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Welcome back to episode eight of The Roar. I'm your host, Paul Gray,
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the lead of marketing and events at the ADA and today I have with me Sean Kilkenny,
the leader of advocacy and deer management. Welcome Sean.
G'day Paul, good to be here. Good to have you here once again.
This month we're just going to touch on the wildlife game regulations and the outcomes from that.
A bit of an update on the central highlands. The third one we're going to go
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through is a combination of some of the events that we have coming up.
The monthly members giveaway, the ultimate deer hunter raffle,
the shot expo and the hog deer ballot to kick it off we'll look at the wildlife game regulations,
what was the outcome of the game regulations short pretty
happy to see the other side of the regulations now there's
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a little bit of a stressful period there but now we can talk about the outcomes
of the regs we can focus on what actually is relevant to deer hunters per se
we'll work through them in no particular order but one that we all will experience
where the increase in game license fees.
Now that would effectively mean for a deer hunter from $65 a year, we'll now be paying $88.
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There was discussion within the regulatory impact statement to try and attempt
to do full cost recovery.
And that would have seen the cost blow out to $120.
So thankfully it's landed at the $88, which is an increase, which we'd rather
know increase, but the reality was there is. So it is a reduced increase.
And effectively, the way this has been calculated is that the full cost recovery
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of effectively the GMA minus what they spend on the research projects is where it's landed.
So the more they spend on research projects, then the bigger the discount.
And that's how we've managed to land at $88.
So it is an increase, but I suppose
there probably is an expectation that everything's going up at the moment.
That's the cost of living that we're dealing with.
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Another little one that's, look, it's not a big thing, but this was an opportunity in time to do it.
For a few years now, we've been banging the drum about trying to get people's
addresses removed from their game license because it was of no purpose.
And should you lose your wallet somewhere, someone that has a game license,
it would obviously imply that they could own a firearm.
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So there was that security element to it. but the game license in itself is not a...
Legitimate form of identification you can't use that like your car license for example so,
there was actually no need to have that on there to get that tidied
up we needed the regulatory review so we'll manage to get that done
here so when you get your new game licenses they shouldn't have your address
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on there which is pretty good so people won't know that you live at 742 evergreen
terrace we'll see if anyone gets
that joke the deer decoys so this one's a little little bit different.
61% of people supported the introduction of deer decoys.
I'm not convinced that 61% of deer hunters will use them. The reality is now
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that you do have that choice.
Bear in mind that if you do use a deer decoy, there is a obligation to have
a minimum size blaze orange requirement on there.
That was put in for a safety thing, which it's safe to say the industry didn't
necessarily agree to, but this was the reality of that change going through.
But ultimately i don't think that's actually going to affect many
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people another interesting one which
is actually quite good it's one that we always assume that
this is how people behave but it's actually good to have a regulatory support behind
this and that's the reasonable effort to dispatch a struck deer so basically
if you shoot a deer you then have to make a reasonable attempt to ensure that
you then dispatch it humanely that's something that had widespread support and
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we'll fully preach that to everybody.
You should be doing that anyway, but should you not now, there is now a regulatory
stick that can be waved at you, which is quite positive.
The final one, which is probably the most material that came out of the review
for what actually got through was the now legalization of handheld thermals.
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What this means is now you you can use a handheld thermal, so effectively something like a monocular.
Isn't attached to a firearm that's now
come in that's i suppose for some
people that's a pretty hard pill to swallow so we appreciate that
it doesn't necessarily accord with the way some people like to conduct their
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hunting and hunting is an incredibly individual pursuit so we understand that's
not gonna be easy for some it was fairly popular in its the feedback from the regs from From memory,
in the government's response to the stakeholder feedback,
they also received quite strong support.
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The majority of submissions supported the reform, and there was a minority that
expressed strong opposition to it.
So that's not exactly dissimilar to the survey that we conducted with members.
So that seems to be reflected across the whole spectrum.
What's interesting is this is a reality of the modern world that we live in
with technology encroaching upon everyday lives. New South Wales in 2022 brought in similar changes.
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And just a few months ago, New Zealand also brought in something similar.
So this seems to be regulations trying to keep up with technology.
Change will always be a challenge for some. But end of the day,
how you hunt and what you consider fair chase is always up to the individual.
As long as it's within the law, then yeah, it's your decision how you want to go about it.
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Where to from here? also when these changes
come into effect so the new regs actually came
into effect on september 7 it's quite a quick turnaround from the close of the
regulatory impact statement they gather the feedback on that they've already
drafted the regs so when they did the regulatory impact statement they also
released a draft of the regs so this is what it will be if we don't have to make any changes.
