kept the room for a while. We
have patients on the floor. Why would you want to
do that? Why wouldn't you, as a as a decent

(55:13):
person say, do you know what, We've got a spare
room by there. Just go in there, just take their blood,
just give them some pain relief and hopefully we can
go on to.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
The next sea.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Where is that bit of kindness, moral compass gone from people?
But do you know what, I know everybody has a moan.
I know everybody has around I'm one of them.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
But it's where we look.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
At the whole of lockdown and what it did to people.
And don't forget Andy, right, this is in hospitals. I cannot,
for the love of me, imagine what these people went
through in their own homes, right, because by then they
had the vaccines, right, So I could. I can tell
you what I saw in the trusts, and that was

(56:04):
I saw a lot of younger people with the end
of carditists, right. And I saw a lot of people
coming in say, and I'll never forget this. One woman
she said to me, she come in with the end
of card actists, right, And I'm like, oh my gosh,

(56:24):
and she said, I've ever had heart problems. Ye, I'm
starting to hear stories like that, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
So you started to get the professional footballers as well,
didn't you an athletes just dropping which I've never heard
you heard of occasionally, very occasionally, but you heard of
it so much more, young healthy people just dropping.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
It was it was so like And also the suicides.
So the suicides in the youngsters. I seriously, I'm just
in general chriit chat, you know. I was telling my agency,
I just went, oh my gosh, another bloody suicide. They're
too young, and and it was honestly, I could just

(57:07):
tell you, like I said, but also what I was
trying to say with the date texting. So from September
September the fifth, the CEO texta position, right, And it
was only three weeks later though. I'm actually told by
my agency and I'm like, like I said, the first
of October, we couldn't. We couldn't. It was a departmental thing.

(57:28):
And I think that's why I didn't get the retraining.
But I was supposed to have because by then we
were all told no day texting, you know. And I'm like, so,
how on earth if we can't date text in the hospital,
how can you date text in the community? Abuse? Mm hmm,
how can you date text a vulnerable person in the community.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
They have nursing homes. Is it the same kind of
system in a nursing home.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
System? Andy, I really don't because I don't work them
in them. But I mean, what I'm still trying to
say is that if you're helping somebody and you you
can't report anything, where do you go to?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
There's nowhere, is there?

Speaker 3 (58:10):
There was no where to go to to to help somebody.
So give you an I put a cap and obviously
let's just say somebody in retention. You put the cafter
in and the doctor says, right, I might need this
that near that they might have to go, you know,
to the gwent to the service and the you know,
surgeon and stuff like that might get all that. Yeah,

(58:31):
but it's it's the after care in the community that
you have to have to keep going like that and
us your little line, isn't it of care stop? It
just doesn't just stop in an A and E just
doesn't just stop in a ward. It stops when it's finished.
It stops when the character comes out, and that's it
end off. It doesn't stop when you get home because

(58:53):
patient's panic. Right. But what we have to do in
A and E was we have to fund the district
there is you know, we get in contact with those
services and stuff like that. So when you had lockdown,
guess what you didn't have those services. They were saying
working from home or and like not everybody. Don't get
me wrong that there were certainly district nurses that went out.

(59:13):
I'm not saying that, you know, but I mean, like
I met orthopedic people who started working from home. And
even I said to her, I said, why are you
working from home? I said, you're an orthopedic assistant.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
How is that possible? Yeah, how can you.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
See patients from home, you have to have one to
run into action.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah you do, Yeah, yours is the profession. You can't
work from home.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
You can't do that, but this is this is where
you learned. Then guess what they were or they're making
up their own numbous yeah who they are?

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Yeah, you know because there was that what was it?
There was no check on them. It was just on
going on. Now, So what you're going home for? You're
just going home. There's no way you're gonna be like.
I'm not saying you didn't sometimes work from home, not
saying that, but I'm like, you still had the flexibility

(01:00:17):
to say, do you know what, I'm going home?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I can choose when I go home. So I'm off,
I go and toddle enough.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, yeah, if you look at and the other what
was the other one? There was so like if you
look at the bank office, just give you example. So
we're on the front line, then you've got all these
apartments behind us, these not were working from home, because
even the bank office was working from home. And I want,
you know, I'm wondering where where was the CEO? Then?

(01:00:46):
Where were these board managers?

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I didn't want to sut at home in their villains
in another country. Probably, yeah, I can honestly say I
didn't see them. I believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
I didn't see board manager just walking around that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Have been on their yachts in the Caribbean or playing
tennis on their tennis court somewhere, while you guys there
on the front line. Well, I'm not going to keep
you too much longer. What we're going to do in
a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
This was getting out those things. And like I said, so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Also because I've got I have actually like you know,
right in front of me. But like the other thing
with the d timers, you know, when you can't do
things like that, you're stopping, You're you're actually it's fraud
against it's against the people of you know, in this instance,
in my instance, the people of Wales. And probably like

(01:01:45):
I said, if you listen to so many other people
around the country, is it is basic human rights that
you've just abolished for these people who needed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
That a third world country.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
First, to have it here was like shocking. But like
I said, so with a ddimer you can have you know,
it's it's your DVTs, it's your pun me embolisms. It's
your deics, which is your what was it, it's your
dimine dissemination of intramuscular right, and so something like that

(01:02:19):
would actually that tests that condition. Sorry, it's to do
with it. There would be multiple plots. So because clots
they're not they don't detect If that's the de diamer
doesn't detect it. It just tells you that there's something going.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
On something Yeah, yeah, and you know and that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Type of thing. But like I said, when it comes
down to was it strokes things, we just couldn't. We
couldn't help you. I got as far as doing sneaky
day texes where I could to say that, you know,
we couldn't do date texts in and like I said,
how I looked at it was anybody could come back
to me in ten years and get me in a

