May 29, 2025 • 58 mins
In this episode we welcome our close friends and creative collaborators, Tabby and Noname. Together, we dive deep into candid conversations about sex, love, and kink. Additionally, we explore the origin of our unique friendship, talk about their experiences in content creation, and the exciting world of pegging. This episode is packed with insightful discussions on breaking stigmas, building authentic connections, and navigating the balance between personal intimacy and content creation. Don't miss this heartfelt and enlightening episode!
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Welcome, kinky ones and pleasure seekers.
We are the Aftercare podcast with your host, Skye.
And I'm Sunny, where we talk about and normalize the conversations around sex, love, kink, and everything in between.
And today we have a really exciting episode with two very special guests.
Tabby and Noname from the creative brand.
Tabby Noname with a mantra of porn should be fun.
(00:22):
They're on a mission to destroy shame and stigmas in the world of sex, love, and kink, one home movie at a time.
And we are lucky enough to call them our best friends and closest allies in the world of content creation and kink.
Welcome to the Aftercare podcast.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That was really good.
You? That was, I crush that.
(00:43):
I'm like, don't interrupt her and tell her how good she's doing.
She's, and I'm like, don't look her in the eye.
Now.
My praise kink is open.
Thank you.
That's the applause.
Welcome.
Thank you guys for coming down here and just joining us.
Yeah.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah, this is fun.
Literally, anytime.
The best.
So I thought we could start today's episode with just kind of talking about our origin story and how Tabby Noname and Sunny Sky Met.
(01:10):
Yeah.
If you wanna kind of start that off.
Well, we were going on a road trip to go visit family, and I had been stalking you guys for several months.
Ditto.
Yeah.
Just constantly scrolling through TikTok and Instagram, just like what'd they do today? Um, and I remember putting out like the little, I don't know, I think that's the little question thing, like basically, are you a creator and the west? Coastal area of the United States.
(01:42):
If you are, it'd be awesome to meet you.
I put that out as a general question with literally only you guys in mind, and you guys responded and I was like, fuck yeah.
I did it.
I tricked them.
Uh, well, um, very trekked.
I was, yes, I know.
(02:02):
I fell right into the trap.
Yeah.
I was super excited When, um, sky told me, she's like, yeah.
It's having a Nona or coming through Denver just to like see us.
Yeah.
It's not even on their way.
Like you guys kind of went out the way a little bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We have like substantially.
Perfect.
Thank you.
I love that.
It was great.
(02:23):
Yeah.
We had been also stalking you, um, in the world of like content creation, especially with social media and Instagram.
Yeah.
Like everybody's kind of on everybody's radar, especially because our brands like really align.
That's really like what it was.
'cause I'm actually very.
Like out of the know, in terms of like creators, I feel like I have you and other people come up to me like, do you know this person? Do you know this person? I'm like, nah, I don't know any of these people, but I knew you guys.
(02:53):
'cause we just have such similar styles.
Yeah, I guess.
And so, yeah.
What would you say your style is? What are these similar styles we're like? Well, because we dabble in such similar things like.
With our intimacy, we're all into pegging, but like a very different kind of pegging than you see in mainstream media.
(03:14):
Mm-hmm.
Um, and you guys are just so sweet and loving and goofy, which I appreciate so much.
I feel like it's really hard to find people who are just making funny tiktoks about sex.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So as soon as we found that I was like.
Follow.
It was funny, I think I actually found both of you on Reddit like almost a year before the Instagram like meetup actually happened.
(03:41):
And I think it was from a post from Liam gets it actually.
Oh, no way.
Yeah, and I like stumbled onto their profile and then yours, I even had like an.
OnlyFans tab on my computer open for like months.
Guys stalked you.
Yeah.
I was like, I was like these people because, you know, then I went into your Reddit, I was like, they do what we do and they do it like we do.
(04:02):
So it was really cool.
Like, yeah, it's, you know, we, we always like see each other for so long and it was really exciting to have like that first like in person meeting.
It's always funny to like, for sure.
In this world you can like see so much about other people and you know, feel like you know them so well without ever actually like having an in-person meetup.
So it's really cool for that to like finally come to fruition.
(04:24):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
It's really weird to like see the most intimate moments of strangers and it's like, oh hey, like.
I already know that we can get along.
Yeah.
'cause of what I've seen.
Yeah.
I've seen you have sex.
I've seen you, I've seen you naked, seen your butt hole.
So we're we're really in depth.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it's super fun.
I remember too, like when we were texting beforehand, because we're both such.
(04:48):
We're all like introverts.
Mm-hmm.
Very little bit of social awkward.
Yeah.
You're, you're just like, also if you wanna, like, anytime you wanna leave, like, whatever, you don't have to stay.
And I was like, cool, cool, cool.
If I just run outta the house, like you can also kick me out if I'm really obnoxious.
Just like, tell me to leave your home.
Uh, and I, I remember when, um, you first showed up, like, we have a doorbell camera, and I like, I was like looking, I was like.
(05:12):
They're here.
I was like, didn't, we didn't know what to do.
We pulled up to your driveway.
We're like, okay, do we just go and knock on the door? We, we text, do we call? Okay.
But it was 'cause we knew you guys had dogs.
And I was like, that's the only reason.
That is the only reason I was nervous.
Oh, okay.
Well, my only reason was like, I know they have dogs and I know dogs can get spooked by doorbells.
(05:34):
Yeah.
And then so I was like.
And we didn't wanna be creepy and just open the door because we've been watching Yeah, we've been watching you.
That when you told us that you'd been watching, I'm like, cool.
Okay.
I feel better actually.
Perfect.
No, I love you.
You guys were super brave.
You stayed with us the first time you met us.
You guys invited us into your home.
Yeah.
We all total weirdos.
Yeah.
We tend to do that.
(05:55):
We, we, we were very welcoming up front and again, we felt like we already knew you, you know, so it was, it was an easy thing to invite you into our home.
Yeah.
I'm glad you did it.
And then you wanted to be friends with us, and then we moved across the country.
We like trip with us.
We're like, stay in our house.
We're gonna follow you home.
Okay.
Like, what was it like six months after we met you? We moved out here.
(06:18):
Yeah.
I was, I remember when you guys mentioned it.
I was like, for real seed.
Sweet.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Yes.
We're not total creepers, we just were also ready for something new.
Yeah.
We had community.
Now you guys had been talking about it beforehand, like just somewhere on the west coast.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
For, for well over a year before that.
Yeah.
But But you were still the main reason.
(06:40):
No.
Shit.
I remember when you guys were saying, I was like, no pressure, no pressure.
Be cool.
Yes.
Where would you say our relationship is now? Like, what, do you wanna see it evolutionize? Or how have we evolved? Um, and you can even talk about like how you approach collabs and Yeah.
What your relationship kind of looks like to kind of build that up too.
(07:02):
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's interesting because, uh.
Before we met and everything, we obviously knew that we were all really similar in terms of how we create content.
Like what kind of content we do create.
We have similar styles of like communications with our partners and stuff.
And uh, I think it's really easy for people who watch both of our content to be like, oh, they're so similar.
(07:29):
They've met in real life now.
They're totally gonna make all the content.
Mm-hmm.
And it's funny because it's.
On like my end or our end, like it's like, yeah, I really want to do all those things, but it's not always that simple.
Right? You know? It's like we're still getting to know each other as friends, and we enjoy building up those relationships before we move into being intimate.
(07:54):
And, um, I think it's also like good to not put so much pressure on a friendship when it's new to immediately add in sex.
Well, and also to immediately add in working together too.
Yeah.
'cause it is work when we are filming, it's not just.
Sex.
Yeah.
Uh, so it's just, it's a lot of pressure on multiple different levels.
(08:16):
So for us it was really nice just like hanging out and being friends and our version of work was making tiktoks or just taking a couple photos or just hanging out with each other, like, yeah, I feel like that was really good to.
Build that base of our, like friendship and stuff.
(08:37):
So yeah.
Do we have something in common outside of Outside? Yeah.
Outside of it.
Yeah.
Outside of pegging.
What else do we do? The answer is yes.
Well, and like when we first went to Joshua Tree Yeah.
Uh, last May.
Um, and just making this silly, goofy tiktoks and taking the pictures and how easy it was and it just.
It went so seamlessly.
(08:57):
It just felt really good.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And there was no expectation or pressure for anything else.
Yeah.
And I was like, okay, yeah.
These are our people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love finding the community.
And pictures, as you guys know, is a really hard thing for me.
Yeah.
I didn't know that until recently.
I was like, girl, you've, you've taken pictures with me since the beginning.
Oh.
I feel so special because you're so safe.
(09:19):
Oh.
So thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah.
And, and when we did finally like, take that first step into like doing a soft swap with you guys.
Yeah.
Like, that was a really special space too.
Um, I'm gonna repeat something that you tell me to do all the time of slowing down and it's, it is a really good mantra to have at this point in our life.
(09:43):
When Sunny and I started, um, we kind of got mixed up with some of the wrong, I wouldn't even say the wrong people, but with just different people.
And it wasn't necessarily our community, but it.
It was just like a certain way of just immediately getting into something, doing a swap.
And that was our first swap too, was the first time it was on camera and we had just like really met these people in like real life and it was a really hard experience for me.
(10:06):
And the second one after that was also a little bit hard and I.
I was getting to the point that I was like, I don't know if this is for me.
Yeah.
Um, because I didn't have that connection, especially with like the guys that I was en enjoying or supposed to be enjoying.
Like I didn't have that safety and that connection and so it did feel like more of a performance.
(10:27):
Yeah.
And I'm at this point in my life that I can't perform and I wanna feel safe enough that I don't have to perform or if I do wanna perform, that I also feel safe enough and celebrated in that space too.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So thank you for also being a really good role model in the sense of slowing down.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, and I think that like.
Our experiences and meeting, you know, another couple that's similar, just like really reinforce like how much we all are demisexual.
(10:53):
Oh my God.
Like we, we need that connection outside of the bedroom, outside of work, outside of sex, whatever it is.
Like we truly do, like, have better experiences overall when we know someone, right? Mm-hmm.
You know, fully and wholly.
Yeah.
So yeah, that was like really reinforcing and meeting, you know, both of you and then also, um, Piper and Ben and some of the other people in our community is just like, yes, these, you know, these are the people that we would be friends with.
(11:22):
None of this existed no matter what, if content didn't exist, if you know our work didn't exist, we would still be friends with these people.
You'd still be friends with me.
Fuck yeah.
Try and get rid of us.
What are we doing? Fucking dare you.
She's only a little scary bet.
Um, yeah, the, the whole like demisexual thing is so interesting because it's.
(11:48):
I think as creators, everybody's just like, you guys can do everything all the time.
And it's like, no, but do you see how much better it is when there's emotion and there's like connection and you watch these people grow over time? You know? So it's like, yeah, it really is a journey.
It's a journey.
It's not about the destination.
Yeah.
And when you can watch the progress that people take together, it's like, shit.
(12:12):
That's cool.
For sure.
And I mean, you see it in like.
Relationships like singular.
So why wouldn't you wanna see it? And.
Like multiple relationships.
We have a really special community.
Yeah.
We do like everything that you see, like we are truly connected to each other, care about each other.
We've gone outta the country with each other.
(12:33):
Yeah.
We've got a long group text, we've got multiple group text subsets.
We've got subsets.
Yeah.
Well, and I love, um, I forget who posted it from our most recent trip for your birthday, but um, we just all took a group picture, like when we went snowboarding and so many people were like.
You guys just look like such a good group of friends.
You know, it wasn't like, you guys look like a great group of swingers or, you know, like we were fully clothed, just having a good time.
(12:58):
And people are like, this looks awesome.
It, I love that.
Yeah.
And that's like what I, what I think we all want everyone to see is just that like we are a community outside of the bedroom, so.
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cool.
All right.
The next question I wanna ask you is, do you guys remember how you started to explore kink together? Like kink is such a big umbrella term, and I know there's so many different things in kink you guys do.
(13:23):
Yeah.
And that's the incredible thing about your page as well.
Is that 1:51 PM what? I'm definitely hearing things right.
It's 1:51 PM Oh, okay.
What is that noise? I think it was your phone.
Okay, perfect.
Throw it away.
So kink, it's a big umbrella.
And one thing that we've really seen in your page that's really similar to ours is that you do so many different things as well.
(13:48):
So when you log on to Tabby Nona's page, you get a taste of so many different things that you guys have tried.
Yeah.
Do you guys remember how you got into kink together? You're looking right at me.
I mean, I could talk about it or you could talk about it.
I mean, so I've always just been kinky.
Um, of all the partners I've had, I was always the kinkier one.
(14:09):
Um, and that rings true for us.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah, it was a very slow journey.
And I think just, you know, over, over time I started asking more questions and.
I was just kind of prodding you like what are, what are you open to? Like how can we Yeah.
