BeTempered Episode 80 - The Journey From Addiction to Influence with Tim Clowers and the God Who Met Him There - BeTempered

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What's up, everybody?
Welcome to the Be TemperedPodcast, episode number 80.
80.
Man, we're cruising right along.
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I'm so proud of myself.
Got one job.
Hey, today's guest is someonewhose story embodies what Bee
Tempered is all aboutresilience, redemption, and a
heart for service.

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Chef Tim Clowers from Knoxville,Tennessee, has spent over 20
years in the restaurant andcatering industry.
He's traveled the world,experienced cultures through
their food, and brought thoseflavors and lessons back home to
share with others.
But what truly defines Tim isn'tjust his talent in the kitchen,
it's in his compassion andcalling to serve.

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Alongside with his wife, Jackie,Tim founded Juniper Worldwide in
2018, a nonprofit born from adeep desire to feed both body
and soul.
Together they can often be founddowntown under Knoxville's
bridges, feeding the hungry,listening, and offering hope to
those in need.
Rooted in Isaiah 55, verse 13,Juniper's mission is to help

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transform thorn bushes intojunipers, to help people grow
where pain once stood, and toturn despair into purpose.
Their outreach has become amovement of its own, a gathering
of volunteers who have becomefamily.
Through Tim's company, Cook Itwith Tim, they've equipped
countless people with tools,training, and confidence to

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build a future in thehospitality industry.
And what makes Tim's story evenmore powerful is his journey to
get here.
Mark Broker, who recommended Timfor the podcast, said it best.
Tim and his wife, Jackie, aren'tblood relatives, but their
family to Megan and me.
They helped us through some ofthe hardest times in our life.

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Tim has shown me the power offaith, prayer, and truly
listening to God.
His story, growing up, battlingaddiction, finding faith, going
through divorce and redemption,ministry, juniper worldwide, and
traveling the globe.
All of it's rooted inperseverance and growth.
Everything with Tim leads backto Jesus.

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No matter how successful youare, he reminds you to give
thanks and to praise him.
So to today, we unpack thatstory.
A story of redemption, faith,and finding purpose through
service.
Tim, welcome to the BeatemperPodcast.

SPEAKER_02 (05:01):
Glad to be here.
Those are some words that I hopeto live up to.
Spoken by a true, I won't evensay friend, but my brother and
his wife and little Annabelle.
Wow.
Sorry, that that made meemotional.

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I know some probably not theopen people like, well, welcome.
But when someone else sayssomething about you, that's
that's really what defines you.
I would never talk about myselflike that.

SPEAKER_07 (05:35):
It's pretty awesome.
It told me a lot about the manthat you are because you know
Mark uh and I's friendship is ispretty new.
And uh we were walking one dayin the Arboretum and he he said
you need to interview Tim.
He's been so impactful in myfamily's life and some of our

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most down times.
And he's been such a positivepresence, and he's the
definition of a Christian.
And if I can get him up here,which I know I can, it'll be a
great interview.
And here you are.
So we're glad to have you, man.

SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
Thanks for making the track.
I am so happy to be here.
I I the drive up yesterday, youknow, it's about a six-hour
drive from Knoxville, Tennessee.
I just was quiet.
I made a lot of phone calls, youknow, just due to my business
and the nature of it, and what Ido uh in social media as an
influencer.
Now that's what I do full time.

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And I I had a lot of calls, butI had a lot of downtime as well.
And I was like, Lord, just helpme to be a mouthpiece for you
today.
And we watched a football gamelast night, Go Cowboys finally a
win this season.
We get to celebrate.
Um, but you know, beyond that,it was more about the company
that, you know, as soon as Iwalked in the door last night

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when I got to Mark's house, Markand Maggins is is their daughter
Annabelle.
She's a a divine miracle fromGod.
And just getting to see her,hang out with her for the night,
watch a game, and I enjoyfootball, I enjoyed their
company.

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My wife wasn't here, which kindof stinks, but it's okay.
She's gonna travel with me morenext year.
And I got a great night's sleep.
I slept nine and a half hours,and then the first thing that I
read, uh, or first element ofcommunication I get when I woke
up was a text from my wifetalking about our aunt.

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It's actually her aunt, but Icall her my aunt because by
gosh, she's not blood, but thesame way that Mark what Mark and
Megan said, we're not blood, butman, we're family.
And when she told me that, howshe was sitting in God's
presence this morning, thankfulthat our her aunt Kim got
baptized the day before that sheand her ending message was when

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we work together, people getsaved.
Man, that just lit me up thismorning like like no other.
Because in the in the cateringbusiness, you have to function
at a high level.
And we did together uh for over10 for about 10 years, we worked
together in the cateringbusiness, and you have to be in

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sync mentally, physically, andyou do, and you gotta serve a
lot of people and you have toflow.
And we did, man, we work greattogether.
My wife and I are a fantasticteam.
But when we when we're not in uhsync together, man, it's kind of
like chaos, nobody wants to bearound for that.

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Yeah, but most of the time, 99%of the time, we are, and that's
that's how we fed a lot ofpeople.
We represented Christ well, andin the when it comes to the
kingdom, people get saved.
It's it's true when people seethe best in you or see the God
in you, people want it so theyget saved, and it impacts their

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life.
And I just give all the glory toGod.
It it was a journey of the last11 years of my wife and I's
life, speaking into our AuntKim's life, never saying
anything about her life or whatshe believes, what she thinks.

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We just loved her the way thatChrist loves the church,
regardless.
And man, the video she showed usa video of her getting dunked
and she came up out of thatwater.
Wow, it was a it was a wowmoment.
I mean, it's it's it's just asimpactful for me to see that as

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the birth of your first child.

SPEAKER_06 (09:49):
Yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (09:51):
Sorry, Chris, if you saw if you're hearing this
podcast.
I love you, son.
It was still a great moment.
It was.
That was great, by the way.
Yeah, when your the first childwas born.

SPEAKER_07 (10:00):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Or even your second or your third, however many kids
is.
It was powerful.
Five.
I was about to say Dan's gotfive.
Well, we have five together, meand my wife.
Okay.
So we might, you know, we don'tit's we're blended.

SPEAKER_07 (10:14):
Well, good.
Well, thank you for sharing thatbecause we talked about that
earlier, and I think that'spretty powerful.
And I could tell it's impactedyou this morning just just by
you walking in here.
So, um, but how we like to startevery podcast is is this is
about you.
This is we we want to get toknow your story.
We want to get to know, youknow, the things that have
impacted you in your life, anduh so we like to start from

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childhood.
So if you would start from thebeginning, talk about where you
grew up and what life life waslike for you as a child.

SPEAKER_02 (10:42):
My dad was an evangelist pastor when I was a
kid, and my memories up untilthe age 14 was church, tent
meetings.
Yeah, I remember when I was likeabout eight years old, I was
laying on the big pieces ofsawdust, you know, on the floor,

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because that's what my dad did,is he was an evangelist and had
semis with tents and bags ofsawdust that they would spread
around on the floor and themetal folding chairs, uh, even
wooden ones back in the day.
And I was about eight years old,and I remember it was my dad was

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up on stage preaching.
I don't remember anything aboutmy siblings at that moment, but
what I do remember is I was layliterally laying on the sawdust
floor, uh, or ground, actually,not floor, but a ground.
Uh, and my dad was preaching,been going for a while, and my
mom was sitting next to me.
I remember looking up and justkind of tugging on my mom's

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skirt.
Is he done?
Is he about done?
When are we going home?
It's a memory that I have.
And uh my dad was alwaystraveling, he was always gone,
he was always out saving theworld.
He was gone.
And I remember like when I was12 or 11, I started playing

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baseball.
I wasn't any good.
I wanted to be good because I Iloved the game of baseball.
I truly loved it passionately.
I played it for, I guess, aboutthree springs, early summers,
you know.
I wasn't any good.
I didn't have anybody to reallypractice with and throw the ball
with.
Not that that would have made mebetter, but it might have if I
had somebody uh to be in mycorner and to throw and catch,

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but I didn't have anybody, andit's okay.
Uh I know that probably I wasn'ta star athlete to be, you know,
the next uh star baseballplayer, but I only think I
remember is my dad was gone alot.
He was always gone about savingthe world, fulfilling his call.
And I remember I I my brother orsomebody offered me a marijuana

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joint.
And I started smoking that at 14or something like that.
And so I started getting intothat a little bit, and then my I
have uh an older brother whowas, I think, almost he was 15.
This isn't this is we're gonna,I'm gonna fast forward to a
moment in time of August of1982.
Uh I was at 14 or about to turn14, and then I had a brother who

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was 15, about to turn 16 in afew months.
So we're almost two years apart,and then I had another brother
older than that.
Uh his name is David, thenanother older sister who's uh uh
older than him.
And so I just startedexperimenting with marijuana,
and this is the summer of 1982,and my brother, the next brother

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up, his name is Jeff.
He started to work with my dadat the church because he wanted
to save as much money possibleso he could buy him a car.
He's turning 16, man, he wanteda car.
So he's just working, working,working, and he would go on
trips with dad to uh down southor up north with him on the
road.
And then when he would comeback, he would because my dad

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started a church uh severalyears before that in
Chattanooga, Tennessee, and hewas working for him, doing
whatever he needed, janitorialwork, setting up this, whatever
needed to be, and he did it.
And late August, uh I remembermy brother, uh, me and my older
brother David, we were up thestreet, top of the hill, playing

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with a friend John Usher,hanging out with him, you know,
doing what 14.
And I guess 18-year-olds do hangout with the neighbor, and then
my sister comes running up tous, top of the hill.
She's out of breath.
She, you know, she doesn'texercise, she doesn't run, and
she c runs to the top of thehill where John Usher lived and

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his family, and she's out ofbreath.
Tim, David, mom and dad says,You got y'all gotta come home.
Like, that's strange.
She would never run to the topof the hill and tell us to come
home at the instruction of hermom and dad.
So we we go down to the bottomof the hill, we walk in the
house, and there's all thesepeople like everywhere in our

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house.
And I'm like, what in the worldis going on?
And then we saw my mom and dadat the very end of the hallway
when we walked in the house, andI forget who said it, my mom or
my dad.
I said Jeff's dad.
And I'm just like, what?
I just I'm just in shock.
I'm not in tears, I'm not anemotional or anything like that.

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But long end of it is my brotherdied of electrocution.
And what happened was he wascrawling up under the stage in
my dad's church, and there wassome ductwork that wasn't
ground, that there was activecurrent moving through the
ductwork under the stage.
That's where a lot of storagetook place in my dad's church or

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the church that he pastored.
And so he touched it and he waselectrocuted instantly.
And what happened was my dadwalked around the church.
This is the story we found outlater, is for several hours that
nobody had seen him.
And so he starts asking people,where's Jeff?
And one of the other persons inthe church, the employee, said,
Well, last I remember he wasgoing to get some stuff out from

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under the stage.
And so my dad finds him underthe stage and pulls him out
dead.
So that was a big catalyst ofSatan being used in my life.
Because I thought to myself, I'mlike, why would I want to serve
a God where my brother dies inyour house?
And so, and as we shared alittle earlier, is that's when I

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started experimenting withmarijuana.
And then one thing led toanother.
Uh, I mean, gosh, by the time Iwas 18 years old, I was an
addict.
I was mad at God, upset.
Like, why would you what's up,God, dude?

SPEAKER_07 (16:58):
How did your how'd your parents handle that
situation?

SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
They didn't know how to.
They didn't.
They did the best that theycould.
I was still mad at my God, or myGod, I was still mad at God.
I was mad at my dad because hewas always gone.
So the only thing I knew to dowas medicate with marijuana,
then one thing led to another,you know, snorting cocaine, and
then eventually by the time I'm18, I'm I'm smoking crack.

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I'm we're boiling that stuff,you know, and then X and all
kinds of stuff.
And by the time I'm 18 yearsold, I I remember we took a trip
down to Fort Lauderdale becausemy uh grandmother and my uh
uncle they moved down there.
Uh my mom's side, they're allCanadian or uh Canadians, you
know, and so they moved downsouth like snowbirds.

