September 25, 2025 • 43 mins
Raw vulnerability fills this deeply moving episode of BeTempered, where co-host Ben Spahr courageously opens up about processing a personal tragedy that has shaken his faith community to its core. When someone you’ve shared life with commits an unthinkable crime, how do you reconcile the good memories with their devastating actions? Where was God in the middle of all this heartbreak?
Ben allows listeners into the raw and uncomfortable reality of his journey—sharing the guilt, anger, confusion, and the difficult path toward forgiveness. His honesty reminds us that walking through grief and faith struggles isn’t a neat, quick process but a painful road that requires courage to face openly.
Together, hosts Dan Schmidt and Ben Spahr widen the lens to explore not just personal tragedy, but the broader struggles we all face in today’s world. They reflect on the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the troubling rise of political violence in America. Their discussion calls out how social media often fuels division, amplifies hate, and dehumanizes those who see the world differently. Both hosts emphasize the responsibility we all share when speaking about others—especially when our words could weigh heavily on someone already battling mental health challenges.
Scripture anchors the conversation. Passages from Ephesians, Colossians, and the powerful account of the woman caught in adultery remind us that forgiveness is not just a biblical teaching—it is a life-altering, liberating force. Ben acknowledges that he is not fully at the point of forgiveness yet, and in doing so, he shows that Christian growth is rarely instantaneous. Instead, it’s a journey of wrestling, questioning, and slowly allowing God’s love to change us over time.
As the hosts remind us, our response to tragedy defines us. In moments of brokenness, we can choose love instead of bitterness. We can reach out to the vulnerable instead of withdrawing. We can take steps toward forgiveness, even when it feels impossible. Ben’s heartfelt words capture the spirit of this episode: “The most powerful language is love.”
This is not an episode that offers simple answers. Instead, it offers space for honest wrestling, biblical wisdom, and compassionate guidance for anyone trying to keep their faith alive in the face of heartbreaking circumstances.
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Welcome to the Be Temperedpodcast, episode number 72, Dan.
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Thank you, Ben, You're welcome sir.
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Is that what we decided?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I believe so.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, so this Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, ben said October 4th, right, let's go,
all right.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
All right, what episode 72, sir?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
This one's on you, buddy.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's nerve-wracking.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, you're good.
There's a lot of things goingon in this world right now that
have been challenging bothpersonally and for our nation as
a whole, and you've felt it tugon your heartstrings and I'm
going to let you take over fromhere and then we'll see where
this goes.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's a scary thing, no.
So, first off, I brought notesso that way I don't miss
anything, because, like Dan said, this has really been on my
heart.
We were going to do it a coupleweeks ago, or I guess it would
have been last week and maybe itwas earlier this week, but
anyway, just really wanted toprocess it through.
So, um, and it's still an openprocess that I'm trying to
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process through, about thisworld that we live in and how,
you know, we're raising a totalof eight kids here in the studio
, right, five for you, three forme.
You're winning in that regards,congratulations.
Yeah, but it's a scary worldthat we live in.
It is and every day it growsscarier and scarier and you know
just how to process the wholething, and one thing that I try
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to do is try to look toscripture to try to guide my way
through, and I feel like everytime I read the Bible, something
different will pop up and Ifeel like once you get baptized
and that Holy Spirit's in you,that God speaks through the
scripture to me.
So I'm not saying I have allthe answers at all, but this is
just what's been on my heart andkind of what I've been
processing through this pastweek.
So I wanted to start today withsomething that's been heavy on
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my heart.
Just a couple of days ago I sawthe news about Charlie Kirk
situation.
It made me think about where weare as a society when it comes
to the truth, when it comes tothe gospel.
We live in a country wherewe're constantly saying how
blessed we are to have freedom,and that's true but while we
take that blessing for granted,there are Christians in China,
syria and across the world whoare killed daily for preaching
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the gospel, for reading theBible and for living out their
faith.
It really hit me hard lastFriday when I saw a story that
hit closer to home.
A friend I once went to churchwith did life group with someone
whose wife I've known my wholeentire life committed an
unimaginable crime.
My first reaction was instantanger.
Anger at him for not being aleader of his family, anger for
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the victim and their loved ones.
But right behind that cameguilt.
Guilt that I had grown apartfrom him, that I hadn't checked
in, and that there's thatquestion will haunt me, and it's
haunting me with this Like if Ihad, could things have been
different?
So where do I go from here?
Where do we go from here asfollowers of Jesus?
(05:19):
That's what I want to dig intotoday.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So, um, well, here's what I can tell you.
You know we've had hadconversations over the past
couple of weeks about thatsituation that really hit close
to home and we're not going toget into the details of it, just
just know that, uh, it it's.
It's an unimaginable thing thatthat occurred.
And you know you, you you toldme about it before I'd heard
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from anyone else and I couldjust feel the pain.
I could see it in your eyes, Icould feel it in your emotion
and how you spoke, because thiswas someone you were close to
and you relate because they havechildren, they have young
children.
(06:05):
You relate to the wife in thissituation and you know, I think
a lot of cases, you know, youand I, we put ourselves in other
people's shoes.
Maybe that's not a good thing, Idon't know, but I felt like
that's what you were doing, likeputting yourself in that
situation, like why would thishappen?
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Why would he do this to hisfamily, to his children?
And you know, the only answer Ican come up with is that the
devil is right there.
Temptation, doubt, all thosethings that the devil feeds upon
, is right there.
(06:46):
Is there anything you couldhave done?
I don't think so, ben.
Yeah, you know and I know thatthat's a heavy burden that you
carry, because you're a good man, like you care, you want to do
what's right, you want to be agood Christian, you want to help
others.
I mean, it's evident, it's whyyou're sitting right here, it's
why you are a part of our teamat the business, because of your
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heart and your how much youcare for others.
So I feel it and I know thismorning you made a Patreon post.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
What time did you wake up?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Well, well, woke up at one 48, one 48, um, you know,
and I went to bed at 10, so Ididn't get too much sleep and
it's just.
It's happened a lot latelywhere you just kind of, all of a
sudden, it's just I pop up andit just can't go back to sleep,
you know, and uh yeah, so thatweighed heavy on my heart and I
just felt like god just kind ofwas not the audible voice, but
(07:41):
just feeling him, and just youknow, sometimes it's not an
audible voice, it's just the him, and just you know, sometimes
it's not an audible voice, it'sjust the Holy spirit stirring in
you.
And whenever that happens to me, I just kind of turn to the
Bible or what question I have,and I'll, sometimes I'll just go
to the internet and Google.
You know what I'm feeling, whatI'm dealing with.
Or you know the Bible app.
You can go in, you can put whatyou're dealing with, what
you're feeling, and I, you know,just healing.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I just went to his word to try to figure some
stuff out.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So that's where this came from.
So where do you go from here?
So the first thing that I foundin the scriptures it says what
followers of Jesus are called todo.
Right, because me as aChristian, well, me as just a
human, right, I talk about anger.
When I have anger, and the waythat anger that I felt towards a
crime that happened, I'vealways been like I wish I the
way that anger that I felttowards a crime that happened,
I've always been like I wish Icould find that guy in an alley
whenever that happens.
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And I still feel that way.
And it's just, if I could findthat guy in an alley, I would
love to just you know what Imean, give him exactly what he
deserves.
And um, and I felt, you know, Ifeel guilty for feeling that
way and I still feel that way.
And that's what you got to lookat inside your heart and you
know Jesus calls us to be likehim.
(08:50):
And so scriptures that I foundwas forgive as Christ forgave.
Ephesians 4.32,.
Be kind to one another,tenderhearted, forgiving one
another as God and Christforgave you.
Colossians 3.13,.
Bear with one another and, ifone complaint against another,
forgive each other as the Lordforgave you, so you must also
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forgive, and it's just thosewords keep popping.
You know, scripture pops upabout forgiving and then, you
know, restoring Brothers.
If anyone's caught intransgression you are spiritual
you should restore him in spiritof gentleness and keep watch on
yourself as, like you said,lest of you be tempted, bear one
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another's burdens and sofulfill the law of Christ.