Expand what we have.
(14:29):
'cause we've always had a very good sex life.
Yeah.
It was always like really good even when it wasn't.
How long have you guys been together? A little over 11 years.
Yes.
That's incredible.
Wait, is that right? That's like 11 and a half.
Yeah.
Fuck me.
And how long do you think it was until you started to like really.
Almost question and prod and just show an interest in the things that you were really interested in exploring with Tabby.
(14:51):
I would say about a year in.
Okay.
I was like, Hey, like you wanna mix this up a little bit? And I was like, maybe gimme a minute to mull it over.
Definitely the time is is the biggest factor.
Yeah.
'cause for me, like, um.
I remember when he brought up, you know, just trying different things like rimming or, you know, whatever the, the kinky thing was.
(15:17):
And it wasn't ever that I was vanilla.
I used to get that a lot in like, pa past relationships where people thought I wasn't really into stuff.
Um, and it definitely got into my head where I was like, okay, well maybe I'm not, like, maybe I don't really like it.
I don't know.
Uh, and I remember as we were exploring.
(15:39):
I struggled a lot with being able to relax and like open up and uh, I remember you and I having a conversation and you were like, it's not so much that it's like, oh, these are things I just wanna like do to you or have you do.
For me.
It's about us being able to be vulnerable and a very intimate space, and then that's a way for us to connect more deeply.
(16:02):
Mm-hmm.
And that was the first time I had ever had a partner explain.
Kink like that to me, or just sex in general to me, because I feel like before a lot of it was about getting off.
Mm-hmm.
Or just like, these are things I want from you, like not so much about your pleasure or my pleasure.
Like just gimme this thing.
And so it, you created a very safe space for me to want to explore.
(16:28):
And then it was really nice 'cause it was like, okay.
I always felt like I was a very sexual person.
I always felt like I was a very kinky person, but I always.
Was told I wasn't.
And so now I know it wasn't me.
It was my shitty relationship.
Yeah.
Um, so that was like really nice.
And it did take time still for me to open up because you know, when you have past experiences that block you up like that, it just.
(16:56):
It takes time to also trust that like you actually mean this.
Yeah.
And I'm like, but are you sure? Yeah.
And then also, am I into this? Like, am I pushing a boundary like too far or is this like good for me? And then, you know, it's like it's all give and take.
So, yeah, I feel like it's, it's that approach of like, you're doing this together.
(17:17):
Yeah.
Like you said, it's not like I am doing something just for your benefit.
Mm-hmm.
Or you're doing something for my benefit, or I'm just doing something for my benefit.
Like we're doing it for the collective.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's, that's such like a healthy approach to kink.
That's something that we've always, you know, had as like a pillar is like, no, this is an experience we get to explore together.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
This is for us.
(17:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that, that was another thing too, is like, that's why like patience is.
Waiting is totally fine because Yeah, I never want it to be something that you agree to.
Just to agree to it.
Yeah.
'cause I want you just as invested as I am.
Yeah.
That was the thing.
Like I remember you're like, it doesn't seem like you're into it, so I don't want you to do it because it makes it so it's not enjoy, like it's not enjoyable if you're not having fun.
(17:59):
I'm not having fun.
Right.
And so like, yeah.
Once.
We started to like explore more and enjoy those things.
It was like, okay, now this is something we really love.
Oh shit, this is awesome.
This is so great.
What else can we do? Yeah, and it snowballs from there.
It snowballs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We always get asked like, how do I find a kinky girl like you? It's, oh my God.
(18:22):
Yeah.
Like I'm not just in the woods and waiting to be picked by a magical male fairy.
Like I, I need to.
I need safety to be created around me.
Yeah.
And there's been so much shame around my own sexuality and the things that I wanted to explore.
Yeah.
And now that I had a, a safe space, I was finally able to be curious.
(18:43):
Yeah.
And I was able to be vulnerable and there's so much power and vulnerability and I saw my partner being very vulnerable and I was like, if he can do it, I can do it.
Yeah.
Like, so I love that it's.
Same, same, same, same.
But different.
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that's like a perfect segue into like one of the pillars of our, you know, kinky exploration, which is pegging.
(19:04):
Oh yeah.
Like pegging is such a, a thing that I think both of us are really known for.
Yeah.
That we do so differently than like, yeah.
So many other people.
Yeah, it's not shocking.
Like it's shocking when you look for contents.
Like it's just wild.
It's all look for inspiration.
I'm like, I want some, some help, some inspo for this.
I'm like, like, and shut down.
(19:25):
Nevermind.
Especially as I was learning, um, like I would love to hear what it was like for.
For you to learn how to wear a strap because it was fuck so first so hard.
And just getting those muscles and that hip and that practice and now it's something that like I even kind of trained for.
You're so good at it.
Shoot.
It's something that I take a lot of pride.
I watch you go and I'm like, damn, I need my game.
(19:46):
You guys, dude.
Like penetrating somebody is a really magical and powerful thing and nobody should take that for granted.
Yeah.
So.
Um, but when we were, when I was looking for just, how do I even start pegging there, there was nothing on that.
And so that's something that I'm excited to even build with you as like a guide for people of how do they, and every, most of the pegging that I was looking at was this like harder femdom degradation.
(20:10):
Yeah.
Um, and humiliation.
I love that.
I love that sector.
There's absolutely no shame there.
Yeah.
Um, but it wasn't our flavor of pegging and so then we got to kind of create our own with it.
Yeah.
And I feel like you guys have really done that too.
Just stepped into what worked for you 100%.
Yeah, and I think what that like.
(20:30):
That is like a place to strive to, but like nobody starts with rough degrading from Don Pega.
Like that's just like everyone is has to be first time ping, just yeah.
Every, everybody has to be new and it, I think that's what it like really skips and I think that's why it scares, it can scare a lot of people is it doesn't show like, you know, you, we talked about like exploring kink together.
(20:52):
Like when you start exploring pegging together, that is like.
A thing that you both are actively doing.
Yeah.
Like it, it takes a lot of work in the beginning and you can get to a rough fem dom seam, but like in the beginning, you're wearing something and trying to use something that you have no experience with, that you can't feel, you can't feel, oh my God.
Yeah.
And you, and you know.
(21:13):
Us like we're being penetrated for maybe not the first time, but for the first time in that way and in that space.
So it's just such a new ground for everybody to see like, you know, amazing examples of like really cool, rough femdom scenes is is awesome, but it's also extremely intimidating because you know, people are like, well.
I don't even know how to be penetrated or use this or, and I, I'm not even in a dumb space normally.
(21:38):
Like, it's just such a, like an insurmountable like mountain to climb in the beginning that it can just like, I think really scare people away entirely.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
So I think that's what's been really cool about like.
Our journey of sharing with people is just showing the communication that happens actively.
Like how, you know, how collaborative it is to just start with that space.
(22:01):
Yeah, yeah.
We get comments about that a lot where people are just like, it was really nice hearing, like you're constantly checking in with him being like, is this okay? Is this, do you want it, you know more? Do you want it faster? Do you want it slower? Yeah.
Because it's really hard not being able to feel what it's like.
You know, going inside, I'm like, it's just, it's a foreign object for me.
(22:22):
Mm-hmm.
So it is like my sensory ends where my skin ends.
I'm like, I can't feel what's going, how far it is inside you and stuff, or where it's, how the angle is necessarily.
Mm-hmm.
So, um, yeah, like getting used to that.
And then, although the rest things, oh my God, I was just, I remember like one of the first times we did it.
(22:43):
And you were on your back and you had like your legs open like that.
And then I'm like trying to thrust and I remember after we had, um.
Finished.
I don't know if it was like later that day or like the next day or something, but we were both sore.
Like my like butt was sore from like the thrusting and your like inner legs were super sore from holding them open.
And it was just so funny to like be on the opposite ends of where we normally are.
(23:09):
Right.
And I feel like it gave us a much deeper respect for like the other person and what.
Sex is typically like for them too.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think one of the things that like.
I can relate to in that space is, you know, I, I know typically women have the experience of what it's like to like, have something happen too fast, too deep, too hard.
(23:30):
Yeah.
And when you first like get that as a man, you're like, oh my God.
Like I've done, I've done that to someone like before, you're like, okay.
Yeah.
Like you get that perspective that it's so valuable to be able to be on the other side of that.
Absolutely.
Because it gives you empathy.
It, you know, it lets you relate so that you can carry that back into when you're.
Yeah.
You know, on the other side of it, yeah.
It just brings, there's a whole new world of.
(23:52):
Awareness.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's really cool.
Yeah, I definitely went the farm, went up and know It felt so bad.
Oh man.
I've had that too.
I was like pleasant.
I'm so sorry.
His face is just like hold.
I used too much lube.
I don't know.
It seems like a good idea at the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, and the multitasking, like I did not give guys enough credit.
(24:14):
I don't think I even gave them a little bit.
I was just like, I don't know what you guys are bitching about.
30 seconds is not a long time.
And then I look like an animal, like a pumped out animal, also trying to give a hand job.
Wild Peggy.
Oh, that shit is.
So hard I can't breathe and then there's a camera on my face.
You gotta talk.
I'm like, my short arms are trying to like rage around.
(24:34):
I'm like, hold on.
Or get the pov.
Or get the pov.
And I'm like, we're doing it.
Oh man.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Stamina.
Like how you get into those like squat positions.
And then thrust for as long as you do.
I'm like 30 seconds to a minute.
(24:55):
I mean, this dude's got the most flexible hips I've ever seen.
He does.
It's outrageous, but I'm like, I'm, I try to do it and I'm just like.
I can't be done.
I mean, you can't, about 30 to 45 seconds in, I'm just repeating a mantra, just like, I can do this.
In my mind, I'm like, if I had a dick and I could feel what this felt like, I think I could go longer.
(25:16):
Yeah.
So that's what I tell myself to make myself feel better when I quit.
I, that's right.
Who is talking? There is a man in our house.
I have no idea what he is.
Oh, I didn't hear this guy.
Perfect.
Okay.
I don't know.
Losing my mind.
Oh yeah.
Well, pegging, pegging, thumb dumb.
(25:36):
Yeah.
Love it.
Yeah.
I have a fun question for you guys.
Um, do you guys have any power dynamics in the bedroom that you guys practice or drop into? I feel like you guys sometimes are bratty.
I don't know if you guys have power dynamics outside of that.
Um, I mean, they're not like spoken.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the.
(25:56):
The energy shifts from time to time and we feel it and I think we kind of ride the wave.
Yeah.
Of that.
I think like, I don't know, especially when we were exploring pegging and you were getting more into like that submissive role and I was getting into that more like dominant role, there was a big learning curve for us because they're not our natural.
(26:19):
States, even though we do enjoy being on the other side.
So I think it's been a learning process of being like, okay, I can be kind of dominant and like learning how to tap into those.
Areas.
Yeah, like for me, I was really struggling with being dominant, but then I'd get really frustrated with him like moving too slowly or not doing what I wanted.
(26:43):
And I was like, oh, I can tap into my dominant energy here.
I'm like, snap, do it.
And then like, and then you, that's like, oh, fall into it really easily.
Okay, I will.
I will speed the fuck up.
Yeah.
And it was really nice because I was like, oh, I can get out my frustration in like a healthy, safe.
Way that's fun and morphs it into this really fun activity.
(27:04):
Yeah.
You've been able to just like find ways to step into your power.
Yeah, and I think a fun way for me to see when you're in some of that power, because I've not yet gotten to explore a fem on scene with you.
Yeah.
I'm excited too, if you ever want to.
Okay.
Um, okay.
But when you put on like.
Your outfit and your makeup.
Mm-hmm.
Especially makeup, I feel is such a power thing for you.
(27:25):
It helps a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I love it.
Do you do your makeup and like have an outfit before all of your femdom scenes? Is there a way that you prep for it? I feel like I almost always have an outfit.
Like it's rare, like I really like wearing, you know, fishnets or different things like that, or like a corset.
I really like the corsets.
Um, so I really, and I tend to skew.
(27:50):
Well, it depends on like the vibe I'm going for.
Because if I wanna be more like, I don't know, dominant in like a do what I say kind of way, then I trend towards something darker.
And then if I want it to be more playful, then it's something like bright and colorful.
And if I want it to be really soft and intimate, it's like white and it's like, oh, I love that.
(28:11):
So I have like different styles and stuff like that.
And usually depending on my mood.
Like I shift.
Yeah.
The exact outfit that I'm wearing.
But there's always fun and that's fun to see.
Like you can kind of like if, if you're walking into a space with me, then I'm like, okay, I know what kind of space she's in.
Yeah.
And that allows me to drop into a space that really would fit that.
(28:31):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And it's nice having, I don't know, I think it just helps put you in that mindset 'cause you're like, okay, this is the role I am taking on now.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
It helps with like the embodiment of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, prep is important for me as well to be able to step into that.
