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June 26, 2025 82 mins

I sat down with John Henson, a fintech-savvy lawyer who formerly worked at LendingTree (both as an attorney and a general manager). He unpacks the regulatory chaos swirling around lead generation in 2025 — what’s changed, what’s still risky, and how fintech marketers can navigate it without getting burned.

In today's discussion:
  • The CFPB Rolled Back Rules: Credit card and personal loan lead gen just got a little more breathing room. John explains what’s safe and what’s not.
  • Mortgage Lead Gen Isn’t Dead: Despite RESPA, there are ways to play without federal headaches.
  • State Privacy Laws Are Tightening: You might be a “data broker” without knowing it — and that’s a compliance minefield.
  • Banks Fear AI: Rumor has is that some big banks are banning generative AI in lead gen. John weighs in on the reality.
  • Some Lead Gen Is Still Garbage: Learn how to spot sketchy providers before you get sued.

...and much more. 

Memorable Quotes “Everything is UDAP.”  “If you don’t understand how they’re generating the leads, you’re buying problems.” “Nobody ever got fired at a bank for saying no.” About John Henson

John Henson is a rare breed: a lawyer who understands marketing. He spent 6 years at LendingTree running lead gen and compliance, so he knows the real-world challenges fintechs face. Now, he helps companies stay out of trouble while growing smart. Follow him on LinkedIn for sharp insights.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction and Greetings (04:22) Understanding RESPA and Non-Steering Regulations (34:59) State Privacy Laws and Data Management (45:43) State Privacy Laws and AI Regulations (51:24) Starting a Solo Practice (54:48) The Role of LinkedIn in Business Growth (01:13:56) Challenges in Legal and Compliance Content (01:21:18) Conclusion and Contact Information
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