BeTempered Episode 40 - Defining Moments: Dr. Matt Roberts’ Journey of Resilience and Growth

What are the moments in your life that have truly defined you? Join co-host Dan Schmidt and Ben Spahr in an intriguing conversation with Dr. Matt Roberts as he shares his journey of resilience, growth, and balance. From his humble beginnings in West Alexandria, Ohio, to the traumatic high school car accident that shaped his outlook, Matt's story is a testament to finding strength in adversity. Hear about the unexpected twists that molded his path, including meeting his high school sweetheart and the profound impact of sports in his upbringing.

As Matt transitioned to college basketball, his story took on new layers of complexity. He faced the highs and lows of collegiate sports, including unforgettable experiences like a visit to Michael Jordan's restaurant and a pivotal confrontation with a coach that altered his perspective. Discover how these challenges, combined with the unwavering support of his parents, taught him valuable lessons about perseverance and self-advocacy. Matt's reflections on his journey illustrate the determination needed to pursue one’s passions, both on and off the court.

The episode also explores Matt's transition into the chiropractic profession, sparked by personal experiences and guided by influential mentors. Witness the excitement and hurdles of building a business from scratch, as Matt candidly discusses the challenges of gaining credibility and overcoming financial obstacles. Alongside these professional tales, Matt opens up about the transformative experience of parenthood, the unexpected health crisis that tested his family's resilience, and the powerful role of faith and community in navigating life's trials. This episode offers a rich narrative of triumph, gratitude, and unwavering strength — a must-listen for anyone seeking inspiration in their own life journey.

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Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's up everybody?
Welcome to the Be Temperedpodcast, episode number 40.
40.
Yes sir.
The weather's changing.
We went from the deep freeze tonow we're just freezing.
To go back to the deep freeze.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, matt and I will be in the deep freeze.
You'll not be in the deepfreeze, I'll be a hundred degree
temperature difference nextweek.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'll be thinking about you, boys.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm sure you will.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
So today I have a good friend who's here who's got
a pretty cool story uh, growingup in small town USA to opening
up his own practice running abusiness, has an amazing family
and an amazing story.
So we are happy to welcome DrMatt Roberts to the Be Tempered

(01:36):
podcast.
Thank you, glad to be here, man,excited, excited to have you.
So, matt, you know how we dothis.
We always start off withtelling your story about
childhood and growing up, sogive us a little background for
those that don't know you.
So, matt, you know how we dothis.
We always start off withtelling your story about
childhood and growing up, sogive us a little background for
those that don't know you.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Grew up in West Alexandria.
My whole life went to TwinValley South.
Great parents had a oldersister who was, you know, she
was a senior when I was afreshman, so she's three years
older than me, so we actuallygot to go to high school
together.
A little bit Just great home,great family.
My dad kind of the school hardknocks guy and my mom was more

(02:13):
the faith-based and you know, ifyou don't have anything nice to
say, don't say anything at all.
So my mom is that way kind ofspiritual and my dad is, you
know, if you don't do somethingyou're going to get it.
And and he's he kind of is onethat pushed me in that direction
.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, so growing up in little in a little West
Alexandria, Ohio, played somesports.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Oh yeah, sports was a huge part of my life.
I can remember my dad settingup the giant video camera in the
back in the backyard and thenpitching balls to me over and
over and over.
And then we'd go in and takethe big VHS tape, put it in and
he would say, okay, see howyou're stepping out.
And then we'd go back and we'ddo it again and again.
So baseball was huge, playedbasketball and, of course,

(03:02):
played football as well.
That's the beauty of going to asmaller school Got to play all
the sports you know really endedup loving basketball.
I was a better baseball playerway better baseball player but
we had some success in highschool and that kind of pushed

(03:23):
me that direction.
That's kind of where all my youknow, my friend, my really good
friends we were.
We were pretty tight and, uh,had a pretty good team.
So it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
You did.
Yeah, it was run and gun andhighs were that.
We're the same age, bothgraduated 97.
And uh, yeah, you had a verytalented, uh, group of of young
men um playing basketball therewere.
There was a critical eventduring high school that happened
with a car accident, so can youkind of talk about that a
little bit?

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Well, at first I thought you were talking about
meeting my high schoolsweetheart.
Well, you can talk about itCritical event.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
That's a critical event.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's probably the most critical event.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
No yeah, not to throw this off, but yeah, I met my
wife current wife met her inhigh school and we've dated high
school sweethearts and so I wasa.
I can remember I was asophomore and I came home and I
said, hey, I'm dating thehottest girl in the freshman
class and pretty much dated allmy sophomore year.

(04:21):
I might've made a littlemistake in breaking up with her
during the summer to have some,you know, to have some fun, go
on vacation or something.
And then my junior year gotback together and we, we it's
history ever since.
So, but yeah, the the one youknow thing that happened during

(04:42):
high school is we.
You know we had a great junioryear.
You know thing that happenedduring high school is we, you
know we had a great junior yearand uh, so we were looking our
senior year was going to be evenbetter.
Uh, we were at a friend's house.
We left the friend's house, itwas weather about like it is now
, road was slick and my, myfriend, uh just didn't make the
turn on Shields Road, uh, andhit in and I thought, okay, it

(05:06):
was a hard hit, we weren't goingfast, but going into the ditch,
into the culvert, and I thought, man, it was a hard hit.
And then all of a sudden I feltthe end of the car flip over.
And then I saw my buddy, chadVorce, who is one of the best
basketball players in thehistory of Twin Valley South

(05:27):
maybe Preble County saw himflopping all around the car and
we had our seatbelts on butflipped end over end twice and
then rolled twice, landed on thewell, I guess one and a half
times, ended up on the roof andI look over and he's laying
there because the back of hisseat broke off and I'm hanging

(05:47):
from my seat belt and you know Ithought he was knocked out and
I thought, you know, oh my gosh,my friend's dead.
So I clipped the seat belt fallinto the windshield.
I had busted the side windowout.
Luckily I got a hard headbecause I busted that out with
my head and there was a spot onthe windshield where I hit two

(06:08):
somehow Staggered up to a housethere on Shields Road and the
lady.
You know, because I was bleedingall over the place.
You know, when you get cut withglass, small little shards of
glass.
It was on my hand.
I had a bad cut but justbleeding everywhere and I just
said I need.
I need blankets, which shethought you know, cause I needed

(06:28):
to cover and all I could thinkof was getting out there and
covering my friend up.
So I got out there and coveredhim up.
While I was hanging upside down, our other friends left and
they passed us.
We were so far out in the fieldthat they they didn't even see
us because our lights were out.
But you know, god was watchingover us.
Chad ended up with, you know, abroken collarbone, broken jaw

(06:53):
from hitting the console and Iliterally had cuts and some, you
know, a little bit of aconcussion.
Believe it or not, it wasNational Trail that I had to to.
That was the very next game.
Set out that game because Icouldn't, couldn't play.
But the one thing I did bringis I brought a picture.
So when they went to pick upthe car, there were two of these

(07:16):
in the car in the field.
His, his parents did not putthese in the car and I still
have it.
Right.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
And for those that that can't or aren't watching,
or you're listening, kind of,it's a picture of Jesus and what
does it say?

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Picture of Jesus and it says I am with you always.
So that was kind of a turningpoint in my life, because I was,
I was, I grew up in church.
Mom took me to church, dad tookme to church, but I went to
church.
Right, I mean, I think we'veall been there.
I went I went to church.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Right, and so it was kind of like that was an eye
opener for me that hey, you know, I they, they literally of
course they don't know, but theysaid you guys shouldn't, guys
shouldn't be alive, and thankgoodness you had your seatbelts
on.
So that was kind of a turningpoint for me to go.
Maybe I need to step back andlook at my life, look at my

(08:13):
faith.
Now, I was only like 18 yearsold too, so you know how your
brain works when you're 18.
You're invincible, Right.
But that was a big moment.
It was kind of it's just coolbecause Chad still has his.
I still got mine, you know, andChad was one of the most, I

(08:33):
don't know, one of the bestexamples.
His dad's a pastor.
Yeah, he just I never heard theguy say a cuss word all the way
through sports.
Yeah, he prayed before everymeal, and so, like when he saw
that too, it's like wow, youknow, I'm like thank goodness I
got in a wreck with Chad atleast.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
So it changed your perspective a little bit as a
young kid A hundred percent.
So what'd it look like movingforward from there for you?