Um, getting ready is like kind of a ritual space for that.
(28:51):
And music I have found is a really big power source for me.
Um, like a deep tribal like drum like that will get me into this like dark queen energy almost.
I love that.
That's awesome.
I'll share you it sometime.
Okay.
I love it.
Okay.
What else we got? What else we got? So I, I think we already know the answer to this question, but.
(29:13):
Who brought up pegging? Yeah, that was me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it's, it's funny 'cause I didn't actually seriously bring it up, like, yeah.
I don't quite remember well, so I've just always trusted you, like I've never trusted a partner the way that I trust you.
And that has been true since the beginning.
Like I've never felt any judgment, I've always carried a lot of shame sexually.
(29:35):
Um, but with you it just didn't feel like it was as intense as with other partners.
Mm-hmm.
And.
I've always liked anal play since I was, you know, 19 or 20 since my girlfriend was like, let me try this on you.
You're like, yes.
And then, yeah, since then I was like, oh, okay.
I'm, I'm here for this.
Um, so I just remember it like, it was just very in passing once I was like, you know, I, I really trust you.
(29:59):
I would even let you fuck me and it wasn't serious.
Yeah.
Um, and then just over time, I think, like I planted that seed in our relationship, but more so I planted it in my own head.
Yeah.
And over time it was like.
I would want you to fuck me.
And then that just kind of became a, hey, would you fuck me? And yeah, that was kind of the evolution.
(30:21):
Yeah.
Like, yeah, sure.
Yeah, totally.
I love that.
And so did you just like explore toys or was it fingers? Like how did you get started with that? I mean, we had already been very into like rimming and using like fingers.
Okay.
Uh, not super.
Deep, you know, like it was mm-hmm.
You know, more on like the shallow end I guess.
(30:43):
And then, oh God, I remember trying to find the right kinda dildo for it was, there's so many.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, because I think.
We got a little ambitious at one point, like we had like a small one and we're like, oh, we nailed this.
Let's, like, we tried doing like the one that like inserts into me and like, like the, you know, let's drop one.
(31:05):
We have one, one, we have those as well.
And I, it was one of the most awkward ex, we have one video that it, it was good.
And then after that it became one of the most awkward things to use.
Haven't tried it.
And it was so painful for me because it's so big and it's hard.
It's hard.
Yeah.
It's not flexible and like, I don't know.
It was just such a big step up from where we had been that it was, yeah, it was not it.
(31:30):
We haven't pulled it back out.
We have not pulled it back out.
So then, yeah, then it was like a little bit of an exploration finding, like a good one.
And I had a fan actually, um, recommend the, the pink one that we use like a lot.
Yeah.
So that was, that was how we got that one.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
We've gone through our fair share as well of just trying to figure out.
(31:51):
Sizes and what do we like and even like shape and oh my gosh, the shape.
And I got a couple that were like too soft when I would like try to go in sunny, it would just, it's just like Ben, it's like, this isn't working.
Yep.
I'm so sorry.
I know you're ready, but I've got nothing.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, cool.
Yeah.
So I, I'm curious.
I know, um, when we started pegging, and I think this is something a lot of people might also, um.
(32:17):
Think a little bit too much about it is is that like you just have to peg like you're gonna peg and it's just gonna be like you fucking him the whole time.
Mm-hmm.
And I know that's how we started, but we've evolved to where we're like, no, we can like fuck each other.
Like we don't have to just do this one way or we can do a whole bunch of other stuff.
Is that like kind of the experience you've had with pegging is it was just that act in the beginning and then you were like, wait, we don't have to just peg, we can.
(32:41):
We like literally just, yeah.
This was our most recent video actually, where he's so good.
So good.
But yeah, she, she started pegging me and then because it, it had been a while since we had sex.
Yeah.
And so we started with the pegging scene 'cause it had been so long.
Yeah.
And then halfway through it's like.
No, I, I need to switch this up.
Switch it up.
(33:01):
You were looking too good.
I'd like, I'd like the other way around now, but that was, it was really fun to just like fuck each other and just take turns.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I feel like maybe before that have we like, I mean, I think that we had had off camera ones or things Yeah.
Off camera.
Yeah.
But like we would do both.
Yeah.
For me, like.
(33:22):
Just getting in that space of, of submission and, and opening myself up and it, it just takes a lot.
It's a specific head space.
Yeah.
And so I'd need a lot of time to get there.
Yeah.
And so I think because of that, it would always just be, you're gonna peg me today and that's gonna be what we do.
That's the thing.
Yeah.
Would you like prep yourself mentally before and then say like, I would like you to peg me, or like, how do you get into that space? You're open to sharing that? That's a good question.
(33:52):
I think it took a while because I think our first maybe five pegging videos, um, I'm not really in that space.
Yeah.
And so looking back on it now, like I can see for myself, like how, just in my head I am.
Um, and so I, something, something switched a couple years ago.
Um, I'm not exactly sure what it was, but I.
(34:14):
I just learned to like it a lot more of, of really allowing myself to be completely taken care of by you.
Yeah.
And since then I still need that time to mentally prepare.
Like we, I'll, I'll need to know at least a day or two in advance.
Yeah.
But once I have that day or two and it's like I can completely just submit and yeah.
(34:36):
Let you take over and.
I think it's like, it's a practice too.
Like people think, oh, I wanna try this thing.
It's like something I'm really into.
And then it's like if you're not immediately good at it, it could be really daunting and be like, oh, well maybe I don't really like it.
Or maybe I'm not good at this, so I'm not gonna try.
Especially anal play.
It hurts for the first times if you're not going slow.
(34:57):
Exactly.
Yeah.
I was like, it's just, it's not something.
And if it's brand new.
Like, you're not always gonna be just good at it.
Mm-hmm.
You know, like I had no idea how to, you know, fuck you.
I had no idea how to thrust, like in a way that wasn't jarring.
I'm like, and then I'm like stumbling back there.
(35:18):
I'm trying to be dominant when that's not my natural state.
Like it's not, you know, it was brand new for me too.
And so I think dropping into those head spaces was really difficult at first, but it's something that we.
Knew that we wanted to con continue trying and so we, we just fumbled for a little while and, you know, eventually found our way.
(35:43):
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, our first like few videos you can see, you can see the fumbling.
It's awkward.
It's so awkward.
I'm just like.
Thank you guys for watching this.
Yeah.
We have those as well, and they're so awkward, but not a lot of people pick up on the awkward.
They're like, oh my God, they're so hot.
They're so hot.
Yeah.
People kind of see what they want to see.
Yeah.
Are we watching the same thing because I like my legs are shaking.
(36:07):
I'm like, are you good? Are we done? I think also, if you don't know, our personality is like it's easy not to pick up on certain things.
Mm-hmm.
I guess that's true.
Yeah.
But Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys are good students.
Yeah.
You figured it out together.
You just have to be okay with failing.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, and I think, I think that's where a lot of people like struggle is when the fantasy doesn't match reality.
(36:30):
Yeah.
Then it's easy to give up.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Or place blame.
That's a big thing too.
Oh my god.
So easy to do.
It's like, oh, you weren't doing this, you weren't doing that.
And it's like, well, I'm not that person.
I'm sorry I've never done this before.
I need to practice.
Yeah.
So yeah, allowing time for practice and curiosity and fumbling.
(36:50):
Mm-hmm.
And messes and questions.
Like so many messes with lube, you guys.
Yes.
I use so much.
I was so nervous.
I'm like, that's 10 times the amount I can't touch anything.
I've gotten to the point that, exactly.
I've gotten to the point that when I'm applying lube now, I'll do it with gloves so that I can take the dust off.
That's so smart.
(37:11):
I've seen that.
And then I have clean hands and I'm like, okay.
But it took me.
'cause I was like, I can't touch myself.
I want to try that.
I can't touch anything.
Now, grab a camera, the really expensive equipment.
Yep.
So we, you gotta figure little things out that work for you.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Well, I'm glad you guys didn't give up.
Proud of you.
Yeah, proud of you guys.
(37:31):
Thanks.
Ooh.
Um, fun question.
What would you say is like a signature scene for you guys, if you have one? I have one that I think you guys, that I think of when I think of tab.
No names, but I wanna say, oh yeah.
Do you guys have a signature scene that you guys are like, known for or good at? I have one in, in my mind.
Okay.
But I'm very curious.
I know you first.
(37:52):
Oh yeah.
You go first.
You go first.
Okay.
So, um, when you first sign up to our page, there is.
At the very top, a 42 minute scene of us in our bed, in our old apartment.
Mm-hmm.
And that is like.
That's like peak tapping, no egg, but like, what is it? It's just us and we just go crazy on each other.
We start really sweet and you jump on me and we, we cuddle and we kiss and then I start grabbing your ass.
(38:17):
And then I start spanking your ass.
Tell me more.
Then what happens? And then you start riding my face Uhhuh.
And then I think you spit in my mouth and Oh, this is good.
Yeah.
And yeah, from there, this is just right on your page.
Yeah.
I'm like, perfect.
Yeah.
And then, and what happens? And then I think I.
Kind of throw you off of me and then tight, I start, I start doing things to you, and then I like that it just gets more and more intense and yeah, none of it was planned.
(38:42):
Yeah.
It's just like a primal circle of you guys.
It was just barrel fucking sex and it was awesome.
Bural fucking sex.
Yeah.
But yeah, it has like everything that, that we're known for like just weird positions like the Amazon position.
Yeah.
That's what we some weird think of when I think of you guys, you're so good at the Amazon position.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
And I've tried so many times, so I need you to train me.
(39:04):
It is.
Tricky.
And we didn't like, we stumbled upon that because we had a fan request it when like the very, very beginning when we first started and they asked for a custom of us doing Amazon, and I remember us googling like, what is this position? And we're staring at like.
Huh? How does that work? And like us stumbling, trying to get in the right po It's very funny.
(39:27):
It is a hard one to figure out at first, natural on a bed.
The guys have to, I think, has to have really flexible hips.
Mm-hmm.
And so I think that's where you excel, you know, because you can just bend him, oh my and God, he will go in any position.
I'm like.
What I would give to be able to move my body the way you do, but I, I can't.
(39:50):
It's cool.
Yeah.
That's why the role reversals there.
Yeah, that's true.
It's a good position.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
I think the one I think of is the, at your old apartment.
Yeah.
When you, when you were getting ready to move out and like the broom is empty.
Oh yeah.
Love that one.
I think there's like just a killer Amazon position, like angle lighting, like it's just.
That's like the backlighting coming in.
(40:12):
That was really good.
That was really good.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Yeah.
One of my favorite things about OnlyFans is it is kind of like set up like a Facebook feed.
Totally.
Totally.
And I check my OnlyFans more than any other social media and I'm just like, what are my friends up to? Oh my gosh.
They ped today and did a cream pie into his mouth.
Yes.
I was really excited about that.
(40:34):
Yeah, so I, I love seeing what you guys are up to.
Yeah, we did like a video in our old apartment actually, where it was really spur of the moment, and I, you.
Gave me a cream pie and I just like pushed you down and I like Oh yeah.
Pushed it into your mouth.
And we get comments on that video all the time, which is why I brought it in this last time.
(40:55):
I was like, we have to do this again.
Yeah.
We get positive feedback.
We'll do the things more like, yeah, you hear that? Tell me I did good.
Tell I did good.
I did a good job.
The more you shove me down and sit on my face, like the more, oh, you're always gonna enjoy that.
Yeah.
For that same, same.
Okay.
By the way, taking notes, shove them down on face.
(41:20):
Um, I was gonna say, so I know you mentioned it with like pegging and your styles of pegging, but um, that you've had some off camera, like pegging experiences and you've done things that you haven't actually captured.
Yeah.
Um, I know one thing that we always, you know, are navigating is how we balance intimacy.
On camera versus personal intimacy and what that balance should look like.
(41:43):
And so I I was just curious if you could share like, kind of how you guys approach that.
That's been a big thing for us recently, actually.
Um, I think people think that because we make adult content, we have sex a lot and we, I don't think we have sex as much as a lot of people think we do.
(42:05):
And so because we're not.
Always in that head space, we had this idea that we have to film everything.
Yeah.
Because it's not like we're having sex every day or multiple times a day or like most days of the week.
Uh, and you know, we want to be able to make content for the people who signed up for our page.
(42:28):
We want it to feel like there's value there and we.
Definitely burned out.
Mm-hmm.
We burned out really, really hard and we took a few months off of filming literally anything.
Uh, we just could not do that because it felt like it had creeped into our actual relationship.
(42:54):
It was like sex had become work.
Work.
Absolutely.
And that's not what it should be.
Uh, and so it took us a while of just not having sex.
And I think a lot of people were like, but you guys make porn.
Like, where's the sex? And I'm like, well, we're also people.
We're also people.
And we strive to have our content be as authentic as possible.
Yeah.