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And I remember uh I took aseparate trip by myself.
I was 18 and a half years old,and I remember I was staying in
one of their apartments.
They had like an apartment typehotel down there, and I I needed
something, and I was out of whatI needed, and I remember going
to the the ghetto hood, whateveryou want to call it, in Fort

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Lauderdale, Florida, with$50.
And I went and bought a littlebaggie with about five rocks of
crack in it, and I go back tothe hotel, and I'm like, oh
well, I need a lighter and Ineed how am I gonna cook this?
So I literally go get aCoca-Cola can out of the trash

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can, rinse it out with water,poke some holes in it, and get a
lighter and start smoking rock,right?
And that was like the bottom forme, I felt like.
I was almost 19, but it wasn'tthe bottom.
It wasn't the bottom.
And several years go by, and Iget you know, I'm in the

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restaurant business at thispoint, obviously.
Uh that's what I did, that's whoI became because other things
didn't work out for me.
I tried college, I would justfell out, I would, I would show
up high or wasted, whatever incollege, and so I just I kind of
gave up on that.
And so I just the restaurantbusiness seemed to work for me.
And you know, it was it went onfor years, and then I got an

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opportunity to be a manager, andthen they drug tested.
So I'm like, okay, all right.
I got this.
I'm gonna stop whatever it isfor 90 days.
So I did.
I stopped for 90 days.

SPEAKER_07 (19:28):
Um how was the withdrawal?

SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
Uh it wasn't as bad because I that's one thing, I
guess, if you know anythingabout me, which obviously you're
learning, is I can I've got areally strong willpower.
I can quit anything I want to.
Like if I don't want to eat fora day, two days, three days, and
fast, I'll do it.
If I don't want to do this, Iwon't do it.

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But doing drugs all those yearsthat I did it, it was actually a
total of 14 years of addictionthat I suffered from.
Uh, but it was really just amass to cover up the pain that
was going on internally.
And so I did.
I I quit uh for about 90 days toso that I could pass the drug
test so that everything's out ofyour system.
And I I became a manager and dida good job.

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And but I yet I left behind allthe drugs and I became a you
know what they call a closingmanager.
And, you know, it was a companycalled O'Charlie's.
They were pretty popular down inthe southeast uh for a season
back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
And I was a closing manager,that means the bar didn't close,

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or the the restaurant closed at10, but the bar stayed open till
one.
Well, what do you think I didfrom 10:30 to one while waiting
on the bar to close?
Well, there's all this liquorand beer, so somebody needs to
drink it.
And so that's what I did.
I self-medicated, and I justremember this is this is a

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moment that really impacted mylife is uh I I became an
alcoholic in some in someregards, but not really.
Um I just started drinking a lotbecause that was the thing to
do, and I couldn't, I couldn'thave marijuana or coke, whatever
the drug of choice was, becauseI would be at risk of getting
drug tested.
And so I remember I just wouldstart drinking because all I'd

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get I'd get my closing dutiesdone, I would make sure all the
servers are checked out, therestaurant looks good, the uh
there's like like aroundmidnight, there's only one cook
left, and most all the kitchensclean.
We just do hors d'oeuvres orappetizers as you call them, and
he just deep fry everything, andfrom one to two, you serve
simple appetizers and the thebartender and one server.

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You know, you got threeemployees left and me.
And so you just you got twohours to kill because the only
thing is you grab that last cashtill from the bartender and the
one last server, and you you putthat in the system, and then
you're done.
And I've been doing that for ayear and a half, and I remember
one night, uh man, we just westayed at the bar drinking after

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it closed.
Me and the bartender and theserver, and all the customers
were gone, and we just sat thereand drank.
And it was like 2:30, 3 o'clockin the morning.
You know, I said this to mydaughter recently because she's
been coming home late, you know,like 2:30, 3 o'clock.
Anything, if you stay out pastprobably 12:30, 1 o'clock,

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usually you're up to no good.
Yeah, great things don't happenat 3 a.m.
in the morning.
That's right.
You know, unless you're in bedand you roll over because God
spoke to you.
And I remember, you know, we wesat at the bar, we drank for an
hour and a half, then finally wego outside.
Hey, it was time to go home.
And I remember driving home justobliterated.

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I was so drunk.
And I drove home.
And I think back to that moment,you know, when I was 25 years
old, I was so wasted and I goton the road and I drove so
drunk.
And at this time I had aroommate, we his name was Glenn,
and we're still best friendstoday, uh, all these years

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later.
And I pulled up to our duplexthat we lived in, and I remember
got out of my car and fumblingfor my keys.
I was so drunk.
And I remember pulling out mykeys, trying to wedge it into
the door, and I literally stoodthere for about five minutes

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trying to wedge my key into thelock to get it open, and I
couldn't.
I I was just that drunk.
I and I'm like, how God musthave spared my life and other
people around me for me to gethome safely.
And I remember somethinghappened at that very moment,
and I felt like it was aneternity.

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The only way that I can explainit is God put me in a trance.
He took me out of mydrunkenness.
I felt like it was five minutes.
But obviously it was only splitseconds, you know, two to three
seconds.
And I remember I sobered up andI heard this voice.
It was almost like Moses, youknow, one of those Moses

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experiences.
Look at your life, are you happywhere it's going?
That's what I heard.
And I'm standing there lookingat my life, I'm drunk.
Holding my keys, I can't get inthe door.
And I look up at God.

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And then all of a sudden I snapout of it and I'm drunk again.
And eventually I get the uh thethe door to my apartment
unlocked.
And the next day and numerousdays after that, you know, I
life didn't change.
I was still drinking.
Eventually, three or four monthslater, I got another job in the
restaurant, uh, a restaurantnext next door that I wanted to

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work at as a manager, got thatjob.
And it was just the strangestthing.
Whenever I turned on the TV, notevery single time, but more
often than not, over the courseof the next nine months or a
year, actually, John Osteenwould be on the television.
And a lot of the listeners maynot even know who that man is.

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And that's okay.
He was a pastor that was ontelevision.
Just the kindest, sweetest man.
They may know who his son is,Joel Osteen.
But every time I seeminglyturned on the television, he was
on the TV preaching the gospel.
And then you fast forward, I gotan offer about a year later to

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move to Dallas, and um I got ajob uh running a laser tag
company, and I did thatsuccessfully for about a year,
went to a couple differentstores, and then out of the
blue, one day I got fired.
And at this point, I'm back intodrugs, left behind alcohol,
really.
Um, and I remember the one ofthe funny times about six months

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into moving to Dallas, runningthis company back on uh cocaine
and smoking marijuana and doinga couple other things, is my
dad, I moved in with my parentsfor that first um six months or
so, and my car was in thedriveway blocking theirs because
I got home late one night.
My dad asked to borrow my car.
I needed to run an errand.
And I remember under the floor,floor mat was drugs.

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There was a bag of weed and somea bag of coke.
And I'm like, oh my God, don'tlet him find that.
Don't let him find that, youknow.
So anyway, you um you fastforward another six months and I
got fired.
And so I took about a week offand didn't know what I was gonna
do.
And I did know my dad, you know,at that point my dad was

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pastoring a church in Dallasagain.
He had moved his family uh sixyears prior to that from
Chattanooga to Dallas, and somedifferent things changed in his
life, and he became a pastor,started pastoring a church
again.
And I decided to go to church ona Friday night because I I knew
that he was having some revivalservices from you know, a guest

(27:07):
speaker.
And I remember uh it was aFriday night, and I'm going to
church, and I just got firedabout a week ago, and I haven't
served God since I was really mywhole life.
I mean, I mean I think Ibelieved in God, I knew God, I
thought, as a kid.
You didn't have a relationship.

(27:28):
No, I mean I was forced intochurch.
I mean, you didn't have achoice.

SPEAKER_07 (27:30):
What was your at this point in time with the
drinking and the drugs and allthat, what's your relationship
like with your your dad and youryour parents?

SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
Uh there wasn't one.
Truthfully, there wasn't one.

SPEAKER_07 (27:44):
Because you were mad?

SPEAKER_02 (27:46):
Yeah, I was mad at them, how they uh acted towards
me.
My my dad was very angry towardsme.
Uh and I remember in my worststate, I was about 24, 25 years
old.
I was actually working at thisO'Charlie's job.
That's right.
I was 25 years old.
And I mean, I was I was justliving my life.

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And up to that point, you know,my dad always would just get on
to me, get mad at me, and yellat me.
Well, you know, and I just Icould never be honest with him.
Because if I would be honestwith him, he would get mad at
me.
Granted, he was a good dad.
He never beat me.
Um he, you know, got a belt outa lot of times because I

(28:30):
probably deserved it.
But, you know, I had greatparents.
They were they were goodparents.
Are they perfect?
Lord know.
But I remember it was I was 25,I was working at O'Charlie's as
the night manager, and I justcalled him out of the blue.
Hey dad, what's going on?
Hey son, what's up?
I'm just working.
And I just decided to be honestwith him.

(28:51):
Hey, yeah, you know, because heasked me a question.
I'm like, yeah, I mean, I'mdrinking, I'm being promiscuous,
and he got mad at me.
I remember he just got upsetwith me.
Well, you know, bless God, youknow.
Just started going off on me.
And I'm like, okay, all right, Igotta go, Dad.
I love you.
And you know, there's just notmuch of a relationship.

(29:12):
And but when I moved to Texas,the relationship started getting
a little bit better, you know,and it started improving a
little.
Still wasn't even close to beingrepaired.
Uh there just wasn't much of arelationship.

SPEAKER_04 (29:25):
So if you rewind back, like when your brother
first died and you startedgetting born into drugs and
stuff, did you did your familyknow?
Like, do you think that theyknew how bad you were
struggling?

SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
They definitely knew um what my struggles were
mentally um and with uh you knowaddiction.
But I mean they didn't know whatto do.
They just they just would scoldyou, put you in the corner, you
know, take a time out, sort ofspeak.
You know, they didn't know whatto do.
They didn't uh it was new tothem.
Now if you if you fast forwardTo the day, they would have done

(30:02):
something different.
Right.
It's the same thing, me as adad.
You know, me and my oldest son,like I have two biological kids,
my oldest son Chris.
We we don't have the greatestrelationship.
We don't talk that often.
Do I want it?
Did I make mistakes?
Of course I did.
Um, I did some things that Ishouldn't have done in terms of
what I said and how I reacted orresponded.

(30:24):
Uh it's getting better.
It's making an improvement.

SPEAKER_07 (30:27):
So go back to that Friday night you decide to go to
the church.

SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
There's an evangelist preaching.
And for like an hour, hour and ahalf, he's just preaching, just
going on and on and on.
I'm like, after like 90 minutes,finally I'm like, I'm about
ready to walk out of here.
What's up, dude?
Then, you know, because he hetalked about the offering

(30:52):
forever.
I'm like, I why no, dude, why?
And then he starts talking.
He's not really even preachinghis message.
And I'm ready to get up and walkout.
And then all of a sudden, it'skind of like that moment that I
referred to when I was reallydrunk and I had this uh
experience and encounter withGod.

(31:13):
It's for after about 90 minutes,I almost got like arrested by
the Holy Spirit in my seat andsaid, Listen.
It's like, okay.
So for the next hour and a half,this guy started really actually

(31:33):
preaching his message, talkingabout the gospel, talking about
a loving God.
And then it came time afterabout two and a half hours, I
guess, in the service.
Uh if you want to give your lifeover to God, now is the time.
And you know, he does what a lotof preachers do, you know, raise

(31:55):
your hands if you want to acceptChrist or, you know, come down
front, whatever.
And so I remember when he gavethat call to have your life
changed.
I remember I just sat there,like, God, I'm just gonna sit
here.
Because that wasn't popular todo.
Nobody really acknowledged thatback in '97 or '96, wherever it

(32:16):
was.
And I just remember I sat thereand I prayed that prayer, Lord
God, come into my heart.
I accept you, forgive my sins.
And, you know, and that wasabout 45 seconds.
Then I looked up and he finishedthe service.
My dad came up, and I just waslike, I don't know, I felt, I
felt different physically.