So constantly we see that theBible tells us like you're going
to be tempted and that's kindof where, as a brother, that's
where I felt guilt at when Itold you I a as a brother, like
if I, that's where I felt guiltat, when I told you I felt guilt
as a brother, right, I want tobe that guy that if I've ever
had a relationship with you andyou're going through something,
(09:54):
I want to be that first call,not because like, yeah, ben can
fix it, but a, I'll listen and B, I'll try to pour life into you
.
You know, and I feel likethat's my guilt, that I was kind
of feeling, if that makes senseto you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, no, it makes complete sense.
Again.
It's because you're a good manand you're strong in your faith.
And there's no doubt you'retempted, right?
We all are.
We're tempted every day.
We face doubt, we faceuncertainty.
Those are all parts of thedevil.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Right, uncertainty, those are all parts of the devil
, right, right and and.
But what we've got to keepdoing is digging into our faith.
I mean, what else happened thisweek?
Right, yeah, and there's a lotof stuff that happened this week
, sadly.
I mean, in Greenville, you hada young person take their life
and that's where the reachingout part, you know, that's,
that's where that comes intoplay.
Um, the foundation that we'relaying for our kids.
We're constantly around ourkids and we constantly complain
and we talk about what's all badin the world.
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Are we giving our kids hope?
And the kids that I mean it'swhy I try to be in every single
thing I can volunteer is try tobe hope in a kid's life, right,
kids' life that maybe they don'thave hope in their life
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currently, and I feel likethat's a missing thing that
Christians do is we constantlycomplain.
We don't give these kids hope.
We live in a culture where it'seasier to be negative, and just
something we got to work on, Ifeel like, as a culture.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, that, and it's the me culture, right.
It's, it's you know, we all havethat selfish nature in us and
you know, when I was 15 yearsold, I didn't have social media.
I don't know what that's likeas a kid, I don't know what
those.
You know how it influencesthese kids in a positive way or
a negative way.
You know, I know, with whatjust happened here a couple of
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days ago with with Charlie Kirk,um, I'm saddened.
I'm saddened for the state ofour country.
It breaks my heart, whether you, whether you are a Republican
or a Democrat or a conservativeor a liberal, whether you are a
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Christian or you do not believe.
I just my heart breaks for acouple things.
My heart breaks for his family.
As a father, you know, I can'timagine the pain that his wife
feels, that his kids feel, thathis parents, that those closest
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to him feel.
And my heart breaks for thosepeople who make those comments
that I've read online about justsome vile hatred towards a
human being because of what hebelieved, because he was
(12:54):
outspoken.
I mean, I didn't know a wholelot about him.
I'd seen clips of him here andthere and the only thing that I
thought of him once I saw himwas this dude is super
intelligent, super intelligentand he's not afraid to talk
about Christianity and his faith.
He was very bold in that andbeyond that.
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I don't have an opinion onanything else other than I'm
just sad.
I'm sad that there are peopleout there that feel that much
hatred or have that much hatredin their heart.
I can only imagine what theyhad to deal with in their life
to get to that point.
Yeah, I'm trying to live mylife to be grateful for
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everything I have and I know Iam blessed beyond measure and
I'm super grateful for it.
We just had Sean Rebush in herelast week.
Father was murdered, loses hisgrandfather at 11 years old,
within six months apart.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Had to watch it in a fire.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Watch them die.
He's grateful for his life.
He's grateful for having to gothrough that pain as a young kid
.
I just, you know, I don't.
We talk about it all the time.
I don't know where this podcastgoes.
I don't know what happens and,quite frankly, it doesn't.
That doesn't matter, becauseit's not my podcast, it's not
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your.
You know we're doing this tospread hope and to joy and to
faith and to maybe be thatperson you know somebody's story
that they may hear that changesthat one life.
Yeah, so it's just heartbreakingto me that there are people out
there full of that much vileand hatred and you could flip it
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.
We talked about it, you know, Italked about it with my wife.
I was like you know what's?
What's crazy is you see allthese comments from people,
these negative comments, and I'mnot even going to bring light
to what they say.
I mean you can imagine how vilethese comments are and you flip
it and let's say heaven forbid,when Obama was president, he
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would have been.
He got assassinated.
It would have been the exactsame thing on the extreme
conservative, republican side.
People would have done the samething.
I look at it as though most ofthe people I hope in this world.
Picture a football field 50yards wide right, most of the
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people.
You might be on the right sideof that hash mark, but you're
still inside the.
You're in bounds, right, theother half on the left side, but
they're still in bounds.
And then you've got your, yourfive or your 10% that are
outside the extreme right side,out of bounds and the extreme
left side out of bounds.
How do we get those people toget from being out of bounds to
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getting back in bounds, to wherewe can at least have some
conversations that people don'tgo off the deep end and go to
the extreme of taking anotherhuman being's life because of
what they say?
I mean, what happened to Jesus?
He was crucified for what hesaid, right, crucified for what
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he said.
I mean, think about that.
I don't know.
I don't know where this goes.
I don't know what comes from it.
Something good will come fromit, but my heart just aches,
yeah it does.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And then you think about those comments.
And you said a minute ago thatwe put ourselves in other
people's shoes, and so you reada comment like that and it's I'm
like okay, I just hate a personthat I that I hate.
Honestly, it's hard for me toeven think of somebody that I
hate.
Like can you imagine if theydied and you would celebrate?
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Like would you celebrateanybody?
You know what I mean.
Like it's one situation whereit's like I can't put myself in,
like not even in the samehemisphere of that thought.
You know what I mean.
Like it's out of this worldthat somebody would have those
thoughts.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It is.
Yeah, it's heartbreaking, yeah,it's heartbreaking all the way
around the whole, the wholestate of of everything like that
.
Just, I don't know, I it's just.
It's not even a part of anythought or feeling that I have
to ever feel hatred like that orsomeone.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
So the next one that I had was show mercy, and I have
two scriptures for that one andthe first one's, james two, 13,
for judgment is without mercyto one who has shown no mercy,
mercy, mercy triumphs overjudgment.
And then Matthew five, sevenblessed are the merciful for
they shall receive mercy.
I mean, it's pretty clear rightthere.
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Jesus calls us to be merciful.
And then I got.
Love covers sin.
1 Peter, 4, 8, above all, keeploving one another earnestly,
since love converts a multitudeof sins.
Proverbs 10, 12, hatred stirsup strife, but love covers all
the differences or all theoffenses.
You know, you just talked aboutwhat.
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What do we need?
We need Proverbs 10.
Hatred stirs up strife, butlove covers all offenses.
It's flat out, right there.
Yeah.
Like, what's wrong with thisworld?
All the hatred, yeah, and allthe people in the world that
want to stir up the hatred.
And you know there's peoplethat do stuff and post stuff
just for clicks.
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Well, you know, we had aconversation with kevin about
mentally.
There's some people out therethat are just at the so extreme
mentally and not mentallyhealthy to where they they see
that clickbait, they see thatand they're like, yeah, this guy
is like a Nazi, we'd better offwithout him.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And then that's what happens, right, so talk about
that, kevin, because you broughtup a point.
We were in here talking beforewe hit record that, uh, you know
, I I don't know, but you butyou have, uh, you have
experience in in some of thesemental issues that people deal
with.
So talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Well, no matter what side and that's the problem is,
everyone's choosing sides andwe'll always be a divided
country.
Because of that, buttons can bepushed.
And when people are notmentally well, mentally unstable
, they're ill.
You know and I'm not talkingbad about them because I've been
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there Right, you have, you havethe fight or flight mechanisms
in your brain and then you also,when you are at your absolute
rock bottom, you're eitherhomicidal or suicidal or both.
So I definitely feel like,unfortunately, elected officials
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, activists, anytime you step ona stage, you know buttons could
be pushed.
Buttons are going to be pushed.
I mean, there's a reason you'reon the stage because you have
some very interestinginformation, some factual
information or opinionatedinformation.
Either way, you have stuff thatpeople are interested in
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hearing, and obviously Charliewas one of those people.
