July 26, 2025 • 48 mins
In this mind-bending episode of Across the Pond, we're joined by the ever-curious and always controversial Mark Christopher Lee. Strap in as we dive headfirst into a whirlwind of the extraordinary and the unexplained.
Mark shares the astonishing story of a woman who claims to be a child of the Anunnaki—those ancient, godlike beings from Sumerian mythology. Could humanity’s true origins be otherworldly? We then explore the provocative theory that Jesus himself might have been an Anunnaki… and may just be returning.
From ancient astronauts to apocalyptic forecasts, we also tackle the chilling possibility of Yellowstone's eruption and whether it could usher in a new ice age. Finally, Mark drops revelations about three UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) retrievals in the UK—including one off the Blackpool coast that’s sure to raise eyebrows.
Truth? Conspiracy? Or something in between? You decide.
Tune in and prepare to question everything.
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Mark shares the astonishing story of a woman who claims to be a child of the Anunnaki—those ancient, godlike beings from Sumerian mythology. Could humanity’s true origins be otherworldly? We then explore the provocative theory that Jesus himself might have been an Anunnaki… and may just be returning.
From ancient astronauts to apocalyptic forecasts, we also tackle the chilling possibility of Yellowstone's eruption and whether it could usher in a new ice age. Finally, Mark drops revelations about three UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) retrievals in the UK—including one off the Blackpool coast that’s sure to raise eyebrows.
Truth? Conspiracy? Or something in between? You decide.
Tune in and prepare to question everything.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
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Speaker 4 (00:55):
Everything that happens now is happening for sure.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Now welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls and
everything in between. Two Across the Pond, the podcast that
dares to uncover the mysteries lurking beyond the veil of reality.
From government cover ups and secret experiments to hauntings, cryptids
(01:23):
and UFO encounters, we explore the unexplained and the conspiracies
that keep them hidden. And for today we are back
with Mark Christopher Lee doing more UAP stuff. So like really,
(01:47):
Lee his his wheelhouse. He is the across the Pond
U A p guy, of course, And.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I've done my job.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Let's get I'll take over. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Stein.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yes, you're right about the fancy into a well rehearsed
as always hit the nail on the head. Nicely done. Yeah,
welcome back, guys to another episode. You with me again,
you p Lee, and I'm back again with Mike Christopher Lee. Recently.
We had him on as recent as a few weeks ago,
and you might be thinking to yourself, well, that was
a quick turnaround. I alway said we wandered him back on.
(02:26):
But it's a very quick turnaround, and there's reason for that.
And I will urg you as well, because for the
back half of this episode there's going to be some
I suppose some juicy exclusives from the horse's mouth himself
on some crash retrieval information that's come to light. So
that looking for that. But first I wanted to tune
into some recent stuff that you've been doing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You gave some time recently to a very interesting lady
that had an interesting claim. I'm not going to introduce you.
I'll let you talk us through it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
She contacted me through tick talk as a lady called
Keishara based in America, claiming to be a member an
actual member of the Anonarchy. For those who don't know,
the Anonarchy were involved in the ancient Sumeria, supposedly extraterrestrials
came and helped the human civilization advance. Zechariah sitchin, what's
(03:26):
the proponent of this theory? There's lots of evidence in
ancient Suma, I really kind of unexplained stuff, and that
you know, civilization did start here. But how does humans
go from hunter gatherers to being a technological species? You know,
was our evolution fast tracked by an extraterrestrial It's a
(03:50):
distinct possibility. So I'm always open to discussing this subject
and this lady. She seemed pretty credible to me. She
said me a Google drive of evidence relating to her background.
She sent me a birth certificate. She was born on
a US naval hospital it's called Camp La June, which
(04:14):
was kind of notorious for experimenting and high radiation levels.
And so she claims that she is an anarchy hybrid
some sort. She gave me details of a lie detector
test that she took, which she passed, which added more
(04:36):
credence to what she was saying. I mean, at the
end of the day, I don't know, but I did
arrange the live interview with her, and I thought it
was very very interesting, and she made some wild claims
which sadly have not come true yet. She said that
Yellowstone was going to erupt in America, and there was
(04:59):
some ACTI seeing Yellowstone, So she may have just picked
that out of the hat a little bit, But I
mean Yellowstone, if it does erupt, it would bringing them
a new ice age. Last time it erupted six hundred
thousand years ago as a volcano, and it did herald
in ice age especially. It was an extinction level event.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, we've looked at it, and it's been on the
It's been around on TikTok quite recently a lot, hasn't
it with the supposed animals leaving in herds. Having looked
into it and having seen I spoke to people that
have lived close by. At least there's not been any
kind of crazy migratory patterns. Are that sort of been
debunked a little bit. People started jumping on the bandwagon,
(05:40):
hyping that as tends to happen on social media, But
again without looking into it yourself, you can't really see.
You don't look at that. But as you've alluded to already,
part of being a journalist is looking at that and
looking at the information and doing the job basically journalism.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, absolutely, platform just about the humanity, and yeah, I
didn't quite get that and I didn't want to go
(06:18):
down that avenue AUH.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Just on that one, just on that particular point, as
you've mentioned it, the origins of humanity, I've heard before,
and this is one of the things again, a lot
of this subject, unfortunately because of the lack of disclosure.
It does come down to a lot of hearing a
lot of different things and looking at a lot of
different things and then trying to connect the dots that
the best you can now when you hear things. I've
heard quite a few things over over the years with
(06:41):
the an anarchy, and one of the things is one
of the theories is Jesus was an an anarchy child
human hybrid. That that's sort of one of the theories
I've heard out there in the ether. It Again, I
don't lend any credibility to it. I just hear it,
and I've heard it before. And then when you mentioned
then that she's claiming to be a hybrid as well,
(07:02):
when she was talking about the origins of humanity, did
she mention anything in those realms she did?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I mean we did go into Jesus a little bit. Yeah,
I mean, similar to what you've just said. Jesus was
part of an anarchy apparently, but she doesn't have any
faith in Christianity, any of the world's religions. Basically, there
is a creator, but it's nothing to do with what
(07:30):
we think it is. I mean, if you want my
honest opinion on what she was saying, having listened to
it all, she was very good and it was entertaining,
but it seemed to me like she was picking up
different conspiracy theories and trying to tie them all together.
It's a one coherent thing. Yeah, yeah, and that's you know,
(07:52):
it's like and you know, at the time, I was
just kind of letting her speak, really because I think
when you let people speak, they can tell you more
than if you keep interrupting.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And ah, so bring any new information to the table?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No? None?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And how many hours did you give her? And may
I ask? Just an hour? Yeah, and you didn't get
I thought I was lead to believe that he was
doing another as well, a follow up interview. Did that
not come to pass in the end?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I mean sorry, just U we did one one live. Yeah,
that was because she was late, because she doesn't do
she doesn't do technology, being not of this world.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I mean, I laugh, now human, the rule don't apply
to me.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Minutes decided to invite it back and give her a
fair hearing. So we did a zoom which I recorded
on zoom and just put it out as it was.
I didn't edit it the whole full hour. Okay, so
she's at an hour and thirty seven minutes, and I
was thinking about again, but I probably won't. She made
some claims about Yellowstone, which is putting herself out there,
(09:13):
and you know it didn't happen. But you know, most
people thought it's brave. Yeah, but where do you go
from there?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's the point she must know. I mean, you'd like
to think. I mean, if it was me who was
telling them kind of making those kind of claims and
it didn't come true, I'd probably want to disappear under
a rock somewhere maybe.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But people, the people are playing in me. It's like, well,
you know, I didn't say it.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Like the Yellowstone thing comes back every like every so often.
You know, it's it's always in times of struggle. I guess,
you know, when.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
The world's.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
World's energies are you know, a little little, a little
more up there. Always you know, the largest scary of him, like, oh,
Yellowstone is gonna it's gonna blow, and it's always Yellowstones,
never you know, some other huge volcano which no one
There are definitely more out there than just Yellowstone.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, let's indulge are in the children for a moment
and and sort of play with this for a second.
If you think, if you look, if you listen to
some people out there, I mean, this crispled so is
a big one. You know, it made some big claims
over the years, you know, some pretty profound things as well. Actually,
I really enjoy the stuff he does. And you know,
I've got no reason to believe there's any way why
(10:37):
you would have lied about any of it. And one
of the things he says, and this ties in, is
that next year, as of March twenty twenty six, when
the regular star aligns with the Sphinx and glowing red,
humanity will receive a new knowledge. That's something that's been made,
a claim that's been made. Now again, there's a lot
(10:58):
of people out there, and he said the turn of Jesus,
that's also been something that's been mentioned there's a lot
of things happening around the world, and again there's still
being tied in seismic activity. There's there seems to be
a lot of volcanoes erupting. There seems to be a
lot of earthquakes, a lot of weird weather. This isn't
stuff that's made up. I know, the Yellowstone animals leaving
in herds is, but the other stuff's not. That's really happening.