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Based on the feedback from the regulatory impact statement and their decision,
they then make any tweaks required to the draft and then basically bumps your
ankle, that's what they push through.
So it all happens fairly quickly at the pointy end of the spear.
And that's why these are all in effect as of September 7.
And what didn't happen? The big news out of it was what they didn't do.
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And that was fortunate in that they didn't continue to pursue the path of regulating
out the use of lead ammunition.
We identified this pretty early as being one of the big issues that we wanted to fight.
We spent a lot of time and effort in advocating to ensure we got a good outcome on that.
I think you put the moz on me in our REG review deep dive about what outcome we might get.
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And I was a little bit confident that we could until it's done, it's not done.
But thankfully the government did listen to our concerns and that was shared
across all organizations and yeah most hunters as well that banning the use
of lead affinition was not you know a good outcome or good regulatory reform
it is worth noting to people though that whilst.
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There is a circuit breaker in place now that, hey, we're not about to deal with
a regulatory new landscape that imposes this upon people.
The conversation regarding lead and its use in the environment or potentially
hunting, et cetera, will not go away. It will resurface.
I don't know when, could be five, 10 years time, but the
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reality is that this is a subject that won't
go away and we need to be a part of that as much
as we can and educate ourselves as hunters and
know that we need to be in a position to to deal with
that moving forward so for now we don't have to make
any changes but just letting people know that one day
this will come back up all right we'll jump over now to the
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central highlands has there been any movement in that
area probably the most exciting thing there's
not many exciting things that happen in this game but last month the victorian
premier was at the herald sun bush summit in bendigo which is my My understanding
is that an annual gathering there where politicians of state and federal have
the ability to engage and talk about regional issues, hence it's called the Bush Summit.
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Whilst there, the one thing that would make sense or was relevant to recreational
deer hunters was the premier decided to speak on the issue of public land.
And whilst doing so, this has obviously been a hot topic for us on the back
of the cessation of native timber harvesting and the review of the central highlands.
And she came out and made the statement
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that I won't be putting a padlock on our
public forest it's not who I am and it's not what I
believe which was pleasingly to hear the reality is like this in itself does
not mean a conversation or the subject is finished there's still a huge body
of work to do regarding you know moving from that statement into a policy outcome
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or a policy position or to the legislation.
And that's what we'll continue to do. And yeah, look, we'll keep banging that drum.
It's good to see that our message is being heard, but by no means is it over.
I guess the consistency in the conversation is pleasing though.
It is. We'll look back to June when the Minister for Outdoor Rec and Environment,
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Minister Tomopoulos, made similar comments on the ABC radio at the time, 774.
He said something along the lines of, the government is
not looking at creating new national parks and that's not their the
policy we published that at the time and when
they continue to make positive statements regarding
an outcome that we're seeking we will obviously
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spread that because part of it is that we're going to hold them to it but the
good news is that there seems to be a degree of consistency about not wanting
to lock the bush up or the creation of a national park plenty of water to go
under the bridge but it is pleasing or heartening to hear a degree of consistency.
And where to from here? What sort of timeframes are we looking at?
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It's interesting because the reality is the Great Outdoors Task Force doesn't
have to report back till next year.
The government won't be in a terribly quick decision or pay.
They're not going to be in a rush to make a decision either before that.
I know there have been discussions when the Great Outdoors Task Force was launched,
they did flag that if there's things they could do earlier, they would.
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I'm not necessarily sure that might happen. Hopefully they could. it's
politics it all depends on what's on the reform agenda at the time
we also probably didn't have to bear in mind that 2026
the next year of election isn't that far away either
in the world of politics so it could
be that between now and then they frame up a policy that they'll bring to the
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next election i don't know that's forecasting a little bit but what's important
between now and then whenever then is that we continue to hold politicians publicly
to account what they say if they make promising noises on things we will publish
that but the reason behind that is because.
It's a matter of public record and that's something that we can then prosecute
with them nice and positive we'll jump over to the last section for this month
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yes this is where i can harass you for some answers paul each month you obviously
run the monthly members giveaway,
and we recently just completed the august one so who is our lucky punter yeah
so we've had Michael Guffrey win the Drifter fire pit and it's been great.
I've been able to bring in some new items as well.
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The Drifter last month and Olight coming up for September, which will be exciting.
And we'll continue to find new products and new brands to include in the giveaway.
And to be eligible or you need to be as a member, is that correct?
Very much so. Financial member who's current at a given time when I draw it.
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That drifter kit looked like a nice, tidy bit of kit, actually.
