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April 21, 2025 12 mins

At This Time, Eric talks with Arturo Natella, a recruiting expert who’s flipped the script on hiring by focusing on outcomes, not guesswork. Arturo breaks down why copy-paste job descriptions and vague interviews lead to bad hires—and how to fix them. They dive into performance-based hiring, reference check red flags, and what candidates should look for to build real career mobility. Whether you're hiring or job hunting, this one’s full of tough love and tactical gems. Check out his company Amaru.

Host: Eric DeSobe; IG: / edesobe

Guest: Arturo Natella; add him on LinkedIn

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