(32:37):
I physically felt different.
And I remember, you know, I saidbye to a few people, walked out
the door, I got in my car, mylittle Honda cord that my dad
didn't never knew the drugs werethere.
And I remember I put the key inthe ignition and I turned it on,
and I grabbed that middleconsole and I moved the stick

(32:58):
back to reverse.
That's the way it was back inthe day.
We didn't have a we had notpushed a button.
And that middle, and I hitreverse, and it and all of a
sudden it was like an epiphanyhit me.
I thought, but it was the HolySpirit, and I just stopped.
I'm like, what am I doing?
Oh my gosh.

(33:18):
I got a bag of weed and a couplegrams of cocaine under the floor
mat.
Oh my gosh.
So literally, I put it in park.
I'm in the church parking lot,and I grab the bag of weed out
from under the floor mat and Irun, put it in the church
parking lot trash can.
And then I get in the car and Izoom, zoom home, and I flush the

(33:42):
Coke.
And I'm like, gosh, oh my gosh.
And that was just the power ofthe Holy Spirit.
And then, you know, my dadoffered me a job about a week
later, told him about mytransformation.
I become the outreach directoruh for the church.
And six months later, uh, orexcuse me, eight months later, I

(34:05):
go to Bible college.
And then uh two years after Igraduated from Bible college, I
felt the calling of God to golive in the Philippines.
And I moved to the Philippinesin 1999 and I was there for
three years.
I got married to a Filipinowoman after a year.
Uh my the birth of my first sonwas in Manila, Philippines.

(34:29):
Wild experience.
And so, you know, during thosethree years that I lived in the
Philippines, that's when itstarted some new things that we
were doing.
My dad and the ministry is goingto foreign countries and setting
up and organizing um small tolarge scale conferences for
pastors, leaders, churchworkers, anyone feeling called

(34:52):
to the ministry.
So that was my job at thatpoint.
I found a new lease on life, mydad and I, and our relationship
and my mom, it was gettingbetter.
Obviously, with God, all thingsare possible, you know.
And then my dad, you know,started apologizing for what he
wasn't.
He was too busy focused onsaving the world, but yet he

(35:12):
couldn't save his family.
And, you know, that just reallyimpacted me uh about how he
owned up to it, manned up.
Um, so you know, you fastforward, and I'm I'm a
missionary.
I'm living in the Philippines,and you rewind four um, excuse
me, uh three years, and man, Iwas a full-blown addict.

(35:33):
Now I'm on the mission fieldserving the kingdom of God in
Southeast Asia.
And um, wow, that's all I couldsay.

SPEAKER_07 (35:44):
That's all I could say.
I mean, you you go from smokingdope and snorting coke, and here
you are out, you know, trying tospread the word and to help
others with Christianity.
And at what point in time didyou forgive your dad?
Or have you?

SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
That's a hard question to answer.
Um it was in my 30s, late 30s, Ithink, or early 40s is when I I
forgave him because even thoughour relationship improved, there
were still things there thatwere hard.
Um and it if he fast forward,and I know there's a lot of gaps

(36:33):
in there of you know, like likeI said on the phone yesterday,
about every five or ten years,there's always a significant
event in my life that catapultedme into the next phase of life.
Uh, and if we go back to 2012,my marriage was just on the
rocks.
My wife, she didn't love me.

(36:55):
She, you know, she said itnumerous times during our 12
years of marriage.
She said, I don't love you.
I wish I had never married you.
I regret marrying you.
I regret marrying out of myculture.
Numerous, numerous, numerous, atleast 20 times that those words
came out of her mouth during our12 years of marriage.

(37:15):
And I mean, I was broken at thatpoint.
Obviously, we can we can go backand touch base on some things,
but I'm getting to a major pointin this whole thing about the
relationship with my my dad, isI remember when I was going
through hell in 2011 to 2012 inthat phase where my wife said, I
don't finally got to the pointwhere she says, I I want a

(37:37):
divorce.
And we were just roommates,basically.
And I remember I was justdevastated.
You know, we moved out from fromfrom Texas to Washington State
and Seattle to fulfill a dreamthat was on the inside of both
of us, and just somethingsnapped in her mentally.
Uh, can't explain it.
That's that's a whole differentstory for a different day.

(37:57):
But my dad just he knew what Iwas going through emotionally,
and it was just hard.
The psychiatric issues with mywife, me working uh 45 hours a
week as a manager at Starbucks.
I'm in college, I go back tocollege, um, you know, taking

(38:18):
three classes, and I'm just andI'm trying to be there for my
kids who are four and nine atthe time, and I'm like, I I'm
just surviving, you know, I'mjust surviving.
And I just remember my dad andmy dad showed up, he flew there
numerous times.
He flew there just to be therefor me.

(38:40):
He he showed up, man.
When I needed him.
And uh that's when thingschange, but you know, um I'm
getting all emotional thinkingabout it.

SPEAKER_06 (38:59):
It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 (39:00):
But uh he showed up when I needed him the most.
Uh we would call and talk forhours, you know, when he wasn't
there.
Uh he he just he was there, hewas present.

SPEAKER_07 (39:11):
You felt that love that you didn't feel as a kid.

SPEAKER_02 (39:15):
No, he he was there, he was present when I needed him
the most in my life.
And I was a I'm a grown man.
I was I was 40-something yearsold.
You know, there's there's worsethings in life that you you
experience and go through, butman, in the most critical,
pivotable moment of my life, hewas there.

SPEAKER_07 (39:35):
Because he knew you probably could have gone back
the other direction.

SPEAKER_02 (39:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (39:41):
Self-medicating, getting back into that addictive
personality.
But he knew it was time for himto step up as a father to be
there for his son who needed himin the most desperate time.

SPEAKER_02 (39:53):
And he did.
If you're listening to this dad,um I'm I'm grateful for you.
Even though I wasn't thegreatest son, I know I made
mistakes, but that's when um Ihad a new love and a new respect
for my dad.

SPEAKER_07 (40:10):
That's amazing.
Thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_02 (40:13):
You're welcome.
I've never shared that publicly.

SPEAKER_07 (40:17):
It's pretty powerful because there's a lot of people
out there who have had similarsituations in their lives with
their their parents' father, andum maybe they're maybe their
relationship's not healed.
You know, and all I kept hearingthe whole time you're talking is
ask him if he's forgiven hisfather.
Pretty powerful.

(40:39):
So your your dad steps in at apivotal time, he helps you get
through you know, one of themost difficult times in your
life.
How do you get through that?

SPEAKER_02 (40:50):
Only by the grace of God.
It really it's only by the graceof God.
And you just have to lean intoGod, lean into your friends,
lean into your family.
And if what if you and I knowpeople might be asking, well,
what if you don't have thatfamily to lean into?

(41:11):
Well, you lean into God whenwe're lonely, when we're
desperate, those are the timeswhen we don't have somebody to
turn to, and I know there'speople listening right now that
they feel like they don't haveanybody to trust, well then
trust God.
And uh be on social media thethe way that I am, so you know,

(41:34):
on occasions I will make a post,whether it's a static post or a
video post.
I just feel compelled by theHoly Spirit sometimes to do
those and I'll put them onthere.
And if it almost fails, almostalways there's always somebody
who speaks up and says thatthere isn't a God.
And what about all thosestarving kids that are in

(41:56):
Southeast Asia, Africa, that arestarving, they die of
starvation.
Well, where is God?
And then they talk aboutdisasters or circumstantial
situations that happen.
Well, where is God in that?
Well, half the time I don'trespond to those people, but
half the time I do.

(42:16):
And I always lean in with whatAdam and Eve did.
You know, God gave them a willto make their own choice.
Whether it's good or bad, wemake decisions and do things
that affect people, good or bad.

(42:36):
Now, what about hurricanes?
I'm not God.
What about floods?
Well, I'm not God.
Those are things that we don'tknow that we don't understand.
I I I can't explain it.
But what I do know is whetherphenomena are a real thing,

(42:59):
whether people survive them orthey don't survive them.
But in and all and through it,there still is a God.
Because you can't, if you goback to creation, science cannot
dispute.
It's kind of like theundisputable champion in this

(43:20):
corner.
You know, when it's a fight,it's like the undisputable
evidence always points back tocreation because they can't
dispute what God did.
He created man, he created thetree, he created humans, he
created animals.
When you go back to the DNAanalysis, it's in undisputable

(43:42):
who created what we are.
Now, we know that the walls inthis building are created by
man, and the technology thatwe're talking on was created by
man.
But uh, you know, that's whereyou have to lean into the
creator, as hard as it may be,and as difficult as it may be,
man, he will be there for you.

(44:03):
And if you ask God, he'll bringyou somebody.
And and I just want to give abig shout and a glory to God.
And I feel so, I tell my wifethis all the time that I just
feel incredible.
You take away all the successthat I've God's enabled me to

(44:26):
have.
Uh traveling to all thecountries that I've been able to
travel to, uh, you know,millions of followers on social
media, um, working from home,having really five good kids.
I got five good kids.
Are they all where I want themto be?
No.
But I just I go back to wow, Iam so thankful and full of

(44:51):
gratitude because I just fullytrusted God.
When when life was hard, I justtrusted God.

SPEAKER_07 (45:04):
It's an important message that I think a lot of
people need to hear.
So you come out of that time.
Gotta pick yourself up, gottahave a little faith, have a lot
of faith.
What's next?

SPEAKER_02 (45:19):
Well, I I moved to Dallas, and it's it's strange.
It's like as a grown man in my40s, I moved back in with my
parents for a little shortseason because I I'm a single
dad.
And my mom and dad stepped upand helped when I needed to go
work.
Um, and they they they steppedup.

(45:42):
They really did for I guessabout a year and a half,
two-year window that helped, youknow, and I got an apartment
near them and they would helpwith, you know, Chris and
Caitlin, my kids, when I neededthem, when I was working.
Um, and then, you know, I'mstill broken, I guess you could
say, from divorced.
Uh it it can't it breaks you ina way that you you can't really

(46:04):
explain.
And I I made a decision thatwhen I got married, I'm not
getting divorced.
Because at that point, when Igot married in 2000, my parents
had already been married for 30something years.
And I'm like, you know, I'm I'veI got a great example to follow.
I'm I'm not gonna get divorced.

(46:25):
Well, I got divorced, you know.
Um, and so you know, you fastforward to say 2014, I'm two
years into my divorce, uh,single dad working at Starbucks,
and I'm going to church, but I'mnot really engaged.
Uh I don't have much of arelationship.

(46:45):
I got a relationship, but notthe way that it was.
Uh I'm, you know, I'm notdrinking um or doing drugs or
anything like that.
I'm just working.
Just working.
And I'm still hurting inside,just bruised from what I went
through.
Divorce is hard.
I don't care.
You know, my wife and I had thisconversation several years ago.

(47:07):
You know, when your spouse dies,that's tragic.
It really is.
Um, but when you go through adivorce, that that reminder's
there constantly.
It's like a pain that just won'tgo away.
Like my two kids have a mom in aforeign country that is still
there.
But yet mentally she she can'tand physically can't be a mom.

(47:32):
And that pain is there, it'sconstant, you know.
Um, so you know, 2014, I'm I'min pain, still recovering from
just it's hard.
Divorce is hard because my twokids are affected.
I was affected.
I loved her.
And all those years, 12 yearsthat we went through, that she
would rehearse those things.

(47:52):
I I don't love you, I regretmarrying you, you know, yada
yada.
And it affects you.
And then reality is, you know,we get divorced, it hurts even
more.
So you fast forward to 2014, andmy dad asked me to go on a trip
with him to uh Moldova, which isEastern Europe.
I wasn't gonna organize it oranything like that, like what I
did in the past and all thecountries and places that I've

(48:13):
been around the world andhonored, and and I'll get to
that in a minute.
Um, but I go to Moldova and I'mjust there, I'm just there.
That's all I'm doing.
I'm all I'm on a trip.
And you know, they're my dad andhis friend, they're preaching
for three days, uh, leadershipthings, and uh, I don't know, a
few hundred people there in aforeign country where they speak

(48:35):
Russian.
Um, so I'm engaged kind of.
I'm there, I'm present.
And one day after it was over,me and one of the his pastor
friend that was with him, we andand another guy that was with
him, we walked back to thehotel, and my mom and dad go
somewhere else uh with theorganizer.