We're not gonna just, yeah.
(43:15):
If we're not in the mood, we're not gonna make it.
We're not gonna make it.
Yeah.
And so being human beings who also go through ups and downs, we just weren't having sex for a while, so we didn't film, and then we really focused on.
Being able to connect in our relationship and be intimate again before bringing the cameras back in.
(43:38):
And uh, I think since then we've had a much better balance where we're like, like normally like if we have morning sex, I would pull out my phone at least or something and try to catch a little bit or do this or that.
And.
I actively make sure I don't do that now.
'cause I'm like, well this is just us.
Yeah.
(43:59):
And I would like that to stay that way 'cause I want to make sure, like we both wanna make sure we're prioritizing our relationship.
'cause if we're not doing that, then our content sucks.
Right.
It's super performative and we don't do that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and this whole journey started because we.
We were living with family in really close quarters and we were not being intimate and we were not being intimate.
(44:21):
The whole idea of this was to prioritize our intimacy.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, at at, at the start, it was bringing the camera into it help, and as we evolved, it's like taking the camera back out outta it.
Oh, that's a really good, I like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was just gonna say, it can be so hard.
Because like everything can be an opportunity for content, everything, right? Yeah.
(44:44):
Like, not even sex, of course, but like just life trips or life like, you know, it's such a interwoven thing that we do.
Yeah.
You know, sharing our, our lives and the, you know, the marketing side of it is obviously not porn, so that even bleeds it outside of the bedroom.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, like, you know, there I can definitely think of times where, um, you know, we've had sex and I'm like, man.
(45:09):
I wish we would've filmed that.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, and at the same time, you know, I'm sure you've experienced this where you've tried to film it and it doesn't work out and you like get disappointed and you get upset.
You're like, but I had sex.
Like, shut up.
Stop it.
Yeah.
So it's 100%.
Yeah.
It's just such a interesting thing to have to like constantly navigate and just understand that like, no, not everything has to be captured.
(45:35):
Absolutely.
There needs to be things for us.
Yeah.
And like to this day, like we've had awesome sex on camera, but the best sex we've ever had is always off camera.
Always off camera.
Always.
Yeah.
I mean.
It's your sex.
Yeah.
I'm like, 'cause we're not thinking, oh, the camera's not in the right position.
This, the lighting is changing, blah, blah, blah, blah.
(45:56):
We're just with each other.
Just, yeah.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, for me, like when it comes to like just the setup process, like, you know, when you have sex you're like, all right, we're gonna have sex.
But when you're gonna film it, especially with, you know, the production that we've.
Created around it.
You're like, okay, I'm gonna spend an hour setting up cameras and lights and all of that, and you're like, okay, now I need an hour just to get out of that head space of just like I get a bone.
(46:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not just like, okay.
Be immediately wet.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it is really interesting, just like, you know, you talked about head spaces with pegging, it's almost the same thing.
It's like you gotta reset and pull back from that work mode so that you can Yeah.
Get back into that absolutely.
Intimate mode and Yeah.
And really make sure that it's the best experience you can capture.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And sometimes it's a struggle.
(46:43):
Sometimes it's really hard.
Mm-hmm.
Like, we've actually been working on that with like, in couples therapy, just like learning how to drop back into connecting before we start filming.
Mm-hmm.
And so, and like how we can communicate better.
Before we start filming so that we don't disconnect and stuff.
So wait, are you telling me that watching me fiddle with a camera for 30 minutes doesn't turn away? We are so aroused.
(47:06):
That's what I always, one step away from murder.
I now have sex.
I now have sex.
It's gonna be rage filled, but we could do it.
I don't hate that idea.
Yeah, that's, let's do that.
Make her ragey circle back.
(47:26):
So one thing that you talk about is removing, like shame and stigmas.
Are there anything that you guys have fell into or have seen with shame or stigma around any of the content that you have made? You should, like, touch on that.
I feel, um, no.
No.
I feel like.
(47:48):
Because we've had such a long journey together.
Mm-hmm.
I feel like before we started filming mm-hmm.
We kind of destroyed a lot of that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And now it's a, it's a safe space to, to film it, to put it out to the world and be like, Hey, like this is possible.
Yeah.
Like if you have the right partner and if you do the work, then anything can happen.
(48:11):
Yeah.
I think also it's like good to keep in mind though, that like.
Even when you have like the right partner in the right environment and stuff, there's still old stuff that sits inside of you that will pop up and affect your current relationship, even if it has nothing to do with it.
And you know, a lot of those things come from past experiences or from society or just like what you see out in the world.
(48:37):
And I think that our society has so much.
Shame in general around sex and just, you know, these are things are taboo.
You shouldn't be talking about them.
And just learning how to speak about it without that is such a struggle.
(48:59):
And I know we get like questions from people all the time, like, how do I talk to my partner about this? How do I talk to my partner about that? And it's so hard for so many of us because.
We were always taught not to talk about any of these things.
Mm-hmm.
And so like learning how to bring it up with the person who you're supposed to be closest with is so daunting for so many of us, just because we're told not to talk about it.
(49:21):
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and so like whenever we get those questions, I'm just like the, it's like ripping a bandaid off.
You just kind of have to.
Start, you know? Um, so I feel like, I don't know.
I like that our content really focuses on our communication and our authenticity.
Like us trying to be really genuine with sharing our actual sex life.
(49:45):
Mm-hmm.
Um, 'cause I think when people look at porn and stuff like that, a lot of them, so much of it is performative.
And so they think that's what it has to be.
Like.
They don't think they have to check in with their partner about like how they're doing or if this is working or, you know.
It's just super sexual and intense.
It's not goofy and laughy and stuff, or, or even, you know, they'll see our scenes, like your scenes or our scenes.
(50:09):
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, how do I get that? How do I get that? It's like there's.
Years.
Yeah.
Where are you guys at right now? It's just how you communicate with each other.
Like start square one.
Yeah.
I'm like again, have been together for 11 years.
We were not here at year one, two, or three, or four or four or five or six.
You know, like it takes time and that's okay.
(50:32):
Yeah, I was a little surp.
I, I wouldn't even say I was surprised.
I, I had no idea before stepping into the world of content creation, like how scary the internet actually is.
Oh gosh.
Um, and just like how you become kind of this like brunt of so much shameful projection.
Mm-hmm.
Um, especially until we started to post like funny Instagram reels about pegging or just when I would talk about like male pleasure in general, there's.
(50:58):
So much shame around so much, so much men's pleasure of expressing pleasure, making noise, talking, asking for their needs, prostate play.
Mm-hmm.
Like all of it was so, so shameful.
Yeah.
Um, that I didn't realize how important this work is.
Yeah.
Until we started to do it and.
I, I also commend you guys for being on that battle front because that's awesome.
(51:21):
Those comments can get really rough sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
They're intense.
It's, it would, it used to bother me and now it's, yeah.
It doesn't bother me.
It just feeds me.
It's so hilarious now, like, yeah.
Yeah.
It's ridiculous.
And it's really telling of just like the person that's exactly making the comment and it's, you know, there's only so many variations after a certain point you're like, yes, I like PAing, so I'm, I want to be with a man and leave my wife.
(51:45):
We do group play because we don't actually love each other.
Right.
Like, you know, there's just only so many variations of that you can hear before you're like, I've already heard that.
Yeah.
It doesn't bother me.
Exactly.
So it is very telling.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we get, I'm sure you guys do as well.
We get, we have incredible fans.
Oh my God.
The best that come in and they're just like, thank you guys for talking about this.
(52:06):
Yeah.
Or I've never told anybody this before.
Like, can I ask you a question? Mm-hmm.
Of creating this safe space and we, you.
We do that through like approachability and funny humor.
Mm-hmm.
And being able to just kind of break down that wall.
And I think you guys do that really well.
As, as well.
Thank you.
Yeah, I think, I think all four of us do that really well.
It's really awesome.
And I, I love getting those messages from fans who are just like, oh, I really wanna, you know, explore this.
(52:32):
Like, do you have any advice? How is this for you? And then like, gain the messages being like, oh my God, okay.
I brought it up to my partner and they're into it and like we're.
Starting to explore my bisexuality, or I'm starting to explore, you know, rimming, pegging, whatever it is, you just turn into like a cheerleader.
Oh my God.
I get so excited.
I'm like.
Get it.
Get it.
Fucking get it.
(52:54):
Because that's, I mean, that's missing in so many people's lives is this safe space and then this validation and this praise of like, no, I'm gonna champion this with you.
This was huge.
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm so proud of you.
You're such a slu.
Yeah.
It's not the best.
This is the best.
Yeah.
So what do you guys like to do outside of creating content? If you're, if you're not.
In the world online is having no name doing offline.
(53:17):
I'm probably reading.
You're probably reading.
I'm so boring you guys.
You are not boring.
I mean, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I am.
You're perfect.
Like if I could not talk to anybody and just be in a room all by myself, I would be so happy.
Love that fantasy for you.
(53:37):
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm in a room.
There's nobody there.
I got a book.
I got many books.
Sun's coming in.
Perfect.
I mean, you have like a master's in creative writing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're a big deal.
You're really smart.
I also like writing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Writing's really fun.
Yeah, you're very creative.
I like being creative.
Yeah.
If I can write, I can paint, I can, I don't know, build something.
(54:00):
You're making your own cosplay outfits, like I know it's starting to come along.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it.
So.
Yeah.
I just, I wanna create, wanna create.
Yeah.
We like creating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cool.
What about you? What do you like to do? I'm, I'm a nature slut.
Such a slut.
Yeah.
Dear Lord.
I like being outside.
Yeah.
Hiking, backpacking.
(54:22):
I've gotten more into it.
You have? Yeah.
It's actually quite impressive.
Took a while.
It's a hard thing to do.
Yeah.
Three nights outside with me.
Yeah.
I think threes like the longest I will take that I've done.
Yeah.
I don't like the sound of nature.
Sometimes I'm gonna be real with you guys.
Like the animals or the thunder? Like all of it.
Of it.
Just all of it.
I'm simulator.
(54:43):
It's the waves on the beach.
Yeah.
I fucking hate the waves.
Isn't, or the sound of the river.
Ugh.
I had no idea.
That's like what we search for.
Like this is heaven right now.
Like I feel at peace.
It's so goddamn loud you guys.
I just wanna be like.
(55:03):
Shut up.
And I love that like balance, balance and duality for both of you like brings down a little bit and the fact that you still come out with me is pretty amazing.
Yeah, I do really like, I make it sound like I hate it.
I really love it.
It's just, you know, usually it's not your choice.
Or I guess what would you say it's not No, I really love it.
I think you helped me gain an appreciation for nature.
(55:26):
Uh, it's just 'cause I didn't grow up.
Like in that environment, going outside and camping.
Like I never did that as a kid.
Yeah.
Uh, so you really helped me, you know? Appreciate that and have shown me some really beautiful places where it's like, oh shit, I get it.
This is like the stuff people write.
Good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But at night when I'm trying to go to sleep and fucking ocean, ocean, fuck up.
(55:51):
I know.
I, that's when I start to lose my mind.
I'm just like, yeah.
I know people like get sound machines to specifically listen to this, but I am not a fan.
I know a crackling fire, like a campfire barf.
I'm also like just convinced that there's probably somebody in the woods like waiting to murder me.
That's the paraia.
(56:12):
The paranoia is, that's the creative.
I'm just like, and then this will happen and this will happen.
I've read this, I've read about, oh.
I have, man, when I was in grad school and I was reading people's short stories.
Do you, how many people wrote horror in my program? Dear Horror fucking scarred me for life.
I love it.
Any go? All right.
One question we ask everybody that's on here is, what is your favorite kind of aftercare? Oh, that's a good question.
(56:38):
Hmm.
Lots of snuggles.
Snuggles and food.
Oh yeah.
I forgot that.
I need, I'm so hungry.
Like sweets, savory, all of it.
Probably both.
Okay.
I think I usually go towards start savory.
Start savory and sweet.
But uh, I think it's lots of cuddles.
(56:58):
Yeah.
For us.
Just holding.
Just holding.
Yeah.
Forehead kisses, nose kisses.
Lots of goofiness.
Like we weird noises.
They're so weird.
That's a you like.
Just sloth out on me where you just are like, oh, like God, good.
Toothless, no good toothless.
No.
Yeah, something weird.
(57:18):
You guys are the grossest, cutest things I've ever seen.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Oh, it's perfect.
Cool.
We love that.
Well, thank you guys for being here with us.
Thank you for having us.
You can find Tabby no name on Instagram on all of the adult sites.
Is there anywhere else? Everyone can find you? I mean, literally anywhere.
(57:39):
Literally everywhere, except nature.
I mean, you'll find us there too, but I'll be complaining the whole time.
Yes, you just your little brat just walking up the guys.
I'm such a fucking brat.
Such a brat.
I'll be carrying your backpack for you.
