BeTempered Episode 52 - Failure Is Just Feedback: A Roundtable on Growing Through Challenges - BeTempered

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This is Be Tempered.
What's up everybody.
Welcome to the Be Temperedpodcast, episode number 52.
I didn't forget 52 and aspecial 52.
We actually happen to be liveon Facebook, youtube.

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We've got TikTok over there,we've got Instagram back there,
so we're going to see how thisgoes.
And joining us today we've gotsome special guests, extremely
special guests.
Guys, introduce yourselves.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Hello, dan, good to see you again.
Yeah, you too, brian Ballinger.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Hey, brian Good to see you again.
Yeah, you too, brian Ballinger.
Hey, brian.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
Good to be here.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
Thanks for having us guys.
Matt Roberts, episode 40.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
40.

Speaker 6 (01:33):
40.
So episode 40.
Matches your age Exactly.
That's kind of you know.
That's what I'm known for now,other than anything else, is
episode 40.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Appreciate that, guys .

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hello, other than anything else is episode 40.
Appreciate that, guys.
Hello, my name is Sean Rubish,episode 24.
I thought I was 40 and you were41.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Okay, I guess I'm 41.
He's big time because he's twotime Just want to make that
known.
Well, welcome guys.
We're glad to have you on thisspecial edition a year into the
Be Tempered podcast.
Would you have ever dreamt that?

Speaker 4 (02:11):
No never.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
You didn't think we'd make it this far.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
I thought we'd make it this far but wouldn't have as
much traction.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's been a fun ride.
This is kind of a unique thingthat we've decided to do and
have a little round table withthese men who everybody can go
and listen to their stories andhear all the great news and
information that they gave usduring those episodes.
So, gentlemen, while you'rehere, there are some gifts for

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you.
As you'll see, I've got anemployee, corey Miller, who is a
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our logo on the wood, and he'sgot a CNC machine that burns it
on.
So each of you got one of those.

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And then a special gift a bookfrom John Maxwell, high Road
Leadership, which I was given byDr Matt Roberts gave me as a
gift and one of the best booksI've ever ever read.
So gift for being on thepodcast again on the live
episode, and taking time, youknow, out of your evening
tonight to do this.

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So we thank you.
So, without further ado, we wantto welcome everybody again to
the special edition of the BeTempered podcast, our very first
live roundtable event.
Tonight we're doing somethingdifferent.
We've gathered these group ofmen, these friends, these
leaders, these men of faithwho've walked through the fire,
face adversity and come outstronger.
On the other side, around thistable, are voices that have

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lived leadership in the realworld, not from a pedestal, but
in the trenches, on the farms,in business, in schools and in
homes.
Each one of us has a story andeach story has a purpose.
Tonight we're talking about life, faith and leadership, the hard
stuff, the holy stuff andeverything in between.
We're not here to preach.

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We're here to be real, to behonest, and everything in
between.
We're not here to preach.
We're here to be real, to behonest and to share what we've
learned, where we failed andwhat keeps us going.
And for those of you joining uslive, we want this to be a
conversation, not just abroadcast.
So if something stirs in you oryou've got a question, drop it
in the chat.
We'd love to bring your voiceinto the room and take your
questions during the event.
So, whether you're watchinglive, you're catching the replay

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, which the podcast will comeout this Friday, or you're
tuning in from a tough season,whatever's going on in your life
, our prayer is that somethingsaid tonight will speak to you.
So, without further ado, brian,can you take us back to a time
when faith first became real toyou and when you knew it wasn't
just something that you weretaught, but something you

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believed for yourself, and howthat moment changed you?

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Sure, but before I answer your question guys, you
didn't know I was going to dothis, but I want to kind of flip
the script a little bit.
This is episode 52, so you'vebeen at this for a year.
Episode 52.
So you've been at this for ayear I'd like for you to tell me
, and us and all of thelisteners in your faith journey,
how have you grown this year?
Because obviously it's been alot of hard work, dedication,

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probably toil at times.
So before I give you my answer,I want to hear about this last
year's journey.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Go ahead Me.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
First off, I did see my mom commented and said
congratulations on episode 52.
So shout out, mom.
Thank you for watching what'sup.
Mom, for me it's been a big.
It's been a big dealing withthe imposter syndrome which I
deal with all the time.
When we first started thepodcast and Dan and I had
conversations about it I thinkI've shared it before, but I

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just was like you know, dansupports you wholeheartedly Like
I'm all the way around it.
Then he made the website andthen it had a picture of me on
it and I was not ready for that.
I always talk about you know,dan, being a graduate of UD
Communications which you wouldimagine would run a podcast.
I, dan, being a graduate of UDcommunications, which you would
imagine would run a podcast.
I'm a high school graduate butlike my big thing is I live in

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like Lation 6.
Like that's my biggest thingand it says if you are too
important to help someone,you're only fooling yourself.
You're not that important andthat's one big thing that I
always live by and it's.
You know, there's a bunch ofpeople like me out there that
might feel like they'reunqualified, but then they got
people like Brian Ballingerright.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
I texted you.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
And you have no idea, Like that was one of the days,
and that's the thing, like God,no-transcript.

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But there's been steps allalong the way where I feel like
I'm not qualified to do this,you know, and I really shouldn't
be on here.
And then there's times whereyou know you'll get something
from somebody and I'll be likehey, you're impacting me, Like I
can't thank you enough, Likeyour story, like the, you know
having the courage to talk toguys, and every story impacts
somebody that you would notexpect it would impact.

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And so I think every time thatI shouldn't say question my
faith, because I feel like myfaith strong enough that I'm not
questioning God, but every timethe devil starts to creep in
there like Ben, why are youdoing this?
Like you're not smart enough,You're not good enough.
Then I feel like God's alwayslike, hey, nope, look, you're
qualified and you get thosetexts like you did, so keep them
coming, man.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
I think we've talked about it before, though, but God
doesn't call the qualified, hequalifies the called.
So you take in that step.
You don't necessarily have tobe qualified, you just have to
be called to do something.
And then you have to step outin faith and do it.
And then I've talked, talkedabout in my podcast either the
door will be open or it'll beclosed.

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Right, he'll give you theanswer, but if you never take
that step, then it's not goingto happen.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
So I think it's awesome that you're doing it
yeah.
Yeah, and that was a big thingfor me was just taking that step
.
You know, ben and I had had theconversation in the office
about doing the podcast and, man, it was a, it was a tug, it was
a, it was something like I Ikept hearing this calling like
you need to do this, you need todo this.
But then I you know, I talkedabout it before on other

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podcasts where I've got the guyon my left shoulder saying
you're not qualified to do this.
You know who are you, you know,and so there have been many
times throughout the past year,since we recorded episode one,
that I prayed for direction, Iprayed for guidance, I prayed,
you know, hey, is this reallythe right thing to do?

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And there were many, many, manyspecific instances where I
received a phone call, Ireceived a text, I received an
email.
I mean, the biggest one thatthat hits me in the mouth or
that hit me in the mouth when ithappened, was, you know, it was
after after episode nine, when,um, we hadn't hadn't came to
the studio yet and and we werekind of on the fence, or I was

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on the fence, I don't know howBen felt, but you know I was
kind of overwhelmed with theamount of time and work that it
took to get everything from myphone and to to cut the audio
from it and then upload.
I mean, it just took.
It took time that I wasn'tprepared for.
So I received an email on aSaturday night after Episode 9

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from someone I hadn't, coach,jim Place, who I hadn't heard
his name in 20 years and had hada conversation with someone
else prior to that week, and hejust sent me an email through
the website, the Be Temperedwebsite, and just encouraging.
You know, hey, I love whatyou're doing.
You know, just keep going.
I got some recommendation forsome guys that I would would be

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good for you to interview and,uh man, I just remember sitting
on the edge of the bed thatSunday morning reading that
email and Kim, my wife, lookedat me and she was like you look
like you've seen a ghost, and soI explained to her the whole
thing and I read her the emailand she was like, holy cow, like
you, you got to keep going.
And so that that was the firstsign for me that it was.

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It was, you know, we had tokeep going.
And then, you know, we metKevin and and the rest
progressed and, um, you know wehaven't looked back since, but,
um, you know it, there's beentimes my faith's been tested,
but most of the time it's beensuch a positive experience
hearing your story.
And your story and your story, Imean look at, look at what Sean

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, for example, right, six, eightmonths ago, nobody knew Sean's
story.
Sean just wrote a book.
Right, he just wrote a bookabout his whole life's journey.
That's going to impact millionsof people down the road.
I mean just something like that.
If I quit tomorrow which I'mnot how many people are going to

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be impacted by his story?
Because he was able to tell it,to get it out, and now he's
going to have it on paper thatpeople can read about.
So it's been an awesome ride.
We.
We talked about it I think aweek or two ago with Maddie.
Um, it seems like forever ago.
I mean it really does.
When I, when I get back and Ilook at the pictures or the

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calendars, um, from last year, Iwas like, hey, this is when we
recorded episode one.
I was like that seems like along time ago.
So it's been a fun journey, butI feel like we're just getting
started.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah, so you mentioned that voice on your
left shoulder.
You know what I would say tothat?
If not you, then who?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Sean, if not you, then who Same?
If not you, then who Same foryou, matt, but for all of us, if
not me, then who?
So I think you asked a questionright, so I'll go ahead and get
to that.
So I guess I'll try to repeatthe question in my own words.
So, remember a time when youwere younger where you first

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realized or understood thisfaith?
So I guess, to give a littlebit of context, I shared some of
this and I won't go into all ofit, but I was raised in a
church.
In fact, I don't reallyremember a time that mom didn't
take me to church.
It's just what she always did.

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But just because you are inattendance doesn't mean you
understand, that you feel thatyou experience and know God.
So I really feel like to answerthis question.
I need to explain who was Godto me at that time.
I need to explain who was Godto me at that time.

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In my mind, god was who I madehim to be.
That's not a good place to be.
You know, I didn't understandthe holiness of God, I didn't
understand righteousness, Ididn't understand his judgment.
I definitely didn't understandhis grace, and if you don't

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understand grace, you can'tpossibly conceive the idea of
mercy.
But there was a time, shortlyafter I was married, sandy and I
, I started attending churchwith her and you know, as I try
to think back on that time Idon't really recall like Sean
you mentioned in I think yourfirst might have been your
second podcast.
That moment there was somethingvery specific that that

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minister spoke and it reallytouched your heart and you know
exactly what I'm talking about.
But for me it was not reallywhat the minister said that day,
but for the first time in mylife I felt like God saw me for
who I was Now.
He's always known me, but Iunderstood.

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God sees through me, he knowsmy heart, he knows all of my sin
, he knows every transgressionand the best way I could
describe the feeling that I hadthat day and I almost get
emotional thinking about itimagine being in public and we
probably have had this dream.

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I've had this dream whereyou're naked, no clothes, but
you also have nowhere to hide.
And in that moment I rememberthinking the only place I can go
is under the pew.
Because I felt so exposed,because God was showing me who
and what I was, and what I sawwas not good, because, to that

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point, god was to me, was who Ihad made him to be.
You know, he was there when Ineeded him.
I would pray if I neededsomething, and I needed it
desperately.
I didn't understand the conceptof submission, and so that was
a time for me that I couldn'tthen get enough of the word of

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God, because I was what?
21, 22 years old at that time,I'd been raised in church.
I thought I knew the scriptures, but I didn't understand, and
so for the next several months Ijust couldn't get enough.
It was like I was reading theBible for the very first time
and understood that our God is arighteous God, he's holy, he's

(15:28):
to be worshiped, he's to bereverenced, and so, yeah, that
absolutely changed my life.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, that's an amazing story.
Thanks for sharing that, mattSean.
You guys remember specifictimes.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
I would say there was two times for me when I was 19,
so around the same age, samething.
I went to church, my whole life, grew up in church but I knew
the stories but I don't knowthat.
I knew the scripture right.
I knew about the Bible but Ididn't know the Bible.
I knew about God but I didn'tknow God.