(48:57):
And on the way back, we startedtalking, and then something came
up about the subject of selfiesbecause that's when selfies
started getting popular back in2014, 11 years ago, if you're
wondering that 11 years ago.
And I I I pulled open my phoneon Facebook, and somebody had
done a selfie like that, andthen we get to the hotel and I

(49:19):
started talking with thisgentleman, my dad's friend.
Um, like, look, you know, here'sthe person.
They took a selfie of her andher kids, and then I realized,
wait, isn't she a part of yourchurch?
And he goes, Yes, she's a partof our church.
And he goes, That's aninteresting story, too.

(49:40):
So he starts telling me thestory of now my wife, how she
lost her husband in a tragic caraccident, and she's left as a
single mom with three kids, andhow she moved forward in her
pain, in her grief.
Uh, it was hard.
Now, there's a lot of things Icould tell you that uh how hard

(50:02):
that is and what she wentthrough, and a lot of moms or
dads who lost their spouse ofhow hard that is due to an
accident or a cancer or anillness.
And she persevered, man.
She just went to work.
She started cleaning houses, uh,being faithful, telling God what
she needed, and they got a jobat a sorority house as a cook,
you know, uh, and that was agood job.

(50:23):
That was, you know, you worknine months and you're off for
three.
Then uh then in 2014, she adoctor trusted her to run an
event center.
And so she's like three monthsinto this event center and
building it from the ground up,basically.
And then that's when I go to uhMoldova and I started talking to

(50:47):
this gentleman, and we he toldme about her.
And so I'm like, okay, well,what about her?
So he starts telling me thestory of what I just told you
briefly, and I'm like, oh.
Because you know, you've movedback to Moldova and I'm holding
my phone of a selfie and I'mlooking at that picture, and I'm
like, oh, so that means she'ssingle.

(51:11):
As you know, and so I startedliking her photos all of a
sudden out of nowhere, and menot knowing she's back in
America.
I'm like, why is Tim Clowersliking my photos?
Uh so the conversation justcontinues to grow, and then the
next day, the next day he bringsher up, and then I bring her up.

(51:32):
And I'm like, oh wow.
So about a week later, I madecontact with her.
Um, so you fast forward, uh, itjust it was a God thing, and we
got married.
So that was in June, and we gotmarried in January.
That was fast.

SPEAKER_06 (51:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
And uh I and that's when I moved to Knoxville, and
that's when a whole differentjourney in my life started.
Um, but but you know, the I Iguess I go back to the
Philippines when I was amissionary, traveling to the

(52:10):
Philippines, not only thePhilippines, but I would travel
to Papua New Guinea, Australia,uh, Eastern Europe, Africa,
setting up all theseconferences, uh, you know, under
the leadership of my dad.
And, you know, they partneredwith Joyce Meyer Ministries.
And I I traveled all over theworld, man.
I did.
I was I was so thankful becausethat was a that was a beautiful

(52:31):
part of my life, but yet a hardpart of my life.
And I remember it was in 2008.
My daughter was about to beborn, excuse me, 2006.
My daughter was about to beborn, and I had a conversation
with my dad, and I had aconversation with the Lord
because I'd moved back home fromthe Philippines, yet I was still

(52:53):
traveling abroad a lot, uh,setting up these conferences.
And I, you know, every monthfrom 1999 till 2008, I was every
month I was in a foreigncountry.
Uh so you know, if you add itall up, I've been to like 66
countries around the world.
Had a blast.
It's been a blessing, but yeah,it's a lot of hard work

(53:14):
traveling.
And in 2006, my daughter's aboutto be born, and I had a
conversation with my dad.
I said, like, dad, look, I'vebeen gone a lot.
And Chris is four and a halfyears old.
I can't be gone much more.
Because I'm I'm finding myselfin the same situation of what he

(53:35):
was.
And I said, I can't do this muchmore.
So my daughter is born, and by2008, I'm not traveling anymore.
I'm present with my kids.
And I I just I can't tell youhow important that is of the
lesson that I learned.

(53:56):
And how my eventually you fastforward to 2014.
When I made that statement in2006, I said, I need to come off
the road.
And then in 2014, I go throughhell in my marriage, and he's
there for me.
But yet I'm there for my kids in2006 when my daughter's born.
I I I made that stance.
I need to be there for my kids.

(54:18):
And I did, I was there for him.

SPEAKER_07 (54:20):
Because you knew what you how you had felt
towards your father, and you sawyourself going down that same
road.

SPEAKER_02 (54:26):
Same road.
I'm saving the world, you know.
I'm I'm I'm doing what God toldme to do, and things like that.
But yet I think the wisdom ofGod spoke up in and through me
so that I don't go through thesame thing and my kids kids
experience the same thing that Iwent through.

SPEAKER_06 (54:43):
Yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 (54:45):
So you end up getting married to your wife.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:49):
Moved to Knoxville, Tennessee.
Yeah.
Woo! Back home.

SPEAKER_07 (54:52):
Talk talk about what that's like because now it's a
completely different world.

SPEAKER_02 (54:56):
It is.
So I'm we moved uh me and my twokids, we moved to Knoxville,
Tennessee in 2014, uh, aroundChristmas, right before
Christmas.
And then a month later, we getmarried in Knoxville to uh to my
wife.
And I will say this blendedfamilies are not for the faint

(55:17):
of heart.
You know, we've been marriedcoming January will be 11 years,
and our kids go from 19 to 29.
Two girls, three boys.
And it's all kinds of hard, man.
That's all I can tell you if youif you're a blended family.

(55:37):
But despite how hard it's been,it's also been rewarding to see
how God has used me and how Godhas used her in the development
of our children.
Granted, they're all adults,they're all grown, uh, you know,
but the four, the four youngestwere still under the roof when I

(56:02):
came into the picture.
Uh my two kids and her two boys,because our daughter just got
into college when we gotmarried.
And so I didn't really know heroldest daughter.
Uh, and then you fast forward umjust recently, I'll tell you
about that in a moment, but ofwhat my daughter went through,
our oldest daughter wentthrough.
Uh, but you know, my son, mydaughter, her two boys, they

(56:27):
were both without.
You know, my kids didn't have amom.
Her two, her three kids didn'thave a dad.
And I I knew that blendedfamilies were hard going into
this.
We both knew that.
And I always told myself,internally, I was like, okay,
I'm not gonna try to replacetheir dad or be their dad.

(56:48):
I'm just gonna be present forthem.
And I feel like I did, I've donethat in the last 11, almost uh
in just a few weeks, it'll be 11years.
I've been in her family, herboy's life.
And I've never tried, their nameis Reese and Luke.
I've never tried to be theirdad.
I've just tried to be presentwhen their dead father couldn't

(57:09):
be there.
Uh be there for, you know,obviously kids, you know, they
need money.
They break stuff, they do stuff,and well, who's there?
It's it's usually me or or youknow, obviously us, not I won't
say me.
Um, and it's the same thing withmy kids.
Uh, like our my my daughter,who's 19 now, when we go out in

(57:31):
public sometimes, or people thatknow us, they'll say, Well, who
does Caitlin belong to, you oryou?
Because she's half Filipino, andthey're thinking, okay, well,
some of that she's adopted, orshe's been in somebody's uh a
previous relationship or aprevious marriage, because they
don't know.

(57:52):
Because the reason they say thatis because my wife and my
youngest daughter, our youngestdaughter, they get along so
great.
And they have an incrediblerelationship.
And some regards I'm kind ofjealous.
Like, man, you're closer to herthan you are to me.
But I mean, I'm her dad.
I'm not, I'm not, it's it'sreally no jealousy.

(58:13):
Um, and so, you know, I've justI've been present for the for
the boys and for their and forDarby, who's the oldest.
And, you know, she recently,about a little over a year, year
and three or four months ago,she went through some trauma in
her marriage, and she had toseparate.
And so she moved back toKnoxville from where she was.

(58:35):
Um, I'm not going to get intothe details to spare her of
privacy, but she went throughsome trauma in her life in her
marriage.
And so she basically moved homewith us for eight months.
And I got to know her better,and she got to know me, and I
got to be there for her.
Um, and not, I mean, I wasn'tperfect, um, still not perfect.

(58:59):
I still make mistakes, but I gotto know her.
She got to know me a little bitmore up close because she'd
never lived with me.
Um, and I just tried to be Jesusas much as possible.
Um, and I'm I'm very thankfulfor that.
Yeah.
So all the blended families outthere, man, just show up.
Even though if the kids, Iremember, uh, and this is not

(59:21):
private, uh, I'll I'll I'llhappily say this openly.
Um, because my wife did a lot ofthe Christmas shopping, you
know, from the time we gotmarried up until now, she still
does all the Christmas shopping,most of it.
You know, I'll buy a few thingshere and there.
Uh dad will show up, you know.
And, you know, we on ChristmasDay, there's all the presents,

(59:42):
and all the kids are there.
Um uh a few of them, one of themhad a spouse, one of them had a
girlfriend, you know.
But you you you take that timein 2015 all the way up until uh
say 2020, every Christmas, youknow, the kids would open their
presents.
Um And they would always theywould open up their presence.

(01:00:03):
They would look at her, thanks,Mom.
Thanks, Mom.
And I'm sitting there.
I don't even get acknowledged.
Yet I've been present.
And the boys and in you knowDarby, her life.
I've been present.
Like, well, you know, half thatmoney for me.
You know, I'm like, I okayed it,or it's my money too.

(01:00:26):
I maybe, or maybe I wrapped it,or maybe she bought it, but I'm
like, I'm not chopped liver overhere.
You know, for five years, thathurt my feelings, you know, as a
as a stepdad.
That really hurt.
And but I I told the Lord, I'mlike, I love him regardless.
I love him regardless.
And and then you fast forward tosometime in 2022.

(01:00:50):
I was somewhere with Luke.
Uh that's Jackie's oldest son orthe youngest son, and the one
one of the middle boys, and wewere out somewhere, and he
introduced me to somebody he waswith.
And he goes, This is my dad.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:13):
I can't tell you the emotion that went through me at
that moment.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:20):
You know, you fast forward, I guess it was six,
seven years later, after I gotmarried to his mom, and all
those years of him not evensaying thank you during all
those Christmases.
I didn't even get acknowledged.
It's always thanks, mom.
Thanks, mom, this is so awesome.
But I bit my tongue.
I allowed myself to not get myfeelings hurt, but he introduced

(01:01:40):
me as his dad.
Man, that was that was almostlike the birth of a child.
You know, this is my stepson,and he references me as his he
introduces me as his dad.
Wow.
Those are those are things youcan't buy.

(01:02:02):
You can't fabricate thosethings.
And how that makes you feel inthat very moment, you're like,
wow, God.
I thank you.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:13):
Have you told him about that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:15):
No, I haven't actually.
Because it happened a coupleother times since then.
Um there's it let me just kindof give you a a brief scenario
of our listeners, because Idon't want them to be confused.

(01:02:37):
Um because I my wife tells me alot of times, you know, your
brain, how it works, it's kindof like herding squirrels.
And you're probably thinking thesame thing in this interview.
Man, he's going back and forthand here and there.
And it's true.
I I'm my personality and the waymy brain works is I'm a very

(01:02:58):
much a people person.
I love to be with people.
My wife is an introvert, I'm anextrovert.
I love to be with people andlove to hang out with them.
But yet my brain bounces aroundbecause I'm a very creative
person.
Um, it for me to sit in anoffice, that would be cruelty.