This happened.
I love it.
Love it.
Well, thank you for tuning in with us and sharing this last hour with us.
(58:03):
You know where to find us, sunny in sky.com
and I hope you always stay curious and kinky.
See you later.
Thank you.
Welcome, kinky ones and pleasure seekers.
We are the Aftercare podcast with your host, Skye.
And I'm Sunny, where we talk about and normalize the conversations around sex, love, kink, and everything in between.
And today we have a really exciting episode with two very special guests.
Tabby and Noname from the creative brand.
Tabby Noname with a mantra of porn should be fun.
(00:22):
They're on a mission to destroy shame and stigmas in the world of sex, love, and kink, one home movie at a time.
And we are lucky enough to call them our best friends and closest allies in the world of content creation and kink.
Welcome to the Aftercare podcast.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That was really good.
You? That was, I crush that.
(00:43):
I'm like, don't interrupt her and tell her how good she's doing.
She's, and I'm like, don't look her in the eye.
Now.
My praise kink is open.
Thank you.
That's the applause.
Welcome.
Thank you guys for coming down here and just joining us.
Yeah.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah, this is fun.
Literally, anytime.
The best.
So I thought we could start today's episode with just kind of talking about our origin story and how Tabby Noname and Sunny Sky Met.
(01:10):
Yeah.
If you wanna kind of start that off.
Well, we were going on a road trip to go visit family, and I had been stalking you guys for several months.
Ditto.
Yeah.
Just constantly scrolling through TikTok and Instagram, just like what'd they do today? Um, and I remember putting out like the little, I don't know, I think that's the little question thing, like basically, are you a creator and the west? Coastal area of the United States.
(01:42):
If you are, it'd be awesome to meet you.
I put that out as a general question with literally only you guys in mind, and you guys responded and I was like, fuck yeah.
I did it.
I tricked them.
Uh, well, um, very trekked.
I was, yes, I know.
(02:02):
I fell right into the trap.
Yeah.
I was super excited When, um, sky told me, she's like, yeah.
It's having a Nona or coming through Denver just to like see us.
Yeah.
It's not even on their way.
Like you guys kind of went out the way a little bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We have like substantially.
Perfect.
Thank you.
I love that.
It was great.
(02:23):
Yeah.
We had been also stalking you, um, in the world of like content creation, especially with social media and Instagram.
Yeah.
Like everybody's kind of on everybody's radar, especially because our brands like really align.
That's really like what it was.
'cause I'm actually very.
Like out of the know, in terms of like creators, I feel like I have you and other people come up to me like, do you know this person? Do you know this person? I'm like, nah, I don't know any of these people, but I knew you guys.
(02:53):
'cause we just have such similar styles.
Yeah, I guess.
And so, yeah.
What would you say your style is? What are these similar styles we're like? Well, because we dabble in such similar things like.
With our intimacy, we're all into pegging, but like a very different kind of pegging than you see in mainstream media.
(03:14):
Mm-hmm.
Um, and you guys are just so sweet and loving and goofy, which I appreciate so much.
I feel like it's really hard to find people who are just making funny tiktoks about sex.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So as soon as we found that I was like.
Follow.
It was funny, I think I actually found both of you on Reddit like almost a year before the Instagram like meetup actually happened.
(03:41):
And I think it was from a post from Liam gets it actually.
Oh, no way.
Yeah, and I like stumbled onto their profile and then yours, I even had like an.
OnlyFans tab on my computer open for like months.
Guys stalked you.
Yeah.
I was like, I was like these people because, you know, then I went into your Reddit, I was like, they do what we do and they do it like we do.
(04:02):
So it was really cool.
Like, yeah, it's, you know, we, we always like see each other for so long and it was really exciting to have like that first like in person meeting.
It's always funny to like, for sure.
In this world you can like see so much about other people and you know, feel like you know them so well without ever actually like having an in-person meetup.
So it's really cool for that to like finally come to fruition.
(04:24):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
It's really weird to like see the most intimate moments of strangers and it's like, oh hey, like.
I already know that we can get along.
Yeah.
'cause of what I've seen.
Yeah.
I've seen you have sex.
I've seen you, I've seen you naked, seen your butt hole.
So we're we're really in depth.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it's super fun.
I remember too, like when we were texting beforehand, because we're both such.
(04:48):
We're all like introverts.
Mm-hmm.
Very little bit of social awkward.
Yeah.
You're, you're just like, also if you wanna, like, anytime you wanna leave, like, whatever, you don't have to stay.
And I was like, cool, cool, cool.
If I just run outta the house, like you can also kick me out if I'm really obnoxious.
Just like, tell me to leave your home.
Uh, and I, I remember when, um, you first showed up, like, we have a doorbell camera, and I like, I was like looking, I was like.
(05:12):
They're here.
I was like, didn't, we didn't know what to do.
We pulled up to your driveway.
We're like, okay, do we just go and knock on the door? We, we text, do we call? Okay.
But it was 'cause we knew you guys had dogs.
And I was like, that's the only reason.
That is the only reason I was nervous.
Oh, okay.
Well, my only reason was like, I know they have dogs and I know dogs can get spooked by doorbells.
(05:34):
Yeah.
And then so I was like.
And we didn't wanna be creepy and just open the door because we've been watching Yeah, we've been watching you.
That when you told us that you'd been watching, I'm like, cool.
Okay.
I feel better actually.
Perfect.
No, I love you.
You guys were super brave.
You stayed with us the first time you met us.
You guys invited us into your home.
Yeah.
We all total weirdos.
Yeah.
We tend to do that.
(05:55):
We, we, we were very welcoming up front and again, we felt like we already knew you, you know, so it was, it was an easy thing to invite you into our home.
Yeah.
I'm glad you did it.
And then you wanted to be friends with us, and then we moved across the country.
We like trip with us.
We're like, stay in our house.
We're gonna follow you home.
Okay.
Like, what was it like six months after we met you? We moved out here.
(06:18):
Yeah.
I was, I remember when you guys mentioned it.
I was like, for real seed.
Sweet.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Yes.
We're not total creepers, we just were also ready for something new.
Yeah.
We had community.
Now you guys had been talking about it beforehand, like just somewhere on the west coast.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
For, for well over a year before that.
Yeah.
But But you were still the main reason.
(06:40):
No.
Shit.
I remember when you guys were saying, I was like, no pressure, no pressure.
Be cool.
Yes.
Where would you say our relationship is now? Like, what, do you wanna see it evolutionize? Or how have we evolved? Um, and you can even talk about like how you approach collabs and Yeah.
What your relationship kind of looks like to kind of build that up too.
(07:02):
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's interesting because, uh.
Before we met and everything, we obviously knew that we were all really similar in terms of how we create content.
Like what kind of content we do create.
We have similar styles of like communications with our partners and stuff.
And uh, I think it's really easy for people who watch both of our content to be like, oh, they're so similar.
(07:29):
They've met in real life now.
They're totally gonna make all the content.
Mm-hmm.
And it's funny because it's.
On like my end or our end, like it's like, yeah, I really want to do all those things, but it's not always that simple.
Right? You know? It's like we're still getting to know each other as friends, and we enjoy building up those relationships before we move into being intimate.
(07:54):
And, um, I think it's also like good to not put so much pressure on a friendship when it's new to immediately add in sex.
Well, and also to immediately add in working together too.
Yeah.
'cause it is work when we are filming, it's not just.
Sex.
Yeah.
Uh, so it's just, it's a lot of pressure on multiple different levels.
(08:16):
So for us it was really nice just like hanging out and being friends and our version of work was making tiktoks or just taking a couple photos or just hanging out with each other, like, yeah, I feel like that was really good to.
Build that base of our, like friendship and stuff.
(08:37):
So yeah.
Do we have something in common outside of Outside? Yeah.
Outside of it.
Yeah.
Outside of pegging.
What else do we do? The answer is yes.
Well, and like when we first went to Joshua Tree Yeah.
Uh, last May.
Um, and just making this silly, goofy tiktoks and taking the pictures and how easy it was and it just.
It went so seamlessly.
(08:57):
It just felt really good.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And there was no expectation or pressure for anything else.
Yeah.
And I was like, okay, yeah.
These are our people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love finding the community.
And pictures, as you guys know, is a really hard thing for me.
Yeah.
I didn't know that until recently.
I was like, girl, you've, you've taken pictures with me since the beginning.
Oh.
I feel so special because you're so safe.
(09:19):
Oh.
So thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah.
And, and when we did finally like, take that first step into like doing a soft swap with you guys.
Yeah.
Like, that was a really special space too.
Um, I'm gonna repeat something that you tell me to do all the time of slowing down and it's, it is a really good mantra to have at this point in our life.
(09:43):
When Sunny and I started, um, we kind of got mixed up with some of the wrong, I wouldn't even say the wrong people, but with just different people.
And it wasn't necessarily our community, but it.
It was just like a certain way of just immediately getting into something, doing a swap.
And that was our first swap too, was the first time it was on camera and we had just like really met these people in like real life and it was a really hard experience for me.
(10:06):
And the second one after that was also a little bit hard and I.
I was getting to the point that I was like, I don't know if this is for me.
Yeah.
Um, because I didn't have that connection, especially with like the guys that I was en enjoying or supposed to be enjoying.
Like I didn't have that safety and that connection and so it did feel like more of a performance.
(10:27):
Yeah.
And I'm at this point in my life that I can't perform and I wanna feel safe enough that I don't have to perform or if I do wanna perform, that I also feel safe enough and celebrated in that space too.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So thank you for also being a really good role model in the sense of slowing down.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, and I think that like.
Our experiences and meeting, you know, another couple that's similar, just like really reinforce like how much we all are demisexual.
(10:53):
Oh my God.
Like we, we need that connection outside of the bedroom, outside of work, outside of sex, whatever it is.
Like we truly do, like, have better experiences overall when we know someone, right? Mm-hmm.
You know, fully and wholly.
Yeah.
So yeah, that was like really reinforcing and meeting, you know, both of you and then also, um, Piper and Ben and some of the other people in our community is just like, yes, these, you know, these are the people that we would be friends with.
(11:22):
None of this existed no matter what, if content didn't exist, if you know our work didn't exist, we would still be friends with these people.
You'd still be friends with me.
Fuck yeah.
Try and get rid of us.
What are we doing? Fucking dare you.
She's only a little scary bet.
Um, yeah, the, the whole like demisexual thing is so interesting because it's.
(11:48):
I think as creators, everybody's just like, you guys can do everything all the time.
And it's like, no, but do you see how much better it is when there's emotion and there's like connection and you watch these people grow over time? You know? So it's like, yeah, it really is a journey.
It's a journey.
It's not about the destination.
Yeah.
And when you can watch the progress that people take together, it's like, shit.
(12:12):
That's cool.
For sure.
And I mean, you see it in like.
Relationships like singular.
So why wouldn't you wanna see it? And.
Like multiple relationships.
We have a really special community.
Yeah.
We do like everything that you see, like we are truly connected to each other, care about each other.
We've gone outta the country with each other.
(12:33):
Yeah.
We've got a long group text, we've got multiple group text subsets.
We've got subsets.
Yeah.
Well, and I love, um, I forget who posted it from our most recent trip for your birthday, but um, we just all took a group picture, like when we went snowboarding and so many people were like.
You guys just look like such a good group of friends.
You know, it wasn't like, you guys look like a great group of swingers or, you know, like we were fully clothed, just having a good time.
(12:58):
And people are like, this looks awesome.
It, I love that.
Yeah.
And that's like what I, what I think we all want everyone to see is just that like we are a community outside of the bedroom, so.
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cool.
All right.
The next question I wanna ask you is, do you guys remember how you started to explore kink together? Like kink is such a big umbrella term, and I know there's so many different things in kink you guys do.
(13:23):
Yeah.
And that's the incredible thing about your page as well.
Is that 1:51 PM what? I'm definitely hearing things right.
It's 1:51 PM Oh, okay.
What is that noise? I think it was your phone.
Okay, perfect.
Throw it away.
So kink, it's a big umbrella.
And one thing that we've really seen in your page that's really similar to ours is that you do so many different things as well.
(13:48):
So when you log on to Tabby Nona's page, you get a taste of so many different things that you guys have tried.
Yeah.
Do you guys remember how you got into kink together? You're looking right at me.
I mean, I could talk about it or you could talk about it.
I mean, so I've always just been kinky.
Um, of all the partners I've had, I was always the kinkier one.
(14:09):
Um, and that rings true for us.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah, it was a very slow journey.
And I think just, you know, over, over time I started asking more questions and.
I was just kind of prodding you like what are, what are you open to? Like how can we Yeah.
Expand what we have.
(14:29):
'cause we've always had a very good sex life.
Yeah.
It was always like really good even when it wasn't.
How long have you guys been together? A little over 11 years.
Yes.
That's incredible.