Speaker 5 (09:02):
So, um, I decided to play basketball, like I said.
So I went to Wilmington College, Division III.
I can remember going to someopen gyms and, you know,
thinking, you know, you thinkDivision III, you know, should
be going be just fine.
And then you have these guysthat maybe weren't good enough

(09:23):
to play at the D1 level, butthey were tall, maybe not big
enough, maybe not fast enough,but they were really good
athletes who were from maybe asmaller school, but they were
player of the year in theirconference.
And so I knew right away likethis is going to be a challenge
for me, because I wasn't eventhe best player on my own

(09:44):
basketball team in high school.
Um, I was the, I was thedefensive juggernaut, I was, uh,
you know, if something got alittle rough, believe it or not,
the little guy got pushed tothe front and they knew they
knew that, that I had their back.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Are you saying that maybe you threw some punches in
high school?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Um no comment no comment.
Maybe you know what?
I never.
I never got a technical foul orany.
And because I knew here's theother thing that's why I got
good grades.
Uh, because I wanted to playsports, uh, that's why I didn't
get in a fight or anything,because in at at South, if you
got a, a technical foul, youwere out the rest of the game.

(10:26):
Okay, and maybe the next game.
That was the coach's rule, yeah, and so I want to play right,
um, so I was right on the edgeyeah, I was right on the edge I
tried to get the other guy tohit me.
Usually okay, but uh, but youknow, you know that that when I
got to college, you know, Ithought, oh, this is it, this is
it.
First two scrimmages, first 11games, zero playing time.

(10:50):
But I was also thinking, okay,I'm a freshman, right, so 12th
game in Chicago.
My parents went to every singlegame, even when I set the bench
100% of the time, and so theywere in chicago.
Uh, you know, I didn't think Iwas going to play in the
tournament the next day.

(11:11):
So I'm like, hey, can you takeme to michael jordan's
restaurant so we actually go out.
I probably stayed out a littlebit past the curfew and, uh, I
remember, the walkthrough thenext day coach is like roberts,
you know, do you know this?
Do you know that I, like, I'vebeen at every practice.
I'm a straight A student, like Ithink I know.
Next, next game I played.

(11:31):
You know I didn't start but Iplayed 28 minutes and then from
there I started to start andplay and, um, but you know, now
you're really excited about it.
You know I think like, andpeople start coming to watch you
play locally when we had homegames.
But I think the one lesson Ilearned from that is that you
can't allow something that'soutside to bring you the joy

(11:56):
right.
Right, because you're always,if you focus on that as what
brings you joy and satisfaction,and that's the only thing it
was running my life.
So it was.
If I played well and I got toplay, man, I was, I was happy.
If I didn't, uh, I, I just Iwasn't fun to be around.
I felt bad for, you know, mygirlfriend Izzy at the time, um,

(12:20):
and so it didn't go exactly theway I wanted it to because it
was very and I won't get intothe details but, um, I basically
got in a fight with my coach soyou talk about that like
physical, because he wasphysical.
So, uh, I called my dad and mydad said I said what do I do?
Hit him back.

(12:41):
That was my dad.
Yeah, that that was my dad.
Yeah, that that was my dad whenI was six years old.
That was my same, so, um, youknow.
Long story short, went tojunior year, um, sophomore year,
I did punch somebody, gotkicked out against mount st
joe's never, uh won't go intodetails, but uh, again I I

(13:07):
punched a guy and uh got kickedout should have gotten kicked
out.
And and coach never said a wordto me, nothing, nothing, Um,
and and looking back as an adult, it's like man, the coach
should have like ripped me andand and made an example in front
of in front of the team.

(13:28):
But instead I played.
We had a tournament gameagainst Anderson the next game
and because the the commissionerruled it a flagrant foul, not a
flagrant fight I was out that Igot kicked out that game.
But I got to play the next game28 minutes or the next game 28
minutes.
That game I played Really.

(13:49):
Mm-hmm, so no discipline fromthat, nope, no discipline.
From that Go out my junior yearand honestly it was a rough
year because he would play you agame and sit you out the entire
game and never give you areason why.
So I didn't really want to playbut I played for my parents.
My dad, because they supportedme, went out and when you're an

(14:13):
athletic training major so Imajored in athletic training,
sports management you have tocover sports.
So I was covering football.
You cover a different one yourjunior year every month.
So you get experience Coveringsports.
But I was doing everything thatwas non-mandatory and, honestly

(14:33):
, I was in the best shape ofanyone on the team.
So it comes down to the firstscrimmage and at a small school
like that, a lot of people comeout to that first scrimmage so
they can see what the team'sgoing to be like and you also
get a ton of new recruits in.
As you know, every year theremight be 15 freshmen that come

(14:54):
in.
They may not all make it, but15 freshmen, but I figured okay,
I'm going to be a junior.
28 minutes in the most importantgame of the season.
Last year we played three20-minute halves with six
minutes to go.
In the third 20-minute half, hetold me to go in after he
played every single person onthe bench.
So at that point I had to makea decision.

(15:14):
I'd never quit anything in mylife and I just kind of looked
at him and said no.
I said I'm not your practicedummy.
So again, that's probably morethan what I wanted to share
about that.
But I went to the coach thenext day.
He didn't again, didn't, didn'treally approach me.
I went to him and explained andsaid I appreciate the
opportunity and the things thatI got to do.

(15:35):
I mean we got to go to a Bullsgame at the United Center to see
Jordan and Rodman and Pippen sothat was cool, right made great
friends.
I still talk to him.
Uh, when you play in PrebleCounty you don't have a lot of
times where you can throw theball in the air and someone goes
up and dunks it Right, and sothat was kind of neat going to,
you know, going so I.
I don't regret any of that.

(15:56):
I don't even hold a a grudgeagainst that coach because he
taught me some lessons.
I mean, it was tough and youhad to get through it.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Do you regret the decision of quitting?

Speaker 5 (16:06):
I do not because, all kidding aside, I think we had a
intramural team that could havemaybe beat the basketball team,
and I shouldn't say thatbecause the guys that stayed and
played but you know there werea lot that that happened.
That happens, I think, at thedivision three level too,
because you're not underscholarship and my scholarship
was all academic and that was myfocus and I knew at that point

(16:32):
I wanted to go into chiropractic.
So I don't regret that because Ifocused on my grades, I worked
some and just had a blast incollege yeah just had fun and uh
finished out and and ended up,you know, basically having one

(16:52):
class that I got to be in in mywhole college.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, that's pretty good.
Did izzy go to wilmington too?

Speaker 5 (16:58):
no, izzy, um, this was kind of a decision.
And again, I, I went to, Iswitched churches because there
was a pretty girl that went toeat in first church of God.
So I went there because, andthe and and, honestly, the youth
group was amazing.
There we had a blast.
I mean, I didn't go because Iwanted to at first and you know,
or I just went because it wasfun and there was a pretty girl.