Keen to hear the feedback yeah awesome and you've
also recently launched the ultimate deer hunters raffle
yeah that's been going now for just over a
week it's probably pushing half the tickets are sold already fantastic i'll
just jump through some big prizes to win first prize is an aaron grant red deer
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hunt in queensland second is the fellow deer hunt in new south wales third is
a pair of Zeiss 10xSFL binos. They're lightweight, aren't they?
They are, and they've been supplied by our friends at OSA.
Thank you, OSA. Fourth is another two-day guided samba hunt with Paul Bogue.
Fifth prize is the Stony Creek $1,000 voucher.
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Sixth prize jumps down to the Modern Hunter. They're supplied a Maven rangefinder
and a bino rig from Stryver.
Two to go. Seventh prize is the Carnivore Collective 10-litre electric stuffer.
Yeah, and it's even got the foot control, so that's quite handy.
Yep. It'll put my little five-liter hand-operated one to shame.
Who knows where we upgrade in the future. And then the final prize,
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which I think most people would be very happy to win, is a pair of crispy Valdez
Evo boots, and it's a bit of a package there as well with a few other products.
That's fantastic. Usually when you get to the end of some of the raffles,
you get a bit nervous about winning a stubby holder, But I think the strength
of the last prize is that Crispy Boots package.
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There's no bad prizes. They're all grouse. And so thank you all to the sponsors.
Their support is well received.
Very much so it's just a shame that i can't enter myself and when does the draw
happen actually to let people know so we're drawing that in early october all
the details are on raffling.com,
you'll find the links to the tickets via all the normal things by the member email.
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Facebook instagram it's in the bio there as well so or you can reach out to
me if you have any issues trying to find it yep and well we'll be sure to let
you know anyway there'll be some Emails and text messages between now and the end.
We've also got another expo coming up.
We do. So the SSAA Shot Expo is coming up on the weekend of the 19th and 20th of October.
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It's at the showgrounds once again, which is going to be a big event. We will be there.
We have said to members, we've got some new stickers that we've just released.
If you're a member of the ADA, swing past on the day, say hello and pick up
a free sticker. No one can say no to a free sticker.
They look great on the back of the four-wheel drive.
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And these expos are great for obviously not only just the industry,
but it's a good chance wherever they are in the country for people to be able
to members swing past and say g'day and engage and just have a yarn.
We live in a world where we all run away and do our own thing,
so it is a good opportunity to be able to engage and meet people from other branches.
Quite often the stand is full of ADA members, so it's a good opportunity to
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put names to faces and say g'day. So please do.
That'll be a busy weekend, but yeah, worth it.
Fantastic. And rounding it out, we have the hog deer ballot.
Yeah, the hog deer ballot is open at the moment. It's already been well received.
It closes on the 30th of October, so you still have time to get yourself into the ballot.
The Blonde Bay Hog Deer Advisory Group will announce the drawing date,
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which I assume will be early to mid-November.
Yep, that'll be pretty quick. And then hopefully my name gets drawn out again.
Snake Island would be nice. And hopefully this time you might be able to see
a hoggy instead of a samba.
Yeah, true. No, I saw a couple last time, but one was after dark and one was
on private property that didn't want to park its head back in. There you go.
That's the joys of public land hunting, right? You don't get a choice.
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It's all a little bit of, you need a bit of luck.
No, but look, it was worthwhile. Great adventure in itself. And I learned a lot during that week.
And you also get to meet a lot of good people along the way.
I think that's one of the events or ballots such as these does bring out the
social side in deer hunters and you do meet some good like-minded folk.
It's definitely worthwhile reaching
out to the other winners on your particular period if you do get it.
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Touch base because if you can coordinate your plans, you only want to increase
your chances of success.
And that's one of the reasons or one of the great outcomes of the hunter
education weekend that we run for the winners is that
it's a great opportunity to spend a couple of days with people that you could
be hunting with for a week and coordinating whether
it's logistically how you get to and fro somewhere or
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who might be doing what where you know
you want to be there to work together and enhance each other's opportunities and
not detract from it and these are we got to to do that by working together
yeah and the hog deer education weekend look it's
fantastic for myself to but partake in that this
year i'd also recommend people reach out to previous
people who have hunted that particular area especially the
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same time of year the more people you speak to the more knowledge you
can pick up beforehand it's definitely valuable and hunters
are always quite willing to share it like they're always quite willing to put their
stories in the magazine and they're always quite approachable so don't
be afraid to give it a go i reckon we've wrapped it
up we have that's another episode done and
dusted thank you to everyone for listening and make sure you like and share
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and push it out amongst your friends it's pleasing to be able to engage and
share the information with everybody on the podcast it's well received and we
look forward to continuing it and yeah being a part of your news feed very much
thanks for your time today day, Sean. Thank you, Paul.
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