Wait, is that right? That's like 11 and a half.
Yeah.
Fuck me.
And how long do you think it was until you started to like really.
Almost question and prod and just show an interest in the things that you were really interested in exploring with Tabby.
(14:51):
I would say about a year in.
Okay.
I was like, Hey, like you wanna mix this up a little bit? And I was like, maybe gimme a minute to mull it over.
Definitely the time is is the biggest factor.
Yeah.
'cause for me, like, um.
I remember when he brought up, you know, just trying different things like rimming or, you know, whatever the, the kinky thing was.
(15:17):
And it wasn't ever that I was vanilla.
I used to get that a lot in like, pa past relationships where people thought I wasn't really into stuff.
Um, and it definitely got into my head where I was like, okay, well maybe I'm not, like, maybe I don't really like it.
I don't know.
Uh, and I remember as we were exploring.
(15:39):
I struggled a lot with being able to relax and like open up and uh, I remember you and I having a conversation and you were like, it's not so much that it's like, oh, these are things I just wanna like do to you or have you do.
For me.
It's about us being able to be vulnerable and a very intimate space, and then that's a way for us to connect more deeply.
(16:02):
Mm-hmm.
And that was the first time I had ever had a partner explain.
Kink like that to me, or just sex in general to me, because I feel like before a lot of it was about getting off.
Mm-hmm.
Or just like, these are things I want from you, like not so much about your pleasure or my pleasure.
Like just gimme this thing.
And so it, you created a very safe space for me to want to explore.
(16:28):
And then it was really nice 'cause it was like, okay.
I always felt like I was a very sexual person.
I always felt like I was a very kinky person, but I always.
Was told I wasn't.
And so now I know it wasn't me.
It was my shitty relationship.
Yeah.
Um, so that was like really nice.
And it did take time still for me to open up because you know, when you have past experiences that block you up like that, it just.
(16:56):
It takes time to also trust that like you actually mean this.
Yeah.
And I'm like, but are you sure? Yeah.
And then also, am I into this? Like, am I pushing a boundary like too far or is this like good for me? And then, you know, it's like it's all give and take.
So, yeah, I feel like it's, it's that approach of like, you're doing this together.
(17:17):
Yeah.
Like you said, it's not like I am doing something just for your benefit.
Mm-hmm.
Or you're doing something for my benefit, or I'm just doing something for my benefit.
Like we're doing it for the collective.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's, that's such like a healthy approach to kink.
That's something that we've always, you know, had as like a pillar is like, no, this is an experience we get to explore together.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
This is for us.
(17:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that, that was another thing too, is like, that's why like patience is.
Waiting is totally fine because Yeah, I never want it to be something that you agree to.
Just to agree to it.
Yeah.
'cause I want you just as invested as I am.
Yeah.
That was the thing.
Like I remember you're like, it doesn't seem like you're into it, so I don't want you to do it because it makes it so it's not enjoy, like it's not enjoyable if you're not having fun.
(17:59):
I'm not having fun.
Right.
And so like, yeah.
Once.
We started to like explore more and enjoy those things.
It was like, okay, now this is something we really love.
Oh shit, this is awesome.
This is so great.
What else can we do? Yeah, and it snowballs from there.
It snowballs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We always get asked like, how do I find a kinky girl like you? It's, oh my God.
(18:22):
Yeah.
Like I'm not just in the woods and waiting to be picked by a magical male fairy.
Like I, I need to.
I need safety to be created around me.
Yeah.
And there's been so much shame around my own sexuality and the things that I wanted to explore.
Yeah.
And now that I had a, a safe space, I was finally able to be curious.
(18:43):
Yeah.
And I was able to be vulnerable and there's so much power and vulnerability and I saw my partner being very vulnerable and I was like, if he can do it, I can do it.
Yeah.
Like, so I love that it's.
Same, same, same, same.
But different.
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that's like a perfect segue into like one of the pillars of our, you know, kinky exploration, which is pegging.
(19:04):
Oh yeah.
Like pegging is such a, a thing that I think both of us are really known for.
Yeah.
That we do so differently than like, yeah.
So many other people.
Yeah, it's not shocking.
Like it's shocking when you look for contents.
Like it's just wild.
It's all look for inspiration.
I'm like, I want some, some help, some inspo for this.
I'm like, like, and shut down.
(19:25):
Nevermind.
Especially as I was learning, um, like I would love to hear what it was like for.
For you to learn how to wear a strap because it was fuck so first so hard.
And just getting those muscles and that hip and that practice and now it's something that like I even kind of trained for.
You're so good at it.
Shoot.
It's something that I take a lot of pride.
I watch you go and I'm like, damn, I need my game.
(19:46):
You guys, dude.
Like penetrating somebody is a really magical and powerful thing and nobody should take that for granted.
Yeah.
So.
Um, but when we were, when I was looking for just, how do I even start pegging there, there was nothing on that.
And so that's something that I'm excited to even build with you as like a guide for people of how do they, and every, most of the pegging that I was looking at was this like harder femdom degradation.
(20:10):
Yeah.
Um, and humiliation.
I love that.
I love that sector.
There's absolutely no shame there.
Yeah.
Um, but it wasn't our flavor of pegging and so then we got to kind of create our own with it.
Yeah.
And I feel like you guys have really done that too.
Just stepped into what worked for you 100%.
Yeah, and I think what that like.
(20:30):
That is like a place to strive to, but like nobody starts with rough degrading from Don Pega.
Like that's just like everyone is has to be first time ping, just yeah.
Every, everybody has to be new and it, I think that's what it like really skips and I think that's why it scares, it can scare a lot of people is it doesn't show like, you know, you, we talked about like exploring kink together.
(20:52):
Like when you start exploring pegging together, that is like.
A thing that you both are actively doing.
Yeah.
Like it, it takes a lot of work in the beginning and you can get to a rough fem dom seam, but like in the beginning, you're wearing something and trying to use something that you have no experience with, that you can't feel, you can't feel, oh my God.
Yeah.
And you, and you know.
(21:13):
Us like we're being penetrated for maybe not the first time, but for the first time in that way and in that space.
So it's just such a new ground for everybody to see like, you know, amazing examples of like really cool, rough femdom scenes is is awesome, but it's also extremely intimidating because you know, people are like, well.
I don't even know how to be penetrated or use this or, and I, I'm not even in a dumb space normally.
(21:38):
Like, it's just such a, like an insurmountable like mountain to climb in the beginning that it can just like, I think really scare people away entirely.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
So I think that's what's been really cool about like.
Our journey of sharing with people is just showing the communication that happens actively.
Like how, you know, how collaborative it is to just start with that space.
(22:01):
Yeah, yeah.
We get comments about that a lot where people are just like, it was really nice hearing, like you're constantly checking in with him being like, is this okay? Is this, do you want it, you know more? Do you want it faster? Do you want it slower? Yeah.
Because it's really hard not being able to feel what it's like.
You know, going inside, I'm like, it's just, it's a foreign object for me.
(22:22):
Mm-hmm.
So it is like my sensory ends where my skin ends.
I'm like, I can't feel what's going, how far it is inside you and stuff, or where it's, how the angle is necessarily.
Mm-hmm.
So, um, yeah, like getting used to that.
And then, although the rest things, oh my God, I was just, I remember like one of the first times we did it.
(22:43):
And you were on your back and you had like your legs open like that.
And then I'm like trying to thrust and I remember after we had, um.
Finished.
I don't know if it was like later that day or like the next day or something, but we were both sore.
Like my like butt was sore from like the thrusting and your like inner legs were super sore from holding them open.
And it was just so funny to like be on the opposite ends of where we normally are.
(23:09):
Right.
And I feel like it gave us a much deeper respect for like the other person and what.
Sex is typically like for them too.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think one of the things that like.
I can relate to in that space is, you know, I, I know typically women have the experience of what it's like to like, have something happen too fast, too deep, too hard.
(23:30):
Yeah.
And when you first like get that as a man, you're like, oh my God.
Like I've done, I've done that to someone like before, you're like, okay.
Yeah.
Like you get that perspective that it's so valuable to be able to be on the other side of that.
Absolutely.
Because it gives you empathy.
It, you know, it lets you relate so that you can carry that back into when you're.
Yeah.
You know, on the other side of it, yeah.
It just brings, there's a whole new world of.
(23:52):
Awareness.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's really cool.
Yeah, I definitely went the farm, went up and know It felt so bad.
Oh man.
I've had that too.
I was like pleasant.
I'm so sorry.
His face is just like hold.
I used too much lube.
I don't know.
It seems like a good idea at the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, and the multitasking, like I did not give guys enough credit.
(24:14):
I don't think I even gave them a little bit.
I was just like, I don't know what you guys are bitching about.
30 seconds is not a long time.
And then I look like an animal, like a pumped out animal, also trying to give a hand job.
Wild Peggy.
Oh, that shit is.
So hard I can't breathe and then there's a camera on my face.
You gotta talk.
I'm like, my short arms are trying to like rage around.
(24:34):
I'm like, hold on.
Or get the pov.
Or get the pov.
And I'm like, we're doing it.
Oh man.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Stamina.
Like how you get into those like squat positions.
And then thrust for as long as you do.
I'm like 30 seconds to a minute.
(24:55):
I mean, this dude's got the most flexible hips I've ever seen.
He does.
It's outrageous, but I'm like, I'm, I try to do it and I'm just like.
I can't be done.
I mean, you can't, about 30 to 45 seconds in, I'm just repeating a mantra, just like, I can do this.
In my mind, I'm like, if I had a dick and I could feel what this felt like, I think I could go longer.
(25:16):
Yeah.
So that's what I tell myself to make myself feel better when I quit.
I, that's right.
Who is talking? There is a man in our house.
I have no idea what he is.
Oh, I didn't hear this guy.
Perfect.
Okay.
I don't know.
Losing my mind.
Oh yeah.
Well, pegging, pegging, thumb dumb.
(25:36):
Yeah.
Love it.
Yeah.
I have a fun question for you guys.
Um, do you guys have any power dynamics in the bedroom that you guys practice or drop into? I feel like you guys sometimes are bratty.
I don't know if you guys have power dynamics outside of that.
Um, I mean, they're not like spoken.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the.
(25:56):
The energy shifts from time to time and we feel it and I think we kind of ride the wave.
Yeah.
Of that.
I think like, I don't know, especially when we were exploring pegging and you were getting more into like that submissive role and I was getting into that more like dominant role, there was a big learning curve for us because they're not our natural.
(26:19):
States, even though we do enjoy being on the other side.
So I think it's been a learning process of being like, okay, I can be kind of dominant and like learning how to tap into those.
Areas.
Yeah, like for me, I was really struggling with being dominant, but then I'd get really frustrated with him like moving too slowly or not doing what I wanted.
(26:43):
And I was like, oh, I can tap into my dominant energy here.
I'm like, snap, do it.
And then like, and then you, that's like, oh, fall into it really easily.
Okay, I will.
I will speed the fuck up.
Yeah.
And it was really nice because I was like, oh, I can get out my frustration in like a healthy, safe.
Way that's fun and morphs it into this really fun activity.
(27:04):
Yeah.
You've been able to just like find ways to step into your power.
Yeah, and I think a fun way for me to see when you're in some of that power, because I've not yet gotten to explore a fem on scene with you.
Yeah.
I'm excited too, if you ever want to.
Okay.
Um, okay.
But when you put on like.
Your outfit and your makeup.
Mm-hmm.
Especially makeup, I feel is such a power thing for you.
(27:25):
It helps a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I love it.
Do you do your makeup and like have an outfit before all of your femdom scenes? Is there a way that you prep for it? I feel like I almost always have an outfit.
Like it's rare, like I really like wearing, you know, fishnets or different things like that, or like a corset.
I really like the corsets.
Um, so I really, and I tend to skew.
(27:50):
Well, it depends on like the vibe I'm going for.
Because if I wanna be more like, I don't know, dominant in like a do what I say kind of way, then I trend towards something darker.
And then if I want it to be more playful, then it's something like bright and colorful.
And if I want it to be really soft and intimate, it's like white and it's like, oh, I love that.
(28:11):
So I have like different styles and stuff like that.
And usually depending on my mood.
Like I shift.
Yeah.
The exact outfit that I'm wearing.
But there's always fun and that's fun to see.
Like you can kind of like if, if you're walking into a space with me, then I'm like, okay, I know what kind of space she's in.
Yeah.
And that allows me to drop into a space that really would fit that.
(28:31):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And it's nice having, I don't know, I think it just helps put you in that mindset 'cause you're like, okay, this is the role I am taking on now.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
It helps with like the embodiment of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, prep is important for me as well to be able to step into that.
Um, getting ready is like kind of a ritual space for that.
(28:51):
And music I have found is a really big power source for me.
Um, like a deep tribal like drum like that will get me into this like dark queen energy almost.
I love that.
That's awesome.