So it pushes buttons and youknow, usually that's fun until
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we take lives over spot, wherethey can't agree to disagree
because opinions they haveformed, whether it's through
media, and we know how mediaworks.
You know we can't trustanything that we see in media
and a lot of it is AI-generated,interrated, so, um, people get
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real angry and they can't agreeto disagree with each other, and
and that's why we're going tostay divided as a country.
I think we're always going tobe at war and I think incidents
like this that happened uh, isjust going to keep divvying us
up.
You know, uh, it's unfortunate,very unfortunate, but yeah
that's good points.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
What else you got, Ben?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
So, and then the next one I got is comfort and
reaffirm.
So 2 Corinthians, 2, 7, 8.
So you should rather turn toforgive and confront him, or he
may be overwhelmed by excessivesorrow.
So I beg you to reaffirm yourlove for him.
Just comfort and reaffirm.
We all go through struggle, weall go through strife, but you
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got to be there for one anotherwhen we go in deep sorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
So let me ask you this going back to that family,
you know, and what happened, Doyou forgive him?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So that is deep and that is where I'm at and I know
in my heart that this is whatprobably needs to happen.
Right, and that's why I pull upthese verses.
However, no like, personally,and I'm not in a spot where I am
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emotionally Um, obviously I'vereached out to the family like
you know what I mean but no,like, I'm not in a spot where,
first off, I don't know if I'min need of forgiveness for him
to like, for me to forgive him,cause he did nothing to me.
My main concern, and the wholereason why I'm looking at this,
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is because that was somebodythat I, that's somebody that I
share my life with, that'ssomebody that my kids grew up
with, that's somebody when hewas away at war, we were there
with his family and seeing thepain and everything.
So I'm not one that needs to uhforgive.
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I don't feel like, uh, my angeris more for the the kids and
the wife, who are just amazingpeople, and the pain that they
feel, uh, so I don't think thatI'm I'm one that needs to
forgive.
My main thing is is there suchthing as too lost?
Um, and if there's not, whichthe scripture tells me there's
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not.
You know what I mean.
No matter what your sin is,jesus died on the cross for us.
And today I heard just I wasscrolling trying to find just
different verses and thedifferent preaching of verses,
because I know what they mean tome, but just to hear other
people talk about it, and one ofthem was the forgiveness of
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Christ, and they drew out thisbeautiful picture for me.
And it was, you know, the king.
The king gets like 10 bars ofgold stolen from him, right, and
he's like whoever stole thatgold, it's, it's lashes.
Well, then, all of a sudden, itstill didn't get turned in.
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Well, it's going to be morelashes.
Then it didn't get turned inand then it's like, okay,
there's going to be 40 lashes.
Well, 40 lashes is basicallythe death penalty in this
sentence.
And all of a sudden it comesforward that it's the king's
daughter, and the king'sdaughter is the one and he
stands there and he's looking athis daughter and he has to be
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just.
So, yes, he needs to deal withthe punishment.
And then, as soon as the lasheswere about ready to start and
they were about ready to hit him, the king runs out, takes his
shirt off and covers hisdaughter and then he's like all
right, I'm ready for it.
And they're the guards like,well, I can't give you the
lashes now, like, if I gave youthe lashes, you're the one
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that's going to die.
And he's like I know, hit herLike she deserves it.
You hit her.
And so the whole point of thatis that's what Jesus did for us.
You know what I mean.
Like there's so many sins inthis world that we none of us
live up to.
I don't live up to, um, andthey're all equal and God died
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and came down here and died onthe cross for all of us.
What my prayer is and what Ihope is that my heart that's
hardened right now and that ishurt, um, I just I'm going to
pray over these scriptures andjust, hopefully, god, you know,
help my faith.
That obviously isn't strongenough to deal with this.
Um, if this is something thatyou want me to do, you want me
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to reach out, uh, give me thatfaith, give me that strength,
because right now I'm not at aspot and I think that's okay.
You know what I mean.
I feel like, as long as I'mopen to my prayer life with
Jesus, I don't feel likeanything's not possible, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, it does completely, man, and I see the
emotion in your eyes.
I know you've been.
I know this week's been toughfor you since, you know, since
last Friday when we or, yeah, itwas last Friday when we found
everything out and, um, you know, I just know you're battling
and it's good because you're agood man, because you care,
because, um, you know when, whenyou think you know someone and
(26:09):
you you've had a relationshipwith them as a, as a friend, and
you've been through differentthings with them and supported
their family, and it's like agut punch right.
And you, just you know there'sthings that happen in this world
that you just aren't preparedfor.
But that's where faith comesinto play and you're you're
(26:33):
doing the right thing, you'releaning on God, and you're just
saying, hey, I don't know whatto do, right, I don't know what
to think.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Just, I'm not ready for it and you know I know what
needs to happen.
Well, I think I know what needsto happen, but I'm going to
pray on it Like I'm not.
It's not going to be a gutreaction.
I think this is what God wantsme to do.
I'm just going to do it and notfeel completely convicted, like
this is scripture, is theliving word in my life, like
that's what I want to live mylife.
(27:01):
Like I want to live my lifelike Jesus, like that's my goal
and when I, when I was baptized,like that's the, it's the whole
point of being baptized outward, like confirmation that you
want to live your life likeJesus.
So part of my emotions, which Iam like I, it has me really
messed up.
It had me really messed up allweek and I'll be messed up for a
(27:22):
while and I think that's thehonestly, I think it's the Holy
spirit in me and I I know yousay like shouldn't feel guilt.
I probably shouldn't feel guilt, but I just think it's the Holy
spirit just broken, like andmaybe I can't do something and
maybe I couldn't have donesomething, but it's almost like,
hey, who's that guy that weneed to reach out to.
(27:43):
Who's the who's the personyou're supposed to reach out to?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So it's powerful.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Oh yeah so, but I'm an emotional person.
This is normal.
I'm just kidding, it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I'm just kidding, it's not.
I'm not sure I've seen.
No, no, no, but it's okay.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
But I'll never apologize for, uh, what the Holy
spirit draws up in me.
So, just glory to God, nomatter what.
So, um, but on a personal level, which will, um, forgiveness.
So we talk about forgiveness.
Uh, growing up, there werethings in my childhood that did
leave some deep wounds.
Uh, for years I held a grudgeagainst my mom for things that
(28:23):
happened.
Back then the bitternessweighed on me and it weighed on
her.
But when I finally choseforgive her, uh, when I let go
of the resentment and extendedgrace, something powerful
happened.
She found peace and I foundpeace.
See, forgiveness didn't really,uh, erase the past, but it
redeemed the relationship andthrough that, I felt forgiveness
(28:44):
in Jesus of my own sins.
In a deeper way, his peace feltthe same place, that where
bitterness once lived.
That's the power of forgiveness.
It doesn't just set the otherperson free, it sets you free
too.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That's awesome, man it is.
You know, forgiveness is is oneof those things, and we've
talked about it before.
That's very difficult to do.
But when you realize that theperson who's carrying that
burden and that weight is you,and when you finally let go and
(29:22):
you forgive, right, that's whenthat weight's lifted off your
chest.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, it's for sure.
I mean, I've felt it before andI know it.
And, like I said, forgivenessis a powerful thing.
It's not just the person theyforgive, it's also for the ones
that, uh, that are given theforgiveness.
You know, resentment isn't whatGod wants for you and uh, yeah,
you know what's your mom's oneof your biggest fans one of our
(29:51):
biggest fans she loves thepodcast she uh yeah yeah, a huge
supporter and um I I'm surethat this will mean a lot to her
.
Yeah, and I mean you hear aboutdivorce a lot on the show and
how it wrecks you know most ofthe time it wrecks kids or
that's what everybody says, butit's not just a fact Like
(30:12):
there's pain in divorce at anytime and a home can be broken
when a home's not broken.
Um, and a home can be brokenwhen a home's not broken.
So even though your parentsaren't divorced, you can still
feel the weight of a brokenrelationship and a broken family
.
And uh, yeah, I love my mom todeath, you know it.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, man, that's great.
I mean this is, this is apowerful one man.
You know you're, um, you'resharing a lot of, a lot of
things here, a lot ofdifficulties that you're in the
middle of that, that we're allin.