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And I got the opportunity to goto an international youth
convention and it was actuallywe were all disappointed because
international we get to go to,they've been to Phoenix, they've
been all over the place andthis one happened to be in
Cincinnati.
It's like you know and as itwas with our youth group.

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And honestly we weredisappointed because you know we
like to go, because once againthe travel, the fun right, and
went to this international youthconvention and I mean it was
like I don't know what happenedthere, but I mean it just a
switch, just God grabbed at meon that one and it just switched

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right there.
I don't know that I understoodWell, I know I didn't when I was
younger, didn't understandsalvation being saved.
I always joked that I thoughtbeing safe was when I took off
from third and slid into home.
And I'm safe, right.
That was my definition of beingsafe or saved, in a sense.

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And at that convention, like Isaid, I actually went up in
front of thousands of kids andjust gave my heart to God and
immediately there was a changeof heart.
Same thing, like you said.
Then I started to actually, youknow, read the word and try to

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understand it, versus readingjust to read or not just
focusing on, you know, what Godcould do for me, but maybe what
I could do for God, and then howI could impact others.
I remember a guy across thehall in college.
When I came back to collegethat next year they were like

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okay, where did Roberts go?
Where's Matt?
Like you know, your, mylanguage had changed, my, my
demeanor had changed and and Ithink that might go back to you
know, we may talk about thatlater on that's challenging
because I changed who I was.
It's kind of like with thediscipline that you've done, Dan

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and Ben, where you know youchange and people are like, hey,
let's go party.
Well, no, I don't want to dothat now, I don't want to go too
long.
But then the next time was, youknow, in my podcast I talked
about some of the struggles withgetting pregnant and you know
my wife and I getting pregnantand when I was 30, so the girls

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were born, when I was 30, Idecided to get baptized.
You didn't get baptized untilyou were 30?
Okay so, yes, so that's one ofthe challenges.
I was baptized as a baby.
In the Methodist church you dobaby baptisms and that was

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confusing for some people, thatthey say even my parents to an
extent.
You know, you were alreadybaptized and what I said to that
was that I truly appreciatethem dedicating me to the Lord
and I truly appreciated bringingme up in the church.
But I never made that decision.
And so at 30, you know,normally you see kids going up

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there and doing it right.
And so at 30, normally you seekids going up there and doing it
right.
And I just went to my pastorand I said I want to make that
profession of faith, I want thatoutward expression of my inward
faith and I want to show and Iwant to be cleansed and brought
back up at 30 years old.
And we did it in a creek, at anoutdoor service, and again,

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that kind of refocused my lifeand I think we all know, as we
have kids, that refocus, yourpriorities change and I knew
that now I'm not praying justfor myself and for my wife.
I mean I am.
I've got to bring up these twodaughters in a way that I know

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that God would want me to.
So those two instances for medefinitely changed my
perspective on faith, my focuson my faith and then how I can
share that with others.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, that's powerful , sean.
I see you, you sitting overthere, a ball full of emotion
man what you got?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I got a lot.
First off, it took me 38 years,um, and I'm still not a perfect
and, uh oh, none of us so youever joined?
the club man so the jelly rollsong.
You only talk to God when youneed a favor.
I think that song was writtenabout me.
You know, brian, in yourpodcast you said I don't

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remember exactly the word, butyou said that sometimes you
didn't believe in God.
And for 38 years that was me.
So what God had did in my life?
He stripped me down to nothing,to where I had nothing to lean
on.
God sent his only son down hereto help us bury those crosses
that we all carry.

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And that was the time.
There was no way I could carrythat cross on my own.
None, no way.
There was only that's the onlyway out I had.
And it forced me and you'reright In that church, going
through the most difficult partin my life, justin Schwertzel, a

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good buddy of ours, asked me togo to church and I went.
And I haven't been in churchfor years and I know I told this
on my first podcast, but foryears, man, I didn't step into a
church and just to hear whatthat preacher said, because I
was the guy we always talk about, the path I was so far away

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from the path.
It wasn't even funny.
Left out in the weeds is whatthey call it.
Right, that was me and, like Isaid, I think god stripped me
down because I wasn't living thelife that he designed me to
live, and that was the momentwhere I was like I need help,

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and there's a lot of things thatmen hide in and I wasn't gonna
hide in drugs or alcohol orwomen why do you think it took
38 years?
because I'm stubborn because I,because I, because I thought I

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was, because I thought he wasnot a good person to me.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
So you blamed him for everything that happened from
childhood Absolutely 100% man,now that preacher.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
what he said that day did change my life, and it
changed because I knew I neededhelp.
I knew what I was doing for thepast 38 years of my life, and
it changed because I knew Ineeded help.
I knew what I was doing for thepast 38 years of my life wasn't
working, so I leaned, startedleaning on God, and my faith has
gotten stronger.
That was the start of it, andno matter how far away you walk

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from God, man, it only takes onestep back in.
Now I feel like I'm the mostblessed person on earth.
Darrell Bock Right.
You start understanding graceScott Cunningham you do and it's
so hard for me to talk about.

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Here's the thing Like I love mylife, but when I talk about it,
and especially around men, likethat's why I'm here, because I
want to surround myself withbetter men and I want to
establish a relationship withbetter men, better men of faith.
I do not recommend you go on 38years of your life without

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having Jesus in your heart.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, that's a long time it's a long time, that's a
long time to hold it all in.
Absolutely yeah, that's prettypowerful.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
I love that you said about no matter how far you're
off the path.
Right, like that's the wholething.
If we really understand, likeyou said, god's grace right To
really understand God's grace isto go back to where you know.
They're sitting there withJesus and the lady that
committed adultery and they saycast the first stone.
He didn't say, all right, now,look, now here's the line where,
if you did something you knowbelow adultery, go ahead and

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throw the rock.
No, like all sin is equal, andI can I mean I'm pretty sure all
of us would agree that we sindaily, like you know.
And that's the thing, no matterwhat sin you've done, like no
matter where you're at on thepath, like just with one step,
and jesus is right there, likegod's right there with his mercy
and his grace, and you're justone.
Like that's why.
That's what kills me the most iswhen people are, you know, they

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feel like they're so far offthe path and you're like hey,
you know, come to church, cometo church.
And the phrase I hate the mostwell, if I walk in church I'm
going to get struck by lightningor something like that, you
know, and it's like.
No, like every single personhas been on that same exact path
.
You know, and when I read that,back to church, when you know,
lisa like grew up in church,like my wife, like that's one

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thing that she wanted.
She wanted a husband that wentto church.
So we went to church togetherand then, like you know, then
you start reading the Bible andit's like, okay, now you don't
just go to church, now you gotto be the church for your whole
family.
That's your goal.
So, and that's that's what godcalls you to do is to be the
leader of your family.
So then you got to take thatnext step to be the leader of

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your family.
So, and then I remember, youknow, going to clc before you
had jude, and I took the nextstep, where we're there and I
get baptized.
And then it's like, okay, nowI'm baptized, now I'm good, I'm
saved.
Well, they would always go toswaziland on these mission trips
, like every time.
Well, I was good with my faith.
Right there I felt a calling,fellow calling.
We had jude and, um, we justkind of got lost in church

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because we really weren'tinvolved, so we didn't have
anybody come pray for us withwith judy's in the nicky for two
weeks we kept reaching out.
Nothing, nothing.
Like god used to use that partof my life to put me back to
where I'm like okay, I'm gonnamove our family to another
church, where I know the people,where I know that we're going
to be part of a church family,and I feel like God put us there
.
Because then, all of a sudden,the next time a mission trip
comes up, hey, we're going toHaiti.

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I'm not a doctor, I'm notqualified to go to Haiti, do
anything there.
And they're like no, no, no.
Like we're building fences on amission trip.
Then, like, I'm driven.
You know what I mean.
Like you go over there.
You come back home.
You're like what am I doingwith my life here, you know?

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Then, all of a sudden, the.
So that was the next step whereI felt like I was qualified.
I'm over there.
And they joked over there thatevery white man's gonna be
called ben because I was tallenough to get these, these
fruits called knips off thetrees, which all these kids,
because we were putting a fenceup to block the playground from
people riding their mopeds andeverything through.
That was it.
But these people, they knew wewere there to serve them, that

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we loved them.
Kids would come up just to giveyou a hug.
They weren't getting hugged athome, they just wanted that love
and we'd have night revivals.
I mean, it was just I'd go backin a heartbeat.
And so then you come back andyou're living on fire, and then
you know.
So then the next step, we we hadthe tornado in brookville and
it was.
That was the first time I feltlike the holy spirit was just
like, just go, ben.
Like you don't know what you'regoing to do, just go.

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And so I started pulling off.
You know, we started pullingoff trees and debris and
everything, and then all of asudden, I started having men
from our church at salem andreaching out like how can we
help?
How can we help?
And you know, it's just funnybecause I didn't realize it till
I look back.
When I read that question I waslike, ok, so you start with
faith.
And then God put Lisa in mylife and it's like Ben, be the
man you're called to be for yourfamily.

(27:55):
So then all of a sudden it wasthe next step OK, I'm going to
lead my family church where it'slike, hey, why aren't you going
out and serving, why aren't youbeing one of god's disciples?
Then all of a sudden it's like,okay, now lead.
And then I felt like that wasthe first time that was a leader
.
And it's just looking back.
It was like, okay, where'd yourfaith start?
And then it's like, okay, Icould see every step of faith
that I had and every time thatmy, you know, god used it to

(28:17):
grow my faith.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
And so yeah, that's pretty awesome.
I, I uh know a lot of my faith.
I was raised in the church aswell.
You know we went to churchevery Sunday but, like, like a
lot of young kids, you know,you're like, we got to go to
church again.
Oh boy, you know so much fun weget dressed up.
And so I was there.
But I wasn't there.

(28:38):
And then when I went off tocollege, you know, I was nowhere
near God.
I was, I was living the collegelife.
I was nowhere near God.
I was living the college life.
I was having a good time andeven getting out of college when
I got my first job down inCincinnati and still live with
some of my college buddies andstill having a good time.
And then I met Kim.
And that's when life changedfor me, because I found out what

(29:05):
true love was and I foundsomeone who was the strongest
person in faith that I'd evermet and I was in love with her,
and so she was really that rockfor me that brought me back to
having faith, and I'm sothankful for her and all that

(29:27):
she's she's done for me and nowfor our family.
But more recently, you know,it's still kind of the same
thing, like, always been a goodman, always tried to do right,
you know, always tried to be agood Christian, but never fully
getting into my faith untilreally this last year.
And you know, my prayer was Ithink I said it on last week's

(29:51):
podcast with Maddie is, you know, we could be having a
conversation and I'm looking atyou but I'm not listening to you
, right?
I'm thinking about, I mean,just like today, I was sitting
in a corn planter all day, right, we just had a baby calf right
before we came, and then we hadan issue with a tractor.
I'm running all over and nowI'm here.