(01:03:18):
It's like, why would you make mesit in an office, you know,
eight to nine hours a day, I geta lunch break.
That would just be that wouldjust be cruelty.
You can't do that to me.
And so the way my brain works,I'm very creative, I'm very
visual, I'm very expressive.
And I'm sure you've gatheredthat by now.
I'm like, he's kind of all overthe map.
It's true.
It I'm I'm it's very much likeherding squirrels.

(01:03:41):
And so for the listeners, youknow, I just want to give them a
brief synopsis to um help themunderstand a little bit of who
and the why.
Could I take five minutes forthat?

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:52):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:52):
So we talked about my childhood for a lot and what
impacted me.
It was the death of my brother,and then a very strained
relationship with my dad thatdrove me into addiction from
2014 all the up until the time Iwas 27 years old.
So you've got that window oftime, and then during that 14 to
27, not really knowing who Iwas, you know, got into

(01:04:16):
addiction.
At 18 or 16, I got into therestaurant business, and I was
in the restaurant business upuntil 27.
And then obviously, uh, youknow, addict, a little bit of an
not really an alcoholic.
I just that was a season, I justdrank a lot.
And, you know, 27, um, have thatencounter with God.
John Osteen starts appearing onthe television all the time.

(01:04:38):
And then, you know, when I wasum 27, I moved to Texas, and I
find Christ um in '97, um, myspiritual birth.
Uh uh been clean ever sincethen.
No, no drug has come in contactwith my system since then.
Uh not not even nothing.

(01:05:01):
Obviously, you you see it, yousmell it, but it it doesn't
affect me at all.
Uh and I see it and I pray forpeople.
So in 20, you know, 1997, I getsaved, and uh eight months later
I go to Bible college, I go toBible college, and just
incredible experience.
And in the middle of Biblecollege, about three months into

(01:05:24):
Bible college, uh, I wasrollerblading because I took up
rollerblading and I'm in my late20s and rollerblading on the
side of the road where in Texasthey have big medians, you know,
big lanes.
And I've I found myself at duskrollerblading.
I was at my girlfriend'sapartment, you know, waiting on
her, and so I decided to gorollerblading, and I get hit by

(01:05:44):
a car.

unknown (01:05:45):
Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:46):
I'm in the like it's a turning lane, but it's a full
lane, but is dusk-ish, butthere's this, I guess older
Chinese man hits me.
Uh I vaguely remember some ofit.
You know, I ended up laying onmy head, hits the curb, and I
bounced up over the car, I breakthe windshield, and I I'm
unconscious for three days.

(01:06:08):
Me not knowing it, but uh, youknow, my dad's pastor, my mom, a
few lots of people from thechurch, people from his church,
my dad's pastor, they're allcoming to visit me, and I don't
even know anything about it.
My dad's in Canada at a seriesof meetings, he flies home, gets

(01:06:29):
there just as I'm waking up fromthe coma that I'm in, or being
unconscious.
But one thing they told me whenI was unconscious for those
three days, I was speaking theword.
I would say, no weapon formedagainst me will prosper.
I am healed by the name ofJesus.

(01:06:50):
I was speaking the Bible.
I was speaking, I was quotingscripture.
I was telling people what Godwas doing in my life.
And I'm unconscious.
I have no idea.
And my mom this day tells me andher pastor, it was a phenomenon.
And even people from the churchwould come to visit.
I'm unconscious.
But see, here's what happened.
I got enrolled in a Biblecollege.

(01:07:11):
It was in um uh, I guessSeptember 2nd, third, fourth, or
something like that.
And the word of God was beingtaught to me four and a half
hours a day, five days a week.
And I'd never had that in myentire life.
Yeah, I got saved.
I was in church for, you know,I'm a Christian for six months
at that point, but the word isjust going in daily, daily, uh,

(01:07:36):
just different topics.
And so, you know, I woke up andthey tell me all these stories,
and I'm like, wow, that's wild,you know, to find out you're
you're actually talking andquoting scripture and being full
of faith and talking andspeaking in tongues.
I'm like, oh, okay, cool.
God, thank you.
So, you know, I I graduate Biblecollege.

(01:07:57):
After the first year, I get togo to Israel.
That was incredible.
Oh my gosh, if if you ever get achance to go to Israel, it's
it's wow.
It's you get to find yourspiritual heritage.
Um, it was very profound.
They the the common joke backwhen we went to Israel with the

(01:08:19):
group of uh 28 of us, theycalled me Shekel Boy.
I was, I think I was around 29or 30 when we met because that's
what they use.
Their currency is calledshekels, Israeli shekels.
And so there's a there's a jokebehind that, but I won't get
into it.
But you know, uh went to Biblecollege, and then the second
year of Bible college, you havean option to go to Africa.

(01:08:42):
So we got a uh, you know, youraise the money, it was like
$2,500.
I felt like that was a milliondollars that I was able to
raise, you know, with God'shelp.
And so you go to Kenya.
Um, they are the the Bibleschool, it was something they
did for the second yearstudents, they always take a
trip to Kenya.
So I go to Kenya.
Um, the the host and the thefounder, you know, they're

(01:09:04):
speaking at a conference for twodays in Nairobi.
We do lots of outreaches.
Then we go to Western Kenya andspend a 13 days in rural areas,
uh, going to churches, going toschools.
And this was in '99.
I remember going to one school,um, and it was all, you know,

(01:09:25):
African kids.
And it just so happened who Iwas paired up with.
We went on outreaches every daywas this black lady.
Uh, I think her name was Devon.
And so me and her were pairedup.
We always went somewhere to getwith our host, obviously, our
translator.
We went to schools, uh,hospitals, churches.
We all were paired together.

(01:09:46):
We all 13 days.
It was her.
She and I.
And I remember we walked up toour first school, and you got
this.
We're in this field, crossingthis field, walking up to this
school, and there's this herd ofkids, like probably a hundred,
running towards us.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
So they approach me and theystart clawing at my arms.

(01:10:10):
I'm like, why are you not goingover to her?
And then it just dawns on me.
They've never seen a Caucasianperson.
And, you know, but anyway,there's lots of stories to tell
about that.
But that that impacted me.
And um, to see that for thefirst time, I got to go into a
village where they've never seena Caucasian person.

(01:10:30):
And then a couple days later, Igot to go to a hospital, me and
Yvonne, and we got to pray forpeople.
Um, and and there was this onelady who was literally dying on
her deathbed.
And when I say hospital, it wasmore like a clinic where you get
to go die.
Nothing like what we have here.
I mean, I mean, you can pictureit potentially.

(01:10:52):
So we go in there, and I justremember full of faith, and I
just prayed for this lady in thename of Jesus.
I just prayed that God's powertouches.
I don't remember what I prayed,but we go back the next day, the
same hot, same little clinic.
And what happened to this lady?
Where has she gone?
Oh, she got better and she left.
Like, wow.

(01:11:13):
So uh it was about seven daysin.
I had this uh where we werestaying, it was a it was four
walls and a roof and a concretefloor where we stayed.
You know, there's no heat, noair condition, no bathrooms, no
shower.
Uh go figure, right?
But you you figured out how tostay clean and use the bathroom.

(01:11:34):
So I had this little ritual.
I know people are gonna thinkthis is absolutely gross, but I
had a little ritual.
Uh in the mornings, I would go,I would walk up uh about 400
feet to where it was elevated,and it overlooked Lake Victoria,
which is the second largestfreshwater lake in the world.
Stunning view.

(01:11:54):
It's a little briar patch whereI would go do my business,
right?
And I would just talk to God,and I would be gone about 15
minutes, and I would just do mybusiness because I didn't like
to go where everybody else wasdoing their business because it
was just it was a little holeand you had to squy.
So I'm like, well, it's goingback to nature, it's the way I

(01:12:15):
looked at it, you know.
Um, so in 99, I'm doing mybusiness, I'm talking to God,
and then I'm just standingthere, looking out at the lake,
and I'm like, God, people gothealed.
I got to preach the gospel.
You brought me to Africa.
And then the presence of Godjust comes all over me.

(01:12:37):
And I hear this voice.
And it was like God in a cloud,kind of like Simba.
It's like, Simba, I'm yourfather.
I mean, you know that thatmoment in that movie, it's just
profound and how impactful itis.
Well, that's the way I feltbecause I already saw the Lion

(01:12:59):
King at that point in my life,you know.
And it was my it was my Simbaand Mufasa moment where God
spoke to me and He said, Son,I'm sending you to Southeast
Asia.
And I turned around and I'mlike, Did somebody say that?
I literally had, I, I felt thatas if somebody said that to me.

(01:13:24):
And so I did.
I I I remember I I went, I gothome and I was on a mission.
Uh I got to take a preliminarytrip to see where I'm gonna live
and what I need to do.
Um, and I, you know, I've justkind of set this figure.
I'm like, hey, I need to raise$14,000.
And God supernaturally provided.
That's a whole different storyof how God moved and did things

(01:13:46):
because I didn't want to go tothe Philippines and be some poor
missionary and beg for money.
I just I just didn't want to actlike that.
I said, I want all up front Godfor me to live for a whole year.
Then I'll campaign for the othertwo or three.
And I did got God provided allmy my rent and everything
because my dad, he didn't payme.
I didn't um he gave me a littlebit of a um of income for uh a

(01:14:11):
few things, but it was I waslike, I'm going on my faith, not
yours.
I don't want you to pay me.
And so I I was a missionary forthree years in the Philippines,
but I also still uh fulfilledwhat his dreams and desires
were.
I uh and that's to set upinternational conferences all
over the world.
I never stopped doing that inthe midst of what God wanted me

(01:14:36):
to do.
He wanted me to go to remoteplaces in the Philippines, and I
did.
Uh lots of cool uh stories totell.
How I got to go to a tribalchief, uh, offered iguana for
the first time and turned itdown, and I regret that.
I'm sorry.
Um and so I, you know, I'msetting up all these
conferences, I'm traveling,doing personal missions that in

(01:14:57):
remote places.
I mean, I got stories for hoursthat we could sit here and talk
about of going to little tribalvillages, uh, still to this day
that are very profound.
And uh, and I even did a crusadeone time uh that affected me.
We're in this little little towncalled Dingalen Bay.

(01:15:18):
I'm like, what the heck isDingalin Bay?
Well, it's off the coast of thePhilippines, about six hours
northeast of Manila, and I had asmall team of about four people.
We go to Dingalen Bay.
We, you know, I sent a guy inthere to put some posters up and
just say, hey, you know,Reverend Tim Clowers is gonna
come and do a healing crusadefor for one night.

(01:15:41):
And so we had this little soundsystem.
We uh we brought it with us.
It wasn't a whole lot.
Two speakers, a little board,and a microphone, and we had
some music with guitars and alittle kick drum, and we had
that.
And so I get up to preach, andyou know, it's a little sea
town, you know, they they fishfor a living and they make

(01:16:02):
things.
There's not really enterprisethere.
And at night, you know, the thenightlife would come alive.
You know, I think there mighthave been a couple thousand
people in this town, if thatmuch.
And so the the nightlife comesalive.
And so you've got bars, music.

(01:16:22):
And what I did not know, but Iknew now is like this the
speakers kept cutting in andout.
The power would come and go, alittle bit of lights we had
would come and go.
It's because back in town, well,we we were in town, but just you
know, a few streets over,everybody was pulling on power
to run their systems for karaokeand for music.

(01:16:43):
And I didn't know that at thetime, but I obviously I knew at
the end of the server, well,Pastor Dim, this is what is
going on, you know, the littlevoices.
And I remember, you know, Ipreached my heart out for an
hour and a half, and I did analtar call, and then then I
start praying for people to gethealed.
And this, what I felt like itwas an old man, but you know, at

(01:17:03):
the time I'm probably you knowin my 30s thinking this guy's
old.
But he probably wasn't that old,it's just in my mind.
And he came up with this massivegrowth on his neck, and he goes,
Well, do you want to accept theLord?
He goes, Well, if God will healthis, then I'll accept your

(01:17:24):
Lord.
Okay, so I started praying forhim.
And I just like God, I just Ilaid my hands on that big
goiter, whatever growth,whatever they called it on his
neck, and I just prayed and Ilike God, and I just I just
would not leave that placestanding right there with him
until God healed that man.