I mean, a lot of people arefacing a lot of these same
challenges and trying tonavigate how to, how to handle.
You know, like the Charlie Kirksituation and having the
(30:54):
conversation with your kids, andyou know all the I mean that
murder is visible on socialmedia.
You know, my 18 year olddaughter is the one that told me
about it and said she saw it.
Those are tough conversationsto have, those are tough things
for anyone to see, but they'reimportant to have and to discuss
(31:17):
those things and be open and tosay, okay, what, how'd this
make you feel?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Right, and it's also a time to reflect on um social
media or kids, right.
I mean, I wasn't looking for it, I was looking for information
and then I went watching.
you know I've watched Charlie'sspeeches before because you know
, not to get too political, butyou know, I'm a religious man
(31:42):
and abortion is a big one for me.
Like that's a, that's a bigthing for me.
And here and on a collegecampus, somebody stick up for
the most vulnerable, the babiesthat can't talk.
And you know, here I'll sit inthere watching some of those
where he's just having thatconversation.
It's just an open conversationand when it got to the end and
(32:02):
they agreed to disagree and theyboth had their chance to voice
their opinions, it was all right.
Have a great day.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It wasn't no F you or anythinglike that it was just have a
good day.
And yeah, it's just it's.
(32:22):
I'm sitting there scrollingthrough those and watching some
of the ones where he just talksabout sharing his faith openly,
about Jesus and about that's theway that he wants to live, and
there's a real good one.
If you haven't watched Charlie,I'd tell you to go watch one.
It's of him talking to men ofour generation and it's one of
the most powerful ones I saw.
And it just says if you're akid or you're a, you know a
young adult and you're lookingfor a, or you're single and
(32:43):
you're looking for a wife, youknow, and you're scrolling
through the internet, you'redoing it wrong.
And when you know, playing videogames, stuff like that, he said
you want to meet a great womanand you want to impress her, you
go to her and you say, like mygoal is to find a wife that I
can lead, that I'm going toleave religiously, that's going
to love the Lord, that's goingto love me, and biblically.
(33:05):
And it's not word for word,exactly how I said, but that was
the whole.
I mean it's about like a twominute clip, but it's one of the
most greatest clips, like twominute clips that I could see to
where one day, like when mykids get older, it's like, hey,
look like this is what you needto do if you want to find the
right woman, you know.
And I think the question forhim was what would you look for
(33:25):
for a wife?
And it was somebody that wouldwant this for him, because this
is what I want for me, and itwas just beautiful.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I hope you know all of our dedicated listeners out
there.
With this episode, you knowwe're not trying to stir up any
negative emotions or feelings.
I think what we're trying to dohere is just have an open
conversation to show you what,two Christian men, how we feel,
(33:57):
how these things areheartbreaking and how we're just
not reacting on raw emotion.
We're trying to process thesethings.
We're trying to haveconversations, we're trying to
discern, we're trying to pray,we're trying to listen to the
Holy Spirit and so, whether youare a follower of Jesus Christ
(34:19):
or whether you are an atheist IChrist or whether you are an
atheist, I hope that if youlisten to this, that you
recognize we truly care.
We truly care about each other,about our families, about our
wives.
We care about our community.
We care about anyone andeveryone out there, whether you
(34:41):
agree or you disagree with,whatever our beliefs are.
Let's just get better at havingopen conversations, not getting
so upset and vile about things,and don't just instantly post
comments on social media andjust let it fly.
Think about what you're saying.
(35:02):
Think about how those wordshave actions and consequences to
others and especially to youngpeople out there listening Like
what you say, how you say it canaffect somebody in a way that
you have no clue how it's goingto affect them.
Give it some thought, talk tothose who you trust in and
(35:28):
listen, just listen, yeah, right, yep.
That's what I hope people gainfrom from hearing you and your
passion, your emotion, it's,it's powerful man and it's and
it's needed to be discussed,because we all face battles, we
all face uncertainties.
We don't know how to handlethis situation.
That just happened, right,right, it's tough, yeah, life's
(35:52):
tough, yep, but we got to keepmoving forward.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah.
So the next thing I got wasJesus calls us to be like him.
John 2, 6,.
Whoever says he abides in himought to walk in the same way in
which he walked.
Then you got Philippians 2.5,.
Have this mind among yourselveswhich is yours in Christ Jesus.
John 13.15, for I have givenyou an example that you also
(36:17):
should do, just as I have doneto you.
The Christian life isn't justabout believing in Jesus, it's
about becoming more like him.
He forgave so we forgive.
He showed mercy so we showmercy.
He restores so we restore.
And then I got John 8, which iskind of the anchor of the whole
(36:37):
thing.
You know, the woman was caughtin adultery and she was ready to
be stoned right, everybody'swaiting for her to be stoned.
And Jesus comes and said lethim who is without sin among you
be the first to throw a stone.
Everyone walked away.
And what does Jesus say?
Neither do I condemn you.
Go on, and from now on, sin nomore.
(36:59):
The whole takeaway is Jesusgave instant forgiveness and a
call for transformation.
You know, that's my goal.
It's just every day, just to bemore like Jesus.
And for my boys, that's my goal.
For my boys, you know, couldcare less what their job is,
could care less sports oranything like that.
Just try to be more like Jesus.
(37:19):
I just could carry less sportsor anything like that.
Just try to be more like Jesus.
And then today, when I waswatching YouTube 1122, they're a
church out of I believe it's.
Oh man, what is it?
I think it's out ofJacksonville, florida.
Yeah, pastor Joby Martin doesthat, but they had a saturated
message that was live actuallywhen I was, or it premiered on
(37:44):
YouTube today where it was himand three other pastors while I
was working out.
So that's what I was listeningto.
And one thing that really caughtme was, according to scriptures
, pastors are called to equipthe saints to go out and
disciples.
Therefore, the football coachesis even more called than the
pastor.
So, those who don't know Joby'sstory, the way that Joby was
saved and baptized is he was.
It was his football coach,that's who introduced him to
(38:06):
Christ and Joby.
One of the things I love aboutthe 1122 churches they have they
go into multiple prisons andthey have live broadcast of
their church and have pastors inthose church or in the pastors
of the church.
They have live broadcast insidethe prisons and every you know,
(38:27):
every couple months they havebaptisms and you're talking like
20, 30 prisoners.
Criminals are all baptized.
Wow, how powerful is that.
Yeah.
So you're telling me that youknow, here in the world, like
their sins are still sins, Liketheir crimes are still crimes,
they still deal with theirpunishment right, but Jesus
forgives.
(38:48):
You know, no one's too far gonefor Christ and that's hard for
us to grasp.
I feel like oh yeah, it's hardfor me to grasp.
I'm not ready to grasp that yet, but if you're able to grasp
that, then you understand thepower of god in my eyes and so,
um, that was one of the bigthings he said.
He said sometimes I, you know,as a pastor, it's hard because
(39:11):
you know our, our actual duty isto equip, equip the saints,
equip the church to go out inthe world, you know, in the
world, to the non-believers andI don't believe that's holding
up signs and trying to convictpeople on the street corners
Most powerful language, I think,is love.
That's why we volunteer, right,that's right.
Love on those kids.
Yeah.
(39:32):
You know, and I just felt likethat, that to be live this
morning while I was working,working out like some things are
coincident, some things aren't,and I feel like that was one.
So his big thing was footballfield, locker room, community is
the modern day, uh, missionfields, and that that hit me
pretty close today.
So, um, you know, didn't Jesusdidn't just forgive, he equipped
(39:54):
people to walk differently.
You want to know how to changethe world?
I feel like that's how youchange the world.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
That's awesome man.
Yeah, all right, man Killed it.
No, I wouldn't go that far.
I uh, yeah, I apologize for myemotions.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I just don't apologize for that.
I think earlier in the week ifI'd have done it.
I mean, I think you saw myemotions earlier in the week.
It's something that's weighedon me.
It's going to keep weighing onme, and I hope it does, because
eventually, when something likethat happens and it doesn't
weigh on you, I feel like that'swhen you got an issue.