(30:11):
Guess what I got to be present,we're live, right, I don't want
to look like an idiot and Ithink that's God's way of saying
, hey, well, you prayed for this, right?
So here you go and so beingpresent, and then also hearing
these stories.
We interview someone almostevery week or a couple of weeks

(30:34):
and when you hear your story,I've known you for 20 years but
I didn't know your story, right.
Your story, I've known you for20 years, sean.
I've known you my whole lifeand I kind of knew your story,
but I didn't.
So when I hear these stories,that's where I hear God just
saying listen, listen to this,listen to this story, listen to
this man you know, listen tothis woman that you don't know

(30:56):
what she's been through, whathe's been through.
And so, really, this last yearfor me has been life-changing.
This podcast for me has beenlife-changing, um to hear these
stories and and to be present,to have to be present when I
hear everybody's story, you knowwhat I hear.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
He loves me anyway yeah isn't that true?
For for all of us, in spite ofwhat we are, all of our failings
, he loved me anyway, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Well, I think Sean hit the nail on the head, right.
I mean, you talked about it inyour first podcast.
You know your dad went tochurch, right, He'd take you
guys to church, but then whatwould he do when he came home?
Not be a holy man, so it's easyto see why you know you didn't
have that faith growing upbecause you didn't have that
great example.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
I think, with the podcast too, though, speaking
for you is that we talk abouttaking a step, so you take a
step and I think God rewardsthat.
When you step out in faith, godrewards it, and I said it
before, opens or closes doors,but if it's the right thing, he
rewards you.
And then I think, because youare doing this and we're saying

(32:13):
this live, we're saying thisrecorded, it's on there forever
you have to be accountable forwhat you say.
I mean honestly, after mypodcast, I honestly think over
that next month I was challengedmore on.
God did it to me on purpose,because he said you're on here

(32:36):
talking all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Now you've got to walk the walk.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
Exactly.
So you know, that was somethingfor me that you know that I
look at with the podcast,because I was I was one of them
that I felt like encouraged you,but in the back of my mind I
was kind of like, wow, it'scrazy, yeah, and he's got all
this stuff going on and now he'sgoing to do this Right, and
maybe because I didn'tunderstand your, your motive

(32:59):
behind it.
But looking back, crazy like ayear, obviously now there it's,
man, I've listened to everysingle second of every episode
and I've shared it with tons ofpeople and I try to share it
like literally every day and uh.
So I think you know, when youstep out in faith, uh, and you

(33:21):
take that step, and God rewardsit, and then you'll make an
impact.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, so yeah, that's a great.
That's a great point because II I've been challenged more this
year than I've ever beenchallenged in a lot of different
things, and I guess I neverlooked at it like that.
That's a good point, sean, haveyou been challenged Slightly?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
So actually after my first podcast, a lady comes up
to me, one of my neighbors, andsays you know what I loved your
podcast, except for one thing.
I was like what she goes?
You said you don't go to church.
I go to her church now.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
That's awesome.
I've been wondering about that,my friend I have too.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
It's funny, I've never texted you and asked you,
but I wondered that same thing.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
And here's what I'll say about that.
I still had a relationship withGod, whether it was good or bad
.
We have a love haterelationship.
I don't know if anyone elsefeels that way about it, but
especially growing up.
But lately it's all love.
But I do want to talk aboutsomething.
I know you're getting ready toask your question, but I want to

(34:26):
talk about something because Ithink this is going to relate to
the podcast and everything.
So, brian, you talked aboutbeing called to start that
non-profit right when you saidthat God was relentless, just
wouldn't take it off your mind.
Right to the podcast andeverything.
So, brian, you talked aboutbeing called to start that
nonprofit right when you saidthat God was relentless, just
wouldn't take it off your mind,right, we have an amazing God,
because I'll tell you right now.

(34:51):
For about 10 years, god has puttell my story, tell it.
I didn't put you through all ofthat not to tell it.
I didn't know how, I didn'tknow what avenue.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
And.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Dan knows what I'm getting ready to say and I had
no clue how to tell my storywhere to go, nothing like that.
And then we got a new headfootball coach at National Trail
and one day he was like hey man, do you know anybody that'll
sponsor our camp?
Man, I just want to put theirlogo on a shirt.
And you know any good guys?
I said, yeah, dan schmidt, letme.
Let me see if I can reach outand get his number to you.

(35:25):
So text.
Dan said hey, dan, we got a newcoach.
He wants you to maybe sponsor acamp.
Dan, sure, send my number, theyget in touch.
Dan, uh, and his company,catrons, sponsors the camp day
one of the camp.
I show up and I see this, thisguy I haven't seen forever.

(35:46):
Um, good looking, bald, bald,shiny old there was a glare.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Thank god I had sunglasses.
Yeah, there was a glare comingoff of it so, uh, it's beautiful
.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
So me and dan start catching up and, um, we're
talking and everything and, likeI said, I want you guys to
understand.
I've been meaning to tell mystory.
It's been on my heart.
God has been telling me.
He's been relentless,relentless but.
I didn't know how, and dan wasgetting ready to leave and we're
talking and he goes.
I don't even know why he saidthis.

(36:24):
I would love for you to talkwhy you said this to me.
I mean, out of the blue, he'sjust like hey, I started a
podcast.
I started a podcast and Ireacted very calm.
I'm like, oh cool, but in myhead instantly, like my head

(36:48):
started spinning.
I'm like this is it because whenyou look for answers, I didn't
tr.
I still have trust issues withwhat I've grown up with.
But as soon, soon as you saidthat to me, I was like this is
it?
Started watching the podcastand I didn't tell you nothing
for a long time because that'sthe stubbornness in me and when
you said that and then I watchedJustin Swertzel's podcast and

(37:12):
I'm like it's time.
And I would like you to talkabout.
Maybe you didn't even know, butGod put that on your heart.
To start a podcast, right?
Yeah, who was your number one?
You were.
You tell me that ain't Godintervened?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
in there even yeah yeah, for years.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, that's powerful and that's why I told you that
that day, and I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah but so you told me that, thinking you'd plant
the seed, correct?
Okay, yeah, I took a few monthsto grow.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I planted a million of them.
Yeah, that's exactly why I didthat, Because and I don't even
know if we talked about it wedid.
In the beginning I said I got abuddy, sean.
He's got a story.
I don't know if he'll tell it.
Pretty stubborn.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Got me pegged yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And so, yeah, I mean, and that's I do that with a lot
of people.
I always try to plant that seedbecause you never know, anybody
that comes up here for the mostpart is pretty nervous, right,
and nobody thinks they have astory.
Matt, you even said that whatdo I got a story about you
kidding me?
I mean, you got a story.
Everybody's got a story.

(38:32):
You know, we met the other weekfor breakfast one morning and I
think it was Matty.
He's like are you?
And I don't know that he meantit in the way that I took it but
he's like are you afraid you'regoing to run out of stories?
And he didn't mean it like that.
But that's how I took it.
No, everybody.
There's 40,000 people in WayneCounty, indiana.
Every single one of them hasgot a story right.

(38:53):
Wayne County, indiana.
Every single one of them hasgot a story right.
Every Saturday and Sunday I runthrough our local cemetery in
Eden and it's an old cemetery.
It's a beautiful cemetery.
My great-grandfather, fo Gurdon, and my grandfather, virgil
Schmidt, had a funeral home.
They probably buried 70% of thepeople in that cemetery from

(39:17):
1901 until my, my grandpaSchmidt died in 1980, 80
probably, I think he sold thefuneral home in like 82 or 83.
Every time I walk through thereI look at every one of those
headstones and I think I wonderwhat that story is.
I wonder what that story is.
I wonder what that story isright.
I'm sure my grandfather and mygreat-grandfather knew that

(39:39):
story.
So that's that's where, withthis podcast, I want to share
those stories, right?
I want to share them so yourgreat-grandkids can look back
and know your story, yours,yours, all of ours, right of
ours, right.
This is time stamped forever.
So I don't know mygreat-grandfather's story.
I know some of my grandfather'sstory man.

(40:03):
I'd give anything to know him,you know, to be able to have
conversations about life, aboutbusiness, about the struggles
that they faced in the late1800s you know, but I don't have
that opportunity.
So yeah, I don't know how I gotoff on that tangent, but my bad.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It was you, sean.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
We gave that guy a hug, it's okay, you go off the
path, but Jesus, get your backto him.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Because it's right here on my iPad.
All right, so great answers,guys.
Question number two Matt.
We'll start with you.
What does it look like to leadwith faith in a world that often
promotes the opposite, and howdo you stay grounded?

Speaker 6 (40:45):
Well, you know, I think in the world today, I mean
there's not a lot of faith whenyou look out overall with the
world.
I mean, the world we live in isso against that.
But I'm actually seeing alittle bit of a shift.
I mean, if I'm being honest,just something as simple, or

(41:07):
maybe as big as some of theseathletes, whereas before I felt
like a lot of times it was ashow, taboo, yeah.
And now whole teams are doingthis, teams playing against each
other are doing this.
And you know, I think that thegreat thing about that is it's

(41:27):
maybe going to be a little bitbetter when our kids and these
people that look up to them seethose, those acts of faith.
And you know, I guess for me itwas one of those things that,
during whenever I have, evenwhen I was in college, when I
had problems this is this wasprobably people thought I was

(41:49):
weird.
I think I told this on mypodcast.
I would, I would use, like whenI had bad thoughts, when I was,
uh, going down the wrong path,I literally would say get behind
me, satan, out loud, and I'mwalking to class Right, and I
mean I can guarantee people arelike what's wrong with this guy,
but I mean it's amazing if you,you know you speak, they talk

(42:12):
about positive self-talk andeverything.
Well, you speak Scripture andguess what?
He's got to listen right,because as a Christian, you have
power over Satan.
So knowing that's literallywhat I was saying is like sorry,
get out of here, leave.
So I think in today's world,with faith and trying to lead,

(42:36):
in a way, it's just youreveryday example.
I talked about it earlier withconsistency, and I struggle with
that.
I struggle with I would say I'mreally good at reading the
Bible in the sense of beingconsistent with that, but prayer
life maybe isn't as goodbecause I've got to stop, be

(42:59):
still stay awake, I mean youknow, you're being honest.
I'm being honest.
I mean, most people will saythat you know if you need to go
to sleep, you know either readyour Bible or pray, you know,
but you know, I think, duringyou know in this world.
I think you have to look inthis world.
I think you have to look at um,what God's already defeated,

(43:19):
like you know, his the victory'salready won.
Now all you have to do is againstep out in faith and whatever
that is, know that he's notgoing to put you through
anything that you can't handle.
That's in scripture.
Anything that you can't handle,that's in scripture, right?
And I think that even with theworld around us, we got to know

(43:40):
that God has a plan and God's incontrol and then, at the same
time, like some of the thingsyou talked about, that happened
to you and you were angry withGod.
At the same time, god createseverything for good, and you
know, and that's what's happenedwith a lot of these stories and
stuff, right.
So I just would say for me,trying to be consistent, and you

(44:04):
have to have the example too,like you've got to walk it if
you're going to talk it.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
What do you think, Brian?

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah.
So to answer that question Iwould go to the scripture verse
that says that we're not to beconformed, but it says rather,
be transformed.
So what I take from that is youcan't be conformed or you can't
be like the world, andsometimes, like you said, that's
not always easy.

(44:34):
You know, I think maybe when Iwas younger I was challenged
with that, maybe a little bitmore.
We all think about well, whatdo you think of me, how do you
see me, how do you perceive me?
Because if we're going to walkthis life in faith, it's going
to look different.
But I think what we shouldreally be focused on is what

(44:54):
does God have for me today?
And it really doesn't matter ifanybody else follows that or
not.
If I'm ridiculed, if I'mchallenged, so be it.
Be strong in the Lord and he'llgive you the strength and grace
to walk in that.
So again, to me I wouldn't sayit's a simple answer, but if you

(45:15):
think about God's Word it'svery direct.
He says we're not to beconformed but be transformed.
If you're transformed, you'redifferent, and he's made us to
be different, not that we'retrying to stand out, but when we
walk in the pattern of Christ,it's going to be very different
in the pattern of Christ it'sgoing to be very different.