(17:20):
And then after I got into it,you start to it, it it permeates
you, right, you start to like,oh, you know, yeah, it's fun to
go do some of these things, butit's also amazing to like do our
devotional and now I'm learningsome things, um, and so,
honestly, izzy and I decided, uh, kind of together, that she

(17:40):
went to Wright state and Istayed at Wilmington because, um
, that she went to Wright Stateand I stayed at Wilmington
because temptation is tough.
You know, I was prettydisciplined and I've talked to
Dan before about this I neverdrank a single drop.
So I said I had fun, I went toevery party, every party.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Probably the life of the party.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
I tried, I tried and you know I went out.
I mean so all the time but Inever drank.
But I will say like temptationfor me would have been having my
girlfriend on campus Right.
Yeah, you know.
So there, I always said thatthose were my weaknesses, that,

(18:21):
and then you know, getting in afight or something you know, I
always said that those were myweaknesses, that.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
and then you know, getting in a fight or something,
you know, um, but but yeah, sono, I didn't, I didn't regret it
, and uh, that kind of led me onto where you know well, and I
think what's what's unique, whenI, when you first told me that
story, you know I, we competedagainst each other in high
school and uh and all thosethings, but uh, you know, we
didn't really kind of rekindleour friendship here until I
don't know the last five years,I would say, um, but you know,

(18:49):
as we've told each other storiesabout high school and college
and about all these things, whenyou told me this story about
when you were at Wilmington andgoing through, you know, the
challenges of basketball and thecoaches and all those different
things, um, that's where youlearn the most about yourself.
Right, it's through those trying, difficult times and I think
that's what a lot of people losetoday is when things get tough

(19:14):
in the beginning, they instantlyquit.
You could have quit yourfreshman year when you, you know
you weren't playing for thefirst 10 games and your parents
were why were you doing it?
Right, but you went through it.
You went through all thosedifficult things and look at
what you learned from it.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, and I, I went through all
of the conditioning.
So it's not like I, I, I gotthere and like, oh man, there's,
there's 15 freshmen, I, I quit.
Um, I, I really was doing itfor my dad.
But I think one of the thingsis like um, I don't think you'll
be defined by those wins andlosses.
You're more defined by yourgrit and resilience and then how

(19:53):
you respond to um, so I didn't,I didn't just go sit and do
nothing after I, after I, youknow, quit basketball, I focused
on my school and then I lifted.
I still lifted like crazy.
I played basketball.
I played, you know, we had thebombers, intramural, uh,
softball team.
That was amazing, uh, you know.

(20:13):
So we, we had a blast.
I mean, it was, uh, it's.
It's just something where goingthrough that you know we,
you've talked about it beforegoing through tough times is, is
what, what makes you strongerfor sure?
Yeah, for sure.
So you, you've talked about itbefore Going through tough times
is what makes you stronger forsure.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, for sure.
So you said you had alreadymade up your decision you were
going to go into chiropractic.
Why and how?
What?
What made you go to thatdirection?

Speaker 5 (20:34):
So I a couple of stories.
My, my grandpa was seeing achiropractor uh, my dad's dad
and they did an x-ray on his uh,on his back, and the
chiropractor was the one thatfound his aneurysm.
He had an abdominal aneurysm,uh, and they were able to fix
that not the chiropractor, butthey were able to.
He diagnosed it and I thoughtthat's pretty cool.

(20:56):
And I was never a kid to take amedication.
Uh, I, just, I didn't like it.
Uh, if I had pain, I wasn't onegrabbing like, hey, can I get a
you know Advil or Tylenol?
It was, you know, just toughthrough it, or give me some ice,
um, I, I liked the idea of likemore natural healing.
My uncle, uh, uncle was a hugeinfluence as well because he was

(21:18):
a chiropractor in Eaton.
He practiced over 50 years.
Hurt my knee in football Iweighed like 57 pounds and I'm
trying to drag guys around and Iremember it Got my knee injured
and I went to him.
My mom took me to my uncle andhe adjusted my knee.

(21:41):
My knee was like three timesthe size of my other knee and he
adjusted my knee and withinabout an hour it was close to
the same size as my other kneeNow did it still hurt 100%?
The ligament was still sprained, the ligament was still damaged
, but the swelling went outimmediately and I'm like this is
like magic.

(22:01):
This is crazy.
Then, when I was at Wilmington,I got the opportunity to do an
internship with Dr Bruce Brownin Bellbrook.
Him and I hit it off right away.
We like to work out, um, welove sports, uh, he was, he's a

(22:27):
go getter, he's, he's a, he'sgot a, uh, you know kind of.
He likes to talk to personalitylike very similar, right, and
so I, I, I show up, uh, for myuh interview with him to do this
internship.
And I was the first intern thathe had and Wilmington was doing
this with different professionsand you could get your hours
that way, and I had like dress,pants and a coat and a tie and

(22:48):
everything.
And I walk in and they put mein his office and he's treating
patients.
He walks in and he just laughsbecause I look like Doogie
Howser and uh, he, I canremember him laughing at me
because, like, I was so dressedup.
But I, you know, I'm like, hey,this is serious, right, like
I'm going to be professional,which I I think is missing
somewhat today.

(23:08):
Um, but uh, anyways, I startedthat relationship.
I uh did my internship hours,like immediately, very quick,
and then he's like hey, you, yougot to work for me, like you
know.
And so I said you mean, he said, yeah, the whole summer so I
drove from West Alexandria toBellbrook pretty much every day
and work for him.
And that was great because Igot got to see what it was like

(23:32):
in the office, got to see, youknow, him do some amazing things
with patients, learned a lotand learned how to interact with
people.
Because that's, honestly, thebiggest thing is, yes, you have
to be good at what you do, butwith my profession, if you can't
interact with people and showthem that you care, it just

(23:55):
won't go over very well.
And he, he had that, Um, and sodid my uncle had that as well.
So, anyways, that that kind ofsparked it.
And then, uh, you know, once,once I saw those things, I knew
I wanted to be a chiropractor,because you know a lot of people
we were joking earlier andthey'll say you know why, why
didn't you go?
Why'd you go to be a realdoctor?
Why didn't you?
Why did you go to be aorthopedic?

(24:16):
And I say my answer is usuallycause I didn't want to.
Yeah.
Um, and I, and and this is not acocky statement, but I think I
could have, I know I could haveum, my, my, my mentality, and
then my uh, you know studyhabits and things.
I think I could have donewhatever I wanted to do, but
that is what I wanted to do, um,so, yeah, so I went on to

(24:39):
chiropractic school, and you didthat in St Louis.
Yeah, so, uh, logan college ofchiropractic, uh, that's in St
Louis, missouri, it's actuallyin Chesterfield.
So if you tell people that youknow you live in West County,
they think you're like a moviestar and athlete, but I lived in
an apartment in West County.
They think you're like a moviestar and athlete, but I lived in
an apartment in West County butit was a pretty cool area
because, like you know, we sawKurt Warner at the grocery store

(25:02):
, we saw Marshall Falk at Uno's.
You know I met Stan Musial, butthat was an odd thing because
you know I'm from Preble County.
I went an hour and a half awayfor college, preble County.
I went an hour and a half awayfor college.
And then I remember getting myown apartment and then I
remember my mom and my dad andIzzy uh leaving and I'm on the

(25:25):
balcony and it was like I haveno friends, hadn't started
school yet, uh, don't knowanybody never been in a bigger
city like that.
I mean, we, we were, we were inthe suburb but still in the big
city, and uh, I remember going,sitting on my couch, going what
did I just do?
You know, uh, but I've alwaysliked school, which sounds weird

(25:47):
, but like, and I don't mean Ilove like, oh, I love going to,
you know, microbiology class.
No, but I, because of theinteraction with people, making
friends, um, you know, even whenI was younger I didn't want to
miss elementary school because Iwanted to go to recess.
And I wanted to.
You know, I want to be with myfriends.
So the school part, once thatstarted, I made some amazing

(26:08):
friends.
Um, I actually had to do,because I didn't plan very well.
I actually had to do because Ididn't plan very well.
I actually had to do organicchemistry one and two and
physics one and two all in onesemester as an accelerated
program so I could start thechiropractic school.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
That makes me nauseous.
Yeah, even thinking about it.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Yeah, that was rough.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
So another cool story that you've told me is is you
know, through chiropracticschool you worked at a as a
valet parking cars.
Right, talk about that a littlebit.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
So, um, it's funny, because I worked, I worked at
the school some, I worked for achiropractor cover, helping
cover football games.
Because I was an athletictrainer, I got my, I got my ATC
and although I wasn't licensedin Missouri, so, but I could
still cover stuff for him underhim, I did.