That's when you're not walkingclose to Christ, as if your
heart doesn't break for even theworst of sins and people, and I
(40:41):
mean even the.
You know.
Know we talked about thecharler kirk situation.
You know his uh, his family,yeah, like the shooter's family
even.
Yeah, you know.
I mean, yeah, you could putprobably a lot of blame on them,
but do you know their situation?
Do you know if that's whoradicalized them?
Do you know if they knew thathe was being radicalized or
whatever happened?
I mean, in the days to comeyou'll find out out, but it's
just like, even those people canyou imagine you never know.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
You don't, you don't, and, like we talk about,
everybody's got a story and inmost cases you don't know it,
right, and so, uh, what's aChristian to do is just, you
know what's the old song?
They'll know, they'll know weare Christians by our love.
Right, right, you hit on it.
Right, there is love.
So great job, man.
(41:25):
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That'll be this when this drops, that'll be this Saturday,
right?
Is that what we decided?
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I believe so.
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Yeah, so this Saturday.
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Yeah, ben said October 4th, right, let's go,
all right.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
All right, what episode 72, sir?
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This one's on you, buddy.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's nerve-wracking.
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No, you're good.
There's a lot of things goingon in this world right now that
have been challenging bothpersonally and for our nation as
a whole, and you've felt it tugon your heartstrings and I'm
going to let you take over fromhere and then we'll see where
this goes.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's a scary thing, no.
So, first off, I brought notesso that way I don't miss
anything, because, like Dan said, this has really been on my
heart.
We were going to do it a coupleweeks ago, or I guess it would
have been last week and maybe itwas earlier this week, but
anyway, just really wanted toprocess it through.
So, um, and it's still an openprocess that I'm trying to
(03:31):
process through, about thisworld that we live in and how,
you know, we're raising a totalof eight kids here in the studio
, right, five for you, three forme.
You're winning in that regards,congratulations.
Yeah, but it's a scary worldthat we live in.
It is and every day it growsscarier and scarier and you know
just how to process the wholething, and one thing that I try
(03:52):
to do is try to look toscripture to try to guide my way
through, and I feel like everytime I read the Bible, something
different will pop up and Ifeel like once you get baptized
and that Holy Spirit's in you,that God speaks through the
scripture to me.
So I'm not saying I have allthe answers at all, but this is
just what's been on my heart andkind of what I've been
processing through this pastweek.
So I wanted to start today withsomething that's been heavy on
(04:14):
my heart.
Just a couple of days ago I sawthe news about Charlie Kirk
situation.
It made me think about where weare as a society when it comes
to the truth, when it comes tothe gospel.
We live in a country wherewe're constantly saying how
blessed we are to have freedom,and that's true but while we
take that blessing for granted,there are Christians in China,
syria and across the world whoare killed daily for preaching
(04:36):
the gospel, for reading theBible and for living out their
faith.
It really hit me hard lastFriday when I saw a story that
hit closer to home.
A friend I once went to churchwith did life group with someone
whose wife I've known my wholeentire life committed an
unimaginable crime.
My first reaction was instantanger.
Anger at him for not being aleader of his family, anger for
(04:59):
the victim and their loved ones.
But right behind that cameguilt.
Guilt that I had grown apartfrom him, that I hadn't checked
in, and that there's thatquestion will haunt me, and it's
haunting me with this Like if Ihad, could things have been
different?
So where do I go from here?
Where do we go from here asfollowers of Jesus?
(05:19):
That's what I want to dig intotoday.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So, um, well, here's what I can tell you.
You know we've had hadconversations over the past
couple of weeks about thatsituation that really hit close
to home and we're not going toget into the details of it, just
just know that, uh, it it's.
It's an unimaginable thing thatthat occurred.
And you know you, you you toldme about it before I'd heard
(05:45):
from anyone else and I couldjust feel the pain.
I could see it in your eyes, Icould feel it in your emotion
and how you spoke, because thiswas someone you were close to
and you relate because they havechildren, they have young
children.
(06:05):
You relate to the wife in thissituation and you know, I think
a lot of cases, you know, youand I, we put ourselves in other
people's shoes.
Maybe that's not a good thing, Idon't know, but I felt like
that's what you were doing, likeputting yourself in that
situation, like why would thishappen?
(06:26):
Why would he do this to hisfamily, to his children?
And you know, the only answer Ican come up with is that the
devil is right there.
Temptation, doubt, all thosethings that the devil feeds upon
, is right there.
(06:46):
Is there anything you couldhave done?
I don't think so, ben.
Yeah, you know and I know thatthat's a heavy burden that you
carry, because you're a good man, like you care, you want to do
what's right, you want to be agood Christian, you want to help
others.
I mean, it's evident, it's whyyou're sitting right here, it's
why you are a part of our teamat the business, because of your
(07:09):
heart and your how much youcare for others.
So I feel it and I know thismorning you made a Patreon post.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
What time did you wake up?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Well, well, woke up at one 48, one 48, um, you know,
and I went to bed at 10, so Ididn't get too much sleep and
it's just.
It's happened a lot latelywhere you just kind of, all of a
sudden, it's just I pop up andit just can't go back to sleep,
you know, and uh yeah, so thatweighed heavy on my heart and I
just felt like god just kind ofwas not the audible voice, but
(07:41):
just feeling him, and just youknow, sometimes it's not an
audible voice, it's just the him, and just you know, sometimes
it's not an audible voice, it'sjust the Holy spirit stirring in
you.
And whenever that happens to me, I just kind of turn to the
Bible or what question I have,and I'll, sometimes I'll just go
to the internet and Google.
You know what I'm feeling, whatI'm dealing with.
Or you know the Bible app.
You can go in, you can put whatyou're dealing with, what
you're feeling, and I, you know,just healing.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I just went to his word to try to figure some
stuff out.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So that's where this came from.
So where do you go from here?
So the first thing that I foundin the scriptures it says what
followers of Jesus are called todo.
Right, because me as aChristian, well, me as just a
human, right, I talk about anger.
When I have anger, and the waythat anger that I felt towards a
crime that happened, I'vealways been like I wish I the
way that anger that I felttowards a crime that happened,
I've always been like I wish Icould find that guy in an alley
whenever that happens.
(08:30):
And I still feel that way.
And it's just, if I could findthat guy in an alley, I would
love to just you know what Imean, give him exactly what he
deserves.
And um, and I felt, you know, Ifeel guilty for feeling that
way and I still feel that way.
And that's what you got to lookat inside your heart and you
know Jesus calls us to be likehim.
(08:50):
And so scriptures that I foundwas forgive as Christ forgave.
Ephesians 4.32,.
Be kind to one another,tenderhearted, forgiving one
another as God and Christforgave you.
Colossians 3.13,.
Bear with one another and, ifone complaint against another,
forgive each other as the Lordforgave you, so you must also
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forgive, and it's just thosewords keep popping.
You know, scripture pops upabout forgiving and then, you
know, restoring Brothers.
If anyone's caught intransgression you are spiritual
you should restore him in spiritof gentleness and keep watch on
yourself as, like you said,lest of you be tempted, bear one
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another's burdens and sofulfill the law of Christ.
So constantly we see that theBible tells us like you're going
to be tempted and that's kindof where, as a brother, that's
where I felt guilt at when Itold you I a as a brother, like
if I, that's where I felt guiltat, when I told you I felt guilt
as a brother, right, I want tobe that guy that if I've ever
had a relationship with you andyou're going through something,
(09:54):
I want to be that first call,not because like, yeah, ben can
fix it, but a, I'll listen and B, I'll try to pour life into you
.
You know, and I feel likethat's my guilt, that I was kind
of feeling, if that makes senseto you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, no, it makes complete sense.
Again.
It's because you're a good manand you're strong in your faith.
And there's no doubt you'retempted, right?
We all are.
We're tempted every day.
We face doubt, we faceuncertainty.
Those are all parts of thedevil.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Right, uncertainty, those are all parts of the devil
, right, right and and.
But what we've got to keepdoing is digging into our faith.
I mean, what else happened thisweek?
Right, yeah, and there's a lotof stuff that happened this week
, sadly.