(45:36):
So if you think about in Acts Ithink it's maybe the only time
in the New Testament that itspeaks about a Christian it says
they were first calledChristians at Antioch.
They didn't name themselvesChristians, they were called
Christians.
And why is that?
They were different?
They were transformed, theywere not conformed to the others

(45:57):
in this world.
So to me that again not an easyanswer, but in concept it's
very easy.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
I would just add to that, though, transformed
doesn't mean perfect.
Otherwise why would he die forus, Right, Dr Darrell Bock?
So I think transformed is agreat.
I mean it's great because youhave to go from one thing to
another.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
So you are different, dr Darrell Bock, and we're
still growing.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
Dr, Darrell Bock, but we're still growing.
You never totally get there.
You don't confuse thattransformation as being perfect,
because you're going tocontinue to screw up, but you're
going to continue to grow fromthose mistakes.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
Matt, that's a really , really good point, because
when I so, I was baptizedearlier in life and I remember
thinking, man, this is going tobe great, my problems are over.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
I'm not going to be tempted anymore.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
I'm not going to talk the way I used to talk.
You know the things that Iwanted to do.
Now that that's that's going tobe put behind me.
I got this easy.
This is going to be such aneasy walk now because I've been
obedient to God's call and youknow, I think that was true for
about four or five days, andthen Satan, he just puts it on

(47:16):
you.
So you're right.
I think we have to be mindfulthat, yeah, we're striving to be
like Christ, but we'll never beperfect.
And I need to hear that because, you know, I think I might have
shared with you or somebodyelse recently.
I remember I was very young.
My mom looked at me and Ididn't understand why she said

(47:39):
this.
But she looks at me and shesaid you're a perfectionist.
I didn't know what that meant,but I think in my older life
I've translated that a littlebit into thinking that somehow,
maybe, if I live well enough,there's going to be perfection,
and I know better.
So I appreciate you bringingthat up.

(47:59):
I need to be reminded thatthat's the mark, but we're
depressed toward that mark.
We're not going to achieve it.
That day's coming.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah, for sure.
What do you think, Sean?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I think I should have answered this question first,
because then you guys could havebrought it home.
Honestly, I don't live my lifein faith a lot, and that's just
God's honest truth, man, andI've been thinking about this,
see, this is why I didn't wantto know the questions, because I
don't know how to answer itother than honestly.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
That's what we want.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I can't hide around it man, that's why you're here.
I struggle at it.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
You think all the listeners aren't struggling with
it.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I know, and that's why I'm talking and telling them
the truth.
My faith is I know God has myback and you talk about how you
think, when you give your lifeto Christ, that it's going to be
.
So the crazy thing when I wentto that church that day, the
preacher had a bunch of sandtoys, a bunch of beach toys,

(49:05):
volleyballs and all of thisstuff over here.
And then over here on this side, he had just one single book
bag.
So he goes over here and, likeyou said, you side, he had just
one single book bag.
So he goes over here and, likeyou said, you thought this, this
is going to be fun.
I got a relationship with thelord and we're going to play in
the sand, we're going to swim inthe ocean and everything is
great.
It's not like that, if anything.
It's like, like you said, it's,it's challenging.

(49:27):
You know, living up to thewords, walking the walk.
Then over here he talks about abackpack.
What's a backpack?
Is it just functionality, right?
You know, just just put it onyour back and you know you,
god's got your back, man and um,that's my faith.
I know god has challenged meand I know he has challenged me

(49:53):
more than I'd want to bechallenged, so you can stop at
any time, but my faith is.
I know I'll be alright and Iknow I don't.
You know, I don't know.
One of my buddies used to callit Bible something.
People, I don't, I can't talkscripture, I just feel God.

(50:14):
I don't read the Bible hardly.
People, I don't.
I can't talk Scripture, I justfeel God.
I don't read the Bible hardlyat all.
I read a devotional, a dailydevotional, and that helps a lot
.
It's because it's just smallsmall verses descriptions, a

(50:35):
prayer to go with it.
Eventually, I'll get to theBible.
That's the way I feel, man.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
That's just me being honest, but I'd rather be able
to feel him than feel nothing atall.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yep, wow yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
And you know what, sean?
Wow, yeah.
And you know what, sean.
Probably 75% of our listenersprobably are just like you they
can't quote scripture.
I can quote some scripture, butI don't read the Bible.
I've tried, I do every now andthen I just try to live my life

(51:16):
as I know you want me to live tohelp others, to be a good man.
I'm trying to learn more andthat's again that's my faith.
Journey has really grown thispast year with this podcast, and

(51:36):
so I don't know what next yearlooks like.
But I know, just like you, Iknow he's got my back.
I know I'm going to take thatstep every day to get better, to
walk the walk, because it it,it's a lot.
You know we're up here everyweek talking, you know, saying
all these, these, these grandthings and and being very
vulnerable in our lives and ourand, and, you know, with our
families and telling our stories.

(51:57):
And you know can't be goinghanging out at the bar on friday
night getting getting drunk,right.
You know I mean that's not andthat's not who I am, but you
still.
You know there's, there'salways temptations in life,
right?
So what about you?

Speaker 1 (52:13):
yeah, uh, you awake yeah, no, I'm just it, just it,
just doing different becauseright now, you know, I think I
told you dan, um.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
So, jude, this year has turned 12 and this is
something that I've beendreaming about, and size in
there, uh what's up Cy?
So I talk to the boys.
There's a book called and Imentioned it several times on
the podcast called Play the man,and so it's basically with your
boys.
The guy does it, mark Battersonis his name, but basically the

(52:50):
year when they turn 12 to 13,that's the year of discipleship,
so that's the year that you'retrying to develop them into
becoming a man.
So this year I'm like I readthis book like four years ago.
So I'm just sitting here andI've thought about it all this
time and I have this great longlist that I want to do with Jude
.
Like, okay, we're going to readthe Bible every single day
together.
We're going to have a, and youknow, I'm sitting here and I I

(53:14):
just it was funny because Ican't get, you know, just can't
get him to to really want to doit, and it's a lot to put on him
when you really think about it.
You know what I mean,especially hearing like you guys
like I just don't, you know notand that's okay right, right,
100, it's okay.
But you know, the other day ithit me like a ton of bricks when
dan, you know, I'm telling him,he's like what are you still
doing that with Jude?
And I'm like he just doesn'twant it.

(53:34):
And he's like well, is that, isthat on, jude, or is that just
poor leadership?

Speaker 5 (53:39):
And I'm like I didn't say that.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
I promise you, I think you said it, I think you
said it off the cuff, like, justlike a joke, but it hit me.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
It sounds like something Dan would say yeah,
damn good yeah and I know youdidn't mean it, I was saying to
sean I well I got a story laterthat we're gonna talk about

Speaker 4 (53:57):
now we're gonna roast them.
No, I'm just kidding, but ithit me like a ton of bricks.
I'm like a man.
So I sat jude down and and judeand I jude, and I talked about
it like I don't know this.
I think we're on day 20, 21maybe, of we're just gonna read
the new testament, like that'sour goal now.
It's for the rest of the year.
It's like 46 days.
We're just going to read the newTestament, like that's our goal
now.
It's for the rest of the year.
It's like 46 days.
We're going to read the newTestament and I've made sure
that we've been on track ofreading it.

(54:18):
But it's like it hit me like aton of bricks.
I'm like man, like maybe I'mnot leading my family the way
that that I'm supposed to beleading it.
You know Cause?
Because you know the whole planwas we're going to do, you know
, read the Bible.
We're going to have prayer time, stuff like that, and we have

(54:38):
done it, but we haven't done itthe way that I want to do it.
Because if I can set them up atthis age to do it, man, so I
think you said something there.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
You haven't done it the way you want to do it, Right
exactly.
So, I think that's what you gotto be careful of is that you
have to pray about it yourselfright and see where god leads
you, because, uh, you talkedabout bible thumpers or somebody
that you know like I don'tbelieve standing on a corner
telling people that they'regoing to go to hell right if
they don't repent, to me is notthe best way to draw people to

(55:06):
christ no right yeah uh.
So you know, I would challengeyou in that that you know you
yourself become closer and, andit will, you know your, your,
your kids and your sons will belike okay, I want to be like
that right right, and thenobviously you have to be
intentional, so I'm not saying,well, don't, don't, don't have a
plan right but sometimes thatplan would change a little bit.

(55:29):
Yeah, because you don't want topush them away either, right?
I remember in junior high Istopped going to church because
you know I want to push themaway.
Either, right, I remember injunior high I stopped going to
church, or I gave my mom a hardtime about going to church
because I just was like this isboring.
It's the same thing every time,you know, and it wasn't fun,
you know, and so, like those arethings where you also have to

(55:53):
at certain ages, you have tomake it fun for them.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
I mean, when I first got really interested in church
I think I said it on my podcastis because there was a really
pretty girl there and theiryouth group did some fun stuff.
So I'm like this is cool man,like there's a really good
looking girl at this, you know.
But my point is, like you know,yeah you have to get yourself
out of the way, sometimes tooright and I'm speaking to myself

(56:17):
when I'm trying to make myplans right what I'm hearing is
choose your moments yeah,because that's why I struggle
with those moments and let thembe teaching moments yeah,
because it's so hard comes in a

Speaker 4 (56:29):
lot of forms yeah, I feel like it's so hard as a
father these days to father kidsand and try get them to, you
know, be in church and stay in.
Because I look back when therewas no social media, there was
no, you know a lot of thedifferent things that are
pulling kids away nowadays andgrowing up not really growing up
in church.
Right, and I'm like man.

(56:49):
If I would have known God backthen, if I would have been in
Scripture back then, because Ibelieve the Bible is the living
word, right, like, when I readthe Bible I might read, you know
, in the New Testament you mightread it twice, or I might read
the same verse twice indifferent plans.
Two different things hit meright and like you're like man,
like I just read that a monthago and I did not get that from

(57:10):
that same exact verse, like, andit's that's why I believe it's
like the living word, likethat's where I hang to and it's
just like man.
If I could have had that backthen, you know how much
different would I've been backthen.
How much struggles did I gothrough where I would have known
that jesus was with me soonerand and those troubles would

(57:30):
have been easier, and it's likeyou want that for your kid.
Why not be a Bible thumper?
Which?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I agree 100%.
There are two specific examplesI was thinking of.
I don't remember which one ofyou were talking about, how you
see it changing Now.
It used to be a cool thing.
We can think about the OhioState Buckeyes this year, what
they've done and how powerfulthat was for so many young
people, how awesome it was.

(57:59):
I got two specific examplesbeyond that that I was really
shocked.
So you know, nate, my freshmanson, was playing varsity
basketball in a tournament.
They're playing a public school, northridge, who is an urban
school, and they kicked the snotout of us.

(58:21):
And after the game the coachgot all of the team, or his
whole team, and all thecheerleaders in a big circle in
the middle of the gym.
They all held hands and theyall said a prayer.
In a public school's, in apublic school by a public school
it was.
The whole gym went silent.
It was an amazing thing to see.

(58:43):
I would have never in a millionyears.
It wasn't the north ridge.
I remember as a kid and it wasall 100 because of that coach.
No doubt you could just tell bythe way those, those young men
played basketball how theyhandled themselves and then
doing that at the end of thegame.
It was powerful.
No doubt you could just tell bythe way those young men played
basketball how they handledthemselves, and then doing that
at the end of the game.
It was powerful.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
And then the second thing, and this episode hasn't
been out yet.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I was about to say the same thing.
Yeah, but last week we wereover at National Trail Schools
and interviewing a bunch ofyoung 16, 17, 18-year-old kids
and I asked the question andthis is a spoiler alert, I guess
, for the end of that episode,but I asked the question if you
could sit on a park bench andhave a conversation with anyone

(59:27):
living or deceased, who would itbe and why?

Speaker 4 (59:30):
And I think there were five officers that were
standing up there, but they evenlooked at the side too of the
other kids, and they all kind ofjust nodded.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Yeah, and the one young man got up and spoke for
them.
He said we all kind of talkedabout this question and we all
had the same answer and it wasJesus.
And I'm like really I was justshocked.
I was shocked that thatwouldn't have been your answer
in high school.
That wouldn't have been myanswer in high school.