(11:21):
There are some kind of weird things happening globally, and
people are end of days.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It feels quite apocalyptic to me. Are not just in
terms of what's happening in the natural world, but just
in terms of society, was politics. It's a slight desperation.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, it feels that way, isn't it. But that's why
I was going to ask you. I mean, how do
you feel about all of that stuff? I mean, do
you feel like we're coming to a head in any way?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That too?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I mean, I think there's more that you know. There
is a distinct higher possibility of World War three. I mean,
no one wants to talk about it, and I'm not
doing mongering, but there's a lot of evidence that the
British government's preparing a new defense bill, basically ready of
us for war with Russia. Basically it's now been doing
(12:16):
a kind of a long call on people's phones, you know,
as an air raid signal. Basically, there's all sorts of
the stuff they're preparing for, you know, and it's quite
scary really, but that adds to our psychology and how
we interact with the world. We've always looked to the stars,
to the heavens for guidance, for meaning, and that's what
(12:37):
we do. And we want the return of Christ or
Christ like figure, whatever your religion is. We want a savior,
you know. And I think a lot of UFO research,
especially the Americans, play into this feed off it and
they want to be the one that brings this new
dawn in. It's mad.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah, you know, like you said, there's so many I'll
go on, Stan, I'll let you let you jump in
about that.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think the the whole like returning of Christ thing.
Like I I may be a pagan, like I'm not
a Christian. I'm not not really into that, but I
I don't I don't believe like I am, you know,
more spiritual, mystic whatever. I don't believe it is a
(13:27):
physical being coming back. Christ consciousness definitely is coming back.
You know, people are elevating in consciousness. People are you know,
there's there is mass awakening going on. People are starting
to ask questions, are you know more and more every
(13:48):
day are not believing anything of what is going on?
Are actively protesting and uh, you know even you know,
like like people we have had here on the podcast,
like separating themselves from society. That is all done in
(14:09):
a in or through a higher consciousness, a higher state
of being which is well is Christ is you know,
the the Christ's energy is the Christos being. Yeah, but
it's not you know, like literally Jesus, you know, in
(14:31):
his physical form coming down from heaven and be like, yo,
I'm back, I'm here to safe today. I mean, it'd
be absolutely amazing if that happens.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I think you've put your finger on something. It does
feel like that happens, you know, like, I mean, wouldn't
it just But you're right, it doesn't feel like the
veil is lifting worldwide. This isn't a UK thing. I
mean you're obviously you're in Holland. Nother Netherlands should have
say so you can you can tell me if the
veil is lifting there. But I was like, this is
a global thing, not a local thing, and that goes
(15:05):
across the spectrum, doesn't it. Every topic you can almost name,
really that there is in contention, that there has been
secrecy around. Nobody believes a damn thing about it anymore,
and everybody once answers yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, you're right. I know we talked about it a
bit last time, but I'm convinced throughout my research that
the UFOs are not necessarily physical. There's some there's something
non material. I mean, Chris Bledsoe talks about it a
little bit. You know, there's something paranormal, spiritual, maybe from
another dimension, another reality. I supposed to be from another planet,
(15:44):
and you know, all my research is said to that
crazy assumption. I mean I had I don't know if
I told you, I had my own experience when I
was five or six, a bit like Chris bledso I
had this woman's face come out of my bedroom more glowing.
It was blue as well, and it was otherworldly. At
(16:05):
the time, I interpreted it as angelic, you know, having
a you know, Christian upbringing. But now look back at it,
I think, well, maybe it was something ultra terrestrial or
something like that. So that's why, that's why, that's why
interview people always say an anarchy or an angel for instance,
because I know there's something, there's more to life and
(16:27):
material reality for sure, and consciousness like science is a
big part to play.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So yeah, sorry, I'm diverting off the topic.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But no, no, we're staying there. I mean, you know,
when you think about it as well, you talk about
spectrums dimensions, I mean getting into the realms of quantum
quantumentally or quantum science. They are the quantum entitlement and
and other complications that are probably way above my pay
grade to be getting into. However, we you know, scientists,
(16:56):
the scientistic world, the scientific world is taking this very
seriously now. Whereas maybe twenty thirty years ago you'd have
been laughed out of the lab. People now are genuinely
taken serious that there are layers to this time space
thing and that maybe we as as a species just
cannot see in all the spectrums of light and there
are things happening. And they've already admitted as well that
(17:20):
we only know what really about what sixty percent of
what stuff is, you know, there's a forty percent out there.
We don't know what it is, you know, outside of
the dark and light matter, and we don't know what
it is, what this stuff is, but there is definitely
something there, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Quite in quantum physics, we don't really understand it. I mean,
there's a leading paranormal research at Evelyn Hollows, a t
bbcquel I'm Kenny. She's one of their researchers on that.
I've interviewed her and she's convinced that paranormal phenomena can
be explained by quantum physics. Quantum entanglement are maybe going
(17:56):
into other dimensions. I mean, I mean it could be
seeing a similar thing with UFOs and then terrestrials. I
mean John Keel was the first researcher to really talk
about this in the fifties in the sixties.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But the ultra terrestrials, but bird's been thrown around a
little bit recently, hasn't it ultraterrestrials just today? I'm sure
I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Crop ups really Okay, I mean, I'm a massive John
Keel fan. He was a journalist, proper journalist, old school journalist,
and a bit like Charles Forts, who gave the word fourteen,
and he's basically spent a lot of time going through
old newspaper clippings and then found there's so many you
know UFO or flying source of reports, and you would
go and visit where they were interview the people had
(18:42):
these experiences, and he just wrote books and books about it.
But he noticed there was always something odd about them,
of the worldly and just the way the occupants of
the craft interacted. It was like there weren't real beings
and like they would change to fit, you know, the
culture at the time. So, you know, going back through
(19:05):
history history, you know, we seed angels, we see demons, technicology,
technological age, we see spaceships, and extraterrestrials. But he pretty
sure they were all the same energy. And they call
them ultraterrestrials. They're actually from another dimension. He actually interacted
(19:26):
with them, had phone calls messages from these altraterrestrials from
other dimensions. It's well weird and a lot of it's
documented in the film The Mothman Prophecies, which came out
in the nineties. I think it was Richard gear but
it's based on his based on his work that he did,
so yeah, it's and it's the theory where I'm going
(19:46):
to Now, Well.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know, there's a lot of people there are there
are a contingent of people out there should have said
that that believe that this will never come to light
as long as a religion as around and think the
Catholic Church a lot. There are a lot of people
that say that there are secrets to this held within
the Vatican and the Church and religions are the ones
(20:09):
suppressing this information due to the very nature of the
fact that it would throw everything into question.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh yeah, no, I absolutely agree. And I've been researching
this quite a lot, and I've actually been through a
friend of mine, I've got access to the Vatican Archives.
So I want to go there and have a look
in with specific reference to UFO, strange lights or and
things like that, which have been so many documented science
(20:36):
in the Catholic Faith. I mean, it's got a look
at Fatima in Portugal, what those peasant children saw, especially
sort of lights in the sky. They say this all
the Virgin Mary, but they didn't really if you look
at the accounts, they interpreted that as the Virgin Mary
because there were Catholics, and that's what the priests told them.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
They are given three secrets, weren't they, and one of
which were so.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, and we still haven't got the true secret. And
there's a research a friend of mine called Rob Howells
who has written a book about this, and he's researched
it quite a lot. Yeah, the true third secret of
Fatima hasn't been revealed. It's still under lock and key
because it's too like you said, too wild. But I'm
sure there's a lot of documents in the archives that
(21:23):
proved the origins of Christianity and not what we think
they are. Maybe the origins of Christ which we've alluded to.
H you know, probably didn't you know, he probably was married,
had children, things like that. But you know, was he
something else he did have? You know, if you take
the New Testament of face value, you know he had
(21:45):
some sort of magic powers, gifts, whatever you want to
call them. What's that technology? We don't know. At the
end of the day.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
What I will say right now actually just to just
to make the audience awear that this is how it goes.
