In this conversation, Ryan Anderson interviews Dr. Dan Engle about the use of psychedelics as medicine and the challenges of scaling this approach. Dr. Dan Engle is a psychiatrist with a clinical practice that combines aspects of regenerative medicine, psychedelic research, integrative spirituality, and peak performance. Dr. Engle shares his background in medicine and psychiatry, as well as his personal experiences with ayahuasca and traumatic brain injuries. Dr. Dan talks about the importance of integrating the shadow side and addressing the potential risks and challenges of scaling psychedelic therapy. In this conversation, Ryan questions the medical model and the challenges of scaling the therapeutic model as well as the potential for harm if not done properly. Ryan points out some of the issues with MAPS and other organizations that he feels should be brought to light. Ryan emphasizes the need to question authority and points out periods of time where psychedelics have been used for harm and abuse throughout history. Ryan brings up MK-ULTRA and the shadow side of the psychedelic renaissance as well as the harms caused in the past by big Pharma with the opioid / oxycontin epidemic. Dr.Dan emphasizes the importance of training and education in the psychedelic field and the need for facilitators to have their own transformative experiences. They touch on the dark side of the psychedelic movement and the importance of integrity and accountability and open dialogue to allow for broader conversations to take place. Dan and Ryan speak about integration as an important component of these experiences.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
16:48 Bridging the Gap: Communicating Psychedelic Medicine to our culture
29:07 The Role of Ayahuasca and Traumatic Brain Injuries in Dr. Engle's Journey
38:11 Scaling Psychedelic Therapy: Addressing Risks and Challenges
45:19 The Importance of Shadow Integration in Psychedelic Healing
47:18 Longitudinal Studies and the Future of Psychedelic Therapy
48:46 Building Fellowship and Community in Transformative Times
59:31 Addressing the Dark Side of the Psychedelic Movement
01:05:47 Faith and Inner Authority in Navigating Life's Challenges
01:19:41 The Importance of Integrity and Accountability
01:26:46 Stay Curious and Dig Deep: Finding Meaning and Purpose
Intro and exit music used: Strange the dreamer by Savfk - www.youtube.com/@sav
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Dr. Dan Engle is a psychiatrist with a clinical practice that combines aspects of regenerative medicine, psychedelic research, integrative spirituality, and peak performance.
His medical degree is from the University of Texas in San Antonio. His psychiatry residency degree is from the University of Colorado in Denver, and his child and adolescent psychiatry fellowship degree is from Oregon Health & Science University.
Dr. Engle is an international consultant to several global healing centers facilitating the use of long-standing indigenous plant medicines for healing and awakening. He is the founder of Full Spectrum Medicine, a psychedelic integration and educational platform; and Thank You Life, a non-profit funding stream supporting access to psychedelic therapies.
Dr. Engle is the author of The Concussion Repair Manual: A Practical Guide to Recovering from Traumatic Brain Injuries, as well as his new book, A Dose of Hope: A Story of MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy.
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