(59:57):
You know what I mean?
I was blown away and they gotdone explaining why and I said,
all right, somebody else, doesanybody else here have someone
else they'd like to speak to?
They all said no same one.
I mean, I was shocked.
I was shocked to hear that.
So I think there is a changeDefinitely from, I think, when I

(01:00:20):
was in school.
For sure, and especially comingout of the last I don't know
five years of the politicalcycle that we've been through
and the chaos of COVID and allthat stuff, I can feel the
change.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
And I think it's important what you guys are
doing.
Yeah, oh, I agree and I thinkthe government can try to take
God out of the schools, andthat's where parenting comes in.
And that's where and I'm likeyou, I'm speaking for myself
like I need to lead better infaith, yeah, and that's why I
started going to church, amongstother reasons, speaking for

(01:00:55):
myself, like I need to leadbetter in faith, and that's why
I started going to church,amongst other reasons.
But to set an example, andwe've got to take our country
back.
It gets back to it, and if weexpect the government to do that
, we're in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
So that's where what you guys are doing is greatly
important, and there's a lot ofother podcasts that talk about
it and I think, like Matt said,I think there's a huge shift in
athletes.
Yeah.
And the younger generation, andit is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah, and it's great.
It's a great thing to see Allright.
Question three for you, sean asleaders, how do you handle
failure, not just personally,but when others are watching?
Depending on you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
How I do it now or how I did it for 20 years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Give us both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I'll go with now.
So if you fail at something,you have to like Jocko good,
like okay, I didn't knowsomething.
That's why I failed at it.
Let me learn.
How did I fail?
All right, analyze it, look atit.

(01:02:08):
Don't point fingers.
Look at yourself.
You guys are business owners,I'm a manager and all that type
of thing For me.
If something goes wrong in mydepartment, I can't blame
anybody else.
So you've got to takeresponsibility.
First period and I think maybeit was last week when you guys

(01:02:33):
were talking about failure Likefailure is not failure unless
you give up.
Failure is just a steppingstone for you to improve and I
truly believe that, and I coachfootball and a lot of times I
don't see these kids willing tofail in the weight room.
Their excuse and yes, nationalTrail, national trail, the kids.

(01:02:55):
You know who I'm talking aboutwhen you're listening to this
like fail the conviction um Ijust saw his face change trying
to be cool.
Sorry, the coach just came.
Yeah, man, that was, that wasreal, I saw.

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
And he looked at the camera too, no he hadn't looked
at the camera yet, and he's likeIs there any specific names
you'd like?

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
to call them no.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
You don't have to, they already know.
Yeah, yeah, look one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
They know who they are.
Yeah, back to the point, though.
Like I see so many people notgiving effort because they're
afraid of failure.
They're afraid of if I give itmy all and I still fail,
so-and-so will make fun of me orthis, that and the other, who
cares?

(01:03:43):
You'll learn, you'll grow.
Growth is hard.
People don't really talk aboutgrowth and how hard it is.
You have to fail, you have to.
I forget which business ownerit is, maybe it was the guy that
watched that show where theybuy your business Shark Tank.

(01:04:05):
One of the Shark Tanks will askhow many times have you ever
failed?
And if they say you haven'tfailed three times, then they
won't even touch your businessbecause they know how important
failure is to you.
And yeah, 25, seven, eightyears ago I probably wouldn't
have handled failure like I donow because I just wasn't in a

(01:04:27):
good place mentally, spirituallyand all that type of thing.
But, man, you have to look outlike failure is good as long as
you're not, you cannot pointfingers and point blame anywhere
else.
It's got to be responsibility.
When I failed at my marriage,like I wanted to, but the fact
of the matter is I I had to lookat it as a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
I see my brother just made a post up there says
failures feedback.
It is because it's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
If you fail at something you don't know, like,
all right, I'm not like thatsubject or whatever that is I
failed at, so let me go look atthat and you learn.
Next time it comes up, you'rebetter prepared for it Fail
again.
Okay, Now you have twoexperiences and you grow on that
until you become an expert Nowas a coach.

(01:05:27):
Mistakes everyone's going tomake mistakes.
We all make mistakes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Don't make the same mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Do not make the same mistake.
Learn, not make the samemistake.
Learn from your mistakes.
But failure is good.
That means you're taking risk,that means you're putting
yourself out there for thelongest time.
A little gut shot here tomyself I didn't fail because I
didn't try.
If you, if you don't fail,you're're not right.
Yeah, that's great, good luck.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
He just took half of my answer.
I know I'd say 75%.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
My answer, I think you know I would say this with
he hit on it where a lot oftimes we don't, it's because we
don't want to fail.
We don't step out there, wedon't, we don't do anything
challenging.
We're in a comfort lane,comfort lane and boy feels, you
know comfort is, you knowcomfort feels good at times.

(01:06:28):
But you know, when you stay inthat comfort zone you will will
not grow.
So you know, put yeah, pushingyourself to, to fail in whatever
it is.
I think people are scared to saythey failed Right.
But I think once you realizewhat it can do for you and how
to learn from it, like you saidyou, you don't want to continue

(01:06:49):
to make the same mistake overand over and over.
That is failure.
That's not, that's not growingright.
But when you can fail, learnfrom it and know like, okay,
this is the direction that Ineed to go and then follow that
path.
I think that with failure it isall about your attitude and how

(01:07:10):
you handle that.
You say you know back in, youknow 10, 20 years ago you know
you failed at something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You probably punched the guy in the face or something
you know surely if he was fromsouth, okay, and then he got
punched back but uh, but no, Imean, you know, you it, and you
tend to blame other.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
When you, when you are not mature enough to handle
failure, you blame others, yousay well, it wasn't meant to be.
You get frustrated and you actout or you do things to
basically hide your failures.
As you become a little bit moremature and as you become a

(01:07:51):
little bit more disciplined, youstart to think okay, I'm
stepping out, I'm going to dothis.
If I fail which you know, Iwill say this you better enter
every game, every situation,expecting to win.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
But then know that from those failures, when you
don't win, when you don't meetyour goal, now what can you do
different to challenge yourselfthe next time?

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah, that's good.
I see we got jason koger on air.
Brad van vliet, koger failsdaily.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
That's what he said, that's not my words, that's his
that's his happy limb loss month, he's been posting.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Man, he's been posting, I know, I know what do
you think about failure, brianwell, they've answered that
really well, so I guess I'llhave to put a little different
twist on it.
You asked as leaders, so I'llapproach it from that angle.
As a leader, you know peoplewill only follow when they see
you being authentic and real.

(01:08:58):
And and you know, if somethinggoes wrong within the company
business, it can be in your ownfamily.
If you don't own that and youkind of touched on that, sean
you have to own it, and youremployees, your wife, your
children, they're going to seethat.
They know if you have taken awrong step, said something wrong

(01:09:22):
, made a bad decision, they knowit, you can't hide that.
But the best thing you can dois own it.
And then the sooner you own it,the sooner you can fix it too.
Again, I don't know that I havea whole lot more to say,
because these two covered itreally well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Yeah, you got anything Ben.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
I agree, that's the easy answer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
We got a couple questions out here.
Do you get to read that far?
You can't see that, Sean.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Dan has bad eyes too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Yeah, I can see it from this far, rose.
What's up, rose?
She says it is what it is isone of her least favorite
sayings.
An excuse that you can't change.
Yeah, I don't like that either.
And Carrie, hi Carrie, heyCarrie.
It says how important are malefriendships in your lives, and
what does maintenance of thoserelationships look like in

(01:10:17):
everyday life?
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Read it again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
How important are male friendships in your lives,
and what does maintenance ofthose relationships look like in
everyday life?

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Can I take that one first?
Yeah, go ahead.
I really want to hear whatthese guys have to say.
This is an area that I feellike I really need to improve
upon, and I don't want to speakin general, but this is what I
think is probably going on withmost men, myself included.
I don't need help.

(01:10:51):
If I have a relationship withanother guy, if it's going to be
real, that means it's going tobe vulnerable and authentic,
right?
So what's that mean?
You're peeling back the layersand you allow them to see the
real me.
As men, we're not very good atthat.
I'm not, you know, in myposition, you know, with husband

(01:11:17):
, father, business, thenonprofit boards that I sit on,
involved in church, I can't bevulnerable, and why?
Because I have to be strong.
They cannot see any weakness.
I have to be strong for them,and I realize those are some

(01:11:44):
barriers I need to break downand I'm trying to improve that
Because it's important.
You know I don't have all theanswers.
I try my best, but I don't haveto be honest.
So what do we do about that?
The best thing that we can dois surround ourselves with men
better than ourselves.
It's probably one of thegreatest pieces of advice.
Surround ourselves with greatmen.
You know we all haveacquaintances and friends in

(01:12:08):
life.
They may or may not support you, they may not uplift you, they
may not be there in yourchallenges to give you the words
of encouragement that youreally need, or be there when
you need it most.
But I also need those that havesound advice that comes from a
place of wisdom, and I think youguys are part of that for me

(01:12:29):
and I appreciate it.
I'm getting to know this guy alittle better.
I'm getting to know Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Yeah, that's a good question, Kerry, and you know, I
think that's something for methat again this last year has
really opened my eyes of howimportant it is not just to have
friends but to have thosemeaningful conversations that
you and I have months and andnow I mean I feel closer to to

(01:13:02):
you guys, you know, then then Ihave my whole life right.
I've known most of you a betterpart of my life.
So I think it's very importantwhat you said, because as men we
do hold things in right, youknow whether.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
One you touched on this in your podcast.
There are some things and youwere absolutely right.
There are some things,especially with our family.
We need to struggle as men.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
We need to.
You can't vomit on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Exactly.
I remember you saying thatExactly.
I didn't mean to interrupt you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
No, you did, but you nailed that, Sean.
Yeah, go ahead and talk aboutthat, sean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Well, it's just one of those moments that I screwed
up.
Let's face it, I worked at ajob that I hated.
Now I want you to understand,brian.
If you went home and you toldyour wife you hated your job,
what would the burden of thatput on her, without even knowing
what I was doing?
And that's a mistake I made andI hated my job.

(01:14:04):
I worked at the travel centerand we talked about it in my
second podcast, man where it wasjust a toxic environment 24
hours a day.
And you come home and, man, noamount of money is worth that
situation and and you're right,man, and unfortunately I'm here

(01:14:24):
to tell the men you have to keepthat stuff to yourself.
You have to fight your owndemons.
And that's why the question isvery important what she said,
because if I'm telling youthat's okay, right, you're
telling your spouse not okay.
You have to be stoic as a manand you have to, like you said,

(01:14:48):
you have to be strong.
If you're freaking out as aleader, you give everybody else
panic.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
You allow that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
You allow that you allow that, and that's why, as
men and as leaders, you have tobe that way.
I can't spew what's in my headall the time.
People would think I'm nuts.
So you got it, I'm serious.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
You are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I probably.
Just kidding and I mean you'reright.
Like you're right, there isthings that we got to push deep
down and you got to work throughit on your own.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Um, so how does someone somebody may be
listening right now, who may belike you, who was working a job
that they absolutely hate, andthey come home every day and
they tell their wife, they telltheir kids.
I mean, sometimes you don'teven have to say anything, right
?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
You have this.
I know the question and I'msorry I jumped in but this is
the easiest answer ever Form arelationship with God.
Period.
He'll guide you, and it's thatsimple.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Yeah, but it took you 38 years to figure that out and
I'm still learning, yeah, yeahI think it's important.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
It talks about the male relationships.
I think that you have to, justlike, every person is an
individual, you have to havedifferent, different friends of
different uh, that one friendthat you can call in the middle
of the night and they'll comeover and they'll help you out or
they'll talk to you.
What are you doing in themiddle of the night?

(01:16:28):
Exactly, right?
Hey, you might be the guy who'dcall if I'm in trouble and I
need somebody.
Okay, you know someone to throwdown or something, right?
You know you might need someonewho is more of a spiritual
guide.
You know you might need someonethat's able to talk to you and
say you're screwing up, man,like, what's going on?