(01:17:44):
And over a course of about 15minutes, that thing shrank.
And you're thinking, no, itdidn't.
It did.
So it was almost gone.
There was still a small lumpthere on his neck.
There was.
Um, but it was huge.
I mean, it was the size of adaggum orange.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:02):
How did he react?

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:04):
Well, he uh after we got done praying, he reached
over and felt it, and it waslike the size of a large grape.
And you know, we were workingthrough a translator, he goes,
let's let's say that prayer.
And so that man accept Christ.
Man, that was uh one of thepowerful moments.
And so, you know, for threeyears I was there.

(01:18:25):
I still traveled to othercountries and set up conferences
and crusades, and I got to uh Itravel a lot throughout the
Philippines and differentcountries, and in 2002, um Joyce
Meyer wanted to come.

(01:18:46):
And you know, we obviously thatgives us a big budget to set up
a big blow-up meeting, and youknow, as I told you yesterday on
the phone, we got to go to theinternet at the Coliseum.
It's for smoking Joe Frazier andMuhammad Ali, got to fight for
the thriller in Manila.
It was the same building, and mydad had that same dream.

(01:19:06):
You know, we put billboards allover town and we did radio, we
did television promotion, and Idid it big, man.
And we filled that place up, youknow, 12,013,000, 14,000 people,
however many it was.
And so that day one, you know,my dad preached and his friend
preached, and then Joyce Meyerpreached and uh taught
leadership, of course, becauseit was a you know all day long

(01:19:28):
seminar with obviously with longbreaks.
And then um two days prior tothat event, my son was born.
Uh sorry, this was 2001, not2002.
Uh 2001, my son was born, youknow, and then two days later,
this is when the conferencestarted.
I go to bed.
We're we're actually staying ina hotel because, you know, my

(01:19:50):
where I lived, even thoughdistance-wise, it wasn't very
far, but travel-wise, it was along, just because, you know, 16
million people in a metropolitancity, it was hard to get
somewhere.
And I'm staying in a hotelbecause it's close right next to
the Coliseum.
And at 4:30, I get a call.

(01:20:12):
And it was we guy we calledPastor Faith.
So he got me.
He goes, Pastor Tim wokes me upat 4 30.
I'm like, what?
I'm sleeping.
I hadn't slept much because myson's over here, you know, a
newborn, two days old, andwe're, you know, dealing with
that.
So you gotta come.
You gotta come.
There's been an accident.

(01:20:32):
Like, what?
There's been a fire, Pastor Tim,you gotta come.
So I didn't know what to expect.
So I get in a taxi and I getthere, and he goes, Pastor Tim,
don't get out.
Don't get out.
There's been a fire here at theManor Hotel.
So he goes on to explain to methat there was a fire that

(01:20:53):
occurred.
Like, and so what so let mequantify and explain what what
the Lord enabled uh my dad'sministry to do is with the help
of Joyce Meyer and otherpartners, is whenever we put on
these conferences, they wereleadership conferences, not just
a chance to preach, but to teachbiblical principles of how to be

(01:21:14):
a better pastor, better leader,um, as well as you know, good
teaching that they you wouldnever get, and also give them
materials and resources to helpthem.
So we would either print incountry or we would ship it in
and we would feed them threemeals a day.
And for the people that lived inremote places, we would actually

(01:21:35):
bust them in and we wouldaccommodate them.
And considering this is one ofour bigger ones, so we uh that
we've ever done, you know, thatbig of a crowd.
So we set a budget we couldhouse at least uh a thousand
people.
So we split, I think it was 16different hotels, and we put

(01:21:55):
people up a thousand, it was notquite a thousand, it was like
nine.
No, it was twelve hundred peoplethat we put up in hotels and
sixteen different hotels.
But the one hotel out of those16 different hotels had a fire
at night.
And the sad truth is thatparticular hotel, um, the owner

(01:22:16):
paid off the fire um fire chiefto let her pass on her
inspection.
There were bars on the windows,so there was a fire, something
happened, and 88 people nowthere were more people that
died, I think it was 112, but 88people who were attending our

(01:22:41):
conference were in that hotel,and they lost their lives that
night.
And that was that was wow.
Because it wasn't my fault, butyet you fast forward days into
this thing, the media is tellingus it's our fault.

(01:23:01):
You know, Don Clauers Ministriesand the representative who lives
here, theme clawers, is how theysaid it, you know, on their TV
show.
They were all blaming us.
Then there was an investigation,and obviously it wasn't our
fault.
And it obviously goes back tothe mayor of the city.
Uh he finagled his way out ofthat situation, but ultimately

(01:23:25):
the owner of the hotel was foundliable.
And so she had to pay somerestitution or something like
that.
And so I was never angry at her,I was never upset with her
because if, you know,eventually, you know, my dad
left, Joyce Meyer left,everybody left like on day two,
so we didn't even really finishthe conference uh fully.
Uh, but they did do two fulldays, partially on the last day.

(01:23:49):
And I just remember for probablythree months, everywhere I went,
there was a news media personchasing me down wherever I went.
Pastor Mr.
Tim Clowers, what about this?
What about this?
And I didn't know what to do.
I was at a loss.
I'm like, there's 88 people'slives that were affected, and so

(01:24:11):
we did not know what to do.
I was I was just praying, askingGod, Lord, 88 people died
because they came to our event.
And so I got to talking with mydad, and I was just praying.
I'm like, how can we help?
You know, and then we talked tosome lawyers just to make sure

(01:24:31):
that we're not in trouble, we'renot doing anything wrong.
And so at the end of the day,what I felt like we were
supposed to do, because youknow, we did receive a couple
offerings, and then we obviouslyhad money in the bank from the
work that we were doing, alittle x excess of I think um
two or three hundred thousanddollars.
And that was gonna help us fundthe next event.

(01:24:53):
And so what we decided to do washelp send bodies back.
Because that, you know, what doyou do with the bodies and the
cost?
These a lot of these familiesare poor, they don't have the
money.
So we just set a budget.
If you lived um outside of themain island, we're gonna give
you a set amount of money toship or fly the body back.

(01:25:18):
And then I made anothercommitment.
I said, God, I'm gonna go on aquest for the next year and
three months, all of my timeleft here in the Philippines.
I'm gonna go visit every singlefamily that died.
And we're gonna give them all aset amount of money.
Depending on where they live, ifthey were to live far away,

(01:25:38):
which uh I think there were 20something that lived far away,
we had to give them a little bitmore money.
So we gave them all a set amountof money just to say, we're
sorry, and here's to help withyour funeral arrangements and
things.
And it came to millions ofpesos, which that seems like a
lot of money, but uh you know,it's three or four hundred
thousand dollars that we gave itdivided among 88 families.

(01:26:02):
And so I was on a quest.
Um, I I bought an SUV about ayear prior to that, uh, or six
months prior to that, and my jobwith Pastor Faith and one other
person, our job was to traveland visit every family and offer
condolences for a year and threemonths.

(01:26:23):
That was a lot of traveling, uh,and we did most of it by car.
Um did some of it by plane, uh,and I got to 86.
I didn't get to 88 and you knowuh why do I tell that story?

(01:26:45):
Well, because my son was, youknow, he was a newborn, I had to
leave him.
And I told my wife what I had todo.
And my son don't even reallyknow this story, I've never told
it.

(01:27:05):
But I felt like I had to leavemy family for that that year and
three months.
You know, I was married, newwife, new baby, and but I felt
like it was something I had todo.
But my wife, she understood.
And what I learned through allthat is how can you get through

(01:27:31):
tragedy in such a major capac soprofound?
How do you how do you deal withthat?
I didn't know what to do, man.
I didn't.
But I learned a lot about life,about people, about culture, and

(01:27:52):
about me.
I mean that first 24 hours, man,when when it happened, I was
like, I was in shock.
What do I do?
I've never been in charge of 88people dying.
But they're all looking at me.
What does Tim Clovers do?

(01:28:12):
I rose up, I figured it out, Imade it happen, and um, so you
you go from that moment in 2002,I go back to America with my
wife and my newborn son, andfrom 2002 to 2006, I I continue

(01:28:33):
to travel the world, uh, EastAsia, Africa, Central America,
South America, setting upconferences.
So I go on average three to fourto five times to a country, set
up these conferences.
That's what I did.
And then in 2006, you know, Ihad that conversation with
myself and my dad that I can'ttravel much anymore.
And my daughter was born in2008, and then I become more of

(01:28:56):
a full-time assistant pastor atmy dad's church.
He's building this big building,it's stressing him out.
He almost dies through it.
And then, you know, we've we'vetalked about me taking over the
church, but that never reallymanifested.
Um, and then I'm having marriagestruggles because my wife can't
adapt to the culture in Americaas a Filipino, and she just

(01:29:16):
struggled.
So in 2010, uh, we built upabout a year before this.
So in 2009, I told my dad, it'stime for I need to move.
I I need to move, I need to getout of Dallas and I need to
fulfill a desire.
Right or wrong, I felt like itwas the right move for me.

(01:29:37):
So I we I talked a year inadvance in 2010.
We're gonna move to Seattle,Washington.
We're gonna take our time, we'regonna set up a church or plan a
church eventually.
And so we, you know, we setplanned it 2000, 2010.
We get there, and within threemonths, my wife starts having
mental health issues.
And then you fast forward to2012, she wants a divorce, I'll

(01:30:00):
Hell breaks loose.
I never got to plant the church.
I did go to college for twoyears.
So I moved back home in you know2012 and back to Texas.
I'm there for a couple years.
Obviously in 2014, I told thestory of how I met my wife and
then moved to Knoxville.
And we started working together.

(01:30:27):
And it was an adjustment atfirst because she couldn't fully
trust me.
But then again, she decidedafter a few months I'm gonna
give you the reins.
Man, I took it and ran with itbecause it it was a it was still
a new catering company andvenue.

(01:30:47):
But man, I took the reins andran with the food.
And you know, a few people wehad to work with, and then I I
you and I did have a gift forthe hiring and the firing.
That was my job.
That was what I was good at.
So we ended up doing a great joband working together, building
that venue.
And then the the thing that Ipoint to, why I bring up that

(01:31:09):
and also the the Philippinestragedy.
So that was in 2001.
It was so many unknowns of howdo you do that?
How do you deal with it?
Well, I was able to do it withGod's grace.
And then in the cateringbusiness, you know, my wife and
I got to a point in 2016, man,we can do anything.

(01:31:31):
We can serve 200 Africans, anative meal that they're used to
for their event, to aquincineta, to uh an Indian
event.
We just we pulled it off to uhserving uh ceviche to people
from the uh uh Puerto Rico,Puerto Rican event.

(01:31:53):
And you know, something that thereason getting back to the
Philippines thing of why why didI bring that up and go to the
detail is because we wereapproached so many times.
We developed a great brand, agreat word of mouth.
And that venue, it may not bethe nicest venue, but man,

(01:32:14):
they'll serve you well, and youwill taste incredible food for
the price.
And so my wife and I developed areally good knack of working
together and accomplishing somegreat things together in that
business.
And culminating the experiencethat I had with the fire of 88

(01:32:36):
people, and what I went through,what I learned is you know, you
fast forward to 2016, my wifeand I are crushing it, we're
working well together.
We got approached by justdifferent people, different
organizations of the event thatthey wanted to do.

(01:32:57):
And they said, Yeah, we can doit.
My wife and I, we were like,Yeah, we can do it.
You know, off camera, we werelike, if if the if the audience
was the camera, we're like, wehave no clue how to make this.
We have no clue how we're gonnaput this many people together
and how we're gonna pull thisoff.
But our response was we can doit.