(27:04):
I don't know why.
I did construction but I, therewas these amazing homes, really
older homes, almost like anOakwood or whatever, and so I
would go in and I was basicallythe demo man and I would, I
would go in and I was basicallythe demo man and I would, I
would help demo and carrybuckets down the stairs and
sweep and do all that.
And, um, like I said, I workedat my apartment complex but then

(27:25):
I got, uh, you know, guys atschool were talking about hey,
you know, you should work forAugust evening.
So I'm like August evenings,Like yeah, it's like AE parking,
and I'm like what, what's that?
And they're like valet.
I'm like Ooh, right up my alley.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Cause I love.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
I love cars.
So, um, so I, you know, and youcould call in, you'd call in
and uh, it's probably my secondfavorite job ever, other than
other than what I'm doing now.
And uh, I remember my first job.
Uh called in and they put us ata basically private party and

(27:58):
private parties are usually atsomeone's home which then you
have to transfer the cars downand someone brings you back.
So first car I get in is aPorsche Boxster and I'm like, oh
, this is awesome.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
So I, you know they, I open up the door and you know
we, I and I just so I, you knowthey, I open up the door and you
know we, I and I, just I, Ihammer it about a quarter of a
mile down and then, uh, you know, park it.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
And then you know, and then these people, you'd
bring their car back and thenthey give you like 10 bucks and
you're like, oh, this is amazing.
But the funny thing is is mybuddy, mike, and I.
So Mike is, uh, mike's like mybest friend from chiropractic
school, that guy I could counton.
Yeah, I mean, I could call himtonight and he would be at my
house.
He was a he was actually ascout sniper in the Marines, now

(28:43):
chiropractor, so, but anyways,we would, we would use it as a,
as a workout too, so like whensomeone would come out and give
us their ticket.
I mean we would sprint, a deadsprint, get to the car, boom,
they'd see us like I meansprinting, and so we would.
We would end up there like,what do you guys do?
We were like the only two thatwould do that and so, uh, we

(29:04):
would do that.
There was one party where weworked a private residence and I
walked off the front of thehouse.
It was over, uh, over a hundredyards the front.
He owned, uh, like chartercommunications and he sold it.
They had caricature drawer,they had a magician, they had a
um marilyn monroe, uhimpersonator from tennessee.

(29:25):
Uh elvis, impersonator from umkentucky at the party at the
party, yeah, and and uh, it wascrazy.
And and then they let us comein and eat and we weren't
getting any tips when, uh, cause, it's all at once, you know, a
party, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
And it was so we were , we were running, running,
running and I'm like, gosh man,we're not getting any tips.
And then, uh, the guy comes outafterwards.
First of all, he'd let us go inand eat food which was really
cool, cause guys did a great joband he hands us an envelope
with all cash in it and a goodamount, and it's like yes.

(30:00):
So we try to get that partyevery time.
But you know you couldn't worka regular job while you were in
school because it was almostlike being back in high school
because you would go at 730 inthe morning and be done at four.
So it was like a job.
But also got to work.
You guys, with sports like this, I got to work the traveling
hall of fame, um.
So they did this at the historymuseums like they did it in

(30:22):
cincinnati.
They did it all over.
So any baseball player that wasin the hall of fame, they would
do a traveling.
So they traveling hall of fame.
So we get there and there's the,the back with all of the.
You know, if you guys showed up, that's where you guys would
park and they would valet you.
And then the front was theplayers and I told the
supervisor I said I'll do theplayers, I'll do the front.

(30:44):
I said me and Mike, you know weknow the players, he's like you
know them, I'm like I know I'llknow them.
So it was awesome because I gotto park, like you know, ozzie
Smith, uh, ozzie Smith, redShandings, uh, stan Musial, um,
trying to think Lou Brock, allthese old timers.
And then when they came backout and I got my red, red AE

(31:05):
parking jacket on, you know, andthey come back out and I sprint
, I'd sprint, get their car openup the door and then they would
go to hand me a tip and Ipulled out a pin and a baseball
and I got all their.
I got their signatures onseparate baseball and then
they'd still give me a tip.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
So it was amazing, you still have them.
I still oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Oh yeah, I still have them Real entrepreneur.
Yes, that's right, for surethat's right.
So, so you get throughchiropractic school, what's next
?
So while I was in chiropracticschool, dr Brown approached me
and uh said, hey, I'm buildingan office.
I'm like, okay.
When I came back for Christmasbreak and uh, he said, I want, I

(31:47):
want you to come in with me, um, and so that was trying.
That was almost like a nobrainer, because you know, we're
really close with family, somoving back to Ohio was probably
in the cards anyways, eventhough, you know, looking back,
while I was in chiropracticschool, uh, I got engaged in St
Louis when we were looking foran apartment, um, and then a

(32:10):
year later got married while Iwas in school, um, and so
looking back, uh, it was likethis is, this is what we want to
do.
We, you know, we want to moveback.
Uh, I mean, izzy got a jobbefore she graduated.
That doesn't happen, right.
So she came out and interviewedon spring break and got a great

(32:31):
job.
So what would have held us?
There would have been ourfriends and Izzy's job, cause I
could have practiced us.
There would have been ourfriends and Izzy's job, cause I
could have practiced anywhere,but all of our friends went,
like Hawaii, uh, Kentucky,arkansas, north Carolina,
cleveland, I mean.
So all of our friends weremostly from school there, so
they, they all moved out, um,but Dr Brown wanted me to come

(32:53):
in, so that then the decisionwas what does that?
What does that look like?
Do I go in?
Am I going to work for you?
Um, am I going to be, uh like,more of an independent
contractor?
And so we decided, uh, kind oftogether, that I would, I would
go in as I wanted, I wanted tohave my own business, yeah, and
so, um, and he's the same way.

(33:15):
So I don't know how well thatwould have worked if I would
have worked for him, um, butthen you know, so I, I, uh, I, I
will tell you, I got a littleboat for graduation of
chiropractic school, a smallboat and my friend, mike, and I,
one of the best things we everdid.
We graduated in April.
We could not take our Ohio test.

(33:35):
We passed our national boards,four parts of national boards,
but we couldn't practice untilprobably the middle of June,
plus Izzy was still working, andthen Mike's wife, sarah, was
still finishing school.
So literally every day we wentfishing, oh geez, from April to
like, or from May to June, yeah,you know, probably not the best

(33:57):
uh business decision to startprepping but I will tell you
what I'll never I'll, I'll neverforget that.
And then we had a little videocamera, and I wish YouTube was
big, because our videos areamazing.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Put them on there now .

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Oh, if we would've got if we'd have got caught by
the DNR, though we would catchfish like this big and then like
, put them in in the live well,this little live well, and then
at the end we'd we'd say what wecaught and be like, yeah, we
caught some bait and we'd throwit in the.
I mean, it was, it was so silly, but I think I think it would
have went over well.
But, uh, yeah, so I um ended upgoing in with Dr Brown, he.

(34:30):
He gave me, um, you know, heset me up very, very well.
He, you know, because he couldhave pinned me down with.
You know, hey, this is whatyour rent's going to be.
But it was almost like asigning bonus.
He helped me out, not as in pay, but with rent, and basically
gave me rent free for a while.
He said, you know that hewanted to help get me going, and

(34:55):
so he was very well known inBellbrook.
He'd been there.
You know that he wanted to helpget me going, and so he was
very well known in Bellbrook.
He'd been there, you know.
I don't know how long he'd beenthere at that time, probably 15
to 20 years.
About where I'm at now, I wouldsay close to it in practice.
And it was a blessing becauseeveryone knew Dr Brown.
It was a curse because everyoneknew Dr Brown.