(01:16:52):
You used to be doing this andnow you're off here.
So for me, I think that'simportant not only to have male
you know male friend friendships, but also to have them in ways
that they're guys that can behonest with you and that can
hold you accountable.
And it's weird because I thinkguys, like it says you know how,

(01:17:13):
what's the?
I think the maintenance is whatshe said how do you, how do you
how?
What does the maintenance ofthose relationships look like?
Well, that's the weird thing,you know, like for guys it looks
totally different than forwomen, right?
So like it might be for us,like I could not hear from you.
Know, I talked to you quite abit.
I could not hear from you, foryou know, a couple months, and

(01:17:37):
then you call me or you text me,and it's right, you know, I'm
texting right back, right, andI'm not mad that you didn't,
that we didn't talk, for youknow, I'll have my wife ask me
hey, you see anybody at the gymthis morning?
Yeah, oh, would you guys, youknow, would you we didn't talk?
Well, right, but I said give afist bump and that's it Right.
But's time where I was having ayou know some, some struggles

(01:18:00):
and you took the time to sitthere and talk to me, right.
And then, at the same point intime, I remember you came to me
and we both said, hey, we prayfor you.
And and then be sincere whenyou say, if you need anything,
yeah, get a hold of me.
Because that's just like whenyou ask someone how you doing
Right, do you really want toknow how they're doing, or is it

(01:18:22):
just that's what you say, right?
So when you say you know, hey,man, if you need anything and
I'll be praying for you, youbetter be accountable to that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Well, and on top of that, what I tried to do, I
think it's important to followup.
I think it's important tofollow up later.
You know when, when we had ourconversations, when you were
going through some, some thingsand I was going through some
things, I put a reminder.
So now I got out to my car, Iput a reminder on my phone text,
matt, how everything went today.
You know, I think that'simportant.

(01:18:51):
It's it's like you said beintentional with what you're
saying, but then also follow up.
I think that's that's veryimportant um to do, because then
it shows you.
Okay, he was listening to me hedidn't just say, hey, how's your
day going, or then you actuallycare, yeah, exactly care,
actually yeah yeah, greatquestion, carrie.

(01:19:13):
All right, question number four.
Who's up sean I?

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
think I went first time I think you just made that
up.
Well, let's see If this is thefourth question.
One, two, three, oh then guesswhat?

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Guess who's trying to avoid Ben.
All right, ben, this one's toyou.
What advice would you give toyour younger self about
leadership and staying rooted inyour beliefs through a tough
season?

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Well, I kind of go back to what we talked about.
Well, actually, let me jumpback first to what we were just
talking about.
So I believe it was what yousaid about you need to develop
that right, and so we've beendoing like a verse every week
that we're trying to memorize,and so this week's, this past
week's, was, uh, proverbs 17 17a friend is always loyal and a

(01:20:06):
brother is born to help wheneverin a time of need.
But that whole thing, like whencarrie said that, what popped
my head is who do I have in mylife right now?
That, and it sounds bad, butyou can't really foster those
relationships like I don't feel,like I have enough time in the
day to foster a, you know, atrue relationship.

(01:20:26):
So, um, I remember a season inmy life where I had someone
where you know it was a malethat we both were going through
things and we're able to beauthentic and share with you
know, you know it's just I don'tfeel you.
You have to be able to trustsomebody to have an authentic
relationship where you canreally peel back layers, right,
because as men we bury it right.
Well, if you have stuff burieddeep that you know you're

(01:20:48):
dealing with, you're strugglingwith.
You keep that stuff buriedunless you really trust someone
you know and so that's just.
I thought it was what you saidand what the scripture we had
this week kind of hit on thehead.
A friend is always loyal, but abrother is born to help in time
of need.
I don't believe that's talkingabout a brother like blood
brother.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
It's a brother in Christ, a brother that you need
whenever you need help.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Yeah, and I think, something I've realized in
probably the last six months.
I mean, we went to breakfasttogether and had some
conversations.
We've gotten together and hadquite a few conversations.
I think it's important to dothat, to carve out time in your
schedule, cause everybody's busy.
Get something on the calendar,you know, and and maybe that,
maybe that carries asking thisquestion maybe for Mark, her

(01:21:36):
husband, um, you know, I don'tknow, but I think it's important
for uh, us as men, whoever thatperson is for you, you know,
and it can be different, right,it can be different.
Maybe once a month, gettogether with somebody for lunch
, for breakfast, um, go have acup of coffee, drink a beer,
drink a beer, whatever it is,but just to have that, have a

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real, true conversation.
Not how is your day?
Like, hey dude, how's lifegoing?

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
How's the kid?

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Yeah, how's the kids, how's the family, how's
business, how's work, whateverit is.
I think it's important because,um, you know, as men, like you
said, sean, there's a lot ofthings you hold in that you
don't.
You don't want to word vomit onon your family and on on, but
you can with those malecompanions.
So I think that's important.

(01:22:23):
So now back to the question,ben that you were trying to
avoid.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
I thought I went first last time.
Well then I'll take this one.
I'm just kidding, I'm justkidding.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Trying to avoid.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
So the younger me, obviously I didn't handle
failure well at all.
You know, younger it was alwayswell.
I failed because I didn't tryhard enough.
That was always my big thing.
So I would try to read aveteran scripture and I wish I
knew, I wish I had somebody totell me you know, failure is
where you grow.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yeah, that wasn't the question.
We were just thinking the samething.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
I went that way.
Cy question we were justthinking the same thing I went
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Si, are you listening to your dad in there?
He's trying to avoid thesequestions.
You aren't listening.
No, the question.
So here I'll start.
You go second.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
I went with what was on my heart a minute ago and I
forgot the question.
I should have asked you toreread it.
That's my fault.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Hey Kevin, can you edit this?

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Nope, poor leadership .

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Wait, hold on Cy.
What do you got, cy?

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Answer the question.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Answer the question.
Thank you, Cy.
Oh, so what advice would yougive your younger self about
leadership and staying rooted inyour beliefs through a tough
season?
So I'll answer this.
I go back, I say it every week,I think is just keep going.
So, no matter what the daybrings, no matter what the

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challenge is, no matter how goodthings are, you just got to
keep taking that step.
You got to keep taking thatstep every day.
I think about it when I walk inthe Arboretum.
I think about it when I'm atthe cemetery and I'm running is
no matter how bad this hurts, nomatter how bad today was, no
matter what phone call Ireceived or what challenge I'm
going through or somebody I knowis going through.

(01:24:08):
The advice I would give to myyounger self is just keep going,
Even when things feel likethey're going to stop.
They're not.
The world's not going to stopbecause you had a bad day.
So that would be the advice Iwould give to my younger self.
What about you guys?

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
Repeat that again.
I want to make sure I get thequestion just right, because
there's part of that, the secondpart of that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
What advice would you give to your younger self about
leadership and staying rootedin your beliefs through a tough
season?
Rooted in your beliefs througha tough season.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
So my younger self, with leadership, going through
the tough seasons, I would tellmy younger self and Ben alluded
to this and you got onto him forit but I would remind myself
there's going to be somefailures and they might be ugly,
they could be brutal, but asyou lead, whether it is your

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family, the church, yourbusiness, I would tell them that
younger self, god has this heknows everything before it comes
to pass.
He doesn't dictate it, but heknows and that he'll be there.
He'll support you, support me,giving you the strength that I

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need for that day, not not inthe.
You know, sometimes I think wetry to lump all of this into the
big picture, but you know it's,it's now, it's the here and now
.
God, us, right now, and that'llbe enough and that will teach
you through those experiences.
Then you go to the next day andyou build upon it and I think

(01:25:46):
that's probably a message thatfor my younger self, I would
have.
I really needed that that it'sgoing to be OK.
You know I'm, you know I'mimpatient by nature.
It's going to be OK, you knowI'm.
You know I'm impatient bynature.
I try to fast forwardeverything, trying to get to the
next goal so that I can then goon to the next challenge.

(01:26:08):
That's, I guess, kind of howI'm wired, but I think sometimes
slow down, enjoy the experience.
Do you hear what I just said?
Enjoy the experience.
Sometimes I am so busy I'm noteven stopping to enjoy it.
I'll give you an example.
So you guys, are you all fourplayed football?
I didn't have that chance oropportunity Anyway.

(01:26:29):
So I've got three grandsons,and one of my granddaughters
she's two and a half.
So just yesterday we're in thebackyard playing football and
I'm getting them wound up.
And so the oldest boy he's 11,down to the three and a half
year old, and he's just anabsolute bulldog.
And so what are they going todo?

(01:26:51):
They're going to tackle Pappy.
So I've got little Isla in myarms and I tell her growl.
So we're grow, growling, andthey get me down and I'm trying
to shield her so that shedoesn't get crushed.
And I'm laying there with thesegrandkids on my they're all
over me trying to get thefootball away from us and I you
know what ran through my mind bepresent, enjoy the experience.

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That younger self needed tohear that.
Just Just enjoy the ride.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
I had that same experience yesterday.
Ryan and I went into town, wentto the fort and we were looking
for crawdads.
And so Ryan's 10, and I wantedto be walking and rucking.
I wanted to get my workout in,and so I was hoping I could
leave him at the creek and thenI could go do my ruck.

(01:27:39):
And he's like where are yougoing?
I was like I'm going to go domy walk.
He's like no, you said we'regoing to look for crawdads.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
He's holding you accountable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
He was he was, and it clicked right.
Then it was like no, you toldhim you were going to bring him
here to look for crawdad.
And so we did.
We started at one end of thecreek and we went to the other
and and we had a great time, andat ryan, if you're listening
right now, you, um, he wasafraid to get four of them and I
got the first one and then wewere going to leave and I said,

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hey, wait till I tell nate youdidn't get that crawdad because
you're afraid he was going topinch you.
And he got, he ended up gettingone, so, but the same thing it
was being.
It was being present in themoment and it clicked because my
10-year-old said where are yougoing?

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Now, did that count as an outdoor workout?

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
I'm not on 75 hard rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Just making sure you got tackled by a 3-year-old,
Brian.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
Yeah, we need to talk .
Trust me, he's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Oh, that's good.
What about you, Matt?
What advice would you give toyour younger self about
leadership when things are tough?

Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
I would say that you know to have more of a plan.
I think a lot of times I wentthrough and I didn't have, I
didn't think out steps that Ishould follow, I just kind of
went with it.
I didn't think out steps that Ishould follow, I just kind of
went with it.
And I think you know there isscripture that says you know
that God basically plans eachstep.

(01:29:06):
You know we have our own path,but he guides our steps.
But I don't think I had enoughof a plan.
I do think that you have toprepare and I don't know that,
as my younger self, that Iprepared.
I just kind of thought, well,I'm good enough to get this done
, whether it was in my businessfamily.

(01:29:28):
So I feel like now I'm a littlebit more intentional with my
steps.
It doesn't mean that I'mguiding everything.
I try to obviously let you know, let the Lord lead me in what I
do, but I feel like now Idefinitely think through things
in a different manner.
We mature as we get a littlebit older and then I think

(01:29:50):
following through with thosesteps and being more consistent.
When I was younger, I was a hardworker in almost everything I
did.
I feel like, however, don't youknow, I was a hard worker in
almost everything I did.
I feel like, uh, however, youknow, was my consistency, there
was my, you know, my dedicationwas there, but I don't know that
I was consistent.
So I feel like, and then, in myfaith, the same exact way, I

(01:30:13):
had a lot of, a lot of desireand a lot of, you know, drive in
that sense, but, man, a lot ofdesire and a lot of you know
drive in that sense, but man, Iwas so inconsistent in my
actions that a lot of times Iwas just felt almost guilt
because here I am, got all these, you know, these ideas of
things that I should be doingand I'm not right.
So, I think, having having alittle bit more of a plan

(01:30:36):
looking back, uh, I mean whatyou guys said, to keep going,
you know, enjoying it, you knowI think about that with my kids,
uh, I worked a ton when I, whenthey were real little, so I'd
get home and get to, you know,put them to bed maybe, and that
was about it, because by thetime I got up in the morning
they weren't up yet by the timeI got home it was about bedtime

(01:31:00):
and you know I, but I will tellyou, I cherish those moments,
but maybe I should have beenlike planned it out a little bit
better to get home a little bitearlier, you know, uh, so that
I could enjoy those moments.
That's one reason why I don'tmiss anything now.
Yeah, I don't miss anythingyeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
What do you think, sean?

Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
what was the question , younger self?

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
what advice would you give to your younger self about
leadership?
I?

Speaker 6 (01:31:28):
think it was fear of failure something like that
right um leadership is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
You have to have thick skin, you have to make the
hard decisions and knowing thatyou're going to have to make
tough decisions, I've had tofire good people for dumb
mistakes, good solid people fordumb mistakes.
Man, I remember a kid thatworked for me.
Man, our drawer was $5 over andhe decided to put it in his

(01:32:00):
pocket instead of keeping it inthe drawer and I had to fire a
great kid.
Great kid.
He was assistant manager forfor me and I had to fire him for
$5.
So you have to have thick skin.
You have to do the hard thingsa lot of the times.
You have to have thick skin.
You have to do the hard thingsa lot of the times.

(01:32:23):
But I wish I'd have known that,because everybody wants to be
the captain of the football teamuntil you have to do the
captain's work, that's right,you have to lead by example, you
have to be the front of the 40sand all of that.
And kids, I mean, they don'twant to be unpopular, they want
to be the cool kids.
So coaching somebody andtelling them like, look,

(01:32:49):
leadership, captain, all thatstuff it's unpopular but it's
worth it.
Yeah, um, the most rewardingthing I can I did at Finish Line
when I worked there was promotesomebody to get their own store
.
I loved it, loved mentoringyoung people, getting them in
their own store and that type ofthing.

(01:33:10):
And I want to tell a storyabout true leadership, if I can.
So we have a group text here forBe Tempered.
We kind of bounce ideals offeach other and some things, some
memes and that type of thing.
And it was a Sunday morning andI saw this meme about

(01:33:37):
discipline and sent it to thegroup text and, uh, we always
send pictures, we always sendstuff, you know inspirational
stuff and usually you get aheart, you get a thumbs up.
Dan always sends the fire emoji, since that's his favorite one,
um, so I sent this thing aboutdiscipline and, um, I want to
pull it up and I want to pull itup, but instead of getting a

(01:34:03):
heart, instead of getting anemoji.
I was talking aboutself-discipline and somebody in
the group text said and I wantyou to understand, this is true
leadership.
Okay, bush, if you're going totalk about discipline, it's time
to walk the walk.
There's four people in thisgroup text.
Three of them has completed 75hard, some multiple times.

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There's one who hasn't.
Do you know how bad that mademe mad when you sent that?

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Sorry, not sorry.
Well, now, who said it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
but I want you to understand.
You saw something that I neededto do to improve, to be a
better person, to challengemyself, to be disciplined, to
walk the walk that we talk about.
And, man, you pissed me off butand I'm sorry, I know I mean

(01:35:06):
everybody pees yeah but that'swhat true leadership is.
They don't.
They don't care about yourfeelings, they do.
They care about what type ofperson you want to be.
And we talk about leadershipand we talk about discipline and
we talk about all these thingsand I talk about discipline more

(01:35:31):
than anything and you called meout on it and so, yeah, it hurt
my feelings.
Yes, I got my panties in a bunch, so to speak, but I'm on day 37
and I feel better and than Iever have in a long time.
So being a leader is not alwaysbeing popular and it's always
not about being the cool guybecause I can't.

(01:35:51):
I.
I don't know if you did that onpurpose.
I don't know if you were tryingto make me mad.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Yes, but okay I knew you were actually trying well,
no, I knew it would, becausehere's the thing you you had.
You know, we we're on, so it'sit's ben and I and sean and rose
, and we share all these thesethings that we can post and all
this stuff, and and it's good,it's all good conversation, but

(01:36:16):
you know, you kept preachingdiscipline, discipline,
discipline.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I was writing a piece for the, my football team,
about self-discipline and howimportant it was.
Yeah, like, just like.
That's where I, that's where mymindset was at that time.
And then, captain, ruin yourday over here, boy it sounds
like uh.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
I think what he was saying is lead by example.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
I didn't realize that .
I said that to you about youryear of discipleship with.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
I kind of remember it , but I don't know, it was off
the cuff when I was in youroffice, like halfway in your
office.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
I remember talking about it, but I don't remember
saying that.
So maybe you put words in mymouth, but maybe I did.
Here's the thing If I'm closeto you and I feel like I don't
care if I piss you off, Well,you could get away with that
with him.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
You knew that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Yeah, I knew I could.
Well, he couldn't get to me.
I knew he was at a volleyballtournament.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
But the old.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Sean would have been at the front door ready to sock
me in the nose.
The new Sean is different.
He's doing 75 hard.
He's doing 75 hard, you know.
And and Ben's takingaccountability for the year of
discipleship with Jude right, If?
If I feel close to you and Ioffend you, I did it on purpose.
That's the way I look at it.
What are you going to do Not bemy friend?

(01:37:38):
No, on purpose.
That's the way I look at it.
What are you going to do not bemy friend?
No, you're not going to do that.
You may be ticked off at me fora while, but I do that with my
kids but here's the thing it'sexactly what I needed to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
I just got done.
I just got done writing thebook, I just got done.
So I just spent three to fourmonths just immersed in that.
And then then I'm like, what amI going to do?
All my spare time was the lastthree months, was in that, and

(01:38:08):
all of a sudden that's gone,it's out of my hands now.
It's exactly what I needed tohear.

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
I think, when you feel convicted about something,
whether it comes from a friendor whether it comes from god, it
happens for a reason.
It's true, it's true, that'strue.
I mean, you know, and I thinkthat a true friend is not
offended by it.
They're challenged by it, andthen they've got to say, okay,

(01:38:37):
is this something that I, that Igot to do?
It's like I talked about.
Wouldn't you call somebody out?
So I mean to me, I would rathersomeone be honest with me on
all areas of my life, to where,if it convicts me, then I, you
know, then I probably need tomove forward or not.
You know, a conviction, can youknow?
Being convicted could be hey,hey, I better not use that

(01:38:59):
language because the kids arewatching me and I claim to be
this person, something as simpleas that.
Or it could be hey, you're MrDiscipline, you're coaching all
these kids, but you haven't donethe thing that really
disciplined yourself, right.
So I think that, for sure, thething about it is good friends.

(01:39:22):
Going back to the otherquestion, having those friends
that you're fine with doing that, that's invaluable.
That is invaluable because youneed those people to push you,
you need those people to keepyou accountable.
You need those people to helpkeep you on track, and then you
can return that to them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Yeah, that's good.
Hey, we got a question fromAndy Campbell.
What's up, Andy?
One thing I've noticed inseveral of you that coach your
own children is that you do itwell without being biased.
Thank you.
What advice can you give tofuture coaches that would like
to coach their own children andshare the success that you've

(01:40:05):
had with your experiences?
That's a good question.
You want to tackle that one?

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
um.
So number one is accountability.
I feel like I will tell youthat coaching your own kid is
not for everyone.
No, and I say that from thekid's perspective, not just the
parent's perspective.
That's coaching Kids that haveparents that coach, especially

(01:40:37):
when they get older.
I feel like it's very tough onthem first off, like your kids,
have to have thick skin Because,if it's like I struggled with
it as a young kid, my dad usedto coach me, and the one thing
whenever you had success, well,what's the number one thing that
comes out of everybody's mouth?
Well, their dad's, their coachyou know what I mean, and I feel

(01:40:57):
like that's the first thing isthe people that, um, the parents
of the kids that you coach.
You know we're lucky that.
I don't think that we've everexperienced it.
I've coached, you know,football, basketball, baseball.
I've never experienced it withmy kids.
I experienced it.
Growing up, though I said I wasnever going to coach.
Because of that experience, Isaid I'm never going to coach a

(01:41:21):
young kid.
Now, I will never say no thatI'm going to volunteer for a kid
.
I help out with way too manyteams and the only reason I do
it is because I have parents ofthese other kids that come up
and they're just like.
I can tell that my kid loves tocome to practice, he loves you
and the way that you treat himand stuff like that.
That's the reason I coach tomake them better.

(01:41:43):
So the first thing is do it forthe right reason.
If you're coaching, you coachfor every single one of those
kids, not just your kid, andyou've got to hold them
accountable If they're notputting in the work.
You treat them the same exactway.
You don't play in the sameamount or you know the same
thing you do with all the otherkids.
But that's the first thing Ifeel like is accountability.
You're doing it for the rightreasons.
You got to do it because a youlove the game and you want to

(01:42:05):
teach the kids that passion.
B what I well, actually it'd bemy a is the work ethic.
Like you got to make surethey're putting in work, because
I feel like work ethic is thenumber one important thing in
sports, like that's what they'regoing to carry on for life
right and leadership qualities.
I mean, I feel like that's themain way I learned leadership
was through my coaches that Ihad and through sports.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
How about you, Matt?

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
I think you hit it on the head your motivation for
doing it, for coaching ingeneral.
I've coached my daughters allthe way through soccer and I've
been lucky, very fortunate,blessed to be able to continue
to do it, even now that they'replaying club soccer.
And I would say this, and I'msure you guys would echo it,

(01:42:53):
that if you have standards foryour teams, I put those
standards in writing and I wouldhave the parents actually sign
those Parents of the girls thatI coached.
They would crack up because Iwould give them those same rules
, those same standards everyyear and I would not go away

(01:43:16):
from those.
They knew that I was going tohold their kids and my kids
accountable and they knew whatthey were getting.
They knew my motivation behindit was because I wanted to see
their kids succeed.
I wanted to see my kids succeed.
I wanted to see them succeedway past, when they were just
little right.
I wanted to see them do thatall the way through high school

(01:43:38):
and if they want to go on pastthat, I've been lucky to have
good assistant coaches too.
Now I am an assistant I'm notthe head coach, but they would
have to reel me in because I washarder on my own kids than I
was on everybody else.
I actually have had to apologizeto my own children because I

(01:44:04):
may have treated them a littlebit harsher than I would anybody
else, and so I think that thekey is is that you have your
standards.
You have those set standardsand you don't go away from them,
and then you have the correctmotivation as to why you're
doing it.
It's not for you, it's fun towin.
I love to win, man, I love towin, but you don't do it at the

(01:44:29):
expense of another child, youdon't do it at the expense to
make your child stand out.
And I've been very fortunatebecause I've never really had a
problem because I've put thoseout there and I haven't really
veered off.
It's a joke.
They send a thing like hey, youknow, saw that your kid

(01:44:51):
couldn't start because theydidn't get to practice on time,
and then they said, oh, yourdad's a coach and I was the one
driving, or something right.
So my kid?
That's a joke.
But my kids had to run one timebecause my wife had them to
practice late.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
Okay, hey, you got to be consistent.

Speaker 6 (01:45:12):
Yeah, and they, they and they go serious and I mean I
about blew up.
I said, yes, run right now.
And I said you run until I tellyou to stop right.
And then I, you know I have toface the consequences at home.
Yeah, that's the funny part.
But you know, I mean I thinkthat was it.
They knew I was going to treat.
I was going to treat themeveryone the same right and and

(01:45:34):
my motivation was the same foreach kid.
And I mean, if I saw, uh, onegirl make an amazing play, that
wasn't my daughter, I was justas happy as if it were, maybe
even happier sometimes, becauseyou tend to be like you tend to
like give other kids more creditcause you don't want to look
like you're being a favorite.