What's happened right now in the last twenty minutes, half
an hour, this is how this topic goes, or how
it should go. You can see how that we haven't
stayed on one thing. We've bounced from here to there
to there to there to there. I hope that you're
following alone. And this is the fun of this, right,
(22:16):
because you connect the dots and if you tie things together,
things that usually may be on your own you would
have put together. Now that through the you know, the
medium of having this conversation, you can start to put
things together in painting picture and you can see how
things are linked. I hope you are, like I said,
following and you can see as well what we can
see and how things It's curious how they are intermingling
(22:36):
and link in with one another. These stories. Please continue, Sorry, Mark,
I just wanted to, you know, make the audience aware of.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
No, you're right. I mean, it's m kind of bouncing
off each other here, which is great. I mean, the
one thing I will say about all this, after all
my researching into UFOs and paranormal I don't have the answers.
And then anyone who tells you that they have the
answers what they are is lying. We don't, you know,
it's it's still a quest we're pursuing.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
But you know it is often fruitless. However, it does
feel like, yeah, he does feel like we're wading through treacle,
but at least we're going forward slightly. It does feel
like we are progressing slightly inch by inch, but.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
We have to be wearing of full storms. Like we
said about earlier, there's always that you know, there's a
date over there, and that's going to be the wh
we get disclosure and all.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
We had Gary Heseltine on yesterday and one of the
things we spoke about was the disinformation that was out
there because obviously we went really deep into the Rendellsop stuff,
but that it should be going live this evening actually
that episode, but we went really deep in Based on
his new book, he went back and revisited everything and
went thorough and that's what he came on to speak about,
and he went he concluded that there was seventeen different
(23:53):
occasions on it on that particular event, not the two
that were reported initially. Absolutely, But one of the things
he mentioned was during the in the you know, the
three or four years after the event, the US had
their OsO or Osi offices in which included Richard Doughty
and various other Obviously people who have worked within that field,
(24:17):
who were the ones who were closing things down? And
they obviously Garrett and I made the link. He didn't
actually say it, but I made the link and he
didn't disagree. But there's a reason why Colonel Holt and
various other people they went under lock and key and
they just stopped talking about it and the stories didn't
make sense and everything kind of went away weirdly. And
then there's people like Richard Doughty operating in the background.
(24:40):
There's very real evidence for that that play that you know,
they are not evidence, but there's a cause for concern
on you know that these people, they're out there spinning
bullshit and they have done for years that Richard does
and the nick popes out there in the world just
they're the ones picking the information, picking and choosing which
information gets out there, which circul So will we ever
(25:01):
get to the truth? Who knows who added disinformation artists?
I don't know, but they're out there and they've been
proven to be absolutely Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And this comes from the love of the number seventeen
as well. Well, Like that that's coming up quite a lot.
Like also during the you know, like the whole stuff
that happened five years ago. You know, it's always seventeen
and all of that. You know, the Americans, of course,
they're being very obsessed with seventeen seventy six, and funny enough,
(25:34):
like seventeen. You know, the seventeenth letter of the alphabet
is Q, which is the highest military clearance there is,
you know, and of course you know it's speaking of
the thing five years ago, you know, que quing on
disclosure whatever. So it's it's always it's like disclosure just
(25:58):
Q as in like a letter or clearance in seventeen.
It's always like those three seem to go really well together.
So like now every time when at least you know,
me personally, when I see that the you know, as
it gets all you know, seventeen this, I'm like, is
(26:19):
it though, or like are you just putting it in there?
You know, like oh, you know thirty three have perished
or you know, like three twenty two, And it's like
you do seem to love your numbers, as do I.
By the way, that's why you know, I know all
about them. But it's yeah, sorry, I just had to
get that getting get that in there, you know, like
(26:41):
seventeen Q military clearance.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You've been struggling with that one all day.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, no, no, it's just I I you know, I
do like numerology and I'm very fascinated by Dumatria as well.
Never really understood it, so like that don't come up
from me with Ja Matri. I like, I don't know,
but numerology I.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Do get you.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
So coming back to the issue there, the point that
we're being made was there are this information artists out
there and whatever the theories are, and we have connected
a lot of dots in just the time that we've
been on here. We may never know which is a
sad thing, which merely too it being a catastrophic, catastrophic disclosure,
which is what we discussed last time, which might be
(27:28):
just what happens. And now if Chris Bledsoe and what
you say and what other people say is going to happen,
it sounds like that's where it's going to be. It's
not going to be via a man in a suit.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean, but you know what could happen at
the moment, you know, we've got Donald Trump has bestly
cornered himself with the whole Epstein thing. The only way
out for him to go now is all God's blazing.
It's it's look for the cornered.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Do you think this could be as hell Mary? The
UFO thing and the ultimately.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It could be catastrophic disclosed via President Trump.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Can you imagine the ego?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, but he would, but you know, he loves creating
chaos and being the center of attention, so you can
just see it.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'd like it if he did. I know, I know
it cause absolute carnage, but I suppose there'd be a
small contingent of the world. I was it would be
sat there chicly chuckling to ourselves. I think as the
world burned around that, all this that we've been fighting
for for years, and then there it is in one
foul swoop.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And just because he's a bit petulent, but yeah, but
you know, whether he knows the full truth anyways, it's
still es isn't that.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah. I've seen his interviews on Joe Rogan, and he
didn't seem to be overly interested in it full stop.
Not the fact they didn't know anything. I mean, who
knows what he knows, but he didn't seem too interested.
Now maybe that is because he genuinely doesn't know anything.
I can't imagine, I mean maybe, I mean, it's possible
because nobody wanted him in the office, did He didn't
have a contingent of people around him in his first
(28:58):
term that liked him. When know that he said that
himself just as well, so maybe he would maybe wouldn't
be told. But bet I think he's been told this time.
I think he's made a point of knowing this time round,
So I think he knows now a hell of a
lot more than did in the last term. But whether
he releases it m I mean, could be interesting. But anyway,
(29:23):
forever to the juicy stuff that we could speculate on
that all night with Donald Trump and all the rest
of it, and how much fun we could have with that.
But let's get back down to the facts. Is we
don't know anything yet. But the reason why we wanted
Mark back on and is because some information has come
to like recently, we've seen a TikTok. Have you announcing
this this information? So make again, I'll give you the flow.
(29:45):
I won't, I won't steal your thunder Please tell us.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, it's it's very very interesting. This a senior intelligence
officer in the UK military. He's come forward. They are
anonymous At the moment, I'm hoping to get them on camera,
even if it's disguised. That's the next step. But basically
they told me giving me evidence that the UK's UFO
(30:12):
program is still active, but everyone thought it was shut
down or just kind of. I mean I put in
the information requests recently and there's like an Air secretary
out to something up in high wickhim that officially answers
anything UFO related, okay. But there's an active program I've
(30:33):
been told, and it's run it's not run by the
UK government. It's been farmed out American style to British Aerospace, okay.
And they've got two sites. One is Wharton w h
A R t O N in Lancashire, and they were
one somewhere in Surry, which I haven't been able to
establish yet, but they run by BAE okay. And it's
(30:56):
recently come forward and told me that there's the BAE
I've got thanks to Lockheed Martin, who've obviously been in
the news quite a lot recently. So there's an active
UFO program. They supposedly reverse trying to reverse engineer recovered
craft okay. And apparently he says we've got at least
(31:18):
three craft, maybe more, but three have been confirmed. A
one was from the Penturk incident in Wales, which Cas
Clark has talked about a lot, and she's gone all
the way to the King and can't get any further
Stefinitely something was a retrieved there. There's one in Scotland
(31:44):
of unknown origin and I forget where everyone is. Actually
my mind's gone blank. But it's three lp all in.