I mean, in Greenville, you hada young person take their life
and that's where the reachingout part, you know, that's,
that's where that comes intoplay.
Um, the foundation that we'relaying for our kids.
We're constantly around ourkids and we constantly complain
and we talk about what's all badin the world.
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Are we giving our kids hope?
And the kids that I mean it'swhy I try to be in every single
thing I can volunteer is try tobe hope in a kid's life, right,
kids' life that maybe they don'thave hope in their life
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currently, and I feel likethat's a missing thing that
Christians do is we constantlycomplain.
We don't give these kids hope.
We live in a culture where it'seasier to be negative, and just
something we got to work on, Ifeel like, as a culture.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, that, and it's the me culture, right.
It's, it's you know, we all havethat selfish nature in us and
you know, when I was 15 yearsold, I didn't have social media.
I don't know what that's likeas a kid, I don't know what
those.
You know how it influencesthese kids in a positive way or
a negative way.
You know, I know, with whatjust happened here a couple of
(11:45):
days ago with with Charlie Kirk,um, I'm saddened.
I'm saddened for the state ofour country.
It breaks my heart, whether you, whether you are a Republican
or a Democrat or a conservativeor a liberal, whether you are a
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Christian or you do not believe.
I just my heart breaks for acouple things.
My heart breaks for his family.
As a father, you know, I can'timagine the pain that his wife
feels, that his kids feel, thathis parents, that those closest
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to him feel.
And my heart breaks for thosepeople who make those comments
that I've read online about justsome vile hatred towards a
human being because of what hebelieved, because he was
(12:54):
outspoken.
I mean, I didn't know a wholelot about him.
I'd seen clips of him here andthere and the only thing that I
thought of him once I saw himwas this dude is super
intelligent, super intelligentand he's not afraid to talk
about Christianity and his faith.
He was very bold in that andbeyond that.
(13:14):
I don't have an opinion onanything else other than I'm
just sad.
I'm sad that there are peopleout there that feel that much
hatred or have that much hatredin their heart.
I can only imagine what theyhad to deal with in their life
to get to that point.
Yeah, I'm trying to live mylife to be grateful for
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everything I have and I know Iam blessed beyond measure and
I'm super grateful for it.
We just had Sean Rebush in herelast week.
Father was murdered, loses hisgrandfather at 11 years old,
within six months apart.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Had to watch it in a fire.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Watch them die.
He's grateful for his life.
He's grateful for having to gothrough that pain as a young kid
.
I just, you know, I don't.
We talk about it all the time.
I don't know where this podcastgoes.
I don't know what happens and,quite frankly, it doesn't.
That doesn't matter, becauseit's not my podcast, it's not
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your.
You know we're doing this tospread hope and to joy and to
faith and to maybe be thatperson you know somebody's story
that they may hear that changesthat one life.
Yeah, so it's just heartbreakingto me that there are people out
there full of that much vileand hatred and you could flip it
(14:39):
.
We talked about it, you know, Italked about it with my wife.
I was like you know what's?
What's crazy is you see allthese comments from people,
these negative comments, and I'mnot even going to bring light
to what they say.
I mean you can imagine how vilethese comments are and you flip
it and let's say heaven forbid,when Obama was president, he
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would have been.
He got assassinated.
It would have been the exactsame thing on the extreme
conservative, republican side.
People would have done the samething.
I look at it as though most ofthe people I hope in this world.
Picture a football field 50yards wide right, most of the
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people.
You might be on the right sideof that hash mark, but you're
still inside the.
You're in bounds, right, theother half on the left side, but
they're still in bounds.
And then you've got your, yourfive or your 10% that are
outside the extreme right side,out of bounds and the extreme
left side out of bounds.
How do we get those people toget from being out of bounds to
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getting back in bounds, to wherewe can at least have some
conversations that people don'tgo off the deep end and go to
the extreme of taking anotherhuman being's life because of
what they say?
I mean, what happened to Jesus?
He was crucified for what hesaid, right, crucified for what
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he said.
I mean, think about that.
I don't know.
I don't know where this goes.
I don't know what comes from it.
Something good will come fromit, but my heart just aches,
yeah it does.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And then you think about those comments.
And you said a minute ago thatwe put ourselves in other
people's shoes, and so you reada comment like that and it's I'm
like okay, I just hate a personthat I that I hate.
Honestly, it's hard for me toeven think of somebody that I
hate.
Like can you imagine if theydied and you would celebrate?
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Like would you celebrateanybody?
You know what I mean.
Like it's one situation whereit's like I can't put myself in,
like not even in the samehemisphere of that thought.
You know what I mean.
Like it's out of this worldthat somebody would have those
thoughts.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It is.
Yeah, it's heartbreaking, yeah,it's heartbreaking all the way
around the whole, the wholestate of of everything like that
.
Just, I don't know, I it's just.
It's not even a part of anythought or feeling that I have
to ever feel hatred like that orsomeone.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
So the next one that I had was show mercy, and I have
two scriptures for that one andthe first one's, james two, 13,
for judgment is without mercyto one who has shown no mercy,
mercy, mercy triumphs overjudgment.
And then Matthew five, sevenblessed are the merciful for
they shall receive mercy.
I mean, it's pretty clear rightthere.
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Jesus calls us to be merciful.
And then I got.
Love covers sin.
1 Peter, 4, 8, above all, keeploving one another earnestly,
since love converts a multitudeof sins.
Proverbs 10, 12, hatred stirsup strife, but love covers all
the differences or all theoffenses.
You know, you just talked aboutwhat.
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What do we need?
We need Proverbs 10.
Hatred stirs up strife, butlove covers all offenses.
It's flat out, right there.
Yeah.
Like, what's wrong with thisworld?
All the hatred, yeah, and allthe people in the world that
want to stir up the hatred.
And you know there's peoplethat do stuff and post stuff
just for clicks.
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Well, you know, we had aconversation with kevin about
mentally.
There's some people out therethat are just at the so extreme
mentally and not mentallyhealthy to where they they see
that clickbait, they see thatand they're like, yeah, this guy
is like a Nazi, we'd better offwithout him.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And then that's what happens, right, so talk about
that, kevin, because you broughtup a point.
We were in here talking beforewe hit record that, uh, you know
, I I don't know, but you butyou have, uh, you have
experience in in some of thesemental issues that people deal
with.
So talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Well, no matter what side and that's the problem is,
everyone's choosing sides andwe'll always be a divided
country.
Because of that, buttons can bepushed.
And when people are notmentally well, mentally unstable
, they're ill.
You know and I'm not talkingbad about them because I've been
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there Right, you have, you havethe fight or flight mechanisms
in your brain and then you also,when you are at your absolute
rock bottom, you're eitherhomicidal or suicidal or both.
So I definitely feel like,unfortunately, elected officials
(19:49):
, activists, anytime you step ona stage, you know buttons could
be pushed.
Buttons are going to be pushed.
I mean, there's a reason you'reon the stage because you have
some very interestinginformation, some factual
information or opinionatedinformation.
Either way, you have stuff thatpeople are interested in
(20:12):
hearing, and obviously Charliewas one of those people.
So it pushes buttons and youknow, usually that's fun until
(20:37):
we take lives over spot, wherethey can't agree to disagree
because opinions they haveformed, whether it's through
media, and we know how mediaworks.
You know we can't trustanything that we see in media
and a lot of it is AI-generated,interrated, so, um, people get
(20:58):
real angry and they can't agreeto disagree with each other, and
and that's why we're going tostay divided as a country.
I think we're always going tobe at war and I think incidents
like this that happened uh, isjust going to keep divvying us
up.
You know, uh, it's unfortunate,very unfortunate, but yeah
that's good points.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
What else you got, Ben?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
So, and then the next one I got is comfort and
reaffirm.
So 2 Corinthians, 2, 7, 8.
So you should rather turn toforgive and confront him, or he
may be overwhelmed by excessivesorrow.
So I beg you to reaffirm yourlove for him.
Just comfort and reaffirm.