(35:16):
It was a curse because everyoneknew Dr Brown.
So I was going to, uh, every,every game.
I don't know anybody, but I'mgoing to all types of games.
I'm going.
I'm, if I could speak at anyevent, I was going to the
schools, I was going to churches, I was going to, um, you know,
all over the place, right?
And a lot of times I'd be atthe football game like, oh, you
work for Dr Brown or for Bruce,and I'm like, no, I work with

(35:40):
him.
And they're like, oh, I'm likeyeah, so like oh, why see Bruce?
And then I'd go to the nextperson hey, how you doing, I'm
Matt Roberts.
Oh, yeah, you're with Bruce, Isee Bruce.
I mean, it was like I'm likeokay, is there anybody that
doesn't see this guy, right?
So I'm trying to figure out.
So I joined, uh, two networkinggroups, um, and the one you had

(36:02):
to kind of pay for, so I would,I would go to go to it and then,
like, kind of go to another onethat was the same brand of
networking groups.
So I didn't have to pay.
I could keep going back andforth, cause I, to be honest
with you, I went to go get abusiness plan.
I had this business plan.

(36:23):
It was beautiful, I mean it was.
It showed exactly howsuccessful I was going to be.
I had it all written out and Iremember going to a couple of
banks and I and I had this, youknow, in a binder and it was
beautiful.
And so I get to the bank andthey're like, oh, okay, good,
good.
And they're like, okay, so, sohow much are you making?
Now I'm like, uh, none, not,you know not.
But look, I'm going to and, uh,I could never get a business

(36:46):
loan.
Yeah.
So, once again, um, I reallythink that that was uh kind of
God looking out for me from notgetting in too much debt, cause
I was already in a ton of debtfrom school.
Luckily, my, you know, I had areally good scholarship at
Wilmington and my parents helpedme with my undergrad.
That what I didn't get inscholarship.
And then the other thing isbelieve it or not, you know, is

(37:08):
he getting married.
You know, some of my friendshad to pay for everything with
their loans, meaning food,apartment.
You know some of my friends hadto pay for everything with
their loans, meaning food,apartment, you know, books,
school, whatever, right, atleast we, we had Izzy's teacher
salary which covered a lot ofour living expenses, and then I
literally had to just kind oftake out money for school, um,

(37:31):
but I didn't have any money Iwasn't, you know and so then I
was looking to get a table onetable, right, I need one table
to adjust people on and luckily,some, you know, something
happened and they didn't havethe uh, they didn't have the
table in that I wanted.
So the guy gives me uh that Iget my tables from, he gives me
a loaner.
He said, well, until we getthat in till they get that made,

(37:56):
and so it just kept gettingdelayed.
But I was, you know, I wasseeing now, granted, on my first
day, you know, I saw a whoppingone patient, one.
So your back's against the wall, really, a hundred percent, and
it's it's make or break, right?
So, um, so then I I broke down,like I said, I couldn't cover

(38:17):
high school because they hadpeople covering high school.
So I went to the junior high.
I covered junior high sportswrestling, football as the team
doctor.
The problem is too, I woreshirt and tie and everything.
Because I did, I looked like Iwas, like you know, 17 years old
, and so that was a struggle too.
I remember having a patientwalk in and she said, uh,

(38:40):
where's the?
Or?
I walked in and she saidwhere's the doctor?
And I said I'm the doctor, um,I'm even wearing a white coat.
And she's asking, right and uhand uh, doogie hauser, that's
right man, and uh, I'm, she'slike.
Uh, well, I, and literally thiswas this was tough too, Cause
this is when I'm looking forpatients I literally had to say,

(39:01):
okay, she's like she, shewasn't having.
I went and got Dr Brown and hesaw her as an and it was a new
patient, you know, and every newpatient was huge then Um that's
a gut check.
Yeah, oh yeah, and I that was.
That was hard to swallow, man,I'm like gosh, you know how?

(39:22):
You know how do I get throughsome of these?
You know, uh, obstacles.
So then, another thing that Idid that was extremely humbling
was uh well, let me backtrackjust a little bit.
We, we didn't.
We had problems at that officegetting a sign because of zoning
.
The zoning board was beingreally, really, and it's not
like we were putting up anythingdifferent, it's just the rules
had changed and we wantedgrandfathered in.
They wanted to put it in themiddle of our parking lot, which

(39:44):
then would have taken up two orthree parking spots and people
would have run into it.
But for Dr Brown, it wasn't thatbig of a deal For me.
I'd be like, hey, Ben, nice tomeet you.
My office is on the corner ofSugar Creek and North Lakeman.
It's in between the dentist andthe daycare.
So if you see a really nicebuilding, there's not a sign,

(40:07):
but that's where we're at right.
So that was tough.
I mean.
I went to those meetings and Ipleaded too.
Dr Brown was the main cause,he's the, you know the, the
owner, him and his wife ownedthe building, Um, but I, uh, so
I was like, all right, I wouldtell the girls hey, I have my
flip phone on me, Um, give me acall, I'm going out and doing

(40:30):
some stuff.
I wouldn't, a lot of times Iwouldn't tell them what I was
doing.
So I would go to neighborhoodsand I had I made up these little
um, I'd have business cards andI had made up these little
pamphlets and I went door todoor, Um, and you talk about a
humbling experience.
You know, some people literallywould, I mean they would slam

(40:51):
the door in your face, and thatwas rough because I'm literally,
and and then other people arelike wait and again, wait a
minute, you're the doctor andyou're you're walking door to
door and I just tried to explainto him.
Like you know, I'm trying toget my name out there.
I want people to know me, Iwant you to know what I do.
And you know, did I get?
Did I get 50 patients from that?
No, but I actually did get acouple, and that encouraged me

(41:14):
to keep going.
And I realized as well that onceI had that patient in the
office, I had to deliver.
Yeah, Like, I had to deliver,not just like, hey, this is a
nice guy, Right, they had to getbetter, they had to get well,
yeah, Right.
So I really, really, reallyworked on my you know all my

(41:34):
skills and my diagnosis so thatwhen I did have a patient, it
was going to, they were going tobe my, my bird dog, they were,
they were going to go door todoor for me rather than me
having to do that.
Um, but you know, looking back,I don't know that I would have
it any other way, because it'slike there is a little bit of

(41:56):
pride in building it up versusgoing in and just having it
handed to you.
Oh, yeah, Because then you, Idon't know, you remember where
you came from, right, A littlebit, you know, because what do
they say?
Everybody wants to eat, but fewwill hunt.
That's right.
Right, yeah, so everybody wantsto eat, but few are going to go

(42:18):
out there and hunt.
And I was hunting and I washunting, and I was hunting and I
was hunting and, um, you know,there were times where you know
I'd be sitting in my office andI'm my mind's just going um,
izzy.
Izzy said it's a bipolarprofession when I started,
because there'd be days whereyou know oh man I saw, I saw 10
patients, you know, the wholeday and I'm excited.

(42:40):
And then the next day I wouldhave, you know, six on the books
and three of them would canceland I, you know, three patients
in a matter of like eight to 10hours.
Um, and I was far enough awayfrom home that I couldn't go
home for lunch and stuff.
So now I've got, you know thatbreak in between.
So you know, I'm lifting, I'm,you know, working.