The other one is Blackpool, which is the one that
no one's ever heard of. And this is like off
off the coast of Blackpool in the North Sea. Ah,
and this is like early seventies, this one Irish Irish. Yeah,
(32:08):
I keep saying, sorry, I've been told on that though
it's got something from up north and I'm used to
the North Sea, the East.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Coast, let that go usually, but because of the information
is so serious, I wanted anybody to be watching him
to know that. You know, it's the difference between the
North and the Irish.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Cy So, yeah, it's the Irish, just off the coast
of Blackpool in the northwest of England. Ah. That craft,
so I've been told, is originally taken to RF. Mckennaish
pronounces in Scotland. Ah. But then it's now housed b
(32:45):
A in Wharton in Lancashire. AH. So but this program
has got links to Locke Martin in America. The intelligence
officer said, what if you do, don't back around him
much because they will. You know, it's not messing around,
and I don't want to mess around. So and he's
(33:08):
also the interesting thing is it said, you know, we
have an active UFO crash and retrieval program, which means
that if something crashes anywhere in the UK that this
team will be there within twenty minutes. I don't know
how that's physical, physically possible.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Just on that, can I ask when you say his team,
does he mean that there's there's a team deployed by
the found out are the b A A you know,
much like the Jake Barber working for the basically yeah,
contractor would basically retrieval as is the pattern in America
seems to be.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, that's that's that's what it's alleging, which is like,
you know, I never knew this or heard of this
until he's told me this. It was like, so the
next step for us is to yeah, proper some questions
(34:05):
he's at them in touch with other witnesses that want
to come forward, so it could all snow, ye, which
I'm hoping. So yeah, I mean that's as much as
I know at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It is.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Let's put some credibility on it for them. If we
just walk through everything that you just said. There things
that we've we're looking at, and this is all about
connecting the dots. Like we've mentioned multiple times now, So
straight back to the beginning, we're talking crush retrievals. This
is a word that's come up recently, quite recently since
the turn of the year, especially so since Jake Barbie
come forward. For anybody who doesn't know I hasn't seen
(34:43):
earlier shows. He's in charge of the Skywatcher team who
are now trying to bring disclosure of the scientific way.
But he was previously a private contractor ex Special Forces
helicopter who worked for a private aerospace company in the USA,
who's job was it It was specifically to fly the
helicopter out retrieved down craft whatever they may be, ours, up, aboves, whatever,
(35:10):
and take them to a location. That was his job.
That was his role. He's a whistleblower. He's come out
and he said that. So there we go straight away
seeing the similarities there. They've got a crasswal Tree with
Treem and they've got a CRASHWRO Tree w Tream team
that is operated by ex military personnel for an aerospace
company on behalf of the intelligence or that whoever whichever
(35:31):
three letter agencies set them out on task. This is
a partner we're seeing before and it's a patterned now
we're seeing again. And like you've mentioned already, we've seen
the names Lockheed, Boeing. We know that they've been mentioned
many times and Raytheon as well. Yeah, and the Pentrick
indocent incident, we know that's very real. Kaz has spoke
(35:53):
a lot about that. Maybe what we're seeing now. You know,
Jake Barber said this when he took the interview back
in I think it was fairbus with Cultard that as
a result of what he's done and what he's doing,
more people will come forward, or more people will come
forward that are working within this sector. Now, this chap
that you're speaking to sounds obviously his active service still,
(36:14):
so he's got to be very careful in what he does,
but it sounds maybe he was buried on by Jake
Barber's efforts and what is actually happening. Maybe this is
a conjoined effort. People are genuinely now starting to care
and come forward.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, I mean my contact has concerns that it's not
the program's not run by the British military. I guess
it's run by this private company. That's I mean, that
would be my concern as well.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Really, but to be honest with you, I think that's
probably a conclusion we could have got to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Really.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, I think we could understand at this point is
way bigger than local governments.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a little bit apprehensive, to be honest,
I can imagine digging around. Yeah, but you know, I'm
a journalist. I don't want to uncover the truth.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yeah, I think I think, I mean, it's one of them, isn't.
It's it's a tough place to be where you are now,
because you're right, you flirting with a line that many
people have crossed before, and like you say, there's some
strange entities out there that seem to be playing in
this arena. So I would obviously say be careful. Goes
without saying so obviously make sure that you're insured, You've
(37:30):
got insurance, you know, if you know what I mean,
anything you do get make copies. Oh got it? Anyway,
I don't want to end on the dark now or
a sinister no. But when are you planning? When are
you planning the next step the interview?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yes, soon, soon, next few weeks. I'm hoping.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well without saying, we'll get you back on after that
if that's okay.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Absolutely, absolutely, because you know I don't want to just
sit on this. You know, if someone comes forward well
changing news evidence, I don't want to sit on it
and like you know, wait for my next movie and
make loads of money out of it. That's not the plan.
You know, maybe it should be my plan, but.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, utilize that plan and utilize it well, isn't it.
I don't want to poke you too much on it.
But obviously we know that the chap's active and he's
still working within the section now with this within the sector.
But he said he's shown you evidence. What is there
any more you could say on that? No, keep me
(38:43):
in the dark for that one, fair enough. You know
you don't ask, you don't get I've got to ask.
Going my job, the difficult situation. I don't want to
reveal I don't want to jeopardized national security. You know,
(39:04):
I used to be a civil servant for twenty odd
years and I signed this official secret sect. Nothing to
do with military, I have to say, but I am
you know, I'm obviously wary talking about this stuff. I guess, yeah,
for sure. And you know it's something I can back
up on that our military myself. I've been in the
row signals for years, so I understand completely. There is
(39:26):
a need to know absolutely, and the public do need
to know what is the information, the right information at
the right time. I believe, as we spoke about in
the last episode, there are things that can remain secret,
but there are other things that shouldn't. And knowing that
we're not alone in the universe is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Sure absolutely. I mean, just going back to UFOs in
this country, it's like I've been putting in freedom of
information requests, especially with regard to the drone sit questions,
you know, January February put Lake and Heath and things
like that. There's a lot of drone activity, but when
(40:06):
it got so far and you know, getting pushed back
on the grounds of national security, so you've got those questions.
There is that the real reason, if it is, I
should push back because if it is something of national
I don't want to you know. Yeah, no, for sure,
it's an ethical thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Definitely? Did you see the thing that recently there's been
reports of UFO was over our FB Basically this isn't
the last week, I believe in the last seven eight days,
I haven't it's been reports of UFOs and jets flying
off over whales. There's been that. I've heard many a
story about that, people talking about that. I didn't know
(40:47):
whether you'd heard anything about it or not.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I haven't known.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Sounds like I need to know about that.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah, that was something I saying. It was interesting. Somebody
asked me about it before, actually, which triggered me to
have a little look into it. But I ran out
of time. But maybe it's something worth looking to again.
But Mark, thank you so much for joining us, Thanks
for coming on and shedding some light on what the
lovely about the annarchy. I know it was a busy day,
and and again thank you for carving out some time
to come on and jump on with us, especially sharing
(41:13):
that information about the credit again, that is incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Just out of interest what was Gary hezel Time's view
on what happened at Randerson man made or our craft
or something else he.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Believes and it, yeah, it doesn't. He believes it's it's
definitely not sure. There was just too many There was
just too much. There's too much, you know, there's too
many anomalies and variant stories and not the right people
saying the right information. Again, you know the book he
(41:50):
brought out, non Human, it goes into everything. Obviously, the
reason why he got to it, I don't know if
you know the story of why he's done the book
in twenty seventeen, you're like that one seventeen against Dan.
They were going to make a documentary on the Rendelshim
case and they were looking for somebody to be the
lead investigator on it. Obviously, Gary's been on documentaries before
as an investigator, but never been asked to be the lead.
(42:11):
So when he was asked to be the lead investigrator
on that, he's obviously being a detective and former military
policeman himself, it kind of took him back a bit,
and they took the job on and thinking right, well,
if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do
it right. I'm going to do it the way a
detective should do it and leave no stone unturned, in
which he did, and that entire procedure has been put
(42:32):
in his book. It's called non Human. It concluded it
for me yesterday, you know, in summarized, but by the
end of the book you can look into the details
of it. But it was seventeen different occasions, and it
started earlier than when was first said, and it finished
later as well. And there were other things as well.
There was Larry Warren, was there the interview that Gary
(42:56):
got with him that sort of changed everything, and again
that the bus Stinza as well. There's two There was
Jim Peniston wasn't there, And there was John Burrows and
then Colonel Holt. And those are the three that I
just mentioned there that I think, and this is me
making the connection. They were got to told to ship basically,
(43:17):
don't say anything else. He said too much. And years
later Gary has managed to glean information from Bustin's returning
to the Larry Warren whistleblower and what he had to
say and all of that side of the story. So
that's opened up all of those different avenues, which is
obviously what's led him to where he is. I haven't
read the book, but I will read the book because
(43:38):
it really lit a fire under my back side yesterday
talking to him about it, and it really interested me
because what I thought I knew about that was sort
of thrown up in the air having spoken to him,
you know what I mean. I'm going to look into that.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Because we went there and do our own investigation now
because we were interested in people who have had sighting
since then. I've been to Rendersham and had experiences since then,
and there's so many we've ben't got a UFO shop
in two thousand and one. I think it is by
an ex police officer, John Hanson. Ah, that's in the film,
(44:19):
and we went there. We did a CE five. I'm
a bit skeptical whole manifesting UFOs, but we did that
and something well weird happened. It's all on camera. It's
all on film. That's unexplained.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
So it's like it's on my to do list is
to go and have a sleepover in Rendals from Forest.