We all go through struggle, weall go through strife, but you
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got to be there for one anotherwhen we go in deep sorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
So let me ask you this going back to that family,
you know, and what happened, Doyou forgive him?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So that is deep and that is where I'm at and I know
in my heart that this is whatprobably needs to happen.
Right, and that's why I pull upthese verses.
However, no like, personally,and I'm not in a spot where I am
(22:16):
emotionally Um, obviously I'vereached out to the family like
you know what I mean but no,like, I'm not in a spot where,
first off, I don't know if I'min need of forgiveness for him
to like, for me to forgive him,cause he did nothing to me.
My main concern, and the wholereason why I'm looking at this,
(22:38):
is because that was somebodythat I, that's somebody that I
share my life with, that'ssomebody that my kids grew up
with, that's somebody when hewas away at war, we were there
with his family and seeing thepain and everything.
So I'm not one that needs to uhforgive.
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I don't feel like, uh, my angeris more for the the kids and
the wife, who are just amazingpeople, and the pain that they
feel, uh, so I don't think thatI'm I'm one that needs to
forgive.
My main thing is is there suchthing as too lost?
Um, and if there's not, whichthe scripture tells me there's
(23:23):
not.
You know what I mean.
No matter what your sin is,jesus died on the cross for us.
And today I heard just I wasscrolling trying to find just
different verses and thedifferent preaching of verses,
because I know what they mean tome, but just to hear other
people talk about it, and one ofthem was the forgiveness of
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Christ, and they drew out thisbeautiful picture for me.
And it was, you know, the king.
The king gets like 10 bars ofgold stolen from him, right, and
he's like whoever stole thatgold, it's, it's lashes.
Well, then, all of a sudden, itstill didn't get turned in.
(24:03):
Well, it's going to be morelashes.
Then it didn't get turned inand then it's like, okay,
there's going to be 40 lashes.
Well, 40 lashes is basicallythe death penalty in this
sentence.
And all of a sudden it comesforward that it's the king's
daughter, and the king'sdaughter is the one and he
stands there and he's looking athis daughter and he has to be
(24:25):
just.
So, yes, he needs to deal withthe punishment.
And then, as soon as the lasheswere about ready to start and
they were about ready to hit him, the king runs out, takes his
shirt off and covers hisdaughter and then he's like all
right, I'm ready for it.
And they're the guards like,well, I can't give you the
lashes now, like, if I gave youthe lashes, you're the one
(24:45):
that's going to die.
And he's like I know, hit herLike she deserves it.
You hit her.
And so the whole point of thatis that's what Jesus did for us.
You know what I mean.
Like there's so many sins inthis world that we none of us
live up to.
I don't live up to, um, andthey're all equal and God died
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and came down here and died onthe cross for all of us.
What my prayer is and what Ihope is that my heart that's
hardened right now and that ishurt, um, I just I'm going to
pray over these scriptures andjust, hopefully, god, you know,
help my faith.
That obviously isn't strongenough to deal with this.
Um, if this is something thatyou want me to do, you want me
(25:28):
to reach out, uh, give me thatfaith, give me that strength,
because right now I'm not at aspot and I think that's okay.
You know what I mean.
I feel like, as long as I'mopen to my prayer life with
Jesus, I don't feel likeanything's not possible, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, it does completely, man, and I see the
emotion in your eyes.
I know you've been.
I know this week's been toughfor you since, you know, since
last Friday when we or, yeah, itwas last Friday when we found
everything out and, um, you know, I just know you're battling
and it's good because you're agood man, because you care,
because, um, you know when, whenyou think you know someone and
(26:09):
you you've had a relationshipwith them as a, as a friend, and
you've been through differentthings with them and supported
their family, and it's like agut punch right.
And you, just you know there'sthings that happen in this world
that you just aren't preparedfor.
But that's where faith comesinto play and you're you're
(26:33):
doing the right thing, you'releaning on God, and you're just
saying, hey, I don't know whatto do, right, I don't know what
to think.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Just, I'm not ready for it and you know I know what
needs to happen.
Well, I think I know what needsto happen, but I'm going to
pray on it Like I'm not.
It's not going to be a gutreaction.
I think this is what God wantsme to do.
I'm just going to do it and notfeel completely convicted, like
this is scripture, is theliving word in my life, like
that's what I want to live mylife.
(27:01):
Like I want to live my lifelike Jesus, like that's my goal
and when I, when I was baptized,like that's the, it's the whole
point of being baptized outward, like confirmation that you
want to live your life likeJesus.
So part of my emotions, which Iam like I, it has me really
messed up.
It had me really messed up allweek and I'll be messed up for a
(27:22):
while and I think that's thehonestly, I think it's the Holy
spirit in me and I I know yousay like shouldn't feel guilt.
I probably shouldn't feel guilt, but I just think it's the Holy
spirit just broken, like andmaybe I can't do something and
maybe I couldn't have donesomething, but it's almost like,
hey, who's that guy that weneed to reach out to.
(27:43):
Who's the who's the personyou're supposed to reach out to?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So it's powerful.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Oh yeah so, but I'm an emotional person.
This is normal.
I'm just kidding, it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I'm just kidding, it's not.
I'm not sure I've seen.
No, no, no, but it's okay.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
But I'll never apologize for, uh, what the Holy
spirit draws up in me.
So, just glory to God, nomatter what.
So, um, but on a personal level, which will, um, forgiveness.
So we talk about forgiveness.
Uh, growing up, there werethings in my childhood that did
leave some deep wounds.
Uh, for years I held a grudgeagainst my mom for things that
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happened.
Back then the bitternessweighed on me and it weighed on
her.
But when I finally choseforgive her, uh, when I let go
of the resentment and extendedgrace, something powerful
happened.
She found peace and I foundpeace.
See, forgiveness didn't really,uh, erase the past, but it
redeemed the relationship andthrough that, I felt forgiveness
(28:44):
in Jesus of my own sins.
In a deeper way, his peace feltthe same place, that where
bitterness once lived.
That's the power of forgiveness.
It doesn't just set the otherperson free, it sets you free
too.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That's awesome, man it is.
You know, forgiveness is is oneof those things, and we've
talked about it before.
That's very difficult to do.
But when you realize that theperson who's carrying that
burden and that weight is you,and when you finally let go and
(29:22):
you forgive, right, that's whenthat weight's lifted off your
chest.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, it's for sure.
I mean, I've felt it before andI know it.
And, like I said, forgivenessis a powerful thing.
It's not just the person theyforgive, it's also for the ones
that, uh, that are given theforgiveness.
You know, resentment isn't whatGod wants for you and uh, yeah,
you know what's your mom's oneof your biggest fans one of our
(29:51):
biggest fans she loves thepodcast she uh yeah yeah, a huge
supporter and um I I'm surethat this will mean a lot to her
.
Yeah, and I mean you hear aboutdivorce a lot on the show and
how it wrecks you know most ofthe time it wrecks kids or
that's what everybody says, butit's not just a fact Like
(30:12):
there's pain in divorce at anytime and a home can be broken
when a home's not broken.
Um, and a home can be brokenwhen a home's not broken.
So even though your parentsaren't divorced, you can still
feel the weight of a brokenrelationship and a broken family
.
And uh, yeah, I love my mom todeath, you know it.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, man, that's great.
I mean this is, this is apowerful one man.
You know you're, um, you'resharing a lot of, a lot of
things here, a lot ofdifficulties that you're in the
middle of that, that we're allin.
I mean, a lot of people arefacing a lot of these same
challenges and trying tonavigate how to, how to handle.
You know, like the Charlie Kirksituation and having the
(30:54):
conversation with your kids, andyou know all the I mean that
murder is visible on socialmedia.
You know, my 18 year olddaughter is the one that told me
about it and said she saw it.
Those are tough conversationsto have, those are tough things
for anyone to see, but they'reimportant to have and to discuss
(31:17):
those things and be open and tosay, okay, what, how'd this
make you feel?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Right, and it's also a time to reflect on um social
media or kids, right.
I mean, I wasn't looking for it, I was looking for information
and then I went watching.
you know I've watched Charlie'sspeeches before because you know
, not to get too political, butyou know, I'm a religious man
(31:42):
and abortion is a big one for me.