(43:00):
We had a gym in a basement.
I would work out.
And then I would go like, allright, what am I going to do?
So I'd go to Kohl's and like,look for, like I literally would
look for like the clearanceshirt so I could go get my logo
put on.
So clearance shirts, so I couldgo get my logo put on.
So I'd find shirts for like twobucks and then I had someone
put the logo on them.
So then I'd give someone at-shirt, but I had to do it like

(43:20):
in increments because I justdidn't have a thousand dollars
to go throw out and say, hey,I'm going to give these t-shirts
.
So just a lot of, but again,like I say that, but it, you
know it was hard work, but it'sthat stuff is worth it.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Oh, yeah, I mean as you're, as you're talking, it's
reminding me of similar thingsthat I had to do when I first
bought the business and and youknow all the challenges and the
difficulties and the financialstress, and then the customers,
the customer coming in, or well,I mean a lot of struggles.
But yeah, it shows yourdetermination, you know.

(43:59):
It shows that it doesn't matterwhat the challenge is, you're
going to take it head on and Ithink that's again that's where
we learned the most aboutourselves.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
So yeah, I, I, you know, and that's been.
You know we can laugh about it,but, like that's been me, I
didn't weigh a hundred poundswhen I went to high school.
I've not been the biggest guy,the strongest guy, so in sports,
like we talked about, it was ahuge thing.
So it was like all right, youknow, roberts is going to run
his head through a wall to tohelp the team and, as I have

(44:30):
been, I think I've always been ateam guy.
That's why I didn't do a lot ofindividual sports, because man
is so fun to win as a team andyou know, it's fun to see other,
you know other people succeed.
And I've been very fortunate tohave, like I said, great
parents.
You know my sister, greatsister growing up.
You know, now I have, you know,my in-laws and you know that

(44:55):
are great, my, of course, mywife, and you know even my
friends.
Like I had really good friendsin high school.
I mean, you know, I just toldyou I never drank.
None of them ever did either.
Um, in college, yeah, theydrank, but great friends in
college, I mean that I knowagain, I could call chiropractic
school.
Um, I've had mentors with, like, my uncle through chiropractic.

(45:17):
And then, uh, dr brown, drBrown.
And then I have Mark King whois um, he's got a, an amazing
practice down in Cincinnati,mount lookout chiropractic.
Um, then I was in a club whileI was in school that we, we
adjusted.
Now I don't know if I'll get introuble for this now, I don't
think so.
But I mean, we startedadjusting before I even got in
chiropractic school because ofguys like Brett Winchester this

(45:40):
guy is this guy's phenomenalright, he's out in Missouri, um,
travels all over, uh, justgreat mentors.
But you know, I remember goinghome on my second semester and I
brought my um for Thanksgiving.
I brought my portable table,cause everyone, you had weird
parties in chiropractic schoolcause you had no money, um, so
you couldn't really go out, sowe would play board games and

(46:03):
cards, but then we, everyone hada table in their apartment.
So it's like, hey, lay down,let's try this, you know, so
we're practicing on each other,right, practicing adjusting on
each other.
But yeah, so, so.
But you know, having all those,those mentors to teach you, and
I remember going, like I said,going home on Thanksgiving, and
I adjusted over 50 people in mysecond semester.

(46:24):
You're not supposed to, uh,you're not supposed to adjust
people until your seventhsemester, um, but I was learning
.
I was going to club.
It sounds weird Like you gointo an adjusting club, but it's
a motor skill.
So I did it over and over andover and over, you know, and I
talk about my friends and mymentors, and there's a, there's

(46:45):
a scripture in first Corinthiansand it says don't be misled.
Bad company corrupts goodcharacter.
And I'm like I that sticks tome like okay, who you're around,
whether it's business, whetherit's friendship, whether it's
faith, makes a big difference.
And I try to pass that on to myfamily, which I haven't even

(47:08):
got into my family.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Gosh, no you're good You're doing great.
No, this is great.
I mean, when I when I think ofMatt Roberts, I think of
determination and enthusiasm andand you have shown that to this
point in your life with whereyou're at in your story.
So you're married to Izzy,you're at Dr Brown, but at some
point in time you make thedecision that, hey, it's time

(47:30):
for me to do my own thing.
Talk about that.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
So, first of all, life changes right.
So you think you got it allplanned out, which I I mean I
had a plan like even withgetting married.
I mean we are, you're going toget through school and you're
going to get married, and we'regoing to get married, and then
I'm going to finish school andthen we're going to you know, we
had it all planned out and thenwe're going to have kids.
So, talking about family kids,yeah, so that was a struggle,

(48:02):
yeah, but we had it planned outand I felt like Izzy and I did
it the right way All growing up.
Um, we made decisions to.
You know, that's the only girlI've ever really dated, to be
honest with you, yeah, and I andI don't regret that one bit
Somebody like you know, oh, mygosh, you know only one, one
woman, one girl.

(48:22):
It's to me.
You know what, at this stage inmy life, I'm like, yep, super
proud of it too.
More people should do that,right.
And so, um, man, we justcouldn't have kids and, honestly
, one of the biggest things Iwanted to be was a dad.
Yeah.

(48:44):
Just want to be a dad.
Yeah, cause of my enthusiasm,man, like I love kids and that's
one reason why I coach.
You know I've been doingcoaching cause I just love being
around kids.
And so, man, we just couldn't,couldn't, couldn't, couldn't.
And then, um, finally, you know, she gets pregnant and, um,
twins.
So it was awesome, man, I wasso and see, that's kind of where

(49:05):
that that switch, because, asyou guys know, you both have
kids.
Your priorities change when youhave kids.
I was, I didn't care what timeI got home when I didn't have
kids, I didn't care what time Iate dinner because I was out
like hey, is he sorry, I'm goingto the football game and I'm
meeting people.
I'm going to a networkingmeeting at, uh, you know, five

(49:26):
in the morning and I'm going andI stayed out all the time,
right.
But once you have kids, it'slike Ooh, and then you might
need help with your pet.
You don't want your parentsaround them, um, so, uh, we have
, we have twins, amazing twins,even Myla, you know.
And so I mean that was, that'sone of the biggest like

(49:47):
accomplishments.
You know, love it in my life.
Right.
Yeah.
And so she, you know, izzy,actually was gained like six or
seven pounds in a day.
The day before she had them andthey were like and she was
having swelling and we just said, but she's petite.
And so the doctors just kind ofsaid, well, it's because she's,

(50:07):
you know, she's, uh, she'ssmall, she, you got twins, so
they're going to induce her onon a Tuesday, and which we were
disappointed in, because I'm achiropractor, I want everything
natural, I want it all, you know, done this way, well, way well.
Um, her water breaks.
The next morning I'm on thecouch because she has 75 pillows
in the bed and I just wanted toget one one more good night's

(50:28):
rest, right, and um, my phonerings and before it could ring a
second time, I was at the topof the stairs and she's on my
water break, my water broke, my.
I'm like, yes, all right, let'sgo.
And I have, uh, if you know meabout, like my cars and stuff, I
have trash bags over the seat Ihave for for this for this trip
to the hospital.
Right, I mean I've got it all,yeah, so, and.

(50:51):
But then she's like I got toget ready.
She and I'm like no, we got togo.
So I, I'm, I'm making this islike five something in the
morning.
We get there at 8.53 and 9.01.
I've got twins, and a coolthing is which people maybe
won't understand, but I adjustedthem in the delivery room as

(51:14):
soon as they were born, whichwas a cool experience to do for
my kids.
So things are going well.
But I remember that night.
I mean, izzy did great and Iremember.
That night, though she startedcoughing and like what the heck?
You know what's up with that?
It's like I don't know.
You know this is before.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Well, she's in labor after the girls are born.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Yeah, they're born and we're you know I'm learning
to change a diaper and they're.
They were actually in the roomwith us.
They didn't.
I mean five, six and five, 10,.
38 and a half weeks.
She went and they were five,six and five, 10.
So super healthy babies.
Um, probably the most beautifulbabies ever, guys.
So, um, but anyways, uh, youknow, uh, she's coughing and

(51:54):
then, um, she started swellingagain a little like her feet and
stuff, and they're like, oh,you know, just keep your feet up
.
And so, 36 hours after, uh,they, they said we're gonna keep
you one more night because wewere trying to make sure,
because, you know, with twinsand stuff, girls were perfectly
good, like, didn't, like said,never went to the NICU.
And you know, and uh, I'mhelping Izzy up to the restroom

(52:17):
and boom, she flatlines Like shejust collapses and I catch her
and I mean I hit that button andit was the most wild thing.
I mean they had those babies outof the room wheeling her down
the hallway and you know, theysaid was it maybe pneumonia?