I won't be going on my own, but it's something
I fancy doing. Any takers out there, any interested parties,
feel free, but I'm not going on my own. I tried,
and yeah it's something I'm interested in doing. But there's
(44:51):
another you know, there's a lot of these. I'd like
to go and spend a couple of nights out under
the stars just having a look at some of these
interesting places where people have seen things, just just for
my own interest. I think, just me on curiosity. But
I think we know we'll end it there. Mark, thank
you so much for jumping on. As you know, as
I had said before, I can't wait to get you
back on after what that intelligence chap says regards question.
(45:16):
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Speaker 1 (02:01):
I've done my job.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Let's get I'll take over. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Stein.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yes, you're right about the fancy into a well rehearsed
as always hit the nail on the head. Nicely done. Yeah,
welcome back, guys to another episode. You with me again,
you p Lee, and I'm back again with Mike Christopher Lee. Recently.
We had him on as recent as a few weeks ago,
and you might be thinking to yourself, well, that was
a quick turnaround. I alway said we wandered him back on.
(02:26):
But it's a very quick turnaround, and there's reason for that.
And I will urg you as well, because for the
back half of this episode there's going to be some
I suppose some juicy exclusives from the horse's mouth himself
on some crash retrieval information that's come to light. So
that looking for that. But first I wanted to tune
into some recent stuff that you've been doing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You gave some time recently to a very interesting lady
that had an interesting claim. I'm not going to introduce you.
I'll let you talk us through it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
She contacted me through tick talk as a lady called
Keishara based in America, claiming to be a member an
actual member of the Anonarchy. For those who don't know,
the Anonarchy were involved in the ancient Sumeria, supposedly extraterrestrials
came and helped the human civilization advance. Zechariah sitchin, what's
(03:26):
the proponent of this theory? There's lots of evidence in
ancient Suma, I really kind of unexplained stuff, and that
you know, civilization did start here. But how does humans
go from hunter gatherers to being a technological species? You know,
was our evolution fast tracked by an extraterrestrial It's a
(03:50):
distinct possibility. So I'm always open to discussing this subject
and this lady. She seemed pretty credible to me. She
said me a Google drive of evidence relating to her background.
She sent me a birth certificate. She was born on
a US naval hospital it's called Camp La June, which
(04:14):
was kind of notorious for experimenting and high radiation levels.
And so she claims that she is an anarchy hybrid
some sort. She gave me details of a lie detector
test that she took, which she passed, which added more
(04:36):
credence to what she was saying. I mean, at the
end of the day, I don't know, but I did
arrange the live interview with her, and I thought it
was very very interesting, and she made some wild claims
which sadly have not come true yet. She said that
Yellowstone was going to erupt in America, and there was
(04:59):
some ACTI seeing Yellowstone, So she may have just picked
that out of the hat a little bit, But I
mean Yellowstone, if it does erupt, it would bringing them
a new ice age. Last time it erupted six hundred
thousand years ago as a volcano, and it did herald
in ice age especially. It was an extinction level event.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, we've looked at it, and it's been on the
It's been around on TikTok quite recently a lot, hasn't
it with the supposed animals leaving in herds. Having looked
into it and having seen I spoke to people that
have lived close by. At least there's not been any
kind of crazy migratory patterns. Are that sort of been
debunked a little bit. People started jumping on the bandwagon,
(05:40):
hyping that as tends to happen on social media, But
again without looking into it yourself, you can't really see.
You don't look at that. But as you've alluded to already,
part of being a journalist is looking at that and
looking at the information and doing the job basically journalism.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, absolutely, platform just about the humanity, and yeah, I
didn't quite get that and I didn't want to go
(06:18):
down that avenue AUH.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Just on that one, just on that particular point, as
you've mentioned it, the origins of humanity, I've heard before,
and this is one of the things again, a lot
of this subject, unfortunately because of the lack of disclosure.
It does come down to a lot of hearing a
lot of different things and looking at a lot of
different things and then trying to connect the dots that
the best you can now when you hear things. I've
heard quite a few things over over the years with
(06:41):
the an anarchy, and one of the things is one
of the theories is Jesus was an an anarchy child
human hybrid. That that's sort of one of the theories
I've heard out there in the ether. It Again, I
don't lend any credibility to it. I just hear it,
and I've heard it before. And then when you mentioned
then that she's claiming to be a hybrid as well,
(07:02):
when she was talking about the origins of humanity, did
she mention anything in those realms she did?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I mean we did go into Jesus a little bit. Yeah,
I mean, similar to what you've just said. Jesus was
part of an anarchy apparently, but she doesn't have any
faith in Christianity, any of the world's religions. Basically, there
is a creator, but it's nothing to do with what
(07:30):
we think it is. I mean, if you want my
honest opinion on what she was saying, having listened to
it all, she was very good and it was entertaining,
but it seemed to me like she was picking up
different conspiracy theories and trying to tie them all together.
It's a one coherent thing. Yeah, yeah, and that's you know,
(07:52):
it's like and you know, at the time, I was
just kind of letting her speak, really because I think
when you let people speak, they can tell you more
than if you keep interrupting.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And ah, so bring any new information to the table?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No? None?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And how many hours did you give her? And may
I ask? Just an hour? Yeah, and you didn't get
I thought I was lead to believe that he was
doing another as well, a follow up interview. Did that
not come to pass in the end?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I mean sorry, just U we did one one live. Yeah,
that was because she was late, because she doesn't do
she doesn't do technology, being not of this world.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I mean, I laugh, now human, the rule don't apply
to me.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Minutes decided to invite it back and give her a
fair hearing. So we did a zoom which I recorded
on zoom and just put it out as it was.
I didn't edit it the whole full hour. Okay, so
she's at an hour and thirty seven minutes, and I
was thinking about again, but I probably won't. She made
some claims about Yellowstone, which is putting herself out there,
(09:13):
and you know it didn't happen. But you know, most
people thought it's brave. Yeah, but where do you go
from there?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's the point she must know. I mean, you'd like
to think. I mean, if it was me who was
telling them kind of making those kind of claims and
it didn't come true, I'd probably want to disappear under
a rock somewhere maybe.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But people, the people are playing in me. It's like, well,
you know, I didn't say it.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Like the Yellowstone thing comes back every like every so often.
You know, it's it's always in times of struggle. I guess,
you know, when.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
The world's.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
World's energies are you know, a little little, a little
more up there. Always you know, the largest scary of him, like, oh,
Yellowstone is gonna it's gonna blow, and it's always Yellowstones,
never you know, some other huge volcano which no one
There are definitely more out there than just Yellowstone.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, let's indulge are in the children for a moment
and and sort of play with this for a second.
If you think, if you look, if you listen to
some people out there, I mean, this crispled so is
a big one. You know, it made some big claims
over the years, you know, some pretty profound things as well. Actually,
I really enjoy the stuff he does. And you know,
I've got no reason to believe there's any way why
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you would have lied about any of it. And one
of the things he says, and this ties in, is
that next year, as of March twenty twenty six, when
the regular star aligns with the Sphinx and glowing red,
humanity will receive a new knowledge. That's something that's been made,
a claim that's been made. Now again, there's a lot
(10:58):
of people out there, and he said the turn of Jesus,
that's also been something that's been mentioned there's a lot
of things happening around the world, and again there's still
being tied in seismic activity. There's there seems to be
a lot of volcanoes erupting. There seems to be a
lot of earthquakes, a lot of weird weather. This isn't
stuff that's made up. I know, the Yellowstone animals leaving
in herds is, but the other stuff's not. That's really happening.
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There are some kind of weird things happening globally, and
people are end of days.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It feels quite apocalyptic to me. Are not just in
terms of what's happening in the natural world, but just
in terms of society, was politics. It's a slight desperation.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, it feels that way, isn't it. But that's why
I was going to ask you. I mean, how do
you feel about all of that stuff? I mean, do
you feel like we're coming to a head in any way?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That too?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I mean, I think there's more that you know. There
is a distinct higher possibility of World War three. I mean,
no one wants to talk about it, and I'm not
doing mongering, but there's a lot of evidence that the
British government's preparing a new defense bill, basically ready of
us for war with Russia. Basically it's now been doing
(12:16):
a kind of a long call on people's phones, you know,
as an air raid signal. Basically, there's all sorts of
the stuff they're preparing for, you know, and it's quite
scary really, but that adds to our psychology and how
we interact with the world. We've always looked to the stars,
to the heavens for guidance, for meaning, and that's what
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we do. And we want the return of Christ or
Christ like figure, whatever your religion is. We want a savior,
you know. And I think a lot of UFO research,
especially the Americans, play into this feed off it and
they want to be the one that brings this new
dawn in. It's mad.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah, you know, like you said, there's so many I'll
go on, Stan, I'll let you let you jump in
about that.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think the the whole like returning of Christ thing.