(01:45:54):
So a lot of times I wouldn'teven you know, one of my
daughters could have had anamazing game and I didn't tell
her I had a good game.
But then I'm telling everybodyelse great job.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
So I think you have to be careful about that too.
But that's how I did it and Ijust tried not to veer away from
that and I put it in writing sothat they knew my rules, they
knew my standards, and then theycould call me on it if I was
not following those.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Yeah, what about you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Sean, what was the question again?
No, I started coaching when myson was one.
I'm still coaching now that myson's not in football.
So you nailed it.
Why are you coaching?
it's not because of my kids, um,it's because of the coaches I
had and the influences that theyuh have on me and have affected

(01:46:46):
me for my whole entire life.
It has nothing to do with mykid.
Now, is it harder coaching yourkid?
Absolutely, oh yeah, but Idon't coach.
I didn't get into footballcoaching because of my son.
Now, I was lucky, my son wasvery talented.
But I think you were right, Iwas way harder on my kid and I

(01:47:09):
coached with some other kids, sowe kind of made a deal I'm not
going to coach my kid.
If you see him doing somethingwrong, you get on him and I got
your kid.

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
That is so true.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
We did the same thing , and I still do it to this day,
because there's times where Iwanted to go off on my own son
for not hustling and doing this,doing that and for a kid that
leaks back into the home.
Man, so I think you've got todraw boundaries when you do

(01:47:42):
coach your own kid.
But for the most part, you guysare exactly right.
Why do you coach?
Um, and I think everybody thatknows me knows why I coach.
Yeah, I talked about it on myfirst podcast.
It has nothing to do with me,um, it has everything to do with
giving back and uh.
So that's why I do it andthat's why I continue to do it,

(01:48:04):
and there is nothing likewinning on a Friday night.
The thing about being a coach isyou have to be hard on the kids
.
You have to.
You have to set an example,like you said, but you better be
the first damn person tocelebrate with them.
You better be because that'swhat it's about.

(01:48:25):
It's about giving the kidconfidence and it's about
uplifting the kid.
After they don't believe intheir self, just like so many
people did in me, they sawsomething in me.
That's what I try to do to thekids and calling them out, being
a leader, being a coach andthen celebrating their wins.
Yeah, that's important I have noclue if that answers the

(01:48:47):
question, andy, but that's mecoaching.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Yeah, you did.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
I know for me.
I've been fortunate.
I think I've coached all mykids.
I don't know if I coached youLeah or Leah Look her in.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
there Is she crying yeah she's crying.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
No, I was fortunate enough to coach, I guess, three
of the five Schmidt kids and nowcurrently coaching Ryan, our
youngest.
I always look at coaching mykids.
I don't even look at them as mykids when I coach them.
To be honest with you, I'mtrying to build a team.

(01:49:27):
I think back when I wascoaching my older son, nate,
who's a freshman, and that thatgroup of boys that we had.
I man, it is the most rewardingthing when you take a kid who is
not very good and you you workthem through practices and games
and you push them and youencourage them and you push them

(01:49:50):
beyond limits that they didn'teven know that they could go
through, and then you watch themhave success.
I mean, nothing feels betterthan that, in my opinion, to
take a young kid and show themthat they can do it, and so that
that's why I do it.
I don't, you know, I don'tcoach because my son is Ryan, or

(01:50:14):
my son was Nate, or mydaughter's Allie or Leah or any
of that stuff.
I don't, I don't see it.
I in fact, like you guys said,I'm harder on my kids than I am
the other kids.
It's just for me, it's just thejoy of building a team and
watching them grow, watchingthem fail, watching them
struggle.
We put basketball, we put ourboy, we call it the gauntlet.

(01:50:34):
We put him through.
It's pretty grueling, it'sprobably harder than our high
school team goes through, butthey love it, they eat it up and
man, it just gets me so firedup to watch them just keep
pushing and pushing and pushingand do 100 push-ups out of
practice.

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
That's what I was about to say.
We won a championship and Ithink my most proudest moment
was we were there supposed to dowhat?
90 or 95 push-ups, yeah, andthey're like well, let's just do
five more, let's get to 100.
Let's do 100.
And you're talking about9-year-olds 10, you know.
We said five.
What was it?
Five pushups for everyone.
You missed.
Yeah, for every layup, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
And then we had to do 95.
Yeah, and they went ahead anddid a hundred yeah, but when we
started they were all whining.

Speaker 6 (01:51:13):
When we told you guys need to do layup drills.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Well we did Growth Size and they're like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
So I, I was 90 of them.
Just kidding, I love you, no.
But when we first said you'redoing 95 of them, they looked at
us like there's no way that Ican do 95 pushups.
And I bet we didn't.
I mean, we gave them a littlebit of break, but I what in a
minute?
Two minutes probably, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
I mean they did it pretty.
And I mean, oh man, and it wasso awesome.
Because you know, of course wepump them up and say, hey,
tomorrow you get to go to schooland tell everybody you did 100
pushups of practice last night,you know.
And so then they get all firedup and that's what it's all
about.
So I think if you're going totry to coach your kid, make sure
you go in with the rightintentions.

(01:51:58):
You know, go in with theintentions.
If it's a team sport, thatyou're coaching a team, you're
coaching a team.
You're not coaching your son oryour daughter.
So, all right, here's what wegot.
We got seven minutes left.
So I any final closing thoughtsthat you guys might have, any,
any, any quote, anything youwant to you want to discuss
before we wrap this thing up.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
You're looking at me, I'm looking at you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Did you notice the shirt I wore tonight?
I did.

Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
Yeah, keep moving forward.
Yeah, so Tillball Holla project, of course, came up with that
tagline, but you can't read it.
But on the back of my shirt itlists all of these things that
are acceptable.
And we all go throughchallenges, we all have
hardships, sometimes it's eventrauma.
But the very last one you knowwhat it says Quitting is not

(01:52:46):
acceptable.
So to me, what a great lessonthat is that, regardless of how
hard life gets, how distant youmight feel from God, how
challenging that is, keep movingforward.
It's all worth it.
Never quit.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
That's great, matt, you got anything.

Speaker 6 (01:53:09):
Yeah, I think that you know, don't't be afraid,
don't be afraid to step out.
Um, you know, I think a lot oftimes, especially talking to
some of the younger, youngerpeople, they're scared to step
out because they're scared ofwhat people think.
And I think, um, don't worryabout what other people think
and, at the same time, worryabout what other people think.
And what that means is don'tworry about if you're different

(01:53:31):
and you're stepping out anddoing the things you're supposed
to do.
Don't worry about what theythink, but if you're not doing
what you're supposed to do, youbetter worry about what people
think, because when you talkedabout the cemetery, I want
someone to be able to walk by myheadstone and say that guy left
a legacy, this is how he was,not because of me, but that I

(01:53:53):
passed it down to my family.
So, don't be scared to step outthere and don't care what
people think, but care whatpeople think.
Keep God first.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
That's pretty good too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
So yeah, sean uh, the long and hard road is the
shortcut.
Everybody tries to do thingsthe the easy way.
The right way is always thehard way, and I just think we

(01:54:29):
forget that, the world we livein, the instant gratification,
it's not going to come overnight.
So, doing the hard thing Ithink you talked about it, right
?
I don't know exactly what yousaid, but the successful people
do the hard things first.
Quit trying to do the easythings.

(01:54:50):
Try to do the hard things andyou'll grow.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Yeah, that's, very true.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
Ben, last question, I'm just kidding, just kidding,
it's getting late.
Yeah, yeah, getting late, it'spast Dan's bedtime.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
It's getting close, it's Dan's bedtime.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
No, I'm just really, really thankful for you guys and
you guys doing this episode.
Dan and I we were trying tofigure out something for episode
52, and I think the ironsharpens iron the whole reason
that we do this thing.
Like, I think both of us viewyou guys as just great men of
faith, great men to look up to,lucky to call you guys friends.

(01:55:31):
I'm just really thankful foryou guys doing this.
My closing thought is just theword grace, what it actually
means.
I was watching a podcast,youtube, with Joby Martin and he
wrote a book called the GraceTrain by getting hit by the
grace train and it talks aboutjust basically the word grace.

(01:55:53):
Like that's the whole meaningof, like Christianity, like the
whole thing, like no matterwhere you're at, what you've
done, like the word grace, likeJesus had grace to save us, like
that is basically the gospel,is him dying on the cross, like
that was grace for all of us andall of our sins.
And I don't know when, whenthey explained that word grace,
it just it hit me.

(01:56:14):
I mean, it hit me pretty hard.
Just no matter what you did,how much you've done, grace is
always going to be enough andnobody's ever too far gone for
that that's good, man, I'll tellyou.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
Um, I've got a speech coming up here at a local
school that I think about everysingle day, about what I'm going
to talk about and what I'mgoing to say and what kind of
impact I'm going a river, um,water flowing.

(01:56:52):
Right, it doesn't flowbackwards.
Right, it continues to flowforward.
If something is in its way,it's going around it, it's going
over it, it's going to figureout a way to get through it.
It it's not going to stop.
It's not going to stop and lookback, and I think that's a

(01:57:17):
great metaphor for our life.
Right, if you get to a point inyour life where there's a
tragedy that happens, or you'vehad a bad day at work, or you
lose your job, or somebody ticksyou off and calls you out to do
75 hard because you're MrDiscipline and calls you out to
do 75 hard because you're MrDiscipline, right, that water is
not going to stop flowing.
Right, you can't stop flowing.
So anybody out there who's in atough time right now, who's
facing a challenge again, justkeep going, keep moving forward

(01:57:43):
like that water flows down thestream, and don't be afraid to
take the time to stop and lookup, to look around you to enjoy
the beauty, to enjoy the peoplein your life who have given you
so much, who have given you agood advice, who have been there
for you in tough times um, youknow, and and be thankful for
the things that you do have,because I promise you someone

(01:58:04):
else out there has it much worsethan you do.
So I appreciate you guys.
I really appreciate your timeon.
A is today, monday.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
Yeah, yeah, I'd be saying yeah on a Monday night.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
I know Mondays are kind of chaotic for everybody
and coming off of the weekend,but you guys are very important
to me and I appreciate yousharing your stories on the
podcast before, appreciate youcoming over here tonight and,
and um, just continue to, tospew out all this knowledge and
to uh, offer hope to those whoneed to hear it.

(01:58:40):
Because, uh, we all know peoplewe talk to people at our jobs,
at our businesses all the timewho are facing adversities and
they're looking for that littletidbit of inspiration and
hopefully maybe they found ithere tonight.
So, if people want to get ahold of you guys, can you give
us a quick way to get a hold ofthem?

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
Sure, I'm on Facebook or you can look me up, Brian at
WCI Richmond.

Speaker 6 (01:59:07):
Okay, matt, I'm not very good at social media, but I
do have a Facebook andInstagram.
Preble County Chiropractic.
Obviously, you can get a holdof me at the office anytime in
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
You need a little snap crackle pop.
Match your man.

Speaker 6 (01:59:21):
Not necessarily that, but if you do need that, you
know where we're at.

Speaker 4 (01:59:24):
My son calls in a popcorn doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
There you go, if you do need that you know where
we're at popcorn?

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
there you go, sean.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
I just have facebook, sean, rubbish you also have
talk real quick, your book, oh,yeah, uh, coming along.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
I want to talk about humbled.
So I wrote a book, was veryproud of it, sent it to a ghost
writer and she Sean, we got alot of work.
That's good, so it's a work inprogress.
Um, I, what's it called, uh,turning pain into purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
Okay, turning pain into purpose, it'll be out,
we'll.
We'll let everybody know whenit comes out.
And, uh, proud of you for doingthat, cause I know that was a
big, that was challenge very,very difficult yeah reading it
back.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
Yeah, after you write , it is what's challenging.

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
Yeah, yeah, ben, we know how to get a hold of you
and me.
We're on betemperedcom, we'reon all the socials.
Look us up.
Please continue to share,please continue to do all those
things to help get this messageout there and everybody.
Go out and be tempered.

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