(01:03:01):
pot flow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah exactly, because your name's on that, isn't it? Your
name and information is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
There, isn't it. So what I did was I named them.
So when I did my patient notes, I said that
we couldn't date texts. So if any of this healthboard
decides to go, yeah, do you know what you know,
let's try and find something on just seine again, then
they can get any of these patient's notes, and these
these managers will be named in these notes because I

(01:03:29):
had to do it to cover my rap to say that,
to say that we couldn't date text, so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Wrong, isn't it. When you're from the outside, obviously, someone
from the outside you expect. You go into a hospital,
you've got the nurses, the doctors, the consultants, then obviously
the managers as well going up there. But what it
just seems to be is you've got your nurses here,
and then everyone above isn't interested in what the nurses
are like, the patient care, taking care of people, getting

(01:03:59):
people better, getting them home so they're well again. It
just all seems to be get them out as quick
as possible. When you get above the nursing level, get
them out, get them out. We don't want to pay
any money. It's it's just terrible. It's shocking, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
It's the scapegoating, Andy, it's scapegoating that's even worse. And
it's because you've got you have inexperienced nurses that are
totally blamed for incompetent managers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yes, and that is what it comes down to. Yes,
they're coming out of the college is not properly trained,
and they should go on to a ward like you
said before, and there should be like there used to
be a matron on the ward, a senior nurse like
yourself who knew everything. They could come to you and say,
I'm not sure how to do this. Can you show me?
And off you go, you take them. But there doesn't

(01:04:51):
seem to be I've been in hospitals a few times
over the past few years. There doesn't seem to be
that anymore. All these nurses are trying to do their job,
but they don't know if there's an issue where to
actually go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Westally noticed everything and since COVID, since Lockdown, I really did.
I never saw this in my career. No, you know,
in thirty three years. It's a long career. Yeah, you know,
we've had We've had incidents, is what we've discussed before,
of course, Yeah, and I'm not saying those incidences, but
I'm like Lockdown was just like the big change.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
It changed a loss a lot of things, a hell
of a lot of things. And obviously, you know, I
know a lot of people who are listening to this
know how much has actually changed. Well, We're definitely going
to have you on again. Justine. We still haven't covered
everything we wanted to do, did we Really, we're still
way way behind. You don't mind coming on again. Do
good thing?

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Was it? We kind of kept it to this, you know.
And I'm not saying that it's I'm not saying that
it's I certainly wouldn't win it want to hear any
of this public, but it's it's kind of like they'll
see what it was like from one person's point of
view that was in there. And I know that's I'm

(01:06:09):
not I know that there's so many people that won't
say anything. They won't Like I said, you've got Victoria,
you know, with the bird wives and pretty much like
the only one for the nursing, you know, on this
side of it. I'm not saying that perhaps from the country,
because I know that there are the whistleblowers. I'm certainly
not the first. I'm certainly not the last. There's hundreds
of years of us, do you know what I mean?

(01:06:31):
But I think when it comes to this era of
how I can perceive how we're treated, how nurses are treated,
and as I said, and I'll just say this Andy
before we go. It's just please, I'm asking the public.
Number one is checking the badge on the nurse. Check

(01:06:54):
the nurse's badge to make sure it's heard. And number
two is too if if you make a complaint about
a nurse right because don't forget, you can actually report
these managers. These managers have impeccable records, and it's because
they are not and they don't put themselves into the
mix with the NMC. That is how the managers get

(01:07:15):
out of these things, because it's the it's the band
fives and the band sixers that escape good did So
what I ask is, and I really do ask the
public this, when you write a complaint about a nurse,
please rise on there. I do not want this statement.
I do not want my complaint redacted. I want this

(01:07:36):
nurse to see this complaint. Because what happens is the
NHS once again act as the middleman. So there's the
patients and there's the nurse, so all it is is
the NHS. They make it all up as they go along,
so you're the patients will get their spin or the

(01:07:56):
family will get their spin, and then the poor nurse
who loses their career is the one that REO recops
it because they're just like, oh my gosh, you know,
I've just been accused of something. I don't know if
I've done it. I'm not sure, but that is all
I ask, Andy. It's just please write the complaint by
all means, but right on there. Please do not redact

(01:08:19):
this complaint. I want business to see this actual complaint.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
That It's the best way, isn't it. And like you said,
if anyone needs any advice or anything, are you always available, Justine?
Is there anywhere I can point them to to come
and talk to you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yes, I'm soistin street last talk, Dandy. I've actually started
at my own business for myself. So I'm actually called
Creme de la Creme Freelance Nurse, which has been cleared
by the NMC and also cleared by company's house. So

(01:08:55):
I've got my own little base. I'm on LinkedIn, I'm
on ex and I'm pretty sure you can find me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
We can always find it. Yeah, absolutely brilliant, Justine. It's
just so shocking, like me being from the outside and
obviously you're on the inside. The public don't know any
of this and they don't want it to come out.
And what you just said there about the complaints. I
completely understand it where they're sifting through them and then
they're sending it back as it's the nurse's fault. It's

(01:09:25):
the nurse's fault. It's the nurse's fault, and your poor
nurses are just there being bombarded with it when you
should be looking after their family, looking after the patients.
It's so so wrong. So we definitely have you on again, Justine,
definitely have you on. We'll have Amanda on next time
as well. She had connection issues. She had connection it's

(01:09:46):
the big man trying to stop her getting on, but
we will definitely have one on again. Thanks everyone for listening,
and don't forget any questions or anything that's been raised
in today's episode. The email addresses down there. It's in
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(01:10:06):
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