Like I I may be a pagan, like I'm not
a Christian. I'm not not really into that, but I
I don't I don't believe like I am, you know,
more spiritual, mystic whatever. I don't believe it is a
(13:27):
physical being coming back. Christ consciousness definitely is coming back.
You know, people are elevating in consciousness. People are you know,
there's there is mass awakening going on. People are starting
to ask questions, are you know more and more every
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day are not believing anything of what is going on?
Are actively protesting and uh, you know even you know,
like like people we have had here on the podcast,
like separating themselves from society. That is all done in
(14:09):
a in or through a higher consciousness, a higher state
of being which is well is Christ is you know,
the the Christ's energy is the Christos being. Yeah, but
it's not you know, like literally Jesus, you know, in
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his physical form coming down from heaven and be like, yo,
I'm back, I'm here to safe today. I mean, it'd
be absolutely amazing if that happens.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I think you've put your finger on something. It does
feel like that happens, you know, like, I mean, wouldn't
it just But you're right, it doesn't feel like the
veil is lifting worldwide. This isn't a UK thing. I
mean you're obviously you're in Holland. Nother Netherlands should have
say so you can you can tell me if the
veil is lifting there. But I was like, this is
a global thing, not a local thing, and that goes
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across the spectrum, doesn't it. Every topic you can almost name,
really that there is in contention, that there has been
secrecy around. Nobody believes a damn thing about it anymore,
and everybody once answers yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, you're right. I know we talked about it a
bit last time, but I'm convinced throughout my research that
the UFOs are not necessarily physical. There's some there's something
non material. I mean, Chris Bledsoe talks about it a
little bit. You know, there's something paranormal, spiritual, maybe from
another dimension, another reality. I supposed to be from another planet,
(15:44):
and you know, all my research is said to that
crazy assumption. I mean I had I don't know if
I told you, I had my own experience when I
was five or six, a bit like Chris bledso I
had this woman's face come out of my bedroom more glowing.
It was blue as well, and it was otherworldly. At
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the time, I interpreted it as angelic, you know, having
a you know, Christian upbringing. But now look back at it,
I think, well, maybe it was something ultra terrestrial or
something like that. So that's why, that's why, that's why
interview people always say an anarchy or an angel for instance,
because I know there's something, there's more to life and
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material reality for sure, and consciousness like science is a
big part to play.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So yeah, sorry, I'm diverting off the topic.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But no, no, we're staying there. I mean, you know,
when you think about it as well, you talk about
spectrums dimensions, I mean getting into the realms of quantum
quantumentally or quantum science. They are the quantum entitlement and
and other complications that are probably way above my pay
grade to be getting into. However, we you know, scientists,
(16:56):
the scientistic world, the scientific world is taking this very
seriously now. Whereas maybe twenty thirty years ago you'd have
been laughed out of the lab. People now are genuinely
taken serious that there are layers to this time space
thing and that maybe we as as a species just
cannot see in all the spectrums of light and there
are things happening. And they've already admitted as well that
(17:20):
we only know what really about what sixty percent of
what stuff is, you know, there's a forty percent out there.
We don't know what it is, you know, outside of
the dark and light matter, and we don't know what
it is, what this stuff is, but there is definitely
something there, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Quite in quantum physics, we don't really understand it. I mean,
there's a leading paranormal research at Evelyn Hollows, a t
bbcquel I'm Kenny. She's one of their researchers on that.
I've interviewed her and she's convinced that paranormal phenomena can
be explained by quantum physics. Quantum entanglement are maybe going
(17:56):
into other dimensions. I mean, I mean it could be
seeing a similar thing with UFOs and then terrestrials. I
mean John Keel was the first researcher to really talk
about this in the fifties in the sixties.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But the ultra terrestrials, but bird's been thrown around a
little bit recently, hasn't it ultraterrestrials just today? I'm sure
I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Crop ups really Okay, I mean, I'm a massive John
Keel fan. He was a journalist, proper journalist, old school journalist,
and a bit like Charles Forts, who gave the word fourteen,
and he's basically spent a lot of time going through
old newspaper clippings and then found there's so many you
know UFO or flying source of reports, and you would
go and visit where they were interview the people had
(18:42):
these experiences, and he just wrote books and books about it.
But he noticed there was always something odd about them,
of the worldly and just the way the occupants of
the craft interacted. It was like there weren't real beings
and like they would change to fit, you know, the
culture at the time. So, you know, going back through
(19:05):
history history, you know, we seed angels, we see demons, technicology,
technological age, we see spaceships, and extraterrestrials. But he pretty
sure they were all the same energy. And they call
them ultraterrestrials. They're actually from another dimension. He actually interacted
(19:26):
with them, had phone calls messages from these altraterrestrials from
other dimensions. It's well weird and a lot of it's
documented in the film The Mothman Prophecies, which came out
in the nineties. I think it was Richard gear but
it's based on his based on his work that he did,
so yeah, it's and it's the theory where I'm going
(19:46):
to Now, Well.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know, there's a lot of people there are there
are a contingent of people out there should have said
that that believe that this will never come to light
as long as a religion as around and think the
Catholic Church a lot. There are a lot of people
that say that there are secrets to this held within
the Vatican and the Church and religions are the ones
(20:09):
suppressing this information due to the very nature of the
fact that it would throw everything into question.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh yeah, no, I absolutely agree. And I've been researching
this quite a lot, and I've actually been through a
friend of mine, I've got access to the Vatican Archives.
So I want to go there and have a look
in with specific reference to UFO, strange lights or and
things like that, which have been so many documented science
(20:36):
in the Catholic Faith. I mean, it's got a look
at Fatima in Portugal, what those peasant children saw, especially
sort of lights in the sky. They say this all
the Virgin Mary, but they didn't really if you look
at the accounts, they interpreted that as the Virgin Mary
because there were Catholics, and that's what the priests told them.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
They are given three secrets, weren't they, and one of
which were so.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, and we still haven't got the true secret. And
there's a research a friend of mine called Rob Howells
who has written a book about this, and he's researched
it quite a lot. Yeah, the true third secret of
Fatima hasn't been revealed. It's still under lock and key
because it's too like you said, too wild. But I'm
sure there's a lot of documents in the archives that
(21:23):
proved the origins of Christianity and not what we think
they are. Maybe the origins of Christ which we've alluded to.
H you know, probably didn't you know, he probably was married,
had children, things like that. But you know, was he
something else he did have? You know, if you take
the New Testament of face value, you know he had
(21:45):
some sort of magic powers, gifts, whatever you want to
call them. What's that technology? We don't know. At the
end of the day.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
What I will say right now actually just to just
to make the audience awear that this is how it goes.
What's happened right now in the last twenty minutes, half
an hour, this is how this topic goes, or how
it should go. You can see how that we haven't
stayed on one thing. We've bounced from here to there
to there to there to there. I hope that you're
following alone. And this is the fun of this, right,
(22:16):
because you connect the dots and if you tie things together,
things that usually may be on your own you would
have put together. Now that through the you know, the
medium of having this conversation, you can start to put
things together in painting picture and you can see how
things are linked. I hope you are, like I said,
following and you can see as well what we can
see and how things It's curious how they are intermingling
(22:36):
and link in with one another. These stories. Please continue, Sorry, Mark,
I just wanted to, you know, make the audience aware of.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
No, you're right. I mean, it's m kind of bouncing
off each other here, which is great. I mean, the
one thing I will say about all this, after all
my researching into UFOs and paranormal I don't have the answers.