I'll share you it sometime.
Okay.
I love it.
Okay.
What else we got? What else we got? So I, I think we already know the answer to this question, but.
(29:13):
Who brought up pegging? Yeah, that was me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it's, it's funny 'cause I didn't actually seriously bring it up, like, yeah.
I don't quite remember well, so I've just always trusted you, like I've never trusted a partner the way that I trust you.
And that has been true since the beginning.
Like I've never felt any judgment, I've always carried a lot of shame sexually.
(29:35):
Um, but with you it just didn't feel like it was as intense as with other partners.
Mm-hmm.
And.
I've always liked anal play since I was, you know, 19 or 20 since my girlfriend was like, let me try this on you.
You're like, yes.
And then, yeah, since then I was like, oh, okay.
I'm, I'm here for this.
Um, so I just remember it like, it was just very in passing once I was like, you know, I, I really trust you.
(29:59):
I would even let you fuck me and it wasn't serious.
Yeah.
Um, and then just over time, I think, like I planted that seed in our relationship, but more so I planted it in my own head.
Yeah.
And over time it was like.
I would want you to fuck me.
And then that just kind of became a, hey, would you fuck me? And yeah, that was kind of the evolution.
(30:21):
Yeah.
Like, yeah, sure.
Yeah, totally.
I love that.
And so did you just like explore toys or was it fingers? Like how did you get started with that? I mean, we had already been very into like rimming and using like fingers.
Okay.
Uh, not super.
Deep, you know, like it was mm-hmm.
You know, more on like the shallow end I guess.
(30:43):
And then, oh God, I remember trying to find the right kinda dildo for it was, there's so many.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, because I think.
We got a little ambitious at one point, like we had like a small one and we're like, oh, we nailed this.
Let's, like, we tried doing like the one that like inserts into me and like, like the, you know, let's drop one.
(31:05):
We have one, one, we have those as well.
And I, it was one of the most awkward ex, we have one video that it, it was good.
And then after that it became one of the most awkward things to use.
Haven't tried it.
And it was so painful for me because it's so big and it's hard.
It's hard.
Yeah.
It's not flexible and like, I don't know.
It was just such a big step up from where we had been that it was, yeah, it was not it.
(31:30):
We haven't pulled it back out.
We have not pulled it back out.
So then, yeah, then it was like a little bit of an exploration finding, like a good one.
And I had a fan actually, um, recommend the, the pink one that we use like a lot.
Yeah.
So that was, that was how we got that one.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
We've gone through our fair share as well of just trying to figure out.
(31:51):
Sizes and what do we like and even like shape and oh my gosh, the shape.
And I got a couple that were like too soft when I would like try to go in sunny, it would just, it's just like Ben, it's like, this isn't working.
Yep.
I'm so sorry.
I know you're ready, but I've got nothing.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, cool.
Yeah.
So I, I'm curious.
I know, um, when we started pegging, and I think this is something a lot of people might also, um.
(32:17):
Think a little bit too much about it is is that like you just have to peg like you're gonna peg and it's just gonna be like you fucking him the whole time.
Mm-hmm.
And I know that's how we started, but we've evolved to where we're like, no, we can like fuck each other.
Like we don't have to just do this one way or we can do a whole bunch of other stuff.
Is that like kind of the experience you've had with pegging is it was just that act in the beginning and then you were like, wait, we don't have to just peg, we can.
(32:41):
We like literally just, yeah.
This was our most recent video actually, where he's so good.
So good.
But yeah, she, she started pegging me and then because it, it had been a while since we had sex.
Yeah.
And so we started with the pegging scene 'cause it had been so long.
Yeah.
And then halfway through it's like.
No, I, I need to switch this up.
Switch it up.
(33:01):
You were looking too good.
I'd like, I'd like the other way around now, but that was, it was really fun to just like fuck each other and just take turns.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I feel like maybe before that have we like, I mean, I think that we had had off camera ones or things Yeah.
Off camera.
Yeah.
But like we would do both.
Yeah.
For me, like.
(33:22):
Just getting in that space of, of submission and, and opening myself up and it, it just takes a lot.
It's a specific head space.
Yeah.
And so I'd need a lot of time to get there.
Yeah.
And so I think because of that, it would always just be, you're gonna peg me today and that's gonna be what we do.
That's the thing.
Yeah.
Would you like prep yourself mentally before and then say like, I would like you to peg me, or like, how do you get into that space? You're open to sharing that? That's a good question.
(33:52):
I think it took a while because I think our first maybe five pegging videos, um, I'm not really in that space.
Yeah.
And so looking back on it now, like I can see for myself, like how, just in my head I am.
Um, and so I, something, something switched a couple years ago.
Um, I'm not exactly sure what it was, but I.
(34:14):
I just learned to like it a lot more of, of really allowing myself to be completely taken care of by you.
Yeah.
And since then I still need that time to mentally prepare.
Like we, I'll, I'll need to know at least a day or two in advance.
Yeah.
But once I have that day or two and it's like I can completely just submit and yeah.
(34:36):
Let you take over and.
I think it's like, it's a practice too.
Like people think, oh, I wanna try this thing.
It's like something I'm really into.
And then it's like if you're not immediately good at it, it could be really daunting and be like, oh, well maybe I don't really like it.
Or maybe I'm not good at this, so I'm not gonna try.
Especially anal play.
It hurts for the first times if you're not going slow.
(34:57):
Exactly.
Yeah.
I was like, it's just, it's not something.
And if it's brand new.
Like, you're not always gonna be just good at it.
Mm-hmm.
You know, like I had no idea how to, you know, fuck you.
I had no idea how to thrust, like in a way that wasn't jarring.
I'm like, and then I'm like stumbling back there.
(35:18):
I'm trying to be dominant when that's not my natural state.
Like it's not, you know, it was brand new for me too.
And so I think dropping into those head spaces was really difficult at first, but it's something that we.
Knew that we wanted to con continue trying and so we, we just fumbled for a little while and, you know, eventually found our way.
(35:43):
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, our first like few videos you can see, you can see the fumbling.
It's awkward.
It's so awkward.
I'm just like.
Thank you guys for watching this.
Yeah.
We have those as well, and they're so awkward, but not a lot of people pick up on the awkward.
They're like, oh my God, they're so hot.
They're so hot.
Yeah.
People kind of see what they want to see.
Yeah.
Are we watching the same thing because I like my legs are shaking.
(36:07):
I'm like, are you good? Are we done? I think also, if you don't know, our personality is like it's easy not to pick up on certain things.
Mm-hmm.
I guess that's true.
Yeah.
But Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys are good students.
Yeah.
You figured it out together.
You just have to be okay with failing.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, and I think, I think that's where a lot of people like struggle is when the fantasy doesn't match reality.
(36:30):
Yeah.
Then it's easy to give up.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Or place blame.
That's a big thing too.
Oh my god.
So easy to do.
It's like, oh, you weren't doing this, you weren't doing that.
And it's like, well, I'm not that person.
I'm sorry I've never done this before.
I need to practice.
Yeah.
So yeah, allowing time for practice and curiosity and fumbling.
(36:50):
Mm-hmm.
And messes and questions.
Like so many messes with lube, you guys.
Yes.
I use so much.
I was so nervous.
I'm like, that's 10 times the amount I can't touch anything.
I've gotten to the point that, exactly.
I've gotten to the point that when I'm applying lube now, I'll do it with gloves so that I can take the dust off.
That's so smart.
(37:11):
I've seen that.
And then I have clean hands and I'm like, okay.
But it took me.
'cause I was like, I can't touch myself.
I want to try that.
I can't touch anything.
Now, grab a camera, the really expensive equipment.
Yep.
So we, you gotta figure little things out that work for you.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Well, I'm glad you guys didn't give up.
Proud of you.
Yeah, proud of you guys.
(37:31):
Thanks.
Ooh.
Um, fun question.
What would you say is like a signature scene for you guys, if you have one? I have one that I think you guys, that I think of when I think of tab.
No names, but I wanna say, oh yeah.
Do you guys have a signature scene that you guys are like, known for or good at? I have one in, in my mind.
Okay.
But I'm very curious.
I know you first.
(37:52):
Oh yeah.
You go first.
You go first.
Okay.
So, um, when you first sign up to our page, there is.
At the very top, a 42 minute scene of us in our bed, in our old apartment.
Mm-hmm.
And that is like.
That's like peak tapping, no egg, but like, what is it? It's just us and we just go crazy on each other.
We start really sweet and you jump on me and we, we cuddle and we kiss and then I start grabbing your ass.
(38:17):
And then I start spanking your ass.
Tell me more.
Then what happens? And then you start riding my face Uhhuh.
And then I think you spit in my mouth and Oh, this is good.
Yeah.
And yeah, from there, this is just right on your page.
Yeah.
I'm like, perfect.
Yeah.
And then, and what happens? And then I think I.
Kind of throw you off of me and then tight, I start, I start doing things to you, and then I like that it just gets more and more intense and yeah, none of it was planned.
(38:42):
Yeah.
It's just like a primal circle of you guys.
It was just barrel fucking sex and it was awesome.
Bural fucking sex.
Yeah.
But yeah, it has like everything that, that we're known for like just weird positions like the Amazon position.
Yeah.
That's what we some weird think of when I think of you guys, you're so good at the Amazon position.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
And I've tried so many times, so I need you to train me.
(39:04):
It is.
Tricky.
And we didn't like, we stumbled upon that because we had a fan request it when like the very, very beginning when we first started and they asked for a custom of us doing Amazon, and I remember us googling like, what is this position? And we're staring at like.
Huh? How does that work? And like us stumbling, trying to get in the right po It's very funny.
(39:27):
It is a hard one to figure out at first, natural on a bed.
The guys have to, I think, has to have really flexible hips.
Mm-hmm.
And so I think that's where you excel, you know, because you can just bend him, oh my and God, he will go in any position.
I'm like.
What I would give to be able to move my body the way you do, but I, I can't.
(39:50):
It's cool.
Yeah.
That's why the role reversals there.
Yeah, that's true.
It's a good position.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
I think the one I think of is the, at your old apartment.
Yeah.
When you, when you were getting ready to move out and like the broom is empty.
Oh yeah.
Love that one.
I think there's like just a killer Amazon position, like angle lighting, like it's just.
That's like the backlighting coming in.
(40:12):
That was really good.
That was really good.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Yeah.
One of my favorite things about OnlyFans is it is kind of like set up like a Facebook feed.
Totally.
Totally.
And I check my OnlyFans more than any other social media and I'm just like, what are my friends up to? Oh my gosh.
They ped today and did a cream pie into his mouth.
Yes.
I was really excited about that.
(40:34):
Yeah, so I, I love seeing what you guys are up to.
Yeah, we did like a video in our old apartment actually, where it was really spur of the moment, and I, you.
Gave me a cream pie and I just like pushed you down and I like Oh yeah.
Pushed it into your mouth.
And we get comments on that video all the time, which is why I brought it in this last time.
(40:55):
I was like, we have to do this again.
Yeah.
We get positive feedback.
We'll do the things more like, yeah, you hear that? Tell me I did good.
Tell I did good.
I did a good job.
The more you shove me down and sit on my face, like the more, oh, you're always gonna enjoy that.
Yeah.
For that same, same.
Okay.
By the way, taking notes, shove them down on face.
(41:20):
Um, I was gonna say, so I know you mentioned it with like pegging and your styles of pegging, but um, that you've had some off camera, like pegging experiences and you've done things that you haven't actually captured.
Yeah.
Um, I know one thing that we always, you know, are navigating is how we balance intimacy.
On camera versus personal intimacy and what that balance should look like.
(41:43):
And so I I was just curious if you could share like, kind of how you guys approach that.
That's been a big thing for us recently, actually.
Um, I think people think that because we make adult content, we have sex a lot and we, I don't think we have sex as much as a lot of people think we do.
(42:05):
And so because we're not.
Always in that head space, we had this idea that we have to film everything.
Yeah.
Because it's not like we're having sex every day or multiple times a day or like most days of the week.
Uh, and you know, we want to be able to make content for the people who signed up for our page.
(42:28):
We want it to feel like there's value there and we.
Definitely burned out.
Mm-hmm.
We burned out really, really hard and we took a few months off of filming literally anything.
Uh, we just could not do that because it felt like it had creeped into our actual relationship.
(42:54):
It was like sex had become work.
Work.
Absolutely.
And that's not what it should be.
Uh, and so it took us a while of just not having sex.
And I think a lot of people were like, but you guys make porn.
Like, where's the sex? And I'm like, well, we're also people.
We're also people.
And we strive to have our content be as authentic as possible.
Yeah.
We're not gonna just, yeah.
(43:15):
If we're not in the mood, we're not gonna make it.
We're not gonna make it.
Yeah.
And so being human beings who also go through ups and downs, we just weren't having sex for a while, so we didn't film, and then we really focused on.