(52:38):
They did like they knew thatshe had fluid on her lungs and
stuff.
Was it maybe pneumonia?
They did like they knew thatshe had fluid on her lungs and
stuff, and so, long story short,she had peripartum
cardiomyopathy, which means shehad heart failure.
She had none of the riskfactors, other than the fact
that she was she had twins.
So here I am, the best momentof my life that I've been

(53:00):
waiting for, and then my wife isabout to die.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yeah, that's terrifying.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Yeah, and you know she was in the ICU, um, and I
can just remember, you know,just praying, you know, don't,
don't let me have two, twobeautiful babies, and no mom,
right.
So and and I remember the worstpart is is he asked me am I

(53:26):
going to die?
And I said no, you're not youknow and that showed you know.
And now guess what?
She's?
God's watch over she.
She's not on any medication.
She recovered like 100%.
She has no health, no heartproblems.
So once again, there's astruggle.

(53:48):
Well, that again changed myperspective of what is important
.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
And so that, um, I started to, to, to shift back to
the, the business side ofthings.
Um, I got an opportunity to, orwas asked to, cover Twin Valley
South football.
Oh yeah, so cover Twin ValleySouth football.
But to me I'm like, um, youknow, this is, this is an

(54:16):
opportunity, and I guess, tobacktrack a little bit three
years into practice.
Um, I just, I, I approached myuncletrack a little bit three
years into practice.
Um, I just I approached myuncle and that's how I got into
eating.
He was only in his office threedays a week and I was really
busy and built a good practicein Bellbrook, but you know, just
not a totally full schedulelike Dr Brown seeing all these
people.
So I thought, well, what if Idid both?

(54:38):
And I kept praying and keptpraying open a door, close a
door.
So if a door closes, then I'llknow, or if a door opens, I'll
know.
And I'm in a meeting at themedical center and you know, dr
Jill, some people know Dr JillVossler, she was in that meeting
.
They said, well, you know, canyou do this?

(54:59):
And I said, sure, I can do it.
My only concern is, on FridaysI might have a tough time
getting back to West Alexandriain time for the start of the
game.
And she said, well, why don'tyou practice full-time in Eaton?
I said, well, there's notenough space in my uncle's
office for us both to be there.
And she said, well, why don'tyou practice here at the medical

(55:19):
center?
And I just was like I didn'tknow that was even an option.
There are zero chiropractorswithin Kettering Health Network
buildings.
I don't know that there are anywithin Miami Valley.
I'm not sure there are any inReed over here, so that was not
even on the radar.

(55:40):
About a week later, um, emails,meetings, and we're talking
about building out, um, anoffice, and, uh, the rest is
history there.
Um, you know, and I, I builtthe office thinking, oh my gosh,
what am I doing?
Cause, once again, I had twotables.
Um, in the therapy suite I hadtwo, two adjusting tables.

(56:03):
Um, nobody in one office,nothing in two of the treatment
rooms, nothing in the room thatwe have the massage therapist.
Now, um, and I thought, what,what am I doing here?
This is way too big for.
And now I'm like, why didn't Imake it bigger?
Why didn't I make it bigger so?
So that's kind of you know.

(56:24):
That door opened.
And then I at that point andthat was a tough conversation
with Dr Brown, because I feltlike you know, he was a huge
mentor of mine I felt like I wasletting him down.
But the awesome thing is like,at first it was, you know, you
could tell I mean anybody who,like I, lost employees that I've
been very good employees andalthough I wasn't an employee

(56:45):
there, I was a colleague of hisand he thought I was going to
buy his practice and take itover.
And that was my plan originally.
I had no, I mean, so it wasn'tlike I ever had this other other
in mind.
And uh, you know, so there's,there's, you're happy for him,
but man, you're like, oh, I hateto lose that, that person.
So, at first, but now I mean, Ijust, you know, I was talking
to him over Christmas and andjust, we were saying how awesome

(57:08):
it's worked out for him and forfor myself, you know.
So, um, you know, when a dooropen, it's like if you don't go
through it, you might suffer aconsequence.
Um, and if I was, you know, ifyou don't, if you don't really
want it, you better not pray forit.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
That's right, yeah, so yeah, be careful what you
pray for, absolutely.
But not so now you're, you're,you open your own practice, but
now you got employees, right?
That's a whole different ballgame than just running a
practice at Dr Brown's office,right?
Yes, talk about that.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Well, cause, honestly , I was an independent
contractor, I had my ownpractice, but I didn't deal with
I, I that's what I, you know.
And I told him later on downthe road like, oh, I didn't, I
didn't understand.
Uh, you know, when you were,when you were in not the best
mood, because because I came inand said, hey, such and such
quit, and it's like, can you getsomebody else Right?
Like it's, and that's whathappens, is is like as as uh, on

(58:02):
the other side of it, you thinklike, oh, just find somebody
else, man, or, or fix this orwhatever.
But when it's on you, it'stotally different.
And, um, you know, you're you'retrying to find the right person
, because I, always, when I'minterviewing, I always tell them
, like, you know, the biggestthing for me is that you're,
you're coachable, uh, trainable,and that you're trustworthy.

(58:24):
Um, if you're coachable,trainable and you're trustworthy
and you've got a, you know,you've got a good attitude, I
can train you and you'll beamazing, right, but that trust,
and then you know, nowadaysthere's just not, um, uh, I've
been very fortunate, but there'snot a lot of loyalty either.
So, having that, and you knowso, I've been incorporating some

(58:46):
of that into my even into mystaff meetings and my practice
now, um of of some differentcharacteristics that I'm looking
for to in my office staff.
You know, um, and that's beenchallenging.
And then I added in anotherdoctor, dr Pitzinger, dr Adam

(59:08):
Pitzinger, and, uh, that Iwasn't ready for that but he, he
actually was not in a greatsituation and so that moved much
quicker than expected, um, butyou know that's, and there's
been bumps in the road with allof it.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Right, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
And uh, but we've, we've, you know, hit it head on
and with the right attitude andand um, not not always doing
things right.
Right, Don't get me wrong Like,uh, you know, uh, that's,
that's not for sure, I'm notdoing that everything right all
the time, but uh, we, it's.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
It's almost like when you look back, it's kind of fun
, but when you're going throughit, man, it's like when you look
back, it's kind of fun, butwhen you're going through it,
man, it's terrible, it'sterrible, it is, it's
challenging, it's challenging.
So as we start to land thisplane, a little bit um, and as
you tell the story, you knowwe've taught, we talked.
When I asked you to be on thepodcast, you're like, man, I
don't know, I got this storyReally dude, like your story's

(01:00:00):
amazing.
You know, all these things thathappen in your life to put you
to where you're at today andthat's the whole point of the
podcast is is that everybody'sgot a story and people that
don't know you that look at younow and they say he's got these
beautiful wife, beautifuldaughters, you know athletic,
you know physically fit, doingall the right things.

(01:00:21):
He never had a hard day in hislife.
You know what I mean.
That's what it's all about.
Is you telling your story?
So I'm grateful for you doingthat.
I want to end it with twoquestions.
Last two questions.
Number one if you could sit ona park bench and you can have a
conversation with anyone livingor deceased which I steal this
from John Low Leary, you knowthat, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Who would it be and why, man, that's a?
I didn't think you were goingto ask that question.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
That's why I said it yeah, that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Um, to be real honest with you, um man, uh, jesus,
yeah, and I know that thatprobably that's a oh man, that's
just a cliche, but, like youknow, I just don't.
Oh man, that's just a cliche,but, like you know, I just don't
, I don't.
Uh, I would love to sit downand talk to him and say why you
know because, why, why do, whydo I deserve what you did?