And then anyone who tells you that they have the
answers what they are is lying. We don't, you know,
it's it's still a quest we're pursuing.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
But you know it is often fruitless. However, it does
feel like, yeah, he does feel like we're wading through treacle,
but at least we're going forward slightly. It does feel
like we are progressing slightly inch by inch, but.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
We have to be wearing of full storms. Like we
said about earlier, there's always that you know, there's a
date over there, and that's going to be the wh
we get disclosure and all.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
We had Gary Heseltine on yesterday and one of the
things we spoke about was the disinformation that was out
there because obviously we went really deep into the Rendellsop stuff,
but that it should be going live this evening actually
that episode, but we went really deep in Based on
his new book, he went back and revisited everything and
went thorough and that's what he came on to speak about,
and he went he concluded that there was seventeen different
(23:53):
occasions on it on that particular event, not the two
that were reported initially. Absolutely, But one of the things
he mentioned was during the in the you know, the
three or four years after the event, the US had
their OsO or Osi offices in which included Richard Doughty
and various other Obviously people who have worked within that field,
(24:17):
who were the ones who were closing things down? And
they obviously Garrett and I made the link. He didn't
actually say it, but I made the link and he
didn't disagree. But there's a reason why Colonel Holt and
various other people they went under lock and key and
they just stopped talking about it and the stories didn't
make sense and everything kind of went away weirdly. And
then there's people like Richard Doughty operating in the background.
(24:40):
There's very real evidence for that that play that you know,
they are not evidence, but there's a cause for concern
on you know that these people, they're out there spinning
bullshit and they have done for years that Richard does
and the nick popes out there in the world just
they're the ones picking the information, picking and choosing which
information gets out there, which circul So will we ever
(25:01):
get to the truth? Who knows who added disinformation artists?
I don't know, but they're out there and they've been
proven to be absolutely Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And this comes from the love of the number seventeen
as well. Well, Like that that's coming up quite a lot.
Like also during the you know, like the whole stuff
that happened five years ago. You know, it's always seventeen
and all of that. You know, the Americans, of course,
they're being very obsessed with seventeen seventy six, and funny enough,
(25:34):
like seventeen. You know, the seventeenth letter of the alphabet
is Q, which is the highest military clearance there is,
you know, and of course you know it's speaking of
the thing five years ago, you know, que quing on
disclosure whatever. So it's it's always it's like disclosure just
(25:58):
Q as in like a letter or clearance in seventeen.
It's always like those three seem to go really well together.
So like now every time when at least you know,
me personally, when I see that the you know, as
it gets all you know, seventeen this, I'm like, is
(26:19):
it though, or like are you just putting it in there?
You know, like oh, you know thirty three have perished
or you know, like three twenty two, And it's like
you do seem to love your numbers, as do I.
By the way, that's why you know, I know all
about them. But it's yeah, sorry, I just had to
get that getting get that in there, you know, like
(26:41):
seventeen Q military clearance.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You've been struggling with that one all day.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, no, no, it's just I I you know, I
do like numerology and I'm very fascinated by Dumatria as well.
Never really understood it, so like that don't come up
from me with Ja Matri. I like, I don't know,
but numerology I.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Do get you.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
So coming back to the issue there, the point that
we're being made was there are this information artists out
there and whatever the theories are, and we have connected
a lot of dots in just the time that we've
been on here. We may never know which is a
sad thing, which merely too it being a catastrophic, catastrophic disclosure,
which is what we discussed last time, which might be
(27:28):
just what happens. And now if Chris Bledsoe and what
you say and what other people say is going to happen,
it sounds like that's where it's going to be. It's
not going to be via a man in a suit.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean, but you know what could happen at
the moment, you know, we've got Donald Trump has bestly
cornered himself with the whole Epstein thing. The only way
out for him to go now is all God's blazing.
It's it's look for the cornered.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Do you think this could be as hell Mary? The
UFO thing and the ultimately.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It could be catastrophic disclosed via President Trump.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Can you imagine the ego?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, but he would, but you know, he loves creating
chaos and being the center of attention, so you can
just see it.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'd like it if he did. I know, I know
it cause absolute carnage, but I suppose there'd be a
small contingent of the world. I was it would be
sat there chicly chuckling to ourselves. I think as the
world burned around that, all this that we've been fighting
for for years, and then there it is in one
foul swoop.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And just because he's a bit petulent, but yeah, but
you know, whether he knows the full truth anyways, it's
still es isn't that.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah. I've seen his interviews on Joe Rogan, and he
didn't seem to be overly interested in it full stop.
Not the fact they didn't know anything. I mean, who
knows what he knows, but he didn't seem too interested.
Now maybe that is because he genuinely doesn't know anything.
I can't imagine, I mean maybe, I mean, it's possible
because nobody wanted him in the office, did He didn't
have a contingent of people around him in his first
(28:58):
term that liked him. When know that he said that
himself just as well, so maybe he would maybe wouldn't
be told. But bet I think he's been told this time.
I think he's made a point of knowing this time round,
So I think he knows now a hell of a
lot more than did in the last term. But whether
he releases it m I mean, could be interesting. But anyway,
(29:23):
forever to the juicy stuff that we could speculate on
that all night with Donald Trump and all the rest
of it, and how much fun we could have with that.
But let's get back down to the facts. Is we
don't know anything yet. But the reason why we wanted
Mark back on and is because some information has come
to like recently, we've seen a TikTok. Have you announcing
this this information? So make again, I'll give you the flow.
(29:45):
I won't, I won't steal your thunder Please tell us.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, it's it's very very interesting. This a senior intelligence
officer in the UK military. He's come forward. They are
anonymous At the moment, I'm hoping to get them on camera,
even if it's disguised. That's the next step. But basically
they told me giving me evidence that the UK's UFO
(30:12):
program is still active, but everyone thought it was shut
down or just kind of. I mean I put in
the information requests recently and there's like an Air secretary
out to something up in high wickhim that officially answers
anything UFO related, okay. But there's an active program I've
(30:33):
been told, and it's run it's not run by the
UK government. It's been farmed out American style to British Aerospace, okay.
And they've got two sites. One is Wharton w h
A R t O N in Lancashire, and they were
one somewhere in Surry, which I haven't been able to
establish yet, but they run by BAE okay. And it's
(30:56):
recently come forward and told me that there's the BAE
I've got thanks to Lockheed Martin, who've obviously been in
the news quite a lot recently. So there's an active
UFO program. They supposedly reverse trying to reverse engineer recovered
craft okay. And apparently he says we've got at least
(31:18):
three craft, maybe more, but three have been confirmed. A
one was from the Penturk incident in Wales, which Cas
Clark has talked about a lot, and she's gone all
the way to the King and can't get any further
Stefinitely something was a retrieved there. There's one in Scotland
(31:44):
of unknown origin and I forget where everyone is. Actually
my mind's gone blank. But it's three lp all in.
The other one is Blackpool, which is the one that
no one's ever heard of. And this is like off
off the coast of Blackpool in the North Sea. Ah,
and this is like early seventies, this one Irish Irish. Yeah,
(32:08):
I keep saying, sorry, I've been told on that though
it's got something from up north and I'm used to
the North Sea, the East.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Coast, let that go usually, but because of the information
is so serious, I wanted anybody to be watching him
to know that. You know, it's the difference between the
North and the Irish.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Cy So, yeah, it's the Irish, just off the coast
of Blackpool in the northwest of England. Ah. That craft,
so I've been told, is originally taken to RF. Mckennaish
pronounces in Scotland. Ah. But then it's now housed b
(32:45):
A in Wharton in Lancashire. AH. So but this program
has got links to Locke Martin in America. The intelligence
officer said, what if you do, don't back around him
much because they will. You know, it's not messing around,
and I don't want to mess around. So and he's
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also the interesting thing is it said, you know, we
have an active UFO crash and retrieval program, which means
that if something crashes anywhere in the UK that this
team will be there within twenty minutes. I don't know
how that's physical, physically possible.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Just on that, can I ask when you say his team,
does he mean that there's there's a team deployed by
the found out are the b A A you know,
much like the Jake Barber working for the basically yeah,
contractor would basically retrieval as is the pattern in America
seems to be.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, that's that's that's what it's alleging, which is like,
you know, I never knew this or heard of this
until he's told me this. It was like, so the
next step for us is to yeah, proper some questions
(34:05):
he's at them in touch with other witnesses that want
to come forward, so it could all snow, ye, which
I'm hoping. So yeah, I mean that's as much as
I know at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It is.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Let's put some credibility on it for them. If we
just walk through everything that you just said. There things
that we've we're looking at, and this is all about
connecting the dots. Like we've mentioned multiple times now, So
straight back to the beginning, we're talking crush retrievals. This
is a word that's come up recently, quite recently since
the turn of the year, especially so since Jake Barbie
come forward. For anybody who doesn't know I hasn't seen
(34:43):
earlier shows. He's in charge of the Skywatcher team who
are now trying to bring disclosure of the scientific way.
But he was previously a private contractor ex Special Forces
helicopter who worked for a private aerospace company in the USA,
who's job was it It was specifically to fly the
helicopter out retrieved down craft whatever they may be, ours, up, aboves, whatever,
(35:10):
and take them to a location. That was his job.