Like that's a, that's a bigthing for me.
And here and on a collegecampus, somebody stick up for
the most vulnerable, the babiesthat can't talk.
And you know, here I'll sit inthere watching some of those
where he's just having thatconversation.
It's just an open conversationand when it got to the end and
(32:02):
they agreed to disagree and theyboth had their chance to voice
their opinions, it was all right.
Have a great day.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It wasn't no F you or anythinglike that it was just have a
good day.
And yeah, it's just it's.
(32:22):
I'm sitting there scrollingthrough those and watching some
of the ones where he just talksabout sharing his faith openly,
about Jesus and about that's theway that he wants to live, and
there's a real good one.
If you haven't watched Charlie,I'd tell you to go watch one.
It's of him talking to men ofour generation and it's one of
the most powerful ones I saw.
And it just says if you're akid or you're a, you know a
young adult and you're lookingfor a, or you're single and
(32:43):
you're looking for a wife, youknow, and you're scrolling
through the internet, you'redoing it wrong.
And when you know, playing videogames, stuff like that, he said
you want to meet a great womanand you want to impress her, you
go to her and you say, like mygoal is to find a wife that I
can lead, that I'm going toleave religiously, that's going
to love the Lord, that's goingto love me, and biblically.
(33:05):
And it's not word for word,exactly how I said, but that was
the whole.
I mean it's about like a twominute clip, but it's one of the
most greatest clips, like twominute clips that I could see to
where one day, like when mykids get older, it's like, hey,
look like this is what you needto do if you want to find the
right woman, you know.
And I think the question forhim was what would you look for
(33:25):
for a wife?
And it was somebody that wouldwant this for him, because this
is what I want for me, and itwas just beautiful.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I hope you know all of our dedicated listeners out
there.
With this episode, you knowwe're not trying to stir up any
negative emotions or feelings.
I think what we're trying to dohere is just have an open
conversation to show you what,two Christian men, how we feel,
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how these things areheartbreaking and how we're just
not reacting on raw emotion.
We're trying to process thesethings.
We're trying to haveconversations, we're trying to
discern, we're trying to pray,we're trying to listen to the
Holy Spirit and so, whether youare a follower of Jesus Christ
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or whether you are an atheist IChrist or whether you are an
atheist, I hope that if youlisten to this, that you
recognize we truly care.
We truly care about each other,about our families, about our
wives.
We care about our community.
We care about anyone andeveryone out there, whether you
(34:41):
agree or you disagree with,whatever our beliefs are.
Let's just get better at havingopen conversations, not getting
so upset and vile about things,and don't just instantly post
comments on social media andjust let it fly.
Think about what you're saying.
(35:02):
Think about how those wordshave actions and consequences to
others and especially to youngpeople out there listening Like
what you say, how you say it canaffect somebody in a way that
you have no clue how it's goingto affect them.
Give it some thought, talk tothose who you trust in and
(35:28):
listen, just listen, yeah, right, yep.
That's what I hope people gainfrom from hearing you and your
passion, your emotion, it's,it's powerful man and it's and
it's needed to be discussed,because we all face battles, we
all face uncertainties.
We don't know how to handlethis situation.
That just happened, right,right, it's tough, yeah, life's
(35:52):
tough, yep, but we got to keepmoving forward.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah.
So the next thing I got wasJesus calls us to be like him.
John 2, 6,.
Whoever says he abides in himought to walk in the same way in
which he walked.
Then you got Philippians 2.5,.
Have this mind among yourselveswhich is yours in Christ Jesus.
John 13.15, for I have givenyou an example that you also
(36:17):
should do, just as I have doneto you.
The Christian life isn't justabout believing in Jesus, it's
about becoming more like him.
He forgave so we forgive.
He showed mercy so we showmercy.
He restores so we restore.
And then I got John 8, which iskind of the anchor of the whole
(36:37):
thing.
You know, the woman was caughtin adultery and she was ready to
be stoned right, everybody'swaiting for her to be stoned.
And Jesus comes and said lethim who is without sin among you
be the first to throw a stone.
Everyone walked away.
And what does Jesus say?
Neither do I condemn you.
Go on, and from now on, sin nomore.
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The whole takeaway is Jesusgave instant forgiveness and a
call for transformation.
You know, that's my goal.
It's just every day, just to bemore like Jesus.
And for my boys, that's my goal.
For my boys, you know, couldcare less what their job is,
could care less sports oranything like that.
Just try to be more like Jesus.
(37:19):
I just could carry less sportsor anything like that.
Just try to be more like Jesus.
And then today, when I waswatching YouTube 1122, they're a
church out of I believe it's.
Oh man, what is it?
I think it's out ofJacksonville, florida.
Yeah, pastor Joby Martin doesthat, but they had a saturated
message that was live actuallywhen I was, or it premiered on
(37:44):
YouTube today where it was himand three other pastors while I
was working out.
So that's what I was listeningto.
And one thing that really caughtme was, according to scriptures
, pastors are called to equipthe saints to go out and
disciples.
Therefore, the football coachesis even more called than the
pastor.
So, those who don't know Joby'sstory, the way that Joby was
saved and baptized is he was.
It was his football coach,that's who introduced him to
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Christ and Joby.
One of the things I love aboutthe 1122 churches they have they
go into multiple prisons andthey have live broadcast of
their church and have pastors inthose church or in the pastors
of the church.
They have live broadcast insidethe prisons and every you know,
(38:27):
every couple months they havebaptisms and you're talking like
20, 30 prisoners.
Criminals are all baptized.
Wow, how powerful is that.
Yeah.
So you're telling me that youknow, here in the world, like
their sins are still sins, Liketheir crimes are still crimes,
they still deal with theirpunishment right, but Jesus
forgives.
(38:48):
You know, no one's too far gonefor Christ and that's hard for
us to grasp.
I feel like oh yeah, it's hardfor me to grasp.
I'm not ready to grasp that yet, but if you're able to grasp
that, then you understand thepower of god in my eyes and so,
um, that was one of the bigthings he said.
He said sometimes I, you know,as a pastor, it's hard because
(39:11):
you know our, our actual duty isto equip, equip the saints,
equip the church to go out inthe world, you know, in the
world, to the non-believers andI don't believe that's holding
up signs and trying to convictpeople on the street corners
Most powerful language, I think,is love.
That's why we volunteer, right,that's right.
Love on those kids.
Yeah.
(39:32):
You know, and I just felt likethat, that to be live this
morning while I was working,working out like some things are
coincident, some things aren't,and I feel like that was one.
So his big thing was footballfield, locker room, community is
the modern day, uh, missionfields, and that that hit me
pretty close today.
So, um, you know, didn't Jesusdidn't just forgive, he equipped
(39:54):
people to walk differently.
You want to know how to changethe world?
I feel like that's how youchange the world.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
That's awesome man.
Yeah, all right, man Killed it.
No, I wouldn't go that far.
I uh, yeah, I apologize for myemotions.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I just don't apologize for that.
I think earlier in the week ifI'd have done it.
I mean, I think you saw myemotions earlier in the week.
It's something that's weighedon me.
It's going to keep weighing onme, and I hope it does, because
eventually, when something likethat happens and it doesn't
weigh on you, I feel like that'swhen you got an issue.
That's when you're not walkingclose to Christ, as if your
heart doesn't break for even theworst of sins and people, and I
(40:41):
mean even the.
You know.
Know we talked about thecharler kirk situation.
You know his uh, his family,yeah, like the shooter's family
even.
Yeah, you know.
I mean, yeah, you could putprobably a lot of blame on them,
but do you know their situation?
Do you know if that's whoradicalized them?
Do you know if they knew thathe was being radicalized or
whatever happened?
I mean, in the days to comeyou'll find out out, but it's
just like, even those people canyou imagine you never know.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
You don't, you don't, and, like we talk about,
everybody's got a story and inmost cases you don't know it,
right, and so, uh, what's aChristian to do is just, you
know what's the old song?
They'll know, they'll know weare Christians by our love.
Right, right, you hit on it.
Right, there is love.
So great job, man.
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Appreciate the vulnerability.
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