(01:33:21):
We can do it.
And we did it.
We pulled it off uh on timeafter time after time.
And it's the same thing eversince I've been married to my
wife, man.
She's an incredible partner.
And in uh to hit on anotherstory that just signifies the
the work of the gospel is in2017, I my job was to primarily

(01:33:47):
get there really early in theday because I was the I was the
chef, I was the back of thehouse guy, and I would get there
really early, usually by six ona Saturday, and we've got a
wedding or whatever the bigevent is, it would start by five
or six or seven, depending onit.
And so this one was a wedding,and so the ceremony occurred at

(01:34:09):
3:30, then you've got horsd'oeuvres for an hour, then they
eat at like six, something likethat.
And so we got through the thefeeding and it was like 7:15,
7:30.
It was it was towards the end ofsummer, and we, you know, we fed
140 people or so, prepared for190 or 200 and had a lot of food
in the warming cabinet.

(01:34:30):
And so my wife's pushed me,you've been here since six
o'clock, it's 7:30, go home.
I didn't get here till almost11.
That was a common occurrence.
I would just, I would just worka really long time because it
was just my nature, and sofinally she pushed me out and
said, Go, you and Caitlin gohome because my daughter was
very young still at that time.
And so she we didn't want her tostay at home by herself, and so

(01:34:51):
she always just came to workwith her.
And so you take Caitlin, y'allgo home, y'all hang out
together.
And so I'm like, okay.
So I look at the warmingcabinet, there's all this food
enough to feed 60, 70 people.
And so I look at my daughter,and I'm temporarily driving my

(01:35:12):
oldest daughter's 1996 Corollawith 200,000 miles.
And so I'm like, Caitlin, youwant to go under the bridge?
Yeah, dad, I guess.
So we load up that food withjust aluminum pans, napkins, and
plates, and a little table.
So we drive down under thebridge with these aluminum pans

(01:35:35):
full of leftover food that wascooked fresh, mind you, just
several hours before.
And so out of the trunk of alittle Toyota Corolla, Juniper
Worldwide was born.
And me and my little uh12-year-old daughter um fed 70
people without forks or spoons.

(01:35:56):
Um, and then, you know, that'swhere Juniper Worldwide was
born, and we started serving uhpeople under the bridge.
And since 2017, uh we've onlymissed one Friday.
So we made a determination tofeed on Fridays because churches
sometimes fill the gaps onSunday, Mondays, but during the
week they don't get food.
And so we just made adetermination we're gonna do

(01:36:18):
Fridays.
And since 2017, when we starteddoing that, we haven't missed
but one Friday, and that wasonly because it was three
degrees on a Friday.
So you fast forward, COVIDhappens, and um a year before
COVID, we started a Bible studyin our house just because I knew
something was stirring in mywife and I that maybe eventually

(01:36:39):
we're gonna plant another churchor plant a church or or
something.
So we've I feel led to start aBible study with my my two boys
and their and some of theirfriends, and so we had about six
people show up.
And so I just started cooking.
You know, I just love to cook,and uh and then COVID happens,
the venue shuts down, uh, ourpartnership with the doctor that

(01:37:03):
that ends, and so we took sixmonths off, and we're still
continuing with this Biblestudy.
Uh I buy a big smoker, I startselling um beef, pork, chicken
out of my driveway.
We post it on Facebook and andwe're running a Bible study, and
then after a year and threemonths, we feel led because it's
grown to like 19 boys come intoour house every Tuesday night

(01:37:25):
and I'm feeding them.
Then my wife is well, let me dosomething for the girls.
So we we start uh a boy and agirl Bible study where we all
eat together, and there's like25, you know, got up to close to
30 people, I think.
And then the boys would godownstairs, the girls would stay
upstairs, I would do the men,she would do the girls.

(01:37:45):
And we're a year and a half, twoyears into that.
And then so a couple of the kidsfrom the Bible study, my
youngest son and my oldest son,they said, Dad, Mr.
Clovers, why don't you get onTikTok?
And I'm thinking to myself, whywould I get on a social media
page and shake my booty?
Because I didn't know how socialmedia had evolved.

(01:38:08):
And so I like at their advice,I'm like, I get on there and
start making some videos notknowing what the heck I'm doing.
And then my my daughter's justfilming with her iPhone, with my
iPhone, and then all of asudden, out of nowhere, I figure
out what I'm doing, and then itstarts to take off.

(01:38:29):
And by this time, you know,we're two and a half years into
the Bible study, or almost threeyears into the Bible study, and
the social media in six months,it's starting to take off and do
well.
And then I'm like, we started acatering company.
We're doing this Bible study,I'm doing social media, my
catering business is starting toblow up because word of mouth,

(01:38:51):
hey Tim and Jackie are back atit again.
Oh, we want their food, we wanttheir service, you know?
And so you fast forward, mysocial media starts taking off,
just doing really well.
I'm up to close to a millionfollowers on like a couple
different social pages, makingthese food recipes.
Uh, it's fun.
I love the camera.

(01:39:12):
And then in 2022, I closed mycatering business because my
social media business isstarting to blow up and do so
well.
And then I felt led by the Lord.
My wife and I went toCalifornia, got trained of how
to become pastors.
We just knew.
You know, I heard.

(01:39:32):
And so we launched a churchlater that year.
Um, and church didn't go the waythat we thought.
Uh, a lot of heartache, a lot oftrials that were challenging.
Um, and then you know, you fastforward to January of this year.
We were at a crossroads.
You know, we're almost threeyears into being pastors, and

(01:39:55):
it's not where we thought itwould be.
A lot of pain, a lot of turmoil,but a lot of lives were touched.
A lot of lives were changed andtransformed because of that
church.
And I met with my pastor on aregular basis, and I just kept
telling him our struggles.
Um, and he goes, Well, Tim,because we would have

(01:40:16):
conversations about my socialmedia business.
And he goes, Tim, I had a mentorof mine share a number of years
ago with me.
What's God blessing in yourlife?
And since that time, he saidthat to me.

(01:40:36):
This is my pastor's uh uh pointof reference talking or him
talking to me, and what I'msaying is, what is God blessing?
And so he always said tohimself, I'm gonna follow the
blessing of what God's blessingin my life.
And in January of this year, Godwas blessing my social media

(01:41:00):
business.
And he still is.
Um and is the church is itreally blessing people right
now?
No, it's not really blessingpeople right now.
Um is it touching people?
I'm su it it did, but currentlyit's it's not what it should be.

(01:41:24):
I'm we are not equipped rightnow to to be pastors any longer.
That's what we felt.
So we took a trip down to CostaRica with some missionary
mentors of ours, and theybasically said the same thing.
And so it was kind of likeconfirmation.
Let's just close the church.
It hurt painfully, just as sameas if uh a death of a child.

(01:41:46):
It was that painful.
But God was really blessing mysocial media, and I know the
church, I knew this, I knew thiswithout a shadow of a doubt.
In 2024, the church needed me,but I couldn't give them me the
way that they needed me.
They needed, they needed TimClowers about 35 to 40 hours a

(01:42:07):
week, but I could I justcouldn't give them that.
My social media, uh, I wasworking 50 hours a week, and
then I was a pastor for 25 hoursa week.
And I was trying to be ahusband, I was trying to be a
present father still, and I was85 hours a week, and I was
mentally breaking down, I wasphysically breaking down.

(01:42:29):
And my wife, like towards theend of 2024, she goes, You're
always sick, your body's givenup.
Do we have to put it on abillboard?
You can't keep this up, and sowe closed the church in January
of this year, and that washeartbreaking.

(01:42:50):
And she I didn't let it outemotionally as much as her, but
I hurt just as bad as she didbecause of the investment we
made into people's lives.
And six months she was in pain.
But I will say this where we aretoday, over three million

(01:43:10):
followers on my social mediapages, and I give all the glory
to God.
And financially, this has beenone of the best years that we've
ever seen in our lives, and Igive all glory to God for that.
And here I am today in yourstudio, and I reflect back upon
the moments in my life of thedifferent stories that I've

(01:43:35):
told.
I know that we've gone way over,golly.

SPEAKER_08 (01:43:38):
You're good, man.
You're good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:43:40):
You said 30 minutes to an hour, sometimes longer.
And I'm very sorry, and I hopeI've had a profound impact by
some of the things that I'vesaid to our audience.
And there's been, as I told youon the phone yesterday, every
five to ten years, there'salways been an impactful event
that has changed the course ofthe direction.

(01:44:04):
And January was one of thosemoments of we had to close a
church and a chapter in ourlife.
And my social media continued togrow and it's been blessed.
I've got a full-time employee.
My wife recently quit her joband she's on the team.
And I've got some subcontractorsthat do things for us as well.

(01:44:28):
And, you know, I remember aprophecy that I got back in um
2015 from a pastor where we weregoing to church.
We were friends for a long,long, long time.
We were friends for 35 years, meand this pastor.
But he walked away, he walkedout of our lives, and that was
his choice.
I still love him, but uh, I'mnot mad at him, but that was

(01:44:52):
painful to see just because wewe felt led to go plant a
church.
Um he felt different about that,and so it ended a relationship.
Um that that was painful, thatwas hurtful, but he prophesied
over me.
Um and it was about 10 yearsago, 2015.

(01:45:15):
He goes, God's called you to bean orator for his word, for him.
And he said, You're gonna speakto thousands.
Okay, and I I I don't know ifyou've ever been prophesied
over, but for me, I I tend toput those things in my pocket

(01:45:37):
and just give them back to God.
Um and so I'm like, okay, well,he said I'm gonna be an orator
and I'm gonna speak tothousands.

unknown (01:45:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45:46):
Well, you fast forward to where we are today,
God has given me a voice, youknow, through social media.
I don't always stand up on or orwhen you pull up your phone or
your pad or your television, youknow, there's not always gonna
be millions watching me at anyone moment, but there might be
hundreds or thousands orhundreds of thousands or

(01:46:06):
millions watching me on a video,depending if it goes mega viral.
And uh it's funny.
I've had videos recently go megaviral uh with millions and
millions and millions andmillions of views, and I didn't
get to preach the gospel, but itled them to somebody who does

(01:46:29):
believe in a God, and they knowthat about me.
And um, so we'll finish with onelittle story, and you're gonna
ask me a question, and I thoughtabout that question.
I got hired to go to a barbecueevent in September in Temple,

(01:46:51):
Texas, and I felt like I waskind of lost.
What am I doing here at thisevent?
You know, I got hired to come.
They they paid my expenses tocome and then paid me a fair,
fair rate to come.
And I didn't know what why am Ihere?
You know, you got all thesebarbecue pit masters cooking and
presenting samples, and I justdid a little class the next

(01:47:11):
morning, you know, and walkedaround and I just felt kind of
like, why am I here?
You know, I really didn't knowwhy I was there.
Um, so I felt like I wassupposed to go.
And then later that night on theday of the event, I got
introduced to a gentleman whoorganizes events.

(01:47:35):
So, like when you go todifferent barbecue and country
music festivals, there's usuallytwo to three organizations that
come together to pull off thatvent.
One handles logistics,marketing, and such and such.
And the other handles theorganizational logistics of you
know, making sure these peopleare here, they're doing that,

(01:47:57):
the stage is coming.
Um, but the other they cometogether.
And so I met the one guy thatthat hired me, that got me
there, then then at the event, Imet the other guy who belongs to
one group, and he met me.
He goes, Oh, so you're Tim.
Okay, yeah.
And Andy was telling me allabout you.
Um then he learned a little bitmore about me, and then he

(01:48:19):
started asking questions.
I'm like, What?
You do what?
You have what kind of afollowing?
And I'm like, Yeah, I mean, Ilove it.
It's great.
Like, would you be interested incoming to another event in
Brownwood?
Brownwood, Texas?
I'd like, sure, yeah.
Let me know.
Let's talk more.
So I get hired to come threeweeks later to an event in

(01:48:40):
Brownwood, Texas.
It's the same thing.
It's a it's a country music andbarbecue festival.
And I'm not cooking.
That's what I do, man.
Isn't that amazing?
They hired me to be the MC.
And I'm just like, wait, I getto walk around and taste

(01:49:04):
barbecue and talk to everybodyand be kind of a face of this
event.
I get on stage and I talk aboutall the different vendors and
you know, mention what they did.
They helped their sponsors, theydid this, and they did that.
And then I get to go back andmeet the country music stars and

(01:49:24):
bands and introduce them.
That's what I got to do.