Being able to connect in our relationship and be intimate again before bringing the cameras back in.
(43:38):
And uh, I think since then we've had a much better balance where we're like, like normally like if we have morning sex, I would pull out my phone at least or something and try to catch a little bit or do this or that.
And.
I actively make sure I don't do that now.
'cause I'm like, well this is just us.
Yeah.
(43:59):
And I would like that to stay that way 'cause I want to make sure, like we both wanna make sure we're prioritizing our relationship.
'cause if we're not doing that, then our content sucks.
Right.
It's super performative and we don't do that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and this whole journey started because we.
We were living with family in really close quarters and we were not being intimate and we were not being intimate.
(44:21):
The whole idea of this was to prioritize our intimacy.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, at at, at the start, it was bringing the camera into it help, and as we evolved, it's like taking the camera back out outta it.
Oh, that's a really good, I like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was just gonna say, it can be so hard.
Because like everything can be an opportunity for content, everything, right? Yeah.
(44:44):
Like, not even sex, of course, but like just life trips or life like, you know, it's such a interwoven thing that we do.
Yeah.
You know, sharing our, our lives and the, you know, the marketing side of it is obviously not porn, so that even bleeds it outside of the bedroom.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, like, you know, there I can definitely think of times where, um, you know, we've had sex and I'm like, man.
(45:09):
I wish we would've filmed that.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, and at the same time, you know, I'm sure you've experienced this where you've tried to film it and it doesn't work out and you like get disappointed and you get upset.
You're like, but I had sex.
Like, shut up.
Stop it.
Yeah.
So it's 100%.
Yeah.
It's just such a interesting thing to have to like constantly navigate and just understand that like, no, not everything has to be captured.
(45:35):
Absolutely.
There needs to be things for us.
Yeah.
And like to this day, like we've had awesome sex on camera, but the best sex we've ever had is always off camera.
Always off camera.
Always.
Yeah.
I mean.
It's your sex.
Yeah.
I'm like, 'cause we're not thinking, oh, the camera's not in the right position.
This, the lighting is changing, blah, blah, blah, blah.
(45:56):
We're just with each other.
Just, yeah.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, for me, like when it comes to like just the setup process, like, you know, when you have sex you're like, all right, we're gonna have sex.
But when you're gonna film it, especially with, you know, the production that we've.
Created around it.
You're like, okay, I'm gonna spend an hour setting up cameras and lights and all of that, and you're like, okay, now I need an hour just to get out of that head space of just like I get a bone.
(46:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not just like, okay.
Be immediately wet.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it is really interesting, just like, you know, you talked about head spaces with pegging, it's almost the same thing.
It's like you gotta reset and pull back from that work mode so that you can Yeah.
Get back into that absolutely.
Intimate mode and Yeah.
And really make sure that it's the best experience you can capture.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And sometimes it's a struggle.
(46:43):
Sometimes it's really hard.
Mm-hmm.
Like, we've actually been working on that with like, in couples therapy, just like learning how to drop back into connecting before we start filming.
Mm-hmm.
And so, and like how we can communicate better.
Before we start filming so that we don't disconnect and stuff.
So wait, are you telling me that watching me fiddle with a camera for 30 minutes doesn't turn away? We are so aroused.
(47:06):
That's what I always, one step away from murder.
I now have sex.
I now have sex.
It's gonna be rage filled, but we could do it.
I don't hate that idea.
Yeah, that's, let's do that.
Make her ragey circle back.
(47:26):
So one thing that you talk about is removing, like shame and stigmas.
Are there anything that you guys have fell into or have seen with shame or stigma around any of the content that you have made? You should, like, touch on that.
I feel, um, no.
No.
I feel like.
(47:48):
Because we've had such a long journey together.
Mm-hmm.
I feel like before we started filming mm-hmm.
We kind of destroyed a lot of that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And now it's a, it's a safe space to, to film it, to put it out to the world and be like, Hey, like this is possible.
Yeah.
Like if you have the right partner and if you do the work, then anything can happen.
(48:11):
Yeah.
I think also it's like good to keep in mind though, that like.
Even when you have like the right partner in the right environment and stuff, there's still old stuff that sits inside of you that will pop up and affect your current relationship, even if it has nothing to do with it.
And you know, a lot of those things come from past experiences or from society or just like what you see out in the world.
(48:37):
And I think that our society has so much.
Shame in general around sex and just, you know, these are things are taboo.
You shouldn't be talking about them.
And just learning how to speak about it without that is such a struggle.
(48:59):
And I know we get like questions from people all the time, like, how do I talk to my partner about this? How do I talk to my partner about that? And it's so hard for so many of us because.
We were always taught not to talk about any of these things.
Mm-hmm.
And so like learning how to bring it up with the person who you're supposed to be closest with is so daunting for so many of us, just because we're told not to talk about it.
(49:21):
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and so like whenever we get those questions, I'm just like the, it's like ripping a bandaid off.
You just kind of have to.
Start, you know? Um, so I feel like, I don't know.
I like that our content really focuses on our communication and our authenticity.
Like us trying to be really genuine with sharing our actual sex life.
(49:45):
Mm-hmm.
Um, 'cause I think when people look at porn and stuff like that, a lot of them, so much of it is performative.
And so they think that's what it has to be.
Like.
They don't think they have to check in with their partner about like how they're doing or if this is working or, you know.
It's just super sexual and intense.
It's not goofy and laughy and stuff, or, or even, you know, they'll see our scenes, like your scenes or our scenes.
(50:09):
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, how do I get that? How do I get that? It's like there's.
Years.
Yeah.
Where are you guys at right now? It's just how you communicate with each other.
Like start square one.
Yeah.
I'm like again, have been together for 11 years.
We were not here at year one, two, or three, or four or four or five or six.
You know, like it takes time and that's okay.
(50:32):
Yeah, I was a little surp.
I, I wouldn't even say I was surprised.
I, I had no idea before stepping into the world of content creation, like how scary the internet actually is.
Oh gosh.
Um, and just like how you become kind of this like brunt of so much shameful projection.
Mm-hmm.
Um, especially until we started to post like funny Instagram reels about pegging or just when I would talk about like male pleasure in general, there's.
(50:58):
So much shame around so much, so much men's pleasure of expressing pleasure, making noise, talking, asking for their needs, prostate play.
Mm-hmm.
Like all of it was so, so shameful.
Yeah.
Um, that I didn't realize how important this work is.
Yeah.
Until we started to do it and.
I, I also commend you guys for being on that battle front because that's awesome.
(51:21):
Those comments can get really rough sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
They're intense.
It's, it would, it used to bother me and now it's, yeah.
It doesn't bother me.
It just feeds me.
It's so hilarious now, like, yeah.
Yeah.
It's ridiculous.
And it's really telling of just like the person that's exactly making the comment and it's, you know, there's only so many variations after a certain point you're like, yes, I like PAing, so I'm, I want to be with a man and leave my wife.
(51:45):
We do group play because we don't actually love each other.
Right.
Like, you know, there's just only so many variations of that you can hear before you're like, I've already heard that.
Yeah.
It doesn't bother me.
Exactly.
So it is very telling.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we get, I'm sure you guys do as well.
We get, we have incredible fans.
Oh my God.
The best that come in and they're just like, thank you guys for talking about this.
(52:06):
Yeah.
Or I've never told anybody this before.
Like, can I ask you a question? Mm-hmm.
Of creating this safe space and we, you.
We do that through like approachability and funny humor.
Mm-hmm.
And being able to just kind of break down that wall.
And I think you guys do that really well.
As, as well.
Thank you.
Yeah, I think, I think all four of us do that really well.
It's really awesome.
And I, I love getting those messages from fans who are just like, oh, I really wanna, you know, explore this.
(52:32):
Like, do you have any advice? How is this for you? And then like, gain the messages being like, oh my God, okay.
I brought it up to my partner and they're into it and like we're.
Starting to explore my bisexuality, or I'm starting to explore, you know, rimming, pegging, whatever it is, you just turn into like a cheerleader.
Oh my God.
I get so excited.
I'm like.
Get it.
Get it.
Fucking get it.
(52:54):
Because that's, I mean, that's missing in so many people's lives is this safe space and then this validation and this praise of like, no, I'm gonna champion this with you.
This was huge.
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm so proud of you.
You're such a slu.
Yeah.
It's not the best.
This is the best.
Yeah.
So what do you guys like to do outside of creating content? If you're, if you're not.
In the world online is having no name doing offline.
(53:17):
I'm probably reading.
You're probably reading.
I'm so boring you guys.
You are not boring.
I mean, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I am.
You're perfect.
Like if I could not talk to anybody and just be in a room all by myself, I would be so happy.
Love that fantasy for you.
(53:37):
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm in a room.
There's nobody there.
I got a book.
I got many books.
Sun's coming in.
Perfect.
I mean, you have like a master's in creative writing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're a big deal.
You're really smart.
I also like writing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Writing's really fun.
Yeah, you're very creative.
I like being creative.
Yeah.
If I can write, I can paint, I can, I don't know, build something.
(54:00):
You're making your own cosplay outfits, like I know it's starting to come along.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it.
So.
Yeah.
I just, I wanna create, wanna create.
Yeah.
We like creating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cool.
What about you? What do you like to do? I'm, I'm a nature slut.
Such a slut.
Yeah.
Dear Lord.
I like being outside.
Yeah.
Hiking, backpacking.
(54:22):
I've gotten more into it.
You have? Yeah.
It's actually quite impressive.
Took a while.
It's a hard thing to do.
Yeah.
Three nights outside with me.
Yeah.
I think threes like the longest I will take that I've done.
Yeah.
I don't like the sound of nature.
Sometimes I'm gonna be real with you guys.
Like the animals or the thunder? Like all of it.
Of it.
Just all of it.
I'm simulator.
(54:43):
It's the waves on the beach.
Yeah.
I fucking hate the waves.
Isn't, or the sound of the river.
Ugh.
I had no idea.
That's like what we search for.
Like this is heaven right now.
Like I feel at peace.
It's so goddamn loud you guys.
I just wanna be like.
(55:03):
Shut up.
And I love that like balance, balance and duality for both of you like brings down a little bit and the fact that you still come out with me is pretty amazing.
Yeah, I do really like, I make it sound like I hate it.
I really love it.
It's just, you know, usually it's not your choice.
Or I guess what would you say it's not No, I really love it.
I think you helped me gain an appreciation for nature.
(55:26):
Uh, it's just 'cause I didn't grow up.
Like in that environment, going outside and camping.
Like I never did that as a kid.
Yeah.
Uh, so you really helped me, you know? Appreciate that and have shown me some really beautiful places where it's like, oh shit, I get it.
This is like the stuff people write.
Good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But at night when I'm trying to go to sleep and fucking ocean, ocean, fuck up.
(55:51):
I know.
I, that's when I start to lose my mind.
I'm just like, yeah.
I know people like get sound machines to specifically listen to this, but I am not a fan.
I know a crackling fire, like a campfire barf.
I'm also like just convinced that there's probably somebody in the woods like waiting to murder me.
That's the paraia.
(56:12):
The paranoia is, that's the creative.
I'm just like, and then this will happen and this will happen.
I've read this, I've read about, oh.
I have, man, when I was in grad school and I was reading people's short stories.
Do you, how many people wrote horror in my program? Dear Horror fucking scarred me for life.
I love it.
Any go? All right.
One question we ask everybody that's on here is, what is your favorite kind of aftercare? Oh, that's a good question.
(56:38):
Hmm.
Lots of snuggles.
Snuggles and food.
Oh yeah.
I forgot that.
I need, I'm so hungry.
Like sweets, savory, all of it.
Probably both.
Okay.
I think I usually go towards start savory.
Start savory and sweet.
But uh, I think it's lots of cuddles.
(56:58):
Yeah.
For us.
Just holding.
Just holding.
Yeah.
Forehead kisses, nose kisses.
Lots of goofiness.
Like we weird noises.
They're so weird.
That's a you like.
Just sloth out on me where you just are like, oh, like God, good.
Toothless, no good toothless.
No.
Yeah, something weird.
(57:18):
You guys are the grossest, cutest things I've ever seen.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Oh, it's perfect.
Cool.
We love that.
Well, thank you guys for being here with us.
Thank you for having us.
You can find Tabby no name on Instagram on all of the adult sites.
Is there anywhere else? Everyone can find you? I mean, literally anywhere.
(57:39):
Literally everywhere, except nature.
I mean, you'll find us there too, but I'll be complaining the whole time.
Yes, you just your little brat just walking up the guys.
I'm such a fucking brat.
Such a brat.
I'll be carrying your backpack for you.
This happened.
I love it.
Love it.
Well, thank you for tuning in with us and sharing this last hour with us.
(58:03):
You know where to find us, sunny in sky.com
and I hope you always stay curious and kinky.
See you later.
Thank you.
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