That was his role. He's a whistleblower. He's come out
and he said that. So there we go straight away
seeing the similarities there. They've got a crasswal Tree with
Treem and they've got a CRASHWRO Tree w Tream team
that is operated by ex military personnel for an aerospace
company on behalf of the intelligence or that whoever whichever
(35:31):
three letter agencies set them out on task. This is
a partner we're seeing before and it's a patterned now
we're seeing again. And like you've mentioned already, we've seen
the names Lockheed, Boeing. We know that they've been mentioned
many times and Raytheon as well. Yeah, and the Pentrick
indocent incident, we know that's very real. Kaz has spoke
(35:53):
a lot about that. Maybe what we're seeing now. You know,
Jake Barber said this when he took the interview back
in I think it was fairbus with Cultard that as
a result of what he's done and what he's doing,
more people will come forward, or more people will come
forward that are working within this sector. Now, this chap
that you're speaking to sounds obviously his active service still,
(36:14):
so he's got to be very careful in what he does,
but it sounds maybe he was buried on by Jake
Barber's efforts and what is actually happening. Maybe this is
a conjoined effort. People are genuinely now starting to care
and come forward.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, I mean my contact has concerns that it's not
the program's not run by the British military. I guess
it's run by this private company. That's I mean, that
would be my concern as well.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Really, but to be honest with you, I think that's
probably a conclusion we could have got to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Really.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, I think we could understand at this point is
way bigger than local governments.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a little bit apprehensive, to be honest,
I can imagine digging around. Yeah, but you know, I'm
a journalist. I don't want to uncover the truth.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yeah, I think I think, I mean, it's one of them, isn't.
It's it's a tough place to be where you are now,
because you're right, you flirting with a line that many
people have crossed before, and like you say, there's some
strange entities out there that seem to be playing in
this arena. So I would obviously say be careful. Goes
without saying so obviously make sure that you're insured, You've
(37:30):
got insurance, you know, if you know what I mean,
anything you do get make copies. Oh got it? Anyway,
I don't want to end on the dark now or
a sinister no. But when are you planning? When are
you planning the next step the interview?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yes, soon, soon, next few weeks. I'm hoping.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well without saying, we'll get you back on after that
if that's okay.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Absolutely, absolutely, because you know I don't want to just
sit on this. You know, if someone comes forward well
changing news evidence, I don't want to sit on it
and like you know, wait for my next movie and
make loads of money out of it. That's not the plan.
You know, maybe it should be my plan, but.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, utilize that plan and utilize it well, isn't it.
I don't want to poke you too much on it.
But obviously we know that the chap's active and he's
still working within the section now with this within the sector.
But he said he's shown you evidence. What is there
any more you could say on that? No, keep me
(38:43):
in the dark for that one, fair enough. You know
you don't ask, you don't get I've got to ask.
Going my job, the difficult situation. I don't want to
reveal I don't want to jeopardized national security. You know,
(39:04):
I used to be a civil servant for twenty odd
years and I signed this official secret sect. Nothing to
do with military, I have to say, but I am
you know, I'm obviously wary talking about this stuff. I guess, yeah,
for sure. And you know it's something I can back
up on that our military myself. I've been in the
row signals for years, so I understand completely. There is
(39:26):
a need to know absolutely, and the public do need
to know what is the information, the right information at
the right time. I believe, as we spoke about in
the last episode, there are things that can remain secret,
but there are other things that shouldn't. And knowing that
we're not alone in the universe is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Sure absolutely. I mean, just going back to UFOs in
this country, it's like I've been putting in freedom of
information requests, especially with regard to the drone sit questions,
you know, January February put Lake and Heath and things
like that. There's a lot of drone activity, but when
(40:06):
it got so far and you know, getting pushed back
on the grounds of national security, so you've got those questions.
There is that the real reason, if it is, I
should push back because if it is something of national
I don't want to you know. Yeah, no, for sure,
it's an ethical thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Definitely? Did you see the thing that recently there's been
reports of UFO was over our FB Basically this isn't
the last week, I believe in the last seven eight days,
I haven't it's been reports of UFOs and jets flying
off over whales. There's been that. I've heard many a
story about that, people talking about that. I didn't know
(40:47):
whether you'd heard anything about it or not.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I haven't known.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Sounds like I need to know about that.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah, that was something I saying. It was interesting. Somebody
asked me about it before, actually, which triggered me to
have a little look into it. But I ran out
of time. But maybe it's something worth looking to again.
But Mark, thank you so much for joining us, Thanks
for coming on and shedding some light on what the
lovely about the annarchy. I know it was a busy day,
and and again thank you for carving out some time
to come on and jump on with us, especially sharing
(41:13):
that information about the credit again, that is incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Just out of interest what was Gary hezel Time's view
on what happened at Randerson man made or our craft
or something else he.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Believes and it, yeah, it doesn't. He believes it's it's
definitely not sure. There was just too many There was
just too much. There's too much, you know, there's too
many anomalies and variant stories and not the right people
saying the right information. Again, you know the book he
(41:50):
brought out, non Human, it goes into everything. Obviously, the
reason why he got to it, I don't know if
you know the story of why he's done the book
in twenty seventeen, you're like that one seventeen against Dan.
They were going to make a documentary on the Rendelshim
case and they were looking for somebody to be the
lead investigator on it. Obviously, Gary's been on documentaries before
as an investigator, but never been asked to be the lead.
(42:11):
So when he was asked to be the lead investigrator
on that, he's obviously being a detective and former military
policeman himself, it kind of took him back a bit,
and they took the job on and thinking right, well,
if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do
it right. I'm going to do it the way a
detective should do it and leave no stone unturned, in
which he did, and that entire procedure has been put
(42:32):
in his book. It's called non Human. It concluded it
for me yesterday, you know, in summarized, but by the
end of the book you can look into the details
of it. But it was seventeen different occasions, and it
started earlier than when was first said, and it finished
later as well. And there were other things as well.
There was Larry Warren, was there the interview that Gary
(42:56):
got with him that sort of changed everything, and again
that the bus Stinza as well. There's two There was
Jim Peniston wasn't there, And there was John Burrows and
then Colonel Holt. And those are the three that I
just mentioned there that I think, and this is me
making the connection. They were got to told to ship basically,
(43:17):
don't say anything else. He said too much. And years
later Gary has managed to glean information from Bustin's returning
to the Larry Warren whistleblower and what he had to
say and all of that side of the story. So
that's opened up all of those different avenues, which is
obviously what's led him to where he is. I haven't
read the book, but I will read the book because
(43:38):
it really lit a fire under my back side yesterday
talking to him about it, and it really interested me
because what I thought I knew about that was sort
of thrown up in the air having spoken to him,
you know what I mean. I'm going to look into that.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Because we went there and do our own investigation now
because we were interested in people who have had sighting
since then. I've been to Rendersham and had experiences since then,
and there's so many we've ben't got a UFO shop
in two thousand and one. I think it is by
an ex police officer, John Hanson. Ah, that's in the film,
(44:19):
and we went there. We did a CE five. I'm
a bit skeptical whole manifesting UFOs, but we did that
and something well weird happened. It's all on camera. It's
all on film. That's unexplained.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
So it's like it's on my to do list is
to go and have a sleepover in Rendals from Forest.
I won't be going on my own, but it's something
I fancy doing. Any takers out there, any interested parties,
feel free, but I'm not going on my own. I tried,
and yeah it's something I'm interested in doing. But there's
(44:51):
another you know, there's a lot of these. I'd like
to go and spend a couple of nights out under
the stars just having a look at some of these
interesting places where people have seen things, just just for
my own interest. I think, just me on curiosity. But
I think we know we'll end it there. Mark, thank
you so much for jumping on. As you know, as
I had said before, I can't wait to get you
back on after what that intelligence chap says regards question.
(45:16):
That really is exciting. Yeah, thank you as ever. Guys,
thanks for tuning in, Thanks for watching. Please do remember
I like and subscribe, give us some nice feedback in
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Take care and also vote for across the on the
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us working so incredibly hard in the podcast amazing. You know,
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Lee said, you know, do like share, subscribe, find us
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out so so incredibly much. Yeah, that's it. Mark, Thank
(46:38):
you for coming on, Lee, Thank you for for you.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Know, having me on.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Dude, I mean, you got you gotta do it properly.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
You gotta do properly.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
That's that's what I'm for.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Well, okay, anyways, thank you all for watching, people all
for listening. We will see you all next time on
Across the Ponds by everyone here.
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