(01:01:10):
And, man, how'd you do that?
Right Like how did you do that?
How did you live a perfect life?
Um, and then take the, the, thetorture and the torment and
turn it into something beautifulfor everybody else, right?
So it might.
Again, it might sound cliche,it's not, you know, people don't

(01:01:33):
think that's a real person.
That is a real person.
And so if I could sit down, manthat would answer.
Think about how many questionsyou could have answered if you
had Jesus sitting beside you.
So, yeah, you could haveEinstein, you could have you
know a Martin Luther King jr,you could have you know George
Washington, you know, obviouslyyou, you also think about family
members as well.

(01:01:53):
So don't get me wrong, man, Iwould love to to talk to my, my
grandparents again.
Yeah.
You know, um, I would love todo that, but, man, if I'm going
to look for all the answers, hecould tell me how they're doing
that's right, so yeah that's,that's who it'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, so all those times you've had that have been
challenging.
Um, you know high schoolaccident.
You know the challenges incollege uh, chiropractic school.
The challenges with Izzy andthe pregnancy and what you went
through there.
The challenges in running abusiness when things are tough
and you think of a quote or youthink of a Bible verse that gets

(01:02:29):
you through those times.
What is that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
So I know you asked this question so I kind of did
prepare.
But this is my verse, which isnot the normal verse.
So it's James 1, verse 2through 4.
And the first part is Considerit pure joy, my brothers, when
you face trials of many kinds.
So think about that, right.

(01:02:55):
It doesn't say like pout, itdoesn't say pity me, and it
doesn't even say be happy.
It says consider it pure joywhen you face trials of many
kinds, because you know that thetesting of your faith will
produce perseverance.
The last part is letperseverance finish its work so

(01:03:17):
that you are mature and complete, not lacking anything.
So if you put that together,it's like gosh man, when I'm
going through tough times, man,I gotta, I gotta be happy about
it.
And it's not necessarily thatyou're like, oh, yippee, right,
I'm super happy, but that'sgoing to make you stronger, it's
going to develop perseverance.

(01:03:37):
Then, once you let perseverancedo its work and you work
through it, it can help you bemore mature in whatever you're
doing.
You know, complete, whole, andso that's that's a verse, that
um, that sticks with me and thatI utilize.
I've utilized um honestly,probably since college.

(01:03:58):
You know um you know and sothat that would be the one, I
guess, if it's not a Bible verse.
Um, there was a, an old proverbnot not a proverb, I think it's
a Chinese proverb or somethingwhere it says um you know it, it
talks about three things thatnever come back.
Okay, uh, time, words andopportunity.

(01:04:24):
And so when you think aboutthat, you know you only got so
much time.
Don't waste time.
Make the most of your time.
Right and your words you knowyou can't get those back.
Once you say them, they're outthere.
So you can use your words forgood or for bad, right, so use
your words for good.
And then the last isopportunity.

(01:04:44):
If you get an opportunity,don't sit back, man.
Take it.
That door opens, go through it,because the last thing I want
to do is sit back and go, manwhat if man what if I did
that man.
What if I would have tried this, you know, and so I think
that's a good one, even for,especially for kids.

(01:05:06):
Like you know, they got moretime than we do, especially as
you get a little bit older.
But you know time, your words Iwish I could take back some of
my words, right.
And then opportunity, and Istill hope that there's more
opportunity out there for me andfor my family, um, to to do
good things, you know, to make adifference, and so those are
kind of the things that I wouldleave your audience with and

(01:05:29):
kind of the way that I live mylife.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
So I did some research.
You know when I think about youas a man, you know you've
already shown the passion Ithink anybody listening can feel
it the determination you knowto to accomplish whatever goal
or dream or desire that you have.
Like you're, you went door todoor as a chiropractor.

(01:05:55):
I was hunting man.
I mean that's amazing.
So so I'm searching online andand I and I searched give me a
Bible verse that relates tosomeone who's striving for
excellence.
Because you are my friend group, as I get older and I think us
three men sitting here recognizethis it gets a little smaller,

(01:06:16):
right, your family is number onein the middle, and then you
want to be around people thatmake you better and you make me
better, and I appreciate you.
And when I searched strivingfor excellence, Colossians 3,
verse 23 through 24 came up.
It says whatever you do, workat it with all your heart as

(01:06:39):
working for the Lord, not forhuman masters, Since you know
that you will receive aninheritance from the Lord as a
reward.
It is the Lord Christ you areserving and I think that sums up
you as a man.
I think that sums up your life.
To this point, I think that youknow what's to come.
We don't know, right.

(01:07:00):
But what?
What do I know about MattRoberts?
It don't matter, you're goingto put his head down and he's
going to go through that brickwall just like you did in high
school, right?
Just like you did in college,just like you did to.
You know, have a successfulpractice.
And you know, I am grateful tohave you as a friend.
I'm grateful for you to come onhere.

(01:07:23):
I know you're apprehensiveabout it, just like my wife was
in last week's episode and mostpeople are as they come on here,
but I hope that it's helped you.
You know, maybe, maybe, uh, youknow, just kind of reliving
some of those things and lookingat your life and thinking you
know what.
You know I have done somepretty cool stuff, because, as
men, I don't think we do that.
You know, we just work, right,we work and we try to help
people and we, we do all ourdaily stuff and then we go to

(01:07:43):
bed at night and we get up andwe do it again the next day.
So I hope that that you know.
What you've got from this isthat it's pretty cool to look
back upon your life to thispoint.
46 years Are you 46 yet?

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
Don't talk about my age I think I'm 36.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Yeah, he's my age, we , yeah, yeah.
46, yeah, no.
I mean, I hope, when you, whenyou look up to this point, that
you're proud, because you shouldbe.
I know your parents are proud,I know your wife's proud, I know
your daughters are proud.
Uh, you're a good man and I'mgrateful for our friendship well
, I appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
I was a little apprehensive because didn't know
whether I just honestly, I hopeit helps somebody.
Yes, and the other thing that Ilook at is if I'm going to sit
up here and I'm going to saythese things, I got to hold
myself accountable to it.
Yeah, doesn't mean I'm going tobe perfect, because I won't.
I know that I'm not perfect,never will be, but you know it's

(01:08:35):
weird when you start to talkabout these things.
You got to go.
Ok, look in the mirror.
You're going, you're going to.
You're going to preach it.
You're going to talk about it.
You're going to talk about.
You know, hunting you still gotto hunt.
Yeah, you talk about your faith.
You better be a good example.
So I think in that sense, itdefinitely just getting it out
there.
It's going to be recorded right, it's going to be on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
It's just the practice run, but it will be
recorded.
It's out there forever now,though, right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
So, so, yeah, so I gotta, I gotta, I gotta look at
it and go, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yeah, stay, stay accountable.
Man, yes, for sure, man Forsure, Appreciate you.
Ben, you got anything?
Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
I didn't know any of your story so you know I
absolutely loved hearing it andyou know one of the best days I
had was life search.
You know I was able to go withyou and Jeff and Matt, and you
know I love getting the text,like the group message, whenever
we send it.
You know you're a man of faith,which I really.
You know that's why I want tobe there.
You know that's why I strive tobe and I don't know every time

(01:09:31):
you send a verse or something inthe text group, I always love
seeing it.
So you talk about surroundingyourself with people you want to
be like and I just verygrateful for you to coming on
here and telling your story,appreciate it thank you,
appreciate you, man, andeverybody.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Be sure to like and share and subscribe and do all
those things you know there's.
There's so much to gain fromfrom matt's story, uh, and his
knowledge, so we appreciate thatand go out and be tempered hi,
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