SPEAKER_06 (01:49:29):
It's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:30):
And like what I like I had a little routine, and uh
so there was uh they had a stageleft where they had local bands
play in the interim of waitingon other main bands to come to
the main stage, which you know,it's like right there, it's just
stage left kind of.
And those were the local bands,you know, with uh newer guys and

(01:49:51):
gals.
And so I remember that was thethird band.
It was a a young man in a band.
Uh, he he was from the Temple,Texas area.
This is Brownwood, Texas.
And we had a sh I went over andintroduced myself.
Hey, my name is Tim.
I'm a social media guy.
I just want to introduce myselfand say I'll be introducing you

(01:50:12):
at this time, and then you'lltake stage and do what you do,
man.
And for some reason, whatever, Ihave no idea why.
I asked him a question and itled into another question.
And he turns out he was raisedin Eastern Europe, Europe, and
his family are missionaries.
Wow.
It's still missionaries to thisday, but he left when he was 18

(01:50:35):
to fulfill his dream, that is tobe a country music star.
And so he's two and a halfyears, three years, I think he
was 21.
And so I'm like, dude, let mepray for you.
So I grabbed his hand and Iprayed for him right there.
And people are watching, and I'mpraying for this dude.
Because, you know, there'sanother artist on the other main
stage, and you've got you know,several hundred people looking

(01:50:56):
at you, eyeballs on you, and I'mpraying with this kid.
And so I go back to the mainstage, the other country music
star just finished, and I go,Well, is everybody enjoying?
You know, we got severalthousand people by this time at
the event.
And I'm like, man, I hope you'rehaving a good time.
But if you'll pay attention,stage left to me.
I'm gonna introduce so this iswho's gonna be coming up next.

(01:51:19):
You know, he's been amissionary, we just got to pray
together.
And if you don't know me,obviously you know that I follow
God.
I love God.
And I'm like saying this onstage.
I'm like, the organizer didn'tsay a word to me.
So I introduce him, and wethroughout the whole day, I'm
introducing people, I sprinklein the gospel a little bit here

(01:51:41):
and there, and then at the endof this event, I um uh not the
end of it, but around 7:30, uh,there's this guy that I
introduced, uh, and I got tomeet him backstage beforehand.
And I we took a picture, um, andhe he's from Texas, born and
bred.
And I go out and I'm just liketalking to the crowd.

(01:52:04):
I mean, the place is packed.
There's six, seven, eightthousand people.
I don't know, there's a it's asea of people, you know.
You look way back, and like,ladies and gentlemen, I want you
to stand to your feet.
If y'all had a good time, if youhad some good barbecue, I mean,
I'm hype in the crowd.
I am just rich with enthusiasm,you know.
And I get everybody to stand upand I said, ladies and

(01:52:27):
gentlemen, I want you to give itup and give them your best as we
welcome the next artist to thestage.
And I'm just building on it, youknow.
And I said, put your handstogether, give me the loudest
scream that you can, and welcomeso-and-so to the stage.
And they are going nuts.

(01:52:48):
And I turn around, walking offthe stage to my right, and there
he is, you know, the countrystar, and he's like waving me
over.
He goes, dude, I've sang at alot of venues and done this for
a long time in my life, but I'venever had such a great

(01:53:10):
introduction.
I hope I can live up to that.
That's awesome.
And then the reason I say thatis my wife reminded me of that
prophecy that that pastor gaveme 10 years ago.
It says, You will speak tothousands.

SPEAKER_06 (01:53:25):
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:53:26):
And and if you rewind back at 12 o'clock of
that day, I had introduced uh myfirst country music star.
I think it started at 11:45.
And at 12 o'clock, I FaceTimedmy wife, got a further away as
much as possible from the stageso that I could hear my wife and

(01:53:47):
so she could see me clearly.
And I I I FaceTimed her and Isaid, Honey, I said, I feel so
humbled to be here.
Like there's gonna be thousandsand thousands of people here by

(01:54:08):
the end of the night, by thetime night gets here.
I'm gonna be on that stageappointed to it.
And I'm gonna be on stage, andI'm gonna be the voice of this
event.
Who are they gonna remember themost?
Whether me, the country musicstar, I don't know.
I don't really care if theyremember me or not.
But God put me on a stage infront of thousands of people,

(01:54:31):
and I was just crying to her,and I said, I feel so humbled to
be here that God would allow me,this little country boy, really
at heart, um, to be on thatstage, and I just cried like a
daggone baby.

SPEAKER_07 (01:54:50):
That's amazing.
Amazing story.
All right.
Last question If you could siton a park bench and have a
conversation with someone livingor deceased, who would it be and
why?

SPEAKER_02 (01:55:03):
I've thought about that.
And there's I've thought aboutentrepreneurs, I've thought
about different people that Iknow and have met over the
course of my life.
I've thought about powerfulpeople who've changed the world.
But I go back to two people.
It was John Osteen.

(01:55:25):
He was always on the televisionwhen I was an addict.
He was always preaching thegospel.
And I got to meet him one day.
He's one of my real life heroes.
And then I thought about MotherTeresa.
And if you don't know about herstory, uh, I would look her up.

(01:55:47):
So I was I'm torn.
Is it would it be, would I wouldI talk to Mother Teresa or would
I talk to Jo John Osteen?
Because that was a hard one forme.
And I'm still tossing in my mindwho who would I talk to.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56:07):
Well, you're doing a lot of Mother Teresa's work.

SPEAKER_02 (01:56:11):
And so I I think this morning it's really because
I I told my wife, I was like, itwould probably be Mother Teresa.
And the reason why, and not oneof my heroes in John Osteen, is
because she was actually awell-to-do woman.
I mean, she wasn't mega wealthyor anything, but she left, she

(01:56:32):
lived in the Baltic States area.
That's where she lived.
Uh, but she didn't come out ofpoverty, but she left her her
country to go serve humanity.
And I know why she did it.
That's not what I would ask her.
Um, but if we sat on a parkbench and we had a conversation,

(01:56:59):
I would say, Mother Teresa, youleft everything to serve the
poor people of that nation bethe less fortunate.
It's like, I I know why you didit.
But I would ask her.
I would ask her two things.
I'm like, are there any regretsthat you have while you were

(01:57:23):
there of things either youdidn't do or things you could
have done different?
And then what I would I wouldask her, what was your greatest
achievement?
Not monetarily, not like bigcrowds not being seen on

(01:57:48):
television or being written upin an article.
But what was your greatest thingthat you saw happen in your
lifetime while you were there?
And I would love to hear heranswer on that one, because it's
easy to sit up here for me totell everybody that, yeah, he
got to go to a country musicfestival and pronounce, you

(01:58:12):
know, or introduce all thesecountry music stars and sprinkle
in a little bit of the gospel to8,000 people because that was
part of a prophecy beingfulfilled.
Yeah, I mean, that was that wasamazing.
I cried, it was emotional, itwas it was powerful.
But I go back to what I told youthis morning when I walked
through those doors.
What's impacted me?

(01:58:33):
It's stuff that's not on camera,it's stuff that's not written in
papers.
It's it's it'll never be readabout in the New York Times,
it'll never be published on asocial media page, it'll never
be seen on the local news ornational news about my Aunt Kim.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:50):
And that's what I'd like to know about Mother
Teresa.
One of the things I don'tnobody'll ever know that it's
inside of you.

SPEAKER_07 (01:59:02):
That's powerful, man.
It's a powerful story.
You got anything?

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:07):
No, I just love it.
Ultimate story redemption, youknow.

SPEAKER_07 (01:59:11):
It is.
You you have been through itall.
And uh, and what I love is isthat you you just you know, you
don't give up that faith.
And uh, you know, you were lost,but then you know, you you
recognize that God was besideyou the whole time, even when
you were lost.

SPEAKER_02 (01:59:29):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 (01:59:30):
And and then the power of forgiveness, you know,
how how that played such a bigpart in your life.
And uh, you know, I'm excited tosee where you where you go with
with everything that you've gotgoing on.
So for those that want to learnmore about you, talk about where
they can find you your socialmedia website, all those good
things.

SPEAKER_02 (01:59:48):
My website is cookitwithtim.com.
And you can find me onInstagram, TikTok, Facebook,
YouTube.
Uh there's even a couple otherplatforms that I'm on to.
It's called Lemonate.
Threads.
Obviously, the easiest way tofind me is cookitwithim.com.
That's that's really the easiestway.

(02:00:08):
I publish food recipes on mywebsite.
It's a blog style of recipe uhwebsite.
Uh we send out weekly uh emailnewsletters.
I publish three to four newvideos per week, food recipe
videos.
Sometimes I'll I'll get on mysocial media pages, whether it's
whether it's an Instagram story,a TikTok story, a Facebook
story, and I will I will sharesimple gospel truths.

(02:00:31):
I'll post scriptures, differentthings along that lines.
And uh but I also admit my myweaknesses.
I I'm not perfect.
And I was talking to aninfluencer who we've become
friends with.
He lives in Oklahoma, and I wason the phone with him yesterday.
We were getting off the phoneand I said, Danny, look, dude, I
know you know we've been friendson socials for a couple years,

(02:00:53):
but uh, you know, in the recentmonths we've become friends by
phone and we met last week at aat a barbecue event.
I said, Look, dude, if we everneed anything, seriously, I'm an
open book.
If you need information, I'mhere to help.
I can't just seriously, if youwant to vent, vent, call me and
vent.
But I will say, dude, I I'm notthe perfect friend.
I'm not the perfect creator.

(02:01:14):
I say stuff I shouldn't say, Ido stuff I shouldn't do.
But you know what?
I I said I love God.
And that same guy, I met him forthe first time a week ago
Saturday at a big barbecue eventdown in Southwest Texas, and he
was standing there and I gottameet him for the first time, and

(02:01:34):
we talked, like, dude, what'sup, man?
Then this other guy walks overwho I've known and met numerous
times, and we had sort of afalling out about four years
ago, which I I made things rightwith him, and we we've been in
in good standing since then.
Um and then he walks over in inour conversation uh and starts

(02:01:57):
talking to him.
So we didn't really get tofinish our conversation, me and
Danny.
That's why I called him.
We recently finished, and so hestarts telling me, you know, he
and this guy, Danny, well, he'sgetting ready to consider moving
to Texas.
His daughter is, you know, is inhigh school.
I got two in Houston, yada yadayada.
They're consider to consideringall the options and when and
how, all these variables, hisbusiness.

(02:02:19):
I'm listening for about three orfour minutes, and so Mike, here,
let me pray for you.
Danny, put your hand on hisshoulder.
I didn't give him an option, Ididn't ask him.
I just prayed for him rightthere.

SPEAKER_06 (02:02:34):
That's awesome.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:37):
All right.
Cook cookitwithtim.com.
All the socials.
Check him out, man.
Thank you for coming up.

SPEAKER_02 (02:02:47):
Thank y'all for having me on the show.
I really appreciate it.
Really, yeah.
And I I'm truly humbled to to behere.
Um I I am uh I am not a perfecthuman.
I make mistakes, I say stuff Ishouldn't, do things I shouldn't
do at times.
Never immoral or horriblethings, nothing like that.
But just you know, how you stickyour foot in your mouth.
Why did I say that stupidly?

(02:03:07):
Uh but I I just do want toexpress gratitude to God and and
hopefully I've come across as asa humble servant of Christ
today.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Ultimately, what I wanted toconvey is I'm no better than you
guys.
I'm not.
I'm just a I'm just a guy that'sbeen through hell and back, and
other people have been throughworse than me.
And I always try to remindmyself, people have had a harder

(02:03:30):
life than you.
They have.
And I'm just I'm humbled andthankful.

SPEAKER_07 (02:03:34):
Well, we thank you for sharing.
We wish you safe travels backhome.
Thank you.
Excited to see uh, you know,what's next for you on your
journey and your wife helpingyou and all those good things.
And uh, so yeah.
All right, everybody, be sure tolike and share and do all those
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And go out and be tempered.

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